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jeez AmericanInsurgent do you want a tissue?

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Buddy,
No. Try some facts. I know you Bushkevites don’t let the facts get in the way of your faith-based presidency. You righties have no response. So you accuse us of crying and being conspiracy theorists.
Your president is the one who needs a tissue, or more appropriately some toilet paper. He cries about a non-existent SS crisis. He cries about non-existent WMD. Crisis after crisis. But boo hoo it’s all Bill Clinton’s fault that Bush can only create jobs at McDonald’s and Walmart.

Conservatives are animals, and fundamentally, so are we.  But even animals will respond to kindness and respect.  Conservatives believe above all else in their own self-interest.  They cling to their egocentric world-view out of unreasoning fear, and use whatever specious sophistry they can to defend their illusions. 

Knowing this, we shouldn’t expect to get anywhere by engaging in reasonable and critical argument.  The more effective method is comparable to the weaning of infants.  Patient cajoling and appealling to the tender human nature hiding behind all that bristling armor.

But what is more important is building the bonds of mutual aid and a generous spirit among ourselves.

AmericanInsurgents:

If people don’t get their news from the NYTimes, then where do they go? My obsession with Clinton?? Please. Just because I didn’t like Clinton doesn’t mean I am like Rush who blames everything he can on the man. If you want to revise history go ahead....Clinton did not remove the weapons inspectors, Saddam didn’t let them in to where they needed to go.

Bill Moyers and PBS get there money from the government, which is what I tried to convey.

To your charge the clearchannel doesnt hire lefties, thats ridiculous. How did ClearChannel get this big, by making money off their radio stations, and to think they wouldnt hire a lib if they would make them more money is ridiculous.

american insurgent Che guavarra you are not- you act like a cross between kerry and sponge bob. What a delusional guy or whatever you are. You sound like you just cannot get over that Bush won a second term. Insurgent you are not either- more like a two year old who keeps crying until mommy gives him his way.  Insurgent ant- yeah that’s who you are--- insurgent ant- little annoying vermin

I’ll make you think I’m delicious with the things that I say - you know that I am evil but you can’t look away I am a tool of the government and big industry too- I am vile and pernicious have you guessed me yet??

luminous beauty, yes we are all, everyone of us flesh and blood.  I did not simply say that conservatives were animals, I said that conservative values are animal values.  It may sound extreme but I mean it literally and not as some sort of insult.

Human beings are the one animal on the planet able to transcend to some extent earlier biological programming.  At our best we are able to communicate, cooperate and be socially creative in a way that other animals simply cannot.  I was making a really simple point, and it wasn’t an insult. 

There are a lot of people who voted for Bush because of abstract fears or simple mis-information.  I do not consider them true conservatives beecause their values if you interviewed them would actually turn out to be pretty liberal, but for one reason or another they have to some extent believed the hype.

Then there are what I have often and carefully referred to as the ‘hard core’ conservatives. These individual’s values really do start to make more sense when you compare them to animals, specifically pack animals like wolves or dogs.  It’s depressing thought, but it seems to me to fit the evidence.

Of the people who voted for Bush, but who are not what I would term ‘true believers’, I think you are right.  They are perhaps more like weaning infants, but to be honest I think most of them have simply been mislead.  The media in this country is so completely controlled by right wing corporate interests.  It’s no wonder people vote against their own interests.

Anyway study reddog and his kind carefully, not just their ranting, but their cool delivery of what seems like common sense to them and you will see what I mean about the animal values.  I wouldn’t say they are mentally ill, but that in certain ways they simply stopped developing at a certain age.  I do not think this can be reversed once someone physically becomes an adult, especially when we have someone sitting in the president’s chair who is actively encouraging these values on a daily basis.  But don’t worry too much, there bark is generally a lot worse than their bite.

Reddog’s reaction to this will probably be one of two things.  He’ll either try and come off as all calm and rational, thinking this somehow proves me wrong.  Or he’ll go into one of his rants.
Or he may not respond at all. 

What ever is the case please remember what it is that I am actually saying.  I am not saying hard core conservatives necessarily act like animals, or think like animals, I am suggesting that their social values are the same as pack animals, literally.

what a lunatic rant- all because america voted for bush and we won’t allow fag-marriage. Do you ever read the BS you write?

But don’t worry too much, there bark is generally a lot worse than their bite. -

don’t bet on it

Dog was right you speak out of your twat.
bark- bark

Coming from a great speller and intellectual like you, that really hurts patriot (What a joke). It’s spelled Che Guevara, genius.
Great analogy. Ken Mehlman and Rove will want to hire you. You fit their faith-based model of government perfectly. Facts be damned.
I do have a problem that the “Fortunate Son” is president. He is a liar and his administration is the most corrupt and incompetent in history. The compliant right wing media is largely responsible for the fact that so many people did not realize how horrible this president was and is.
He lied about the reasons for a war and he should be tried for war crimes not reelected.

Brad, hopefully you were kidding about where people get their news but just in case you weren’t: TV and radio and some local newspapers.

Although I know it’s like trying to teach a dog new tricks I will try to explain the history of the WMD lies to you geniuses:

Regarding the inspector’s leaving in 1998:
“It was widely reported at the time that Peter Burleigh, US ambassador to the UN, had “advised” Butler to withdraw his staff from Iraq immediately. The events are recounted in more detail in Butler’s book, Saddam Defiant: (2000):

‘I received a telephone call from US Ambassador Peter Burleigh inviting me for a private conversation at the US mission [...] Burleigh informed me that on instructions from Washington it would be ‘prudent to take measures to ensure the safety and security of UNSCOM staff presently in Iraq.’ I told him that I would act on his advice and remove my staff from Iraq.’

Given that the chain of events is so well established, it is surprising that many commentators and politicians have claimed since 1999 that Iraq “expelled” the weapons inspectors in December 1998.”
So, the US [Clinton] told the inspectors to leave so we could bomb Iraq, which we did next day. While the US claims Saddam was not cooperating, the inspectors were on the ground inspecting just as they were in March 2002 until we told them to leave so we could invade.

Scott Ritter, a long-time conservative and weapons inspector warned that there were no WMD in Iraq but instead of actually investigating his first hand account the right wing media, including the NYT and CNN, shilled for Bush. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0912-02.htm

Ritter said something the Bush administration and the neo-converts don’t understand: “As an American citizen, I have an obligation to speak out when I feel my government is acting in a manner, which is inconsistent with the — with the principles of our founding fathers. It’s the most patriotic thing I can do.”

When a CNN reporter accused Ritter of working for Saddam, Ritter stated: “Ha! Excuse me; I went to war against Saddam Hussein in 1991. I spent seven years of my life in this country hunting down weapons of mass destruction. I believe I’ve done a lot about Saddam Hussein. You show me where Saddam Hussein can be substantiated as a threat against the United States and I’ll go to war again. I’m not going to sit back idly and let anybody threaten the United States. But at this point in time, no one has made a case based upon facts that Saddam Hussein or his government is a threat to the United States worthy of war.”

The media accepted Bush’s hatchet job on Ritter and neglected to investigate his first hand knowledge on Iraq.

The Bush WMD lies and speculation were on the front page and led the evening news and the right wing media relegated the truth about WMD to the back of the paper and not newsworthy for TV.

More later.

ay culo- my spelling not so good with only one eye

it’s worth Bush winning to hear you whine like alittle girl. ya gonna cry now little puto?

you type a lot - you don’t say merda amiga
if you so smart how come you vote for looser ??

that’s why you get your facts wrong dude- you go to those websights funded by the communist party…

hey insurgent- you and your little college boy friend luminous transvestite gonna gome out and play games again tonight??

Bush’s Secretaries of State make the case for impeachment quite well. In 2001, before 9/11, Powell and Rice clearly stated that Saddam posed no threat to the US and had no WMD. Read or view their own words and weep neo-converts: http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htmard

If the true reason for this preemptive invasion of Iraq was to disarm Saddam of his WMD, then explain why Bush did not order the troops to safeguard the known weapons sites and/or the sites they stumbled upon. Instead their orders were to topple Saddam and ignore these weapons sites. As a consequence, these weapons were looted and are being used against our troops. C’mon, neo-cons, even Bush would have told the troops go to the weapons sites first and safeguard them. Remember Bush was trying to scare us that once we invade that Saddam would launch WMD at us and our troops. The actions of the troops prove Bush was lying about the WMD.

Embedded reporters were present when troops found the largest known cache of weapons and later reported that the troops left the explosives where they found them.

If these investigative journalists were not so busy shilling for Bush they would have realized that the troop’s actions proved that WMD was just a lie.

Why did no one in the media confront these liars with some serious questions about such trivia as the costs of a war, or what, if anything, is known about connections between Al Qaeda and Saddam, or what proof there is that Iraq has the ability to make and deliver nuclear weapons, or why that country as opposed to others, or what oil has to do with it, or how Cheney justifies his former business dealings with the regime he now so desperately wants to change.

You idiots can blame the truth on communist web-sites. Prove your side for once. I’m not crying or whining; I’m proving how stupid you are for supporting a coward and a deserter. Powell and Rice are on video—is that a communist web-site with Condi and Powell telling the truth about the smirking chimp. I know this might be too complicated for you geniuses but try paying attention the next time you vote or we might bring back IQ tests and you’ll be disenfranchised.

wah- wah- wah- wah- wah I aint no commie- ask my mommie.

shut up you little communist turd- you talk shit is all- commie like ya mommie

your no insurgent- just a whinny little puke

Who’d you idiots vote for in 1992 and 1996? The loser right. In fact, big losers! Clinton had real mandates, not faith-based mandates.
So, are you neo-cons in Iraq now? I figured since you supported Bush in this war you would have the courage to back it up with actions. You don’t seem to have any facts. So I hope you are chickenhawks of action.

Insurgent - wow do you dress in camo or in drag- commie-fag???

wah- wah you whine like a puto in heat little girl

I voted for you insurgent- your my hero you are trying to liberate all the trangender people in america oh you big strong commie…

you lose your luminous friend tonight culo??

I think you a freshman in some liberal arts college in oneof those hate america classes taught by a commie professor who shulda been fragged during thje riots....pimply I bet you are on your ass alittle scar- you drove it up way to far-- now you want to be a girl....and marry youir hamster-

oh stop - mnake the bad conservative stop- oh no-

little college whiney boy gonna cry tonight brave man?? hollow- hollow—wah

hey punk what’s the matter you got your little typing fiinger stuck in your zipper- hah trashmouth commie-- pinko- fagboy- you gonna get an A for this A-hole

Well, at least it’s obvious why you closet homos voted for Georgie Porgie. Just admit it you’re gay.

So, I guess I was right you’re all a bunch of posers without the balls to go to Iraq.

I hear they’ll allow you dogs to get married if you volunteer.

Maybe you could be the heroes who find the WMD’s for your cowardly president.

Or even better you could be the dogs who sniff out Osama bin Laden. I hear he likes Neo-con dogs, having worked for them most of his life.

wah- commie wah commie- I think you are maybe an anal insurgent you like commie penis don’t you culo eater

No, wait your president doesn’t relly worry about the man responsible for 9/11 any longer. Relly makes you proud doesn’t it?
Your tough guy president couldn’t find a 6’5” Arab on dialysis. He’s a real smart one you chose there.

Don’t fret people 4 more years of bush and democrates will be on top again. Some rep. are against bushes s/s it will never get the votes in the senate. Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever, give him enough rope and he will hang his self. Why do you think most of his cabinet baled on him. The next 4 years for bush will be fixing his mistakes and being held accountable for what he has done. There won’t be a big fan fair when he opens his library.

commie pinko- I found out kerry is just Janet reno in reverse drag- you like them tall one eh?

pinche cabron- you cry like alittle girl commie- but no one listens to your commie crap - you gonnacry wanger??

you little panocha

Stick a fork in this thread, it’s done…

The truth hurts even when you’re to stupid to understand it. You elected a retarded cowardly liar!

wah- commie- wah nopbody listens to your comie crap boy- wah you lie- commie dog

One more like this and all you bastards are going to cyberjail!!!

They won’t go to jail. They’ll be promoted to a cabinet post by Georgie the Retard for their Rove-like political accumen.

Just think if bush was a democrate, carl rove and ken starr would be tearing him a new ass hole.

Hey, where’d the homodogs go? Maybe they’re trying to find some facts to support their neo-fascist president.
SS will finally be his downfall unless it is another smokescreen to divert attention from another Bush crime.

Here’s another article for the dyslexic dogs on Scott Ritter: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.html

The truth about the neo-con plan to invade Iraq predating 2000 election: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

This Fascist document was authored by the neo-fascists now in charge of our national security.

The vast majority of true Americans do not want to be the policeman for the world. That’s exactly what Bush has become after lying in 2000 about his foreign policy intentions.
Karl Rove called it the war on terror, then the war on tyranny but essentially we’re policeman for the world. But, in Rove’s 1984 language, policeman for the world does not poll well.
So, we should frame it as what it really is.
Privatization of SS is really another handout for the rich Wall Street investors. Make the rich pay SS taxes on all of their wages and SS will cover everyone alive.
Repeat over and over, Bush lied on WMD and Bush is lying about SS.

commie fag liar snot culo--- I am a nazi too we are all nazi- you are a commie fagboy whiner-- bye commie jack yerself off with kerry pictures commie fagboy
commie- commy mommy ya mommy a commie- stop crying commie nobody cares nobody cares fagcommie

no body cares commie boy nobody cares commie fagboy sig heil commie sig heil commie ya momie

no body cares commie boy bush 4 more yrs- get used to it commiefagboy stop whining- nobody gonna read your commie links fagboy- commie commie ya monnie commie fagboy

hey commie boy after bush - ashcroft gonna be prez- ya like that commie fagboy?? you gonna get thrown in insugency camp- bad marine gonna break all your teeth and call you his bitch you like that commie so does ya moomie

I like slappin commie boy fagboy- you like too??
Bush * more years - no more commies- all gone - slapped I like slappin commies - this one’s funny gonna cry to commie mommie soon bad bush sig heil

FOUR MORE YEARS COMMIE fagboy you suck commie

Fact are stubborn things, especially if you are closet homo with a grade school education. In other words, Georgie Porgy’s base. Oh and I almost forgot you have to be a hypocrite who talks a lot, says nothing intelligent, and is a cowardly deserter like his president!

Volunteer and Bush will buy you some teeth!

Chickens! Back your words up and be men or dogs. You obviously are highly qualified for Georgie’s army and he needs you.

Why don’t you try slapping me with some facts? No facts. Sounds like an admission that Bush is a liar and a coward.
Nothing but insults and vulgarity, huh. Well, I guess it’s true what they say about you neo-fascist pigs.

You’ve had an hour and a half to respond. I guess I win by default. Your vulgar ignorant drivel is a testament to the incompetence of Bush-Cheney--the most corrupt presidency in history and adding to its insurmountable lead daily.
Thanks for proving that you are not dogs but sheep.

what’s that five posts from a commie pinko twit. ya typing with one hand what ya doin with the other one NEO or is it anonymous- you psuedo journalist back from mexico ma& friends are on to you commie mamma’s boy nobody c ares what you have to say here in Nazi-ville you commie

four more year and this is only the first month commie fagboy go back to mexico commienthey love your cany culo- commie you and ya mommie

Game, set, match.
I’m not a Communist but I am a proud liberal and progressive and all I know is that, in your vulgar langage and from your ignorant, uninformed perspective, this commie Fag whipped your dog asses. You have no game. You have no facts and your faith is false. Reality has bitten you and you have nothing but name-calling to fall back on.
There’s still hope for you. You can become a true Christian and renounce the satan you call your president.

you like I know you NEO We love commies here all us nazis we love the commie journalist just back from mexico where he had his little pinga waxed- right commie-- 4 more yrs culo and only one month down commie - 47 months to go neo- anonymous commie you no foolin us commie- you gonna stay being commie you and ya mommie- fagboy commie eh???

noooo man you a commie and we nazi - nazi no like commie put you in oven with fagboy commie

FOUR MORE COMMIE WHORE YOU STUPID COMMIE

we no play tennis commie fagboy you look good in tennis skirt commie fagboy you type fast for commie fagboy-- NEO we hate liberal commies

4 MORE commie boy- commie like yer mommie

You can’t shut me up because I have truth. All you have is stupidity and bigotry. So, if you have nothing intelligent to say, then you should shut up.
I know you’re having trouble keeping up but you have no facts and I have proven that your president is an embarrassment to a freak show. And, you not only voted for this dunce but you can’t even defend him in the first month of his latest abortion of a presdential term.
Wafe up to the truth or shut up!

you proud progressive liberal that means commie here in my country commie fagboy- we love commies here -taste like chicken commie fag boy were you girlfiend luninous and matilda fagboy commie?? pinko commie- commie pinko= liberal no progressive - you commie neo mexico reporter fagboy you like tennis- we use your BALLS commie

Ha, Ha, yourself. You’ll always be a bigoted ignorant homophobe. I can actually spell and think and make you look stupid by just sitting here.
You have four more years of your cowardly, liar of a commander-in-thief. And you’ll still be a stupid vulgar shell of a man(?).

What’s your country--the state of ignorance?

oh commie pinko progressive you speak with forked tounge honkie commie pinko- you have to shut up nobosy listening xommie- you stooopit nobody cares about comie tears… commie fagboy

you freakshow commie you take too much stay up powder - you talk out your anus commie fagboy you starin to type slower commie fagboy you gettin off yet commie fagbot you like whippin nazi commie fagboy ummm good commie stupid fagboy--- you commie you know it you blow ed asner in mexico right commie love commie and yer mommie

“George W. Bush’s second inaugural address on January 20 stood out as a defining moment. Bush wrapped a grim record of presidential abuses—an unprovoked invasion, extraordinary secrecy, tolerance of torture and indefinite imprisonments without trial—in the noble cloak of “freedom” and “liberty,” words he uttered 27 and 15 times respectively, as if words can amend truth.

Bush’s speech also ignored the fact that he and his supporters have consistently harassed and denigrated dissidents at home, often by tarring them as disloyal or crazy. Remember, for instance, the vicious attacks from the right against former Vice President Al Gore in fall 2002 when he questioned the justification for rushing to war with Iraq.”

Funny, I don’t see any of you cowards rushing to the war in Iraq. You just sit back in the USA and anonymously and vulgarly attack on the internet.
At least, you didn’t dessert your post to go to Alabama and snort coke during a time of war.

blah blah blah nobody cares commie except maybe your momma ya commie you lie lkike riug commie fagboy keep going and break your commie keyboard cause you don’t like nazi’ss

wah wah 4 more you commie whore

I win. Bush is a liar and impeachment in 2007 is your reward.

not only are you a commie but you are a stupoid commie- and a fagboy . What whining nobody cres about your stupid hyperlinks and nobody cares waht you say commie go get little boy for NAMBLA commie fagboy- they like commies… commie

you no win commie fagboy- read history commie- commies never win -join french army surrender take it up ass- lioke it become american liberal- you stupid commie— you no win-- you losw

4 more stupid commie fagboy whore

like bugs bunny used to say what a marooon.

you lose commie- commie always lose your facts wrong 4 more years no impeachment law changed Bush run again win - commie sad no one listen to commie- commie surrender be good commie pinko go home yankee commie yer momma wants you commies

nite nite commie boy- lights out all good commies go to bed and dream of 4 more bush years but you no get bnush you get more commie pinga it’s been fun commie boy

IMPEACHMENT

Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General John David Ashcroft

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from
Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and
Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H.
Rumsfeld, and Attorney General John David Ashcroft have committed violations and
subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with
impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights
of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial
executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those
reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law;
carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting
in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and
locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its
government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

5) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign
governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media
and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

6) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a

nobody cares commie fool nobody reads your crap commie fool

mid-term elections dems lose 3-4 more seats because they are commie like you commie. you not insurgent you traitor- and commie- you are staring to misspell your words commie tou love BUSH say it commie you love bush you love bush you love bush - see you say that you no more commie fagboy you good patrriot boy you love bush don’t you good boy good boy dead commie you love bush - say it boy say it

Cowards, here is a link for you to join Georgie Girl’s illegal war: http://www.tvnewslies.org/JOIN_UP2.pdf

The US Army has a no ask, don’t tell on stupidity too. But then cowardice trumps stupidity, doesn’t it chickenhawk neo-convert!

Georgie girl hired me to shame cowardly stupid trailerpark trash like you into joining his army. Iran is next and you will fit right in with the other soldiers who used to work at Walmart. Uncle Rummy wants you because you’re stupid enough to vote for Bush.

Does anyone else think the American Insurgent is just arguing with himself and just ruining a board that could actually have real debate on it?

Matilda-
I missed understood what you meant by “animals”. However, surely you must understand that a lot of people may make the same mistake I did. You didn’t mean it as an insult, but as soon as you say that cons act like animals in how they treat each other, I and anyone else who voted for Bush takes it as an insult.

if bush was a democrate carl rove and ken starr would tear him a new ass hole.

Actually Brad, reading the last couple of pages I think you’re right.  Sometimes I cannot resist fighting fire with fire.  I could explain myself in much greater detail but this is just a message board and I have a life. 

Psychologically I think a lot is going on here that is not what it seems.  The ‘true believers’ as I call them, the hard-core conservatives, have an extraordinarily extreme agenda.  One that I think is not generally advertised to the ordinary voter. 

I feel such a deep revulsion to the slaughter that has recently taken place in Iraq for instance.  I can only think that the people who ridicule such feelings cannot possibly imagine what it must be like to lose loved ones, or else are so brain washed as to be beyond empathy.

As for republican voters also sickened by the bloodshed but seeing it as a ‘necessary’ evil, I just think you have been very seriously misled.  We were under no threat from Iraq.  Iraq couldn’t have attacked mainland America in it’s wildest dreams.  This whole notion was nonsensical.

Also, this country has no real left wing to speak of.  You have the right-of-center party, and the extreme right-of-center party, and that’s pretty much it.  The media reflects this status quo and all the major television networks are owned by corporations broadly sympathetic to conservative values.

America faces a future of being marginalized in the world, which may not mean too much now, but just wait ten years and see how it feels not to be able to get trade agreements or cooperation in other matters.  It’s already happening now.  Rumsfeld can’t enter Germany or else he runs the risk of being arrested for war crimes.  What would America do?  Invade Germany, France, any other nation that opposes it? 

The problem here is that America and the conservatives do not have any moral authority over the rest of the world.  It just thinks it has. Who put us in charge, we did, no one else. 

When we torture prisoners we are told its a matter of national security, but when other nations do it then they’re abusing people’s human rights.  The irony here is extraordinary. 

Brad, I do not know why you voted for Bush, but I’ll be straight with you, I think the conservatives are damaging this country very badly, not to mention killing, torturing and humiliating thousands of people in the middle east.

As the British in Northern Ireland found out, or the Israelis with the Palestinians, you can’t keep abusing people year after year and expect them just to forget about it.  Human nature does not let people who have been wronged forget that easily.

Mean while the real criminals responsible for 911 go free, and you the man who’s job it was to catch them gets reelected.  I feel like I’m living in a fantasy movie.

The same is true here at home with socially security.  You cannot threaten people’s financial security without it at some point in the future coming back to haunt you.  Dividing people into rich and poor, and letting the poor fend for themselves is an ego trip and always backfires on those who attempt to do it. 

I personally cannot explain why so many people voted against their interests in this election, but they did, and at some point or other they’re going to realize what they have done.  If I am wrong about this then great!  I just don’t think I am, and I cannot switch off my brain and just hail the almighty ‘leader’.

Matilda you are a friggin commie too

This is a message board for an article about the irresponsible mainstream media, not gay-bashing and liberal-bashing. I’m not the one who is obsessed with gays and animals. I actually provided reality-based arguments on the issue, which is more than many here can say.
The first comment was about Kerry’s purple hearts. If you can’t win the argument, then change the subject.
Matilda, I thought you were on my side. That’s one of our main problems. Trying to get along with these irrational idiots. When they insult other liberals, you don’t agree with them. The neo-converts stick together and stay on their message no matter how stupid the message. They cannot win if we stick together and expose them for the hypocrites they are. The point is Bush’s inaugural was nonsense.

Brad,
Who is really ruining this board. I wasn’t posting that vulgar ignorant nonsense last night, were you?
How about an actual argument. If you have no argument, then it is you who are ruining it.
Bush lied about WMD. Prove me wrong!

Good for you, Americaninsurgent, for hanging in there.  I assumed the dog-kids were just that, little computer geeks who have no friends, whose parents will be home soon.  Or they were getting paid to be so blithe and deliberately stupid.  I admired your veracity.

The violence with which concerned citizens are being verbally attacked concerns me, because its inevitable result will be physical.  Won’t it?  What would it take to get these mindless witch-hunters to feel justified in committing the usual murder and mayhem of animals and/or fascists?  The Nuremberg Trials taught that it doesn’t take much.

Maybe I’ve been listening to Alex Jones too long; but there comes a time when reason and restraint won’t hold back the tide.

Bush did not lie about WMD, he was wrong. There is a difference. When his CIA director says that it is a “slam dunk” then what should the president think?

AmericanInsurgent, don’t you realize you are in the minority? A very small minority, and those who voted for Bush are the majority? So when you call 57 million or so people “irrational idiots” you turn them away from your message.

Matilda, I guess we disagree on what left-wing is. You don’t think people like Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, and everyone else who Moveon and Goerge Soros give money to, are left-wing.

To say that Saddam could never have made a mainland attack is so shortsighted. Did people think UBL would have been able to do it in 1998? Our government did not.

I think this is the biggest problem with the far-right and the far-left (I consider progressives far-left), that you do believe that you are on the same page as most of the country when you are not. Gay marriage for example, take a poll of those who read this magazine, probably 95% at least are pro-gay marraige. However 66% of the nation are against it (I am for it, I don’t see the big deal). Now that is just one issue, but there is a trend here.

Now the Social Security debate. Anyone who has ever doubted Bush’s ability to articulate a strong argument needs to watch the state of the union. I saw people who are on the left, people who hate Bush, sit stunned, saying “wow, that actually makes a lot of sense”. This system is not a crazy idea, all it says is that the government is bad at investing your money, so you should do it on your own.

By the way, Pats 23 Eagles 14

shut up already you goddam stupid fag commie asshole nobody believes your stupid crap except other commies , I don’t even rad your stupidity- I just see your name and respond to the stuoidy that is your name- you ain;t no hero pal- just another stupid commie fag-- so shut up already asshole- you need to have some sense nocked into your commie head.....

Brad, Get real.  You defend George by saying he was lied to by his appointed advisors.  The I’m not lying, I’m too stupid to lie defense.  And Valerie Plame?  What’s your take?  What was that all about?

If you had a clue about history you’d know progressives have never had any governmental power in this country.
What victories we’ve had are the consequence of mass movements and moral arguments.  We’re never going to shut up and go away, and you would be awfully sorry if we did. We’re the creative, imaginative ones.  We ask all the interesting questions. We’re the artists, the visionaries, the seekers of uncomfortable truths.  Without us, AmeriKKKa would just be a corporate death camp. 

Who were these lefties stunned by bush’s SS plan?

I can’t speak for Matilda, but I’ll accept Kucinich as a progressive.  The rest are stock liberal oligarchs.

Ted Kennedy is the most liberal senator in the country.

I never said progressives should shut up and go away. I honestly don’t care whether you stay or go. Like you said, progressives have never had any power (which is false, Woody Wilson and TR were both considered progressive presidents, but that was a long time ago) but that shows how out of the mainstream and how much they differ from the average American.

I fell asleep while you were babbling about how important you and the 5% of the country that agrees with you...I woke up when you called our country AmeriKKKa and how we are going to be a corporate deathcamp. I can play that game too, without us our country would be communist and suppressing individualism

“A corporate deathcamp”

Brad,
Was Kerry a liberal or was your president lying about that, too? This very small minority won the popular vote in 2000 even by your calculations and last I checked 48-49% is not a small minority. So not all of those voters are progressives but they did vote for the so-called most liberal senator.
Besides, the neo-converts are an even smaller minority. Most Bush voters do not understand the radical neo-con agenda and if they did they would throw these imperialists out.
The PIPA poll showed that the vast majority of Bush voters were completely misinformed about the truth on WMD and the lack of any connection to al Qaeda. That was either because the media continued to spread the Bush propaganda even after it was proven false or these people were just not very well informed. Either way it is not exactly a ringing endorsement for your wired president.
You probably still believe they found WMD’s in Iraq. If not you are in the small minority of those genius Bush voters.
Explain to us why Powell and Rice publicly said Saddam was not a threat and had no WMD’s in early 2001. Were they lying or just misinformed? Either way it should be obvious to even you that a bunch of incompetents are running our foreign policy.
Why didn’t your president order the troops to guard the “known WMD sites” if he was telling the truth about the real reason for preemptive war?
Why order the inspectors out of Iraq to attack when we had him surrounded and the inspectors would have verified the truth within weeks?
Bush lied and it is well established that the media helped him lie.
The NYT was ready to print the story proving Bush was wired at the debates but that left wing bastion decided not to publish the truth about Bush cheating at the debates because it might affect the election. I know it’s hard to believe Bush was actually getting help at any of his debate debacles but it is true and the media covered it up.

I agree that Kucinich might be the only true progressive in Congress. However, at least Boxer is standing up to the bully pulpit.

Instead our country is fascist and arresting dissidents. We’re glad you’re on the job.

So, now Kennedy is the most liberal. Was Karl Rove lying?

See if this wartime strategy sounds familiar Bush supporters: “Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Second in Command

Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said if you tell a lie often enough, and with enough conviction, the people will believe it as truth. The Bush administration, aided by an acquiescent media, has proven the truth of Goebbels’ words.

So, I call you Bush lovers neo-fascists based on my knowledge of history. Karl Rove is the propaganda minister for your president and he is operating from the Nazi playbook. And, based on your posts against me and others on this site, it appears that you are in on the plot. If you don’t learn history, then you are doomed to repeat it.

Brad,
T.R. was just your typical machivelian politician playing the dems and pubs against each other while making some cheap brownie points with the Progressive movement.  He was never part of the movement.  Wilson a progressive, my ass.  Read the history dude, don’t rely so much on conventional labels.  Check out the Palmer raids and women’s suffrage movement and come back and tell me what a progressive he was.

If you don’t care what we say or do, why do you even bother to comment in a progressive web-mag?

And I’d really like to know what you think.  If the whole damn Bush administration wasn’t lying like pigs in the their own shit, why did they think they had to discredit everyone in the defense establishment who disagreed?

O yeah.  If Wilson was such a progressive, why did Eugene Debs, the most successful progressive candidate for US president ever, have to run from prison?

If you want to know about relately successful progressive candidates, check out Sinclair Lewis, all-American boy.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/debs-speech.htm

Hey Brad,
John Fogerty’s singing about your president.

I see you whining commie puke are still whining- you are all an insult to the founding fathers of this country- I cannot wait until the “cleansing” of you commie puke from America- A patriot

This time we’re not gonna wait for the fascists to come for us, we’re coming for you.
Dubya can’t stand dissent. So, let’s give it to him everyday, everywhere he goes.

whine commie puke- whine--

try yer best commie fagboy- good luck-is the hunting season on commie traitors open yet- I am all loaded and ready rid American soil of all commie insurgents yeah you first commie fagboy---this is W.A.R.

Hey Brad, and everyone else also, my point about the left wing in this country was that these things are all relative.  In any other country in the world, barring dictatorships, the American Democratic party would be seen as a centerist or right of center party.  It’s all relative. 

My point is that America itself has become such a right wing culture that even centerist movements look extremely left wing.  It’s crazy.  This country could afford a National Health Service, free at the point of use, in a heartbeat.  To suggest such a thing though is to risk being labelled a communist or worse.  This country has shifted so far to the right it can’t even see itself objectively anymore.  Hard line conservatives have been in control of the government and of the media for way too long, they are entrenched, and their values have come to be seen as ‘normal’ or ‘common sense’.  Of course, they are nothing of the sort.

This is why the rest of the world is so against us, they simply haven’t been drinking the same Kool-aid.  The Europeans for instance are not subjected to the America media, so their level of capitalist brain washing is lower and their media relatively free of corporate involvement.  Relatively!

Even in England, the land of our closest allies, a million people took to the streets to protest Britan’s involvement in the war.  Where in America did a million people take to the streets at one time to protest the invasion of Iraq?  Do the British have more integrity than us?  No, just a significantly more neutral and informative media.  Same goes for France and Germany.

The reason for the political apathy and inertia in this country is the years of being told what to think by every facet of the media, from the nightly news to sitcoms.  They’re all subtly loaded with a right wing world view, pro wealth, pro status quo, pro American ‘dream’. 

I’m talking about the majority here, not everything, but its like a trickle effect.  The subtle but consistant promotion of a certain world view may be hardly noticable in a year, but after forty years the effect becomes compounded, and clear.  Clear that is for certain minorities, and of course the rest of the world who think we’re very strange. 

Arnold Schwarzenegger becoming governor of California, or George W. Bush, the most immoral and incompetant president in living history, being re-elected.  The rest of the modern industrialised world thinks we’re nuts.  Heads of state may be pragmatic in the face of a situation they cannot change, but ordinary people outside of the American media’s sphere of influence think we’ve taken a dive off the deep end.  And we have!

Americans are not stupid, as in genetically lacking in any way, but there has just been a gradual dumbing down of political and social thought processes until very few people are able to think outside the box, and when they do they are vilified.

For those of you that don’t care what the rest of the wolrd thinks, it’s because you’ve been programmed to have as little empathy for your fellow human beings as possible.  That’s just my opinion.  Normal, healthy, human beings care what other people think of them, they take it into consideration when making descisions.  Normal, healthy, countries care what their neigboring countries think of them.  Normal, mentally healthy people have friends, and so do nations that are acting responsibly.  Lots of friends, not just an entourage of syncophants.

Anyway, to come back to the Democrats.  Quite simply they are the best we have at the moment and have occasionaly made us proud.  I fear however that the last time this country took any sort of meaningful step to the left, to greater equality and security, was sixty years ago with the New Deal.  And even that is being dismantled as we speak. 

I think there are some amazing people in the Democratic party, I just fear that the culture we live in at the moment will never allow these people to spread their wings, not unless they ‘play the game’ anyway.  The ‘game’ by the way is putting corporate interests first, and all other considerations next.

Besides, parties are one thing, policies another.  The question as always is what do you believe is right, not, what football team do you support.  Political parties are not teams to be supported, with elections treated as some sort of superbowl.  This is real life, not a circus show.

I would like to see everyone in this country eventually vote for the Democrats, but not simply because it’s our team.  I truly think the republican party is beyond help at this point and will never again truly represent the interests of ordinary people.  The Democrats however can, in my opinion, can be saved, and in the process become a genuine force for good.

oink oink commie bitch

At least I don’t post during the Superbowl. That is unamerican!

Whatever, moron boy.  Did your mother not give you enough attention when you were a kid?  Ahhhhh.

Thanks for all the support.
Why don’t you and Brad get a room in Berlin?

oink -oink commie fagboy & commie faghag too!!

W.A.R.

Whew! That was exhausting, trying to locate any substance in an otherwise absurd thread. ITT gang, y’all must either laugh like hell or shake your heads in bewilderment when stuff like this stacks up, gzus kryst!

I better watch my mouth, or someone will want to make W.A.R. on my commie mommy or some shit.

My last post was directed at ‘all libs are commies’.

sni snif commie faghag

Sorry Matilda.

awww- commie pukefest-- so sweet- commies lovin commies-

Anyone interested in reading an interesting article about the possible similarities between the current administration and Nazi Germany in the thirties should check out:

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_02_14/article.html

‘The American Conservative’ magazine, of all things.  Even some conservatives think this is a weird and possibly dangerous time.  Read it, and think again about the venomous right wing nonsense that has been appearing on this site.

the only nazis in this country are the feminazis- liberals are commies who need to make up nazis to make themselves look legitmate..no more commies makin up their stupid Bullshit lies and paranoia. we waiteds for years for a Good President to cleanse us of the liberal commie left. so whine all you want about your stupid tolerance- diversity bullshit but YOUR time- the liberal time is up in this country and now you just can’t stand it- your idiot lurch kerry lost- you lost in congress - you are losing everywhere in America and you will continue to lose....

I’ve read many of the letters posted on this site and am amazed at how right-wingers enjoy resort to name-calling when they begin to lose their argument.It’s funny that a term like"liberal"should become such a demonizing word,especially when,in right-wing use,it means those who disagree with them.
Well,two can play at this game,if needed.Why not,from now on,those on the left refer to republicans as the “Re-party"and its members as “Re-partisans”?"re"as in represive,regressive and repulsive.I wonder if they would enjoy such dehumanization.
Disagreement is not treason...yet.
With that vented,let’s look at what is happening and being ignored by the re-party.Our manufacturing jobs are replaced with low-waged service jobs that barely allow survival.Labor is being systematically subjugated by management who use lobbyists instead of thuggery to deal with labor problems.OSHA has been gutted,one of Bush’s first actions in office.Finally,big-business,one the biggest contributors to,and beneficiaries of,our sytem is told they no longer have to pay taxes if they put a mailbox on a tropical island.The Re-party calmly dismisses this as class warfare,which it is-by the rich upon the poor.Where is the discussion of this?Instead we prattle in circles about who served where and when.Remember this though,Re-partisans,you opened that issue and kept it open during Clinton’s administration.
Let’s talk about the war.Anyone who says this war is about freedom,or even(non-existent)w.m.d.’s is incredibly naive.It’s about oil and who controls that resource,nothing more.While many Re-partisans are history buffs well,their own version, they seem to forget that we helped put Hussein in power to get back at Iran,another oil-rich country who wouldn’t do as we said.We armed Hussein with the very weapons we were looking for and let him have carte blanche in his country.Just give us cheap oil.By the way,those mass graves in Iraq were filled during the 1980’s,during the Reagan and Bush administration.I heard not one complaint from the Re-party then.
Re-partisans need to realize they are being conned it isn’t a neo-con it’s the same old con:side with us and you’ll benefit.No,you won’t.Consider this, has gasoline declined in price?No.Why was the price artificially inflated?we were afraid the war would jeopardize flow and production.That did’nt happen yet the price is still high.Who benefits?Bush and his oil cohorts.

It’s hard work making thoughtful, intelligent, well reasoned arguments when you’re stupid. Anonymous threats and insults are so much easier.

Did you see in the news yesterday bush took 109 million dollars for his campaign for pres. from the porn industry.I like that for my family values. I love a president who was a drug addict and alcholic till he was 39. If he was a democrate carl rove and ken starr would tear him a new ass hole.

How is Bush helped by higher oil prices? The higher price of oil hurts the average American financially and will therefore be less likely to vote for Bush or the Republican party.

And, dick, the fact that you say that we use liberal as a bad word is laughable. You must have not seen consevative, or neo-con all over this board. And the fact is liberal and conservative or just different labels we put on people have a certain set of viewpoints.

Matilda, your views are a lot different than mine but you should get your facts straight. The Great Society program was a HUGE step to the left. It did its job but when Nixon came in and cut all the programs, it didn’t lead to a rise in poverty like everyone thought.

“They’re all subtly loaded with a right wing world view, pro wealth, pro status quo, pro American ‘dream’.”

I have a big problem with this statement. “Right wing world view”? Will and Grace is one of the most popular shows in the country and I think we can agree it is anything but right wing. What about the Daily Show? The fact that you threw sitcoms in there when most of the entertainment industy is liberal is ridiculous. I actually think the media is very leftwing, and just about every survey done confirms that too.

And what is wrong with being pro-wealth? if it is someone’s goal in life to start their own business, hire people and make hundreds of thousands or even millions, isn’t that a worthwhile goal? Maybe not in your mind, but ambition is what got our country where it is today.

And that is the problem I think with you Matilda. You don’t like where our country is right now, you wish we were more like France or Germany, and you’ll find as usual that you are in a tiny minority.

I also think that it is quite condescending to say that Americans who support Bush or the war have been brainwashed. Like you are someone who is so brilliant that you have been able to survive the mind control from the government. Please.

Brad! you’re back. With a new batch of shallow, inaccurate historical analysis.

Nixon didn’t cut all the War on Poverty programs.  He kept the ones that provided subsidies for his political friends and kept the poor dependent (food stamps, AFDC, Sec.8). He evicerated those progressive programs (JobCorps, Community Development Corporations, Head Start, etc.) that held a chance of empowering poor communities.

If the rich weren’t greedy, they wouldn’t be rich.  I guess greed is ok if you call it ambition.

I think it might help you to understand the difference in the views, left and right, per the “Media” this way.

You see the “Media” in terms of content. If a program shows culturally libertarian characters in an urban setting, it is liberal.

Matilda (and I) see the “Media” in terms of context. If a program portrays urban homosexuals and their friends as amoral, self-absorbed and ridiculous buffoons, it is serving the purposes of right-wing propaganda.

The most despicable aspect of the “Media” is the constant rain of commercial massage that inflames and deifies the unbridled desire for more and more and more useless shit.

Like Ozymandias, you should enjoy your moment of triumph while you can.  We’ll see who’s in the majority when your dreams of empire come crashing around our ears.

I also find it telling that in your attempt to be sarcastic you would wonder how someone of Matilda’s obviously superior intellectual and moral development could have possibly eluded the programming of government mind control.

We’re talking about right-wing propaganda, dumbass.  And if you feel I’m being condescending, you’re right.  But don’t worry.  Just sit back in your easy chair and have another sip of that Kool-Aid.  Mmmm-mm, good!

Red Dogg, not one of these people in GITMO have
either been charged or convicted of any crimes, they are not the scumbags, your NAZI President
and people like you who SUPPORT torture are
the real scumbags. Get your trolling butt off the
ITT board NOW !

Just call them what they are, neo-fascists and Nazis. For some reason, they don’t seem to like that. Brad thinks it destroys my credibility to call his president what he is: a compassionate fascist.

Anyone with a liberal arts education and an analytical mind does not accept the mainstream media’s version of the news. Whether you call the media right wing or left wing they are not doing their job any longer and it is time to hold them accountable for their failure to be a legitimate check on the powers that be.
What kills me about you neo-fascists is you claim to be against “big government” when Clinton or another democrat is the president but while your president and your congress is running up the biggest deficits in history under Reagan and Bush and fighting illegal wars, it is not just OK, but anyone who objects is a traitor and a commie. Those are not tax cuts for the rich; they are tax deferrals because your liberal president insists on submitting irresponsible budget after irresponsible budget and running up record deficits.
If Bush was really a conservative, then he would reduce the corporate welfare and the rest of his wasteful spending and/or increase revenues by making his base pay their fair share of taxes. In 2001, Bush inherited a surplus and he ran up record deficits in no time. 9/11 is no excuse for his redistribution of wealth to the rich and powerful.
Sorry, but look around Brad and reddog and all of the other right wing idiots ruining this site this country is closer to the old communist Russia than 1the free country I grew up in. And it’s your fault for supporting this thoroughly incompetent president and it is Brad’s left wing media’s fault for betraying their liberal ideals for spreading Rove’s propaganda to the sheep.
Your president was too stupid to debate Kerry without Rove in his ear and he still lost all 3 debates. The liberal NYT killed this story before the election. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2012 What liberal media?
If Kerry had cheated at the debates, then the media would have crucified him. Why should they let your stupid president get away with cheating? Yeah, the bad tailor story was really believable. C’mon admit it your president cheated and the corporate right wing media let him get away with cheating.
And he and his brownshirts lie on a daily basis while the “liberal media” refuses to even confront them on their lies. You right wing zealots are the real commies!

I do not think there is a liberal media, I think that some media members are liberal and others are conservative and sometimes it comes out in there reporting. The fact that you say there is no free media and you read this magazine is ironic.

Also, Bush is so stupid, he lost all three debates, but wait a second, more people voted for him then any other president ever.

Corporate right-wing media HA! Oh yeah, Ted Turner loves Bush, and absolutely hates the UN. What about CBS and the Dan Rather controversy? Bill Moyers is about to get sued for slander as he brutally misquoted James Watt (interior secretary under Reagan).

I’m not a right wing zealot. I am on the left of the president, I’d consider myself a lot like Christine Todd Whitman or George Pataki, don’t say I’m a zealot.

Brad,
Let me quote you from Saturday: “Now for your biggest mistake, claiming that this country has a right-wing media. Almost every poll of journalists say that the heavy majority considers themselves liberal. Do you want to say fox news is favors the right a little, fine. But you can’t say that the Clinton News Network (CNN) does not go to the left. Lets not mention CBS considering they ran a bogus story about Bush’ military record. Print media.....NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, the list goes on and on, are all left wing (check out the editorial pages), only right wing I can think of is .Wall Street Journal. Radio is right wing, but maybe its because no one is listening to left wing shows.”
So, have we convinced you now that the media is not left wing or liberal? You want right wing editorials: George Will, Traitor Bob Novak, Kristol, Brooks, Safire, Krauthammer . . . . And CBS’s story was true--Bush was a spoiled brat whose Dad protected him from his own cowardice. Bush lied about his desertion, etc.; and the mainstream media let him skate on that too. The CBS story was another Rove propaganda coup. Divert attention away from the real story--Bush’s lies about his dishonorable service in the Texas Air National Guard and his failure to show up for duty in Alabama.
You don’t like being called a zealot but you don’t object to being called a commie. The vast majority of the sheep who voted for Bush would not consider themselves right wing zealots. So, why did you vote for a right wing zealot?

Brad,
So you’re a liberal Republican.  So why do you drink the right-wing Kool-Aid?  Wake up!

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Check it out. Think about it.

First of all, I never called you a communist. I believe you are a socialist, but if you say I’m wrong I would believe you. I don’t believe W is as big of a zealot as people make him out to be. Sure he is not a big fan of gays, but I believe that if he getst he ammendment passed it won’t be an outright ban, it will just make it a states’ rights issue, which is at worst a start for national gay marraige.

Like I said before, there are liberals in the media and conservatives in the media. The majority of media members are on the left, that does not mean it effects there reporting, also are you ready to admit that the media is not as right wing as you once thought?

Luminous, I am not a liberal republican, I am a moderate. I am on the left of the president on social issues like gay marriage, abortion and a lot of other stances. However I like his tax policies and I support the war on terror.

Brad,
First of all, my name is not dick. If you looked at my posting you could reasonably determine that my first name starts with a"W".This,again is another example of juvenile name calling,the purpose of my essay was to illustrate this.

Secondly,Bush and his family are in the oil mafia...I mean business.Bush could care less if anyone votes for him,even before the election he didn’t care.He made his money and sealed his deals.Bush will leave office,retire to his ranch,and probably write a book of insipid political philosophy that Re-partisans will devour.Curiously,if Bush does write a book,it will be the only one to have a rough draft written in crayon."Many of our imports come from other countries"-George W. Bush.Really?What about the rest of our imports?
Thirdly,the use of conservative and neo-con have not been given the same demonization as liberal.Liberal is used to describe left-wing dissent because"commie"and"pinko"have been rendered obsolete by the fall of the Soviet Union.Furthermore,many people will say they have conservative views and a lot of them,including so-called liberals do.However,once one disagrees with this administration,and this strain of reactionary philosophy,one is suddenly deemed a liberal,an enemy to be be zealously,mercilessly and gleefully attacked and destroyed.Lack of compromise and a combative perspective are hallmarks of this administration.Curiously they are also traits of fascism.

Q:what’s the definition of a fascist?
A:a carnivorous sheep.

Speaking of fascism and,what I find amusing about Re-partisans is their delusion that there is some liberal media,a bete noir out to subjugate the minds of an unsuspecting populace.Drivel.Time to change the tinfoil in your hat. While many reporters and performers are liberal,most network and studio heads are conservative.Guess whose views wins out? No,what Re-partisans are complaining about is criticism and dissent from the opposition.
Disagreement is not treason...yet.

True true true
The media is a complete joke and the Bush admin are all crazy liars.
“Businessweek” states that Social Security is not in crisis and there are plenty of ways to fix potential shortfalls without massive overhauls that really do put it in crisis.
Hopefully, common sense and decency will overcome Bush’s latest assault on our future.
Thank you to all the posters who are freethinkers and truly care about humanity.
Y’all got balls.  :)

Brad,
Liberalism is moderation. Liberalism is open-mindedness, even-handedness, pragmatic.  Liberal means willingness to listen to both sides of a question. In a democratic republic, Liberalism is dead center in the middle of the road.  Liberalism may be to the left of Conservatism, but to think Liberalism represents the left Progressive spectrum of political thought is a profound intellectual error.  Liberalism has no ideological agenda other than to preserve the status quo.  If you mean this kind of Liberalism, I would agree, most journalists are Liberal, as well they should be. It merely means they are refraining from inserting bias into their work.  But in the US, the word liberal has been tainted by decades of Conservative propaganda seeking to label it as “far left liberal”, “knee-jerk liberal”, “tax and spend liberal”, “big government liberal” and so on.  Is it because of these invidious connotations that you are loath to embrace the word?

Or are you one of these Ayn Rand-ian Libertarians who believe in the innate superiority of “Western Civilization”, the illusory magic of the unregulated marketplace, and the amoral fabrication of “rational self-interest”?

You don’t have to fool ALL of the people ALL of the time, just SOME of the people ALL of the time.  This has been the great discovery of the neo-conservatives.

WEALTH

One of the myths propagated by the American media is that the rich have money because they’ve worked hard and frankly deserve it.  Another is that the poor are reasonably happy, and put up with a lot of crap in the hope that if they too ‘work hard’ they will one day achieve the good life. 

In reality there are millions of people who break their backs for very low wages, who will never see the ‘good life’, and the reasons for this are many.`

Most ‘successful’ people are born into fairly comfortable, even wealthy, families.  They posses a level of confidence and self esteem that often enable them to operate well in the real world.  This however they mistake for superiority.

The funny thing about social Darwinism is that the poor of the world are actually the ‘fittest’ in evolutionary terms.  They survive and procreate in the face of terrible conditions, the likes of which would have most rich kids running to their parents. 

My point is that the rich are not necessarily the best, and the idea that they ‘deserve’ their wealth is on many occasions ridiculas.

Of course it is a reasonable idea to want to reward achievement.  I just don’t see what sort of achievement buying and selling shares is for instance.  This society doesn’t really reward achievement.  The people who control the wealth in general reward people who are obedient, and people who share their values. 

Yes anyone can start a business, but can anyone get funding? Do ordinary people have the self-belief that comes from being born into money?  Some do, but most don’t, and our culture tends to glorify the rich while demonizing the poor.

I am very pro wealth, but not in the same way that most conservatives would use the phrase.  I believe for instance that taxation is a good thing, but only when it is spent on things like public education or health care.  I want to contribute to my community, to invest in everyone’s future.  This is something that always seems to confuse conservatives, they do not seem to realize that by investing in people today you create the employees, consumers and innovators of tomorrow.  It seems so obvious to me and yet there are people so dedicated to the winner-takes-all philosophy that they would rather shoot themselves, and their society, in the foot.

THE MEDIA

The problem with the America media is that, although not always in support of the republicans, it’s underlying ideas and values are broadly conservative.  This forms a base which the actually republicans can and do exploit.  It also explains why the Democrats have had to drift to the right over the years just to be heard.

The real power in this country, the corporations, decide who does, and does not, have a genuine political voice in the media.  This is why for instance I have said in the past that the Democratic Party is a centrist party at best, simply because anything else wouldn’t be tolerated by the mainstream corporate media.

Corporate wealth is so terrified of genuine left wing political thought that it labels a group of moderates like the Democratic Party left wing.  That way the real left wing looks almost communist, and the extreme right wing looks more moderate than it is.

THE ‘OWNERSHIP SOCIETY’

As for the so called ‘ownership society’.  Contrary to the conservative hype I actually do believe that government makes better investment decisions than the average person on the street.  I can’t afford to hire expert financial advisors, but the government can on my behalf.  That’s what they’re paid to do.  Politicians are after all public servants, and if they don’t do their jobs we get to fire them every four years (at least in theory).

You can’t give someone something they already own.  We all already own social security, medicare and public education.  The military, th