This guy has his stuff together.Short on meaningless rehtoric and long
on reasoned observations.His arguements are dope
Posted by headed on Jul 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM
Yeah, I agree with this Brociner guy. We can’t even really understand the full scope of our convictions unless we understand and respect those of our idealogical opponents.
As much as I love good old-fashion delineations between good and evil, we must resist the tendency to villify the current administration. Because lets face it, they may be short-sighted, and religous-opportunists, but they are not driven by pure desire to cause pain and suffering in our country and around the world.
Posted by Crystalline on Jul 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Face it, the Bush Administration wasn’t the only presidential team to use imperialism as its’ foreign policy. Presidents both Republican and Democratic have invaded countries out of ideology that the U.S. knows better than the countries they invaded.
From Hawaii at the end of the 19th century to Iraq, places in the world have been subjected to the thoughts of American “exceptionalism” from presidents. This superiority complex became firmly established not long after WWII, but traces to the beginning of the 20th century and every president since brought that attitude to the Oval Office. Of course Bush Jr. was just another in this long line, why should any of us be surprised.
It’s now officially part of the requisite to be president, to consider themselves deserving to be “the most important person leading the most important nation in the world.” Without that attitude a person won’t even win the presidency. It’s that military superiority that all presidents know is their diplomatic hammer, and they use it. I suppose the term “warmonger” is nothing but trying to distinguish one user of military power from another, when all it really is, is degrees of difference. So why bother accusing the latest president (Bush Jr.) as being a warmonger when he’s just another in the long line.
And why bother calling McCain a warmonger when Obama if he wins will also take office with that virtually inherited attitude of being the “most powerful person leading the most powerful nation” with a military industrial complex at his disposal. To somehow believe he won’t use it in some fashion, either as a threat or as an actual tool, would be living in a fantasy world. Some term describing a president as a warmonger is limiting and inaccurate because the threat of military action is as much a part of warmongering as taking action. So put away the term warmongering, it really isn’t useful as presidents all have a touch of it in them, it’s part of the job these days.
Posted by Jon B on Jul 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Thank you, I’m printing this and hanging it up where I can see it every time I’m reading about MSM Obama smears and Bush’s and McCain’s outrageousness.
It’s been really hard to change my communication patterns - generally intimidating and judgmental. I’ve been so, so much more effective when I curb those tendencies and actually try to understand where opponents are coming from, ideologically or information-wise.
My best technique so far for chillin’ the rhetoric: I have both of Obama’s books on audio book on my iTunes. I listen to his quiet, reasoned and reasonable determination to make change take root by bringing people together, and I tune in to my own desire to stop the Right from driving so many wedges between people who have more in common than we have differences.
It works - I even curse less in private!
Posted by Inaru on Jul 14, 2008 at 4:12 AM
FInally! A sensible, reasonable article on a progressive website. There’s a whole new generation of progressives that has been hungry for exactly this kind of thinking. We’re fed up with the America-bashing, we’re fed up with the personal attacks, and we’re fed up with the dogma. We can see that it’s gotten progressives nowhere except marginalized. We want positive thinking and real results, not endless whining and defeatist attitudes.
Thank you, Ken Brociner, and thank you, In These Times. This truly is refreshing stuff.
Posted by marcello09 on Jul 14, 2008 at 7:18 AM
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This guy has his stuff together.Short on meaningless rehtoric and long
on reasoned observations.His arguements are dope
Posted by headed on Jul 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM
Yeah, I agree with this Brociner guy. We can’t even really understand the full scope of our convictions unless we understand and respect those of our idealogical opponents.
As much as I love good old-fashion delineations between good and evil, we must resist the tendency to villify the current administration. Because lets face it, they may be short-sighted, and religous-opportunists, but they are not driven by pure desire to cause pain and suffering in our country and around the world.
Posted by Crystalline on Jul 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Face it, the Bush Administration wasn’t the only presidential team to use imperialism as its’ foreign policy. Presidents both Republican and Democratic have invaded countries out of ideology that the U.S. knows better than the countries they invaded.
From Hawaii at the end of the 19th century to Iraq, places in the world have been subjected to the thoughts of American “exceptionalism” from presidents. This superiority complex became firmly established not long after WWII, but traces to the beginning of the 20th century and every president since brought that attitude to the Oval Office. Of course Bush Jr. was just another in this long line, why should any of us be surprised.
It’s now officially part of the requisite to be president, to consider themselves deserving to be “the most important person leading the most important nation in the world.” Without that attitude a person won’t even win the presidency. It’s that military superiority that all presidents know is their diplomatic hammer, and they use it. I suppose the term “warmonger” is nothing but trying to distinguish one user of military power from another, when all it really is, is degrees of difference. So why bother accusing the latest president (Bush Jr.) as being a warmonger when he’s just another in the long line.
And why bother calling McCain a warmonger when Obama if he wins will also take office with that virtually inherited attitude of being the “most powerful person leading the most powerful nation” with a military industrial complex at his disposal. To somehow believe he won’t use it in some fashion, either as a threat or as an actual tool, would be living in a fantasy world. Some term describing a president as a warmonger is limiting and inaccurate because the threat of military action is as much a part of warmongering as taking action. So put away the term warmongering, it really isn’t useful as presidents all have a touch of it in them, it’s part of the job these days.
Posted by Jon B on Jul 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Thank you, I’m printing this and hanging it up where I can see it every time I’m reading about MSM Obama smears and Bush’s and McCain’s outrageousness.
It’s been really hard to change my communication patterns - generally intimidating and judgmental. I’ve been so, so much more effective when I curb those tendencies and actually try to understand where opponents are coming from, ideologically or information-wise.
My best technique so far for chillin’ the rhetoric: I have both of Obama’s books on audio book on my iTunes. I listen to his quiet, reasoned and reasonable determination to make change take root by bringing people together, and I tune in to my own desire to stop the Right from driving so many wedges between people who have more in common than we have differences.
It works - I even curse less in private!
Posted by Inaru on Jul 14, 2008 at 4:12 AM
FInally! A sensible, reasonable article on a progressive website. There’s a whole new generation of progressives that has been hungry for exactly this kind of thinking. We’re fed up with the America-bashing, we’re fed up with the personal attacks, and we’re fed up with the dogma. We can see that it’s gotten progressives nowhere except marginalized. We want positive thinking and real results, not endless whining and defeatist attitudes.
Thank you, Ken Brociner, and thank you, In These Times. This truly is refreshing stuff.
Posted by marcello09 on Jul 14, 2008 at 7:18 AM