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Salim, Why no mention of the allegations that Mr. Webb commited suicide with TWO .38 slugs delivered by a revolver? Just curious. Ed Davis
Posted by Dr.D on Dec 20, 2004 at 3:23 PM
There is probably no mention of the TWO slugs because there is no reason to make mention other to state the fact that there WERE two. There is no “conspiracy” regarding Gary’s death please do not attempt to stir up a non existent controversy. Gary took his life by his own hand. Any allegations of death other than suicide citing some conspiracy should be halted.
I was honored to work with Gary Webb at the California State Legislature. He was my friend and I shall miss him very much. Please do not dishonor his memory with talks of a conspiracy regarding his death. Please allow Gary to rest in the peace he desired. This was his choice. HIS choice.
It’s too bad the attention that Gary’s death received was not given when he was alive.
Posted by Charles Pattillo on Dec 20, 2004 at 8:21 PM
Uh . . . am I missing something here? Unless one misses very badly with the first shot, how is it possible to fire twice in commiting suicide?
Posted by Scott Semans on Dec 21, 2004 at 12:29 PM
Mr. Pattillo, Please accept my condolences to you on the death of your friend, Mr. Webb. I also have lost friends through violent means( one of them was a suicide), and I believe that I can empathize with your current feelings. But Sir, if the circumstances surrounding this tragedy are true, shouldn’t a thorough investigation ensue? A terrible crime may have been committed. Ed Davis.
Posted by Dr.D on Dec 21, 2004 at 2:50 PM
Dear Mr. Muwakkil—Please accept my condolences.
This obituary indeed suggests that the actions of the government in general and the CIA in general after the publication of Webb’s series of articles were tantamount to a cover-up. Do you think this is the case? Certainly were the CIA involved in drug trafficking—especially to American people—they would go great lengths to cover up any exposure; yet were the story unreliable, there would be the same denials, so how can we know for sure? On the other hand, the US government did conduct the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment on unwitting black men suffering from syphilis well into the 1970s, so the introduction of crack cocaine to Los Angeles gangs in the 1980s is at least morally consistent with previous actions of the US government, particularly through its (ironically named) “intelligence” community.
I think it is vital to know the truth because it appears to me that the forty-year Colombian Civil War is really a war between competing drug dealers in an incredibly high-stakes market. All politics in Colombia on the part of the FARC, the ELN, the AUC, and the Colombian and American governments are rhetorical: this war is not political but economic. Meanwhile the civilian toll is equal to one World Trade Center disaster per year in a country one-sixth the size of the US. Again, there is a precedent: if you read Alfred McCoy’s _The Politics of Heroin; CIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade_ one learns a great deal about the motivation of the heroin trade in the American Vietnam war.
—Mason West
Posted by Mason West on Dec 21, 2004 at 10:47 PM
Gary’s death was a suicide; please stop suggesting anything else.
Here is a report from the scene from one of his close friends, who was the first non-family member to speak at Gary’s Memorial - scroll down to the bottom third for details on the actual death…
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/122004_goodbye_giant.shtml
Posted by Jesse Wendel on Dec 22, 2004 at 9:27 AM
Wasn’t there a similar situation, an investigative reporter who, in a West Virginia motel ” was found dead in a bath-tub with his wrists slit, a suicide,” and was cremated under government instructions before his brother was notified of the death? The brother then stated that the reporter had phoned to tell him he was going to break a BIG STORY Nothing was investigated.
Posted by Mildred S Capone on Dec 22, 2004 at 12:33 PM
Were Mr. Webb’s death not a suicide—there are people who would blow the whistle long before it came down to a discussion on a Web page—as tragic as that death is, it is only one small painful part of a much bigger problem. The war in Colombia is a drug war. And if you believe what Gary Webb told us, the US is involved as a dealer. Even if the US isn’t directly involved in narcotrafficking, their policies in Latin America and their policies on drugs create a power vacuum in which thugs thrive and three thousand people are dying every year.—mw.
Posted by Mason West on Dec 22, 2004 at 6:09 PM
Gary’s wife on ‘Air America’ said he was depresssed but would never take anti- depressants. She said that as though anti- depressants were a bad thing, was he really depresssed if he wasn’t and wasn’t taking anti-depressants may add credence to the two bullet concern.
Also in the book “Crack in America’ the author argues that there wasn’t a real crack epedemic in the medical sense of the term. More of a media feeding frenzy in inner cities decaying because of retail sububanization a dramatic convincing backdrop , with the end result being a lot of young Black people ending up behind bars.
Posted by Craig Williams on Dec 23, 2004 at 8:26 AM
Gary Webb was a great reporter and his brilliant
book, Dark Alliance, nailed the CIA-Contra Drug
story down.
In April, 1990 my partner Nina Wax and I had a lengthy 5,500 word article in Z Magazine, titled
Farmer John’s Homegrown Connections which was
all about John Hull, whom we interviewed by phone,
and his sprawling Costa Rican ranch which was
a major CIA front in the southern front war
against the Sandinistas. We had documented the
whole Ollie North network and the massive drugs
for guns deal that the Reagan-Bush Administration
criminals did to short circuit the Boland Amendment. We tried to get major media interested,
including Walter Pincus at the Washington Post,
who later took a lead in smearing Gary Webb.
For a while both Nightline and 60 Minutes were
interested but then Iraq invaded Kuwait and that
was that. Z wouldn’t let us publish our 200 plus
footnotes but we rented a PO box in SF and wrote
a letter to Z giving the info for people to contact us, got 30 or 40 responses from all over
the US and a few foreign countries.
Gary looked at the micro street end of our macro
story and unlike us, he was a fulltime reporter.
Regardless of the cause of his death, this is a
real tragedy.
But despite the smears of Susan Rasky of the UC
Berkeley Grad School of Journalism, Pincus,
the LA Times, ad nauseum, he was able to bring
out the truth.
May his legacy continue !
Posted by Michael Hardesty on Dec 23, 2004 at 10:03 AM
Every one seems to think that “NOT in America” that conspiracies exist. The leading candidate for office in the Ukraine gets poisoned by dioxin…but we say “Not in America”...
I don’t believe in more than a small fraction of the conspiracies out there… but with Paul Wellstone’s death (still not proven innocent or not by the aeronautics investigators..), another Dem. Senator’s death by plane accident.. in another closely divided electoral period…(ala general Torrehos (sP??) of Panama…long ago via CIA and Norregos probably…), several killings of Chavez allies in Venz. recently, two suicides of prominent US. writers getting the dirt on Bush et al, numerous other deaths… Why are we believing in American Exceptionallism.
The CIA can and does kill people without anyone knowing the cause of death. Murders can be easily made into suicides.
Now, Two bullets in the head? maybe Webb himself could of wanted to prove he was killed… but the most likely source is a Right Wing hitman as in all the countries our nation has overthrown in the past decades, Iran, Nicaragua (twice or more), Panama, Iraq (twice….Saddam was the CIA’s man for a long time..), so the “offing” of a journalist who deeply hurt the reputation of the CIA isn’t that remarkable, Is it?
KGB=FBI and CIA… not too much difference in results and actions.. Thanks to the CIA/FBI we got the Talaban, 9/11 AND Two Bush Presidencies.
Posted by davidpell on Dec 24, 2004 at 6:26 PM
Mr. Pell
Maybe you should have read all of the above entries before being another uniformed asshole junior investigator who is prolonging the grief of Gary’s family and friends.
No one has said “not in America”, but unless you know all of the circumstances that were involved in Gary’s life and death, maybe you should lay off the keyboard, learn to spell and go back to reading the National Enquirer.
People such as yourself add no value, even when you are working the night shift at 7-11.
Posted by David C. on Dec 24, 2004 at 6:48 PM
Bravo!!
But I doubt if any of these conspiracy theorists have the balls to work the night shift at 7-11. They probably work the day shift at Walmart.
Posted by Crockett T Masters on Dec 24, 2004 at 6:51 PM
So does anyone in a ‘chatroom’ really give a damn about Webb’s grieving family…..? If he did kill himself that would be worse than he being murdered in my book.. having survived suicides in my own family… so this namby pamby consideration for the remaining survivors…. when one should recognise that Webb was Done In by the Establishment Press and Powers that Be obviously if he’d killed himself or not…
One only has to recall the Conservative Attacks upon Paul Wellstone even after he died to see that there is no remorse on the side of those who profit from less journalism (like Gary Webb’s) and more Marketing Promotion which is what most “journalism” is these days.
Sorry for the mispellings… all knowing ones…. but what about those two bullets… and give a link to more definitive pieces about this case. The Mainstream Media’s been mostly silent about Gary Webb’s passing perhaps due to their shameful treatment of him.
Posted by davidpell on Dec 25, 2004 at 7:50 PM
apologies to all.. finally read From the Wilderness article above… which seems very well researched and truth’like…unlike what we read in the Mainstream Media..
Still, I seems Murder of Gary’s reputation and career did happen.
And Alex Jones has never been a “progressive” nor a “journalist”, but a fascisitic selfserving blowhard… unfortunately that gets attention and money apparently.
A Tragedy in the personal realm that matches the tragedy of the lack of truth telling now being published in general… with Conservative Ideologues dominating the Media.
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Salim, Why no mention of the allegations that Mr. Webb commited suicide with TWO .38 slugs delivered by a revolver? Just curious. Ed Davis
There is probably no mention of the TWO slugs because there is no reason to make mention other to state the fact that there WERE two. There is no “conspiracy” regarding Gary’s death please do not attempt to stir up a non existent controversy. Gary took his life by his own hand. Any allegations of death other than suicide citing some conspiracy should be halted.
I was honored to work with Gary Webb at the California State Legislature. He was my friend and I shall miss him very much. Please do not dishonor his memory with talks of a conspiracy regarding his death. Please allow Gary to rest in the peace he desired. This was his choice. HIS choice.
It’s too bad the attention that Gary’s death received was not given when he was alive.
Uh . . . am I missing something here? Unless one misses very badly with the first shot, how is it possible to fire twice in commiting suicide?
Mr. Pattillo, Please accept my condolences to you on the death of your friend, Mr. Webb. I also have lost friends through violent means( one of them was a suicide), and I believe that I can empathize with your current feelings. But Sir, if the circumstances surrounding this tragedy are true, shouldn’t a thorough investigation ensue? A terrible crime may have been committed. Ed Davis.
Dear Mr. Muwakkil—Please accept my condolences.
This obituary indeed suggests that the actions of the government in general and the CIA in general after the publication of Webb’s series of articles were tantamount to a cover-up. Do you think this is the case? Certainly were the CIA involved in drug trafficking—especially to American people—they would go great lengths to cover up any exposure; yet were the story unreliable, there would be the same denials, so how can we know for sure? On the other hand, the US government did conduct the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment on unwitting black men suffering from syphilis well into the 1970s, so the introduction of crack cocaine to Los Angeles gangs in the 1980s is at least morally consistent with previous actions of the US government, particularly through its (ironically named) “intelligence” community.
I think it is vital to know the truth because it appears to me that the forty-year Colombian Civil War is really a war between competing drug dealers in an incredibly high-stakes market. All politics in Colombia on the part of the FARC, the ELN, the AUC, and the Colombian and American governments are rhetorical: this war is not political but economic. Meanwhile the civilian toll is equal to one World Trade Center disaster per year in a country one-sixth the size of the US. Again, there is a precedent: if you read Alfred McCoy’s _The Politics of Heroin; CIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade_ one learns a great deal about the motivation of the heroin trade in the American Vietnam war.
—Mason West
Gary’s death was a suicide; please stop suggesting anything else.
Here is a report from the scene from one of his close friends, who was the first non-family member to speak at Gary’s Memorial - scroll down to the bottom third for details on the actual death…
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/122004_goodbye_giant.shtml
Wasn’t there a similar situation, an investigative reporter who, in a West Virginia motel ” was found dead in a bath-tub with his wrists slit, a suicide,” and was cremated under government instructions before his brother was notified of the death? The brother then stated that the reporter had phoned to tell him he was going to break a BIG STORY Nothing was investigated.
Were Mr. Webb’s death not a suicide—there are people who would blow the whistle long before it came down to a discussion on a Web page—as tragic as that death is, it is only one small painful part of a much bigger problem. The war in Colombia is a drug war. And if you believe what Gary Webb told us, the US is involved as a dealer. Even if the US isn’t directly involved in narcotrafficking, their policies in Latin America and their policies on drugs create a power vacuum in which thugs thrive and three thousand people are dying every year.—mw.
Gary’s wife on ‘Air America’ said he was depresssed but would never take anti- depressants. She said that as though anti- depressants were a bad thing, was he really depresssed if he wasn’t and wasn’t taking anti-depressants may add credence to the two bullet concern.
Also in the book “Crack in America’ the author argues that there wasn’t a real crack epedemic in the medical sense of the term. More of a media feeding frenzy in inner cities decaying because of retail sububanization a dramatic convincing backdrop , with the end result being a lot of young Black people ending up behind bars.
Gary Webb was a great reporter and his brilliant
book, Dark Alliance, nailed the CIA-Contra Drug
story down.
In April, 1990 my partner Nina Wax and I had a lengthy 5,500 word article in Z Magazine, titled
Farmer John’s Homegrown Connections which was
all about John Hull, whom we interviewed by phone,
and his sprawling Costa Rican ranch which was
a major CIA front in the southern front war
against the Sandinistas. We had documented the
whole Ollie North network and the massive drugs
for guns deal that the Reagan-Bush Administration
criminals did to short circuit the Boland Amendment. We tried to get major media interested,
including Walter Pincus at the Washington Post,
who later took a lead in smearing Gary Webb.
For a while both Nightline and 60 Minutes were
interested but then Iraq invaded Kuwait and that
was that. Z wouldn’t let us publish our 200 plus
footnotes but we rented a PO box in SF and wrote
a letter to Z giving the info for people to contact us, got 30 or 40 responses from all over
the US and a few foreign countries.
Gary looked at the micro street end of our macro
story and unlike us, he was a fulltime reporter.
Regardless of the cause of his death, this is a
real tragedy.
But despite the smears of Susan Rasky of the UC
Berkeley Grad School of Journalism, Pincus,
the LA Times, ad nauseum, he was able to bring
out the truth.
May his legacy continue !
Every one seems to think that “NOT in America” that conspiracies exist. The leading candidate for office in the Ukraine gets poisoned by dioxin…but we say “Not in America”...
I don’t believe in more than a small fraction of the conspiracies out there… but with Paul Wellstone’s death (still not proven innocent or not by the aeronautics investigators..), another Dem. Senator’s death by plane accident.. in another closely divided electoral period…(ala general Torrehos (sP??) of Panama…long ago via CIA and Norregos probably…), several killings of Chavez allies in Venz. recently, two suicides of prominent US. writers getting the dirt on Bush et al, numerous other deaths… Why are we believing in American Exceptionallism.
The CIA can and does kill people without anyone knowing the cause of death. Murders can be easily made into suicides.
Now, Two bullets in the head? maybe Webb himself could of wanted to prove he was killed… but the most likely source is a Right Wing hitman as in all the countries our nation has overthrown in the past decades, Iran, Nicaragua (twice or more), Panama, Iraq (twice….Saddam was the CIA’s man for a long time..), so the “offing” of a journalist who deeply hurt the reputation of the CIA isn’t that remarkable, Is it?
KGB=FBI and CIA… not too much difference in results and actions.. Thanks to the CIA/FBI we got the Talaban, 9/11 AND Two Bush Presidencies.
Mr. Pell
Maybe you should have read all of the above entries before being another uniformed asshole junior investigator who is prolonging the grief of Gary’s family and friends.
No one has said “not in America”, but unless you know all of the circumstances that were involved in Gary’s life and death, maybe you should lay off the keyboard, learn to spell and go back to reading the National Enquirer.
People such as yourself add no value, even when you are working the night shift at 7-11.
Bravo!!
But I doubt if any of these conspiracy theorists have the balls to work the night shift at 7-11. They probably work the day shift at Walmart.
So does anyone in a ‘chatroom’ really give a damn about Webb’s grieving family…..? If he did kill himself that would be worse than he being murdered in my book.. having survived suicides in my own family… so this namby pamby consideration for the remaining survivors…. when one should recognise that Webb was Done In by the Establishment Press and Powers that Be obviously if he’d killed himself or not…
One only has to recall the Conservative Attacks upon Paul Wellstone even after he died to see that there is no remorse on the side of those who profit from less journalism (like Gary Webb’s) and more Marketing Promotion which is what most “journalism” is these days.
Sorry for the mispellings… all knowing ones…. but what about those two bullets… and give a link to more definitive pieces about this case. The Mainstream Media’s been mostly silent about Gary Webb’s passing perhaps due to their shameful treatment of him.
apologies to all.. finally read From the Wilderness article above… which seems very well researched and truth’like…unlike what we read in the Mainstream Media..
Still, I seems Murder of Gary’s reputation and career did happen.
And Alex Jones has never been a “progressive” nor a “journalist”, but a fascisitic selfserving blowhard… unfortunately that gets attention and money apparently.
A Tragedy in the personal realm that matches the tragedy of the lack of truth telling now being published in general… with Conservative Ideologues dominating the Media.
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