President George W. Bush has claimed that that God speaks to him. More worldly voices, it now appears, may also be speaking to him at key moments. Viewers and journalists watching Bush in his first debate with Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have commented on his odd behavior in Miami. To some he seemed peevish and antsy-almost wired. Now there is… return to article
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Reader Comments (230)It zounds az eef Mr. Vitey hazz vorgotten do dake heez meds… Ms. Whitey, vood you bleeze give your liddle poy heez medz ant but him doo bed. Zenk yoo
Posted by Dr. Freud on Oct 14, 2004 at 2:51 PM Oh Whitey, whitey, wonderbread whitey…canada is a third world country? That’s a lark. It’s a Funny thing listening to your dear silly president prattle on about how government intervention in health care would ruin it. Up here in “third world canada” we’ve had government run healthcare for quite some time and it seems to work just fine.
Funny thing, if you get sick you don’t also go broke…seems pretty “compassionate” to me.the tired old trope of “tax and spend liberal” just doesn’t cut it anymore…get a new insult, you and your ilk are dinosaurs…get used to it, your time in the sun is over.
HA!
Posted by neil on Oct 14, 2004 at 3:31 PM Once again I listened to the post debate punditry, I even tolerated Anne Coulter for a minute or two. There was no surprize; the conservative types thought Bush did what he had to do for his base (answer no questions) and pointed out the suspect voting record of the senator and in doing that Bush showed that (oh, no!) Kerry is a “liberal”.
Kerry answered the questions more directly and forcefully and continued to show he has more of a command of the issues and what we face than the president.
David Brooks on PBS said it’s going to come down to likability and Brooks of course claims the president will win for that reason. (you have got to be kidding!!!)
How can you like somebody that smiles at you while they’re creating policies to ruin your life, your children’s lives, effect the lives of future of generations and shows no respect for working men & women..
I consider myself a fair judge of character and I’m hardly persuaded by the down home persona that Bush plays to the hilt - even to draw attention to occasional mangling of the language. And this is supposed to help him get our votes to be president? ( I think Brooks misreads Bush’s
appeal, in fact I think the entire collection of Republican talking heads misunderstands that it’s his lack of appeal to the majority of voters that will come through on election day.)
I say - send him back to Texas to clear brush on his ranch where his slash and burn mentality will be the most effective..
Posted by bushwhacker on Oct 14, 2004 at 4:03 PM Amen to what Bushwacker said. Anyone who’s married to a teacher, who has failed to teach him the difference between nuclear and nukyalar isn’t fit to lead this country into war. He and his cronies are the direct beneficiaries of the travesty in Iraq, and I ain’t buying that dimestore cowboy persona either. He just appears to be dumb, and even dumber if he thinks we’re believing it.
Posted by Shirley on Oct 14, 2004 at 4:46 PM The president is treating the American people the same as our allies. If you don’t approve of his way of
dealing with health care, the economy, education, and terrorism then your wrong, liberal and unpatriotic.
The man that said that he was a “uniter” has been decisively a divider and our country is more polarized now than at anytime in our history. Rather than take any blame himself he points to the congress which is dominated by his own party. He doesn’t know how to lead, if he did he would have gotten the assault weapons ban passed recently - that the majority of the country was in favor of! (Bush is not like Clinton who fought for what he wanted and won!)
The president may claim, and the campaign talking heads hope we agree that this president is stronger on terrorism - has got to be as delusional as the terrorists are in thinking that they can defeat us.
We are not as stupid as this president or the terrorists seem to think.
The president’s basic indictment of our education system failure is the practice of “social promotions” and that we need to elevate children’s educations to insure that they are capable of doing the jobs of the 21 century is an admirable goal but totally misses the point of many 40-50 year old workers that have lost their jobs - right now and can’t earn a living wage, they have inadequate health care and many can’t realistically be retrained.
The president’s view of education is to undermine real education by attempting to add “creationist” theory along side of scientific theory. Put I.D. (intelligent design theory) into our science classes as an equal explanation for Darwinian evolution and basically breed ignorance rather than wisdom based on factual evidence.
Our schools are failing because we are not teaching how to succeed. We’re still screwing around with the educational process at the expense of children’s futures. The president is right in one sense that we should be holding schools accountable for the educations of our kids but why isn’t this government that withholds funding for many of the programs that are designed to help them not held accountable.
The problems are immense and need some serious attempts and not ideological tampering to solve them.
This president has demonstrated that neither he nor his administration is capable of dealing with the problems we’re faced with, from terrorism to education.
I expect that the president’s assumption that we’re just to ignorant to understand the complexities of the problems will be very surprised on election day when he discovers again he was wrong.
Posted by bushwhacker on Oct 14, 2004 at 4:57 PM The “wired” stuff may just be the October suprize that everyone has been speculating about! What? That the media finally exposes that the emperor indeed has no clothes, no clue, and no original thought!
Posted by BAM on Oct 14, 2004 at 5:19 PM After watching the final debate I noted that at no point was President Bush’s back to the camera. Also, during certain questions, he would be asked the question - there would be a long pregnant pause - and then he would blurt out the answer. It appeared to me that he was “listening” during the pause. My question is: what is wrong with the Democrats for not making more of an issue of this?
Posted by Judi Dingfelder on Oct 14, 2004 at 5:59 PM This is from a very reliable source. I read mediachannel.org and the News Dissector Danny Schecter is the best. The wired stuff (isbushwired.com) has been circulating for the last 2 weeks now and the NY Times finally picked it up yesterday. Seems like no one really cares that Bush is wired or maybe people just don’t want to see this other reality. Whatever it is, the October surprise maybe worse than him being wired. Of course, one must read outside of this bubble. Check mediachannel.org as they sift through the news globally and bring you what’s what annd what’s important.This is taken out of the news dissector’s blog. Check it.
OCTOBER SURPRISE?
Speaking of Iran and Israel, Dan Cassidy passes this along: “BBC WORLD REPORT (radio): In context of talking about how close the election in US is right now, the BBC’s main Washington correspondent predicted dramatically . . . this is paraphrased (but very close to a quote):“I may be putting my neck out, but I think the “October Surprise” is coming very soon and will be in the form of an Israeli preemptive missile strike against Iran.”
She then went on to reference Israel’s (US-financed) mega-missile purchase of last week. The BBC World News’ anchor didn’t bat a verbal eyelash at this ominous prediction.”
Posted by DFR on Oct 14, 2004 at 6:23 PM That debate last night was funny did you see Kery’s mouth move? Just like real almost except everyone knows that it was really Ted “Chappaquiddick” Kennedy talking. Yea I guess if you loved Clinton you’ll love this socialist douche-bag.My bet is on the outside if he does win he won’t even finish his first term. If he is half the sleaze ball clinton and her husband were the American people will “Gray Davis” him. Wake up all you liberals out there this ding dong from Mass. will take us all to the brink of civil war.
Posted by whitey on Oct 14, 2004 at 8:37 PM Red,
I’ve been reading your posts and for someone who claims to intelligent, one thing seems clear to me. You are such a moron. I’d think that someone that was trying to convince that your thoughts are articulate and knowing would at least have the smarts if not the motivation to at least spell check what you’ve typed before you submit it.
I can only imagine that you must be some redneck sitting around his trailer in a grease stained wife-beater t-shirt eating pork rinds (my apologies to pork rind industry and Fruit of the Loom…) rather than someone who is capable of thinking and articulating thoughts that are worthy of consideration and weight.I’m sure this must make me some kind of intellectual snob to you, but isn’t that what all the people that aren’t capable of articulate thought accuse us that are, of?
Our country is perched at a precipice. If Bush gets reelected, it will take us down a road that may take years to recover from. Do the right thing people, Vote Kerry
Posted by augustwest on Oct 14, 2004 at 9:07 PM Red,
I’ve been reading your posts and for someone who claims to intelligent, one thing seems clear to me. You are such a moron. I’d think that someone that was trying to convince others that your thoughts are articulate and knowing would at least have the smarts if not the motivation to at least spell check what you’ve typed before you submit it.
I can only imagine that you must be some redneck sitting around his trailer in a grease stained wife-beater t-shirt eating pork rinds (my apologies to pork rind industry and Fruit of the Loom…) rather than someone who is capable of thinking and articulating thoughts that are worthy of consideration and weight.I’m sure this must make me some kind of intellectual snob to you, but isn’t that what all the people that aren’t capable of articulate thought accuse us that are, of?
Our country is perched at a precipice. If Bush gets reelected, it will take us down a road that may take years to recover from. Do the right thing people, Vote Kerry
**************corrected version*********
Posted by augustwest on Oct 14, 2004 at 9:11 PM We are fighting for the soul of our country. What country are you from Whitey? You sound just like Bush last night calling Kerry a liberal like it’s bad description. i.e liberal means open-minded, progressive, open to ideas. Bush can’t even welcome the idea of anything outside his pea-brain mind (THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES! maybe you’ve never read the Hans Christian Andersen children’s story?) because he doesn’t have any capacity, he can only hold about 82mb in his brain he keeps reapeating himself over and over and over again. Be original pleeease. Anything else you can say ? and besides Kerry is a liberal blah blah blah, give us some ideas, make us see why you want to re-elect Bush and what has he done for you for the last 4 years - we’re here to discuss. I guess that’s too much for you because you’re not “liberal” like us, you can’t open your mind to anything else. Go ahead and vote for Bush you deserve each other. Cretin. I just hope that you are one of those people who actually are benefitting from his administration at least I know why they want Bush re-elected. But then again, if you are one of the 1% that Bush serves, what the hell are you doing in this post?
Posted by DFR on Oct 14, 2004 at 9:36 PM Bush was playing to his base…the “conservatives” who think liberal is a bad word.
He won’t garner a new audience with his performance last night.
He had nothing substantial to say…he kept repeating education over and over again. AND..he lied about that…the money put into no child left behind was for testing ONLY…not to fix a problem…unless it means your school failed and you can get a voucher for a private school. Who afords that??? (Let me give you a clue…you have to make loads of money)
How will education get someone a job, when their are no jobs? How can somebody support a family using that training money he talked about to go to school? Off their unemployment??? How will they pay for doctor vists? How will they buy food?
This man is so out of touch with reality and that is why he IS the emporor without any clothes
Posted by Robin on Oct 14, 2004 at 9:56 PM tell me again how long did democrats hold power in the house and the senate. 40 years ! with numerous democratic presidents. Democrats screwed up this country with their social engineering and ass kissing to the hard core socialist-liberal left. It’s funny that now America is waking up to the lies that the whining, name calling and bitching get loud from the small minds on the left. Liberal is a dirty word if you REALLY care about freedom. Socialism like liberalism is a mental diease .
Posted by Whitey on Oct 14, 2004 at 10:28 PM Name-calling? Hardcore socialist liberal left? Liberal is a dirty word if we REALLY care about freedom? what FREEDOM are you talking about? the killing of innocent people so that we can give them “freedom”? we can’t give them freedom if they’re dead. And mind you, maybe you should start looking for another word if you say that liberal is a “dirty” word (whatWHAT???) because that’s not what the dictionary says it means. Or maybe you should learn another language becasue you clearly cannot grasp the real meaning of liberal. The left? what left? This country is so conservative I as a lefty consider Clinton a conservative. Consider that. Which only means that Bush is one of those Christian fundamentalists who actually think that armegeddon is coming therefore for them the war in Iraq is justified. IT ISN’T JUSTIFIED!! You know why? because Bush lied! How can you justify his lies? He said that Sept. 11 and Iraq is connected and that Iraq is harboring Al Qaeda and that there was WMD. Where is it??? Have you been reading the news that there is NO WMD? or have you just watching the reality show that is called the FOX news? Their own brand of reality? have you been living in the same country we’ve all been living in? am I? You better be one of the 1% Bush serves for your own sake. Because you have no future in this country and your children and your children’s children. Bush made sure of that. We are trying to stop him. We care about freedom.
The “war on terror” is a phantom Bush created after he dismissed the threat before Sept. 11. If he didn’t ignore the threat, none of those people and none of my friends would have been dead. So don’t you try to justify his lies, Whitey.
Posted by DFR on Oct 14, 2004 at 10:47 PM PS
Don’t waste your breath us on “liberals”, whitey. We can’t help it, we’ve take the pill and we’ve gone down the rabbit hole so far down we can’t go back.
Posted by DFR on Oct 14, 2004 at 10:53 PM Get a life Whitey, you’re boring me. Your head’s so far up your butt, your breath stinks. Go find a website representing your warped point of view. Hurry home now and watch Dr. Phil for some free psychiatric advice cuz you are whack!
Posted by Shirley on Oct 14, 2004 at 11:09 PM ah shirley i am so sad tha PMS is kicking in maybe you aDFR can get together and start an encounter group. Dr Phil you say…it figures that you put faith in the hacks you see on TV you probably believe that Brokaw-Rather- Jennings are telling the truth too. Poor delusional little liberal….go take a midol.
Posted by whitey on Oct 14, 2004 at 11:13 PM Where can i download the D-Day video of cameras picking up the prompter? I’ve done some searching already.
Posted by es on Oct 14, 2004 at 11:20 PM At least I can call myself a liberal i.e. liber free loedan to grow, in Greek eleuthos, which means free. I am a liberal therfore I am free. And I am lucky because I don’t live in your so called reality. Maybe you’re the one who should go to Iraq and fight for us, whitey. At least I know I am not illiterate like you. CRETIN. I feel sorry for you.
BTW, I don’t watch your so called hacks on TV at all. If I did, I would be just like you: ignorant, stupid and illiterate. Also uninformed.
Posted by DFR on Oct 14, 2004 at 11:34 PM Check out isbushwired.com, es.
Also this:
Video: The Secret Government
Bill Moyers documents U.S. support of terrorist regimes and the rise of the NSC.
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3281.htmThis is not somewthing made up. This actually is an old footage that’s in the public domain. Therefore there’s no debate about this at all. Check it.
Posted by DFR on Oct 14, 2004 at 11:38 PM OK Dfr you are so frigginn smart where DO you get your information from? And also if you are smart enough to quote Greek maybe you should take the actual interpetation of true liberal. The only true “liberal” is a libertarian. I guess i should call a spade a spade and just call you an ignorant socialiist. oh yeah I don’t want your pity you are no better than me actually you are a lot less tolerant of ideas than I will ever be. your holier than thou talk is actually indicative of a small insecure mind compounded by delusional ideology…but no hard feelings eh?
Posted by whitey on Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56 PM what boggles my mind about these knee-jerk, reactionary “bush-ites” is that they completely forget that America was based on Liberal Ideals…ever heard of Thomas Paine? Maybe the most articulate Liberal, and AMERICAN to ever exist….he also had quite the large hand in creating your country by the way Mr. Whitey.
And for all your attacks on “the french” I think it is important to bear in mind that there simply would not be a United States of America without France (history buffs *might* remember that america’s only ally in the Revolutionary war was France.) The Statue of Liberty wasn’t given to you by the English mind you….
again, why is it necessary for an outsider Canadian to remind you of your patriotic, republican (notice the small r) history?
Republicans give a bad name to republicans (notice the small r again)
neil “one angry canuck who hopes you guys finally get it right” therriault
Posted by neil on Oct 15, 2004 at 6:47 AM The fact that anyone could defend this President and his breaking of the debate rules proves that we have a scenario very similar to Nazi Germany. I never accepted the comparisons between Bush and Hitler, but the comparison between circumstances is quite clear and correct. There is some kind of group mentality that is occuring where any wrong doing is justified because Bush will keep us safe from some paper tiger enemy operating out of some of the poorest parts of the world. This kind of group think is the most dangerous and will lead to some very disturbing trends if not squashed immediately.
I am already living in Europe because I don’t wnat to be around when comedians and gays are carted off to “Patriot Camps” for reprogramming. Re-read 1984. Black has certainly become white and freedom is definitely slavery.
Maybe the American way should go the way of the dodo. We need a new dream. Europe is nice though. People ride bicycles and sex is something natural.
Posted by msbuch72 on Oct 15, 2004 at 10:38 AM Msbuch72
You are not the only expatriot. Mexico has more expatriots living there than any country..and more than ever before.
Many people are leaving for political and economic reasons.
I would be interested in seeing the ratio of immigration to emigration and compare it to past ratios. My bet is the ratio will get closer to 1:1 as this economy declines and there are no opportunites as promised by the Statue of Liberty…give me your tired, your weak..etc.
Posted by Robin on Oct 15, 2004 at 10:46 AM I am an English teacher and I spend most of my time trying to convince my students that not all Americans are idiots. Trust me, it is the most difficult part of my job. Especially when things like this “wiregate” happen and the polls still reflect a 50-50 split. Europeans are dumbfounded. And every time a candidate mentions God, they literally shutter. This kind of intertwining of religion and politics would never be tolerated in most European countries, except maybe Poland.
“Don’t forget Poland!” One of my most favourite lines from the second debate. As if we ever could!
Posted by msbuch72 on Oct 15, 2004 at 11:02 AM msbunch you say the American way should go the way of the Dodo??? where do you get this crap?? equating nazis with America?? you sound like Soros. I am glad you are in your european utopia where people can have sex with bicycles who knows maybe you’ll even find a nice one and settle down and while you at it why don’t you take the rest of your socialist-commie friends with you.
As for mexico yeah its nice once you get away from the border but to live there? well go ahead but I do think we have a loooong way to go before the numbers even up. At least the Americans don’t try to move to mexico and take over . In mexico the policia would shoot your ass!
Posted by whitey on Oct 15, 2004 at 11:04 AM Come, socialist commie friends! It is better here. No idiot Presidents. No chrisitan fundamentalism. Free sex with bicycles!
But most importantly, no Whiteys.
Posted by msbuch72 on Oct 15, 2004 at 11:09 AM Like I said, you sound just like Bush, whitey. Very dismissive of education, the what-he-calls “elitists”, the academia. I’m not surprised. I don’t think you can wrap your small pea brains of any ideology besides the Bush doctrine which is hmmm… uneducated and uninformed? Also delusional? What reality have you been living in? what bubble? Hmmm.. let me see. Where do I get my information from? What kind of question is that? How about READING??! And maybe if you look in the OED (do you own one? go to the public library, oh wait, maybe Bush burned all the books in you library) you would know exactly the etymology of libertarian..? i.e. an advocate of the doctrine of free will (FREE WILL!), a person who UPHOLDS the principles of absolute and unrestricted liberty especially of thought and action. Hence, the Statue of Libert is named so. Oh yeah, you’re too stupid to think for yourself so you need the Bushies to tell you what to think, you’re one of those people who have been programmed. Remember: the followers of the idiot is much more of an idiot than the idiot they’re following. You deserve Bush. At least we think for ourselves and weigh the informations and realities of not just our lives but other people’s too and actually experience the environment we’re living in in a daily basis and try to do something about the wrongs of the world. What are you doing to better your life and other people’s lives and the world you live in? And you’ve never answered my question: how did Bush better your life in the last 4 years? Still no answer? I don’t think you have any. I shouldn’t waste my fancy words on you. You’re a lost cause - I’ll “pray” for you and the likes of you.
Everyone, it’s been great. Keep reading and keep the fight. I have to stop this now. I cannot keep answering a post from this idiot whitey, he’s a lost cause and he’s been programmed. I don’t think there’s any way to de-programmed this person unless he wants to. Only he can help himself.
Ciao. (that’s goodbye or hello in Italian, whitey- you can use it either way)
Posted by DFR on Oct 15, 2004 at 1:22 PM DFR,
You love feeding the trolls. Talk about being led around the wring. All Whitey has to do is say “shit” and you jump on the shovel. Why dont you two get together and get it out of your systems.
Posted by Watson on Oct 15, 2004 at 1:49 PM A place where there are “No Whiteys”...A Utopia?
Well, he is definitely for real here, like carbon dioxide, mercury, and other pollutants.
Posted by abs on Oct 15, 2004 at 2:28 PM That object under the coat of Mr. Bush is a miniaturized electronic Cross.
Much like the wooden Cross of Jesus, but heavier.
Heavy traffic of messages:
say this,
don’t say that
retreat!
attack,
shutup
Posted by masood raji on Oct 15, 2004 at 3:15 PM well so long dfr since you speak such fluent Italian (which I am ) vaffonculo!! Boy you guys are true liberals ya all hate whitey. I am off to help Bush burn books and become nazis…wheee . what a bunch or morons you all. YOU are so programmed to be such mindless wimps who have probably never had an original thought. Like I say I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person but in this case the fun I have at proving your stupidity if FUN>>>>
Posted by whitey on Oct 15, 2004 at 3:48 PM Whitey:
All that you have proved is that your presence on this site has been a total waste of time which you apparently have - a lot of - to waste.
Please do - go and waste time with people more like yourself.
Posted by abs on Oct 15, 2004 at 4:03 PM “Conservatives” who post rabid, inane remarks here are so insecure in their “values” that anyone who questions them is SO threatening that they are ridiculed and insulted out of fear. Whitey et al are very, very afraid of the truth, and react in a knee-jerk fashion, as they are terrified that perhaps their narrow little beliefs might be wrong.
Think about how the rest of the world sees us and our government - an arrogant, bumbling “leader”, followed by a horde of sub-conscious blowhards.
Posted by weezianna on Oct 15, 2004 at 5:25 PM Whooo! That was fun. Whitey, Red, Carl; who knew that it could be so much fun reading this thread.
I am not sure whether or not Bush was wearing a wire, but it should not matter. He still was trounced, and still has nothing to offer but fear. “The only thing we have to fear is not enough fear.” That ought to be his campaign slogan.
Unfortunately, he will still remain strong with his supporters. Let’s all hope for strong turn out from new and disgruntled voters.
I talked to a guy at a bar in Philly the other day. He was a big young black dude, sporting hip hop garb and lots of bling. We talked sports for a while, then I asked if he was voting. You should have seen how quickly he dug in his wallet and pulled out his voter registration card. It was so cool. I mentioned Nader and Cobb, and there was not even a flicker of recognition. I rattled off a few topical planks of their platforms and then moved on to some heavy stuff. I gave him some info on the PNAC. He took it readily. I hope that he follows up on that.
I think that the PNAC is THE issue that could do Bush in. Unfortunately there is no knowledge of the PNAC in the general public. Even Red would have a hard time swallowing the idea that the goal of this administration is to dominate and rule the world.
Do any of you have any thoughts on the PNAC and it’s place in our lives? Has Kerry made any allusions to the PNAC’s plan for Pax Americana? Will he be any better?
If this needs to be taken to another thread, just let me know. I will gladly post there.
Hope to hear from you.
Regards,
Ron
Posted by k9disc on Oct 15, 2004 at 5:59 PM Looks like Whitey ran out of sick ramblings and got tired of repeating himself to people who shunned him en masse. I’m way beyond PMS, but unfortunately there’s no age limit on stupidity, and Whitey has cornered the market under the tutelage of W. Thanks to all for finally running Whitey away! And what a misnomer this black-hearted fool has! He is the axis of evil. You won’t be missed dude. Call me naive, but what’s PNAC?
Posted by Shirley on Oct 15, 2004 at 6:19 PM Please explain for those of us unfamiliar with the acronym PNAC what it is.
If Bush’s plan is to rule the world, it seems that he has little chance of that if the rest of the world and ( I’m betting) better than half of the country doesn’t trust or believe anything he says.
Posted by abs on Oct 15, 2004 at 6:21 PM Read: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
PNAC is actually this think tank in DC that the US should rule the world. (Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and co. are co-founders) Read for yourself.
Project for the New American Century is what it means. Scary.
Posted by DFR on Oct 15, 2004 at 6:28 PM These “think tank” is actually the architect on the “War on Terror” and the war in Iraq.
Posted by DFR on Oct 15, 2004 at 6:30 PM I have done quite a bit of research on these guys. Cheney, Wolfy, Rummy, Feith, Libby, Woolsey, Cambone, Cohen are all founding members.
If you are not familiar, Please check out their website: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ . I have read several of their position papers, and it is truly scary.
Rebuilding America’s Defenses (2000)is the one that everyone should read. It is 90 some-odd pages of empire. It calls for such things as: forward deployment of our troops into the Caspian Sea Region; drawing up tensions with North Korea; injecting troops into the Phillipines; moving troops from Western Europe to Eastern Europe; increasing troop levels in South and Central America; moving the troops from Saudi Arabia to Iraq using the Saddam Huessein regime as a convenient excuse. The reason for this is to protect ‘the American Peace’ by creating a military so powerful that no country or group of countries could possibly compete.
The authors knew this was largely a pipe dream after they offered similar tactics right after the fall of the Berlin wall and were criticized for the radical notions they espoused. So they acknowledge that the public does not have the stomach to get the job done in a reasonable amount of time, so it will take a cataclysmic Pearl Harbor type of event to put their plan into action.
And 9/11 changed everything, Right?
Posted by k9disc on Oct 15, 2004 at 7:19 PM I guess I should have slapped quotes around some of that stuff, but they are not exact quotes. I do have one quote that, I believe, is correct that I did not mention in the above post:
“In the future, genetically specific biological weapons will be come a politically useful tool.”
These people have got to go!
Posted by k9disc on Oct 15, 2004 at 7:23 PM “Cheney, Wolfy, Rummy,
Feith, Libby, Woolsey, Cambone, Cohen”I was aware of this group normally identified as neo-cons. You left out Richard Pearl whom I believe is more influential in their thinking.
Just as worrisome and as influential is the Jerry Fawells and the entire Christian Coaltions influence on foreign policy!
Thanks for bringing up the acronym though. I had not heard of it before.
Posted by abs on Oct 15, 2004 at 7:38 PM I’ve actually read about this guys back in the late 90s. They really wanted to be able to find a way to get this fundamentalist ideology instated, of course first, one was to get rid of everyone in their way including Clinton back then, the dems controlled the House and the Senate at the time. They sort of disappeared after they made Clinton look bad after the Lewinsky thing. Of course a lot of people disliked Clinton and the Dems after that scandal. They made sure that the people would not want any Dems in the White House again hence the stealing of the election of 2000. Great premise. And yeah Sept. 11. Perfect. I watched these NPAC guys on C-Span one time, their meeting Chalabi, like a conference - Chalabi the hope of the Iraqis. Wolfowitz was the main guy. He was hanaging out with Chalabi way before any of these and he’s the architect of NPAC in the true sense. I didn’t undestand the whole thing at first, I think this was in early 2001, then Sept. 11 happened and then the whole thing clicked in my head. There’s this talk about “world order” after Sept. 11. A lot of NYers feel that, especially after the 9/11 Commission Report came out, that this administration purposely ignored the threat (Bush’s advisers advised him not to pay attention to it - they really needed someone like Bush who they can manipulate and is uneducated and who don’t read, most importantly) so that if anything happens, they would be actually given a window of opportunity. It wasn’t just a window, for these guys it seemed like the whole pearly gates opened up to them. Has anyone read the whole 9/11 Report? how the whole thing unfolded is just like a novel, it couldn’t have been written so much better. It’s amazing. Anyway, turns out Chalabi is another criminal. He was just taking money from these guys - he was being paid a huge sum (300,000) monthly that was coming from us tax payers. They really trusted him. The thing is they couldn’t tell another criminal from the other because they’re all criminal in their own right, they were blinded.
Posted by DFR on Oct 15, 2004 at 7:53 PM Boy I thought the guys with the tinfoil hats were freaked out conspiracy theorists but you folks take the cake. Next you’ll say Bush is Hitler(oops you already say that). I bet you think Bush killed MLK- JFK and the baby Jesus. You all are just the KKK with nicer clothes and no southern accent. I Will leave you now to your leftist whining as I am no longer amused with talking to spineless,whining, self defecating wackos. So long weasels and don’t forget to always “hate Whitey”
Posted by whitey on Oct 15, 2004 at 8:21 PM Yo abs,
I knew a guy who called himself abs in college, funny.
I know that you are familiar with the players, and I did neglect to include Pearl, but you might want to read their plans, seeing as how they are right out there in the public eye. They are quite damning of the right’s current path. I think that if the people knew that the War on Terror is nothing more than this imperialist dream, that 9/11 was not some watershed life altering event, but an excuse for global hegemony that they would be far more skeptical of our leader’s actions.I guess it is possible that ol’ red, whitey and carl might be supportive of such a plan, but, I mean, listen to them…
Posted by k9disc on Oct 15, 2004 at 8:31 PM Self defecating, no less! ROFL! Who does your defecating for you whitey?
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Read it, whitey. You might learn to love your country enough to protect it when it is under attack.Ron
Posted by k9disc on Oct 15, 2004 at 8:39 PM Whitey does his own defecating…it’s all over this site. I thought the assbite had disappeared, but he just couldn’t help reading all of the intelligent banter educated folks share w/each other. I went to the recommended informationclearinghouse site and discovered to my horror that the U.S. has killed 6 million people in pursuit of their evil goals. There’s one undeniable conection to Hitler. Thanks for sharing the info.
Posted by Shirley on Oct 15, 2004 at 8:55 PM So it has come down to scatalogical badinage
and alas a bid farewell from the prime purveyor of sphincter expressions
from the anal retentive end primarily- in this case that applies to both ends.
Farewell, it has been not “FUN”...although many of us probably had a (nervous) chuckle or two.Thanks to K9disc for the site link…very distubing stuff indeed.
Incidentally, Moyers also gave a scathing speech regarding what many corporations have been doing in the name of profits to the rest of us. I’ll attempt to discover where to download it and share here.
He (Moyers) also (you probably already know) has a program every Friday night on PBS.
Posted by bushwhacker on Oct 15, 2004 at 10:23 PM When Bush took the stage for the third debate my first reaction was, “he looks terrible.” It seems highly plausible to me that he has had a stroke.
Why refuse to take his physical until after the election? Others have suggested that he is suffering from dementia, possibly as a result of a couple decades of drug abuse and binge drinking. The latest suggestion about the “bulge” is that, rather than a transceiver, it’s some kind of medical device, possibly a neurostimulator. For a number of reasons this is a more probable explanation.
If enough people demand an answer maybe we’ll get one.
Posted by Slithey Tove on Oct 15, 2004 at 10:33 PM I have tried to find out where the video of a speech on the economy by Bill Moyer’s came from to post a possible link but it’s come down the pike and I just have it as a “realtime” video.
Sorry. Powerful speech though. Makes you wonder why more mainstrean journalists’ don’t present some of these views.
And “Slithey Tove” - a month or so ago there was mention on- of all places a Republican site called
“capitalhillblue.com” that suggested that Bush was on some serious medications for depression and was behaving oddly around staff, using expletives, having temper tantrums and so on.
Even somehow Fidel Castro mentioned this report in a speech he gave. True? well, if it is the press won’t be the ones to relay anything about it.
We have seen for ourselves that something of a suspicious nature was on Bush’s back and the press hasn’t caught on to the interest nor revealed anything about it - one way or another.
Makes one wonder doesn’t it.
Posted by bushwhacker on Oct 15, 2004 at 11:36 PM GUESTWORDS: By E.L. Doctorow
The Unfeeling President
In two parts
I fault this president for not knowing what death is.
He does not suffer the death of our 21-year-olds who
wanted to be what they could be. On the eve of D-Day
in 1944 General Eisenhower prayed to God for the lives
of the young soldiers he knew were going to die. He
knew what death was. Even in a justifiable war, a war
not of choice but of necessity, a war of survival, the
cost was almost more than Eisenhower could bear.
But this president does not know what death is. He
hasn’t the mind for it. You see him joking with the
press, peering under the table for the weapons of mass
destruction he can’t seem to find, you see him at
rallies strutting up to the stage in shirt sleeves to
the roar of the carefully screened crowd, smiling and
waving, triumphal, a he-man.
He does not mourn. He doesn’t understand why he should
mourn. He is satisfied during the course of a speech
written for him to look solemn for a moment and speak
of the brave young Americans who made the ultimate
sacrifice for their country.
But you study him, you look into his eyes and know he
dissembles an emotion which he does not feel in the
depths of his being because he has no capacity for it.
He does not feel a personal responsibility for the
1,000 dead young men and women who wanted to be what
they could be.
They come to his desk not as youngsters with mothers
and fathers or wives and children who will suffer to
the end of their days a terribly torn fabric of
familial relationships and the inconsolable
remembrance of aborted life . . . they come to his
desk as a political liability, which is why the press
is not permitted to photograph the arrival of their
coffins from Iraq.
How then can he mourn? To mourn is to express regret
and he regrets nothing. He does not regret that his
reason for going to war was, as he knew,
unsubstantiated by the facts. He does not regret that
his bungled plan for the war’s aftermath has made of
his mission-accomplished a disaster. He does not
regret that, rather than controlling terrorism, his
war in Iraq has licensed it. So he never mourns for
the dead and crippled youngsters who have fought this
war of his choice.
He wanted to go to war and he did. He had not the mind
to perceive the costs of war, or to listen to those
who knew those costs. He did not understand that you
do not go to war when it is one of the options but
when it is the only option; you go not because you
want to but because you have to.
Posted by Talleyrand on Oct 16, 2004 at 8:57 AM Yet this president knew it would be difficult for
Americans not to cheer the overthrow of a foreign
dictator. He knew that much. This president and his
supporters would seem to have a mind for only one
thing—to take power, to remain in power, and to use
that power for the sake of themselves and their
friends.
A war will do that as well as anything. You become a
wartime leader. The country gets behind you. Dissent
becomes inappropriate. And so he does not drop to his
knees, he is not contrite, he does not sit in the
church with the grieving parents and wives and
children. He is the president who does not feel. He
does not feel for the families of the dead, he does
not feel for the 35 million of us who live in poverty,
he does not feel for the 40 percent who cannot afford
health insurance, he does not feel for the miners
whose lungs are turning black or for the working
people he has deprived of the chance to work overtime
at time-and-a-half to pay their bills - it is amazing
for how many people in this country this president
does not feel.
But he will dissemble feeling. He will say in all
sincerity he is relieving the wealthiest 1 percent of
the population of their tax burden for the sake of the
rest of us, and that he is polluting the air we
breathe for the sake of our economy, and that he is
decreasing the quality of air in coal mines to save
the coal miners’ jobs, and that he is depriving
workers of their time-and-a-half benefits for overtime
because this is actually a way to honor them by
raising them into the professional class.
And this litany of lies he will versify with
reverences for God and the flag and democracy, when
just what he and his party are doing to our democracy
is choking the life out of it.
But there is one more terribly sad thing about all of
this. I remember the millions of people here and
around the world who marched against the war. It was
extraordinary, that spontaneous aroused oversoul of
alarm and protest that transcended national borders.
Why did it happen? After all, this was not the only
war anyone had ever seen coming. There are little wars
all over he world most of the time.
But the cry of protest was the appalled understanding
of millions of people that America was ceding its role
as the last best hope of mankind. It was their
perception that the classic archetype of democracy was
morphing into a rogue nation. The greatest democratic
republic in history was turning its back on the
future, using its extraordinary power and standing not
to advance the ideal of a concordance of civilizations
but to endorse the kind of tribal combat that
originated with the Neanderthals, a people, now
extinct, who could imagine ensuring their survival by
no other means than pre-emptive war.
The president we get is the country we get. With each
president the nation is conformed spiritually. He is
the artificer of our malleable national soul. He
proposes not only the laws but the kinds of
lawlessness that govern our lives and invoke our
responses. The people he appoints are cast in his
image. The trouble they get into and get us into, is
his characteristic trouble.
Finally, the media amplify his character into our
moral weather report. He becomes the face of our sky,
the conditions that prevail. How can we sustain
ourselves as the United States of America given the
stupid and ineffective warmaking, the constitutionally
insensitive lawgiving, and the monarchal economics of
this president? He cannot mourn but is a figure of
such moral vacancy as to make us mourn for ourselves.
Posted by Talleyrand on Oct 16, 2004 at 8:58 AM In roaming through the official Whitehouse web site I came across two photos of Bush with a wire in his ear.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/images/20020809-1_ranch5-729v v.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/images/20020809-1_ranch4-765v v.html
These photos are together on the same page as the famous bulge photo mentioned early by Salon:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/images/20020809-1_ranch8-515h.ht tmlSalon:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/10/15/wired/index.htmlThe photos give unimpeachable evidence that Bush is wired.
The question is: Is Bush wireless?
And was Bush wireless at the debates?
Posted by David Carraher on Oct 16, 2004 at 12:46 PM The links aren’t working but David seems to be tryng to do more than the main stream press, that apparently will do nothing regarding this story.
Posted by abs on Oct 16, 2004 at 3:18 PM Thanks, Robin & ABS,
I am puzzled that you cannot get the links to work.
The links still work from me (and on more than one browser).I recommend that you follow the URL trail, beginning at
http://www.whitehouse.gov
then looking for news, and so on.Yesterday I sent this story to several major news agencies and journalists throughout the world, and am still awaiting specific feedback beyond the routine acknowledgements. Hopefully, they are researching the matter and checking the sources. Caution is prudent given recent events. I hope that they have the fortitude to take on this remarkable story. I have decided to make my identity and address available to encourage others to get involved.
To those of you who *do* get through to the photos, I suggest you download the relevant information at Whitehouse.gov. If possible you should use Internet Explorer (save as a ‘web archive’), SiteSucker or something similar. This process will download the site (or part of it, depending on how many levels you opt to save). Then you can pass it on to your friends so that they can make up their own minds about what the photos mean.
Merely bookmarking the URL’s in your browser does not provide a permanent record in the event that by some unfortunate circumstance the HTML pages in question cease to be available at whitehouse.gov.
David
Posted by David Carraher on Oct 16, 2004 at 7:38 PM I got the links to work…I believe those are ear plugs..probably to protect his ears from noise damage when he is supposedly using a chainsaw or some other piece of equipment on his ranch.
Sorry ...I live in a rural area, I’ve seen similar stuff
Posted by Robin on Oct 16, 2004 at 7:55 PM Hummm, I got on to the site and agree with Robin.
In these photos they would probably be ear plugs.
If on the other hand they showed up while he was in front of the press corps, well, they could be ear plugs then too so he wouldn’t have to hear and answer any questions.
There has been other reliable documentation that the president has been wired from time to time. whether there is or can be defined as some underhanded reason for this has yet to be addressed by the main-stream press, and until it’s cleared up I suppose we’ll have to continue to wonder.
We do of course appreciate David’s try.
(when I first brought up the site I thought it was a ruse, that is the links were to get us to wallow in the photos of the shrub being manly but
do think it was an inncocent enough mistake.
Posted by abs on Oct 16, 2004 at 8:12 PM Thanks Talleyrand.
A good accounting of how shallow and disingenuous this president has been.
He shows no remorse for the many that have died, has no regrets and would do it all over again, and he sleeps well.
The most interesting element in this president’s seemingly faulty compassion is that he is supposedly a religious person and confers with God often to seek guidance in governing.
None of it jibes…He’s shown no compassion for the American workers, isn’t interested in their health care, a living wage, and his spoken support of the military is belied by the fact that he has been cutting veteran’s benefits while helping his weatlhy friends that are also feel no obligation whatsoever to aid Americans.
We need truth and real compassion, and a person to admit to mistakes and take responsibility…I’m proudly voting for Kerry and Edwards!
Posted by abs on Oct 16, 2004 at 8:37 PM Robin,
You may be correct about the wires being attached to earplugs.
Thanks, David
Posted by David Carraher on Oct 16, 2004 at 9:02 PM The comments above by Red illustrate what is wrong with the neo-con mindset. All the other comments are a reasonably civilized discussion of a controversy (is Bush wired?) Then along comes Red and suddenly there is anger and silly name-calling. It’s a rude, devisive world attitude. What is happening is that the neo-con strategists have harnassed the anger of relatively simple fearful people like Red. Autocrats and fascists are always able to find folks like Red to carry the guns. The sad thing is that Red and others like him will be as harmed ultimately as the rest of us by the neo-con agenda.
Posted by Rick on Oct 16, 2004 at 11:53 PM whitey,
leave my country now!!! you probably never served or had the inclination to serve…as many of the right wing big bussinessmen think as well.
bush to his credit did try to spend some time in service, but he didnt even make the full commitment. sooooo, whitey, what makes you think he is comitted to you and your family’s wellfare or for that matter the good ole U-S of A?, it must be the constant saying yes and shaking his head no or vice versa that does it. try learning to interpret body language and how speech patterns give away the truth with out words bush is full of manuer and spouts it on a regular basis very repetative catch phrases and more bs while the bodylanguage of the U-S of A is a writhing mass of mixed signals to the world high unemployment high taxes bs tax cuts for those of higher than 60 k/yr earnings, all the children left behind, his swift act of getting us mired in a lot of long hard work ahead nonsense in iraq sounds as if i am rambling but the list of facts rolls on and on and on doesnt it…now either you help with SOLUTIONS or git outa mah country and stfu!
Posted by gestapohater on Oct 17, 2004 at 4:28 AM Apparently, this phenomenon is catching on:
www.MilliVanilliPresident.com
Posted by Gator on Oct 17, 2004 at 8:26 PM My take on an article from a Russian paper is that it’s just another example and contrast to the journalistic timidness in this country.
In the foreign press they can legitimately use Hitler as an example to illustrate Bush’s policy, but here no one would dare.
Just as an aside regarding our press corps and their somewhat sanctimonious reasoning and defense that they are like doctors or priests and defend their right not to reveal information.
I saw one day this week the female reporter that is risking 18 months in jail if she doesn’t disclose what she knows (whatever that is) in court. She and her attorney of course claim the tried and true right of privilege and has to protect her source. Now, I can agree to much of that but when a crime such as the leaking of Joseph Wilson’s [CIA] wife’s name to R. Novak and others and then published by Mr. Novak with apparent immunity from any prosecution is to me outrageous. Novak has not even been subpoenaed; he continues to appear on TV shows to provide his smug opinions. Why does a “journalist” feel the need to protect their source when the source perhaps has committed a crime. What if Valorie Plame had been killed because she was discovered to be an agent by the enemy? Her position was indeed compromised and she had to relocate because of Novaks disclosure.
Novak as I recall defended his position on Meet The Press with Russert and more or less said that he believed that Plame’s position was not harmed and that she was in a desk position or words to that effect. Why did he find it necessary to reveal her name when other’s would not? It couldn’t be because he’s a staunch supporter of the president’s bad policies could it?
The president being wired is another example of something that could have been easily explained if anyone in the press were interested in discovering the truth. And if there were a simple explanation they could have stopped all this speculation. And if he indeed has been wired on occasion then the people in this country should know that and see him as the incompetent man he is!
When the media takes the time in exposing the facts as to what the candidates have said and the realities. I noticed that they have never pointed out how the Republican’s have cut benefits for veterans and their families, the same veterans that are sacrificing their lives for this presidents “myopic” and grand
distraction! This administration that sent these troops to war without the proper tools! (Bush likes to point out that Kerry voted against the 87 billion but it was never asked why the money wasn’t used to make sure that the troops had what they needed and what about the money that was diverted by the administration into Afghanistan?)
More of our soldiers are dying every day for this misadventure…(7 today!)
The religious criticism in the article is also accurate and amazing that it’s not appreciated by the religious here in this country.
Certainly it’s in our best interest now that democracy prevails in Iraq but from all the experts that have commented on this it may take decades and many more lives before that happens, and there is also the chance that things will become much worse in the region because of our invasion than existed before under Saddam.
“Bush needs to go” is without a doubt the simple thought that should enter every so-called undecided voter, for the sake of not only America’s but the world’s well being!To read the article I’m referring to go to:
CDC-CentralNewsletter@yahoogroups.com
Posted by BAM on Oct 17, 2004 at 9:50 PM Red, one would think that if there were more people out there that shared your opinions about Bush and the war on terrorism, they would post a response and support you, don’t you think? But there is a strange silence in your support. Maybe there just aren’t enough intelligent Bush supporters to compile a response for you or maybe there just aren’t any who support you.
Red, and Bush/Kerry supporters, who is technically responsible for removing your freedoms? I’ll answer it for you: POLITICIANS, not terrorists.
Red, and Bush/Kerry supporters, who is the target of the police state laws like Patriot I and II? I’ll answer it for you: US CITIZENS, not terrorists.
We are the targets of that legislation Red, you and I and every other freedom loving American.
Just as in Nazi Germany then, so in America today. Hitler would be so proud of Bush and his regime. Just a note: Hitler made the claim much more clearly than Bush ever has that he was a born-again Christian, yet both Bush and Hitler (and Kerry) are members of the Socieity of the Order of Death (Skull & Bones in America and Thule Society in Germany). This is fact. Just do the research and see for yourself. Red, have your mommy do it for you because I don’t think you have the mental capability to.
Those in control, like to divide the people, because it makes them easy to conquer. Why do you think they continually egg-on the fight b/w black vs white, rich vs poor, liberal vs conservative, etc, etc? If you read Patriot I or II and then read the Constitution (something to be frowned upon nowadays because that is something only terrorists do, you know), you will understand. But you don’t need to read do you Red? You just listen to Limbaugh and Hannity and parrot whatever they say: “Eh? Polly want a cracker?” “Eh? Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden. Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein.”
You party-allegiance people make me sick. Nothing could be more patriotic than dissent. It is not the party that is important, but issues and values. The Demopublicans and Republicrats have proved time and again they have no values. As a matter of fact, can anyone tell me on any issue other than abortion, where is the real difference b/w the two major parties? The only difference I see is the amount of money they are willing to spend (more and much more) on the same issues on which they fundamentally agree.
If Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, George Mason, Paul Reviere, etc were alive today, they would vote 3rd party. There is no doubt about that. NONE! Read what they have said about their idea of freedom in their writings. Nothing that the Ahnold!-GWB Republicans and the Clinton-Kerry Democrats spew from their mouths or from their pens come even close to the idea of freedom expressed in the writings of the founders. Far from it.
It is a sad day in America when people believe that there are only 2 choices. As others have posted, there are at least 4 other choices.
Vote for the 3rd party candidate by absentee because it doesn’t matter if you have conservatism, liberalism, captialism, communism, facism, socialism, etc: it is ALL command and control. They make their commands from their control center. They divide and conquer. Is that what you want? To be conquered? You know what kings do to the conquered peoples? He makes them his slaves, just as in the days of the pharoahs of Egypt.
And if you think that you’re safe from the wrath of the beast system by being taking part of the beast system, you are dead wrong.
I’d rather go down fighting for freedom and truth with my true American, patriotic, freedom-loving brothers than to take part in the NWO being brought on by both Bush and Kerry.
Posted by Mocoffeesa on Oct 18, 2004 at 1:05 PM Hey Red, I have a proposition for you.
Let’s party with Bush in the White House, and when he falls face-first in a drunken coma, go push the red button and blow up all those damn commies all over the world. That would teach them a lesson.
Enough of this Red-baiting redneck claptrap. Red is either 12 years old, or has the intellect of a 12 year old. Probably laughing his ass off at us for wasting our time arguing with him.
The real question is, now that we finally have Iraq under our control, how much are we willing to spend extracting another 5 years’ worth of oil, and how long are we willing to put off developing alternative sources and getting serious about conservation? Are we willing to play chicken with global warfare to wrest Russia’s oil from its control also, or will we finally give up on it and move on?
There are huge vested interests and no replacement infrastructure. Peak oil is here and the coming decades are going to be intensely painful no matter what we do now. Do we have the resolve to go out and start genocidal wars to guarantee our domination of the world’s resources, or are we going to take a less draconian approach?
If you ask Red, he will say burn ‘em all. That might be OK for him to say when it’s not his ass on the front lines, but who will carry the flag when he chickenhawks out? Kerry is willing to keep pumping Iraq dry indefinitely, his protestations to the contrary notwithstanding. How about the rest of the American populace? Do we have the stomach for that kind of despotism?
This is no idle question. We are not likely to develop alternatives any time soon and the rest of the world is not likely to stand idly by while we rape them indefinitely. We may be forced to begin nuclear pre-emptive strikes against Russia and China eventually just to survive. Ready?
Posted by Cheryl on Oct 18, 2004 at 6:19 PM Wow, when I started reading this thread, I was still impressed at how educated and civilized everyone was. But then as I went on to pages 2 to 5, most of what I could see was a little talking about the facts… but mostly it was just people calling each other names. It almost seems like a contest to me. Who can wrap bad words into better sentences.
So I came across the words moron, bitch, whack, idiots, spineless,whining, self defecating wackos, weasles, arrogant, ignorants… etc… just to name a few of them.
I have only moved here from Germany 5 years ago. I love to live here, but I’m concerned about what has happened since 2001. This country has gone from “standing united” to “standing divided” in only 3 years… so divided in fact, that it seems like all there is is extreme republicans or extreme democrats, yelling and fighting at each other.
I hear people complain about the negative campaigning in this country (I always thought, this happened in Germany only), yet on this thread or any other forum for that matter, there is so much negativity, that it hurts. How is there supposed to be peace in the world… if there can’t even be peace within a country?
How can 6 people run for president, and 80% of my friends are not able to name them all? There are alternatives to Bush and Kerry… but people seem to refuse to see them.
All the best to you from a German girl, who cannot vote…. yet. :-)
Ute
Posted by Ute on Oct 19, 2004 at 4:47 AM Dear Ute,
You’re point is well-taken; however, you must realize what preceeded this negativity. I suggest you see Fahrenheit 9/11 for a quick review. Bush, in collusion with his brother, daddy, and the Supreme Court, outright stole the election that put him in office. Without the popular vote, more than half of the electorate was disenfranchised and won’t support him. Since taking office, he has brought us to the brink of a world war, alienated many of our allies, and distorted the truth (outright lied) about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction (WMD), which never materialized and, in fact, never even had the capacity to produce them. He has failed in his attempts to convince even U.S. citizens (most from the beginning) that there was any connection between Hussein and Bin Laden, the self-proclaimed mastermind behind the 9/11 attack on our country. During this time, he single-handedly took our economy from a decent surplus to an outrageous deficit, while simultaneously granting the Vice-President and NATO sizeable chunks of our cash dollars. He is Robin Hood in reverse: He steals from the poor to give to the rich, reference the despicable, unfair tax situation he created. Maybe now you can understand the extremely negative feedback given to the few idiots who decided to have their say in his defense on this thread. Peace and out!
Posted by Shirley on Oct 19, 2004 at 5:40 PM Shirley, thank you for your kind answer. I have seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and I’m not a fan of it. Too much sensationalism. But I agree with all of your arguments, and thank you for pointing them out, without calling anybody any bad words. It’s just so much nicer to read from someone who remembers their manners, you know? I am very much a peace loving woman (which probably comes as no surprise since I grew up in Germany), so peace to me begins within my country, my community, even my family. :-)
Take care,
Ute
Posted by Ute on Oct 20, 2004 at 3:45 AM Hi Ute, welcome to wonderland… Some of the stuff you have been reading here is just some people, or I suspect one person, attracting attention or just being silly and disruptive. You get those all over the place, check some of the fora on the t-online website… But let me explain that some of those naughty and unchristian words you have found here are part of the general vocabulary. Whackos for example. I am not sure, but I think the etymology could be “from a certain town in Texas” where some fundamentalist Christian group opted for a one way ticket to their maker rather than surrender to the horned and hooved agents of Satan in the form of the FBI. Well, sad to say, now Texas has sent one wacko to the White House. Sometimes the English language is just strange. We have a bush and a dick now leading the country. Two johns are after them. In the late 60s early seventies the GOP got a tricky dick in the number one spot and a gnu to support him.
Sorry, I am being facetious and shouldn’t be, but at this point…
Posted by Talleyrand on Oct 20, 2004 at 4:50 PM I would like to respond to “Red” if I could. If I had met anyone with a more narrow mind or larger lack of common sense I would probably be less surprised by your brainwashed republican retoric. I don’t care about a hidden device, I don’t care about other people telling the president what to say during press conferences, debates or any other public display. All I care about is that fact that anyone, insert your name here, could watch that simple minded, socially stunted, poor excuse for a hobbitt during those 3 debates and possibly still vote for him!!! The man is a complete idiot. I have stated that to my co-workers and one of them actually had a low enough IQ to respnod with “hey man..he ain’t stupid..he graduated from Yale!!” Hey guess what meatstick!! Ben Affleck graduated from Harvard…want him running the country?
Posted by Murphy on Nov 4, 2004 at 11:05 PM Dear Ohio,
Florida called and they want their voting machines back by tomorrow.
Posted by Shirley on Nov 4, 2004 at 11:31 PM Oh my gawd! I can’t believe some of these posts!
Do these hick Conservatives really think that
they’re making a strong case when they write things
like:“Oh well GTM I am sorry that you think me
and George are dumb-boy my feelings are really
hurt when someone of your caliber disparages me
and the Prez.”Great English skills, dude!
Or how about “And you know what I really
don’t care a damn what happens in some third
world sewer.”That last one really gets me! Isn’t Iraq a
“third world sewer”? Your daddy, Bush, sure
seems to “care a damn” (nice phrase..make that
up yourself, Einstein?) what goes on there…so
much that he’s sending our sons and daughters to
die for their freedom!Then he goes on to repeat even more Limbaugh mantras:
“Liberals are morally corrupt and mentally
incompotent to even formulate an opinion.”First of all, the word is “incompetent.” Second,
you need to read your history, ass wad. Conservatives
have been on the wrong side of every issue this
country has ever faced! They were against Abolishing
Slavery, Civil Rights, Women’s Suffrage, Gay Rights,
Minimum Wage, Child Labor Laws, Abolishing Indentured
Servitude, Abortion Rights, Pollution Laws, etc.,
etc., etc!So, where’s the morality in the Republican Party
again? Kinda answers why Newt Gingrich disappeared
from the public eye when they went after Clinton for
cheating on his wife. Not only did Newt do that, but
he served her with divorce papers while she was
getting chemotherapy for cancer! What a great
moralist! How about Laura Bush getting drunk and
driving a car into, and killing, her ex-boyfriend!
So damn moral! And then there’s Bush getting a
free ride out of serving in Vietnam, then lying about
it! So moral, those Republicans
Posted by Wade Xavier on Nov 24, 2004 at 11:42 PM Oh my gawd! I can’t believe some of these posts!
Do these hick Conservatives really think that
they’re making a strong case when they write things
like:“Oh well GTM I am sorry that you think me
and George are dumb-boy my feelings are really
hurt when someone of your caliber disparages me
and the Prez.”Great English skills, dude!
Or how about “And you know what I really
don’t care a damn what happens in some third
world sewer.”That last one really gets me! Isn’t Iraq a
“third world sewer”? Your daddy, Bush, sure
seems to “care a damn” (nice phrase..make that
up yourself, Einstein?) what goes on there…so
much that he’s sending our sons and daughters to
die for their freedom!Then he goes on to repeat even more Limbaugh mantras:
“Liberals are morally corrupt and mentally
incompotent to even formulate an opinion.”First of all, the word is “incompetent.” Second,
you need to read your history, ass wad. Conservatives
have been on the wrong side of every issue this
country has ever faced! They were against Abolishing
Slavery, Civil Rights, Women’s Suffrage, Gay Rights,
Minimum Wage, Child Labor Laws, Abolishing Indentured
Servitude, Abortion Rights, Pollution Laws, etc.,
etc., etc!So, where’s the morality in the Republican Party
again? Kinda answers why Newt Gingrich disappeared
from the public eye when they went after Clinton for
cheating on his wife. Not only did Newt do that, but
he served her with divorce papers while she was
getting chemotherapy for cancer! What a great
moralist! How about Laura Bush getting drunk and
driving a car into, and killing, her ex-boyfriend!
So damn moral! And then there’s Bush getting a
free ride out of serving in Vietnam, then lying about
it! So moral, those Republicans!
Posted by Wade Xavier on Nov 24, 2004 at 11:43 PM Check out Fahrenhype 9/11 (no not Fahrenheit 9/11 I can spell)
If it wassnt for a president like Bush, you wouldn’t have the right to complain so openly. You liberals should be thankful.
Lastly, I’m glad Bush won. I don’t need the country I live in, to be run by a quitter.
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