The overwhelming absence of Black men has always been one of the most distressing facts about life in America’s public housing developments. In Chicago, for example, black women are the vast majority of lease holders in the Chicago Housing Authority; men are like ghosts in the projects. Besieged by poverty, disease, violence and mass incarceration, African-American men are conspicuously missing… return to article
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Reader Comments (66)Page 1 of 1 pagesImagine there’s no races,
It’s easy if you try,
No racial strife amongst us,
Around us only hope,
Imagine all the people
living for today…Imagine there’s no black community,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to fight or die for,
No white commununity too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace…Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world…You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you’ll join us,
And the world will live as one.
Posted by john on Jun 16, 2005 at 7:24 AM Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and yellow, red and white
They’re all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world.
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Just hope it’s not too bad when you come down.
Posted by Jack Barnes on Jun 16, 2005 at 9:11 AM The ink is black
The page is white
Together we learn
To read and write.A child is black
A child is white
The whole world looks
Upon the sight
A beautiful sight.And now a child
Can understand
That this is the law
Of all the land
All the land.The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day
and then by night.A child is black
A child is white
Together they grow
To see the light
To see the light.And now at last
We plainly see
They’ll have a dance
Of Liberty
Liberty.The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day
And then by night.A child is black
A child is white
The whole world looks
Upon the sight
A beautiful sight.The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day
And then by night.A child is black
A child is white
Together they grow
To see the light
To see the light.The world is black
The world is white
It turns by day
And then by night.A child is black
A child is white
Together they grow
To see the light
To see the light
Come on
Get it
Get it
OOOhh ya
Ya
Keep it up now
Around the world
Little boys
Little girls
Yaaa.
Posted by 3dognight on Jun 16, 2005 at 10:02 AM Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why don’t we?We all know that people are the same where ever we go
There is good and bad in ev’ryone,
We learn to live, we learn to give
Each other what we need to survive together alive.Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord why don’t we?Ebony, ivory living in perfect harmony
Ebony, ivory, oohWe all know that people are the same where ever we go
There is good and bad in ev’ryone,
We learn to live, we learn to give
Each other what we need to survive together alive.Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord why don’t we?
Posted by paul on Jun 16, 2005 at 10:03 AM Race is a complete non-issue. It has no relevance in the US today.
Class, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.
Posted by whoCares on Jun 16, 2005 at 10:06 AM Salim- I may disagree with you 95% of the time but I’ve now reread this article 3 times and have gained a lot from it. Some of the statistics you have quoted have quite frankly shocked me.
“The tracking process begins in elementary school, where African-American males routinely are assumed to be academically deficient and then demonized for their angry reactions to those biased assumptions. Resentful of a system that blithely dismisses their potential, many black boys eventually become alienated from scholastic activity.”
I’m sorry but this is junk. It is a cheap excuse. The problem is infinitely more expansive than this stripped down explanation. Discrimination of course exists. But it not the only reason, not even one of the top five reasons, why young African-American males are, I am sure we all sorry to admit, failing academically.
Anyway, I journey over to these left-wing magazines every now and then and will occasionally find insightful articles like this. I almost never forward articles onto my friends. But this one made the list. Just wanted to say good job I suppose. This is not the kind of subject matter that finds it’s way onto most of the magazines or papers I read.
Sincerely, MOR
ps- But please don’t get me wrong - I still disagree with half of it!
Posted by MOR on Jun 16, 2005 at 11:11 AM Imagine there’re no races? Perhaps very far in the future, but as for right now…
America is very much steeped in race, and to ignore each other’s race is to deny not only a significant part of who you are dealing with, but also to deny that you may be reacting to it (consciously or subconsciously). We on the left need to drop this bull about race not mattering. It does matter, and statistics about inequalities between races emphasize its importance in our country. We need to confront race and deal with it. We need to admit that EVERYONE has some form of prejudice in them. We can’t fight something if we ignore it.
Posted by realistic on Jun 16, 2005 at 2:27 PM Thank you brother for an insightful, yet painful article. I linked it to my website moneyjungle.blogspot.com.
Peace,
kazembe
Posted by kazembe on Jun 16, 2005 at 2:44 PM Realistic:
I must admit, I am deeply ambivalent about the racial rhetoric used by the Left. As a progressive, I believe in social justice. I believe that we live in a racist society, that there are serious inequities in the way that black Americans are treated, and that the government should take positive steps to address the situation. I think that not only the civil rights movement, but even certain black militant groups like the Black Panthers were necessary in the fight against racism and political inequality.
However, it is also my feeling that the Left is condemning itself to irrelevance with a lot of its rhetoric of multiculturalism and racial victimology. Taken to an extreme, such talk flirts with being racist against white people. Even more measured doses of the stuff seem to simply beget endless, bitter arguments that go nowhere and accomplish nothing (like demands for reparations for slavery).
I find more promising the new language of race pioneered by Barack Obama, the freshman Senator from Illinois, and the one bright spot for the Democrats in the 2004 elections. Obama carried districts that had been racist for decades, in part because of his weak opponent, but also in part because he bypassed the traditional language of victimization used by many black Democrats. Instead, he talked about things that were important to both the black and the white working class, like equal opportunity and decent social services. The result was apparently a winning formula.
The problem, ultimately, with criticizing racial injustice without bypassing the language of race itself, is that we run the risk of inflaming racial tensions within the working class, thus rendering impossible the task of assembling a winning political coalition.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 17, 2005 at 12:43 AM You people are fools....
I don’t think we can wish away 400 years of racism by simply chanting verses from John Lennon or making accusations of “racial victimology.” The fact is overwhelming number of black men spend more time in jail than their white counterparts for the same crime. The fact is that white convicts are more likely than black non-convicts to get job offers(New York Times 6/16/05) The fact is that if you are black in America you are more likely not to have basic healthcare, decent housing or food security.
“Equal oppotunity” as Matthew K put it, is not just sharing out an equal number of slices; it means addressing years of racist oppression which means access to jobs, education and housing.
Posted by kazembe on Jun 17, 2005 at 2:00 AM Black men need to step up to the plate and learn to be partners with, not conqueors over, black women. Why is it that black women can take care of black children, parents, extended kin, neighbors, other family members, work, etc. all at the same time but black men (some, few, certainly not all), cannot?
Black men need to remember or learn to be partners with black women, this is key.
Posted by henrybemis on Jun 17, 2005 at 5:22 AM I couldn’t agree with kazembe more. The only solution to America’s problems lies in “addressing years of racist oppression which means access to jobs, education, and housing,” probably through some program of positive goverment action. But in order to reach the point that such a program would be in any way politically achievable, we need some means of persuading voters to accept it. Voters whose sympathy for the plight of working-class black communities these past 35 years has dimmed, to put it mildly.
I think the best way to do this is with an upbeat rhetoric of equal opportunity that stresses our similarities, rather than our differences, as Americans, and which attempts to move past the years of racial oppression in deed as well as word. That’s what I find problematic about the rhetoric of racial victimization, in fact—not that its concerns aren’t real and legitimate, but that it hampers any meaningful attempt to transcend this nation’s crimes against brown-skinned people. The Left needs a language, and a program, that appeals to everybody.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 17, 2005 at 7:08 AM “However, it is also my feeling that the Left is condemning itself to irrelevance with a lot of its rhetoric of multiculturalism and racial victimology. Taken to an extreme, such talk flirts with being racist against white people. Even more measured doses of the stuff seem to simply beget endless, bitter arguments that go nowhere and accomplish nothing (like demands for reparations for slavery).”
Matthew K. -
I think your example of “measured doses” of “multiculturalism and racial victimology” - reparations - is an “extreme.” Sorry, but I don’t think most Black Americans are strong proponents of it. In fact, most would be happy if they could simply be given true equal opportunities.
I agree that class is very much an important problem in our country as well, but it is also entangled with the problem with racial injustice. It is impossible to bypass race.
And no matter what “language” the Left may be able to create without bringing up race, the Right will vilify it. It’s been their tactic for years. A stream of misinformation and lies helps them to debase the hard truths that the (far?) Left is trying to show. Perhaps we should just steal their language and turn it against them..."moral majority,” bah!
Posted by realistic on Jun 17, 2005 at 8:11 AM The problem with the “black community” is that it embraces stupidity. Rap music that glorifies drugs and delights in calling women bitches and hos is simply unacceptable. The “black community” needs to embrace things that will make it stronger - even if some of these things are “white values”. This is not a job for the govenment - it is a job for the mothers, fathers, churches and other community outreaches.
The community i am in is strong and vibrant - decidely middle class. While AA may have helped some of us (not me!), by and large the real help came for our mothers and fathers. Embracing education and “getting ahead” by working hard - a pretty simple recipe available to virtually all (but perhaps not the poorest of the poor, of any race).
Posted by MLKjr on Jun 17, 2005 at 8:47 AM Well, happy Fathers Day to you too, Salim. As a 45 year old Black man living on the South Side of Chicago I can only say that this commentary is sobering to say the least. More like smelling salts or a slap in the face, to read confirmation of what I observe and deal with. I often think about how it seems our young men and the families they grow up in are so in need of some stability, some kind of a foundation, an anchor. Many of the kids on my block seem to be literally starving for attention, for recognition or affirmation of their worth, their self worth and a sense of place. Kids reach out when they’re young but when they reach their teens they seem to quit trying, especially the boys, and really seem to be somewhat ashamed of themselves. These kids are in a state of depression and really need to address some mental health issues as much as anything else, many of our kids have just given up on life and are dropping out. Us men on the block who are heads of our households (and there are more than statistics imply)consciously try to set examples and standards and interact with kids that always seem to be outdoors, never at home or involved in some constructive activity, but there is only so much you can do and still take care of your own family, maintain what you have and not expose yourself to getting ripped off. Two different cultures are co-existing in Black communities, one taking root and staking a claim for the long haul and the other becoming Americas’ Gypsies.
Posted by theloneous on Jun 17, 2005 at 9:04 AM “They’re playin’ basketbaaaaaaal”
“They’re playin’ basketbaaaaaaal”LOL. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 17, 2005 at 9:09 AM “Race is a complete non-issue. It has no relevance in the US today.
Class, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.”
Posted by whoCares on June 16, 2005 at 11:06 AM
Seems we’ve discussed this issue recently. Race is a HUGE issue. Blacks, whites, asians will never be totally comfortable with each other.
To varying degrees all humans suffer from a primative, genetic, vestigial survival instinct for tribalism. Over the millenia, those who stuck to the protection of the group survived, those who didn’t, perished. You know, evolution.
Tribalism manifests itself in virtually every aspect of modern human behavior. It is unavoidable. Typical examples: Are you a loyal American? Why? How about your state or region? Are you a loyal Southerner? Why? Do you distrust northerners? Why? Are you loyal to your political party? Why? Are you loyal to your religion, church, ethnicity, race, nation of origin? Why? Are you loyal to your hometown sports team? Why? Do you hate Yankee fans? Why? Are you loyal to your school? Why? Are you more loyal to any of these things than you are to your own family?
There really are no rational reasons for any of these, sometimes fanatic, loyalties.
Thus, fear, distrust and even hatred for those different from us is UNAVOIDABLE. Now matter how enlightened you think you are, and may actually be intellectually, your instincts are not enlightened, they are genetic. You can’t change them any more than you can change the color of your skin. (Unless you’re M.J.).
The best we can hope for is to recognize the existence of this tribalistic instinct, AND to recognize when your behavior is being influenced by it, and try to adjust your behavior and outlook accordingly.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 17, 2005 at 9:27 AM No one on this thread seems to have a fundamental understanding of the concept of “equality.” While I agree that biologically there’s no such thing as race, race is a definite social construction. Since the joint revolt of black and white indentured servants in Virginia in the 17th century, race has meant that one section of the working class (white people) are brought off through a variety of priveleges, while black people are forced to suffer unemployment, etc, etc. Even with civil rights laws, affirmative action, etc, African American are still oppressed. You can’t expect me to run a race if you cut my leg off. Even if you gave me a 5 minute headstart.
Their can be no justice, or equality, without reognizing the pain of the past and how they affect the present. Currently there are close to 1 million black men in jail. This isn’t because they are all bad; if we dig deep we see whole generations of people in poor schools and no way to a viable future. Why? because America has deemed it fit to get rid of its black population. I think that Brother Salim point is correct, this is a genocide.
So we can post all day and recite chants of John Lennon, but the problem isn’t going to go away. And to those white people who think that this doesn’t affect you, I remind you that if they come for me in the morning they’ll be coming for you at night....
Posted by kazembe on Jun 17, 2005 at 9:47 AM BTW, My understanding is that the U.S. has the highest percentage of its population in prison of any nation in the world - approximately 2,000,000 men in prison. That’s almost 2% of the male population in jail.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 17, 2005 at 9:52 AM kazembe
One of the casualties of racism is mental health. I identified depression as one of the many affects racism is having on many Black Americans, white Americans are afflicted with denial of the reality that racism is killing Black people and that white people are the beneficiaries of the most inhumane, unhuman social construct ever imagined called the USA, and none, whether they are conservative, liberal, progressive or otherwise, would give up an iota of their privleged white staus to achieve true “equality” without a fight to the death. Watch the denial of this reality coming up.
Posted by theloneous on Jun 17, 2005 at 10:18 AM silly said: “inhumane, unhuman social construct ever imagined called the USA”
Um, how about facist Germany? Stalinist Russia? Hussiens Iraq? Or even just pre-industrial anything?
I will grant the US is not perfect - just better than the rest. . . (which is why i live here!)
Posted by howSilly on Jun 17, 2005 at 10:31 AM The fact that the U.S. is “better than the rest” is a pretty paltry excuse for not living up to our own ideals of freedom, justice, and opportunity for all. (Besides, I tend to think Scandanavia’s way of doing things is a little better.) I don’t think our problems are going to cure themselves, and I don’t think poverty is all the fault of the poor.
I never meant to imply that race is not an important issue, or that black Americans haven’t been subject to one injustice after another over the course of this nation’s often insane history. I would never imply that race is not an important issue (though as it happens, I do think class takes the center ring). The point is, do we want to make the discussion about the injustices historically, and currently, inflicted on black men and women, or should it be about how to get past those injustices? How to cure them?
The distinction may seem like splitting hairs, but how you pitch your argument is important. By the mid-1970s, if not before, the sympathy for social programs to assist poor and black Americans was burnt out, in part because of an overkill of critical rhetoric. Which is a shame, since most Americans benefit from social programs, if only they could get past seeing them as a ‘handout’ to minorities. So there is grounds for thinking a broad appeal will work, it’s all in how you sell it. And yes, the Right will vilify whatever language you use; the point is, they may not always be equally successful.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 17, 2005 at 11:01 AM Hey listen up! I think i have established that the justice system is color blind. Black (me!) or white (my pal Blake), you can kill you wife and get away with it - if you are rich! Ha ha suckers!
Hell, even if you are a black whacko who dyes your skin white, you can bugger little boys - if you are rich! Nothing to do with race, class is indeed in the centre ring.
Posted by OJ on Jun 17, 2005 at 11:27 AM You really want a solution to the disparity between outcomes with respect to blacks and whites? Take away children from ALL families that abuse or neglect them and allow them to be adopted by caring and competent families. Sure, this will mean that maybe 50% of black households lose their children (and maybe 10% of white households), but will help ensure that these children will be brought up by good families. The black/white differences will disappear in a generation. The problem is NOT with society, it is with very flawed individuals who are unable or unwilling to do a good job of raising children.
It will also hopefully lead to a death of a very harmful subculture that is too often attibuted to the black community.
Funny thing is that this will never happen. Some very misguided blacks even believe that it is better to allow black orphens to be raised by foster parents while hoping for a black family, rather than allowing whites to raise them. How sad.
Posted by youWannaSolution? on Jun 17, 2005 at 11:39 AM kazembe-
I agree wholeheartedly that poor whites benefit dramatically from their race, which is why we need to acknowledge our prejudices and even our simple reactions to another’s race.
As for historical racism, some of “history” is still living today and I agree that we need to talk about these things. I know white people today who don’t want people of color in their neighborhoods because they are afraid, well of them basically. It’s sad. It’s angering.
I remember a classmate once arguing that in capitalist America, anyone could “pull themselves up by their bootstraps.” Yet, when pressed on this issue only pointed to once poor - now wealthy white men. Granted, there are those people of color who have become wealthy, but this is an exception. And exceptions are not the rule. Exceptions only give people a way to ignore the truth. We are perpetuating racial inequality in this country, and it’s because individuals are not acknowledging their own racist beliefs. And no matter how small your racism is, it will affect others until you work against it.
People seem to think that if they aren’t out hanging black people that they aren’t racist. In our country, it’s nearly impossible to not have any racism in you. It’s just a matter of whether you know you do and fight it. But how do we convince others of this?
Posted by realistic on Jun 17, 2005 at 11:49 AM The problem is that the blacks have been
brainwashed into accepting the holocaust
mythology propounded by what I’d charitably
call the professional Zionists since WW2.
The real holocausts in the Communist countries
have been either ignored or defended by the left.
So the Jewish six million myth became in black
terms the 100 million myth.
Let’s bury the myths as Marx would say and
start with a fresh page.That’s the only hope.
Posted by Billy Calumet on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:07 PM When I as youth did cry,
From brothers beatings,
Looking at life with blackned eyes,
Why?
My dream that we would awake,
One, color, one race would we be,
Now his only son,
The Doctor married a girl,
From hemisphere south and east,
A Phillipino,
Hopefully do they grace us,
Children of the world race.
Posted by Alvin on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:10 PM that comment is beneath contempt. where’s the moderates on this site?
Posted by kazembe on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:14 PM Excellent article. A reality that’s sad yet very true. I find it amazing how there are white people who still don’t see the connection between what their ancestors have done to my ancestors and what is going on today in the black community. It’s quite understandable considering most are not raised to be accountable-and I’m from the Midwest so I know you people VERY WELL. That BS about “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps” is just that—BS. You have to do that but it’s not as straightforward as it’s made to sound. And it’s funny how we’re told to just play the game like everyone else and we’ll be just fine. Funny that it seems like every time we do so, we catch hell for it. I mean, how many black business districts have been destroyed? How many black elected officials under the scope of the FBI? How many acres of land owned by blacks have been taken by whites ILLEGALLY? And yet there’s been no redress. And with all that’s happened, our so-called “selected” leaders tell us that the government has to fix our situation—more BS. I do not believe in going to my open enemy to fix a problem he started. Now with those facts, it is not an excuse to sit around and do nothing-you have to uplift yourself. So even though I have many friends/relatives that I grew with that were in gangs, hustled in every manner, had children out of wedlock, and/or went to prison - I don’t have a criminal record, any children, an STD, and I’m not a homosexual (or on the down low). I put myself through college and have a career that puts me what would be considered upper middle class. I’m not patting myself on the back but what I am saying is that even though I’ve made it through a very NEGATIVE situation, I’m not going to let my current situation allow me to forget what I went through (like so many other black men) growing up. The solution? Realize that the institution of the United States is not the friend nor ally of the black man and it never will be-it represents our natural enemy in every form. In order for us to survive for the long term and rise, we have to outsmart our enemy and upon close inspection *especially after reading some of these posts* they’re not that smart. It shouldn’t be hard to do once you put your mind to it.
Peace be with you.
Posted by Jabari on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:18 PM To Matthew:
Playing on the corners of race won’t do us any good as won’t playing the Democratic race card like Jesse jackson and Al Sharpton. What we need is a honest discussion and action on race in America.
Many believe that the majority of white people in this country are so narrow that won’t be able to accept the fact of white supremacy in this country. History proves otherwise. In the 1960s, a significant number of white black sided with black liberation or at least were won to a friendly neutrality. This was because black people presented their humanity as a fact, not with the apologetics of Obama. As such, a radical vision was able to take hold in this country.
The sad thing is a good number of white people take black leadership in this country from Michael Jordan to Snoop Doggy to Malcolm X and Martin Luther King in the 1960s. It’s only the left who thinks of people as narrow that we can’t develop a fresh vision.
Posted by kazembe on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:27 PM There is a vested black political class that
simply refuses to give up their holocaust
mythology and continues to emulate certain
professional “jews” in pushing historical lies
to try to guilt trip whites in order to hang on
to power just a bit longer..........
Well, people are wising up and that racket is
doomed.
Posted by Billy Calumet on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:34 PM Kazembe:
I don’t necessarily agree that Obama’s vision for our country amounts to “apologetics,” but I can definitely see why black people would bear a great deal of righteous anger toward our society. What would your vision for society, and the future of race relations, be? How would you change things?
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:35 PM kazembe said:
“No one on this thread seems to have a fundamental understanding of the concept of “equality.” . . . . Even with civil rights laws, affirmative action, etc, African American are still oppressed. . . . Their can be no justice, or equality, without reognizing the pain of the past and how they affect the present. Currently there are close to 1 million black men in jail. . . .”
kazembe,
I think your observations confirm my point. Whites will NEVER volunteer equality or “a level playing field” to blacks in America, or anywhere else. The tribalistic instincts of the white race is far to compelling. Whites genetically fear and distrust blacks, and vise versa. (Please read my prior post on tribalism). Humans are genetically programmed to be racists. It’s unavoidable. A person cannot choose not to be racist by choice. He/She can only choose not to behave in a racist way.
Race is not just a social issue. There are genetic differences between the races. And the tribalistic fear and distrust between the races will certainly persist, at least, until the races have merged to the point that humans cannot observe racial differences between themselves.
Therefore, IMHO, blacks should not waste their time seeking equality. There’s no point to it. They should seek superiority. The civil rights acts, and the anti-slavery amendments are the foundation for blacks to achieve economic success in America. However, as unconstitutional and immoral as segregation laws are, as a practical matter, history has shown that when blacks are segregated, they are economically better off.
So perhaps blacks should seek to segregate themselves for their own prosperity.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 18, 2005 at 12:42 AM Billy Calumet is a classic example of tribalistic racism. He overtly hates and distrusts Jews. What’s so laughable about it is that THE NEO-CONS THAT RUN THIS COUNTRY AND THE GOP (his political party) ARE MOSTLY JEWS. It’s ironic because liberalism and socialism are 6,000 year old Jewish traditions. Nevertheless, the neo-fascist movement in this country is headed, for the most part, by Jews.
You would think that, if anyone should know better, it would be a Jew. But, being smart and talented doesn’t necessarily make you wise.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 18, 2005 at 12:48 AM Jabari said:
“. . . . Realize that the institution of the United States is not the friend nor ally of the black man and it never will be-it represents our natural enemy in every form. In order for us to survive for the long term and rise, we have to outsmart our enemy and upon close inspection *especially after reading some of these posts* they’re not that smart. It shouldn’t be hard to do once you put your mind to it. . . .”
Close, very close. But, you’ve misidentified your enemy. It’s not the U.S., it’s white tribalism. And the solution (JMHO) is for blacks to recognize that fact and stick together for their own benefit. Why do you think Jews seem to prosper economically in virtually every society they are part of? They stick together, and they are fiercely loyal to each other. Blacks have not stuck together or been loyal to each other. They kill each other.
Look, I don’t pretend to have a universal cure for the devastating effects of tribalistic racism. But, it seems to me that tribalistic loyalty among blacks is a good place to start.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 18, 2005 at 1:04 AM Resolved: 1) that Lefty is seriously disturbed, and 2) that I shall forthwith ignore him / her.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 18, 2005 at 9:47 AM Lefty--take another look at what I said..I said that the U.S. “represents” our enemy. So in essence we are saying the same thing. It is white tribalism--they are doing what they must to survive-that’s all this is. The way they do is through the INSTITUTION of the United States. By no means am I speaking of the average U.S. citizen-that’s ignorant-but I will give you an example. J. Edgar Hoover was opposed to all black organizations that tried to lift black people in the manner they saw fit. These groups were seen as a threat. So he, through his position as head of a U.S. Government agency, instituted the COINTELPRO program to dismantle these organizations using illegal means. Who knows how many blacks were killed as a result of that program-yet no one was brought to justice in the FBI. Second example-when it came out that it was Klan members behind the Atlanta child murders (they even access to police uniforms), there was a cover up by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Everything was shut down in 1986 *when the info came out*. So my point is White men practicing *white tribalism* by imposing their position not by their own means but through the institution of the United States government is what’s playing a major role in the destruction of black men’s lives. I agree yet disagree with the need to practice “tribalism”. The reason is that to a certain extent, that is at the root of our disunity. Tribalism is at the root of a lot of the problems in Africa. We need unity no doubt but it needs to be bigger than tribalism. I do understand what you’re getting at however.
Peace
Posted by Jabari on Jun 18, 2005 at 10:37 AM Tell black men to stop doing stupid stuff that gets them locked up. They’ve got the whole world in their hands and still don’t know what to do with it. Quit blaming other people, step up to the plate and be a man. Where there is no opportunity- make an opportunity. Teach the children--does it make sense to sit on a porch drinking and smoking when the streets you live on are filthy with litter. Pick up the trash if nothing else. As far as black women are concerned--we got the whole world in our hands too, and believe me none of us are crying about a lack of black men. We love ‘em all- blind, cripple, crazy, locked up- dead or doing just fine. We’ll always be there for them. But remember it’s all about love, and if we can’t be with the one we love (the black man), we’re gonna love the one we’re with (yellow, brown, red or even white).
Posted by abbie on Jun 18, 2005 at 11:39 AM You both are right:
One says: “It’s not the U.S., it’s white tribalism. And the solution (JMHO) is for blacks to recognize that fact and stick together for their own benefit. Why do you think Jews seem to prosper economically in virtually every society they are part of? They stick together, and they are fiercely loyal to each other. Blacks have not stuck together or been loyal to each other. They kill each other.”
The other says: “It is white tribalism--they are doing what they must to survive-that’s all this is. The way they do is through the INSTITUTION of the United States. By no means am I speaking of the average U.S. citizen-that’s ignorant-but I will give you an example. J. Edgar Hoover was opposed to all black organizations that tried to lift black people in the manner they saw fit. These groups were seen as a threat.”
Some of us specialize too much in our history readings: from the 1600’s, powerful white people have informally, and formally through government institutions, continually destroy black organizations created to the betterment of black people. Jus take a trip to the library and view almost any PBS video to do with colonial life for blacks (free and otherwise) Jim Crow, and up through the 60’s.
Posted by RightOn on Jun 18, 2005 at 1:02 PM I’ve got to admit that that’s a hell of a gap in the Black male/female ratio. I’m 31 and I didn’t realize it until a couple of years ago. Because man it seems like from early childhood all the way up until the end of high school, it was more boys than it was girls.
Posted by Joe on Jun 18, 2005 at 2:12 PM Matthew said:
“Resolved: 1) that Lefty is seriously disturbed, and 2) that I shall forthwith ignore him / her.” Posted by Matthew K. on June 18, 2005 at 10:47 AM
But Jack(ass) Barnes, aka Billy Calumet, is ok in your book, right Matt! You’re a good Christian, Matt.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 18, 2005 at 2:54 PM The Afro-American male is being systematically eliminated in American society.African labor is no longer wanted now that we can complain and sue in courts,etc. This is one reason why more humble immigrants are in greater demand than ever.American business wants the most docile workforce possible and today that does not include us. Of course this elimination or severe lessening of Afro-Americans will be gradual,however the trend is undeniable.We should take this issue as one of life and death.
Posted by wallace nixon on Jun 19, 2005 at 4:41 PM “Seems we’ve discussed this issue recently. Race is a HUGE issue. Blacks, whites, asians will never be totally comfortable with each other.”
Lefty - here we go again! (From you.)
As I’ve found elsewhere on these blogs, you seem to have a particularly worrying obsession with race, for a lefty.
As a fellow socialist (you ARE a socialist, I am assuming, otherwise I don’t see why you don’t call yourself Libby!) I am telling you now, that you CANNOT get hung up on race and be an effective socialist. (Or a consistent one.)
It doesn’t matter what you believe on religion - I know it doesn’t, and it’s a side issue here, but I have tested very thoroughly that religion isn’t necessarily a “marker” for people’s political beliefs!
But issues such as race, feminism and homosexuality - well if you’re on the wrong side of the divide for THOSE, you CANNOT be a properly functioning modern socialist.
You can argue all you like and what you like on “tribalism” and what causes it. All sorts of things. Someone supported my musings on the “language=identity” theory on another forum.
But - “Blacks, whites, asians will never be totally comfortable with one another?”
Why NOT??
In a world where struggle over resources and tribalism is - no longer relevant.
(Or in a preceding world where they’re uniting to make this possible!! Nothing better than finding a common enemy!)
Posted by Liz on Jun 19, 2005 at 8:31 PM Liz, I’ve got to say, you’re worth a million bucks for trying.
There are, sad to say, some people on the world with just plain kooky ideas, who you’re never going to be able to reason with. I would posit that anyone who floods an online political forum with ravings about Jews is not someone you will have a fruitful conversation with. I suggest you simply ignore comments by Lefty, and his/her righty counterpart Jack Barnes. And basically anyone else whose capacity for rational thought seems to have been swallowed up in a haze of LSD.
As it happens, I agree with you on race. Racial tensions within the working class were inflamed and exploited by corporate elites to keep the workers politically and economically divided. This is, in fact, whence racial categories and distinctions arose. (Technically, of course, the concept of race originated under slavery, not industrial capitalism, but it served the same basic function in each.)
What we need, as Kazembe and others have argued here, is an honest national dialogue on the issue. For me, this would include acknowledging the role played by historic discrimination in creating our current system of segregated housing, social services, and labor markets, and confronting the discrimination that still exists in our society. But it should also aim at overcoming racial tensions with a broad appeal to all working- and middle-class people.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 20, 2005 at 5:27 AM Blacktown.net has been dealing with this issue since the mid 1990s. It all started when the gay/Feminist Movement destroyed the growing Black Power Movement of the 1960s.
The Governement and also corporate America totally supported the Women’s Movement simply because women are bigger spenders and consumers than men.
I just got my car fixed for $20 by an alley mechanic, and corporate America does not want that!!!!!!! Instead, they want women spending their money instead of building up the black community!!!!
Yes, it is time for black men to stop being so easily tricked. However, the evil of Feminism is power Witchcraft!!!!!!! The same Witchcraft that destroyed Adam and then Samson of the bible!!!!!!
And the best proof of this is how black men are afriad of declaring the damage that Feminism has done to him!!!!! Thus, BLACKMEN ARE JUST LIKE THE SCARECROW IN THE WIZARD OF OZ WHO WAS TERRIFIED OF THE WICKED FEMINIST WITCH OF THE WEST!!!!!!GO TO BLACKTOWN.NET TO LEARN MORE…
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Posted by blacktown on Jun 20, 2005 at 8:54 AM BLACKTOWN.NET is as nutty as what the deluded Muslims think about women! (Tame us, dominate us? In your dreams!)
Thanks, but no burka for me.
Posted by blackWoman on Jun 20, 2005 at 9:43 AM Oh boo hoo. So your great-granddaddy was a slave - so what? Mine was a victim of the potato famine. Where are my reparations (the Irish were quite discriminated against in the early 20th century)?
Why not just take everything from the (horrible) rich and give it to the (noble) poor?
What a non-issue!
Posted by weAreAllVictims on Jun 20, 2005 at 9:46 AM The Irish and other immigrant groups (including my own grandparents) had advantages that blacks and hispanics did not. Not to sound dismissive of the suffering that many of these people endured, but they did have access to industrial and municipal government jobs at wages high enough to support a family, and occasionally buy entry into the middle class. The Irish, for example, got police work through political machines like Tammany Hall. Discrimination by local goverments and labor unions kept blacks out of these positions until the 1960s.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 20, 2005 at 10:11 AM Blacktown.net? Sheesh, all the wackos come out of the woodwork for online political forums.
Posted by Matthew K. on Jun 20, 2005 at 10:13 AM The Irish faced discrimination as bad
as blacks or anyone else.
There were posted No Irish Need Apply
signs in workplaces and it was 50 years
before they built Tammany to get some
power for themselves.
Leftwing extremists like Liz and Matthew
K are what is keeping racism alive today.
The Democratic Party rank and file
has repudiated the racism of all races
and the ideologues that promote it.
The ultra-leftism of the writers above
has no electoral chance and in fact
people like Liz, Lefty, Matthew K are
objectively working for the Far Right.
Posted by Blue Dog Democrat on Jun 20, 2005 at 12:24 PM Great, now we’re playing “who was more oppressed.” Correct, people of all races, ethnicities, religions, etc. have been persecuted, discriminated against, or unwanted at some point. The degrees… we can argue about them for a long time, it’s a moot point. It doesn’t change the fact that people of color have a harder time being accepted and allowed to advance in American society. Whites ethnics were able to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” because they could eventually blend into “white” America. People of color can’t do this, thus continue to face a great deal of oppression and discrimination to this day.
Posted by realistic on Jun 20, 2005 at 3:01 PM See John McWhorter’s books, it’s their
own bad attitudes that are keeping them
back, not white racism.
And what about all the Asian boat people
and Palestinians who have come here and
made something of themselves while too
many blacks moan and whine and complain
and commit crimes ?
The only “people of color” group that has
perennial problems are the blacks.
Posted by Jack Barnes on Jun 20, 2005 at 3:39 PM Why, THANK you, Matthew K.!! (Have you checked out my posts on other recent forums, then? I’ve certainly tried hard there!)
I think Lefty IS a real lefty (and he/she certainly has a sense of humor!) but - well, the WAY politics has got MIXED up now - it’s no longer simple as it was in the Sixties, Seventies, even Eighties…
There are people on BOTH sides of the (political) spectrum, who hold to to funny ideas!
I agree that race is an important issue to WORK out… And work out what came from where (like for example, I have been considering Ireland’s historical plight with some puzzlement for many years… I can’t really decide WHAT made the British so HORRIBLE to the Irish, from the word go… WAS it race, economics, or religion? In THIS case, I believe the religious differences came first… And of course if the country’s your neighbour and you’re richer than it, then that just gives you - the Anglo elite - every damn opportunity to take out its hate, doesn’t it?)
I want there to be “an honest national dialogue” on the race issue in the US.
But I don’t think it’s any help saying, as Lefty did, that blacks, Asians and whites will “never feel comfortable” with one another, because of some damn shady theory about how tribalism = racism = genetically hard-wired phenomenon.
NOT helpful! Eh?
Never been to blacktown.net. Is it similar to Munchkinland??
blacktown is quite right to say that Feminism and Witchcraft are linked; I would be the FIRST to admit that one!
However, neither are evil - and neither hurts Blacks!!
Posted by Liz on Jun 20, 2005 at 4:23 PM John McWhorter, Manhattan Institute stooge - bet he’d come top of the Malcolm X “House n*gg*r” awards!!
Posted by Liz on Jun 20, 2005 at 4:27 PM Your a white racist, Liz. So typical of the white trash left and their inability to deal with any
blacks that leave the plantation. McWhorter’s a
profound scholar and black who came up the hard
way and actually made something of himself, a
concept that would be over your head.
Posted by John Nady on Jun 20, 2005 at 4:42 PM Yes, “John Nady"… AKA “Jack Barnes”, AKA Michael Hardesty....
We ITTers really ARE tired of your trolling under multiple pseudonyms, John/Jack/Michael… And we are all going to become more and more determined to expose it!
Yes: to “make something of oneself” in white partriarchal society - USUALLY by denying whom one is, by selling out, by sucking up… usual moves made by anybody who “wants to get on” under “free independent capitalism”! Ha ha ha ha ha!
BTW: I have just been to visit that blacktown.net site - it’s got very good graphics - but WHAT a bunch of confused souls!!
In fact, I think one trouble with the Internet is that it spreads as much confusion as education and enlightenment.
Split-personality trolls are of course a big part of this problem…
Posted by Liz on Jun 20, 2005 at 5:57 PM Liz Said:
“Lefty - here we go again! (From you.)
“As I’ve found elsewhere on these blogs, you seem to have a particularly worrying obsession with race, for a lefty.
“As a fellow socialist (you ARE a socialist, I am assuming, otherwise I don’t see why you don’t call yourself Libby!) I am telling you now, that you CANNOT get hung up on race and be an effective socialist. (Or a consistent one.)”
* * *
“But - ‘Blacks, whites, asians will never be totally comfortable with one another?’
“Why NOT?? “
* * *
“In a world where struggle over resources [sic]and tribalism is - no longer relevant.”
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First, Liz, I don’t think any fair reading of what I’ve tried to say about race or tribalism can reasonably be called an obsession with race. I have my opinions, that I’ve raised when the topic of race comes up, based on my observations, education and intellect. I’ve said that humans are inherently racist; that racism is a manifestation of tribalism; that tribalism is a genetic trait which has evolved over 200,000 years (or more). Blacks, whites and Asians will never be totally comfortable with each other because we are genetically evolved to fear and be suspicious of those different from us. And that no matter how enlightened a person thinks they are in terms of education and intelligence, that person is genetically predisposed to be a tribalistic racist, and there is nothing he/she can do to change that. The only thing that can be changed is our behavior. And the only way to change one’s behavior, is to first acknowledge tribalistic instincts and recognize their manifestations in our lives, including racism.
I utterly dispute the notion that racism is only a social phenomenon any more that homosexuality is merely a social phenomenon.
Look, we are also genetically predisposed to being selfish (you know, the Ayn Rand moral ideal). To some degree, selfishness is necessary for survival. You can’t give away all of your food, you have to eat some of it. But, there are limits beyond which selfishness is can be as evil as racism. Uncontrolled, selfishness can lead to greed, theft and murder. Perhaps chrity is also a competing instinctive quality (stronger in liberals than conservatives), but like racism, the instinct for selfishness has to be recognized for what it is before it can be effectively dealt with.
Second, assuming arguendo, that the foregoing is true (just assuming), I don’t think you can be an effective socialist unless you are very conscious of race, and have a plan to deal with the inherent, genetic, tribalistic fears, hatred, suspicions and compulsions within ourselves.
Finally, the struggle over scarce resources is, and will continue to be, a tribalistic struggle. the manifestations of tribalism are not limited to racism. Tribalism manifests itself in human behavior in innumerable ways. Lord Cromwell didn’t march into Ireland and murder 500,000 Catholics because they were bad. They were another tribe - “the enemy camp,” competing with his tribe.
Posted by Lefty on Jun 20, 2005 at 7:47 PM We have become so consumed in keeping up with the times that we have allowed our culture to damn near deteriorate. I am not speaking of our way of unwinding (music, parties, bbq’s), I am speaking of how we prepare the next generation. What can be said about a place that takes away from an already failing educational program?(referring to Bush’s decision to cut Reading is Fundamental and other literacy programs where the primary users are minorities-mid. class people, US!!!) Nothing, we allow it. Things can be done, but not with one, or with a specific group/class, but with the majority of us. We have to learn/inforce a sense of community, know you heard term ‘there is strength in numbers. Martial law could be next if we are not careful. We better pick it up, quick!!!!
Posted by BIG D on Jun 21, 2005 at 3:22 PM “In fact, the more successful a black woman becomes, the more likely she will end up alone, Walter Farrell, a University of North Carolina professor, said in a March 2002 Washington Monthly article. As a result, professional black women are having fewer children, meaning that a growing percentage of black children are being born into less educated, less affluent families.” This occurrence is not unique to any ethnic group. The same happens in Australia’s situation across all socio-economic groups.
“The recent edition of the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education warns that “a large and growing gender gap in African-American higher education has become a troublesome trend casting a shadow on overall black education progress.” The Journal reports that in 2001, there were 1,095,000 black women enrolled in institutions of higher education and only 604,000 black men. The gap, which is even wider at professional schools, has increased since 2001”. So too are the numbers of Australian men enrolled in Universities dropping drastically each year.
Posted by Sean Paul on Jul 3, 2005 at 2:20 PM A Tulane Graduate has done an in depth study of
slavery; and the origin of our basic thought
processes and reactions as a social commentary toward a deeper understanding of political evolution
and social understanding in the form of a alternate universe horror fiction story.
I found the general perceptions to be quite enlightening for a greater understanding of racism
and the generic clash of ego.
Such social commentaries based on alternate realities can be pearls of insight
into previously unexplored areas into the reaction of ecology and economic structure. It should be read by all intelligent African Americans who
wish to gain insight into the deep south and the origins of America; as well as it being thought provoking for anyone as a story.Go here:
http://www.geocities.com/lordoflordsindixie/index.html
Posted by Walter Evans on Jul 5, 2005 at 6:19 PM You may think that black men are not owed anything but the truth is that they are. The same things white and other races are owed. The chance to be educated and employed under the same advantageous conditions offered the majority race. Yes, it is true that many of our black men are involved in crime, drugs, violence, and child neglect. However, there is the ever-thrusting force of the laws written to separate the black male from home and family. These laws enable the law enforcement agencies to harass them and to provoke them into wrong doing. Once they are a part of the system, they are continually picked up and locked up. Then upon release form jail and prison, they are locked out of society almost completely and locked into the way of life by which they entered the system in the first place. With all the doors of opportunity closed to them they become victims of an unforgiving society and prime targets for making money for the corrections departments all over America. Admit it; governments of every level make money and so do corporate America. Ask yourself why our government can go all over the world and offer military assistance and humanitarian programs and economy resolves for problem countries but can not stop drug and gang violence here? And who pays? You, John Q. Public, that’s who. Each time one goes into prison (for the dumb stuff you say they need to quit doing) the correction department gets thousands of dollars that come from you. You are quick to say that it’s the black mans’ fault. No necessarily true. How so? At the out set I mentioned that most black men think that all that ever happens to him is that he is picked up, locked up, locked out, and then locked in. From early childhood, the black males all across the nation, suffer the unwarranted action of the police. It’s easier to intimidate a black youth because he usually has no stable home environment nor a well to do family. So if police want to harass and intimidate, provoke and abuse him, who will come to his rescue? he knows that there is no way he can bring the law into question nor can he in most cases win a case on the basis of accusing a law o official of being a crooked cop. I myself have heard officers and court officials say, ‘Who is the Judge going to Believe? So down go the fist of self-defense and ultimately the confidence that he can make it in the world as a productive citizen. So he develops the common syndrome of authoritative resentment. Now he rebels and it usually gets him convicted of a crime against the State. He is sentenced and possibly learns his lesson but upon return he is quickly shown that he is not done with his sentence until the law officials and society at large says so. So now he is lock out of society to a greater degree and that could be for y ears to come. Meanwhile, his children and what is left of his marriage, if applicable, suffers grave damage. Well how is he locked in? Think about it this way. If you lost a job and needed to be trained for another position but your education level required more school and you could not afford the classes needed, would it not be difficult to make a living for yourself? Now add the worse scenario, you have a criminal background. Let’s make it even more difficult, you’re black. Tell me, John Q. Public, where is your opportunity? Well for the black male who is caught up in the system, cutting of programs created to assist the black male advance in the trades, as well as increased and unattainable requirements for additional education higher cost to access higher education, coupled with lack of work skills, makes it almost impossible to survive in this world. So for many, it’s what they consider ‘doing what they have to do’ in order to stay alive.
So the next time you think that there is no cause for the black male to act in the ways that land them into prison, think again!
Posted by Sourdough on Jul 8, 2005 at 5:11 PM I’m calling for restitution for Middle Aged White Men.
Colin Powell has nothing on us.
The majority of white people are the result of 5000 years of oppresion(ever here of the Inquisition, dark ages, Julius Ceaser in Gaul(Britain when it was celtic, tribal, and still somewhat matriarchal.
Now, most of us are descendents of the domesticated.
Sure! We get the stuff, but we lost the ability to dance and Make Love well.
Instead we get Prozac and Viagra.Reperations for White Men? Yes, we need the most repairing, aswell as all life on earth.
THOSE Who call themselves Royal, and their henchmen (especially the central bankers) have always repressed one race, sex, or religion, a little less........Thus, divide and conquer.
Look around the world, every race will appear
as a worthless, lazy, self-destructive, criminals after generations of oppression.
Such was the lot of the Irish, Shiites who live in Sunni controlled Baghdad, but not those in the Shiite dominated South; and who among you has not met a black man from South America who with one word of his gentle and “educated” speech was not put at ease(and maybe even embraced the opportunity to experience a non-racist response.
For 20,000 years people lived highly artistic,
educated, and peaceful lives in societies modeled after the Giving Nature of Mothers.(start with “The Chalice and the Blade-by Eisler)They were destroyed, including the culture which extended from below Ethiopia, to the base of the Himalayas, by the Kurgans.
These people, driven south by a mini-ice age 9000 yrs. ago, Learned to hunt large animals by scaring them from different directions, causing something called cognitive dissonance (or scared s***less).
As it turns out, most animals are highly democratic. They only follow the Alpha Male during cognative dissonance, and sometimes on the Hunt.
If you think about it, sexual preference should be enough for the alpha’s.
Yes, governments are the main source of terror
to their own people, and have been for at least 5000 years. (Nero/Rome, Hitler /Reichstag, The Maine, and 911.
The black community is terrorized, as whites are made terrified by Blacks, who have only the worst of their culture force fed by media crooks.
This distorted American Black culture is purposely intimidating to others and continues seperation.
The ones who hold all the land deeds are the
“enemy”, and are far sicker than any of us could imagine.
We need to come together and laugh at their papers, which say they own all the business, land,
future labor, and resources of the majority, even the water which falls on your roof.
Unite and be unconquered, then we will discover real freedom, in sustainable, diverse, yet interconnected communities. A culture available to suit you needs, and the benefit of our labor, instead of people who print money for free, harvesting it all from their domesticated humans.
I CHOOSE TO BE A WOLF, NOT A SHEEP DOG IN THE masters house.
Free Land and people
Worldwide Debt Jubilee & Permanent Rent and Mortgage Strike. This New Years 1-1-06 and turn 9-11 on it’s head.
Posted by WHITE SLAVE on Jul 9, 2005 at 1:52 AM I’m calling for REPERATIONS for Middle Aged White Men.
Colin Powell has nothing on us.
The majority of white people are the result of 5000 years of oppresion(ever here of the Inquisition, dark ages, Julius Ceaser in Gaul(Britain when it was celtic, tribal, and still somewhat matriarchal.
Now, most of us are descendents of the domesticated.
Sure! We get the money, but we lost the ability to dance and Make Love.
Instead we get Prozac and Viagra.Repairations for White Men? Yes, we need the most repairing, for the sake of all life on earth.
THOSE Who call themselves Royal, and their henchmen (especially the central bankers) have always repressed one race, sex, or religion a little less less than the others........Thus, divide and conquer.
Look around the world, every race will appear
as a worthless, lazy, self-destructive, criminals after generations of oppression.
Such was the lot of the Irish, Shiites who live in Sunni controlled Baghdad, (but not those in the Shiite dominated South); and who among you has not met a black man from South America or Africa who, with one word of his gentle and “educated” speech, was not put at ease(and maybe even grabbed the opportunity to show you’re not racist.
For 20,000 years, people lived highly artistic,
educated, and peaceful lives in societies modeled after the Giving Nature of Mothers.(read: “The Chalice and the Blade-by Eisler)They were destroyed, including the Dravidian culture which extended from below Ethiopia, to the base of the Himalayas, by the Kurgans.
These people, driven south by a mini-ice age 9000 yrs. ago, Learned to hunt large animals, by scaring them from different directions, causing something called cognitive dissonance (or scared s***less).
As it turns out, most animals are highly democratic. They only follow the Alpha Male during cognative dissonance, and sometimes on the Hunt.
If you think about it, sexual preference should be enough for the alpha’s.
Yes, governments are the main source of terror
to their own people, and have been for at least 5000 years. (Nero/Rome, Hitler /Reichstag, The Maine, and 911. It’s all a protection raquet.
The black community is terrorized. Then whites are made terrified of Blacks. Only the worst of Black culture is force fed into the youth by media moguls.
This distorted American Black culture is purposely intimidating to others, propogating FEAR. (another name for racism)
The ones who hold all the land deeds are the
“enemy”, and are far sicker than any of us could imagine.
We need to come together and laugh at their papers, which say they own all the business, land,
future labor, and resources of the majority, even the water which falls on your roof.
Unite and be unconquered, then we will discover real freedom, in sustainable, diverse, yet interconnected communities. A culture available to suit you’re values. Then we may enjoythe benefits of our labor and the abundance of nature.
We shall be herded like animals no-more!They shall not make us fight each other by crowding us into each others territory.
We must not turn the the world over to those who print money for free, harvesting the wealth of their domesticated humans.
I CHOOSE TO BE A WOLF, NOT A SHEEP DOG IN THE masters HOUSE.Free Land and People!
Worldwide Debt Jubilee & Permanent Rent and Mortgage Strike.
This New Years ;1-1-06 and turn 911 on it’s head.
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