The war on terrorism declared by the United States on radical Islamists is little more than a proxy battle in a war between two cults. That is the provocative theory emerging from two award-winning investigative journalists from both sides of the Atlantic: Seymour Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New Yorker, and Adam Curtis, a well-known British documentary filmmaker and… return to article
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Reader Comments (44)Page 1 of 1 pagesThis article pretty well sums it up…“those in power often have to deceive their own uncomprehending citizens in order to protect the nation”. The Republicans are pulling out all stops to make certain that the American public is deceived. You can see it on the Social Security issue, the war in Iraq, the war on terror, Medicare, pushing for the black and hispanic votes, etc.
This is a well-planned and orchestrated movement and we, not just Democrats but all who oppose this new fascist America, must come back strong and organized, with a vision that calls to the masses. If democracy is to live, we must act now.
Posted by Margaret on Mar 10, 2005 at 6:10 PM The enemy and the buisness cycle might also be part of the puzzle. Oil companies benefit now from what economists call a ‘terror premium’,along with increasing demand, fear in the oil market created by our agressive foreign policy has lifted prices and also profits, something a leader from Midland Texas is accutely aware of. Oil’s main amigos are the military weapons merchants who talk about the ‘terror index’ and how near quarter projections of fear will firm up profits in this sector.
A new model for the business cycle might be centered on the fact that high oil prices damage consummer confidence leading to a recession which we climb out of by bombing the day lights out of some poor country, based on some bogus excuse .Who better to carry the oil and arms merchants water than the neo-cons?
Posted by Craig on Mar 10, 2005 at 10:56 PM sorry to interrupt your little Maureen Dowd- Helen Thomas lovefest but you all sound like a bunch of liberal snot nosed whiners. Hasn’t anybody in your liberal community college yet informed you that it is not cool to be a commie?
“if democracy is to live we must act now” -geez what did you do take a break from the feminazi school of thought to try and sound like abbie hoffman? you don’t know how ridiculously stupid you sound- what are you going to do throw birkenstocks and your copy of the vagina monolouges at the pentagon?
you poor misinformed- misguided fools
grab a tissue and get over the fact Kerry lost and Democrats will continue to lose unless they throw off the yoke of liberalism and socialism. America has renounced the true facism that is liberalism and political correctness .
Posted by welcome to the dog on Mar 10, 2005 at 11:37 PM No, Kerry didn’t lose, America did, you Nazi fascist. You and your kind think this is all some stupid game. You also obviously don’t understand the word fascism. Just look in the dictionary and you’ll see W’s face, jerk.
Posted by Margaret on Mar 11, 2005 at 12:57 AM I observe, thankfully, from a distance. Why is it that the Right always resorts to ad hominem and ad populem attacks in the face of reasoned argument ?
Try Peace
Posted by The Epistemologist on Mar 11, 2005 at 1:14 AM Name calling is always the last resort of someone who has nothing to say.
Posted by whats the truth? on Mar 11, 2005 at 4:22 AM to Epistemologist - do you think Margaret is on the right? Quote follows (asterisks are mine): “No, Kerry didn’t lose, America did, you ***Nazi fascist***. You and ***your kind*** think this is all some stupid game. You also obviously don’t understand the word fascism. Just look in the dictionary and you’ll see W’s face, ***jerk***.”
Or is it that both the left AND right have their share of people who engage in ad hominem and ad populem attacks? Personally i think it such behaviour is individual and not well correlated with political viewpoint.
May you find peace where ever you find yourself.
Posted by peacenik on Mar 11, 2005 at 3:56 PM I am a lifelong Democrat who worked on the Kerry campaign, specifically because I fear for our country in the hands of clueless idealogues. I lived in Germany for 2 years and I learned a great deal about how Hitler came to power and what he did when ensconsed on the throne. People who only spew empty-headed rhetoric as “welcome to the dog” did just infuriate me. It is not a time for non-sensical rhetoric, it’s a time for investigation into current activities within the government and then comparing the trends to those we find historically. Anyone who does this with an open, intelligent mind could never come to state such blatherings as “dog” stated.
Also, I am sick to death of Republicans calling me a socialist. I own a business that does over 2M business a year, I speak 4 languages and have two bachelor’s degrees. I have traveled extensively and am a news addict. So, you are incorrect if you think I’m on the “right”, and equally misguided if you feel I have “nothing to say”.
Posted by Margaret on Mar 11, 2005 at 6:23 PM Margaret
You should know by now, the resident troll, known by its marginally imaginative canine related noms de guerre, only posts here to infuriate. To respond with anger only fuels its pathology. It is much more effective to refer to it in only the neuter third person, and then in only the coolest analytic language, e.g., how it exhibits classic symptoms of repressed homosexuality, depersonalized alienation and internalized misanthropic tendencies by its obsessive need to express itself in a socio-pathic manner. We should not be angry with it, but should only feel pity, extend the compassionate desire that it may seek professional help and recognize how horrible it must be to exist imprisoned in such a tragically twisted psyche.
It is important that we understand how the present neo-con cabal manipulates and controls such weak phobic driven mentalities. The program was spelled out in the book “Semantics” by Sleepy Sam Hayakawa. A how-to manipulate people textbook, based on the easily observable principle that people’s opinions are not normatively formed by reason but rather by emotional associations of language. Hence the rise of focus-group shopped talking points and maddog right-wing talk radio. The dog-troll exemplifies the conditioned mindset of one so manipulated with its use of cliched terms as “feminazi” “politically correct” and conflating liberalism with communism, etc. I would bet dollars to donuts that in its own (what passes for a) mind it sincerely believes that these are not ad hominem attacks, but actually represent rational arguments.
What we in the reality-based community can do immediately to counter-balance this irrationalism among such a large segment of our people is problematic. As Mark Twain said, a lie can travel around the planet before the truth can get its boots on. I suggest we be sure our laces are tied and our powder is dry.
Posted by luminous beauty on Mar 11, 2005 at 8:13 PM Yeah, little more than a “proxy” battle. Just a tiff really. The jingoistic imperial Americans out for “Blood for Oil”. The Middle Eastern Islamists haven’t done anything to us or the women they beat down in their nations. It really is all about the RICO act and not them.
Peace. Solidarity. DEMOCRATIC GRASS MOVEMENTS WILL WORK ONE OF THESE DAYS MOVEON.ORG RULES TO THE HIZZLE!
FOR SERIOUS!
Sincerely- Mix Master Hip Hop everybody look at ME! NOW!
Posted by High Flava on Mar 12, 2005 at 2:04 PM It is telling that those who buy into the neo-con line and portray the implacable Islamist enemy as universally misogynist, themselves reveal misogynist tendencies. I personally find the traditional attitudes towards women in whatever culture more respectful than the modern reactionary, anti-feminist attitudes of the ditto-heads.
Posted by luminous beauty on Mar 12, 2005 at 9:31 PM Another characteristic of particularily wing-nut trolls is the blatant narcisism they display; whether in the reification of self-interest by so-called Objectivists or the identification with a jealous, vengeful, warrior sky-god who demands absolute obedience for the vain promise of unending continuity for their pathetic insignificant egos.
Posted by luminous beauty on Mar 12, 2005 at 9:57 PM And everybody wonders why the Bushes keep getting elected….
This is pathetic.
Posted by Unbelievable on Mar 13, 2005 at 1:59 AM There is no reason to wonder when you see the Republican political machine in all its tautological majesty. By consistently appealing to irrational repressed sexual fears/desires, and by reinforcing the neurotic and alienating pressure of an excessively idealized individualism directed toward an increasingly under-educated population, they have over 50+ years cultivated a pernicious astro-turf mass movement of unquestioningly loyal “True Believers” whose aggressive assertion of a domination driven, narcisistic, emotional impulsiveness has over-ridden their ability to reason. The outline of this strategy is clearly documented in the book “The True Believer” by Eric Hoffer.
Unfortunately for them, they have about reached their maximum political effectiveness, since having gained the reins of governance and knowing no more sophisticated philosophy of governance than brute force and intimidation, they have merely quickened the pace of the inevitable demise of the already increasingly untenable American Empire. It only remains to be seen how bloody they will become in the death-throes.
Posted by luminous beauty on Mar 13, 2005 at 3:32 AM Wow L.B.,thats a mouthful,I agree with you,I think,but can you repreat that in english please?
Posted by whats the truth? on Mar 14, 2005 at 2:23 AM “can you repreat that in english please?”
Let me second that, ‘whats the truth’, if Luminous Beauty ‘s argument is that those on the right are informed overly by emotional associations of language. Luminous Beauty’s posts underscore the dangers of the other extreme: overly intellectualized language.
Posted by phil Zweir on Mar 14, 2005 at 3:10 PM In response to the article, there is certainly a feedback loop in hand between the jihadists and the crusader faction, whose boy is sadly in the Oval Office. Having lived for years in south and southeast Asia, however, I respectfully submit that Mr. Muwakkil may imply an underestimation of the threat from the jihadists. Perhaps the focus of his article is simply make another point, but I think the jihadist movement bears serious watching, as much so as the crusaders who supposedly contend with them.
It’s evident that 9/11 spooked the majority of Americans into a state of near-irrational insecurity, and their historical sense of insularity and refusal to get a take on how the rest of the planet works and expresses itself has only strengthened since then, to near obsessive levels. You’ll also hear people actually say aloud idiocies like “we have too much freedom”, because the propaganda and endless harping on security issues has everyone ducking their heads, looking for a safe nest that never really existed. Insofar as that, I quite agree that the administration is provoking people into a state of ongoing trepidation, such that they’re tolerating a raft of legal and moral transgressions, even to allow the Constitution to be ignored and “talked around”, all in hopes that Bush et al will bring back a feeling of mythical safety.
However it is also true that interest in taking a shot at America has risen among young men and women in many Muslim countries, particularly as inspired by Jemmah Islamiyya and yes, al-Qaeda, for want of a better name. I would not be surprised to hear of some attack forthcoming from Hezbollah, considering recent events in Lebanon and the UN resolution calling for them to be disarmed. They think of themselves as holy warriors, as repugnant a thought from a Muslim as it is from an American. And to stress that point, as if it wasn’t self-evident, I repeat what so many others have said more eloquently, that US policy regarding Israel and Iraq, plus the half-assed approach to Afghanistan, feed the jihad movement against America and the west in general.
It mustn’t be thought for a second that I think these zealots speak for Islamic worshippers at large, the evidence for that is non-existent. But an upcoming generation of disenfranchised Muslim youth find it to be almost romantically attractive to take part in a holy war against what THEY see as the monolithic force: the US and its roughshod approach to world leadership. Does anyone doubt that we’ll see more sacrifice missions (e.g. self-guided car bombs) against civilians? Someone cheers for these kinds of things, someone pays for them and the training they require. Whether they’re a single, monolithic movement or not, it would be highly unwise to discount their patience and the attraction of their message, and the violence they feel God wants them to commit. More is sure to come.
Especially if the hyperpower continues to throw its weight around in such a visibly incompetent and destructive way, with crusader ethics spouting from their head-of-state’s lips. That’s the sickest part, all this crusader crap and bogus justification for war just feeds the fire. But a fire it is, and it has momentum. Shouldn’t be underestimated.
Posted by Kuya on Mar 14, 2005 at 3:42 PM Kuya,
Very important point! Fanaticism of whatever stripe needs to be confronted for what it is and defused.
what’s the truth and phil Zweir,
Sorry to overwhelm you guys with the rhetorical bits there. My sub-textual intent was to try to induce a little troll-repellent. It seems to have worked. Hope I didn’t give you the impression I’m a total blowhard, but thinkin’ is hard work.
Posted by luminous beauty on Mar 15, 2005 at 12:41 AM good points Kuya,and I think that the most importent point you brought up was that someone is paying for them.It seems to me thats the first question that needs to be answered. L.B.,sorry,I was just picking on you a bit.The best way to deal with the ‘dogs’,is to just not take the bait.They’re trying to bring the conversation down to a level where they can participate,and if you don’t respond,they get bored and go away. Peace.
Posted by whats the truth? on Mar 15, 2005 at 6:27 AM Just want to concur with “Whats the truth” on Kuya’s point that “someone cheers for these things and someone pays for them”. The un-answered questions surrounding the events of 9/11 would fill a book bigger than the report itself. And who those pilots actually worked for would be #1 on the list. I suspect that the reason Bush was so dismissive of questions about Osama during the campaign (and continues to ignore other seemingly vulnerable targets) is that he knew there was no danger. Osama played his part, perhaps unwittingly, buildings fell, and Bush got public approval for his true agenda, albeit by misrepresenting it.
Posted by Kenneth D. Brown on Mar 15, 2005 at 8:52 AM what’s the truth
I’ve never known a bully to give up his harassment because his victim tries to ignore him. Your avoidance is a clear signal that he is getting to you. In the physical world, confrontation may force a bully to recognize your courage, but he still has the reward of knowing he’s forced you to play his game. In the anonymous, physically unthreatening space of the internet, direct confrontation has no consequence. It just allows the troll to poison the well. What I’m trying to develop is a method to refer indirectly to the psychological mask the troll presents while speaking, in the language of his sub-conscious, to his core identity with the implicit message that he is not only failing to intimidate, but fueling the discussion.
A story to illustrate;
One day in high school, I was leaving the cafeteria with a pepsi in hand, when one of the school’s most notorious bullies came up to me and demanded “give me your pepsi.” I immediately spit the small sip that was in my mouth back into the cup and cheerfully offered it to him. Not only did I get to keep my pepsi, but this jerk never, ever bothered me again.
Posted by luminous beauty on Mar 15, 2005 at 5:25 PM Hey wake up….get your head out of your expressos, bathe…and breathe the FREE air that you can only breathe here in America. Perfect? No. Better than anywhere else…you’d better believe it. I’m not in this for discussion…just spreading my viewpoint…I have been everywhere, every crappy little place in the world…and also some of the best. Forget what your profs, or the guilty rich elitists (in Hollywood) are selling you to keep you voting in their corner and make up your own mind. I say every day in America is good enough for me. It’s Spring! Lighten the heck up and live a little…sans excessive tatoos, piercings and STDs. Thanks
Posted by Rattler on Mar 15, 2005 at 7:35 PM Rattler,
I’ve been all over this world, too, and I say that everyday in America we are sinking further and further down into the sinkhole of corporatism (fascism). I am nearly 50 years old, own a successful business and do all my research by myself. I have 2 Bachelors degrees, but those were earned back in the Reagan years, so no “professor” or Hollywood elite are telling me what to think.
God told us to be good stewards of what He has given us. I am a good steward of my mind, and read and research diligently. This leads me to conclude that the current train of thought in our Administration will, sooner rather than later, bring the America I have gladly known to destruction—replaced by a Orwellian one-party state with no Constitution and an unenforceable Bill of Rights. The air will not be “free” then.
If that’s what you want, I hope you enjoy your tatoos and espressos in the meanwhile. Best of luck when you become one of the “have-not” mules for Corporate America.
Posted by Margaret on Mar 16, 2005 at 5:57 PM Margret-
Some advice - stop. We all get it. You need to be heard. Find another outlet and stop posting all over this site.
Sincerely, Trian
Posted by Trian on Mar 16, 2005 at 8:09 PM Trian,
I do post at other sites. Also, have you ever heard of the 1st Ammendment?
Posted by Margaret on Mar 16, 2005 at 8:35 PM Rattler,No,America’s not perfect,the problem is that it’s getting less perfect every day.You need to get into the discussion and see if you need to change your viewpoint.Just because you’ve been everywhere does’nt mean you know everything.But keep talking,maybe you’ll change my view.Personally,I’m beginning to think that Margaret is right in her assertion that we have to fight for our rights,continuosly.Trian,Dude,was’ up?
Posted by whats the thuth? on Mar 17, 2005 at 1:03 AM OK all of you right wing interlopers who refuse to hear the message from the left side of the aisle.
Here it is laid out by one of your own:
In 1997, Zbigniew Brzezinski laid out the agenda in his book “The Grand Chessboard—American Primacy And It’s Geostrategic Imperatives”.
Of interest from said tome is the following:“The exercise of American global primacy must be sensitive to the fact that political geography remains a critical consideration in international affairs. Napoleon reportedly once said that to know a nation’s geography was to know its foreign policy. Our understanding of the importance of political geography, however, must adapt to the new realities of power.
For most of the history of international affairs, territorial control was the focus of political conflict. Either national self-gratification over the acquisition of larger territory or the sense of national deprivation over the loss of “sacred” land has been the cause of most of the bloody wars fought since the rise of nationalism. It is no exaggeration to say that the territorial imperative has been the main impulse driving the aggressive behavior of nation-states. Empires were also built through the careful seizure and retention of vital geographic assets, such as Gibraltar or the Suez Canal or Singapore, which served as key choke points or linchpins in a system of imperial control.”
“In that context, how America `manages’ Eurasia is critical. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa’s subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world’s central continent. About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.”
—-B Q Hempshackle
Posted by B Q Hempshackle on Mar 17, 2005 at 2:17 PM peace 1. freedom from disagreement or quarrels; harmony; concord 2. freedom from public disturbance or disorder; public security; law and order 3. an undisturbed state of mind; absence of mental conflict 4. calm; quiet; tranquility
civility 1. politeness, esp. in a merely formal way 2. a civil, or polite act or utterance
civilization 1. the process of civilizing or becoming civilized 2. the condition of being civilized; social organization of a high order, marked by the development and use of a written language and by advances in the arts and sciences, government, etc. 3. the total culture of a particular people, nation, period, etc. 4. the countries and peoples considered to have reached a high stage of social and cultural development 5. intellectual and cultural refinement
maturity 1. fully grown; fully developed, as a person, a mind, etc. 2. fully or highly developed, perfected, worked out, considered, etc. 3. a state of full development [a person of mature age]
enlighten 1. give the light of fact and knowledge to; reveal truths to; free from ignorance, prejudice, or superstition
——-Aspirations to be shared?
Peace, where’s the profit in that?
bongo
Posted by bongo on Mar 17, 2005 at 4:33 PM Rattler, here’s what you don’t get. If we (America) continue down the road being laid by the rightwingers/neocons then you dude, will not have the freedom to continue to be the person that you want to be.
You are what you are because of all the greatness of what this country is and if to many people support what the right wants to do to this country then it doesn’t take a genius to know that this country will no longer be what it has been. Simply put, we all lose. So go ahead and continue to fool yourself into thinking that by supporting the rightwing agenda that you will come out ahead. Like I said, fool yourself or maybe you should wake up before it’s to late.
Posted by Maxcat on Mar 17, 2005 at 8:07 PM I am convinced that anybody who is still fooled by this gang of assorted criminal frauds, is fooled because they choose to be.
I would like to suggest a bumper sticker that reads, “Choose not to be fooled.”http://politicsofet.com
Posted by Pat Sullivan on Mar 19, 2005 at 12:37 AM This is all great fun, but it raises an old and still unmentionable question : why are “nazi” and “fascist” the only really emotionally satisfying political insults in America? Why doesn’t it feel good to call the other guy a “stalinist”, for instance? This seems to work for the North Korean government, but it doesn’t seem to work for Bushco. Is it because so many of them are actually Trotskyites? What about Michael Ledeen, who actually has written books admiring fascism? What does he count as? Some sort of “evangelical”?
Posted by Rowan Berkeley on Mar 19, 2005 at 6:23 AM The Bush regime is following the secret doctrine of deceptive black majic. The ancient teachings of the New World Order is now being implemented in the final global takeover of the world.
Whilst the general public are being distracted by the fear of terrorism, the biggest danger comes from the encroaching control of the masses by survellence and RFID technology.
Terrorism is being used as an excuse to herd the people to except the microchipping and branding of humanity. A population that has been made docile through fear and propaganda will be more ready to live under the protective hand of Big Brother. The deception is such that the masses are being herded into an open prison of the biggest world dictatorship ever witnessed. Behind the benevolent smiles of the Bush/Blair fraternity lies a murky world of dark intrigue and manipulation. It is high time for us all to awake from slumber!!
Posted by paul exton on Mar 19, 2005 at 1:39 PM I watched “The Power of Nightmares”,
*twice* on the real-audio video.The thought struck me: This may be “The Iliad”
of *our* time.But I would like to add a “pet idea” I
have long held:
That, besides all this world-historical
“stuff”, there is another reason the U.S.
invaded Iraq: *Blood feud*, in which
George W Bush hijacked the U.S. ship of
state to go after “that man at one time
tried to kill my dad”. Substitute
Captain Ahab for George W Bush,
and Pequod for The Ship of State, and
Moby Dick for Saddam Hussein….
Posted by Brad McCormick on Mar 19, 2005 at 9:41 PM There are influences that have helped the development of religious cultism-Christian Zionism in America, and radical “Jihad Muslim Fundamentalism abroad. have. I urge everyone to read, and initiate widespread discussion of the book “Allies of Humanity vol. 1 & 2"by Marshall vian Summers. Among its posits are influences by interventionary forces upon governmental, corporate, and religious groups. It is my gut knowing that these posits are correct. Certainly the extremism of religion, politics, and corporate manipulation have gone far beyond ambition and “business as usual” .
Recently in February, Peter Jennings presented a two hour special on
“UFO’s and Unexplained Phenomena” which raised the possibility of an alien intervention. Intervention into our world would be
the most serious issue that humanity has ever yet to face. Yet widespread discussion of such a possibility has been nil despite widespread evidence around the world suggesting alien intervention.The documentary fell short of such disclosure but recognized the necessity for further investigationand the possibility of full disclosure. Disclosure of such an event would be tricky. It would reveal ineptitude of military; would present the possibility of influence or collusion by people in power without
public consent; and would present a host of questions for the world to ask: Questions such as: How can people begin to determine what can be “known” from a deeper place about the possibility of an alien intrusion into our world? Is there enough evidence already without waiting for a spaceship to land on the Whitehouse lawn, which might render other options nil?
What ramifications for spirituality and religion would such an event have? Why and for what purpose are they here? Has there been a pacification program facilitating a denial of this momentous possibility?How would the world unite to maintain its sovereignty? Is it possible, perhaps even probable, that an intervention is fueling the flames of violence and
environmental destruction just enough, that if their presence were disclosed, people would welcome them wholeheartedly, that they would be revered as benevolent and would “save us from ourselves”.Many of these questions have been addressed in the
revelations, books and practices written by Marshall v. Summers of Boulder, Colorado. Several of his books have already won major acclaim, Ben Franklin and Fortune Review Magazine awards; and several books are already in translation into other languages. The book “Allies of Humanity” addresses the questions I noted
in particular. It presents the tremendous risk
humanity faces yet emphasizes the freedom, unity, and spiritual growth that can be gained. Please consider, read, and initiate widespread discussion and exploration of what can be “Known” regarding the posits around “Intervention”. It may well be the driving force behind the extreme directions our government, many religious leaders, and corporate leaders have taken.
Posted by James M. Foreman on Mar 20, 2005 at 10:11 PM There are those who speculate the possibility that Bush and his cohorts are in mental and spirit contact with malignant alien forces, and it is these forces who are the real intelligence and guiding principle behind the policy of one world government.
These fallen beings (demonic in nature) agenda is to bring humanity under the direct rule of Abbadon,(Antichrist) The king of the bottomless pit.
The Bush regime is a pawn in the game being used by dark forces to enslave and to force mankind to serve this master race of degenerate spiritual beings. The stage is now set for the ultimate battle between good and evil.
Posted by Paul Exton on Mar 21, 2005 at 1:29 AM Is this to suggest that David Rockefeller is an alien being?
Posted by G R on Mar 21, 2005 at 2:22 PM Okay, all you extraterrestrials, time to fly on home. Great fun to fantasize, but that won’t bring the “ship around”. Let’s come back to Earth now.
In response to Rowan Berkeley’s question, “fascism” and “nazi” are not really intended as an insult. It is more correctly used as a statement of attitude and subsequent behavior in our current American political climate. If one studies the history of fascism, not only Nazism, the sorry steps our Administration is currently taking are leading an cowed and willingly ignorant public down the primrose path. When we use those terms, it is in an attempt to educate and awaken the sleeping American public.
Posted by Margaret on Mar 21, 2005 at 8:30 PM Were Jon Stewart and the The Daily Show not a regular go to for hope and inspiration, I might have missed the Jennings report, the gist of which was rather profound by general audience standards: that extraterrestrial beings know better than to have anything to do with us.
“God could only create by hiding himself. Otherwise there would be nothing but himself.”
—Simone Weil, ‘Gravity and Grace’Likewise, the BIG LIE as described by Adolph Hitler’s propaganda guy, Joseph Goebbles.
I wouldn’t go as far as to suggest that the neocons actually planned the 9/11 attack, though not beyond the realm of possibility, but I will continue to speculate that the plan of attack on that day was allowed to play itself out, without intervention, as a means for setting the stage as it were, for what was to follow and what continues to this very day.
Into the mystic: To believe in God is not a decision I can make, based on what information there is, or the lack of information thereof—I can only choose to not believe in false Gods, and to question those that portend to speak for God, and so on.
And so I find it strange that whenever someone claims to have had contact with an extra - terrestrial being, that they are immediately discredited… but when George Bush states that he got his orders to attack Iraq directly from God, then he suddenly becomes a hero in the American heartland. Clearly, it’s not what you know but who you know that gets you places.
The mystery (also referred to as, the grand illusion) is all part of the game.
Posted by Tim Christopher on Mar 22, 2005 at 10:16 PM To dare to venture into the realm of the conspiracy theory, it is certainly very possible that the neocons planned the whole operation of 9/11 “for what purpose” many would ask?
The answer might, or could be established within the politics of fear.
Create fear,hysteria,and the terrorist.
Solution = tighter control of the people,police state, surveillance of the world,the United States of America’ as global superman.
The emerging facism that the USA is now trying to impose across the world, (all in the name of democracy)is the power structure of big business conglomerates joining forces for world domination. Create a climate of fear, and insecurity,and then pacify the masses with consumerism.
This neocon rebuilding of the Tower of Babel like the Roman Empire will one day meet its own conclusion. It is a historical fact that all superpowers and empires will eventually face its own demise, mostly caused by the inner cancer of corrupt government.
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