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“It will take the full attention of several future White House administrations and money we don’t have to overcome the effect of George W. Bush’s brand of patriotism and his understanding of “evil” terrorists.”
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Perhaps, that might be true if Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik were to win in the upcoming elections but if Kerry wins—and this is starting to look like a real possibility—it is probably going to take a lot longer than a mere “several future” admins’ full time efforts.
It is becoming sadly (and increasingly) clear that any differences in foreign policy between Kerry and Bush will be ones of degrees rather than principle. Or acknowledgment of objective reality.
Posted by Mark Quon on Oct 25, 2004 at 4:43 PM
Bush is the biggest Terrorist ,eve3n 10 Times bigger than Sadam .
Posted by Guenter Schnack on Oct 25, 2004 at 10:05 PM
Dear Sir/Madam
Kerry has been assailed by Bush(and his intellectual camp followers such as the Daily Telegraph’s Mark Steyn) as a “flip-flopper”, but whatever “flip-flops” the Democratic Presidential candidate has made on Iraq have been more than equalled by “Dubya”- first the rationale for “regime change” in Iraq was the threat of WMDs and alleged Iraqi ties to AL Qaeda , now it’s about freeing the Iraqi people. Now who’s really “flip-flopping”?!
Terry Washington
147 Longley Rd
Tooting, London SW17 9LD
UK
Posted by Terry Washington on Oct 25, 2004 at 10:36 PM
...guess “in God we tust”, as Foreign Policy, would bout fill in 6 - 10
...This Bush Administration’s policies have taken tens of millions of righteous “born again Americans” and morphed them into murderous warmongering evangelicals with “god on their side”... it even says so!
Posted by Darkhorse on Oct 25, 2004 at 11:01 PM
Why do all these “pro-lifers” not care about the 10 000 innocents killed in the insane invasion of Iraq?
Posted by Nova on Oct 26, 2004 at 1:03 AM
War against terrorism is a contradiction in term.
War is terrorism = terrorism against terrorism.
Posted by Rolf on Oct 26, 2004 at 1:50 AM
Here’s some info on the author of this article (taken from Lewrockwell.com)
“Karen Kwiatkowski is a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, who spent her final four and a half years in uniform working at the Pentagon. She now lives with her freedom-loving family in the Shenandoah Valley, and writes a bi-weekly column on defense issues with a libertarian perspective for militaryweek.com. She’s voting for Badnarik in November, as a matter of principle.”
She knows what she’s talking about. I’ve been reading her essay’s for years.
Posted by Gary on Oct 26, 2004 at 6:03 AM
Gary
Yes I have also read her work for several years and she has the inside track on what is happening
and is very knowledgeable. Last year about this time she and along with others put out a CD, a documentary about the lead up to the Iraqi war documenting the enormous amount of distorted facts and spin the Bush,Cheny, Wolfie, The dark prince, and others with the American Enterprise Institute along with others used to justify their preemptive policies and how the American people took it hook, line and sinker. The documentary is called The Whole truth about the Iraqi war.
Those speaking on the documentary are professions who have been with the agency for years and came forward in opposition to the war. It is a completly credible documentary and Karen is also in the film.
One of the last statements in the film is by an agency analyst with 20+ years doing such work and it was wonderfully appropriate: THE LAST HARBOR OF SCOUNDRELS IS PATRIOTISM
Posted by Rolf on Oct 26, 2004 at 6:53 AM
How can Bush Jr. say he is more qualified than Kerry to protect the nation’s security? Bush Jr. was commander-in-chief when the terrorists attacked and killed 3,000 Americans. Does that qualify as a reason to vote Bush? Why doesn’t anyone make an issue of the fact Bush Jr. failed to protect the U.S. on 9-11? Is there something sacred about the fact? Somewhere it should more directly enter into Kerry’s line of attack on his opponent.
Posted by R. Poynton on Oct 26, 2004 at 7:07 AM
R. Poynton
I think Bush J. truly believes he is more qualified and has yes men surrounding him all of the time. They are in the corridorrs of power far removed from the real world. They are disconnected, focused only on their own ambitions.
Though they will tell us that it is we who do not know.
Their language is the language of retoric, double speak where peace is perpetual war and war is perpetual peace.
Tragically Kerry is also a Warrior though he has the potential to be more cooperative and seek advise and council from old friends and used to be allies and he has the potential to rebuild Americas credibility in the world which has been virtually distroyed these past 4 years. Fear and hatred towards America is the predominating world feeling. Tragic truly tragic. In all of the years and all of the messes America has gotten herself into the present resentment in the world towards America is the worst I have experienced.
I hope America will survive it.
If one has to choose between two evils the third choice is to walk away if one has the possibility.
Posted by Rolf on Oct 26, 2004 at 7:39 AM
YAY Karen: you are a great military hero, serving the real government, the authentic nation. Many thanks.
Posted by AWS on Oct 26, 2004 at 7:58 AM
My main concern is when the US economy collapses and the American empire is eclipsed by China that Canada will be caught in the ‘blowback’.
The US needs to stop meddling in the affairs of other nations and concentrate on fixing what’s wrong at home.
North America needs to adopt an isolationist policy similiar to Switzerland. Let Africa, Asia, and Europe deal with their own problems.
Posted by James on Oct 26, 2004 at 8:04 AM
Kwiatkowski quotes Tom Paine to the effect that Bush has ignored reality. However, his followers say that they are the creators of reality. Reality is what they say it is. As Ron Suskind quotes a Bush aide in a recent New York Times Magazine article, “We’re an empire now and when we act, we create our own reality.” Even after no discovery of WMDs and no collaborative link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, a majority of Americans still believe there was such a link. Like German fascism, Americans have blindly followed der furhrer. We no longer have to wonder how barbarism came to Germany. Indeed, was September 11 really what we have been led to believe?
Posted by Perry Taka on Oct 26, 2004 at 8:25 AM
AWS
The authentic nation is the Indian nation and it will be some while before it is again realized.
Perhaps renewed after the high tec. era is over.
Though it will not be in our life times.
James
I personally enjoy the works of Noam Chomsky and Chalmers Johnson which might interest you.
Chomskys resent book HEGEMONY OR SURVIVAL
AND Chalmers Johnsons book THE SORROWS OF EMPIRE
are both insightfull works and detail structures and consequences.
Perry Taka
Reality TV:) George Orwells work was very profetic:)
Posted by Rolf on Oct 26, 2004 at 8:45 AM
If they see Kerry as such a threat to national security as they describe, I can’t imagine Dubya and Cheney accepting a Kerry victory, regardless of the margin.
Posted by coal_train on Oct 26, 2004 at 12:20 PM
Does it really make a difference which candidate to win? Seriously one is smarter but the more I listen to them or their running mates the more I am convinced they are singing the same song. Dean had the answer for “my” prayers, but they did a good job in the warmonger media outlets to portrait him as a loser who can’t have a grip on his emotions let alonge this country. Edwards spoke of the right of Israel to defend itself as an “obligation” towards freedom. Palestinians have no right to defend themselves, their land or anything in that matter. When would politicians realize that cuddling with one side in the middle east against the other no matter what crimes are comitted is not going to bring us peace. Kerry will never leave Iraq, not for the next 20 years no one is leaving Iraq. Got to guard the oil fields. Kerry and Bush differ in one thing, Bush thinks Iran or Syria should be next, neocon democrats including Edwards and Kerry think it should be the Saudies. Great message to send to “allies” in the time of war against terror! I can’t see any light in this tunnel. Should we get Bush off his Throne? YOU BET. But will it make a difference… regretfully.. NO!
Posted by T> E on Oct 26, 2004 at 12:24 PM
Write on COAL-TRAIN Write on:)
Though it will be interesting to watch what happens when the Americans really get pissed off at the shafting:)
Posted by Rolf on Oct 26, 2004 at 12:29 PM
T>E
I had the preference of Kucinich but knew he did not sit well with most Americans. It appears each election the Americans want a warrior.
Bush and Kerry are old Yale frats. Life time members of the Skull and Bones.
Yes it is tragic T>E the powers that be and it appears that the American people do not have much to say about it or are perhaps to frightened to do much about the situation. I believe most Americans are a peace loving people and are confused by all of what is happening in the outer world of which they had nothing to do with it. Their fellow Super Patriot Americans are the ones responsible for much of the messes through the years. www.soaw.org
Posted by Rolf on Oct 26, 2004 at 12:50 PM
Well, my fellow Americans, shall we all just bend over and allow fascist neo-cons shaft us. I’ve noticed that neo-cons have recently defected to the Kerry camp. What do you imagine their game is? As the above posters have noted there isn’t much difference in Kerry’s and Bush’s foreign policy. Kerry basically says he’ll do it better, which I take to mean his international war crimes will have better cover. Basically if both parties lie—Democrats did as much to discredit Dean—will the election be legitimate and command our recognition and allegiance. I think not. The government, either Democrats or Republicans will in essence be an outlaw regime in the same manner as the National Socialists in Weimar Germany. We will have every reason to resist by civil disobediance its dictates. We cannot be governed by the Ayatollahs [i.e., fundamentalists] of the Republican party nor by sycophant Sharonites of the Democratic party. Why not do something novel, and pursue American interests, and not “go in search of monsters,” as John Quincy Adams advised.
Posted by ptaka on Oct 26, 2004 at 1:58 PM
Its nice to read posts that are deep in thought and rationality.
Although I disagree with many of you, that Kerry and Bush will differ by only a few degrees. They will differ by seasons.
Kerry is articulate, thoughtful, and intelligent. All the things that you want in a president and all the things that george Bush does not have.
Some of you may consider Kerry the lesser of two evils, but I see him as the better of two choices.
Posted by Alex on Oct 26, 2004 at 4:25 PM
For all you readers under 34, www.enjoythedraft.com
Posted by Collin Baber on Oct 26, 2004 at 6:43 PM
To the right and honorable Alex, I respectfully disagree. Before the exit of Dean, Kerry was dismissive of the antiwar movement. Oft stating peace activists needed “to get over it.” That is, the reality on the ground demanded we get behind the war crimes committed by the Bush administration. The stain upon America can only be removed by withdrawal from Iraq, and making our leaders accountable. Have you ever wondered why Bush refused to be a signatory to the International Criminal Court before Sept. 11? I suspect administration legal experts knew any such invasion of Iraq was a violation of international law. Second I would argue that Bush knew well in advance that there were no WMDs in Iraq by the sheer fact our military massed troops on the Kuwaiti border, something that would be suicidal if Iraq really had such weapons. How about massing troops on North Korea’s borders if we were going to invade them? Fat chance. That would be inviting catastrophe. If Kerry wanted to separate himself from Bush, he need only renounce the doctrine of preemption. I would ask my right honorable friend how you ask the last American casualty in Iraq to not just die for a mistake, but a cold calculated lie. Anyway voting in and of itself will not preserve democracy, because there was plenty of voting in the old Soviet Union. Democracy demands genuinely different choices; of which both Democrats and Republicans have sought to deny American citizens.
Posted by ptaka on Oct 26, 2004 at 9:38 PM
Yes, The doctrine of preemptive strike.
Totally illegal under international law.
Rogue State,
yes it would certainly be reassuring to hear Kerry renounce such activity, such activity of which he himself and his boat crew did themselves partisipate in many years ago. 20+ kills, 20+ dried ears hanging from the belt. Medals can be returned, though those lives can never be replaced. What would Americans think and feel if such activities had occured in the countryside and in the streets of their own country? Can they even comprehend such a nightmare? 3000+ people died one day in America and America went into collective psychosis. And much of the worlds people felt deeply sorry for America and very disapointed by Americas Stimulus Response Reaction
of which the present day Iraq is a direct consequence.
Yes, The International Criminal Court recently ratified by a number of countries not bought off by America.
And the new Double Speak of the Bush administration, “Enemy Combatants” not having any human rights, and is America farming out its interogation to countries which have no qualms in brutalizing the human body even though it is well documented such procedures seldom produce the wanted results.?
www.amnesty.org
www.humanrightswatch.org
Posted by Rolf on Oct 27, 2004 at 1:24 AM
Talk about double speak and Bush HATRED! Just more liberal crap. No one with any brains would accept that BUSH has been responsible for these things. And God help America and Israel if Kerry is elected.
He has 37 “PLANS” to make it all better but he does not DARE tell anyone what they are for fear of them panicking…
God bless,us everyone.
Posted by Donald Farr on Oct 27, 2004 at 8:18 AM
Rolf,
Kwiatkowski writes that the lack of progress in the peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians is one of the failures of the Bush administration. However, perhaps it is not so much a failure as an objective of the neo-cons who are guiding our foreign policy. The doctrine of preemption is precisely the criminal behavior being pursued by Sharon in the Palestinian territory. Obviously, if the U.S. is practising such policy, we are unable to bring any pressure upon Israel to amend their ways. And perhaps this is also why Kerry will not renounce the doctrine of preemption—he is simply biased in favor of Israel. Without an even handed approach to the Mideast conflict the U.S. is clearly headed for disaster in the region. Minimally, a regional conflict, and a preemptive strike against Iran. Have you noticed how the corporate press has been playing up the Iran threat in much the same manner it helped promote the Iraq war. Yet, the country with known nuclear weapons and indeed the missile technology to deliver them, North Korea, gets kid glove treatment from both Kerry and Bush. Well the message is very clear to countries around the world, if you have, i.e., really have, WMDs, then you are not going to be preempted. Quite frankly our foreign policy must lead to nuclear proliferation, and increases the likelihood of armageddon; however, if will be nothing more than a self fulfilling prophecy. It will satisfy the warped sensibilities of the religious ayatollahs that surround Bush, and no doubt Bush himself. Come Nov. 3, the world will be a more dangerous place, no matter who is elected until Americans restore real choice to their electoral process.
Posted by ptaka on Oct 27, 2004 at 9:06 AM
Why does the US, specifically under the Bush adminstration believe it has the right to impose its will and its brand of ‘democracy’ on the peoples of the world? Are we forgetting that under America’s peculiar brand of ‘democratic’apartheid, blacks were denied their civil rights right up to 1965 when the Voting Rights Act was passed? The US has overthrown more elected governments than any other empire using spurious claims of fighting ‘communism’ and ‘bringing democracy.’ If George Bush is elected on November 2 [he was appointed in 2000] the gulf of hatred between the US and the rest of the world will grow exponentially. Americans need to realise that their country under Bush rule has drifted perilously close to the place Germany was in the 1930s and that does NOT make the world safer.
Posted by Amengeo on Oct 27, 2004 at 9:13 AM
Ptaka,
Your paranoid conspiracy thinking explains it all, as usual.
Amengeo,
I’m sure you would be happy to have all of those socialist, communist, dictatorships still in force.
Get over your defeat in 2000! Just admit you hate Bush not for what he has done (or not done) but because he isn’t a socialist stooge. We have only “drifted” from some nations because they lost their rights to “steal” from the Food for Oil program. TOO BAD!
Posted by Donald Farr on Oct 27, 2004 at 10:50 AM
Perry Taka
No you do not have paranoid conspiracy thinking.
And yes it does appear also to me that the pre-emptive strike policies does increase proliferation and certainly is an enormously destablizing factor. The bully on the block is going to kick anybodies ass who does not tow the line as the old cowboys would have said it:)
Another way of viewing the pre-emptive policy is for example:
My neighbors house is 50 meters from my yard. I have seen him look strangly at me this week and I think he is going to hurt me and perhaps damage my house and come to my house and kill me, because I have my policy of pre-emptive strike I have the right to go to my neighbors house and murder my neighbor so my neighbor can not cause me harm in the future. Since I do not believe in the laws established by the world society I live in I do not have to abide by them.”
With the example, simple though it is illustrates
houses as individual countries. If paranoid thinking processes begin to dominate, pre-emptive strike policies will have enormously damaging consequences for peace and world stability.
Donald Farr:
Here at this site you will find your dictators:
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Dictators/Friendly-Dictators.html
Posted by Rolf on Oct 27, 2004 at 11:27 AM
Rolf
Sooooo?
Guess you “sky is falling” liberals can’t blame all this on Bush. And what do you think Kerry would do to make it all RIGHT? I sure hope you do waste your vote on the “pie in the sky” ‘other’ party candidate.
I will be giving my support to Bush as I did my commander in chief during difficult times.
God bless,
=;-Don
Posted by Donald Farr on Oct 27, 2004 at 12:40 PM
Donald Farr
If your countries leaders will abide by your countries founding fathers written constitution
and adhere and abide by International laws and treats as all members of the United Nations in good standing are required to do, perhaps the sky will not fall.
www.envirosagainstwar.org
Posted by Rolf on Oct 27, 2004 at 1:03 PM
Donald Farr, if you don’t like conspiracy theories why do you seem to approve of Bush’s conspiracy theory linking Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda and the weapons of mass destruction? As a Bush acolyte you believed that conspiracy theory did you not? Admittedly, my conspiracies don’t have the panache of the Bush theories demanding American lives and treasure, but it is a fact that neo-cons like Feith and Wurmser, high ranking officials of the administration have ties to the Likud party in Israel. Could their judgement have been a tad bit biased? Sen. Levin seems to think so and has accused Feith of slanting intelligence for the Iraq war. Do you think he is a conspiracy nut as well? Senators Chuck Hagel, Richard Lugar, General Zinni also have similarly harsh words for the neo-cons, going as far as accusing them of dereliction of duty. Donald, I’m afraid the usual dismissive label of conspiracy nut is not going to save the day because the light is definitely being cast upon shadowy figures of the neo-con cabal. Or perhaps what you find uncomfortable as former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft has asserted is that Bush, G.W. that is, appears to be wrapped around Sharon’s finger. I don’t hate G.W. Bush. I simply believe he is wrong for world peace, and not balanced in his approach to the Mideast peace process. But I also believe Kerry is also not being forthcoming on these issues. Have you never questioned where such an un-American foreign policy as preemption originated?
Posted by ptaka on Oct 27, 2004 at 1:37 PM
Donald Farr,
...why categorize accurate analysis of horrendously flawed Bush Administration policies/actions as “double speak, Bush Hatred, and just more liberal crap”?
...and, “No one with any brains would accept that BUSH has been responsible for these things” ...tell that to those 100,000 Iraqis whose brains have been blow into mist by your heros.
Posted by darkhorse on Oct 29, 2004 at 11:51 PM
Dear All
So, the “October Surprise” of Osama Bin Laden has raised its head. Not with the Al Qaeda leader in chains and orange jumpsuit doing the “perp walk” by a triumphant Bush Administration. But with the sudden statements , first by “Azzam the American”( how can he have lived in America but failed to understand the spirit of its people?) and then by Osama Bin Laden himself, he has reminded us not so subtly in the closing days of the Presidential election campaign that he is still at large. So who does( assuming he doesn’t give a damn as to who really wins on Tuesday) the Al Qaeda chief and his acoltyes really prefer as President?
Personally (at the risk of causing apoplexy to Bush partisans), I suspect that the true"Al Qaeda candidate” is the current incumbent. Four more years of “Dubya” in the Oval Office and the estrangement between the Muslim world and the US( and possibly the EU) might well become permanent- virtually music to Islamic fundamentalist ears.
Terry Washington
147 Longley Rd
Tooting
London SW17 9LD
UK
Posted by Terry Washington on Oct 30, 2004 at 2:11 AM
Terry
Yes, Bush has dramatically aided al Qaeda, and the insurgency. The army originally said there were a few thousand insurgents, then it became 5,000, and more recently 20,000. Military experts on operations in urban terrain estimate you need a 10:1 ratio to be effective. That leaves the U.S. about 70,000 troops short just to restore order. However, the situation will not improve with Kerry. Like Lyndon B. Johnson, he will escalate and widen the war to Iran or Syria. Both Kerry and Edwards have given unqualified support to Likud Party ambitions. Kerry has already voiced 100% support of Bush’s support of Sharon’s plan for annexation of Palestinian territory in violation of international law. With China signing agreements with Iran, as well as Putin, the widening war will bring the major nuclear powers into conflict over dwindling oil resources. Terrorism will soon take a back seat to the real possibility of nuclear confrontation. Russia has already delivered advanced missile technology to Iran, such as the Sunburn missile. Neither Bush nor Kerry will make the world safer.
Posted by ptaka on Nov 1, 2004 at 7:50 AM
I am speaking to all of you now. We will be attacking the weapons industries and all of its tentecles. All of its distruction is necessary for the survival of humanity.
We will do what we have to do for the survival of the earth and humanity.
If we are as a humnam specie are to continue throught the now 6th Great Extinction we must first begin to cooperate with one another.
The weapons industries goal is to profit from death and distruction. Those who own and profit from all, are themselves lives of lux.
Let us now begin.
Take out the farm.
Rolf
Posted by Rolf on Nov 3, 2004 at 2:22 PM
Rolf’s rambling…
If that is a threat, it is versed like an idiot. Rambling against industry (especially one that helps keep us - yes you - secure) doesn’t make much sense.
Was it the election defeat that caused you to write “If we are as a humnam specie are to continue throught the now 6th Great Extinction…” If not, you should seek psychological help before you “Take out the farm.”
God bless us one and all.
Don
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 3, 2004 at 6:30 PM
Donald Duck
No it is not a threat, it is a promise.
Rolf:)
Posted by Rolf on Nov 4, 2004 at 1:18 AM
Do you have arms on your body Donald Farr(fair)(far)
Do you “live on the farm” Donald Duck?’
Are those at “the farm” murderers Donald Duck?
Or do you know what “the farm” is? Donald Duck
Posted by Rolf on Nov 4, 2004 at 2:28 AM
Rolf Rolf! is your bite as bad as your bark?
I guess you think you know who are murderers (in your warped way of thinking) but why then don’t you have guts enough to say who you think they are? Or do you think that the promise to “take out the farm” hides your terrorist ambitions? Don’t you wish you were taken seriously? Thank God you aren’t.
Donald (not ducking).
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 4, 2004 at 8:34 AM
Donald
Fine that you have a sense of humor Donald.
www.occupationwatch.org
Posted by Rolf on Nov 4, 2004 at 10:35 AM
Dear all
Well it’s all over now-but where do we (or more to the point , the US) go from here. Already we are getting charges of “anti-Americanism” ( which oddly enough has never been accurately defined, much like “pornography”) for failing to offer hosannas to Dubya( first from boorish blockheads such as Mark Steyn in the Spectator( and the Daily Telegraph along with sister neo-con Janet Daley)- curiously enough the aforementioned Steyn is a Canadian . Personally speaking as one who has not just good friends but relatives( several of whom are naturalized US citizens)living in the US(mainly in the Philadelphia area), I remain dumbfounded by this jibe. Yes, I admit I’m no fan of “The Toxic Texan”( he reputedly hates this phrase), I have travelled in the US and observed decency, humanity and compassion in individual Americans, not just celebs like Drew Barrymore or Sharon Stone but also in “ordinary stiffs” such as my friends Jim McFadden and Frank McHale- the trouble is I don’t see the same qualities in the US Government( or at least to the same extent- I should admit my bias I’m a big fan of Drew’s).
Does anybody have any views in re “anti-Americanism?”
Terry Washington
147 Longley Rd
Tooting London SW17 9LD
UK
Posted by Terry Washington on Nov 6, 2004 at 3:20 AM
Terry;
No it certainly is not being anti-american to be opposed to genocide. 2 to 3 million+ human beings were liquidated in Southeast Asea by American foreign policies during the 60s and into the early 70s.
All through South America, American foreign policies have reaped death and distruction for decades, men women and children. www.soaw.org
No it is not Anti-American to be opposed to genocide. It is Anti-American to support policies of genocide, death and distruction. www.vitw.org
It is Anti-American to support such a regime as the Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Wolfwitze,Ashcroft neo-con cabal. It is Anti-American not to oppose such a brutal group of war criminals.
Posted by Rolf on Nov 6, 2004 at 3:45 AM
To see how Americans voted, see:
http://www.exacttarget.com/members/images/3978004603253.gif
It is genocide when we aid S. Vietnam, S. Korea, and Israel from genocide (from groups that try to destroy these nations and that vow to kill ALL of us - including you deluded socialist liberal, yes, Anti Americans? You would do what? Ask the UN to pass a resolution?
We will continue to support our elected government and our honorable, decent, human and compassionate Commander-in-Chief to destroy terrorists wherever they stand. You can protest, stand by and watch or move to Canada if you choose. But please take those Hollywood whiners with you… The MOORE the merrier!
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 6, 2004 at 9:25 AM
Donald
Your government officals(your heros) are men with hands drenched in human blood. The blood of men, women and children who never did any harm to anyone and their only fault was not being an American. Those are men who use such words as Colateral Damage and give apologizes while eating a piece of candy. It has nothing to do with isms Donald but everything to do with natural resources and the greatest resource humanity has, Is Life Itself and not just American life.
Perhaps Donald someday you will come to know such but until you do there is nothing more for us to discuss and I suggest you do a bit of reading at the web sites I have provided.
Posted by Rolf on Nov 6, 2004 at 12:23 PM
Rolf
How great it must be to have ALL that knowledge (and not know how to use the word ‘apologies’). But then you ‘better than thou’ liberals always dismiss everyone with “I suggest you do a bit of reading at the web sites I have provided.” I don’t need any more “hate America” blather. You never answer questions as to what YOU WOULD do but I’m sure you have a plan. I don’t suppose it would mean getting blood on your hands? Maybe you should try reading something with some reality instead of that ‘one world retreat until you are destroyed for peace’ crap.
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 6, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Donald;
I agree with chalmers Johnson, Abolish the CIA.
Donald do yourself a favor and go out and buy a fine book. Buy: THE SORROWS OF EMPIRE
Militarism, Secrecy, and the
End of the Republic.
Published 2004
ISBN 0-8050-7004-4
Chalmers Johnson is the Author of BLOWBACK
Farewell Donald and do not be to hard on yourself.
You have a right to be here, you are a child of the universe.
The vast majority of the worlds people want to live in peace Donald, provide and care for their children and grow old to enjoy their grandchildren. www.wagingpeace.org
Posted by Rolf on Nov 6, 2004 at 1:26 PM
Rolf
What a crock…
You say, “The vast majority of the worlds people want to live in peace Donald, provide and care for their children and grow old to enjoy their grandchildren”.
Why then does the world’s biggest religion teach from childhood that if you are not Muslim, you should be killed? Why? Why? Why?
Your whole philosophy sucks. But then I suspect you really know that all ready.
You can’t have your PEACE and FREEDOM too unless someone kills to maintain it.
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 6, 2004 at 1:36 PM
“You can’t have your PEACE and FREEDOM too unless someone kills to maintain it.”
... the fataly flawed moral majority, while espousing pro-life and “thou shalt not kill” ...you’re quacking up Donald!!!
Posted by Darkhorse on Nov 7, 2004 at 1:04 AM
Now I understand what “Darkhorse” means…
I guess you would deny the history of the world.
PEACE be with you. I sincerely hope you can find that Utopia. It’s obvious you would never work for it or defend it.
Cheers
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 7, 2004 at 9:00 AM
“I guess you would deny the history of the world”
...I suppose by that you would mean the danger of warmongering savages, such as yourself, endlessly repeating your inexcusable actions, without ever comprehending the mainstay axiom of “Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat it”.
...does advocating those murderous actions give you a thrill Donald?
Posted by Darkhorse on Nov 7, 2004 at 9:35 PM
Donald
Were you raised in a non-functioning family, toxic parents situation with an alcoholic abusive father who repeatedly beat you and denied you peace? Did your mother not provide you with breast milk when you were in the first few months of your life?
The profile of your responses indicates that you are a very frightened, insecure and xenophobic
human being suffering from retarded childhood development.It appears you were traumatized while a child which you have carried with you into adulthood.
Xenophobia is a serious disfunction affecting many millions of Americans and is often rooted in those having had Toxic Parents.
Posted by Karl on Nov 8, 2004 at 1:02 AM
PEAK OIL will solve the Empires global domination
and shut down its Space Superiority Doctrine.:)
An interesting though almost histerical site:)
www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
Posted by Rolf on Nov 8, 2004 at 9:03 AM
Ha ha… Talk about misguided!
I had fantastic parents and a close loving family, growing up in the heart of this fine nation. I served my country protecting ‘your rights’ to be stupid and to protest everything including your “anti-government, anti-Christian, anti-decency, retreat to peace at any cost” values.
The election WAS about values, but not yours. And your concern about my imagined xenophobia stemming from a retarded childhood sounds like an admission of your own warped adulthood. As a Psychologist, I can only recommend that you get help (or move to Canada).
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 8, 2004 at 9:16 AM
Donald
Your response is a typical one for those in denial.
Posted by Karl on Nov 8, 2004 at 9:25 AM
He he…
That is just what I told you. I’m glad that you were listening. You REALLY should get help.
Posted by Donald E. Farr on Nov 8, 2004 at 9:36 AM
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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“It will take the full attention of several future White House administrations and money we don’t have to overcome the effect of George W. Bush’s brand of patriotism and his understanding of “evil” terrorists.”
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Perhaps, that might be true if Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik were to win in the upcoming elections but if Kerry wins—and this is starting to look like a real possibility—it is probably going to take a lot longer than a mere “several future” admins’ full time efforts.
It is becoming sadly (and increasingly) clear that any differences in foreign policy between Kerry and Bush will be ones of degrees rather than principle. Or acknowledgment of objective reality.
Bush is the biggest Terrorist ,eve3n 10 Times bigger than Sadam .
Dear Sir/Madam
Kerry has been assailed by Bush(and his intellectual camp followers such as the Daily Telegraph’s Mark Steyn) as a “flip-flopper”, but whatever “flip-flops” the Democratic Presidential candidate has made on Iraq have been more than equalled by “Dubya”- first the rationale for “regime change” in Iraq was the threat of WMDs and alleged Iraqi ties to AL Qaeda , now it’s about freeing the Iraqi people. Now who’s really “flip-flopping”?!
Terry Washington
147 Longley Rd
Tooting, London SW17 9LD
UK
...guess “in God we tust”, as Foreign Policy, would bout fill in 6 - 10
...This Bush Administration’s policies have taken tens of millions of righteous “born again Americans” and morphed them into murderous warmongering evangelicals with “god on their side”... it even says so!
Why do all these “pro-lifers” not care about the 10 000 innocents killed in the insane invasion of Iraq?
War against terrorism is a contradiction in term.
War is terrorism = terrorism against terrorism.
Here’s some info on the author of this article (taken from Lewrockwell.com)
“Karen Kwiatkowski is a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, who spent her final four and a half years in uniform working at the Pentagon. She now lives with her freedom-loving family in the Shenandoah Valley, and writes a bi-weekly column on defense issues with a libertarian perspective for militaryweek.com. She’s voting for Badnarik in November, as a matter of principle.”
She knows what she’s talking about. I’ve been reading her essay’s for years.
Gary
Yes I have also read her work for several years and she has the inside track on what is happening
and is very knowledgeable. Last year about this time she and along with others put out a CD, a documentary about the lead up to the Iraqi war documenting the enormous amount of distorted facts and spin the Bush,Cheny, Wolfie, The dark prince, and others with the American Enterprise Institute along with others used to justify their preemptive policies and how the American people took it hook, line and sinker. The documentary is called The Whole truth about the Iraqi war.
Those speaking on the documentary are professions who have been with the agency for years and came forward in opposition to the war. It is a completly credible documentary and Karen is also in the film.
One of the last statements in the film is by an agency analyst with 20+ years doing such work and it was wonderfully appropriate: THE LAST HARBOR OF SCOUNDRELS IS PATRIOTISM
How can Bush Jr. say he is more qualified than Kerry to protect the nation’s security? Bush Jr. was commander-in-chief when the terrorists attacked and killed 3,000 Americans. Does that qualify as a reason to vote Bush? Why doesn’t anyone make an issue of the fact Bush Jr. failed to protect the U.S. on 9-11? Is there something sacred about the fact? Somewhere it should more directly enter into Kerry’s line of attack on his opponent.
R. Poynton
I think Bush J. truly believes he is more qualified and has yes men surrounding him all of the time. They are in the corridorrs of power far removed from the real world. They are disconnected, focused only on their own ambitions.
Though they will tell us that it is we who do not know.
Their language is the language of retoric, double speak where peace is perpetual war and war is perpetual peace.
Tragically Kerry is also a Warrior though he has the potential to be more cooperative and seek advise and council from old friends and used to be allies and he has the potential to rebuild Americas credibility in the world which has been virtually distroyed these past 4 years. Fear and hatred towards America is the predominating world feeling. Tragic truly tragic. In all of the years and all of the messes America has gotten herself into the present resentment in the world towards America is the worst I have experienced.
I hope America will survive it.
If one has to choose between two evils the third choice is to walk away if one has the possibility.
YAY Karen: you are a great military hero, serving the real government, the authentic nation. Many thanks.
My main concern is when the US economy collapses and the American empire is eclipsed by China that Canada will be caught in the ‘blowback’.
The US needs to stop meddling in the affairs of other nations and concentrate on fixing what’s wrong at home.
North America needs to adopt an isolationist policy similiar to Switzerland. Let Africa, Asia, and Europe deal with their own problems.
Kwiatkowski quotes Tom Paine to the effect that Bush has ignored reality. However, his followers say that they are the creators of reality. Reality is what they say it is. As Ron Suskind quotes a Bush aide in a recent New York Times Magazine article, “We’re an empire now and when we act, we create our own reality.” Even after no discovery of WMDs and no collaborative link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, a majority of Americans still believe there was such a link. Like German fascism, Americans have blindly followed der furhrer. We no longer have to wonder how barbarism came to Germany. Indeed, was September 11 really what we have been led to believe?
AWS
The authentic nation is the Indian nation and it will be some while before it is again realized.
Perhaps renewed after the high tec. era is over.
Though it will not be in our life times.
James
I personally enjoy the works of Noam Chomsky and Chalmers Johnson which might interest you.
Chomskys resent book HEGEMONY OR SURVIVAL
AND Chalmers Johnsons book THE SORROWS OF EMPIRE
are both insightfull works and detail structures and consequences.
Perry Taka
Reality TV:) George Orwells work was very profetic:)
If they see Kerry as such a threat to national security as they describe, I can’t imagine Dubya and Cheney accepting a Kerry victory, regardless of the margin.
Does it really make a difference which candidate to win? Seriously one is smarter but the more I listen to them or their running mates the more I am convinced they are singing the same song. Dean had the answer for “my” prayers, but they did a good job in the warmonger media outlets to portrait him as a loser who can’t have a grip on his emotions let alonge this country. Edwards spoke of the right of Israel to defend itself as an “obligation” towards freedom. Palestinians have no right to defend themselves, their land or anything in that matter. When would politicians realize that cuddling with one side in the middle east against the other no matter what crimes are comitted is not going to bring us peace. Kerry will never leave Iraq, not for the next 20 years no one is leaving Iraq. Got to guard the oil fields. Kerry and Bush differ in one thing, Bush thinks Iran or Syria should be next, neocon democrats including Edwards and Kerry think it should be the Saudies. Great message to send to “allies” in the time of war against terror! I can’t see any light in this tunnel. Should we get Bush off his Throne? YOU BET. But will it make a difference… regretfully.. NO!
Write on COAL-TRAIN Write on:)
Though it will be interesting to watch what happens when the Americans really get pissed off at the shafting:)
T>E
I had the preference of Kucinich but knew he did not sit well with most Americans. It appears each election the Americans want a warrior.
Bush and Kerry are old Yale frats. Life time members of the Skull and Bones.
Yes it is tragic T>E the powers that be and it appears that the American people do not have much to say about it or are perhaps to frightened to do much about the situation. I believe most Americans are a peace loving people and are confused by all of what is happening in the outer world of which they had nothing to do with it. Their fellow Super Patriot Americans are the ones responsible for much of the messes through the years. www.soaw.org
Well, my fellow Americans, shall we all just bend over and allow fascist neo-cons shaft us. I’ve noticed that neo-cons have recently defected to the Kerry camp. What do you imagine their game is? As the above posters have noted there isn’t much difference in Kerry’s and Bush’s foreign policy. Kerry basically says he’ll do it better, which I take to mean his international war crimes will have better cover. Basically if both parties lie—Democrats did as much to discredit Dean—will the election be legitimate and command our recognition and allegiance. I think not. The government, either Democrats or Republicans will in essence be an outlaw regime in the same manner as the National Socialists in Weimar Germany. We will have every reason to resist by civil disobediance its dictates. We cannot be governed by the Ayatollahs [i.e., fundamentalists] of the Republican party nor by sycophant Sharonites of the Democratic party. Why not do something novel, and pursue American interests, and not “go in search of monsters,” as John Quincy Adams advised.
Its nice to read posts that are deep in thought and rationality.
Although I disagree with many of you, that Kerry and Bush will differ by only a few degrees. They will differ by seasons.
Kerry is articulate, thoughtful, and intelligent. All the things that you want in a president and all the things that george Bush does not have.
Some of you may consider Kerry the lesser of two evils, but I see him as the better of two choices.
For all you readers under 34, www.enjoythedraft.com
To the right and honorable Alex, I respectfully disagree. Before the exit of Dean, Kerry was dismissive of the antiwar movement. Oft stating peace activists needed “to get over it.” That is, the reality on the ground demanded we get behind the war crimes committed by the Bush administration. The stain upon America can only be removed by withdrawal from Iraq, and making our leaders accountable. Have you ever wondered why Bush refused to be a signatory to the International Criminal Court before Sept. 11? I suspect administration legal experts knew any such invasion of Iraq was a violation of international law. Second I would argue that Bush knew well in advance that there were no WMDs in Iraq by the sheer fact our military massed troops on the Kuwaiti border, something that would be suicidal if Iraq really had such weapons. How about massing troops on North Korea’s borders if we were going to invade them? Fat chance. That would be inviting catastrophe. If Kerry wanted to separate himself from Bush, he need only renounce the doctrine of preemption. I would ask my right honorable friend how you ask the last American casualty in Iraq to not just die for a mistake, but a cold calculated lie. Anyway voting in and of itself will not preserve democracy, because there was plenty of voting in the old Soviet Union. Democracy demands genuinely different choices; of which both Democrats and Republicans have sought to deny American citizens.
Yes, The doctrine of preemptive strike.
Totally illegal under international law.
Rogue State,
yes it would certainly be reassuring to hear Kerry renounce such activity, such activity of which he himself and his boat crew did themselves partisipate in many years ago. 20+ kills, 20+ dried ears hanging from the belt. Medals can be returned, though those lives can never be replaced. What would Americans think and feel if such activities had occured in the countryside and in the streets of their own country? Can they even comprehend such a nightmare? 3000+ people died one day in America and America went into collective psychosis. And much of the worlds people felt deeply sorry for America and very disapointed by Americas Stimulus Response Reaction
of which the present day Iraq is a direct consequence.
Yes, The International Criminal Court recently ratified by a number of countries not bought off by America.
And the new Double Speak of the Bush administration, “Enemy Combatants” not having any human rights, and is America farming out its interogation to countries which have no qualms in brutalizing the human body even though it is well documented such procedures seldom produce the wanted results.?
www.amnesty.org
www.humanrightswatch.org
Talk about double speak and Bush HATRED! Just more liberal crap. No one with any brains would accept that BUSH has been responsible for these things. And God help America and Israel if Kerry is elected.
He has 37 “PLANS” to make it all better but he does not DARE tell anyone what they are for fear of them panicking…
God bless,us everyone.
Rolf,
Kwiatkowski writes that the lack of progress in the peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians is one of the failures of the Bush administration. However, perhaps it is not so much a failure as an objective of the neo-cons who are guiding our foreign policy. The doctrine of preemption is precisely the criminal behavior being pursued by Sharon in the Palestinian territory. Obviously, if the U.S. is practising such policy, we are unable to bring any pressure upon Israel to amend their ways. And perhaps this is also why Kerry will not renounce the doctrine of preemption—he is simply biased in favor of Israel. Without an even handed approach to the Mideast conflict the U.S. is clearly headed for disaster in the region. Minimally, a regional conflict, and a preemptive strike against Iran. Have you noticed how the corporate press has been playing up the Iran threat in much the same manner it helped promote the Iraq war. Yet, the country with known nuclear weapons and indeed the missile technology to deliver them, North Korea, gets kid glove treatment from both Kerry and Bush. Well the message is very clear to countries around the world, if you have, i.e., really have, WMDs, then you are not going to be preempted. Quite frankly our foreign policy must lead to nuclear proliferation, and increases the likelihood of armageddon; however, if will be nothing more than a self fulfilling prophecy. It will satisfy the warped sensibilities of the religious ayatollahs that surround Bush, and no doubt Bush himself. Come Nov. 3, the world will be a more dangerous place, no matter who is elected until Americans restore real choice to their electoral process.
Why does the US, specifically under the Bush adminstration believe it has the right to impose its will and its brand of ‘democracy’ on the peoples of the world? Are we forgetting that under America’s peculiar brand of ‘democratic’apartheid, blacks were denied their civil rights right up to 1965 when the Voting Rights Act was passed? The US has overthrown more elected governments than any other empire using spurious claims of fighting ‘communism’ and ‘bringing democracy.’ If George Bush is elected on November 2 [he was appointed in 2000] the gulf of hatred between the US and the rest of the world will grow exponentially. Americans need to realise that their country under Bush rule has drifted perilously close to the place Germany was in the 1930s and that does NOT make the world safer.
Ptaka,
Your paranoid conspiracy thinking explains it all, as usual.
Amengeo,
I’m sure you would be happy to have all of those socialist, communist, dictatorships still in force.
Get over your defeat in 2000! Just admit you hate Bush not for what he has done (or not done) but because he isn’t a socialist stooge. We have only “drifted” from some nations because they lost their rights to “steal” from the Food for Oil program. TOO BAD!
Perry Taka
No you do not have paranoid conspiracy thinking.
And yes it does appear also to me that the pre-emptive strike policies does increase proliferation and certainly is an enormously destablizing factor. The bully on the block is going to kick anybodies ass who does not tow the line as the old cowboys would have said it:)
Another way of viewing the pre-emptive policy is for example:
My neighbors house is 50 meters from my yard. I have seen him look strangly at me this week and I think he is going to hurt me and perhaps damage my house and come to my house and kill me, because I have my policy of pre-emptive strike I have the right to go to my neighbors house and murder my neighbor so my neighbor can not cause me harm in the future. Since I do not believe in the laws established by the world society I live in I do not have to abide by them.”
With the example, simple though it is illustrates
houses as individual countries. If paranoid thinking processes begin to dominate, pre-emptive strike policies will have enormously damaging consequences for peace and world stability.
Donald Farr:
Here at this site you will find your dictators:
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Dictators/Friendly-Dictators.html
Donald Farr
Here at this site you will find your dictators:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dictators/Friendly_Dictators.html
Rolf
Sooooo?
Guess you “sky is falling” liberals can’t blame all this on Bush. And what do you think Kerry would do to make it all RIGHT? I sure hope you do waste your vote on the “pie in the sky” ‘other’ party candidate.
I will be giving my support to Bush as I did my commander in chief during difficult times.
God bless,
=;-Don
Donald Farr
If your countries leaders will abide by your countries founding fathers written constitution
and adhere and abide by International laws and treats as all members of the United Nations in good standing are required to do, perhaps the sky will not fall.
www.envirosagainstwar.org
Donald Farr, if you don’t like conspiracy theories why do you seem to approve of Bush’s conspiracy theory linking Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda and the weapons of mass destruction? As a Bush acolyte you believed that conspiracy theory did you not? Admittedly, my conspiracies don’t have the panache of the Bush theories demanding American lives and treasure, but it is a fact that neo-cons like Feith and Wurmser, high ranking officials of the administration have ties to the Likud party in Israel. Could their judgement have been a tad bit biased? Sen. Levin seems to think so and has accused Feith of slanting intelligence for the Iraq war. Do you think he is a conspiracy nut as well? Senators Chuck Hagel, Richard Lugar, General Zinni also have similarly harsh words for the neo-cons, going as far as accusing them of dereliction of duty. Donald, I’m afraid the usual dismissive label of conspiracy nut is not going to save the day because the light is definitely being cast upon shadowy figures of the neo-con cabal. Or perhaps what you find uncomfortable as former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft has asserted is that Bush, G.W. that is, appears to be wrapped around Sharon’s finger. I don’t hate G.W. Bush. I simply believe he is wrong for world peace, and not balanced in his approach to the Mideast peace process. But I also believe Kerry is also not being forthcoming on these issues. Have you never questioned where such an un-American foreign policy as preemption originated?
Donald Farr,
...why categorize accurate analysis of horrendously flawed Bush Administration policies/actions as “double speak, Bush Hatred, and just more liberal crap”?
...and, “No one with any brains would accept that BUSH has been responsible for these things” ...tell that to those 100,000 Iraqis whose brains have been blow into mist by your heros.
Dear All
So, the “October Surprise” of Osama Bin Laden has raised its head. Not with the Al Qaeda leader in chains and orange jumpsuit doing the “perp walk” by a triumphant Bush Administration. But with the sudden statements , first by “Azzam the American”( how can he have lived in America but failed to understand the spirit of its people?) and then by Osama Bin Laden himself, he has reminded us not so subtly in the closing days of the Presidential election campaign that he is still at large. So who does( assuming he doesn’t give a damn as to who really wins on Tuesday) the Al Qaeda chief and his acoltyes really prefer as President?
Personally (at the risk of causing apoplexy to Bush partisans), I suspect that the true"Al Qaeda candidate” is the current incumbent. Four more years of “Dubya” in the Oval Office and the estrangement between the Muslim world and the US( and possibly the EU) might well become permanent- virtually music to Islamic fundamentalist ears.
Terry Washington
147 Longley Rd
Tooting
London SW17 9LD
UK
Terry
Yes, Bush has dramatically aided al Qaeda, and the insurgency. The army originally said there were a few thousand insurgents, then it became 5,000, and more recently 20,000. Military experts on operations in urban terrain estimate you need a 10:1 ratio to be effective. That leaves the U.S. about 70,000 troops short just to restore order. However, the situation will not improve with Kerry. Like Lyndon B. Johnson, he will escalate and widen the war to Iran or Syria. Both Kerry and Edwards have given unqualified support to Likud Party ambitions. Kerry has already voiced 100% support of Bush’s support of Sharon’s plan for annexation of Palestinian territory in violation of international law. With China signing agreements with Iran, as well as Putin, the widening war will bring the major nuclear powers into conflict over dwindling oil resources. Terrorism will soon take a back seat to the real possibility of nuclear confrontation. Russia has already delivered advanced missile technology to Iran, such as the Sunburn missile. Neither Bush nor Kerry will make the world safer.
I am speaking to all of you now. We will be attacking the weapons industries and all of its tentecles. All of its distruction is necessary for the survival of humanity.
We will do what we have to do for the survival of the earth and humanity.
If we are as a humnam specie are to continue throught the now 6th Great Extinction we must first begin to cooperate with one another.
The weapons industries goal is to profit from death and distruction. Those who own and profit from all, are themselves lives of lux.
Let us now begin.
Take out the farm.
Rolf
Rolf’s rambling…
If that is a threat, it is versed like an idiot. Rambling against industry (especially one that helps keep us - yes you - secure) doesn’t make much sense.
Was it the election defeat that caused you to write “If we are as a humnam specie are to continue throught the now 6th Great Extinction…” If not, you should seek psychological help before you “Take out the farm.”
God bless us one and all.
Don
Donald Duck
No it is not a threat, it is a promise.
Rolf:)
Do you have arms on your body Donald Farr(fair)(far)
Do you “live on the farm” Donald Duck?’
Are those at “the farm” murderers Donald Duck?
Or do you know what “the farm” is? Donald Duck
Rolf Rolf! is your bite as bad as your bark?
I guess you think you know who are murderers (in your warped way of thinking) but why then don’t you have guts enough to say who you think they are? Or do you think that the promise to “take out the farm” hides your terrorist ambitions? Don’t you wish you were taken seriously? Thank God you aren’t.
Donald (not ducking).
Donald
Fine that you have a sense of humor Donald.
www.occupationwatch.org
Dear all
Well it’s all over now-but where do we (or more to the point , the US) go from here. Already we are getting charges of “anti-Americanism” ( which oddly enough has never been accurately defined, much like “pornography”) for failing to offer hosannas to Dubya( first from boorish blockheads such as Mark Steyn in the Spectator( and the Daily Telegraph along with sister neo-con Janet Daley)- curiously enough the aforementioned Steyn is a Canadian . Personally speaking as one who has not just good friends but relatives( several of whom are naturalized US citizens)living in the US(mainly in the Philadelphia area), I remain dumbfounded by this jibe. Yes, I admit I’m no fan of “The Toxic Texan”( he reputedly hates this phrase), I have travelled in the US and observed decency, humanity and compassion in individual Americans, not just celebs like Drew Barrymore or Sharon Stone but also in “ordinary stiffs” such as my friends Jim McFadden and Frank McHale- the trouble is I don’t see the same qualities in the US Government( or at least to the same extent- I should admit my bias I’m a big fan of Drew’s).
Does anybody have any views in re “anti-Americanism?”
Terry Washington
147 Longley Rd
Tooting London SW17 9LD
UK
Terry;
No it certainly is not being anti-american to be opposed to genocide. 2 to 3 million+ human beings were liquidated in Southeast Asea by American foreign policies during the 60s and into the early 70s.
All through South America, American foreign policies have reaped death and distruction for decades, men women and children. www.soaw.org
No it is not Anti-American to be opposed to genocide. It is Anti-American to support policies of genocide, death and distruction. www.vitw.org
It is Anti-American to support such a regime as the Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Wolfwitze,Ashcroft neo-con cabal. It is Anti-American not to oppose such a brutal group of war criminals.
To see how Americans voted, see:
http://www.exacttarget.com/members/images/3978004603253.gif
It is genocide when we aid S. Vietnam, S. Korea, and Israel from genocide (from groups that try to destroy these nations and that vow to kill ALL of us - including you deluded socialist liberal, yes, Anti Americans? You would do what? Ask the UN to pass a resolution?
We will continue to support our elected government and our honorable, decent, human and compassionate Commander-in-Chief to destroy terrorists wherever they stand. You can protest, stand by and watch or move to Canada if you choose. But please take those Hollywood whiners with you… The MOORE the merrier!
Donald
Your government officals(your heros) are men with hands drenched in human blood. The blood of men, women and children who never did any harm to anyone and their only fault was not being an American. Those are men who use such words as Colateral Damage and give apologizes while eating a piece of candy. It has nothing to do with isms Donald but everything to do with natural resources and the greatest resource humanity has, Is Life Itself and not just American life.
Perhaps Donald someday you will come to know such but until you do there is nothing more for us to discuss and I suggest you do a bit of reading at the web sites I have provided.
Rolf
How great it must be to have ALL that knowledge (and not know how to use the word ‘apologies’). But then you ‘better than thou’ liberals always dismiss everyone with “I suggest you do a bit of reading at the web sites I have provided.” I don’t need any more “hate America” blather. You never answer questions as to what YOU WOULD do but I’m sure you have a plan. I don’t suppose it would mean getting blood on your hands? Maybe you should try reading something with some reality instead of that ‘one world retreat until you are destroyed for peace’ crap.
Donald;
I agree with chalmers Johnson, Abolish the CIA.
Donald do yourself a favor and go out and buy a fine book. Buy: THE SORROWS OF EMPIRE
Militarism, Secrecy, and the
End of the Republic.
Published 2004
ISBN 0-8050-7004-4
Chalmers Johnson is the Author of BLOWBACK
Farewell Donald and do not be to hard on yourself.
You have a right to be here, you are a child of the universe.
The vast majority of the worlds people want to live in peace Donald, provide and care for their children and grow old to enjoy their grandchildren. www.wagingpeace.org
Rolf
What a crock…
You say, “The vast majority of the worlds people want to live in peace Donald, provide and care for their children and grow old to enjoy their grandchildren”.
Why then does the world’s biggest religion teach from childhood that if you are not Muslim, you should be killed? Why? Why? Why?
Your whole philosophy sucks. But then I suspect you really know that all ready.
You can’t have your PEACE and FREEDOM too unless someone kills to maintain it.
“You can’t have your PEACE and FREEDOM too unless someone kills to maintain it.”
... the fataly flawed moral majority, while espousing pro-life and “thou shalt not kill” ...you’re quacking up Donald!!!
Now I understand what “Darkhorse” means…
I guess you would deny the history of the world.
PEACE be with you. I sincerely hope you can find that Utopia. It’s obvious you would never work for it or defend it.
Cheers
“I guess you would deny the history of the world”
...I suppose by that you would mean the danger of warmongering savages, such as yourself, endlessly repeating your inexcusable actions, without ever comprehending the mainstay axiom of “Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat it”.
...does advocating those murderous actions give you a thrill Donald?
Donald
Were you raised in a non-functioning family, toxic parents situation with an alcoholic abusive father who repeatedly beat you and denied you peace? Did your mother not provide you with breast milk when you were in the first few months of your life?
The profile of your responses indicates that you are a very frightened, insecure and xenophobic
human being suffering from retarded childhood development.It appears you were traumatized while a child which you have carried with you into adulthood.
Xenophobia is a serious disfunction affecting many millions of Americans and is often rooted in those having had Toxic Parents.
PEAK OIL will solve the Empires global domination
and shut down its Space Superiority Doctrine.:)
An interesting though almost histerical site:)
www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
Ha ha… Talk about misguided!
I had fantastic parents and a close loving family, growing up in the heart of this fine nation. I served my country protecting ‘your rights’ to be stupid and to protest everything including your “anti-government, anti-Christian, anti-decency, retreat to peace at any cost” values.
The election WAS about values, but not yours. And your concern about my imagined xenophobia stemming from a retarded childhood sounds like an admission of your own warped adulthood. As a Psychologist, I can only recommend that you get help (or move to Canada).
Donald
Your response is a typical one for those in denial.
He he…
That is just what I told you. I’m glad that you were listening. You REALLY should get help.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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