Radioactive Wounds of War

Ramjet Rabbit doesn’t even know Traprock Peace Centre. As has been covered adequately before now there is not two sides to an ongoing debate. The actual science may be being quantified as we speak, but the fact of the danger of this stuff has not been in doubt for sixty years Roger. the world opinion on it as a weapon of war is before you and is not discussble beyond admitting it is contained whithin the resolutions outlined above, among others.

Not for the first time Roger I shall repeat to you that all you ask of me has been answered and it is the most common thing people write to me about this thread. Roger keeps asking you to answer questions you already have.

Roger you are forgetting that Natalie is also Natalie Helbig and has admitted it as you admitted you are Roger Helbig.

You tell us you never knew her before and yet you own the same surname?

This is not as ludicrous as your shilling efforts but it ranks high brother.

You need to stop talking about spam, Rabbit is neither a spammer or supporteer of such.

Rabbit is merely part of an informal organisation of ‘suitably’ qualified individuals whose aim it is to counterbalance the extensive government “Internet Propaganda” which has become so prolific of late.

we are few in number and as diverse as human nature. We may lack the resources and numbers but we have two things you can never overcome, Lt Colonel Roger Helbig and all like you.

The truth and the light.  You have been outed Colonel and as such are somewhat of a historical case but rest assured that you have started something rolling which is the opposite of what you had in mind.

Rabbit is sorry Roger, but there is no more pretence and games. You have been outed, admitted, you have been caught out in the most fundamental lies, and would try and pass yourselves off as others to decieve. It is no longer fishing to call you a Shill, you are adn it’s proven. Since the whole thread stands and is archived also, the fact is inescapable.

Every time you try to push the lie again here, you are merely bashing more nails into what is your coffin, pure and simple.

The second most common point people make about you is that you are either incredibly silly for a colonel (someone has explained the milieu from which you sprang and it makes sense) or else so absolutely desperate to keep a lid on this somehow that you cannot let it be, even though all reason and logic has collapsed around you.

Roger nobody would bash their head against such a solid wall as you are doing by choice, this is the only reason Rabbit still thinks you are paid. Natalie’s heart was not in it at the end. Is she a daughter or the missus? Just wondering. But she is called Natalie Helbig, Roger so just cut the spin, it does not even hop, let alone fly.

Roger before you post again, please for pit’s sake, read all Rabbit’s posts to you, you are blundering about in the dark so much it’s sad to watch. Do it for the sake of the Airforce pride, you are bringing them down with such a feeble display.

Trying to be kind Roger, but only because it’s a mood. Rabbit cannot accept you are anything but malevolent, sadly. Detected a similar cold-heartedness in Nat, is it Genetic or influence wonders Rabbit.

What qualifications Roger? Can’t you guess, it is written all over, how do we see you so clearly? How do we unravel your games with such ease?

Don’t you guys have some pet psychics somewhere?

Rather an interesting tool combined with Internet, actually. How will you fight people who only shine a harmless light on you? Who preach only love and tolerance, and who can show everyone how to see through the masks you have spent so long in building.

It all comes down to illusion as your masters know, Roger even if you do not, and while an illusion of such magnitude as that they have spun can take lifetimes to assemble, it can collapse in an instant with the gentle gust of reason.

The best way to bring down this mess your lot have created was always to wait until you had achieved maximum instability, from the cosmic balance and then a few just give the whole thing a gentle push in the right direction at the right time.

With the DU issue it seems you have finally overreached and now as you reach for the impossible you will have to hang on until that tower hits ground.

Thankyou on behalf of all of us for sacrificing your credibility and pride and image, just so we could clearly see where the lever needed to be applied.

This rabbit jerk is a mindless idiot, speaking of over-reaching.  He is really way in over his head .. I suspect that he got as far as 6th grade science if he managed to get that far.

What I would like to know is LIST OWNER .. why did you allow Rabbit in any form once Rabbitvoz was kicked off for violating the terms of service.

Simple Roger, Rabbit has been re-instated in all his posts, as you have been repeatedly told. Your complaints and those of Natalie, which were made simulataneously were shown to be false.

Rabbit never did violate any terms of service.

Plus you have been shown to be a liar, without any overeaching by anyone except yourself.

Do you now wish to alter history? Forgetting are we that you and Natalie have beed outed?
She admitted the name Roger, you did too through being so dumb. What do you hope to achieve by lying more.

No wonder you guys lose wars so badly, you never notice when you have lost.

What qualifications does it take to speak the truth Roger?

One thing that helps credibility is if one has no vested interests, like Rabbit and others who have helped skin you.

You are a PENTAGON Colonel as we know, directly connected to the military DU propaganda effort.

Yopu have any credibility after being shown to be using a team of people.

You still don’t hear Rabbit, we know Natalie is your family, her name is on the public record as is yours.

You would have been kicked off if your lies were not so important to show the truth about your lies.

Either you are the dumbest human ever to be promoted to colonel or you are being ordered back into this breach against all judgement.

You have nothing you never had anything and now you don’t even have any honour.

They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for officers in your Military. Maybe you are safest for them out of the way playing internet agent?

Would anyone let this nut-job near live ammunition?

Still think the funniest thing you do is keep on speculating about things Rabbit has long since answered for you. You neeed not guess anything about Rabbit, unlike you he has answered all your questions. You have never answered Rabbit’s except by accident as Rabbit has required you too. You even took the thousands of times bait which Rabbit dropped way back when to compare how you reacted when presented with a fact you know to be false.

You fell. That time you were short to the point and never waffled or repeated yourself or linked to anything.

It was way back then that Rabbit knew how to tell when you were knowingly lying.

You stupid little pissant military man, telling me I am out of my depth.

Foolish little boy.

Nobody wants to play anymore do they?

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Who just told you Rabbit is wiping the floor with you, not long since Roger? Natalie was it?
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Not concentrating so not sure, but let it be a warning Roger about who is out of their depth.

David postulated that the use of Du ammunition is a war crime because of UN resolutions which even in the event the UN was disbanded, (Yes we expect anything of you scum), the resolutions will stand as a testimony to your having knowingly committed crimes aginst humanity.

No other detail is required to destroy your case.

You won’t believe this Roger but Rabbit has kept one last nasty surprise for you, and all you have to do is ask for it. Please do, just do, for Rabbit has an oath of charity which will be voided by your next post.

Come on Roger Helbig, you obviously won’t give up until you are worm turds. So come and get it, why should you be the only one to go down out of the scum who have pushed you to this, let’s take the whole DU crew down with you, do they fancy their chances against a Rabbit?
Why not. The most powerful Army in the world and all. One Rabbit says Up Yours!

What can one Rabbit do against the greatest WAR CRIMINALS OF HISTORY? Come along big brave mass murderers, it’s one thing to kill people who don’t see it coming, face the Rabbit, he can see your filthy mishapen souls. He does not fear your lies for lies die in the light of truth.

Roger Ramjet and His Eagles
Fighting all our freedoms
Rather poison one and all
With not an ounce of reason.

Roger Ramjet he’s our man
Killing is in season
Use this DU bomb my son
and its OK to breathe in.

“I’m not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used,” said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home.

Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium.

“When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile’s impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile,” said Maj. Rokke from his Rantoul, IL home this week. “And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile. Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used.”

“Even if there was depleted uranium used, do you think the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would really care? These are bottom feeders that 20 or 30 years ago wouldn’t have been even allowed to set foot in such high positions of power,” said Moret.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31824.htm

This Natalie post does not sound like Natalie ..

The entire thing is baloney ...Rokke and Moret at their best, spinning to attract the 9/11 Truth Movement conspiracy theorists.

Moret .. the only thing on Moret’s resume that checks out is that she was once President of the Association of Women Geoscientists.  She also worked in some capacity, not as a staff scientist at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.  She also dropped out of the UC Davis Geology doctoral program.  The Radiation and Public Health Project had this to say about her claim to be a “staff member”

RPHP has written six books, not ten.

Leuren is not a member of our board of directors, and is not a research associate, which constitutes the guts of RPHP.  She, like many others, has presented information that we have compiled—which anyone can do, since all of our info. is public (except for Sr90 levels in individual baby teeth).  Joe Mangano

Rokke, well, he is a piece of work .. each day, I get new information about his claims versus his actual accomplishments .. He does appear to be a member of the retired reserve, probably in the grade of Major .. reservists, however do not say that they are retired from the Army .. only active duty members of a service consider themselves to be retirees of the service itself.  A reserve retirement is not quite the same .. you qualify for it after completing at least 20 good years .. a good year has 50 points, where points are earned at one for each day of active duty or for each 4 hour UTA period, points can also be earned for completing correspondence courses.  That is a long way from completing 20 years in the actual Army. Rokke never served in the Pentagon and the Army does not consider him to have ever been their “DU expert”.

If anything this Greg Syzmanski piece should clearly establish that Rokke and Moret have no regard for truth or scientific inquiry whatsoever and just play to whatever audience they can find.

Natalie, darling, so good to see you, out of the coffin for a while are we, drink some blood before we go for another little nap?

The Penatgon story is very interesting actually, now why would you want to go off on a tangent?

If there is nothing shonky going on at the Pentagon “supposed plane crash” then why did the FBI confiscate all video footage and why all the contradictory evidence which has arisen ? This is not the thread my dear so don’t waste you time. If you think you can put dirt on anybody by trying to raise the fact that they support another questioning of some very questionable “theories” then you are barking up the wrong tree, woof woof.

You see sweety the government 9/11 lies are coming undone quicker than any morals you ever possessed, or don’t you follow the news?

Now you pair of confirmed and proven SHILLS what nonsense are you trying to spin here now? Can you Turkeys not comprehend that we know who you are, who you work for and have even got the earlier posts here to prove it?

Perhaps people of your limited intellect Colonel could believe that your combined dance above would somehow give credibility where there is none, but you are simply not dealing with such puny, insecure people as you are used to working amongst. The Natalie post is your Natalie giving you a leg up from which to post another rambling attempt at confusing what is not an issue even being debated outside your fevered imagination.

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So far Roger Helbig, and Natalie Helbig you have failed to get one single other person to take you seriously, that does not include the Seargent, of course who found it a bit too hot when he realised we were on to you. So why do you waste your time? Rabbit is happy to keep coming back here to rub your grubby little noses in your own dirt as often as you wish. The thing is you are already sunk out of sight, and yet you are still ready to try and debase yourselves even more.

Now Roger, Rabbit has long since realised that you are a complete piece of garbage, with no ability, no genuine pride and no sense of self worth.

But Natalie, you have at least retained that shred of dignity from at least being graceful in defeat, don’t dissapoint Rabbit who looks forward to a much more amenable relationship when one day we meet again? Where else does CTG have you shilling at the moment?

Roger you don’t have a shred of dignity and you are the most disgusting piece of muck ever to have lodged itself between Rabbit’s toes.

If you really wish to continue sparring with Rabbit he has gone to the trouble of registering with a few of your favorite forums, a bit of military History anyone? Would you like Rabbit to join you in your self stroking military love in? Rabbit could come and detail the stories of some of his friends who from experience swear that Australia lost more troops to the US trigger happy cowboys in Vietnam than we ever lost to the Vietnamese. There is no shortage of very unpleasant topics Rabbit could find to make your self petting life into a hell onm earth, and the fact is that there are probably a few more folk who would like to have a go at you, you would not believe how many people have been drwn to this thread, but nobody who ever looks up your name, or the issues discussed in this thread will fail to find you in all your naked lies.

Try Googling your name, and see how far away this thread is. Remember too that every time you pop back to spew lies, the search parameters are increased and the strength of the match for your name among other things, is improved.

Rabbit saw this thread refferred to on a completely different site in Washington, it was described as essential reading for anyone studying the Iraq scenario or Depleted Uranium weapons abuse and propaganda in particular.

If you had enough imagination you would realise that not only have you lost this battle, you weener, you are busily burning your own ride out of the place.

Now I did promise you some further humiliation but am tired now so shall post it tomorrow. It’s all about you asshole though I promise.

Rabbit is glad though that you have decided to ensure you will be held accountable as a propagandist for War Crimes, you certainly deserve the rope and when your time comes Rabbit will be sure to smile contentedly.

Lt Colonel is a Propagandist for the use of the Banned weapon of Mass destruction, Depleted Uranium, Anybody examining this thread in future cannot fail to notice that since ROGER HELBIG is identified and is communicating with me since the posting of the actual data refferring to the crimes, he cannot fail but be held accountable and I urge all authorities to take note of this fact and ensure this Criminal is held accountable for his role in what will come to be seen as the worst crime against humanity ever perpetrated.

Natalie Helbig has also demonstrated support for the crime though she has subtly sought to minimalise her role since realising the seriousness of the likely consequences.

Nobody is exempt from prosecution for crimes against humanity, orders are not an excuse.

Roger if Rokke was to dissapear tomorrow you would still not be one step closer to changing the facts, it is touching the way you think that he is all you have to overcome to alter the world opinion. Touching but incredibly stupid.

So Rabbit,

Do YOU believe a missile hit the pentagon instead of a plane?  That’s a simple enough question...Yes or no?

Not here it is not. Name a better forum.

Pale One..................^^........................

Now that’s gotta be the shortest post on record by the Rabbit from Oz. 

It’s extremely illuminating to learn that the two “scientists” so often cited as “experts” on the horrors of depleted uranium believe or would even suspect that a missile hit the pentagon instead of that planeload of people, none of whom we’ve heard from since.

It’s also quite interesting to learn of Moret’s bitter partisan feelings:

“Even if there was depleted uranium used, do you think the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would really care? These are bottom feeders that 20 or 30 years ago wouldn’t have been even allowed to set foot in such high positions of power,” said Moret.

Michael Moore has demonstrated how extreme partisan hatred (and money) can influence accuracy and fairness when making a “documentary”.  I suspect Moret may be under the same influences. 

I’m encouraged that you apparently are not eager to associate yourself with these two on this belief, Rabbit.  In fact, I think you recognized long ago that these two “experts” credentials are questionable.  Hence your reluctance to discuss the science of the matter and your reliance on abuse and accusations, on threats and intimidation.  Anything that might serve to distract people from focusing on the facts about depleted uranium, as layed out by multitudes of respected and genuine scientists.

I’m not interested in your identity, your gender, your aliases, or even who you might work for.  But I am interested in your beliefs, how you arrive at them, and how you support and justify them.  I can’t think of a more appropriate and relevant forum in which to specify your degree of alignment with the “depleted uranium tipped missile threory”.

Natalie.

Rabbit gave a short reply because that is all that was needed.

This thread is about Depleted Uranium Ammunition, it’s effects and the morality of it’s continued use. You have been part of a concerted campaign by a small group of people who have been proven to be linked to each other and to the military attempt to disinform the public about DU and it’s effects. The stuff has been discussed in light of a huge range of scientific opinion as well as the historical experience of sixty years, the combined opinions of a broad range of “independant” people and in view of the actual United Nations resolutions banning it’s use.

You and Roger tried to hide your identities, which were relevant to your position. You have lied and been caught lying.

You have made transparent attempts to sidetrack the issues at every available and some manufactured instances.  You have made false accusations which have not stood the test of scrutiny by independant people. Like many of the decietful things you have done, this too backfired and lost you even more ground.

Natalie, you know that Rabbit is a Male Rabbit, whether or not you care. You have no reason to think Rabbit uses aliases, Rabbit identified himself the first time he was asked to, and as such is the only person who has done so. Neither you nor Roger volunteered your names. Roger swallowed his foot the first time to give us his. You made your name a subject of importance by forcing Rabbit to prove he was neither paranoid or deluded, all things you have unsuccessfully accused Rabbit of at one time or another.  By forcing Rabbit to prove you were indeed connected to Roger, you are the one who made it an issue.

The result so far Natalie is something like this.

Rabbit has told the truth, and has proven all contentions made by him. Rabbit has been proven to be honest, reasonable and not too dumb. Rabbit has been shown to possess excellent intuitive skills and a sound debating skill.

Natalie, you have been proven to be, deliberate deciever, connected to a known Depleted Uranium disinformation campaign, unreasonable and a dirty fighter, how dare you complaign about Rabbit’s gentle words on the Unnattural disaster thread!  You have scrfiiced all credibility and honour to arrive at this point and now you would dare to raise your head again and try and play morally superior!

If you actually wish to debate, these, unrelated issues rabbit will be glad to do so, but not at risk of further smoke and mirrors being added to a thread which is thoroughly and completely anathema to your cause.

You have only got a small group of special interest scientists to support any part of your false claims. Rokke and Moret are welocme to believe whatever thjey choose so long as their data is correct about this issues and it is.  They are not the whole basis of the case you are up against they are just the people from within the military’s own ranks who are talking the truth.

You must stop presuming things Natalie, if you take Rabbit’s refusal to be led into stupid stunts as some sort of encouragement then you are no more than a glutton for punishment.

Since the Pentagon business is a matter of opinion and since it does not have any realistic bearing on this thread, if you have any class whatever you will show it by naming an appropriate forum.

At least that way you can start out on an even footing. Here you no longer have any credibility, and it is becoming hard to imagine you have any self respect either Natalie.

You cannot be serious about this being a relevant forum to discuss what is a fairly obscure and not widely accepted theory about what went on at the Pentagon.  The thing which is certain is that the official story is a lie, and by the way Barbara Olsen looks like she has just turned up alive, so you were right about nobody turning up alive, only until yesterday.  You see that is the thing with lies Natalie, they eventually can only fall. Only truth is here here to stay and even it must suffer constant assault by such as you.

You already know about Rabbit’s and all reasonable people’s beliefs about Depleted Uranium, stop pretending anybody has any doubt about it.  It is a well established fact that the Penatgon is trying to spin DU but it is the most ambitious propaganda campaign ever attempted and has so far netted, NOT ONE believer.

You have lost here Natalie, stop rolling in all the gore on the floor, it is yours and Rogers and it is most unseemly.

Rabbit detects a mind worth meeting, but cannot do so while holding you in contempt. If you want something so important as Rabbit’s opinion on something new, then let us at least begin by showing we do not have an agenda, like perhpas messing up a thread which doesn’t say what you wanted it to say.

I mean it Nat, stop being pathetic, you look like someone who should have strength of character, not mere stubborness.

Filtering through my shame-on-me scolding, I think I’ve ascertained thus:

You, Rabbit, apparently really do believe I am related or married to Roger, or possibly am him.

You believe I’m someone other than an ordinary average citizen that has some kind of outside direction to defend the use of DU for the military and don’t have the brains and common sense to recognize a ginned up propaganda campaign when I see it.

You have summarily dismissed mountains of studies by dozens of agencies and institutions all concluding basically the same thing....DU is not as harmless as Jello, but is far from being the demonic substance portrayed by you and others.

You think that because people and countries that hate or are jealous of America think that using DU is a war crime, it automatically is!

You are not sure, but you suspect that a missile was intentionally fired into the pentagon; I would guess to justify action in Iraq and secure the oil fields there for Haliburton.

You think the fact that the two most identified anti-DU “authorities” are apparently conspiracy kooks is somehow not relevant to this debate.

You think that Barbara Olson is alive.

You think you have prevailed in this debate and I should bow down in shame and proclaim myself unworthy to occupy the same comment board as the wise and all seeing Rabbit, based largely on the simple fact that Rabbit says so, energetically, and in third person for extra effect, apparently.

Basically accurate?  I think so.

As for your accuracy, I’m afraid your final score is not too good. 

Because I AM an ordinary citizen that has no connection whatsoever to Roger or ANYONE having ANYTHING to do with DU.  (other than emailing Roger late in the game to thank him for his service and conduct small talk)

Because a plane flown by terrorists actually DID crash into the Pentagon.

Because Barbara Olson IS unfortunatly quite dead and always will be.

Because Rokke’s and Moret’s succumbing to an entirely politically motivated kook conspiracy theory that ALSO happens to lay shame on the U.S. government and it’s military is INCREDIBLY relevant to this particular debate on this particular website.

On these points, be assured that you are absolutely 100 percent WRONG.  As for the remaining far more complicated ones, I prefer to leave it to history to judge who is indeed “pathetic”, and who is rolling in what on the floor, instead of simply taking your word for it.

Because although I generally adore bunny rabbits, I think I have sufficient reason not to place total trust in this particular one’s judgement.

Oh for god’s sake girl, are you going to say it is a co-incidence that You and Roger are HELBIG’s?

Rabbit did not say that Barbara Olsen is alive but that there is some news to that effect, have not as yet checked it self, but have been expecting it so won’t be surprised.

Does Natalie know that seven of the “alleged” hijackers of planes are alive and well and never were even in the USA at at the time?

Still officially on the list though.

If the whole thing was not such a bloody big cover up by everyone concerned then there would not be so many questions. If you wish to deny there is a mountain of evidence which “THOROUGHLY” discredits the official story of nearly everything that happened on 9/11 Rabbit shall know you are lying again for the evidence is legion and if you desire Rabbit shall bury you in enough to smash the official story ten times over and you know it can be done, or else you are so busy with “official Duties” that you don’t ever do any independent research.. 

Rabbit does not know what hit the Pentagon, but doubts it was the plane specified for several reasons, not the thread for it.  That was a very specific part of the Pentagon hit and it was damaged in a specific way, and Rabbit might mention at this point that he is something of an expert with explosives, their chemistry and use as it happens.

There are many questions about what happened and as the Government and Pentagon are actively blocking all attempts at finding the truth it will be a little longer yet before certain facts make it impossible for the lies to stand even the breathe of air of the feeble sheeple’s gaze.

There is no way that a discussion of such unknowable, (or do you know something we don’t Nat?) things can benefit such a specific issue when all your purpose is to try and bring some sort of discredit on people who’s credibility is not in doubt. Even more importantly and it is why Rabbit shall avoid your petty tricks, the credibility of the people you would question is not central to anything which has been said in this thread. As half of the only dissenting voice on the issue, you have placed you credibility at the centre stage, and Natalie, Rabbit does not have to tell you again, you got none, sweet lips.

Poisonous eyes though.

You must have Blood........... kill........, drown them in Poisonous gases and radioactive rain and dust.

Mutilate their babies and their futures.

OOOH you are a Horrible breed!  It is the Rabbit’s duty to face these beasts, will no one stand by his side? Must he battle them alone. She with her eyes like daggers and her words like tentacles of death, twisted and slimy and sucky.

He who must soon awaken from his death like slumber. He hears her entreaties even now, and stirs, the Master of Death.........mwa ha ha................................... His eyes and sould are dead, yet like the undead, his zombie like words and apparent lack of sentience bely the real threat of his intent not at all. He will rise, he will rise.

Sje is arisen and what will be her new avenue of attack. How will she attempt a breach of the citadel of truth?

When all else fails, try the same thing agina nd see if something different happens.
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Is that the plan Natalie?

I thought I’d come back and nose around a bit.

Yes,the function of DU is to kill tanks and not pollute the countryside.Still,that’s what we’re doing with our good ol’ DU.Oh,and neutron bombs were designed to stop major Soviet armor advances into Western Europe.However,once used,the terrain is pretty much useless.At least with that weapon you can point to a map and tell people not to go there.Not so with dozens of pieces of itty bitty chunks of DU.

The problem is that the Pentagon places weapons in its arsenal without fully examining the dynamics of that weapon.Trying to solve the problem with a short-term solution is no real solution.

Oh,and while we’re defending strewing the countryside with radioactive material,why not ‘fess up and tell us what corporation wer’e a shill for.show me a Pentagon spokesman endorseing an utterly brutal weapon of limited use,and I’ll show you a person trying to line themselves with a civilian career upon retirement.

“We’re DuPont.Making third world residents into flambe’ is our specialty.Better living,and killing,through chemistry.”

And then thirty years later someone finds the unexpended ordinance and reminds the rest of the village why they should still hate us.

The comment about the radioactive landmines should run a chill through your blood,my furry little posting friend.I’m a rural schoolteacher with a modicum of familiarity of ordinance and it took me about five seconds to imagine DU landmines and ten seconds more to imagine possible applications in war,such as remote denial of territory to armored advances.

After all,why fly a whole bunch of noisy,smelly A-10’s all around the sky trying to hit those pesky tanks that,honestly,just won’t sit still when you can simply fly one B-52 over the area and drop several thousand softball size,or maybe even smaller,mines into the area like “gravel” mines?So what if it doesn’t blow the tank to kingdom come right then?All it has to do is blow off a tread and render it useless.Then the A-10 pilot can hit it more easily.See?It is a good idea!Better yet,in the spirit of cost efficiency,instead of wasting all that fuel and bullets,we just send troops in to manually destroy the tanks and let them become familiar,albeit not immediately,with what DU does to DNA.

Later,if anyone questions just whether or not DU landmines are potent or durable,we can ask the local villagers.

“Twenty years ago,my friends and I were playing near where Americans would kill tanks.A mine went off and killed two of my friends.still another died of sickness Even though he was only nearby.Last week,my son was playing in the same area and was blown in half by another still active mine.”

What a product testimonial.

Hi wwoods can you see the beasts have been watching and have arisen yet again?

Tell Rabbit it is not extraordinary tenacity?

Here’s a nice set of pictures.  See if you can refute these lies.

http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/files/nuclear/fahey_jun_14_03.pdf

Maybe the lies you tell to refute earlier lies can be construed as fear.

How about a little more scholarly research to show you how foolish it is to try to trivialize the risks of DU?

http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/files/nuclear/fetter_jun_14_03.pdf

Oh, and perhaps this has been cited as well:

http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/index.htm#tabl

Funny how non-scientists like myself can come up with these things.  Google seems to be the chink in the armor of the apologists.  Perhaps Natalie ought to recuse herself from further discussion--it’s hard to argue once someone has beaten their pithy arguments into the ground.

No, better yet--Natalie: continue posting.  Your lies help me google the truth better.

How would you like to help with the recovery of DU, Natalie?

Here, see if this sounds like it is up your alley.

If you were following the links listed above, you would have found this little ditty from the US military which shows that DU is perfectly harmless.

Go ahead, Natalie, go to MOPP-4 and get to work!

If DU is safe, why does the military recommend going to Mission Oriented Protection Posture 4, the highest possible level, to handle DU?

Soldiers go to MOPP-4 when directly attacked by chemical weapons such as blister agents, nerve gas and radiological devices.

But that’s okay, Natalie.  Go read some lies and some truth and tell us you think DU is perfectly safe.

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Much of the existing guidance and training satisfied neither requirement. For example, the DU Hazard Awareness Training Support Package-Tier I (for the general soldier audience), fielded in 1997, directed personnel to run a RADIAC meter over casualties to detect any DU contamination before providing treatment. The training video in this package implied that DU radiation is sufficiently dangerous to warrant delaying life-saving medical attention, when this is most emphatically not the case. Similarly, the recommendation to don the MOPP-4 ensemble (chemical protective mask, overgarments, rubber “booties,” and gloves) when responding to DU incidents or accidents was excessive. In hot climates like Southwest Asia, wearing MOPP-4 gear can rapidly degrade situational awareness and personal performance and increase the risk of dehydration and heat injury. On the battlefield, these conditions paradoxically could increase the risk of death or serious injury, a risk unwarranted by the relatively insignificant hazard DU poses.

Consequently, the working group suggested the services should shift their emphasis to:

clearly and accurately characterizing DU’s risks;
telling personnel how they might encounter DU contamination; and
giving personnel the knowledge they need to operate safely and effectively despite the presence of DU contamination.
To accomplish this shift in awareness, the Tri-Service DU Working Group suggested future training should emphasize this information:

DU’s primary “hazard” is chemical toxicity, not low-level radioactivity;
When handling intact DU armor or unfired DU rounds and in almost all non-combat circumstances, personnel need not take protective measures against depleted uranium contamination;
Standard field safety and basic field hygiene procedures will ensure personnel safety;
Personnel may need to take protective measures in these circumstances:
in, on, or near (closer than 50 meters) an armored vehicle when DU munitions struck it;
near (closer than 50 meters) DU munitions fires (although standard guidance is to stay at least 400 meters away from such fires due to the risk of explosions and blast-fragmentation injuries); and
spending extended periods (hours daily for many days) entering and working inside DU-damaged vehicles as part of everyday duties.
Using the best available dose assessment and health effects data, the working group also suggested:

Brief entries into vehicles hit by DU are safe; and
Personnel wounded by DU do not pose a contamination hazard to first responders or treatment personnel, who should never delay first aid and medical treatment because of DU wounds or wound contamination.

Well how about that Nat, Rabbit thought he had you all to himself here in the dark, and you thought so too, with just the stranger with the stranger name watching quietly behind the curtain. He will rise, He will Rise,...............  Roger arise and return........... fresh blood awaits you.

Rabbit will even give his “Opinion” about the pentagon if you wish, but you must come and ask nicely.

He will rise,......................^^..........................

They are finally reading the whole thread, What is the bet?

Rabbit dung continues to slander .. he says I tried to hide my identity .. I signed my posts Roger, which led him to me .. even though he thinks he rates up there with the great sleuths of all time like Sherlock Holmes (of course Sherlock was a fictional character, so perhaps Rabbit dung is likewise) .. I have posted my real e-mail address in a spam proof format .. I challenge Rabbit dung and all of his fellow hangers on to do likewise .. this forum limits post sizes and is not amenable to the sending of attachments.  I deeply resent Rabbit dung’s assertions that I am a liar .. or that there is some sort of connection between Natalie (who also uses her real first name in posting, more than I can say for Rabbit dung, of course unlike Rabbit dung, we have not been booted from this forum under any name like Rabbitvoz was because he refused to play by the rules on at least two of the threads) .. I have never met met Natalie or even corresponded with Natalie prior to Rabbit dung’s slandering both of us in this forum.  We just have similar knowledge of radioactive substances; enough to know that DU is not a nuclear weapon, is not a form of silent genocide and that while not benign, it has caused no birth defects and that Sergeant Matthews (who seems to ignore this forum) is likely being used by the anti-DU witchhunters.
romeohotelecholimabravoindiagolf@charliealphalimaspelledoutinfulldotcom ..

From another article on Rokke by Greg Szymanski—whose ArcticBeacon website does not hesitate to bring you all the conspiracy scams in the interest of your sending him a PayPal donation to keep him in the style to which he would like to be accustomed

“Army Major Doug Rokke has been shot at, run off the road, threatened, harassed, black-balled, intimidated, called a liar and treated like a “hated enemy” not by opposition forces in Iraq, but by ‘secret ops’ in the U.S. government, obviously acting on orders from top military brass.

And in May 2000 he was subjected to the biggest scare of his life when bullets rang through his son’s bedroom window while living in Jacksonville, Alabama, in what he calls “another near miss” by government hit men bound and determined to remove his presence from the planet.

Maj. Rokke, living in Rantoul, Illinois, and still active in the Army Reserves, has been a government target ever since going public in a May 1997 article in the Nation Magazine, criticizing the military for failing to clean-up depleted uranium used in Iraq during the first Gulf War. “

PS .. if one is retired, they are no longer active .. active reservists are NOT retired.  He can’t be both.  Of course, Doug Rokke is not really an Army major if he is a reservist either .. The rank of Major in the active Army is much more difficult to obtain than the rank of Major in the Army Reserve.  Rokke wants to confuse you on that, just like he claims to have been the target of multiple hit attempts.  He also claims to be dying from exposure to DU.

Leuren Moret claims to be a “whistleblower” .. to have blown the whistle while an employee of the University of California at either Lawrence Livermore or Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories.  Given Moret’s in your face attitude, one would not have expected her not to file an appeal of any negative action taken against her for whistleblowing.  The Department of Energy Office of Hearings and Appeals would have received any such appeal.  They have no record of an appeal by Leuren Moret.  That certainly makes it much less likely that she is a “whistleblower”.

I also find it odd that a “newsmaker” like Rokke would not merit an article or two in a local paper in the Rantoul area.  I wonder why; perhaps, the journalists there did not accept what he told them at face value and actually checked his references and the facts.

Being from Australia, Rabbit should be able to identify with the proceedings from this “Kangaroo Court”.  Early in the Roo-court’s declarations, we are suddenly aware that we have arrived in central downtown Kookville:

Judgement In The People Vs George Walker Bush
Tuesday, 16 March 2004, 10:21 am
Press Release: International Criminal Tribunal For Afghanistan

6. 11th September 2001 attacks in the United States had no connection with Afghanistan.

The prosecution has questioned the factual and legal basis of this defense , submitting at page 17 of its Indictment that -

“….. it is not etablished that the 9.11 incidents were the acts of Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda ……..the letter to the Chairman of the UN Security Council which the United States sent on October 7 ,2001 and another letter which the United Kingdom sent of October 4, 2001 and the videotape released on December 13 are inadequate as defences .Therefore the criminal activities of Osama bin Laden and the members of the al Qaeda have never been established enough to prosecute them for 9.11 incidents”.

Admittedly videotapes of an individual claiming to be Osama bin Laden , reaching swiftly into the hands of the administration of the Defendant, and other governments , desiring to advance their own explanation for events; is not proof of the involvement of Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda organization ,in the terrorist attacks of 9.11 ; this is tainted evidence.

On the basis of the facts which have emerged in the public domain , of the background of Osama bin Laden and of those alleged to have perpetrated the attacks of the 11th September 2001 ; of which judicial notice can be taken as per rules of evidence of the ICTA statute ; the core issue which confronts this Tribunal is whether those who allegedly committed the crimes of the 11 th Septermber 2001 in the United States, had any connection with Afghanistan”.

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Low and behold, who do we find testifying for the prosecution, which has just attempted to exonerate Osama bin Laden, but that dynamic duo of Moret and Rokke:

“Ms Leuren Moret gave vital evidence of United States military policy , on the use of DU weapons, tracing the history of its creation and the politics of its use - Prosecution document Ex .E 156 .Ms Leuren Moret deposed that - after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki , an international outcry and taboo against nuclear weapons, prevented the further use of nuclear and radioactive weapons ;this policy was abandoned in 1991;a decision was made by the Strategic Command in the USA to blur the distinction between conventional and nuclear weapons by introducing DU into the battlefield ; this witness has aptly described DU as the “trojan horse “ of nuclear weapons ; with similar effects.

The documents produced by this witness, handed over to her by Major Doug Rokke ; prove conclusively that the United States government and military were aware from 1943 , of the genocidal and omnicidal nature of DU weapons .A memorandum dated 30th October 1943 , received by General Groves in charge of the Manhattan Project ( nuclear weapons project ) from three physicians working under him , Prosecution document Ex -E 126, recommends that radiological materials be developed for use as a military weapon on the battlefield.  It was a blueprint for depleted uranium weaponry”. 

Cue ominous music.  How about the Twilight Zone theme?  Yeah, that’d be good, use that.

http://tinyurl.com/av634

Rabbit, your “Pale Rider” alias is all too transparent.  Your tactic of adopting a polar-opposite measured, understandable debating technique does not hide your identity.  It’s just the trick I would use.  I know from experience, you see!!  If readers will page up a few posts, they will see a reference posted by Rabbit that will make clear the association:

“Pale One..................^^........................”

Nice try, Pale Rabbit.  You forgot you left this little nugget of evidence, didn’t you?  You’re not the only sleuth on this board!!  But shame on me—as I have previously stated, the name, identity or number of personalities is unimportant.  I will address the substance of your posts assuming you are actually two separate people, even though I KNOW you are one.  My evidence and logic is unassailable.  ........NN........

Nuclear Natalie

I don’t know if you are simply careless, Pale Rider, or if you are stealthily on my side.  Pasting directly from your above post, caps emphasis added:

“Much of the existing guidance and training satisfied neither requirement. For example, the DU Hazard Awareness Training Support Package-Tier I (for the general soldier audience), fielded in 1997, directed personnel to run a radiac meter over casualties to detect any DU contamination before providing treatment. The training video in this package IMPLIED that DU radiation is sufficiently dangerous to warrant delaying life-saving medical attention, WHEN THIS IS MOST EMPHATICALLY NOT THE CASE. Similarly, the recommendation to don the MOPP-4 ensemble (chemical protective mask, overgarments, rubber “booties,” and gloves) when responding to DU incidents or accidents was EXCESSIVE. In hot climates like Southwest Asia, wearing MOPP-4 gear can rapidly degrade situational awareness and personal performance and increase the risk of dehydration and heat injury. On the battlefield, these conditions paradoxically could increase the risk of death or serious injury, a risk UNWARRANTED by the relatively INSIGNIFICANT HAZARD DU poses.”

Perhaps I’m missing something.

The Nuclear Policy organization you linked to is simply an anti-everything to do with nuclear propaganda site.  Their slideshows are of little value in reaching any reliable conclusions re:  DU.  They are more confusing than anything.

Your link:  http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/index.htm

Contains lots and lots of statements like this:

“There have been a number of studies of workers exposed to uranium and, despite some workers being exposed to large amounts of uranium, there is NO evidence that either natural uranium or DU is carcinogenic. This lack of evidence is seen even for lung cancer following inhalation of uranium. As a precaution for risk assessment and to set dose limits, DU is assumed to be potentially carcinogenic, but the lack of evidence for a definite cancer risk in studies over many decades is significant and should put the results of assessments in perspective.”

And this:

“Numerous studies of the effects of inhaled or ingested uranium in humans have not conclusively documented increased death rates or effects on the immune or nervous systems.  Other studies have looked at several common effects uranium could cause. Uranium miners have experienced an increased risk of lung cancer, which scientists agree is attributable to other substances, such as tobacco smoke, radon, and radon’s short-lived radioactive decay products.  Heavy metals also may affect the liver, but high doses are required to produce observable effects. Although animal studies have suggested possible liver injury from uranium, it has not been found in anyone exposed to DU, including workers at uranium testing sites, even when exposures were much longer and much higher than Gulf War veterans’.”

Please confirm which side of the debate you are on!!

It is interesting to read through the postings in response to Lindorf’s article.  Why anyone wastes time replying to “Rabbit” is beyond me--it’s clearly a person whose only power and purpose lies in attacking others on the Internet, and the very nature of his postings demonstrate more about his own feelings of inadequacy than they do about depleted uranium.  From other things I’ve read about depleted uranium, it seems that is an issue that attracts misfits and losers and attention-seekers.  Why isn’t it getting more attention in society, politics, and the media?  Maybe it is because the people speaking out about it lack credibility.  Rabbit, you’ve lost this race, and should remain in your hole.

You are one stupid desperate little lady Natalie.

There is a reference to pale one as you so predictably pointed out? Now do you actually think Rabbit would be so dumb as to say something like Pale One to you and then come here as Pale Rider?

Of course that sort of stupidity would be par for the course for our proven little shills like the Helbigs.  There is a connection though between Pale Rider and that comment and though it is of no consequence, Rabbit shall mention it to show what a tosser you are.

Pale Rider is someone who Rabbit has had some contact at another site. He has mentioned this thread to Rabbit when he saw Rabbit over at the site concerned. He has an interest in the DU issue as do many people by the way, and actually has been one to keep Rabbit informed that you had popped up again over here, even before he posted here.

Initially Rabbit was not sure that Pale Rider was not your self, because he had a different handle when first we met. THis seemed possible because his comments about DU once as Pale Rider had been cryptic. The comment to you as Pale one was as it happens a fishing trip by Rabbit to check that possibility. You never even nibbled so Rabbit guessed it wasn’t you.

You must get all thoughts out ofr your weeny head of outsmarting Rabbit, you are just seeming more and more poathetic with each new hystericqal claim.

Now shall we get down to business.

Roger Helbig, you are as usual a lying pig.

You only used your name Roger because you are too unimaginative to come up with anything else except your lifelong hero of Ramjet. You have always sung the little song to yourself when the other nasty airforce officers put you down, didn’t you?

You wre tricked, quite by accident by us into revealing your own identity. Somebody mentioned the name of Roger Helbig and that he was a known Pentagon DU Disinfo agent. Rabbit speculated out loud and you did your usual “jump then don’t look anyway” and gave up your name, for which you have been gnashing your teeth ever since.

You and Natalie then tried to pretend you did not know each other even when the possibility was raised. You both lied about this relationship then and despite having both given it away you are reverting to former lies as you always do.

It is furthermore very obvious that you are both working together to hog the last posts of each page as this thread goes on and on.

This is a classic Shilling trick and it is excellent that you have provided the troops with the demo of just how underhanded and sleazy as well as dishonest the US government is when it is spreading lies.

Now Hare is so obviously a construct at this point that you pair and your department is the most weird looneys ever seen.

Hare is not even worth a reply. If Hare had reqad anything it would know there is nothing here but the remains of two thoroughly discredited official Liers.

Is Natalie and Roger not liers then.

Did the whole world just appear fresh and new at the start of you last post Roger and Natalie.

Since you have trouble doing more than trying to insult a superior soul and avoid at all cost facing any truth Rabbit shall stick to repeating some of the things which make you liers and losers.

It was nice to see Pale Rider join us and perhaps wwoods will be back, these people have and will put your mangy “recycled lies” into the biox. Rabbiot shall point out what filth you both are, again.

Innadeqacy quaint Hare, is feeling a need to post under several different handles to make it look like you have supporters, no what I mean.

Innadequacy is being called accurately on all your own personality disorders by someone who you just don’t seem to be able to score a point against because you are everything you try and call others.

You wish Rabbit was insecure, you wish Rabbit was crazy and you wish Rabbit was half as stupid as yourself, because then you would not feel so inadequate yourself. In this you are wrong, you would be just as innadequate with or without Rabbit’s help.

Just one posting to judge it from but guess is it is Roger, the same “pompous” whining tone, it’s hard to hide Roger.

Maybe wrong , there is a first time for everything.

It could be the Sargent, but he was more considered, less “suffering”.

DU SHILLS
You are dealing in war crimes, you are lying about the ill effects, you are ignoring the whole Ceramics Oxide danger which is the worst, you fiddle around with the radiation issue because you know it’s safer ground.

Nobody independant has supported your case. You claim there is an Anti-DU movement. There is, it is called the civilized world. Something from ewhich you are exclued by choice.

The reason that there is not much about this in the media yet is because many people are crusing along with no idea that scumbags like you are trying to create doubt where there is none.  Very few people have put two and two together yet and realised exactly what this sexy sounding new stuff, depleted uranium is.

All we have to do is bring the issue into the open as we are doing with your invaluable help, Shills. From here the people realise what you are doing in their name and they will be coming with the rope, I promise.

Back to the war crime issue again now guys.

You Lt Colonel Roger Helbig and Natalie Helbig are hereby formally charged by Me, Rabbit as a citizen of the world. You are propagandising for the use of a banned weapon of mass destruction. You are committing the crime with full knowledge of the resolutions which together with other legal treaties will be used to try you in an international court one fine day.

You are a pair of “Known” employees of agencies which have direct connections to the Pentagon efforts to misinform the public and keep the truth hidden from US citizens and servicemen.

You can chuck all the hollow taunts you like my way. Rabbit is in no doubt who has lost this whole battle. You have lost the debate in every sense. You have never established a single fact which changes the horrible nature of what is being done with Nuclear Waste.

You ahve never said anything about yourselves which did not turn out to be a lie. You have prevaricated and waffled and repeated and smoked and mirrored your way to a point of having absolutely abandoned all pretence of trying to find truth , rather you have been the nemesis of truth from the outset.

As usual you are so stupid you both dance for Rabbit exactly as he plays the tune. You cannot leave this thread, you hope to always get in the last shilling effort at the end of the page. You’ve had eight goes at it and nearly everyone you ahve suddenly made tha same long posting with all the disproven lies repeated as if they had never been said before.

If Rabbit was to stop now and others also, you pair would definately fill up the rest of this page with your lies again, because you seem to think people will only read backwards on the thread or something.

Depleted Uranium has ceased to be the central issue on this thread it has long since become a study of the Disinformation Campaign and you shills for Death in particular.

You are inhuman. You are damned. You are Traitors to your nation and to the human race.

Natalie is this the sort of stunt that CTG sells the government?

Is this what is called “information strategies”

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http://www.ctg.albany.edu/about/about?sub=people&section=natalie
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“The Center for Technology in Government works with government to develop information strategies that foster innovation and enhance the quality and coordination of public services.

We carry out this mission through applied research and partnership projects that address the policy, management, and technology dimensions of information use in the public sector.

The results generated by each project add to a growing knowledge base designed to support the work of both government professionals and academic researchers. Our guides, reports, and tools are freely available on our Publications page.”

Remember these words Natalie?

“Don’t get me wrong.  I’m as concerned with genuine health risks as the next person.”

.....Sure you are.

How about this touching moment when two strangers met for the first time, two strangers with the same cause and surname.
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“Natalie,

I admire your guts, taking on these scientific illiterate bullies .. look forward to direct communication.”

...........Tonight when you get home dear. Liers. You were not having any luck with the science back thenm either.About ten well informed people making mince-meat of you, go check it’s on page 2.

Page 2 was one which Ramjet did not quite manage to have the last post. He tried with almost half the page of posting repeats of lies, but he missed by a couple of lines because Ammonia D posted simulataneously to Rogers last. Cute.
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Our innocent open minded Natalie in another guise.
“I am new to this subject, although I have heard brief mention of it elsewhere in the past.”

........Sure you have Natalie. Well you sure made up your mind in a hurry, girl.

Rabbit was going to go down and keep re-posting some of your earlier lies which have since become quite ridiculous, but frankly the re-read of some of your filthy, sleazy, lying bumptious drivel is making Rabbit feel sick.

How many times do you excuses for life want to be dumped in the muck of your own making before you give up. Rabbit can keep on refuting your lies forever, or at least until you are imprisoned for your crimes, but what is the point? You are liers and I claim this as a fact and have proven it repeatedly. I am also happy to continue proving you are liers. There is no need for Rabbit to prove DU dangerous for troopps and for civilians and for the environment. This is about the best known fact in the world and no amount of paid scientists from tainted organistaions or outdated studies, or partial studies will change it.

There is no further need to prove you are liers with not a single credit to your names.

Hell even the fact that you banded together to get Rabbit"briefly" shut down backfired and proved that Rabbit was never the one to have said anything wrong.  The reason you are doing so badly here is that you began with lies, you continued to lie and you still do.

It was said on the first page by others that Roger had not enough credibility left to get any interest in any of his sources even. That was before we knew that he was a genuine Pentagon Shill. What now we know you are both in it together?

Oh Rabbit keeps forgetting That Natalie Helbig and Roger Helbig do not know each other, how could I forget.

By the way Lying shills, Eadora put a very simple question to you both once and like all straight questions to which you could not lie, you have ignored it. You have been asked numerous times but for some strange reason keep on ignoring her. You did the same with rabbit’s questions until you thought Rabbit was no longer watching, then out you came to do a little dance of spin. This backfired as Dave called you on it.

You are not having a good round here. Not a single sale in what, two months of constant shilling?

Don’t you get paid if you don’t do a good job here?

How do you sleep at night scum?

Go and start using Depleted Uranium Weapons your selves if you love the stuff so much..
Rabbit prays that if either of you ever breed the children are affected by Radiation poisoning. I sincerely pray that your womb is radiactoive dear Natalie, it would be fitting and so just. You are trying to condemn thousands of other women to the same fate and you are an abomination. Get back into the pit you pair of most foul beasts, begone from the sight of God, get beneath the earth. Nor will the earth hide you though you beg it to swallow you up.  It’s trees will give you no shade and its waters shall taste bitter to you. Yeh like unto blood which is the thing you you make rivers of. Rivers of blood and poisoning the world, poisoning her children and her childrens children. You lie to do it and you sell your souls for what? Fotr the right to be counted amongst the worst War mongering Whores of all human History.

No this is not overly dramatic, no hyperbole is possible. Rabbit has long been lost for words which could adequately express my loathing for you.

I promise that I shall follow you past this life and I will catch up with you grubs on the other side. Rabbit will be crossing over with eyes open this time, you will know what that means upon your re-awakening. At that time I command you to remember Rabbit and that he will be along immediately as is always the case in the timeless place. Then we shall see about things, little devils. What will you do when the time for lies is past? Face the truth and Rabbit will be there to serve it up to you in mighty doses. For now you are playing in a harmless garden, the test will be eternity. You guys are going to find eternity a bit different to Rabbit when the time comes.

Now what have you creeps been up to now, Pale Rider has just sent Rabbit an E-mail. Having just read all his posts, which Rabbit had barely done before, it is impossible to see why Pale Rider would have been banned. Yet he is.

Have you two sneaky trolls been up to your previous tricks of making false allegations against people? When all else fails scream foul? Is that your game?

It is easy to see why Pale Rider would worry you..

He has all the answers you shameless shills don’t want to see at this late stage of the game, when you feel enough distance has been made between your earlier humiliations.

Rest assured Rabbit will look into this and if you pair have pulled your silly little tricks again, I would predict an interesting outcome. This site has shown that while they take their code of conduct seriously, they are nontheless fair and prepared to take the trouble to establish the truth. That can only be anathema to such as you.

If there is some other reason, Rabbit apologises in advance, but I smell a Rat, and you two are prime candidates.

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Here is what Pale Rider tried to post apparently.
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Natalie and Roger Ramjet,

The web administrator banned me.  I have a separate e-mail and a separate life from the ghost rabbit.  Ghost rabbit has to post this thing for me because of this site.

To think he and I are the same is typical of your fear of a community of people who wish to counter your lies on DU.  Suffice it to say, go ahead and think we are one.  That’s how we think.

I’m not the rabbit and he is not me.  You see, Rabbit is a peaceful fellow living on the shore of a land down under, living near the water.

Rabbit doesn’t know this, but I do: Once the Inspector General representing the Air Force at the Pentagon gets wind of what you’re up to, prepare for an Article 32 hearing.  Prepare yourself to find a JAG lawyer through the AF who can represent you for conduct unbecoming, engaging in media work outside of the scope of your responsibilities, and for disseminating information against stated policy.  The thread of your lies will make wonderful reading in any setting where the UCMJ is practiced.  They won’t jail you, of course, no no no.  Not for lying, engaging in writing on blog comment threads, no no no.  Letter of reprimand, signed by the first General Officer in your rating or evaluation chain of command, filed away, promotions stopped, and that’s that, the end of the career without hope for advancement, hello, civilian world on retirement pay.

Natalie and Roger Ramjet, I’m so close to you it ought to send you into convulsions.  Come up I-95 a bit and we’ll drive, all of us, to a place called the Aberdeen Proving grounds.  We’ll gather up some DU.  Shall we, instead, travel over to FT Detrick, Maryland? We’ll meet at the little gas station by the gate.  We’ll use my car--it has a Military District of Washington sticker on it and I can get through the gate with my ID.  We’ll visit the range, where we can share some hands on experience with some DU shells. FT D has some wonderful places to find whatever and whathaveyou, all of it toxic.  Why not?  Why not test some of your theories against reality?

If those sites are too far, let’s go out to the weapon qualification and bivouac ranges on Fort AP Hill, named after some ornery cuss of a Civil War general.

By all means, let’s share the experience of DU and hand the shells around.  You can handle the shell, I’ll handle the shell.  We’ll give it a good sniff.  We’ll run our fingers along the edge of the DU artillery shell and feel the filaments and the crease in the casing.  We’ll take a long look at the shell, the stamped words on the base of the casing where the firing pin hit the center and fired the shell out on the range.

We’ll all have a wonderful time.  What?  Not safe to handle DU?  Ahh, don’t worry about it.  I’ll be at MOPP 4.  Bring your gear.

Why not?  You both have all these theories.  Let’s see if they hold water.

The Pale Rider--posted by ghostrabbit.

Actually Pale Rabbit, according to information YOU provided in your previous post, one would have to caress and stroke with their BARE hands a long....hard.....cylindrical DU penetrator for quite some time before she/he would come close to exceeding safe radiation levels.

“Contact with bare skin presents another external radiation exposure path. DU produces a dose rate of about 0.2 rem/hour, largely from beta radiation, when in contact with bare skin.[75] A person would exceed the current occupational dose limit for skin (50 rem in a year) only if unshielded DU (e.g., bare penetrators) directly contacted the skin for more than 250 hours in a year.[76] Some reports mistakenly have applied the total effective dose equivalent (whole body dose) criterion of 0.1 rem/year for members of the public to this exposure of the skin only, leading to the erroneous conclusion that contact with one exposed DU penetrator could subject a person to a dose of radiation thousands of times higher than the recommended limit. This conclusion is erroneous because contact with a DU penetrator exposes only a very small part of the body, namely the skin in direct contact with the DU. The radiation limit for the public assumes the exposure is to the entire body and that the partial body exposure carries a smaller risk than whole-body exposure. In addition, the risk from skin exposure is much less than the risk associated with exposure to more sensitive internal organs.”

http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/index.htm

Now if we were to simply wear some gloves, we could go at it with the penetrators for even longer than 250 hours.  Much, much longer.  Also, according to information YOU provided in your previous post, MOPP-4 gear is unnecessary and unwarranted for being around DU.

Wear it if you wish, but you’re gonna be mighty uncomfortable, and I suspect your experience will be greatly diminished.

Natalie for someone who considers their internet intelligence skills are worth money, you are remarkably dull.

Lets try Forums 101:

A check of Pale Riders Posts here and at WM especially where he is better known will tell you a couple of things right away.

Rabbit who also visits Washington Monthly a lot is very clearly a different personality from Pale Rider. It will also be apparent to the discerning that we live in completely different time zones and our posts which overlap sometimes are sometimes made with hours between and at others have been completely overlapping, simultaneous sister.

Now when people are either the same or working in concert, certain things give them away very easily. We can look at the pattern of posting between between Roger, Sacase, (others maybe) and certainly yourself and then the latest funny one Hare. The connections are apparent to any but the most mediocre minds. The posts are cross referencing each other, congratualing each other gratuitously, especially when you say great point to someone, do try and find a point which ahs not been soundly demolished by six very considered and reasonable posters in a row.  That is dumb anytime, sister, but when you are trying to maintain some distance or some independance from a cause it is like a RED FLAG.  The posts of such a “band” as we have proven you are, yes PROVEN so don’t even think about going there again, the posts of such a band are obvious as such when the timings and order of postings correlate in harmony with the others of that band. Yours did and do. This is just the basics sister but they are enough to prove you are what you are, even without all the admissions and evidence you have been so stupid as to provide. More importantly they are in this instance enough to prove Pale Rider and Rabbit are two VERY different people. Rabbit might add that Pale Rider and he could not be the same person unless I was posting 24 hours a day. Also we do not alaway agree on everything, but have both altered each others perceptions at times. Rabbit has actually Known Natalie longer, about twice as long.

Those numbers and forms which Pale Rider mentions are not known to Rabbit, who is living way down under Natalie’s feet, in Oz.
Pale Rider has a certain style and Rabbit suspects he may be or has been MI, that is a small Rabbit mention dear Nat, take it or leave it. Pale Rider has “crushed” some Military shills befre and he seems to have the goods. There is no way to describe exactly how awful it is to watch, but since Natalie has suffered at the hands of an Angry Rabbit so far, it may be worth taking The Rider on the Storm, seriously, especially if Natalie is a Captain as Rabbit once joked. Of course Natalie works for CTG, civvy street, so of course Natalie could not be. So long as Roger is retired it may not be able to worry him either, you have only the WAR CRIMES tribunals to look forward to then.

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Now hopefully Natalie by posting that last post you have given up the distracting pretence of open mindedness about DU and that you are someone who has no knowledg or experience about DU?

Rabbit shall find Pale Rider and will return with his message to you. He was seen at WM earlier today, and Rabbit got an E-mail from him earlier. He has told Rabbit other interesting things and a bit embarrassing things about such as Roger and it was this Rabbit was alluding to earlier, but will save them for later just as a kind of ‘surprise’ insult.

Please note gang of Shills that Rabbit has written a long e-mail to the staff of ITT and am requesting they take a good look at this thread and what you clowns are up to. This seems to be the right cause of action now that you appear for a second time to attempt to silence dissent with a combined false complaint against someone. This time you have not the least excuse for complaint and if you have done it using new names all the better, cause that will peg them to.

If this does not worry you lying mistakes of creation, you are not thinking about the fact that Rabbit was vindicated after your earlier accusations proved false. You actually gave yourself away, Natalie, by complaining on the Unnatural Disaster thread. Rabbit had left his footprints in several forums and made these much “dirtier” so that when they were not pulled and one in which Rabbit had said nothing amiss, except to mention the DU issue, was, and you had looked in to that issue at the same moment...............
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Not even hard my little amateur evil one.

Now Natalie in the mean time would you like to tackle the things Rabbit has said in his own posts, before. You and Roger have become the central issue here, and it is eminently on topic. You are formally requested to reply in detail to Rabbit’s actual statemnets to you.
Wriggle on the hook, lie some more or take off the stupid mask and act like an adult. Just stop ignoring the numeroues fluerescent Monkeys which Rabbit has released from you box.

They are bright and a bit hard to ignore any longer. Nat they are pulling at your hair and clothing sitting on your head and there are several Shiny monkeys sitting on Rogers shoulders over there he can hardly remain invisible with a few Bright Fluerescent monkeys sitting on his shoulders nad head.

Tell us about the Monkeys Natalie, while we wait for something better to turn up. Who are you and why is Shilling for the continued use of an internationally banned weapon of war. The use of which is considered to be a war crime in all but two countries who are currently using it in vast quantities.

You are not un-biased that is esatblished Natalie, but unless you can honestly state a reason your unnatural interest in the proliferation of a New Lie. It is not an old issue. There never was an issue, this is what we call Dirty bombs and the USA is afraid of a single one of them and considers anybody who would use a DIRTY BOMB against them to be beneath all human resepct or consideration.

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...Rabbit is wholly in agreement that anybody who would use a Dirty Bomb against anybody is beneath all human respect or consideration.
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There is no way to say what I feel for you Natalie, and Roger and any more of you gutless wonders.
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I curse you from the core of my soul, you are damned and I will offer my own soul in exchange if this judgement is found wanting. You are as Eadora said, the “Banality of Evil”.
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Your face Natalie, and Rabbit has looked upon it’s likeness, gives no indication of the putrescence which lies just beneath those eyes.
Such loathesome conduct as yours is most alarming and yet highly encouraging.

How good are you clowns reckoned to be? That is the question. Are you just learner shills? Maybe you are amongst the better shills, you have shown some sort of organisational skills but too amateurish. Have located a much better crew though they are scattered since the site blew up under the battle which was barely enjoined.
They have some smart ones, and they don’t take the same bait twice, they learn and have shown an alarming ability to transform from one defeat into a more effective force next time.

..Still if you are counted as anything then it is encouraging.............................^^........................

I received the following comment in response to an inquiry about Rabbit and his many disguises ..

I just read through those messages, and I wouldn’t waste my time--"Rabbit" seems to be psychotic!

Daniel Fahey also commented about DU and Traprock Peace Center’s involvement with anti-war movement, which Traprock is trumpeting about educating.

“DU has been an issue related to Iraq for a long time--I spoke at anti-sanctions events in the 90s, but at that time people were aware that much of Saddam’s claims were propaganda, so the anti-sanctions folks largely avoided the issue.  But the anti-war community has certainly picked it up, and made it into a monster that doesn’t exist.”

Daniel Fahey, A Gulf War vet, concerned about Gulf War Syndrome and exposure to DU munitions, did extensive research and found that DU is not the Monster that Traprock and Rabbit claim it to be.  As a result, he has had his character assassinated .. and he made the following comment about the way the anti-DU movement operates ..

He said their tactics were quite violent despite their claim to be for “peace” .. I asked violent in what ways and he replied

“Violent in that they viciously attack anyone who challenges their gospel.  Violent in that they conduct character assassinations, for example against you and I.  They claim to represent peace when in fact they are simply self-righteous imperialists, pushing their twisted notion of justice and truth”

I am sure that those of you who have joined this conversation to learn will realize that this is the modus operandi of Rabbit, his many guises and the others who follow his lead.

Limp wristed little colonel, you forget once again the WHOLE thread stands in testimony to you and to Rabbit. Rabbit has never indulged ion any hide and seek like you lyiong scum. You have been caught cheating and lying and its all here.

Rabbit was lied about after you and Natalie and had to return as Ghost Rabbit to undo the injustice and the history of tyhis is all here. Rabbit never pretended he was anybody but Rabbit on both times and ALL my posts stand in testimony to that.

You and Natalie are who Rabbit says you are, you have both admitted it earlier and IT IS ALL HERE.

Nobody could have offerred more than an opinion about Rabbit to you asshole, and nobody whos opinion is worth anything could fail to recognise that Rabbit is an unusually honest and perspicacious Rabbit. And Roger Helbig, the proven Shill, and obviously insane man in denial, have been shown to be such a complete lier and Fraud, and Roger, ALL THE PROOF IS HERE IN THIS THREAD and I challenge you to deny any of it.

Roger Your goose is cooked and IT IS ALL HERE , ..................in this thread, what would you like to deny, lier? What quotes shall Rabbit recall to prove that you have been proven to be a piece of lying Garbage who is well on his way to meeting with the rope?

What l;ies have you spouted colonel which stood up, expecially any presumptions you made about Rabbit. You are proven liers while Rabbit is proven to tell only the truth.

Come on you hopeless old loser, come and get some more belting about your pathetically addled head. You’ve had so many blows to the head you think night is day Roger and if you said it was Day, Rabbit would take a torch, you coul=d not be trusted to give the directions to the toilet anmd your bitch piece of relative Natalie Helbig is a Chip off the old block for sure.

What do you get paid Lying SHILL?

Roger your last little plea for people to ignore Rabbit is really a plea from your wizened up little heart that they don’t read the rest of the thread.

RABBIT SWEARS THAT ANYBODY WHO READS THE WHOLE THREAD UP TO THIS POINT WILL BE SO DISGUSTED WITH ROGER AND NATALIE LONG BEFORE NOW THAT YOU WILL SOON BE POSTING AGAINST THESE SCUM YOURSELF OR JOINING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SENDING RABBIT ENCOURAGEMENT.

Roger wants you to take him on trust from this point on, Rabbit says don’t trust him or Rabbit, go back and see for yourself.

BITE ME Colonel Roger Helbig and Natalie Helbig who are not related to each other and just met on this thread for the first time when Natalie wanted to know the truth about this DU stuff she had heard something about.

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BITE ME you lying ass, and any more waffling for space by you will be met with another enjoinder to people to read all about it. Back to page one and watch the SHILLS operate.
If Rabbit is found wanting say what you like. If you want to say anything except “Good onya” Roger, then careful of the natural urge people have to abuse these animals. Just tell them they are lying sacks. If they can they will complain in unison to get people banned, and they don’t need any reason than that someone has embarrassed them.

GO BACK TO THE START OF THE THREAD AND IT IS ALL REVEALED.

Get ready for Roger or Nat to come in with a false testimony any moment.

Byu the way, see the tag team action between Nat and Roger on the last? THat is what they always do when one orthe othjer gets pinned on something. The other takes over while the matter receds back up the thread.

They are counting on nobody reading it all to see them but as can be seen plenty have.
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Roll up, Roll up folks, what a show......

“Given the following statement in Boston Globe article about study of the foreign fighters in Iraq,

“Obaid said in an interview from London that his Saudi study found that ‘’the largest group is young kids who saw the images [of the war] on TV and are reading the stuff on the Internet. Or they see the name of a cousin on the list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a responsibility to go."”

What effect do you anti-DU activists think that you are creating?  I think you are helping to create suicide bombers.  Are you proud of yourselves?

Boston Globe
July 17, 2005
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Study Cites Seeds Of Terror In Iraq

War radicalized most, probes find

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON—New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an Israeli think tank—both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States—have found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself. “ wrote ramjet

Ok why should anyone trust what the Saudis and Isreal say? They are totally in cahoots with the NEOCON propaganda machine!Heck,Bush had the Bin ladens Flown out of the country within hours of 9/11 When air traffic was SHUT down for the rest of the country! Then the Globe writes “...backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States—have found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself.” BY THE *WAR* itself! stop the war if you want fewer “terrorists”.It was also recently shown that most of the “insurgents” ARE NOT foreigners! They are the Iraqis!

As far as Natilies comments on the pentagon strike, more realistic,true comments to come…
Clearly this is a deversionary post to direct out attentions to the other propaganda war they feel they are winning,(not likely).

Isn’t it strange how vigorously, these pro DU defend their pont of view?why? is it so hard to accept that people want to know MORE about it,not less?Why is the fox gaurding the chicken house?

Also, what happened to the comment made by the Moderator admitting he HAD rearanged the thread and deleted some of it,that was here a week or so ago?AND he apologised about it.Maybe because he knew Rabbit was/is right.

The warmongers,also know as “defense contractors"or profiteers,that run the pentagon,and own our government could care less about the returning soldiers.That would cut into thier profit margins,the whole point of war to begin with(profit).Well that,and to kill as many brown people as possible.If they can help the oil barrons(also themselves) so much the better!

“The thing I’m worried about with everybody chasing depleted uranium is that we’re missing the boat,” she insists.With so much attention on depleted uranium, other possible causes for the veterans’ illnesses go unexplored and the veterans aren’t helped.  wrote RAMJET.

Like they WOULD explore the “other possible causes.Again I say the leaders here DON’T CARE.

“If I thought that another country had deliberately spread a terrible poison on my country, I would give my life to fight that other country.” wrote ramjet

Would you give your life if the leaders of YOUR OWN country did the same? because they are,its called PROPAGANDA. If you want a clue to whats going on,find the speach Eisenhower gave as he was leaving office.But then again,why bother,you know exactly what PNAC is doing,your obviously one of their tools.

Natalie,Yeah right.We’ve seen you before,you don’t fool us.

ramjet writes"Read the Bob Evans’s articles .. learn the facts - he is a reporter, not an activist with an axe to grind.”

I think “reporter"is the key word here,nuff said

Judgeing from the length and depth of ramjets replies,it is clear it is his JOB to write such things.most people wouldn’t have the time to do so.Not to mention HE ADMITS who he is!Why would you trust someone so deeply invoved in the military complex,they of course are trying to cover their own asses and keep the sheeple asleep to reality!

mauk2 wrote
“And we’re naming an Attack Sub after this guy<sigh>” yep,and they named an OIL tanker after Condi, so what?

“The author of the article is a complete joke.  To ANYONE who has served in the military (something most of your liberals have not done) we know several of his claims are completely False.” wrote sacarse

The thing about the military,is the FRIST thing they do,is break you down and reprogram you,much like cults do. nuff said

“I bet many of you think that “Over There” is realistic depiction the war huh? “wrote sacarse
No,we know it is much worse,though our corperate owned media and President would never let us see it.look what happend when we DID get to see it,nightly during Viet Nam,the people rose up to demand an end to it.we can’t have that now can we?

Ramjet ect… wrote “A Chemical Agent is a gas, the first was ...”

why must it be a gas? chemicals come,and can be spread in many different forms.

Again the kernal(ramjet) wrote"Third, any time anyone tries to point out the many fallacies of the anti-DU crowd, they are derided, claimed to be shills, when in reality, the anti-DU crowd are the bullies with the shills like Rabbit Dung who does not have the guts to privately write me and provide me his name.”

Rabbit gave you his full name a page or two back Roger,why don’t you look him up?

this post and the previous one are in reverse order,My first post apparently didn’t get posted,so this is a repost of it KVK

Don’t ya just hate it Pale Rabbit when someone, in an apparent attempt to distract or diffuse, accuses you of being something or someone you aren’t?  Especially when they have no credible proof thereof and their logic for arriving at such accusations is well.....kooky?

Yeah, I hate it when that happens.

How about you, KVK?  Do YOU believe a missile hit the pentagon instead of a planeload of people?  Do you share this belief with the person cited as an authority in Lindorf’s article, and with another woman “scientist” at the top of the anti-DU speakers list?

Yes,I do believe a missle hit the pentagon.
A plane would of made a much larger entry hole and the soft nose of a huge jet wouldn’t of penetrated so deeply,the way it(what ever it was)did.it was flown as described by air traffic controllers as the way military planes fly.The person who supposedly flew it,couldn’t fly worth a damn ,according to his flying teacher in Florida.to name just a few points.but this is the wrong thread to discuss 9/11 I think. but for a few more points,check out this film http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm

Natalie, you are on the how seat you lowly lier.

All the proof of your lies and deciet is right here in the thread.

Anybody in doubt that you and Roger are directly related, despite your lying claims otherwise, has only to read this thread.

You have been caught in every shilling trick, not once but repeatedly.

Every body who doubt Natalie and Roger are Pentagon Shills can read the thread and see for themselves.

What would Natalie laike them to do?

Just take her word and Roger’s that there is nothing to see here folks, just a crazy Rabbit.

No No don’t read the thread, Natalie and Roger are so trustworthy, just take their word and don’t check. It is of course the Rabbit, who has so many false faces that he can post twenty four hous a day and even simultaneously.

RABBIT SAYS READ THE THREAD. Then come and give these dirty pigs their medicine.

Kaw Valley Kid, Rabbit suspects a smaller jet, probably military and remote, preceded by a missile, like with the WTC’s.

That however Nat the Rat is only an opinion, and we have said as much, does this somehow prove we are crazy?

No bitch it does not. It merely proves we are not going to take anything at face value, when it does not fit. The official story of 911 is a collapsing deck of cards as we speak Nat.

Furthermore there are indeed credible and growing reports that BARBAR OLSEN has indeed been located and arrested. The news is not yet confirmed but is getting stronger.

Do you realise what this would mean for the BIG LIE? Deny it all you wish, you slimy toad, the internet does not exist just in you imagination.

Just as it allowed Rabbit to identify you in about five minutes it will allow anybody to look into this story.

Does Natalie think Rabbit is KVK too?
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How is that Paranoia going sow?

KVK has noticed your famous diversionary tactics instantly, smart Kid reckons Rabbit.

He sounds like he has gotten a taste for your ass too so he may indeed be back to kick it some more. Stick around Nat, and give the Colonel a kick in