We really need to know more about moderate Arab views. Bush has not helped us at all in the Arab world, and yes it matters a whole hell of alot what they think. Our news media and governemts treats them as less that human, or as very stupid people.
That is not true. Does anyone remember what we thought of the Russian people, after years of cold war brainwashing, by our government and, to maybe a lesser extent, by the media? Hell the Russian were always coming when I was young; actually to the point where I once blurted out at the dinner table, “Well, I wish to hell they would get it over with. Come on if your coming, get it the hell over with. I am tired of hearing about it.”
Leaving Mother’s and Dad’s mouths flopped open, I marched away from the table and out the back door. I laid in the grass (one of my favorite things to do even untill this very day) and stared up into the night sky at the stars and planets and asteroids, etc, etc, and in my fury I realized that I was a part of all of that, made of the same atoms and particles, the very same material. As my heart began to slow, I began to cry at the glory of it all. Who cared what the Russians did, they could never take this moment from me. Neither could the fear-mongers in the government. A monent of experiencing Oneness with the All that there is, the One, God Almighty, Allah, Jehovah; and the Oneness with everything and everyone was so impressive that I was forever changed by that moment.
I was no longer who I had been. Born again? Well, that phrase has certainly left us all with a bitter taste in our mouths, eh? But, yes, that is about the only way to explain it. I would never see the world again in the same way. I would always love my fellow man, yes, even those I am told are my enemies. In the twinkling of an eye, it seemed, I was changed. Actually what I experienced, seemingly out of the blue, that Christmas Eve, was more a culmination of many dark nights of the ego, and it was the beginning of a journey through a dark night of the soul, which many years later, I am wrestling with.
Christ said, “you shall know them by their fruits,” when asked how people would know, if someone was doing the work of Christ or was, in fact, a charlatan, a pretender and a liar.
We have been taken over by a Cult of accomplished liars; deceivers of the first degree! You shall know them by their fruit! That is what Christ said. Do we really crave the blood of innocents, vengeance and torture of other human beings, all made possible by intentional deception of the American people. Do those friuts seem worthy of the Vine keeper? I don’t think so. I would be more drawn to kindness, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, giving my last dollar to someone who needs it more than me. The Great Compassion and Love of God flowing through my heart and informing my mind.
We need to hear more from ordinary Arabs, because my strong hunch is they are really not that different from us.
Just like the Russians.
Posted by Dot Dedman on Jan 28, 2005 at 6:06 PM
Ryan, I grew up with them, and they kept me from a relationship with the Divine for many, many years, because if the Divine was anything like these hell-fire-breathing, yelling, stomping, judgemental, condescending hypocrits, I wanted no part of it. I knew that much at age 5.
I wish I had the talent to do a Documentary on the real fundamentalism, especially some of the Evangelical, fundys; talk about abuse of children; phsycical, psychological, and sometimes, probably far more than we know, sexual.
These endtimeer types are some of the most dangerous people in the world, because they reassly believe, literally, word, for word, what the Bisble says, especially endtine prophesies. They are not at all averse to helping it along, either; that’s call doing the will of God. Anyone who desires peace in the middle east, between Israel and the Palestinians, a two state solution, and everyone lived happily ever after scenario, the they find themselves at cross purposes with the end-timers, the last thing they want is peace while that Huge Mosque sits where Herrod’s Temple(and that of Solomon before it) sat, before the Romans finally destroyed it in 70 BCE.
Jpeaking of what Jesus Christ said, actually one of the few thinbgs he is said to have said that most moddern day scholars belkieve that he probably really said, is this: It is impossible to serve God and mamon, for you will ether hate the one and love the other, or hete the other and love the one. That was certainly a counsel against idol worship. Yet, it was more. Among all that it is, it is wise counsel to one who wishes to defeat the Republicans, for the sake of our nation and the rest of the world.
The Republicans are personified by two main groups, and they have all the power in the Rethug Party at the monent: 1st and foremost, the corporate pigs at the trough ( picture for a moment, the wild drinking and eating origies (and other tyes of origies that were not allowed on the screen of the old films about anything Roman, then think of what-his-name, from worldcom, I think it was, who had the $25,000 shower curtains and threw a wild toga party, a video of which was recently available for public viewing, in every news channel in America.) Think about every freakin’ greedy, gluttonous, sociopathic corporate officer you have ever seen in a perp walk in the last couple of years and quite a few others you haven’t and should. This is who Bush thold that they were his base. These people have so much money that if they never earned another dime, they would not be able to spend their fortunes 30 lifetimes.
Associated with this crowd is the want-to-be-pigs-art-the-trough club, equally greedy and generally unattractive people when you know much about them at all.
Then there are the True Believers, the Evangelical, fundamentalist, litreralist religio-fascist, who can be counted on to get out the vote, by threatening everyone in the church with total damnation if one fails to get out and vote for Bush. Preachers do not have to actually say this fronm the pulpit, you understand, for their followers to know exactly what they are to do, and rarely ever question it in the least. “Why, if it came from Brother, Deacon Lone Dendrite, then it was absolute truth,” no matter what kind of mind-bending gobbeldy-gook it was this time.
There is nothing this crowd likes better than the idea of persecution. They especially enjoy being victims of persecution, of course they have never really suffered persecution in their lives, but they like being a victim, gives tem s sense of “them vs the rest of us (read Satan’s progeny.” Of course, we all know victims are not nice people, they are not expected to be.
Many of them enjoy real persecution for anyone who disagrees with them, they believe that the very word, tolerance, is of the Devil. They have no intention of tolorating anyone or anything any longer than they have to. Many have openly said that they support torture of Muslims as a tool for gaining intelligence. That can in no way, be reconciled with the teachings of the Christ. As a matter of fact, much they say and do is antithical to Christ’s teachings; One would not be incorrect to refer to them as anti-Christ.
I hope that some really good investigative Documentarian works on this, and outs them all for the hypocrits and pretenders and deceivers, who they really are.
I know what you mean, Ryan, their idea of being saved is once one confesses Jesus as their personal savior, is baptised and whatever other ritualistic calp-trap goes with it, one does not have to worry anymore. A few I have known sport bumper stickers, “not perfect, just forgiven.”
I have known more jackasses who were washed in the blood, as they like to say, and I have known athiest who are more Christ-like than the many of them with their spiritual puffed-upness, and only a daily basis, I have known Reform Jews who are the models of Christ among us, right now, today. These people need to be outed, badly. Jesus Christ aslo said, ” There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.”
Posted by Dot Dedman on Jan 29, 2005 at 4:23 PM
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We really need to know more about moderate Arab views. Bush has not helped us at all in the Arab world, and yes it matters a whole hell of alot what they think. Our news media and governemts treats them as less that human, or as very stupid people.
That is not true. Does anyone remember what we thought of the Russian people, after years of cold war brainwashing, by our government and, to maybe a lesser extent, by the media? Hell the Russian were always coming when I was young; actually to the point where I once blurted out at the dinner table, “Well, I wish to hell they would get it over with. Come on if your coming, get it the hell over with. I am tired of hearing about it.”
Leaving Mother’s and Dad’s mouths flopped open, I marched away from the table and out the back door. I laid in the grass (one of my favorite things to do even untill this very day) and stared up into the night sky at the stars and planets and asteroids, etc, etc, and in my fury I realized that I was a part of all of that, made of the same atoms and particles, the very same material. As my heart began to slow, I began to cry at the glory of it all. Who cared what the Russians did, they could never take this moment from me. Neither could the fear-mongers in the government. A monent of experiencing Oneness with the All that there is, the One, God Almighty, Allah, Jehovah; and the Oneness with everything and everyone was so impressive that I was forever changed by that moment.
I was no longer who I had been. Born again? Well, that phrase has certainly left us all with a bitter taste in our mouths, eh? But, yes, that is about the only way to explain it. I would never see the world again in the same way. I would always love my fellow man, yes, even those I am told are my enemies. In the twinkling of an eye, it seemed, I was changed. Actually what I experienced, seemingly out of the blue, that Christmas Eve, was more a culmination of many dark nights of the ego, and it was the beginning of a journey through a dark night of the soul, which many years later, I am wrestling with.
Christ said, “you shall know them by their fruits,” when asked how people would know, if someone was doing the work of Christ or was, in fact, a charlatan, a pretender and a liar.
We have been taken over by a Cult of accomplished liars; deceivers of the first degree! You shall know them by their fruit! That is what Christ said. Do we really crave the blood of innocents, vengeance and torture of other human beings, all made possible by intentional deception of the American people. Do those friuts seem worthy of the Vine keeper? I don’t think so. I would be more drawn to kindness, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, giving my last dollar to someone who needs it more than me. The Great Compassion and Love of God flowing through my heart and informing my mind.
We need to hear more from ordinary Arabs, because my strong hunch is they are really not that different from us.
Just like the Russians.
These mid-western born again types would never think to take that quote by Christ into account. They don’t make it their business so much to know the teachings of Christ as to dance around with their hands stretched upward and make Christianity an exclusive club. The idae of being ‘born again’ is that by accepting Christ they’re ‘saved’. So basically no matter what they do, they’re not worried about hell. Very comforting I guess, but doesn’t take into account personal responsibility. Who could be all that worried about other people with a sense of smug satisfaction like that? The movie ‘saved’ was a pretty good example. I know some of these types, and it was a pretty good portrayal.
As bad as the Russians were, they were white. It’s so much easier to dehumanize brown folks. ugh
Ryan, I grew up with them, and they kept me from a relationship with the Divine for many, many years, because if the Divine was anything like these hell-fire-breathing, yelling, stomping, judgemental, condescending hypocrits, I wanted no part of it. I knew that much at age 5.
I wish I had the talent to do a Documentary on the real fundamentalism, especially some of the Evangelical, fundys; talk about abuse of children; phsycical, psychological, and sometimes, probably far more than we know, sexual.
These endtimeer types are some of the most dangerous people in the world, because they reassly believe, literally, word, for word, what the Bisble says, especially endtine prophesies. They are not at all averse to helping it along, either; that’s call doing the will of God. Anyone who desires peace in the middle east, between Israel and the Palestinians, a two state solution, and everyone lived happily ever after scenario, the they find themselves at cross purposes with the end-timers, the last thing they want is peace while that Huge Mosque sits where Herrod’s Temple(and that of Solomon before it) sat, before the Romans finally destroyed it in 70 BCE.
Jpeaking of what Jesus Christ said, actually one of the few thinbgs he is said to have said that most moddern day scholars belkieve that he probably really said, is this: It is impossible to serve God and mamon, for you will ether hate the one and love the other, or hete the other and love the one. That was certainly a counsel against idol worship. Yet, it was more. Among all that it is, it is wise counsel to one who wishes to defeat the Republicans, for the sake of our nation and the rest of the world.
The Republicans are personified by two main groups, and they have all the power in the Rethug Party at the monent: 1st and foremost, the corporate pigs at the trough ( picture for a moment, the wild drinking and eating origies (and other tyes of origies that were not allowed on the screen of the old films about anything Roman, then think of what-his-name, from worldcom, I think it was, who had the $25,000 shower curtains and threw a wild toga party, a video of which was recently available for public viewing, in every news channel in America.) Think about every freakin’ greedy, gluttonous, sociopathic corporate officer you have ever seen in a perp walk in the last couple of years and quite a few others you haven’t and should. This is who Bush thold that they were his base. These people have so much money that if they never earned another dime, they would not be able to spend their fortunes 30 lifetimes.
Associated with this crowd is the want-to-be-pigs-art-the-trough club, equally greedy and generally unattractive people when you know much about them at all.
Then there are the True Believers, the Evangelical, fundamentalist, litreralist religio-fascist, who can be counted on to get out the vote, by threatening everyone in the church with total damnation if one fails to get out and vote for Bush. Preachers do not have to actually say this fronm the pulpit, you understand, for their followers to know exactly what they are to do, and rarely ever question it in the least. “Why, if it came from Brother, Deacon Lone Dendrite, then it was absolute truth,” no matter what kind of mind-bending gobbeldy-gook it was this time.
There is nothing this crowd likes better than the idea of persecution. They especially enjoy being victims of persecution, of course they have never really suffered persecution in their lives, but they like being a victim, gives tem s sense of “them vs the rest of us (read Satan’s progeny.” Of course, we all know victims are not nice people, they are not expected to be.
Many of them enjoy real persecution for anyone who disagrees with them, they believe that the very word, tolerance, is of the Devil. They have no intention of tolorating anyone or anything any longer than they have to. Many have openly said that they support torture of Muslims as a tool for gaining intelligence. That can in no way, be reconciled with the teachings of the Christ. As a matter of fact, much they say and do is antithical to Christ’s teachings; One would not be incorrect to refer to them as anti-Christ.
I hope that some really good investigative Documentarian works on this, and outs them all for the hypocrits and pretenders and deceivers, who they really are.
I know what you mean, Ryan, their idea of being saved is once one confesses Jesus as their personal savior, is baptised and whatever other ritualistic calp-trap goes with it, one does not have to worry anymore. A few I have known sport bumper stickers, “not perfect, just forgiven.”
I have known more jackasses who were washed in the blood, as they like to say, and I have known athiest who are more Christ-like than the many of them with their spiritual puffed-upness, and only a daily basis, I have known Reform Jews who are the models of Christ among us, right now, today. These people need to be outed, badly. Jesus Christ aslo said, ” There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.”
i saw the movie today at sundance,,it was actually a short. i wasnt very impressed with a few actors but i looked at douglas balch and he was the most believable actor in the film..over all i would give the movie a c+ but i would give douglas balch an A
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