Radioactive Wounds of War

Ramjet Rabbit doesn’t even know Traprock Peace Centre. As has been covered adequately before now there is not two sides to an ongoing debate. The actual science may be being quantified as we speak, but the fact of the danger of this stuff has not been in doubt for sixty years Roger. the world opinion on it as a weapon of war is before you and is not discussble beyond admitting it is contained whithin the resolutions outlined above, among others.

Not for the first time Roger I shall repeat to you that all you ask of me has been answered and it is the most common thing people write to me about this thread. Roger keeps asking you to answer questions you already have.

Roger you are forgetting that Natalie is also Natalie Helbig and has admitted it as you admitted you are Roger Helbig.

You tell us you never knew her before and yet you own the same surname?

This is not as ludicrous as your shilling efforts but it ranks high brother.

You need to stop talking about spam, Rabbit is neither a spammer or supporteer of such.

Rabbit is merely part of an informal organisation of ‘suitably’ qualified individuals whose aim it is to counterbalance the extensive government “Internet Propaganda” which has become so prolific of late.

we are few in number and as diverse as human nature. We may lack the resources and numbers but we have two things you can never overcome, Lt Colonel Roger Helbig and all like you.

The truth and the light.  You have been outed Colonel and as such are somewhat of a historical case but rest assured that you have started something rolling which is the opposite of what you had in mind.

Rabbit is sorry Roger, but there is no more pretence and games. You have been outed, admitted, you have been caught out in the most fundamental lies, and would try and pass yourselves off as others to decieve. It is no longer fishing to call you a Shill, you are adn it’s proven. Since the whole thread stands and is archived also, the fact is inescapable.

Every time you try to push the lie again here, you are merely bashing more nails into what is your coffin, pure and simple.

The second most common point people make about you is that you are either incredibly silly for a colonel (someone has explained the milieu from which you sprang and it makes sense) or else so absolutely desperate to keep a lid on this somehow that you cannot let it be, even though all reason and logic has collapsed around you.

Roger nobody would bash their head against such a solid wall as you are doing by choice, this is the only reason Rabbit still thinks you are paid. Natalie’s heart was not in it at the end. Is she a daughter or the missus? Just wondering. But she is called Natalie Helbig, Roger so just cut the spin, it does not even hop, let alone fly.

Roger before you post again, please for pit’s sake, read all Rabbit’s posts to you, you are blundering about in the dark so much it’s sad to watch. Do it for the sake of the Airforce pride, you are bringing them down with such a feeble display.

Trying to be kind Roger, but only because it’s a mood. Rabbit cannot accept you are anything but malevolent, sadly. Detected a similar cold-heartedness in Nat, is it Genetic or influence wonders Rabbit.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 17, 2005 at 2:59 AM

What qualifications Roger? Can’t you guess, it is written all over, how do we see you so clearly? How do we unravel your games with such ease?

Don’t you guys have some pet psychics somewhere?

Rather an interesting tool combined with Internet, actually. How will you fight people who only shine a harmless light on you? Who preach only love and tolerance, and who can show everyone how to see through the masks you have spent so long in building.

It all comes down to illusion as your masters know, Roger even if you do not, and while an illusion of such magnitude as that they have spun can take lifetimes to assemble, it can collapse in an instant with the gentle gust of reason.

The best way to bring down this mess your lot have created was always to wait until you had achieved maximum instability, from the cosmic balance and then a few just give the whole thing a gentle push in the right direction at the right time.

With the DU issue it seems you have finally overreached and now as you reach for the impossible you will have to hang on until that tower hits ground.

Thankyou on behalf of all of us for sacrificing your credibility and pride and image, just so we could clearly see where the lever needed to be applied.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 17, 2005 at 3:12 AM

This rabbit jerk is a mindless idiot, speaking of over-reaching.  He is really way in over his head .. I suspect that he got as far as 6th grade science if he managed to get that far.

What I would like to know is LIST OWNER .. why did you allow Rabbit in any form once Rabbitvoz was kicked off for violating the terms of service.

Posted by Ramjet on Sep 17, 2005 at 3:40 AM

Simple Roger, Rabbit has been re-instated in all his posts, as you have been repeatedly told. Your complaints and those of Natalie, which were made simulataneously were shown to be false.

Rabbit never did violate any terms of service.

Plus you have been shown to be a liar, without any overeaching by anyone except yourself.

Do you now wish to alter history? Forgetting are we that you and Natalie have beed outed?
She admitted the name Roger, you did too through being so dumb. What do you hope to achieve by lying more.

No wonder you guys lose wars so badly, you never notice when you have lost.

What qualifications does it take to speak the truth Roger?

One thing that helps credibility is if one has no vested interests, like Rabbit and others who have helped skin you.

You are a PENTAGON Colonel as we know, directly connected to the military DU propaganda effort.

Yopu have any credibility after being shown to be using a team of people.

You still don’t hear Rabbit, we know Natalie is your family, her name is on the public record as is yours.

You would have been kicked off if your lies were not so important to show the truth about your lies.

Either you are the dumbest human ever to be promoted to colonel or you are being ordered back into this breach against all judgement.

You have nothing you never had anything and now you don’t even have any honour.

They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for officers in your Military. Maybe you are safest for them out of the way playing internet agent?

Would anyone let this nut-job near live ammunition?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 17, 2005 at 5:13 AM

Still think the funniest thing you do is keep on speculating about things Rabbit has long since answered for you. You neeed not guess anything about Rabbit, unlike you he has answered all your questions. You have never answered Rabbit’s except by accident as Rabbit has required you too. You even took the thousands of times bait which Rabbit dropped way back when to compare how you reacted when presented with a fact you know to be false.

You fell. That time you were short to the point and never waffled or repeated yourself or linked to anything.

It was way back then that Rabbit knew how to tell when you were knowingly lying.

You stupid little pissant military man, telling me I am out of my depth.

Foolish little boy.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 17, 2005 at 5:17 AM

Nobody wants to play anymore do they?

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Who just told you Rabbit is wiping the floor with you, not long since Roger? Natalie was it?
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Not concentrating so not sure, but let it be a warning Roger about who is out of their depth.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 17, 2005 at 7:26 AM

David postulated that the use of Du ammunition is a war crime because of UN resolutions which even in the event the UN was disbanded, (Yes we expect anything of you scum), the resolutions will stand as a testimony to your having knowingly committed crimes aginst humanity.

No other detail is required to destroy your case.

You won’t believe this Roger but Rabbit has kept one last nasty surprise for you, and all you have to do is ask for it. Please do, just do, for Rabbit has an oath of charity which will be voided by your next post.

Come on Roger Helbig, you obviously won’t give up until you are worm turds. So come and get it, why should you be the only one to go down out of the scum who have pushed you to this, let’s take the whole DU crew down with you, do they fancy their chances against a Rabbit?
Why not. The most powerful Army in the world and all. One Rabbit says Up Yours!

What can one Rabbit do against the greatest WAR CRIMINALS OF HISTORY? Come along big brave mass murderers, it’s one thing to kill people who don’t see it coming, face the Rabbit, he can see your filthy mishapen souls. He does not fear your lies for lies die in the light of truth.

Roger Ramjet and His Eagles
Fighting all our freedoms
Rather poison one and all
With not an ounce of reason.

Roger Ramjet he’s our man
Killing is in season
Use this DU bomb my son
and its OK to breathe in.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 17, 2005 at 7:52 AM

Posted by Natalie on Sep 21, 2005 at 12:53 AM

This Natalie post does not sound like Natalie ..

The entire thing is baloney ...Rokke and Moret at their best, spinning to attract the 9/11 Truth Movement conspiracy theorists.

Moret .. the only thing on Moret’s resume that checks out is that she was once President of the Association of Women Geoscientists.  She also worked in some capacity, not as a staff scientist at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.  She also dropped out of the UC Davis Geology doctoral program.  The Radiation and Public Health Project had this to say about her claim to be a “staff member”

RPHP has written six books, not ten.

Leuren is not a member of our board of directors, and is not a research associate, which constitutes the guts of RPHP.  She, like many others, has presented information that we have compiled—which anyone can do, since all of our info. is public (except for Sr90 levels in individual baby teeth).  Joe Mangano

Rokke, well, he is a piece of work .. each day, I get new information about his claims versus his actual accomplishments .. He does appear to be a member of the retired reserve, probably in the grade of Major .. reservists, however do not say that they are retired from the Army .. only active duty members of a service consider themselves to be retirees of the service itself.  A reserve retirement is not quite the same .. you qualify for it after completing at least 20 good years .. a good year has 50 points, where points are earned at one for each day of active duty or for each 4 hour UTA period, points can also be earned for completing correspondence courses.  That is a long way from completing 20 years in the actual Army. Rokke never served in the Pentagon and the Army does not consider him to have ever been their “DU expert”.

If anything this Greg Syzmanski piece should clearly establish that Rokke and Moret have no regard for truth or scientific inquiry whatsoever and just play to whatever audience they can find.

Posted by Ramjet on Sep 21, 2005 at 1:32 AM

Natalie, darling, so good to see you, out of the coffin for a while are we, drink some blood before we go for another little nap?

The Penatgon story is very interesting actually, now why would you want to go off on a tangent?

If there is nothing shonky going on at the Pentagon “supposed plane crash” then why did the FBI confiscate all video footage and why all the contradictory evidence which has arisen ? This is not the thread my dear so don’t waste you time. If you think you can put dirt on anybody by trying to raise the fact that they support another questioning of some very questionable “theories” then you are barking up the wrong tree, woof woof.

You see sweety the government 9/11 lies are coming undone quicker than any morals you ever possessed, or don’t you follow the news?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 21, 2005 at 4:51 AM

Now you pair of confirmed and proven SHILLS what nonsense are you trying to spin here now? Can you Turkeys not comprehend that we know who you are, who you work for and have even got the earlier posts here to prove it?

Perhaps people of your limited intellect Colonel could believe that your combined dance above would somehow give credibility where there is none, but you are simply not dealing with such puny, insecure people as you are used to working amongst. The Natalie post is your Natalie giving you a leg up from which to post another rambling attempt at confusing what is not an issue even being debated outside your fevered imagination.

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So far Roger Helbig, and Natalie Helbig you have failed to get one single other person to take you seriously, that does not include the Seargent, of course who found it a bit too hot when he realised we were on to you. So why do you waste your time? Rabbit is happy to keep coming back here to rub your grubby little noses in your own dirt as often as you wish. The thing is you are already sunk out of sight, and yet you are still ready to try and debase yourselves even more.

Now Roger, Rabbit has long since realised that you are a complete piece of garbage, with no ability, no genuine pride and no sense of self worth.

But Natalie, you have at least retained that shred of dignity from at least being graceful in defeat, don’t dissapoint Rabbit who looks forward to a much more amenable relationship when one day we meet again? Where else does CTG have you shilling at the moment?

Roger you don’t have a shred of dignity and you are the most disgusting piece of muck ever to have lodged itself between Rabbit’s toes.

If you really wish to continue sparring with Rabbit he has gone to the trouble of registering with a few of your favorite forums, a bit of military History anyone? Would you like Rabbit to join you in your self stroking military love in? Rabbit could come and detail the stories of some of his friends who from experience swear that Australia lost more troops to the US trigger happy cowboys in Vietnam than we ever lost to the Vietnamese. There is no shortage of very unpleasant topics Rabbit could find to make your self petting life into a hell onm earth, and the fact is that there are probably a few more folk who would like to have a go at you, you would not believe how many people have been drwn to this thread, but nobody who ever looks up your name, or the issues discussed in this thread will fail to find you in all your naked lies.

Try Googling your name, and see how far away this thread is. Remember too that every time you pop back to spew lies, the search parameters are increased and the strength of the match for your name among other things, is improved.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 21, 2005 at 5:46 AM

Rabbit saw this thread refferred to on a completely different site in Washington, it was described as essential reading for anyone studying the Iraq scenario or Depleted Uranium weapons abuse and propaganda in particular.

If you had enough imagination you would realise that not only have you lost this battle, you weener, you are busily burning your own ride out of the place.

Now I did promise you some further humiliation but am tired now so shall post it tomorrow. It’s all about you asshole though I promise.

Rabbit is glad though that you have decided to ensure you will be held accountable as a propagandist for War Crimes, you certainly deserve the rope and when your time comes Rabbit will be sure to smile contentedly.

Lt Colonel is a Propagandist for the use of the Banned weapon of Mass destruction, Depleted Uranium, Anybody examining this thread in future cannot fail to notice that since ROGER HELBIG is identified and is communicating with me since the posting of the actual data refferring to the crimes, he cannot fail but be held accountable and I urge all authorities to take note of this fact and ensure this Criminal is held accountable for his role in what will come to be seen as the worst crime against humanity ever perpetrated.

Natalie Helbig has also demonstrated support for the crime though she has subtly sought to minimalise her role since realising the seriousness of the likely consequences.

Nobody is exempt from prosecution for crimes against humanity, orders are not an excuse.

Roger if Rokke was to dissapear tomorrow you would still not be one step closer to changing the facts, it is touching the way you think that he is all you have to overcome to alter the world opinion. Touching but incredibly stupid.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 21, 2005 at 5:47 AM

So Rabbit,

Do YOU believe a missile hit the pentagon instead of a plane?  That’s a simple enough question…Yes or no?

Posted by Natalie on Sep 21, 2005 at 9:13 AM

Not here it is not. Name a better forum.

Pale One…...............^^........................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 22, 2005 at 2:30 AM

Now that’s gotta be the shortest post on record by the Rabbit from Oz. 

It’s extremely illuminating to learn that the two “scientists” so often cited as “experts” on the horrors of depleted uranium believe or would even suspect that a missile hit the pentagon instead of that planeload of people, none of whom we’ve heard from since.

It’s also quite interesting to learn of Moret’s bitter partisan feelings:

Posted by Natalie on Sep 22, 2005 at 9:47 AM

Natalie.

Rabbit gave a short reply because that is all that was needed.

This thread is about Depleted Uranium Ammunition, it’s effects and the morality of it’s continued use. You have been part of a concerted campaign by a small group of people who have been proven to be linked to each other and to the military attempt to disinform the public about DU and it’s effects. The stuff has been discussed in light of a huge range of scientific opinion as well as the historical experience of sixty years, the combined opinions of a broad range of “independant” people and in view of the actual United Nations resolutions banning it’s use.

You and Roger tried to hide your identities, which were relevant to your position. You have lied and been caught lying.

You have made transparent attempts to sidetrack the issues at every available and some manufactured instances.  You have made false accusations which have not stood the test of scrutiny by independant people. Like many of the decietful things you have done, this too backfired and lost you even more ground.

Natalie, you know that Rabbit is a Male Rabbit, whether or not you care. You have no reason to think Rabbit uses aliases, Rabbit identified himself the first time he was asked to, and as such is the only person who has done so. Neither you nor Roger volunteered your names. Roger swallowed his foot the first time to give us his. You made your name a subject of importance by forcing Rabbit to prove he was neither paranoid or deluded, all things you have unsuccessfully accused Rabbit of at one time or another.  By forcing Rabbit to prove you were indeed connected to Roger, you are the one who made it an issue.

The result so far Natalie is something like this.

Rabbit has told the truth, and has proven all contentions made by him. Rabbit has been proven to be honest, reasonable and not too dumb. Rabbit has been shown to possess excellent intuitive skills and a sound debating skill.

Natalie, you have been proven to be, deliberate deciever, connected to a known Depleted Uranium disinformation campaign, unreasonable and a dirty fighter, how dare you complaign about Rabbit’s gentle words on the Unnattural disaster thread!  You have scrfiiced all credibility and honour to arrive at this point and now you would dare to raise your head again and try and play morally superior!

If you actually wish to debate, these, unrelated issues rabbit will be glad to do so, but not at risk of further smoke and mirrors being added to a thread which is thoroughly and completely anathema to your cause.

You have only got a small group of special interest scientists to support any part of your false claims. Rokke and Moret are welocme to believe whatever thjey choose so long as their data is correct about this issues and it is.  They are not the whole basis of the case you are up against they are just the people from within the military’s own ranks who are talking the truth.

You must stop presuming things Natalie, if you take Rabbit’s refusal to be led into stupid stunts as some sort of encouragement then you are no more than a glutton for punishment.

Since the Pentagon business is a matter of opinion and since it does not have any realistic bearing on this thread, if you have any class whatever you will show it by naming an appropriate forum.

At least that way you can start out on an even footing. Here you no longer have any credibility, and it is becoming hard to imagine you have any self respect either Natalie.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 12:04 AM

You cannot be serious about this being a relevant forum to discuss what is a fairly obscure and not widely accepted theory about what went on at the Pentagon.  The thing which is certain is that the official story is a lie, and by the way Barbara Olsen looks like she has just turned up alive, so you were right about nobody turning up alive, only until yesterday.  You see that is the thing with lies Natalie, they eventually can only fall. Only truth is here here to stay and even it must suffer constant assault by such as you.

You already know about Rabbit’s and all reasonable people’s beliefs about Depleted Uranium, stop pretending anybody has any doubt about it.  It is a well established fact that the Penatgon is trying to spin DU but it is the most ambitious propaganda campaign ever attempted and has so far netted, NOT ONE believer.

You have lost here Natalie, stop rolling in all the gore on the floor, it is yours and Rogers and it is most unseemly.

Rabbit detects a mind worth meeting, but cannot do so while holding you in contempt. If you want something so important as Rabbit’s opinion on something new, then let us at least begin by showing we do not have an agenda, like perhpas messing up a thread which doesn’t say what you wanted it to say.

I mean it Nat, stop being pathetic, you look like someone who should have strength of character, not mere stubborness.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 12:04 AM

Filtering through my shame-on-me scolding, I think I’ve ascertained thus:

You, Rabbit, apparently really do believe I am related or married to Roger, or possibly am him.

You believe I’m someone other than an ordinary average citizen that has some kind of outside direction to defend the use of DU for the military and don’t have the brains and common sense to recognize a ginned up propaganda campaign when I see it.

You have summarily dismissed mountains of studies by dozens of agencies and institutions all concluding basically the same thing….DU is not as harmless as Jello, but is far from being the demonic substance portrayed by you and others.

You think that because people and countries that hate or are jealous of America think that using DU is a war crime, it automatically is!

You are not sure, but you suspect that a missile was intentionally fired into the pentagon; I would guess to justify action in Iraq and secure the oil fields there for Haliburton.

You think the fact that the two most identified anti-DU “authorities” are apparently conspiracy kooks is somehow not relevant to this debate.

You think that Barbara Olson is alive.

You think you have prevailed in this debate and I should bow down in shame and proclaim myself unworthy to occupy the same comment board as the wise and all seeing Rabbit, based largely on the simple fact that Rabbit says so, energetically, and in third person for extra effect, apparently.

Basically accurate?  I think so.

As for your accuracy, I’m afraid your final score is not too good. 

Because I AM an ordinary citizen that has no connection whatsoever to Roger or ANYONE having ANYTHING to do with DU.  (other than emailing Roger late in the game to thank him for his service and conduct small talk)

Because a plane flown by terrorists actually DID crash into the Pentagon.

Because Barbara Olson IS unfortunatly quite dead and always will be.

Because Rokke’s and Moret’s succumbing to an entirely politically motivated kook conspiracy theory that ALSO happens to lay shame on the U.S. government and it’s military is INCREDIBLY relevant to this particular debate on this particular website.

On these points, be assured that you are absolutely 100 percent WRONG.  As for the remaining far more complicated ones, I prefer to leave it to history to judge who is indeed “pathetic”, and who is rolling in what on the floor, instead of simply taking your word for it.

Because although I generally adore bunny rabbits, I think I have sufficient reason not to place total trust in this particular one’s judgement.

Posted by Natalie on Sep 23, 2005 at 3:04 AM

Oh for god’s sake girl, are you going to say it is a co-incidence that You and Roger are HELBIG’s?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 5:00 AM

Rabbit did not say that Barbara Olsen is alive but that there is some news to that effect, have not as yet checked it self, but have been expecting it so won’t be surprised.

Does Natalie know that seven of the “alleged” hijackers of planes are alive and well and never were even in the USA at at the time?

Still officially on the list though.

If the whole thing was not such a bloody big cover up by everyone concerned then there would not be so many questions. If you wish to deny there is a mountain of evidence which “THOROUGHLY” discredits the official story of nearly everything that happened on 9/11 Rabbit shall know you are lying again for the evidence is legion and if you desire Rabbit shall bury you in enough to smash the official story ten times over and you know it can be done, or else you are so busy with “official Duties” that you don’t ever do any independent research.. 

Rabbit does not know what hit the Pentagon, but doubts it was the plane specified for several reasons, not the thread for it.  That was a very specific part of the Pentagon hit and it was damaged in a specific way, and Rabbit might mention at this point that he is something of an expert with explosives, their chemistry and use as it happens.

There are many questions about what happened and as the Government and Pentagon are actively blocking all attempts at finding the truth it will be a little longer yet before certain facts make it impossible for the lies to stand even the breathe of air of the feeble sheeple’s gaze.

There is no way that a discussion of such unknowable, (or do you know something we don’t Nat?) things can benefit such a specific issue when all your purpose is to try and bring some sort of discredit on people who’s credibility is not in doubt. Even more importantly and it is why Rabbit shall avoid your petty tricks, the credibility of the people you would question is not central to anything which has been said in this thread. As half of the only dissenting voice on the issue, you have placed you credibility at the centre stage, and Natalie, Rabbit does not have to tell you again, you got none, sweet lips.

Poisonous eyes though.

You must have Blood…........ kill…....., drown them in Poisonous gases and radioactive rain and dust.

Mutilate their babies and their futures.

OOOH you are a Horrible breed!  It is the Rabbit’s duty to face these beasts, will no one stand by his side? Must he battle them alone. She with her eyes like daggers and her words like tentacles of death, twisted and slimy and sucky.

He who must soon awaken from his death like slumber. He hears her entreaties even now, and stirs, the Master of Death…......mwa ha ha…................................ His eyes and sould are dead, yet like the undead, his zombie like words and apparent lack of sentience bely the real threat of his intent not at all. He will rise, he will rise.

Sje is arisen and what will be her new avenue of attack. How will she attempt a breach of the citadel of truth?

When all else fails, try the same thing agina nd see if something different happens.
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Is that the plan Natalie?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 5:52 AM

I thought I’d come back and nose around a bit.

Yes,the function of DU is to kill tanks and not pollute the countryside.Still,that’s what we’re doing with our good ol’ DU.Oh,and neutron bombs were designed to stop major Soviet armor advances into Western Europe.However,once used,the terrain is pretty much useless.At least with that weapon you can point to a map and tell people not to go there.Not so with dozens of pieces of itty bitty chunks of DU.

The problem is that the Pentagon places weapons in its arsenal without fully examining the dynamics of that weapon.Trying to solve the problem with a short-term solution is no real solution.

Oh,and while we’re defending strewing the countryside with radioactive material,why not ‘fess up and tell us what corporation wer’e a shill for.show me a Pentagon spokesman endorseing an utterly brutal weapon of limited use,and I’ll show you a person trying to line themselves with a civilian career upon retirement.

“We’re DuPont.Making third world residents into flambe’ is our specialty.Better living,and killing,through chemistry.”

And then thirty years later someone finds the unexpended ordinance and reminds the rest of the village why they should still hate us.

The comment about the radioactive landmines should run a chill through your blood,my furry little posting friend.I’m a rural schoolteacher with a modicum of familiarity of ordinance and it took me about five seconds to imagine DU landmines and ten seconds more to imagine possible applications in war,such as remote denial of territory to armored advances.

After all,why fly a whole bunch of noisy,smelly A-10’s all around the sky trying to hit those pesky tanks that,honestly,just won’t sit still when you can simply fly one B-52 over the area and drop several thousand softball size,or maybe even smaller,mines into the area like “gravel” mines?So what if it doesn’t blow the tank to kingdom come right then?All it has to do is blow off a tread and render it useless.Then the A-10 pilot can hit it more easily.See?It is a good idea!Better yet,in the spirit of cost efficiency,instead of wasting all that fuel and bullets,we just send troops in to manually destroy the tanks and let them become familiar,albeit not immediately,with what DU does to DNA.

Later,if anyone questions just whether or not DU landmines are potent or durable,we can ask the local villagers.

“Twenty years ago,my friends and I were playing near where Americans would kill tanks.A mine went off and killed two of my friends.still another died of sickness Even though he was only nearby.Last week,my son was playing in the same area and was blown in half by another still active mine.”

What a product testimonial.

Posted by wwoods on Sep 23, 2005 at 6:06 AM

Hi wwoods can you see the beasts have been watching and have arisen yet again?

Tell Rabbit it is not extraordinary tenacity?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 6:18 AM

Here’s a nice set of pictures.  See if you can refute these lies.

http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/files/nuclear/fahey_jun_14_03.pdf

Posted by Pale Rider on Sep 23, 2005 at 7:58 AM

Maybe the lies you tell to refute earlier lies can be construed as fear.

How about a little more scholarly research to show you how foolish it is to try to trivialize the risks of DU?

http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/files/nuclear/fetter_jun_14_03.pdf

Oh, and perhaps this has been cited as well:

http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/index.htm#tabl

Funny how non-scientists like myself can come up with these things.  Google seems to be the chink in the armor of the apologists.  Perhaps Natalie ought to recuse herself from further discussion—it’s hard to argue once someone has beaten their pithy arguments into the ground.

No, better yet—Natalie: continue posting.  Your lies help me google the truth better.

Posted by Pale Rider on Sep 23, 2005 at 8:02 AM

How would you like to help with the recovery of DU, Natalie?

Here, see if this sounds like it is up your alley.

If you were following the links listed above, you would have found this little ditty from the US military which shows that DU is perfectly harmless.

Go ahead, Natalie, go to MOPP-4 and get to work!

If DU is safe, why does the military recommend going to Mission Oriented Protection Posture 4, the highest possible level, to handle DU?

Soldiers go to MOPP-4 when directly attacked by chemical weapons such as blister agents, nerve gas and radiological devices.

But that’s okay, Natalie.  Go read some lies and some truth and tell us you think DU is perfectly safe.

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Much of the existing guidance and training satisfied neither requirement. For example, the DU Hazard Awareness Training Support Package-Tier I (for the general soldier audience), fielded in 1997, directed personnel to run a RADIAC meter over casualties to detect any DU contamination before providing treatment. The training video in this package implied that DU radiation is sufficiently dangerous to warrant delaying life-saving medical attention, when this is most emphatically not the case. Similarly, the recommendation to don the MOPP-4 ensemble (chemical protective mask, overgarments, rubber “booties,” and gloves) when responding to DU incidents or accidents was excessive. In hot climates like Southwest Asia, wearing MOPP-4 gear can rapidly degrade situational awareness and personal performance and increase the risk of dehydration and heat injury. On the battlefield, these conditions paradoxically could increase the risk of death or serious injury, a risk unwarranted by the relatively insignificant hazard DU poses.

Consequently, the working group suggested the services should shift their emphasis to:

clearly and accurately characterizing DU

Posted by Pale Rider on Sep 23, 2005 at 8:09 AM

Well how about that Nat, Rabbit thought he had you all to himself here in the dark, and you thought so too, with just the stranger with the stranger name watching quietly behind the curtain. He will rise, He will Rise,...............  Roger arise and return…........ fresh blood awaits you.

Rabbit will even give his “Opinion” about the pentagon if you wish, but you must come and ask nicely.

He will rise,......................^^..........................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 8:43 AM

They are finally reading the whole thread, What is the bet?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 23, 2005 at 10:18 PM

Rabbit dung continues to slander .. he says I tried to hide my identity .. I signed my posts Roger, which led him to me .. even though he thinks he rates up there with the great sleuths of all time like Sherlock Holmes (of course Sherlock was a fictional character, so perhaps Rabbit dung is likewise) .. I have posted my real e-mail address in a spam proof format .. I challenge Rabbit dung and all of his fellow hangers on to do likewise .. this forum limits post sizes and is not amenable to the sending of attachments.  I deeply resent Rabbit dung’s assertions that I am a liar .. or that there is some sort of connection between Natalie (who also uses her real first name in posting, more than I can say for Rabbit dung, of course unlike Rabbit dung, we have not been booted from this forum under any name like Rabbitvoz was because he refused to play by the rules on at least two of the threads) .. I have never met met Natalie or even corresponded with Natalie prior to Rabbit dung’s slandering both of us in this forum.  We just have similar knowledge of radioactive substances; enough to know that DU is not a nuclear weapon, is not a form of silent genocide and that while not benign, it has caused no birth defects and that Sergeant Matthews (who seems to ignore this forum) is likely being used by the anti-DU witchhunters.
romeohotelecholimabravoindiagolf@charliealphalimaspelledoutinfulldotcom ..

Posted by Ramjet on Sep 24, 2005 at 3:28 AM

From another article on Rokke by Greg Szymanski—whose ArcticBeacon website does not hesitate to bring you all the conspiracy scams in the interest of your sending him a PayPal donation to keep him in the style to which he would like to be accustomed

“Army Major Doug Rokke has been shot at, run off the road, threatened, harassed, black-balled, intimidated, called a liar and treated like a “hated enemy” not by opposition forces in Iraq, but by ‘secret ops’ in the U.S. government, obviously acting on orders from top military brass.

And in May 2000 he was subjected to the biggest scare of his life when bullets rang through his son’s bedroom window while living in Jacksonville, Alabama, in what he calls “another near miss” by government hit men bound and determined to remove his presence from the planet.

Maj. Rokke, living in Rantoul, Illinois, and still active in the Army Reserves, has been a government target ever since going public in a May 1997 article in the Nation Magazine, criticizing the military for failing to clean-up depleted uranium used in Iraq during the first Gulf War. “

PS .. if one is retired, they are no longer active .. active reservists are NOT retired.  He can’t be both.  Of course, Doug Rokke is not really an Army major if he is a reservist either .. The rank of Major in the active Army is much more difficult to obtain than the rank of Major in the Army Reserve.  Rokke wants to confuse you on that, just like he claims to have been the target of multiple hit attempts.  He also claims to be dying from exposure to DU.

Leuren Moret claims to be a “whistleblower” .. to have blown the whistle while an employee of the University of California at either Lawrence Livermore or Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories.  Given Moret’s in your face attitude, one would not have expected her not to file an appeal of any negative action taken against her for whistleblowing.  The Department of Energy Office of Hearings and Appeals would have received any such appeal.  They have no record of an appeal by Leuren Moret.  That certainly makes it much less likely that she is a “whistleblower”.

I also find it odd that a “newsmaker” like Rokke would not merit an article or two in a local paper in the Rantoul area.  I wonder why; perhaps, the journalists there did not accept what he told them at face value and actually checked his references and the facts.

Posted by Ramjet on Sep 24, 2005 at 4:07 AM

Being from Australia, Rabbit should be able to identify with the proceedings from this “Kangaroo Court”.  Early in the Roo-court’s declarations, we are suddenly aware that we have arrived in central downtown Kookville:

Judgement In The People Vs George Walker Bush
Tuesday, 16 March 2004, 10:21 am
Press Release: International Criminal Tribunal For Afghanistan

6. 11th September 2001 attacks in the United States had no connection with Afghanistan.

The prosecution has questioned the factual and legal basis of this defense , submitting at page 17 of its Indictment that -

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Posted by Natalie on Sep 24, 2005 at 12:38 PM

Rabbit, your “Pale Rider” alias is all too transparent.  Your tactic of adopting a polar-opposite measured, understandable debating technique does not hide your identity.  It’s just the trick I would use.  I know from experience, you see!!  If readers will page up a few posts, they will see a reference posted by Rabbit that will make clear the association:

“Pale One…...............^^........................”

Nice try, Pale Rabbit.  You forgot you left this little nugget of evidence, didn’t you?  You’re not the only sleuth on this board!!  But shame on me—as I have previously stated, the name, identity or number of personalities is unimportant.  I will address the substance of your posts assuming you are actually two separate people, even though I KNOW you are one.  My evidence and logic is unassailable.  ........NN….....

Nuclear Natalie

Posted by Natalie on Sep 24, 2005 at 1:26 PM

I don’t know if you are simply careless, Pale Rider, or if you are stealthily on my side.  Pasting directly from your above post, caps emphasis added:

“Much of the existing guidance and training satisfied neither requirement. For example, the DU Hazard Awareness Training Support Package-Tier I (for the general soldier audience), fielded in 1997, directed personnel to run a radiac meter over casualties to detect any DU contamination before providing treatment. The training video in this package IMPLIED that DU radiation is sufficiently dangerous to warrant delaying life-saving medical attention, WHEN THIS IS MOST EMPHATICALLY NOT THE CASE. Similarly, the recommendation to don the MOPP-4 ensemble (chemical protective mask, overgarments, rubber

Posted by Natalie on Sep 24, 2005 at 1:32 PM

It is interesting to read through the postings in response to Lindorf’s article.  Why anyone wastes time replying to “Rabbit” is beyond me—it’s clearly a person whose only power and purpose lies in attacking others on the Internet, and the very nature of his postings demonstrate more about his own feelings of inadequacy than they do about depleted uranium.  From other things I’ve read about depleted uranium, it seems that is an issue that attracts misfits and losers and attention-seekers.  Why isn’t it getting more attention in society, politics, and the media?  Maybe it is because the people speaking out about it lack credibility.  Rabbit, you’ve lost this race, and should remain in your hole.

Posted by Hare on Sep 24, 2005 at 1:37 PM

You are one stupid desperate little lady Natalie.

There is a reference to pale one as you so predictably pointed out? Now do you actually think Rabbit would be so dumb as to say something like Pale One to you and then come here as Pale Rider?

Of course that sort of stupidity would be par for the course for our proven little shills like the Helbigs.  There is a connection though between Pale Rider and that comment and though it is of no consequence, Rabbit shall mention it to show what a tosser you are.

Pale Rider is someone who Rabbit has had some contact at another site. He has mentioned this thread to Rabbit when he saw Rabbit over at the site concerned. He has an interest in the DU issue as do many people by the way, and actually has been one to keep Rabbit informed that you had popped up again over here, even before he posted here.

Initially Rabbit was not sure that Pale Rider was not your self, because he had a different handle when first we met. THis seemed possible because his comments about DU once as Pale Rider had been cryptic. The comment to you as Pale one was as it happens a fishing trip by Rabbit to check that possibility. You never even nibbled so Rabbit guessed it wasn’t you.

You must get all thoughts out ofr your weeny head of outsmarting Rabbit, you are just seeming more and more poathetic with each new hystericqal claim.

Now shall we get down to business.

Roger Helbig, you are as usual a lying pig.

You only used your name Roger because you are too unimaginative to come up with anything else except your lifelong hero of Ramjet. You have always sung the little song to yourself when the other nasty airforce officers put you down, didn’t you?

You wre tricked, quite by accident by us into revealing your own identity. Somebody mentioned the name of Roger Helbig and that he was a known Pentagon DU Disinfo agent. Rabbit speculated out loud and you did your usual “jump then don’t look anyway” and gave up your name, for which you have been gnashing your teeth ever since.

You and Natalie then tried to pretend you did not know each other even when the possibility was raised. You both lied about this relationship then and despite having both given it away you are reverting to former lies as you always do.

It is furthermore very obvious that you are both working together to hog the last posts of each page as this thread goes on and on.

This is a classic Shilling trick and it is excellent that you have provided the troops with the demo of just how underhanded and sleazy as well as dishonest the US government is when it is spreading lies.

Now Hare is so obviously a construct at this point that you pair and your department is the most weird looneys ever seen.

Hare is not even worth a reply. If Hare had reqad anything it would know there is nothing here but the remains of two thoroughly discredited official Liers.

Is Natalie and Roger not liers then.

Did the whole world just appear fresh and new at the start of you last post Roger and Natalie.

Since you have trouble doing more than trying to insult a superior soul and avoid at all cost facing any truth Rabbit shall stick to repeating some of the things which make you liers and losers.

It was nice to see Pale Rider join us and perhaps wwoods will be back, these people have and will put your mangy “recycled lies” into the biox. Rabbiot shall point out what filth you both are, again.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 8:20 AM

Innadeqacy quaint Hare, is feeling a need to post under several different handles to make it look like you have supporters, no what I mean.

Innadequacy is being called accurately on all your own personality disorders by someone who you just don’t seem to be able to score a point against because you are everything you try and call others.

You wish Rabbit was insecure, you wish Rabbit was crazy and you wish Rabbit was half as stupid as yourself, because then you would not feel so inadequate yourself. In this you are wrong, you would be just as innadequate with or without Rabbit’s help.

Just one posting to judge it from but guess is it is Roger, the same “pompous” whining tone, it’s hard to hide Roger.

Maybe wrong , there is a first time for everything.

It could be the Sargent, but he was more considered, less “suffering”.

DU SHILLS
You are dealing in war crimes, you are lying about the ill effects, you are ignoring the whole Ceramics Oxide danger which is the worst, you fiddle around with the radiation issue because you know it’s safer ground.

Nobody independant has supported your case. You claim there is an Anti-DU movement. There is, it is called the civilized world. Something from ewhich you are exclued by choice.

The reason that there is not much about this in the media yet is because many people are crusing along with no idea that scumbags like you are trying to create doubt where there is none.  Very few people have put two and two together yet and realised exactly what this sexy sounding new stuff, depleted uranium is.

All we have to do is bring the issue into the open as we are doing with your invaluable help, Shills. From here the people realise what you are doing in their name and they will be coming with the rope, I promise.

Back to the war crime issue again now guys.

You Lt Colonel Roger Helbig and Natalie Helbig are hereby formally charged by Me, Rabbit as a citizen of the world. You are propagandising for the use of a banned weapon of mass destruction. You are committing the crime with full knowledge of the resolutions which together with other legal treaties will be used to try you in an international court one fine day.

You are a pair of “Known” employees of agencies which have direct connections to the Pentagon efforts to misinform the public and keep the truth hidden from US citizens and servicemen.

You can chuck all the hollow taunts you like my way. Rabbit is in no doubt who has lost this whole battle. You have lost the debate in every sense. You have never established a single fact which changes the horrible nature of what is being done with Nuclear Waste.

You ahve never said anything about yourselves which did not turn out to be a lie. You have prevaricated and waffled and repeated and smoked and mirrored your way to a point of having absolutely abandoned all pretence of trying to find truth , rather you have been the nemesis of truth from the outset.

As usual you are so stupid you both dance for Rabbit exactly as he plays the tune. You cannot leave this thread, you hope to always get in the last shilling effort at the end of the page. You’ve had eight goes at it and nearly everyone you ahve suddenly made tha same long posting with all the disproven lies repeated as if they had never been said before.

If Rabbit was to stop now and others also, you pair would definately fill up the rest of this page with your lies again, because you seem to think people will only read backwards on the thread or something.

Depleted Uranium has ceased to be the central issue on this thread it has long since become a study of the Disinformation Campaign and you shills for Death in particular.

You are inhuman. You are damned. You are Traitors to your nation and to the human race.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 8:47 AM

Natalie is this the sort of stunt that CTG sells the government?

Is this what is called “information strategies”

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http://www.ctg.albany.edu/about/about?sub=people&section=natalie
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“The Center for Technology in Government works with government to develop information strategies that foster innovation and enhance the quality and coordination of public services.

We carry out this mission through applied research and partnership projects that address the policy, management, and technology dimensions of information use in the public sector.

The results generated by each project add to a growing knowledge base designed to support the work of both government professionals and academic researchers. Our guides, reports, and tools are freely available on our Publications page.”

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 8:55 AM

Remember these words Natalie?

“Don

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 9:23 AM

Go and start using Depleted Uranium Weapons your selves if you love the stuff so much..
Rabbit prays that if either of you ever breed the children are affected by Radiation poisoning. I sincerely pray that your womb is radiactoive dear Natalie, it would be fitting and so just. You are trying to condemn thousands of other women to the same fate and you are an abomination. Get back into the pit you pair of most foul beasts, begone from the sight of God, get beneath the earth. Nor will the earth hide you though you beg it to swallow you up.  It’s trees will give you no shade and its waters shall taste bitter to you. Yeh like unto blood which is the thing you you make rivers of. Rivers of blood and poisoning the world, poisoning her children and her childrens children. You lie to do it and you sell your souls for what? Fotr the right to be counted amongst the worst War mongering Whores of all human History.

No this is not overly dramatic, no hyperbole is possible. Rabbit has long been lost for words which could adequately express my loathing for you.

I promise that I shall follow you past this life and I will catch up with you grubs on the other side. Rabbit will be crossing over with eyes open this time, you will know what that means upon your re-awakening. At that time I command you to remember Rabbit and that he will be along immediately as is always the case in the timeless place. Then we shall see about things, little devils. What will you do when the time for lies is past? Face the truth and Rabbit will be there to serve it up to you in mighty doses. For now you are playing in a harmless garden, the test will be eternity. You guys are going to find eternity a bit different to Rabbit when the time comes.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 9:48 AM

Now what have you creeps been up to now, Pale Rider has just sent Rabbit an E-mail. Having just read all his posts, which Rabbit had barely done before, it is impossible to see why Pale Rider would have been banned. Yet he is.

Have you two sneaky trolls been up to your previous tricks of making false allegations against people? When all else fails scream foul? Is that your game?

It is easy to see why Pale Rider would worry you..

He has all the answers you shameless shills don’t want to see at this late stage of the game, when you feel enough distance has been made between your earlier humiliations.

Rest assured Rabbit will look into this and if you pair have pulled your silly little tricks again, I would predict an interesting outcome. This site has shown that while they take their code of conduct seriously, they are nontheless fair and prepared to take the trouble to establish the truth. That can only be anathema to such as you.

If there is some other reason, Rabbit apologises in advance, but I smell a Rat, and you two are prime candidates.

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Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 6:32 PM

Here is what Pale Rider tried to post apparently.
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Natalie and Roger Ramjet,

The web administrator banned me.  I have a separate e-mail and a separate life from the ghost rabbit.  Ghost rabbit has to post this thing for me because of this site.

To think he and I are the same is typical of your fear of a community of people who wish to counter your lies on DU.  Suffice it to say, go ahead and think we are one.  That’s how we think.

I’m not the rabbit and he is not me.  You see, Rabbit is a peaceful fellow living on the shore of a land down under, living near the water.

Rabbit doesn’t know this, but I do: Once the Inspector General representing the Air Force at the Pentagon gets wind of what you’re up to, prepare for an Article 32 hearing.  Prepare yourself to find a JAG lawyer through the AF who can represent you for conduct unbecoming, engaging in media work outside of the scope of your responsibilities, and for disseminating information against stated policy.  The thread of your lies will make wonderful reading in any setting where the UCMJ is practiced.  They won’t jail you, of course, no no no.  Not for lying, engaging in writing on blog comment threads, no no no.  Letter of reprimand, signed by the first General Officer in your rating or evaluation chain of command, filed away, promotions stopped, and that’s that, the end of the career without hope for advancement, hello, civilian world on retirement pay.

Natalie and Roger Ramjet, I’m so close to you it ought to send you into convulsions.  Come up I-95 a bit and we’ll drive, all of us, to a place called the Aberdeen Proving grounds.  We’ll gather up some DU.  Shall we, instead, travel over to FT Detrick, Maryland? We’ll meet at the little gas station by the gate.  We’ll use my car—it has a Military District of Washington sticker on it and I can get through the gate with my ID.  We’ll visit the range, where we can share some hands on experience with some DU shells. FT D has some wonderful places to find whatever and whathaveyou, all of it toxic.  Why not?  Why not test some of your theories against reality?

If those sites are too far, let’s go out to the weapon qualification and bivouac ranges on Fort AP Hill, named after some ornery cuss of a Civil War general.

By all means, let’s share the experience of DU and hand the shells around.  You can handle the shell, I’ll handle the shell.  We’ll give it a good sniff.  We’ll run our fingers along the edge of the DU artillery shell and feel the filaments and the crease in the casing.  We’ll take a long look at the shell, the stamped words on the base of the casing where the firing pin hit the center and fired the shell out on the range.

We’ll all have a wonderful time.  What?  Not safe to handle DU?  Ahh, don’t worry about it.  I’ll be at MOPP 4.  Bring your gear.

Why not?  You both have all these theories.  Let’s see if they hold water.

The Pale Rider—posted by ghostrabbit.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 25, 2005 at 6:34 PM

Actually Pale Rabbit, according to information YOU provided in your previous post, one would have to caress and stroke with their BARE hands a long….hard…..cylindrical DU penetrator for quite some time before she/he would come close to exceeding safe radiation levels.

“Contact with bare skin presents another external radiation exposure path. DU produces a dose rate of about 0.2 rem/hour, largely from beta radiation, when in contact with bare skin.[75] A person would exceed the current occupational dose limit for skin (50 rem in a year) only if unshielded DU (e.g., bare penetrators) directly contacted the skin for more than 250 hours in a year.[76] Some reports mistakenly have applied the total effective dose equivalent (whole body dose) criterion of 0.1 rem/year for members of the public to this exposure of the skin only, leading to the erroneous conclusion that contact with one exposed DU penetrator could subject a person to a dose of radiation thousands of times higher than the recommended limit. This conclusion is erroneous because contact with a DU penetrator exposes only a very small part of the body, namely the skin in direct contact with the DU. The radiation limit for the public assumes the exposure is to the entire body and that the partial body exposure carries a smaller risk than whole-body exposure. In addition, the risk from skin exposure is much less than the risk associated with exposure to more sensitive internal organs.”

http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/index.htm

Now if we were to simply wear some gloves, we could go at it with the penetrators for even longer than 250 hours.  Much, much longer.  Also, according to information YOU provided in your previous post, MOPP-4 gear is unnecessary and unwarranted for being around DU.

Wear it if you wish, but you’re gonna be mighty uncomfortable, and I suspect your experience will be greatly diminished.

Posted by Natalie on Sep 26, 2005 at 9:35 AM

Natalie for someone who considers their internet intelligence skills are worth money, you are remarkably dull.

Lets try Forums 101:

A check of Pale Riders Posts here and at WM especially where he is better known will tell you a couple of things right away.

Rabbit who also visits Washington Monthly a lot is very clearly a different personality from Pale Rider. It will also be apparent to the discerning that we live in completely different time zones and our posts which overlap sometimes are sometimes made with hours between and at others have been completely overlapping, simultaneous sister.

Now when people are either the same or working in concert, certain things give them away very easily. We can look at the pattern of posting between between Roger, Sacase, (others maybe) and certainly yourself and then the latest funny one Hare. The connections are apparent to any but the most mediocre minds. The posts are cross referencing each other, congratualing each other gratuitously, especially when you say great point to someone, do try and find a point which ahs not been soundly demolished by six very considered and reasonable posters in a row.  That is dumb anytime, sister, but when you are trying to maintain some distance or some independance from a cause it is like a RED FLAG.  The posts of such a “band” as we have proven you are, yes PROVEN so don’t even think about going there again, the posts of such a band are obvious as such when the timings and order of postings correlate in harmony with the others of that band. Yours did and do. This is just the basics sister but they are enough to prove you are what you are, even without all the admissions and evidence you have been so stupid as to provide. More importantly they are in this instance enough to prove Pale Rider and Rabbit are two VERY different people. Rabbit might add that Pale Rider and he could not be the same person unless I was posting 24 hours a day. Also we do not alaway agree on everything, but have both altered each others perceptions at times. Rabbit has actually Known Natalie longer, about twice as long.

Those numbers and forms which Pale Rider mentions are not known to Rabbit, who is living way down under Natalie’s feet, in Oz.
Pale Rider has a certain style and Rabbit suspects he may be or has been MI, that is a small Rabbit mention dear Nat, take it or leave it. Pale Rider has “crushed” some Military shills befre and he seems to have the goods. There is no way to describe exactly how awful it is to watch, but since Natalie has suffered at the hands of an Angry Rabbit so far, it may be worth taking The Rider on the Storm, seriously, especially if Natalie is a Captain as Rabbit once joked. Of course Natalie works for CTG, civvy street, so of course Natalie could not be. So long as Roger is retired it may not be able to worry him either, you have only the WAR CRIMES tribunals to look forward to then.

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Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 1:10 AM

Now hopefully Natalie by posting that last post you have given up the distracting pretence of open mindedness about DU and that you are someone who has no knowledg or experience about DU?

Rabbit shall find Pale Rider and will return with his message to you. He was seen at WM earlier today, and Rabbit got an E-mail from him earlier. He has told Rabbit other interesting things and a bit embarrassing things about such as Roger and it was this Rabbit was alluding to earlier, but will save them for later just as a kind of ‘surprise’ insult.

Please note gang of Shills that Rabbit has written a long e-mail to the staff of ITT and am requesting they take a good look at this thread and what you clowns are up to. This seems to be the right cause of action now that you appear for a second time to attempt to silence dissent with a combined false complaint against someone. This time you have not the least excuse for complaint and if you have done it using new names all the better, cause that will peg them to.

If this does not worry you lying mistakes of creation, you are not thinking about the fact that Rabbit was vindicated after your earlier accusations proved false. You actually gave yourself away, Natalie, by complaining on the Unnatural Disaster thread. Rabbit had left his footprints in several forums and made these much “dirtier” so that when they were not pulled and one in which Rabbit had said nothing amiss, except to mention the DU issue, was, and you had looked in to that issue at the same moment…............
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Not even hard my little amateur evil one.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 1:11 AM

Now Natalie in the mean time would you like to tackle the things Rabbit has said in his own posts, before. You and Roger have become the central issue here, and it is eminently on topic. You are formally requested to reply in detail to Rabbit’s actual statemnets to you.
Wriggle on the hook, lie some more or take off the stupid mask and act like an adult. Just stop ignoring the numeroues fluerescent Monkeys which Rabbit has released from you box.

They are bright and a bit hard to ignore any longer. Nat they are pulling at your hair and clothing sitting on your head and there are several Shiny monkeys sitting on Rogers shoulders over there he can hardly remain invisible with a few Bright Fluerescent monkeys sitting on his shoulders nad head.

Tell us about the Monkeys Natalie, while we wait for something better to turn up. Who are you and why is Shilling for the continued use of an internationally banned weapon of war. The use of which is considered to be a war crime in all but two countries who are currently using it in vast quantities.

You are not un-biased that is esatblished Natalie, but unless you can honestly state a reason your unnatural interest in the proliferation of a New Lie. It is not an old issue. There never was an issue, this is what we call Dirty bombs and the USA is afraid of a single one of them and considers anybody who would use a DIRTY BOMB against them to be beneath all human resepct or consideration.

...

...Rabbit is wholly in agreement that anybody who would use a Dirty Bomb against anybody is beneath all human respect or consideration.
./.

There is no way to say what I feel for you Natalie, and Roger and any more of you gutless wonders.
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I curse you from the core of my soul, you are damned and I will offer my own soul in exchange if this judgement is found wanting. You are as Eadora said, the “Banality of Evil”.
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Your face Natalie, and Rabbit has looked upon it’s likeness, gives no indication of the putrescence which lies just beneath those eyes.
Such loathesome conduct as yours is most alarming and yet highly encouraging.

How good are you clowns reckoned to be? That is the question. Are you just learner shills? Maybe you are amongst the better shills, you have shown some sort of organisational skills but too amateurish. Have located a much better crew though they are scattered since the site blew up under the battle which was barely enjoined.
They have some smart ones, and they don’t take the same bait twice, they learn and have shown an alarming ability to transform from one defeat into a more effective force next time.

..Still if you are counted as anything then it is encouraging…..........................^^........................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 1:34 AM

I received the following comment in response to an inquiry about Rabbit and his many disguises ..

I just read through those messages, and I wouldn’t waste my time—“Rabbit” seems to be psychotic!

Daniel Fahey also commented about DU and Traprock Peace Center’s involvement with anti-war movement, which Traprock is trumpeting about educating.

“DU has been an issue related to Iraq for a long time—I spoke at anti-sanctions events in the 90s, but at that time people were aware that much of Saddam’s claims were propaganda, so the anti-sanctions folks largely avoided the issue.  But the anti-war community has certainly picked it up, and made it into a monster that doesn’t exist.”

Daniel Fahey, A Gulf War vet, concerned about Gulf War Syndrome and exposure to DU munitions, did extensive research and found that DU is not the Monster that Traprock and Rabbit claim it to be.  As a result, he has had his character assassinated .. and he made the following comment about the way the anti-DU movement operates ..

He said their tactics were quite violent despite their claim to be for “peace” .. I asked violent in what ways and he replied

“Violent in that they viciously attack anyone who challenges their gospel.  Violent in that they conduct character assassinations, for example against you and I.  They claim to represent peace when in fact they are simply self-righteous imperialists, pushing their twisted notion of justice and truth”

I am sure that those of you who have joined this conversation to learn will realize that this is the modus operandi of Rabbit, his many guises and the others who follow his lead.

Posted by Ramjet on Sep 27, 2005 at 1:59 AM

Limp wristed little colonel, you forget once again the WHOLE thread stands in testimony to you and to Rabbit. Rabbit has never indulged ion any hide and seek like you lyiong scum. You have been caught cheating and lying and its all here.

Rabbit was lied about after you and Natalie and had to return as Ghost Rabbit to undo the injustice and the history of tyhis is all here. Rabbit never pretended he was anybody but Rabbit on both times and ALL my posts stand in testimony to that.

You and Natalie are who Rabbit says you are, you have both admitted it earlier and IT IS ALL HERE.

Nobody could have offerred more than an opinion about Rabbit to you asshole, and nobody whos opinion is worth anything could fail to recognise that Rabbit is an unusually honest and perspicacious Rabbit. And Roger Helbig, the proven Shill, and obviously insane man in denial, have been shown to be such a complete lier and Fraud, and Roger, ALL THE PROOF IS HERE IN THIS THREAD and I challenge you to deny any of it.

Roger Your goose is cooked and IT IS ALL HERE , ..................in this thread, what would you like to deny, lier? What quotes shall Rabbit recall to prove that you have been proven to be a piece of lying Garbage who is well on his way to meeting with the rope?

What l;ies have you spouted colonel which stood up, expecially any presumptions you made about Rabbit. You are proven liers while Rabbit is proven to tell only the truth.

Come on you hopeless old loser, come and get some more belting about your pathetically addled head. You’ve had so many blows to the head you think night is day Roger and if you said it was Day, Rabbit would take a torch, you coul=d not be trusted to give the directions to the toilet anmd your bitch piece of relative Natalie Helbig is a Chip off the old block for sure.

What do you get paid Lying SHILL?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 5:01 AM

Roger your last little plea for people to ignore Rabbit is really a plea from your wizened up little heart that they don’t read the rest of the thread.

RABBIT SWEARS THAT ANYBODY WHO READS THE WHOLE THREAD UP TO THIS POINT WILL BE SO DISGUSTED WITH ROGER AND NATALIE LONG BEFORE NOW THAT YOU WILL SOON BE POSTING AGAINST THESE SCUM YOURSELF OR JOINING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SENDING RABBIT ENCOURAGEMENT.

Roger wants you to take him on trust from this point on, Rabbit says don’t trust him or Rabbit, go back and see for yourself.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 5:13 AM

BITE ME Colonel Roger Helbig and Natalie Helbig who are not related to each other and just met on this thread for the first time when Natalie wanted to know the truth about this DU stuff she had heard something about.

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BITE ME you lying ass, and any more waffling for space by you will be met with another enjoinder to people to read all about it. Back to page one and watch the SHILLS operate.
If Rabbit is found wanting say what you like. If you want to say anything except “Good onya” Roger, then careful of the natural urge people have to abuse these animals. Just tell them they are lying sacks. If they can they will complain in unison to get people banned, and they don’t need any reason than that someone has embarrassed them.

GO BACK TO THE START OF THE THREAD AND IT IS ALL REVEALED.

Get ready for Roger or Nat to come in with a false testimony any moment.

Byu the way, see the tag team action between Nat and Roger on the last? THat is what they always do when one orthe othjer gets pinned on something. The other takes over while the matter receds back up the thread.

They are counting on nobody reading it all to see them but as can be seen plenty have.
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Roll up, Roll up folks, what a show…...

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 5:22 AM

“Given the following statement in Boston Globe article about study of the foreign fighters in Iraq,

Posted by Kaw Valley Kid on Sep 27, 2005 at 9:23 AM

The warmongers,also know as “defense contractors"or profiteers,that run the pentagon,and own our government could care less about the returning soldiers.That would cut into thier profit margins,the whole point of war to begin with(profit).Well that,and to kill as many brown people as possible.If they can help the oil barrons(also themselves) so much the better!

“The thing I

Posted by Kaw Valley Kid on Sep 27, 2005 at 9:26 AM

Don’t ya just hate it Pale Rabbit when someone, in an apparent attempt to distract or diffuse,  accuses you of being something or someone you aren’t?  Especially when they have no credible proof thereof and their logic for arriving at such accusations is well…..kooky?

Yeah, I hate it when that happens.

How about you, KVK?  Do YOU believe a missile hit the pentagon instead of a planeload of people?  Do you share this belief with the person cited as an authority in Lindorf’s article, and with another woman “scientist” at the top of the anti-DU speakers list?

Posted by Natalie on Sep 27, 2005 at 10:16 AM

Yes,I do believe a missle hit the pentagon.
A plane would of made a much larger entry hole and the soft nose of a huge jet wouldn’t of penetrated so deeply,the way it(what ever it was)did.it was flown as described by air traffic controllers as the way military planes fly.The person who supposedly flew it,couldn’t fly worth a damn ,according to his flying teacher in Florida.to name just a few points.but this is the wrong thread to discuss 9/11 I think. but for a few more points,check out this film http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm

Posted by Kaw Valley Kid on Sep 27, 2005 at 12:06 PM

Natalie, you are on the how seat you lowly lier.

All the proof of your lies and deciet is right here in the thread.

Anybody in doubt that you and Roger are directly related, despite your lying claims otherwise, has only to read this thread.

You have been caught in every shilling trick, not once but repeatedly.

Every body who doubt Natalie and Roger are Pentagon Shills can read the thread and see for themselves.

What would Natalie laike them to do?

Just take her word and Roger’s that there is nothing to see here folks, just a crazy Rabbit.

No No don’t read the thread, Natalie and Roger are so trustworthy, just take their word and don’t check. It is of course the Rabbit, who has so many false faces that he can post twenty four hous a day and even simultaneously.

RABBIT SAYS READ THE THREAD. Then come and give these dirty pigs their medicine.

Kaw Valley Kid, Rabbit suspects a smaller jet, probably military and remote, preceded by a missile, like with the WTC’s.

That however Nat the Rat is only an opinion, and we have said as much, does this somehow prove we are crazy?

No bitch it does not. It merely proves we are not going to take anything at face value, when it does not fit. The official story of 911 is a collapsing deck of cards as we speak Nat.

Furthermore there are indeed credible and growing reports that BARBAR OLSEN has indeed been located and arrested. The news is not yet confirmed but is getting stronger.

Do you realise what this would mean for the BIG LIE? Deny it all you wish, you slimy toad, the internet does not exist just in you imagination.

Just as it allowed Rabbit to identify you in about five minutes it will allow anybody to look into this story.

Does Natalie think Rabbit is KVK too?
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How is that Paranoia going sow?

KVK has noticed your famous diversionary tactics instantly, smart Kid reckons Rabbit.

He sounds like he has gotten a taste for your ass too so he may indeed be back to kick it some more. Stick around Nat, and give the Colonel a kick in his puny nuts for Rabbit.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 6:21 PM

Hee Hee,Yes they are a slimey lot,Rabbit,and I know it if frustrating work outing these obvious Shills,but the name calling will only reduce your crediblity.Let them be undone by thier own stupidity,as they or him,have already done.It is our job to point this out to the good people who believe what the corperate owned <everything> feed them.Don’t lower yourself to the level of this scum.Silly Rabbit,Tricks are for Kids!and the shills of the Corperate America.(sorry,I couldn’t resist!) Hee Hee

Posted by Kaw Valley Kid on Sep 27, 2005 at 8:22 PM

Rabbit has been remarkably pleasant to these trolls KVK, a reading of the thread will show some very sweet people have met them and become savagely abusive before long. The only way these people have been able to cope probably was to move away for a bit and count ten, as the pattern of postings will show.

It has been a struggle and Rabbit has certainly taken abuse to the edge of acceptable on any public forum. It has been done after examing the whole site with a view to not stepping over the boundaries.

Rabbit would never have been banned if these trolls had not worked together to lie, but as you.ve seen the lie backfired and Rabbit is exonerated.

Rabbit has freely admitted that some has been borderline, but sailing so close to the edge has not been an accident, Rabbit has indulged his anger and that of others to a point. It can itself serve as some satisfaction to the many fine and decent people who have been and seen and who still seek out this thread for a glimpse of their Tax dollars in motion. Pentagon style.

They are the most loathesome of trolls.

Rabbit is not one to drop the ball for the sake of the man. In this case the Trolls are actually spokesmen for the Murdering faction of the Pentagon, this is as good as proven above.

This makes for an interesting reversal of the usual rules of forum debate. The posters Natalie and Roger and any more of ‘Their’ aliases or buddies, have exhausted every bit of science and pseudo science in a patently failed effort to paint DEPLETED URANIUM, sexy.
They have used masses of band width to repeat proven lies and to use incredinle tactics of dissemination and smoke and mirrors style propaganda. They have nothing new to add, as you can see they will happily begin any and all discussions away from the central topic if it avoids the hard stuff they have never even acknowledged ahs been put to them.

Of more direct relevance at this point is them, they are the only fly in the ointment of truth. Let us examine the Flies says Rabbit.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 8:56 PM

What are you NOT Natalie?
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Are you not Natalie Helbig now?
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Are you not a Depleted Uranium Shill?
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Are you not here with an agenda?, after a month of “no progress” ?
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Are you not a bloodthirsty Vampire ?
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What are you not?
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 27, 2005 at 9:46 PM

So much anger, so little science.  So much written with so few facts.

In the aftermath of the use of ammunition containing Depleted Uranium (DU) during the Gulf War in 1991 and in the Balkans in the nineties, a controversy emerged in the public opinion on the alleged effects of DU on man’s health and on the environment.  Official reports, mainly of military origin, are strongly questioned in the public opinion, being often interpreted as a justification or part of a cover-up.  This controversy reached its peak towards the end of the year 2000, when DU was held responsible for the incidence of leukemia in soldiers of the Italian peace-keeping force.  Having in mind how difficult it is to get scientific facts across to the general public and how strong a distrust there is against official statements, particularly when radioactivity is involved, this report summarizes the present state of knowledge about the effects of DU on man and environment. It bases on a comprehensive re-examination and critical review of the scientific literature, in particular the medical literature and reflects the authors’ collective experience and expertise….......

- Epidemiological studies on persons exposed to DU in Iraq and the Balkans:

Verifiable epidemiological studies on groups of persons potentially exposed to DU exist up to now only for groups of US and GB soldiers from the Gulf War as well as for groups of SFOR- and KFOR-troops and members of civilian humanitarian organisations from the Balkans.  Among a relatively small group of soldiers who evidently had been exposed to DU during the Gulf War, no health problems attributable to DU could be found. Among the British Gulf War veterans, neither the overall death rate nor the occurrence of specific causes of death, such as cancer, are significantly different from those of a reference population. No association between the health problems of many Gulf War veterans (Gulf War Syndrom) and a suspected DU exposition could be found.  In the case of German KFOR soldiers in Kosovo potentially exposed to DU, it could be demonstrated that no significant intake had occurred.  Preliminary results of a medical expertise show that the incidence of leukemia among the Italian KFOR troops is not significantly higher than the incidence in a reference population.  Thus it can be concluded that up to now there is no scientific evidence for health damages among army personal or the civilian population as a consequence of the use of DU-ammunition in the Gulf War and the war in the Balkans.  Controversial Information and reports about dramatic health effects of DU among soldiers of the Iraqi and Yugoslavian army as well as among the civilian population in the areas concerned do not withstand a peer-review.  Therefore they were not considered any further.   

http://www.europarl.eu.int/stoa/publi/pdf/stoa100_en.pdf

P.S.  What’s the latest word on Barbara Olson?  I bet there’s a book deal there somewhere.  What a story she’ll have to tell.  Whatta you wanna bet Foxnews has exclusive interview rights?

http://www.piratenews.org/

Posted by Natalie on Sep 28, 2005 at 9:21 AM

You incur the anger of all decent people Nat have you not noticed it.
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IF and it is still IF Barbara Olsen is still alive, you don’t think there might be a wee problem coming up for all the BUllshit?
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What about the Janitor and 27 witnesses to Previous Bombs in WTC on the 911?  Not more problems there Nat?
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Does the fact that 7 at least of the list of 911 Hijackers were never in the USA at the time and are alive and well, make any ripples even in your stagnant pool of a mind Nat? or have you not been prgrammed with these “FACTS”
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You are the issue here Nat and all details about DU are behind us on this thread, you can play dress-ups and pretenders all you wish, you are adding nothing new, just repeating stuff you long since lost. You so pathetic.

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Don’t kid yourself that Rabbit is especially worked up about you, it is enjoyable watching you sqirm and this thread is becoming an awesome tool for getting the issue of Depleted Uranium into the public arena.
....Your presence is so valuable to the case at this point that Rabbit has formally requested some time ago, that no matter what yours and Roger’s postings be left intact.
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Even if you were to try and get banned, by using the obscenities which you are mouthing silently, it won’t work if Rabbit can do anything about it.  So keep on lying from the depths of your humiliation and exposure.

There was a couple of questions and they are very relevant Nat, what is the problem you have when answering simple questions?
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Do you not realise that everyone can see you ignoring very simple straightforward questions?.Not answering them makes you look even more suspicious if that were possible.
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What are you NOT Natalie?
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Are you not Natalie Helbig now?
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Are you not a Depleted Uranium Shill?
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Are you not here with an agenda?, after a month of

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 28, 2005 at 6:22 PM

By the way, seriously.
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You once said that you liked Bunnies Natalie.
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Speaking as a friend and ally of all life and as a Rabbit especially, I must tell you that the thought of a sweet Bunny in your arms is a most terrible one and something that does not give Rabbit any peace of mind…..........
...........................Nothing else you have said has been true so far so it is a fair bet any denials of this will not convince anyone either. You could not hold any gentle, helpless life in your arms without breaking it’s neck or biting off it’s head to suck the blood….................>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 28, 2005 at 6:29 PM

A small point about your quite poorly supported claims, about soldiers of Gulf War not showing signs of DU poisoning.

Excuse Rabbit for pointing out that about 250,000 US service personnel are fully disabled with symptoms which would be said to be DU poisoning if it were not for the desperate attempts by your employers to pretend it isn’t.

Now the Oz government is still not officially admitting OUR disabled vets with “GULF WAR SYNDROME” have DU poisoning, they did immediately stop using DU the moment the reports started coming out saying it is.
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This thread began with an article showing someone who has DU poisoning and showing Birth defects, kind of makes your squarking about “theories” a bit irrellevant.
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Do you have an alternative to explain the DU poisoning like symptoms of many veterans?
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Perhaps you would like to claim those veterans are lying or slacking? If so Natalie remember your Name is on record and those vets are alot closer to you than Rabbit. If Rabbit is hereby risking the lives of US servicemen, at least they have to swim over and get Rabbit.
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More likely you will ignore a hard one like usual and resort to Waffle or you may just say you have no idea what it is but it could not possibly be DU poisoning…..
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Is this what you would like to say Nasty Nat?
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Then maybe you might like to tell us why those soldiers should not be properly tested as is by the way now being legislated for in several states.
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Come Nat, screw all the theories let us look at real life…..

>..But first try those simple questions, lets see how you go with the easy stuff, Name Rank and serial number in essence.
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Do I need Pale Rider to dig up all three for me, Rabbit thinks he has the resources.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 28, 2005 at 6:47 PM

Or of course pass the baton to Rambo, so he can ignore the Hard one on your behalf.

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Been there done that…....................^^....................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 28, 2005 at 8:34 PM

If we have reached one of those impasses again, where truth has become an obstacle too wide, then they will keep quietly in the darkness, waiting to pounce on anyone who drops by the thread and like any SANE and RATIONAL being says Depleted Uranium is an inhuman and immoral way to wage war..
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...They will be back, just not to Rabbit before enough distance has come between their last massacre and the new stage they percieve for their combined Shilling Act.
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 29, 2005 at 11:01 PM

You know, Rabbit, I was thinking about asking you about that issue of the WTC being brought down by explosives.  Thanks for taking the initiative and offering up your thoughts on your own.  Very, very instructive and illuminating.

I believe I’ve addressed most of your questions multiple times.  In response to your self-created fantasy about me being a Helbig, I’ve repeatedly tried, seriously and humorously, to get you to stop making a fool of yourself by pursuing it.  Actually, I’m quite flattered that you would entertain the possibility that the gal from CTG is moi; she seems to be quite accomplished.  Even graduated from college and stuff.  All that guilt about not finishing, and I can fool people this easily.  I’m energized now.  Of course you’re observant enough to know that this particular Helbig (of which there are ~26,000 in the U.S.) is a New York kind of gal and Roger seems to be a California kind of guy.  After gazing upon her somewhat attractive image and observing her impressive resume, does common sense or even a little bird tell you the two would live that far apart?

Am I a DU shill?  Are you a anti-DU shill?  Your answer is the same as mine.  Even if I was, why should that affect YOUR ability to defend your position?  Why do you waste so much time wondering who someone is instead of simply providing solid proof that DU is so harmful.  Where are all the peer-reviewed studies that say so?  James Salsman says we should trust studies from Iraqi scientists under the control of Saddam Hussein.  Do you concur? 

Do I have an agenda?  Yes.  Because Linforff, Rokke, you and others have necessitated it.  My recently acquired “agenda” is simply to defend the good name of the U.S. and the U.S. military against phony charges by leftist pseudo-scientists with a warped view of American motivations.

Did I falsely portray myself as being open-minded on the subject when I actually wasn’t?  Perhaps.  Perhaps I used that as a tool to encourage others to have an open mind.  Guilty as charged.  However, that doesn’t change the fact that I had scarcely heard of DU before reading the article by LIndorff, did my own independent research and politely posted my opinion about the matter.  More research combined with observing the emotion-based arguments (except Salsman) on the other side reinforced my initial conclusions.  When I noticed that several of the links posted by the anti-DU people (yourself included) actually contained powerful evidence contrary to the poster’s stated beliefs, I was alerted to the sloppiness and unreliability of such people.

When I discovered that apparently (and if somehow they have been misquoted I apologize and take it all back) Doug Rokke and Lauren Moret believe in kooky conspiracy theories, assertions that these two commonly quoted “authorities”  have misrepresented or exaggerated their qualifications for judging the degree of danger posed by DU rang even truer.

I believe I have made a good deal of progress.  Your inability to respond rationally without resorting to inventing inane conspiracy theories about other people’s identities and motivations is one good indication.  Roger and I have provided links to dozens of peer-reviewed studies by numerous organizations that all contradict the wild claims of the article.  (You, Salsman and KVK provided some as well….thanks!)  Rokke’s and Moret’s credibility has been properly challenged,  by presenting evidence of disingenuousness regarding their qualifications and the accuracy of their claims (30 of Rokke’s team did NOT die as he once claimed) and by exposing the fact that they (and you and KVK and I wonder how many others) are apparently conspiracy kooks to boot.

You did correctly identify me as a Vampire, however.  I, along with the laws of physics, have drained you and the article of credibility.

More later…....

Posted by Natalie on Sep 30, 2005 at 9:14 AM

Natalie you have not really adressed the direct questions, the thread is the proof why do you lie so?

Why would you live anywhere near Roger?
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Natalie, you have been assumed to be a daughter and Rabbit does not actually think Natalie Helbig seems very accomplished the qualifications are just window dressing and the stuff she writes is worthless filler, no more.  Natalie who has no credibility, once pretended to know nothing of DU and yet has never stopped Shilling for this FALSE cause from the start. You are a LIER pure and simple.
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If there was no more to this you would have revelled in pointing it out earlier, no go and the thread is the record. You have posted enough for your modus operandi to be known.

It has already been made clear that the theories about 911 are many and the only thing thjat is known for sure is that almost nothing in the official theory is true. Actual evidence has seen to that.

Leuren and Moret can believe what they like about such unrelated matters but if you thinkl the Missile theory about the pentagon is more kooky than the official lie, then once again you lose credibility, not others.

If all is well why so much energy is being expended to withold the evidence which would prove what happened? LIES is why.

Your tag team effort with Roger are classic and are we forgetting a little sopmething about combined complaints using false accusations?  We are forgetting little things like that Natalie are we not?
Thye US does not have a good name and you and people like you are the reason so your crocodile tears are wasted.

We are not anti-DU people you stupid twat, we are just people. You are the one siupporting an untenable position.

Why do you not support the proper testing of veterans? Because the lies would be exposed.

Why can you not answer the comparison with the fear of a single terrorsit Dirty BOMB? Because your lies would be left naked.

You never had an open mind and at last you admit it.  You fail to realise that as far as Nuclear waste as a weapon of Warfare goes there are no open minds, only the world which knows the truth and that is not under question. The other is part of the Military Industrial complex, who you are shilling for. You have had no buyers in this whole thread, noticed that have we? Everybody of any substance has destroyed everything you have tried to spin, not once but many trimes.

You have never had anybody but your own partner in Crime to agree with anything you have said and he has even less credibility. If you have looked up LTC Roger Helbig, and really did not know him you would have had to pull your head in alone due to the complete lack of credibility Helbig owns. Do you not realise he is the best known Depleted Uranium Shill on the Block and a horrible , rude and abusive man to boot. You are crap just for associating with such vermin.

All your links have been examined and found wanting as it happens so don’t claim anything you have not earned. You have not touched the article, you have not dented the DU issue. It is still evil, banned and insane.

Since you are not Natalie Helbig you won’t mind someone checking up with the returned vets to make sure, they would like to know who is working so hard against their interests, so I hope you are telling the truth Natalie.

You are reminded again you have still not managed anything but proove that someone is desperate to keep the lid on the DU issue.

Anybody who doubts that Natalie is a LIER and a SHILL is invited to read this thread, it is long and she hopes you won’t, go ahead and read the truth here if you doubt. Natalie is counting that you won’t.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 30, 2005 at 11:18 AM

Repeats of questions, you lied as expected on the last lot, but the proof is all here.

Try and slime your way through these now.

A small point about your quite poorly supported claims, about soldiers of Gulf War not showing signs of DU poisoning.

Excuse Rabbit for pointing out that about 250,000 US service personnel are fully disabled with symptoms which would be said to be DU poisoning if it were not for the desperate attempts by your employers to pretend it isn

Posted by GhostRabbit on Sep 30, 2005 at 11:33 AM

I love how the shills and media label anyone with an opinion,other than “the official version” of events, conspiracy kooks! It is well known throughout both our countrys history and history in general,that there have been and are many, many true conspiracys.I think the kooks are either the ones that think they can get away with something,or those who try to COVER IT UP. The word conspiracy,has been turned into a dirty word,by those who hold the power behind the media,to more easily defend their undefendable positions,much the way the word libral has been villafide.No more bait please,I’m full.

Posted by Kaw Valley Kid on Oct 1, 2005 at 7:17 AM

I agree, KVK, that realities are often different from how they appear in our window to the world…the media.  Skepticism is healthy and the fruits of thinking outside the box are often abundant.

One “reality”, which was recently presented to us by the media, was quite distorted, turns out.  It makes sense however why the media would choose to distort it, and there is pictorial evidence that proves the obviously willful distortion. 

http://tinyurl.com/djxh5

When CBS presented documents purporting to show that George W. Bush shirked his responsibilities in the TANG, the vast majority of viewers accepted them as genuine.  But a closer look at the documents, combined with the knowledge of CBS’s ideological leanings (Rather in particular) led to the realization that the docs were fakes.  Upon reading the investigative report of the incident, it was clear that CBS was duped, but almost willingly.  People within their own employ doubted the documents’ authenticity and warned them not to use them.

However, the difference between believing the CBS documents were fakes, and believing that a missile hit the Pentagon and the WTC was brought down by explosives, is vast.  It makes perfect sense that someone would try to pass off phony documents to help defeat GWB.  And it makes perfect sense that Dan Rather, who has done a poor job through the years of hiding his disdain for Republicans and the Bushes in particular, would buy into it.  There’s plenty of solid evidence to back up the assertion that the documents are fakes.  There’s hours and hours of footage demonstrating Rather’s bitter partisanship.

But it makes no sense on any level that this or any administration would participate in such a nefarious scheme to purposefully destroy lives and financial and military assets.  One would have to imagine the meeting where it was suggested:

“Here’s what we’ll do.  To gain sympathy in the world and get a free pass to imperialize whomever we want,  we’ll team up with some middle eastern guys and they’ll provide us cover while we actually bring down the WTC with explosives.  We all know the planes alone couldn’t do that.  And then, instead of actually crashing a plane into the Pentagon, as per my earlier plan, I think we should go with a DU tipped missile.  I like the accuracy and the penetration factor.  I doubt anyone in the Pentagon would recognize missile parts when they saw them.  If they do, we’ll just have em killed.  The CIA has just completed a secret runway in Brazil where we can land the other plane, or maybe we should just crash it into the sea”.

“Sounds good, Rummy, let’s go with that”.  I’ve been itchin’ to do some imperilizin ever since I stole the presidency.”

“Yes, Mr. ‘President’, I know ya have”.  (raucous laughter about the whole room)

Skepticism is good.  But several questions need to be asked:  Do I believe it’s this way mainly because I WANT it to be this way?  Do I have CREDIBLE evidence to back up my suspicions?  Does it make any sense what-so-ever?

These same questions should be applied to the issue of depleted uranium.

Posted by Natalie on Oct 1, 2005 at 11:19 AM

I have a question :

I have read (maybe even in this thread) several news articles, after a recent plane crash in Ontario, Canada,  which mention that depleted uranium is used as ballast(?) in the wings of some aircraft. Does the type of plane that (alledgedly) crashed into the Pentagon have depleted uranium on board? I could run a search on it but want to see if anyone else knows and/or has considered the possible implications.

I don’t know what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11. Sometimes I wonder if the missile theory isn’t dis/misinormation, created to poison the well, that will be debunked by the eventual release of more footage that will clearly show a plane crashing into the building. Then everyone can rest assured that they were being told the truth all along and sleep well at night that (all) the whacky conspiracy theories are delusional rantings.

Am I crazy? To ask questions like this? Or is it healthy skepticism?

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 1, 2005 at 2:44 PM

David, Rabbit agrees that the missile, especially the missile on it’s own theory is dis-info. The story traces back to that Viall gentleman Rabbit once mentioned, which makes it suspect. Incidentally that is also Rabbit’s main sticking point with the abiotic origins of OIL theory. And a few others, which I would otherwise consider more probable on theory alone.

Healthy Sceptisism David, the kind Natalie mistakenly claims. One is right to be sceptical of anything unless it is either very believable or backed by enough evidence to make it so.  This is why Rabbit does not believe the airliner which is alleged to have hit the Pentagon, did. But there is some evidence for there having been a smaller plane, and this is of several different types from pictorial, of wreckage and damage, as well as anecdotal from several sources and conclusions which have logically been inferred from circumstantial evidence.

Enough for Rabbit to go with a smaller plane, probably specially fitted, and possibly with missile or explosives, the damage was not caused by a lump of Aluminum plane which is so weak a battering ram by the governments own attempts to explain the small entry hole, that it crumpled like a leaf, as would be expected when hitting such an immensely strong and newly re-inforced section of what is not just your average summer house construction.

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Natalie you dirty little lying SHILL. Take your sleazy ass over to another trhead, where all your recent lies on behalf af Bush and Co are being dealt with in better context. You have just raised some very un-related matters which can easily be turned against you, they are of no consequence to the 911 questions which are after all the most important to the whole case. Just how evil and depraved are your masters.

It seems completely obvious that you are merely trying to lose the DU issue in the new debate, but if you have any interest in 911 as an issue the thread is now in full swing on the God Squad and it is looking set to outrun this thread. You even have new friend there, but he needs help with coming up with sources all he has is a faith based argument. You two sould get alomg fine.

As for 911, Rabbit will happily Fry your ass on that one. We all will. It will be too easy.

Stop shilling for the DU on this thread, by taliking about 911 now. The Rabbit will otherwise begin to discuss with others the possibility of “adjusting” this thread for readability, if you think this to be a hollow threat, you do not begin to concieve of how poorly you stand, in credibility, respect or position.

Are you just a LIER for DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS? or do you actually have any other opinions?

If you do then stop lurking here amongst the Radioactive Wounds OF WAR, and comeout into the light a little. Get out of your NUCLEAR cave, if you don’t want to be seen as a NUCLEAR BITCH….and nothing else.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 1, 2005 at 9:52 PM

Another thing Nat. You have at the least managed to prove that someone might be able to cobble together a defence of DU use to people who don’t read the whole thread and don’t bother to check all sources when a valis challenge is presented.

Frankly that is the best you could ever have hoped for. Come on, your last post showed to Rabbit that you had finally read the whole thread., It was patently obvious you had never done so before that. Now honestly at what stage do you really think you were in front on the issue?  Keep it to yourself, we know the answer as well as we know the answer you must give. Why bother? 

Now Rabbit knows that tactical thinking is not a strong point, either for you or your masters, assuming such do actually exist.

Therefore Rabbit is pointing out something that should have occurred to you long ago, you can only go down from here.
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Now the trick of leading the thread off topic at this point, will serve a number of ends, none of them good from your point of view.
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First you will be doing exactly what a Shill would be expected to do, and EVERYONE knows this. Thus your belated attempts to try and keep your SHILL status secret, will also continue to take a hammering, and Nat they are already flat.

Second you are begginning to attract a crowd, and on a site which is itself seeing an upswing of interest and which already boasts a very intelligent and well informed core group of posters, this is not likely to be good for you. You will at least have to call for re-inforcements. Costly and frankly sending good people in after bad or at least compromised, American as it is, is unwarranted where no lives are yet in danger. Best to cut your losses. If your masters exist and are military men, you are probably just the tip of the iceberg into which your government is about to run the Ship of state. The effects of being caught between things with such massive momentum are predictable. You are stuck in this foxhole until relieved or dead. Rabbit will be in the grave digging Party if this is the case, that is a promise.

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Rabbit as a teller only of the truth, with no agenda and honest Rabbit, fears no defeat from you. So don’t start more Natty the Ratty or Rude RAmjettery. You are not more than a fly on Bunnies nose. He is watching you and treating you frankly with about the same mix of indifference and interest, as a small black Rabbit I know would do to such a fly. Two of them at once might get knocked to the floor, but just as content to watch their silliness and not get too worked up about it on the whole.
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 1, 2005 at 10:40 PM

The Third problem you will have from now on, is that since you have introduced a Substantial New topic 911 into the equation you have made an enormous blunder. Probably you assumed that by taking what you must percieve to be some crazy conspiracy line and introducing it to bring discredit on others. Not a wise assumption. For a start people round here know what a theory is and they know what conspiracy means. We only use the two together to mock people like you, we are all capable of discerning that neither word on its own or in combination is anything but a neutral noun verb combination. By that Rabbit means it neither strengthens nor debunks anything on its own.  We are open minded, well informed and trust me guys Rabbit knows we are going to pin you, and slice you into mince meat on the 911 if it is your intention to defend anything even remotely like the official story.
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If you doubt this you are in for one hell of a rude awakening. Are you unable to browse freely on your comptuer Natalie? Rabbit has wondered before if maybe you were somehow restricted to what you can view. Rabbit knows of several cases of people he knows whose web provider does not allow them to access many sites, which are otherwise very popular and very reliable sites with many. Restriction of information seems the only way Shills could actually function and sound so convinced, it would also explain what is obvious to those of us who can see whatever we want, Shills hardly ever read and trace sources. Usually just replying with standard lines which always alerts others who do check the sources. It is by the way one of the many indicaters which tells observant people much about others, via no more than words. What you most wish and don’t we all, is that your words said all you want to say. The problem is after a bit those words begin to tell their own story, much of it is between the lines so to speak, much of it is style and format, some is observation and deduction but it all springs from your words and after a while it becomes easir and easir to hear the truth we are seeking from your words, not the things you are seeking to establish from your words. You have long since crosseed the point where any words of yours could further the DU cause, or any cause on this thread.
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The result of drawing the two issues together is the most serious mistake you will make. Rabbit is cool with it, if you wish to abandon all tactical reason and now take onboard your leaking cause, an even faster shinking ship, who is Rabbit to deny you the opportunity.  The result will be that two issues which have not been connected before will now bring many people from both areas of interest to the same table.  Now the problem for you is this. Most of those who will challenge 911 alternative theories and some who are doing so right now will without any doubt be confronted with Depleted Uranium as an issue. Rabbit can assure you that most of these people know next to nothing about the fact of DU and that it is being used as it is.  Rabbit is willing to bet a whole bushell of Carrots that most if not all of those folks are going to have a tough time accepting DU the way you would like them to. Therein lies your worst nightmare. Indeed Rabbit is posting this last one in a bid to lay the groundstone for this wonderful thing.
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 1, 2005 at 11:10 PM

We have some compelling stuff to come, and if it is to be dealt with on this thread simultaneously as with THE GOD SQUAD, then what could be better.  For the most part Rabbit does not go too deeply into DU on other threads, just enough to test the waters, Rabbit is a cautious creature, fools rush in and all.  The damage that will be done to the 911 official story is already predictable, we shall be taking a few new things on board all of us and Rabbit has at least one new thing to add, maybe. But we should know by now that Dittoheads, Trolls and Shills, and Morons, will be leaving no wiser, there is little chance for those who are merely misinformed, like WTH. We will gain from the exchange and that will be that.
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What if we have such a Lovely pasture as this “Radioactive Waste Dump” to graze on while we deal with the issues?
How comfortable will the government supporters be seeing not only the lies about DU being spread but they will have to receoncile that with the Government would never do such evil, which is of course their final and irrevocable argument..

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All those who read this thread and have come this far, who still doubt your government could do such evil as allow or even orchestrate 911, how do you feel about that leap of faith now that you see what they are doing with “Nuclear Waste”? See how they even put a huge and ongoing effort into lying about “DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS” and trying to make them seem sexy. See how they do this and ask yourselves what would 3000 lives mean to them, just because they were mostly Americans? They made sure the buildings were insured in a most propitious manner for the Lessee and for the owners.
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In the interests of you mostly therefore Rabbit offers the following truce.
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STOP NOW, Drop it, and join the other thread, if you wish. There Rabbit will treat you as not much different to any other, no Shill word will be used at you, unless you re-earn the title, independantly. Rabbit will not refer to this thread even, if you don’t, that is fair, it is conditional but it is a truce which serves your interests as indicated, so that you may know, Rabbit desires it simply because he has other things to take care of and am sick of going round the mulberry bush on this one.
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You stop now, Rabbit will not post on this thread agin unless you or Ramjet start up again. Rabbit feels some responsibility over you, since you are his SHILLS, and you have never lost your bite, despite massive beatings with the stick. For this Rabbit commends you.

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the Choice is yours Natalie, and Dodgy Rodgy, begone, and Rabbit will do likewise. KVK and DAVID and WHIT and others will welcome a better battle than poor old “OPINIONS’R'US”. better known as Jay. You might be a worthy opponent there, at least you are not afraid of Rabbit, Jay is rather scared of Rabbit and it is a bit sad, Rabbit has to rely on others to re-ask Jay things for he ignores Rabbit, in his Terror.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 1, 2005 at 11:13 PM

Here is a fact to chew on :

Iraq, Afghanistan, the Balkans, have all become, to a greater or lesser degree, very large, toxic nuclear waste dumps through the actions of certain countries that have decided to use toxic nuclear waste for bullets and bombs.

Opinion to chew on :

Nukes, dirty bombs, depleted uranium, toxic nuclear waste, call it what you will, in the end, it is, or should be, hopefully, one day, a war crime.

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 2, 2005 at 9:21 PM

David of Canada .. you have a poor grasp of facts .. your rhetoric is strong, but you are clearly fact challenged .. what is your relation to rabbit dung?

You initially posed a good question.  DU has been used for counterweights on aircraft for a number of years .. it is extremely dense, more dense than lead and a DU counterweight thus can be much smaller than one made out of any other material.  DU has also been considered to make small fork lift vehicles since the counterweights can be be substantially reduced in size.  This enables much closer aisle spacing in warehouses.

None of the locations that you cited are in any way considered to be radiological materials waste dumps.

Posted by Ramjet on Oct 2, 2005 at 10:28 PM

Thanks for your kind offer, Rabbit, but I think I’ll reserve the option to post more here in the future as it relates to DU, or other issues that might serve to inform about the motivations, qualifications and judgment of those who might disagree with me about   the degree of danger posed by the use of DU in proportion to the benefits thereof.

I take issue with your characterization of me and others that advocate for the use of DU as people who somehow don’t care about the health and lives of our soldiers, or civilians close to a battle situation.  My opinion, based on evaluating the amount and quality of information put forth by all parties, is that DU is minimally dangerous, is nothing close to being properly described as “nuclear waste”, and is certainly an integral part of our ability to win battles quickly with MANY less casualties on BOTH sides, as well as contributing to an overall deterrent effect.

Saddam Hussein tried mightily to deprive us of our ability to use depleted uranium weapons.  Based on the type of medical research he carried out on who he once considered to be HIS people, I somehow don’t think their health was his primary motivation.

Posted by Natalie on Oct 2, 2005 at 11:39 PM

Rabbit hoped you would be so stupid and indeed expected it. Like I said I’ll be in your burial party SHILLS.
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Frankly Natalie I don’t care what you take issue with. You are advocating a war crime. You are advocating the use of something which has for sixty years been known to be dangerous, it forms the bane of the Nuclear Industry, how to dispose of the waste. You are so foul you would try and twist the truth, god knows how because you are not succeeding, just so that people can be killed more efficiently.
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You have the temerity to “Take Isuue” with being called “people who somehow don

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 3, 2005 at 2:25 AM

You are a SHILL, long since proven so your evaluation of facts is a foregone conclusion. If your opinion was worth shit, you would never have tried to pass yourself off as an open minded party, seeking clarificataion of an issue, which you did.
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Go back to page one and read the first post of this VERY STUPID SHILL people.
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Saddam Hussein, who Rabbit didn’t even know had his people checked, has nothing to do with anything, dumb shill. The tests which you are resisting being carried out will be everything. The tests are being carried out as we speak in Australia, in the USA and in Britain. It is only a matter of time before the piper will be coming to call, so shill on.
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Your whole set of lies relies on there never being any testing done.  HA HA HA HA HA….........
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You still have not ever faced any of the actual simple questions put to you any of which would be your undoing, and that is why of course.
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.The slow suffering and disabling of so many soldiers after the fact is a small price to pay for doing as much damage to the enemy for the longets amount of time. That is what you are saying you GROSS TOAD. 250,000 disabled veterans with a mystery disease from the GULF WAR. “GULF WAR SYNDROME” shows the symptoms of DU poisoning. Testing of the disabled for DU poisoning, has shown positive, in cases privately funded. The remaining 250,000 are waiting to be diagnosed, the testing will do it. Forget the radiation you Stupid Shilling Sheila, this was never the main issue, it is just the one you are instructed to stick to. The Uranyls are the main problem as has been pointed out on this thread and proven.

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It is NUCLEAR WASTE NATALIE. It is the same stuff my government is trying to figure out how to deal with because our nuclear export potential may require us to take back the Depleted Uranium Waste. Something nobody wants.
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Funny that Natalie, it would after all be in lead and concrete lined drums and buried. It’s not like it would vapourised all over the country, after all. Maybe you think it’s safer to vapourise it Natalie?  Funny girl.
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If the disabled from the GULF WAR who appear to be suffering some “MYSTERY DISEASE” with DU poisoning like symptoms, sounds bad at 250,000, think about this.
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Only a few hundred tons of the stuff was splattered around then, we’re up around 3500 tons in Iraq so far in two years.
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By the way Natalie and Roger the Goose, you might as well stop talking about DU shortening the WAR ir saving US lives. If you think Iraq is going well, well what can Rabbit say.
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If you think Civilian casualties of upwards of 150,000 so far and the US losses which even without the many thousands of mercenaries is way over 2000, is an improvement then the question is begging, what would you have considered bad?
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“Private Contractors”....., mercenaries sell their gun, what do “Private Contractors” do which is different?
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It’s been said before Nat and Rog you are long since dead and stinking.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 3, 2005 at 2:42 AM

DAVID is obviously another one of Rabbit’s huge army of Anti DU-Shills, of course Roger.
Actually he like everyone else on the thread just knows you are full of crap, and a SHILL.
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He like others is just pointing to some of the things which they know or how they feel about those things. David’s point is relevant and is made so by the entirety of this thread. Roger still hasn’t figured out that all the previous pages on the thread are still accessed by people, and can be read, just because he assumes that everything posted somehow replaces the previous postings.
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Rabbit has said before these shills may be on computers with controls which keep them inside certain strict information zones. It would explain a lot actually.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 3, 2005 at 2:52 AM

“None of the locations that you cited are in any way considered to be radiological materials waste dumps.”

Roger Ramjet, shame on you!  Shame on you, LTC Helbig for lying and for trying to scare off good people who have proved you wrong time and time again!

See the following:

The use of DU weapons by the U.S., the U.K., and NATO in Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosova, and possibly Afghanistan over the past decade led to investigation and opposition in several countries.

In 1999, MTP, the Laka Foundation (Netherlands), and the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium (UK) began the first attempt to create an international coalition against DU weapons by organizing a DU workshop at the Hague Appeal for Peace.

In 2003, MTP and several organizations in other countries co-founded the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons (ICBUW), an extension of the effort begun at the Hague Appeal for Peace in 1999. ICBUW is a collaboration between grassroots organizations and technical experts to end the use of uranium and other radioactive materials in weaponry.
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And also, see the following:

THE OTHER SIDE OF JUSTICE
Tamara Stupar

NIN, 10/30/97

The Gulf Syndrome in Bosnia

The Federal Committee’s report on the investigation of war crimes in Bosnia-Herzegovina contains data stating that NATO aviation used radioactive projectiles during the bombing of Republika Srpska and Knin Krajina; however, that document is coded “strictly confidential” and is not available to the public.

While the authors of the Dayton peace plan feverishly attempt to preserve the mosaic of a state whose future is still uncertain, medical specialists and members of some ecological movements and organizations have been warning for two years that the people there were not only victims of mutual destruction, but were also victims of a morbid NATO experiment of which the consequences, with certainty, will be far reaching.

Against both the hypocrisy of the Western political and military establishment and the local political and state ruling circles—who declare to support human values and principles while at the same time silently approving participation in the unscrupulous destruction of lives of “ordinary people” whose existence is often reduced to a mute testimony of their own helplessness—an isolated, and usually lonely, voice speaks out.

Dr. Zoran Stankovic (age 43), a pathologist and the head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at the Military Medical Academy in Belgrade—who as a member of the Yugoslav Committee for investigating war crimes was in Republika Srpska in the fall of 1995 immediately after the bombing by NATO forces, and later continuously toured the most endangered locations—said to NIN that occurrences of “gulf sickness” are evident in the population. That syndrome in its mildest form is manifested by CNS disorders, psychological discomforts and digestive problems; its most acute form is manifested by a rise in malignancies, leukemia and higher numbers of stillborn babies.

Increased records of “gulf sickness” occurrences in the regions of Sarajevo, Foca, Doboj and Knin, are the basis of suspicion that NATO aviation—in violation of the Geneva Convention’s protection of war victims—used radioactive projectiles (whose penetrable armor contains weakened uranium) in Republika Srpska and Knin Krajina, just like during operation “Desert Storm” in southern Iraq in 1991, says Dr. Stankovic.

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LTC Helbig, stop your shameless campaign of lies.

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:18 AM

More on the use of DU in the Balkans:

According to his statements, official precise data on the relationship between the rapid increase of, above all, malignant illnesses in Republika Srpska and the type of weaponry that NATO used during the bombing, is not yet available. Unofficially, however, we learned that the report by the Yugoslav Expert committee confirmed that the Allied aviation used radioactive projectiles; and due to the strictly confidential nature of this information, that document is unavailable to the public.

When asked why official Belgrade sources and the ruling heads of Republika Srpska are silent about this, Stankovic hopelessly shrugs his shoulders, stating that by not recognizing or marginalizing the problem, it is in effect a defense against responsibility.

He, however, announces that at the end of November he will, with the help of his colleagues (medical specialists of different backgrounds), begin research aiming to confirm the now hypothetical relationship between different manifestations of the radioactive syndrome and the weaponry which the Allied military forces—whose members are pro-democracy oriented and very sensitive to questions of human and minority rights—experimented with on the Serbian soldiers and civilians in Bosnia and Croatia. The first results of this painstaking research, which, according to Dr. Stankovic’s statements, is motivated solely by humanitarian and professional conscience, and whose financial basis is still uncertain, will be known at the latest by March of next year.

He emphasizes that precise data would enable the leadership in Republika Srpska to start an inquiry into NATO’s responsibility, and to request material compensation for the victims of the bombings.

The president of the Council of the New Green Party, Branka Jovanovic, who in the past two years has publicly warned of the tragic and long term consequences of using radioactive weapons in Bosnia, told NIN that Republika Srpska “is probably just another experimental region where the U.S.A. used nuclear projectiles.”

As support for this thesis she cites a recent public admittance by the assistant U.S. Secretary of Defense Kenneth Bacon, who confirmed in a Japanese newspaper Mainichi Shimbun that during a military exercise on the island Torisima near Okinawa “there occurred an incident, and by mistake 1520 radioactive projectiles were fired.” Bacon explained that weakened uranium (U-235 and U-236), in spite of confirmed radioactivity, is used because of its hard alloy in the penetrable armor of the projectile.

According to Bacon’s statement, after this incident created waves in the Japanese media, the bombs were transferred to South Korea, and later to the American naval base in Guam. Not a single Pentagon official, however, has denied the claim that the warehouse of nuclear projectiles has still not been transferred from the Japanese military base of Iwakuni Yamagushi, even though this was demanded by the local officials.

Jovanovic states that in June of this year Mainichi Shimbun published results of a research study done by the American military institute AFRI, which says that bombs containing weakened uranium cause cancer. The military institutes GOA and AEPRL simultaneously warned that the use of these weapons directly endangers the soldiers who handle them. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark confirmed to the Japanese newspaper that after using radioactive projectiles in southern Iraq, which he characterized as a crime, a rise in the cases of leukemia, cancer and tumors in children were recorded.

Jovanovic also says that another indication is the unambiguous warning to members of SFOR in Bosnia not to drink local water and not to touch grass or earth with their hands.

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LTC Helbig and your various shills: travel to these regions and tell the people poisoned by DU how they are safe and have nothing to worry about…

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:20 AM

Basic numbers on the widespread use of DU: even CNN contradicts the good LTC Helbig and his parade of shameful lies.

Uranium arms warning issued in 1991
January 15, 2001

LONDON, England—Nuclear safety advisers for the British Government warned 10 years ago about the potential health hazards of controversial uranium tipped weapons.

The UK Atomic Energy Authority’s 1991 report warned that depleted uranium (DU) shells left in Kuwait after the Gulf War were potentially harmful.

DU weapons have been linked—although there is no solid scientific proof—to illnesses among peacekeepers who served in the Balkans, where the weapons were also used.

The report, which AEA confirmed to CNN.com was published in full in 1998 in response to a parliamentary question. It was publicised as senior medical officers of the 19-member NATO alliance met in Brussels on Monday to examine reports of health problems.

The special meeting of the Committee of the Chiefs of the Military Medical Services (COMEDS), which normally assembles twice a year, was being held at the Belgian Defence Ministry. 

The AEA report said: “Handling heavy metal munitions does pose some potential hazards, as does the possibility of the spread of radioactive and toxic contaminations as a result of firing in battle

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:23 AM

LOW INTENSITY NUCLEAR WAR

by
Michel Chossudovsky

Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, author of “The Globalization of Poverty”, second enlarged edition, Common Courage Press, 2001.

The death from leukemia of eight Italian peacekeepers stationed in Bosnia and Kosovo sparked an uproar in the Italian Parliament, following the leaking of a secret military document to the Italian newspaper La Republicca. In Portugal, the Defense Ministry was also involved in what amounted to a deliberate camouflage of “the cause of death” of Portuguese peacekeeper Corporal Hugo Paulino. “‘Citing “herpes of the brain’, the army refused to allow his family to commission a postmortem examination.” Amidst mounting political pressure, Defense Minister Julio Castro Caldas advised NATO Headquarters in November that he was withdrawing Portuguese troops from Kosovo: “They were not, he said, going to become uranium meat”.

As the number of cancer cases among Balkans “peacekeepers” rises, NATO’s cover-up has started to fracture. Several European governments have been obliged to publicly acknowledge the “alleged health risks” of depleted uranium (DU) shells used by the US Air Force in NATO’s 78-day war against Yugoslavia.

The Western media points to an apparent “split” within the military alliance. In fact there was no “division” or disagreement between Washington and its European allies until the scandal broke through the gilded surface.

Italy, Portugal, France and Belgium were fully aware that DU weapons were being used. The health impacts—including mountains of scientific reports—were known and available to European governments. Italy participated in the scheduling of the A-10 “anti-tank killer” raids (carrying DU shells) out of its Aviano and Gioia del Colle air force bases. The Italian Defense Ministry knew what was happening at military bases under its jurisdiction.

Washington’s European partners in NATO including Britain, France, Turkey, Greece have DU weapons in their arsenals. Canada is one of the main suppliers of depleted uranium. NATO countries share full responsibility for the use of weapons banned by the Geneva and Hague conventions and the 1945 Nuremberg Charter on war crimes.

Since the Gulf War, Washington launched a “cover-up” on the health impacts of DU toxic radiation known as the “Gulf War Syndrome”, with the tacit endorsement of its NATO partners.

While NATO had until recently denied using DU shells in the 1999 war against Yugoslavia, it now admits that although it did use DU ammunition, the shells “have negligible radioactivity

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:26 AM

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In docile complicity, a new media consensus has unfolded: the mainstream press concurs without further scrutiny that only “peace-keepers” breathe the air. “But what about everybody else.“6 In Kosovo some 2 million civilian men, women and children have been exposed to the radioactive fallout since the beginning of the bombing in March 1999. In the Balkans, more than 20 million people are potentially at risk:

“The risk in Kosovo and elsewhere in the Balkans is augmented by the uncertainty of where DU was dropped in whatever form and what winds and surface water movements spread it further. Working the fields, walking about, just being there, touching objects, breathing and drinking water are all risky. A British expert predicted that thousands of people in the Balkans will get sick of DU. The radioactive and toxic DU-oxides don’t disintegrate. They are practically permanent.”

Keep in mind that the heavily armed “peacekeepers” together with United Nations staff and civilian personnel of “humanitarian” organisations entered Kosovo in June 1999. The spread of radioactive dust from DU, however, started on “day one” of the 78 day bombing of Yugoslavia. With the exception of NATO Special Forces—who were assisting the KLA on the ground—NATO military personnel was not present on the battlefield. In other words, there was no radioactive exposure to NATO troops during a “push button” air war, which the Alliance forces waged from the high skies. Yugoslav civilians are, therefore, at much greater risk because they were exposed to radioactive fallout throughout the bombings as well in the wake of the war. Yet the official communiqu

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:28 AM

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COVER-UP

The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Health Organization (WHO) have tacitly accepted NATO-Pentagon assumptions concerning the health impacts of depleted uranium. When UNEP conducted its first assessment of DU radiation in Kosovo in 1999, NATO refused to provide the mission with maps indicating the locations of “affected areas” (points of impact where DU shells had fallen).

On the pretext that “there was insufficient data available to comprehensively address the issue of the impacts of depleted uranium ordnance,” UNEP produced an inconclusive and noncommittal “desk study” which was appended to the 1999 Balkans Task Force Report (BTF) on the environmental impacts of the War. 13 UNEP’s desk study pointed to the “possible use of DU” thereby implying that it was still unsure as to whether DU shells had actually been used.

UNEP’s evasiveness -claiming lack of sufficient data—contributed, in the wake of the bombings, to temporarily dissipating public concern. More generally, the UNEP-UNCHS Balkans Task Force report tends to downplay the seriousness of the environmental catastrophe triggered by NATO. Amply documented, the catastrophe was the deliberate result of military planning.14

NATO maps (indicating where DU shells had been targeted) were not required for UNEP and the WHO to conduct an investigation on the health impacts of depleted uranium radiation. A study of this nature—inevitably requiring a team of medical specialists in pedriatics and cancer working in liaison with experts on toxic radiation—was never carried out. In fact, UNEP’s stated “scientific” assumption precluded from the outset a meaningful assessment of the health impacts. According to UNEP:

“the effects of DU are mainly localized in the places DU has been used and the affected areas are likely to be small”. 15 See the 1999 desk study, op. cit.)

This proposition (which is presented without scientific proof) is shared by UNEP’s sister organization, the WHO:

“You would have to be very close to a damaged tank and be there within seconds of it being hit

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:30 AM

UNEP AND NATO WORKING HAND IN GLOVE

Amidst the public outcry and mounting evidence of cancer among Balkans military personnel, UNEP conducted a second assessment in November 2000 which included field measurements of beta and gamma particle radiations in 11 so-called “affected areas” of Kosovo.

Despite NATO’s earlier refusal to collaborate with UNEP, the two organizations are currently working hand in glove. The composition of the mission was established in consultation with NATO. The representative from Greenpeace (involved in the 1999 study) had been dumped.

The broader health issues were not part of the mission’s terms of reference. The two medical researchers dispatched by the WHO in 1999 (as part of the desk study mission) had been replaced with experts from the US Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine…

AC Laboratorium Spiez (ACLS) has actively collaborated in chemical weapons inspections in Iraq. Under the disguise of Swiss neutrality, ACLS constitutes an informal mouthpiece for NATO. ACLS has been on contract with NATO’s “Partnership for Peace” financed by the Swiss government’s contribution to the PfP.20

Although the November mission was still under UNEP auspices, the Swiss government was funding most of fieldwork with ACLS—a division of the Swiss military—playing a central role. The mission—integrated by representatives linked to the Military establishment—was working on the premise (amply reviewed on ACLS’s web page) that DU radioactive dust does not (under any circumstances) travel beyond the “point of release.”

The results of the report to be published in March 2001 are a foregone conclusion. They focus on radiation levels in the immediate vicinity of the target sites . According to the mission’s “back to office report” (January 2001):

...Already at this stage the Team can conclude that at some of the DU locations, the radiation level is slightly higher above normal at very limited spots. It would therefore be an unnecessary risk to the population to be in direct contact with any remnants of DU ammunition or with the spots where these have been found.”

DOUBLE STANDARDS

If radioactivity were confined to so-called “very limited spots”, why then have KFOR troops been instructed by their governments “not to eat local produce, have drinking water flown in

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:34 AM

CONTAMINATION OVER A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA

According to NATO sources (communicated to UNEP), some 112 sites in Yugoslavia (of which 72 are in Kosovo) were targeted during the war with depleted uranium antitank shells. Between 30,000 and 50,000 DU shells were fired.

Scientific evidence amply confirms that the DU radioactive aerosol spreads from “the point of release” over a large geographical area suggesting that large parts of the province of Kosovo are contaminated. “[R]adioactive derivatives can linger in the air for months ‘‘Just one particle in the lungs is enough—a single particle could travel to the lymph nodes, where the radioactivity would lower the body’s defenses against lymphomas and leukemia’‘

According to World renowned radiologist Dr. Rosalie Bertell:

When used in war, the depleted uranium (DU) bursts into flame [and] releasing a deadly radioactive aerosol of uranium, unlike anything seen before. It can kill everyone in a tank. This ceramic aerosol is much lighter than uranium dust. It can travel in air tens of kilometres from the point of release, or be stirred up in dust and resuspended in air with wind or human movement. It is very small and can be breathed in by anyone: a baby, pregnant woman, the elderly, the sick. This radioactive ceramic can stay deep in the lungs for years, irradiating the tissue with powerful alpha particles within about a 30 micron sphere, causing emphysema and/or fibrosis. The ceramic can also be swallowed and do damage to the gastro-intestinal tract. In time, it penetrates the lung tissue and enters into the blood stream. ...It can also initiate cancer or promote cancers which have been initiated by other cancinogens”.

The targeted sites within Kosovo (see NATO map at http://balkans.unep.ch/du/targetmap.html) although concentrated on the South-western border are scattered throughout the province. Most of the villages and cities including Pristina, Prizren and Pec lie within less than 20 km. of the 72 DU target sites confirming that the entire province is contaminated.

NATO WAR CRIMES

The bombing of Yugoslavia is best described as a “low intensity nuclear war” using toxic radioactive shells and missiles. Amply documented, the radioactive fall-out potentially puts millions of people at risk throughout the Balkans.

In March 1999, NATO launched the air raids invoking broad humanitarian principles and ideals. NATO had “come to the rescue” of ethnic Albanian Kosovars on the grounds they were being massacred by Serb forces. The forensic reports by the FBI and Europol confirm that the massacres did not occur. In a cruel irony, Albanian Kosovar civilians are among the main victims of DU radiation.

To maintain the cover-up, NATO is now prepared to reveal a small fraction of the truth. The military Alliance—in liaison with NATO member governments—wants at all cost to maintain the focus on “peacekeepers” and keep local civilians out of the picture, because if the entire truth gets out, then people might start asking questions such as “how is it that the Kosovar Albanians, the people we were supposed to rescue are now the victims?” In both Bosnia and Kosovo, the UN has been careful not to record cancer cases among civilians. The narrow focus on “peacekeepers” is part of the cover-up. It distracts public opinion from the broader issue of civilian victims.

The primary victims of DU weapons are children, making their use a “war crime against children.” The use of depleted uranium munitions is only one among several NATO crimes against humanity committed in Iraq and the Balkans…

-last bit to follow-

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:36 AM

-my final posting on this matter for now.  LTC Helbig, shame on you and shame on your shills for lying.—

According to official records, some 1800 Balkans peacekeepers (Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo) suffer from health ailments related to DU radiation. Assuming the same level of risk (as a percentage of population), the numbers of civilians throughout former Yugoslavia affected by DU radiation would be in the tens of thousands. British scientist Roger Coghill suggests, in this regard, that “throughout the Balkan region, there will be an extra 10,150 deaths from cancer because of the use of DU. That will include local people, K-FOR personnel, aid workers, everyone.” Moreover, according to a report published in Athens during the War, the impacts of depleted uranium are likely to extend beyond the Balkans. Albania, and Macedonia but also Greece, Italy, Austria and Hungary face a potential threat to human health as a result of the use of radioactive depleted uranium shells during the 1999 War.

While no overall data on civilian deaths have been recorded, partial evidence confirms that a large numbers of civilians have already died as result of DU radiation since the war in Bosnia:

“DU radiation and an apparent use of defoliants by US/NATO troops against Serbian land and population [in Bosnia], have caused many birth defects among babies born after the US/NATO bombing and occupation; the magnitude of this problem has stunned Serbian medical experts and panicked the population.”

A recent account points to several hundred deaths of civilians solely in one Bosnian village:

The village is empty, the cemetery full. Soon there will be no more room for the dead. Among refugee families who moved to Bratunac from Hadzici [in the outskirts of Sarajevo] there is a hardly a household not cloaked in mourning

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:39 AM

And lest anyone forget what this is really all about:

LTC Roger Helbig, United States Air Force: A Bully Pushing Around Civilians—Air Force Colonel Abuses American Citizens over Uranium Weapons Coverup
By Dr. Doug Rokke, US Army, Ret., and Bob Nichols, Project Censored Award Winner
Apr 11, 2005, 23:57

April 11, 2005—(Oklahoma City) “Individuals on web sites throughout the United States have complained over a period of months about the abusive and aggressive actions of an Air Force Lieut. Colonel named Roger Helbig,” stated Project Censored Award Winning writer Bob Nichols.

“Col. Helbig has consistently misrepresented himself and his participation, voluntarily or on a paid basis, as a “minder” or enforcer for the DOD lie about Uranium Munitions in direct contravention of US Army Regulations and Orders,” Nichols stated.

“Col. Helbig apparently is fervently following the Secret Los Alamos Memo about Uranium Weapons (UW), aka so-called “Depleted Uranium,” instructing personnel to lie about Uranium Weapons to maintain the political viability of continued use of the Genocidal Weapons: “weaponized radioactive and poisonous ceramic uranium oxide gas and dust” in Iraq and throughout Central Asia,” added Nichols.

Nichols stated “Dr. Doug Rokke, Ph.D., is the former Army Officer in charge of the Pentagon’s Depleted Uranium Project. Dr Rokke is a career officer, loyal to the Constitution of the United States of America, not to any political party. He is the man the people of the United States can turn to for “on the level information”  about the true nature of Uranium Weapons (UW.)

Dr. Rokke commented, “LTC Roger Helbig, United States Air Force: I would suggest that since you claim to be so knowledgeable about DU and my specific activities during Gulf War 1 and while I was the Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium that you produce the actual official documents, not some comments by Bob Cherry or Ed Battle or Mike Kilpatrick, your bosses up the line, verifying your comments.”

Rokke added “Unless you can do so, please cease and go away. But before you go away you still have not answered;  why you, as an United States Air Force officer, refuse to support my / our actions to ensure that United States Department of Defense officials provide medical care to all DU casualties and clean up all environmental contamination as required by AR 700-48 and TB 9-1300-278; and, that medical care is provided to all DU casualties as required by Lt General Ron Peake’s April 29, 2004 order.” 

Dr. Rokke concluded “It is time for you to decide. The question is not about me, but whether or not United States Department of Defense personnel comply with their own requirements to provide medical care and clean up all environmental contamination as specified in AR 700-48, TB 9-1300-278, and all of the orders mandating medical care for DU casualties.”

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 4:41 AM

Ramjet .. Thank you for the compliment on my rhetorical skills. Will keep working on the facts. You ask about my relation to GhostRabbit. Mostly the same as my relation with you, an acquaintance met over the Internet.

Now, getting back to the use of DU as counterweights in airplanes. If I can widen the scope of the question a little. Do you, or anyone else, know if the any of the planes involved in 9/11 were the types that would have DU counterweights? How much DU is typically used as a counterweight in a plane?

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 3, 2005 at 7:11 AM

Answer these facts, Roger Ramjet:

The military are not the only users of depleted uranium, it is used as a counterweight in some aircraft. El Al Flight LY 1862 crashed into a block of flats on the outskirts of Amsterdam (October 1992). Apart from the immediate consequences of the crash (at least 43 people killed on the ground, the exact number not known due to illegal immigrants living in the area), 850 people have since fallen ill as a consequence of a giant fireball that erupted from the plane and choking white smoke. The plane was known to be carrying 1,500 kg of depleted uranium (only 163 kg recovered), plus the possibility of nerve gas agents or biological weapons agents. The plane was destined for the Israel Institute for Biological Research (a top secret establishment for biological and chemical warfare, where according to an ex-employee ‘There is hardly a single known or unknown form of chemical or biological weapon ... which is not manufactured at the institute’ [Sunday Times, 4 October 1998]). The crash that occurred at Stansted Airport less than a minute from take-off narrowly missed outlying farm buildings, there was no loss of life on the ground (December 1999). The aircraft was carrying depleted uranium as a tail fin counterweight. Most of the depleted uranium has not been recovered. In a paper published in Nature physicist Robert L Parker estimated a worst case scenario of 250,000 people exposed to DU in a 747 crash.

Whilst the rare crash of a plane carrying DU is a local problem, the main concern with depleted uranium is the use by the military, as has been recently highlighted in the Gulf and former-Yugoslavia. DU is a heavy metal, in common with other heavy metals it is highly toxic and radioactive. Wars involving the use of DU are likely to be the most toxic in human history. The ‘success’ of DU in its two most recent field trials both as a penetrator and armour is likely to hasten its use on the battlefield unless there is urgent international action to outlaw its use.

And, the FAA warns:

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (the FAA) tells us that “The main hazard associated with depleted uranium is the harmful effect the material could have if it enters the body. If particles are inhaled or digested, they can be chemically toxic and cause a significant and long-lasting irradiation of internal tissue.” 1 The FAA further advises to “avoid contact with balance weights using depleted uranium” and to “avoid breathing or swallowing particles of balance weights found damaged or with cadmium plating damaged or lost.” 

The U.S. Army experts agree with the FAA’s warnings: “...if depleted uranium enters the body, it has the potentiality of causing serious medical consequences. The associated risk is both chemical and radiological.”

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 7:58 AM

Depleted Uranium Released During Canadian Plane Crash

Little-Known Use of DU in Commercial Jets Exposed

By Christopher Bollyn

The recent crash of a Boeing 747 in Halifax, Canada, raises a number of questions about the use of depleted uranium (DU) in airplanes, public health concerns and the 9-11 attacks. When a Boeing 747 crashed and burned on takeoff at Halifax International Airport in Nova Scotia, Canada, on Oct. 14, an official accident investigator said the aircraft probably contained radioactive depleted uranium.

Bill Fowler, an investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, said the plane was likely equipped with DU as counterweights in its wings and rudder.

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 3, 2005 at 9:43 AM

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PENTAGON RADIATION LEVELS

Around the Pentagon there were reports of high radiation levels after 9-11. American Free Press has documentation that radiation levels in Alexandria and Leesburg, Va., were much higher than usual on 9-11 and persisted for at least one week afterward.

In Alexandria, seven miles south of the burning Pentagon, a doctor with years of experience working with radiation issues found elevated radiation levels on 9-11 of 35 to 52 counts per minute (cpm) using a

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 3, 2005 at 9:44 AM

David in Canada,

Excellent posts!  Thank you for the info on aircraft!  I searched high and low and all I found was the article on the El Al Flight LY 1862 that crashed in Amsterdam (October 1992).

What say you, Roger Ramjet?  Natalie?  Any other ideological hacks want to nose around in the tail of a commercial aircraft?

Posted by Pale Rider on Oct 3, 2005 at 10:04 AM

Yes David the aircraft info is good, BTW Rabbit meant to say the same. Especially interesting regarding Pentagon because radiation was measured I believe. Also at WTC’s sites, it may explain the readings, which Rabbit has read about somewhere.
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.Hooray…. Pale Rider… Welcome back, ITT is a good site to check up on complaints as Rabbit said. They do their duty by reacting to complaints, but that is not the end of the issue..
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.Bad luck Natty Ratty - Dodgy Rodgy.
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We have us a DEMOCRACY here, your lying complaints have failed you again..
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Rabbit wonders if the SHILLS dare cry Wolf again?  .
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 3, 2005 at 7:03 PM

Natty Ratty .. Dodgy Rodgy .. Rabbit Dung

Someone do my name please.

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 3, 2005 at 10:49 PM

“He did not head up a study which concluded that there is no safe way to use DU munitions.

Rokke can not support the claims made on behalf of his own experience, let alone the wild claims that he has made about DU.

Roger “

Roger has reminded me how useless it is to argue with right wing nut jobs. 

Coincidentally, Rog, you “can not support” any of your claims against Rokke.  You’ve shown us nothing.

But that’s irrelevant, because Dr. Rokke isn’t the only person telling the world about DU.  And about the Pentagon’s numerous LIES about uranium munitions.

Christian Science Monitor tells us that parts of Baghdad are 300, 1000, 1300 and 1900 times more radioactive than normal cities.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0515/p01s02-woiq.html

I suppose by Roger’s logic that makes the Christian Science Monitor part of Al Qaeda, the communists, and the gay conspiracy wrapped up in one.

http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

Posted by johndoraemi on Oct 3, 2005 at 11:01 PM

The Bob Nichols article is dictated by Doug Rokke, and yes, I intend to unmask him as the phony that he is .. the article is not true.  I am a retired reservist, so is Rokke.  Neither of us is in the active military or has been in the active duty military for many years .. I was on active duty from 69-74.  Rokke was on active duty in 1991 and perhaps 1992.  Bob Nichols is Rokke’s designated hack; he never worked for a real newspaper or as a reporter of any kind before he became Rokke’s hack.

Posted by Ramjet on Oct 4, 2005 at 1:57 AM

Being an unmasked phony yourself Roger Ramjet aka: LTC Roger Helbig,
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How exactly do you :
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A)  Intend to achieve that after failing to do so, dismally all over the internet for so long?
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B)  Think this will make a scrap of difference to the enormous amount of evidence presented above in this thread and elsewhere?
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Did Rokke Shag your old lady or something?

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 4, 2005 at 3:43 AM

Interesting to see Nat and Roger posting about same time, see God Squad thread.
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Things that make Rabbit’s go hmmmmm….................................................^^................................................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 4, 2005 at 3:46 AM

Hi ho,

Rabbit,Rabbit,Rabbit,

I’ve been reading this thread over the past couple of days and it’s occurred to me,as it should soon to you,that Natali(ar)e and Roger(to infinity and beyond!)Ramjet are military/industrial shills.Think hard about that.They are true-believing salemen of the worst sort.No matter what argument you pose,no matter what evidence you present,no matter what method you use short of actually making them sit down and eat a pile of DU,I suppose,will make them admit they are wrong.At least until they quit working for that corporation and the expiration of the confidentiality contract.

I’m on your side,but,well,it does no good to argue with these myrmidons.The only way to win against a machine is to dismantle it.

“Cigarettes do not cause cancer”
-every single tobacco executive

Remember that some opponents will never learn to count their losses,and some have never learned to couint at all.

Posted by wwoods on Oct 4, 2005 at 5:38 AM

Oh,one last thing.

I also believe the whole missile and Pentagon thing is nonsense.This administration is too stupid to pull off such an elaborate hoax.

There is such a thing as dumb luck,and it counts too.

Posted by wwoods on Oct 4, 2005 at 5:48 AM

Actually,they arent dumb at all,wwoods.They have a dumb puppet they use to cover their tracks,(which many of the sheeple,until recently,love).The things done by this administration,may seem dumb,or beyond dumb to you or me,but they are acomplishing exactly what they want. BTW ,did you watch the 3 min movie,I listed above?Can anyone say it was a hoax after seeing it? I guess a bunch of Arabs that could barely fly,armed with boxcutters could have ALOT of dumb luck… Like having the US defences STAND DOWN,at just the right time… or the fact that the airforce was practicing war games,at Chaneys direction,using the senario of hijacked planes THE SAME DAY,so the air traffic controllers didn’t know if there were really hijacked planes,of if they were just for the war games… or the fact that no one of any power flew on public airlines that day,many cancelled there flight plans!I could go on to list about 100 other suspicious things about that day,shall I? How about the expert on explosives,at the scene of the pentagon,who smelled a certain kind of military explosive,immediatly following the “crash”?how is it,people nearby described a missle “whooshing sound"before the attack?Of course that was before the spin masters suggested to them it was a jet plane..ect.. ect.. ad nauseum CAN YOU SAY FALSE FLAG OPERATION? Almost the SAME plan was devised to use to disredit Castro in the “60s,Thankfully,Pres.Kennedy refused to implement it.Kinda makes you wonder why HE was killed.

Posted by Kaw Valley Kid on Oct 4, 2005 at 6:13 AM

Hi Wwoods, it’s good to see you back on this thread, it has come along way and yet nowhere since your last visit I would say. The Rabbit has promised the Shills he will be in their burial party, and it looks like it is forming as we speak.
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Too soon to sing “ding dong the witch is dead”, but we can start to stock up on shovels.
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 4, 2005 at 7:21 AM

KVK how about joining the GOD SQUAD thread, for 911. Natalie has taken up the invitation to take it there, and the fun has barely begun.
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There is already a well dug in Troll, so some interaction between the two species is on the cards, and there is a couple of 911 issues Rabbit would like to share with someone who clearly has been looking at deatils..
I’m particularly interested in establishing exactly how long the buildings took to collapse.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 4, 2005 at 8:10 AM

Hi ho,

Correction on one point.Several of the hijackers were actually armed with lockblade knives.A box cutter is a pretty easy weapon to beat,whereas a folding knife with a blade of three and a half inches,under legal length,is pretty darn dangerous.It does take skill to fly a plane,but not as much as one thinks,especially if you go to flight school.Remember,it’s an airliner and not a fighter jet. 

I can believe in coincidence before conspiracy,naive as that may sound.Primarily because of one point:if the people aren’t dead,where are they.I’d sure the people on that plane were patriotic,and I believe that Mrs.Olsen would do just about anything to help her party.Still can one believe they’d give up the lives and go into hiding to further this administration’s goals?Could the Bush assume they’d all be loyal Republicans—not a democrat or Bush-hater among them?Unless all the people on that plane were murdered and put WAY out of sight,where are they?Still,there’d be some trail.For that matter,where’s the plane?Something that big cannot be landed in some farmer’s field.That means someone,actually quite a few people,would have to know about it’s location.I’m sorry,but the more one examines the details and the logistics,one sees a conspiracy too big to keep covered—especially nowadays.Again,you can kill people to enforce silence,but how many before somebody smells blood and an accompanying rat?

Posted by wwoods on Oct 6, 2005 at 12:23 PM

Oh,I almost forgot.

Don’t get me wrong.I’d love to see the Bush team choke on the bone from an elaborate plot like that you’ve been describing,but I doubt it will happen.

Posted by wwoods on Oct 6, 2005 at 12:26 PM

Wwoods Rabbit has not begun to describe any elaborate conspiracies at all, check.

Merely not accepting the official claims of an elaborate conspiracy, especially where conflicting evidence exists.

The details are being dealt with on God Squad thread, so Rabbit shall not go into them here.

The FACT is thjat 7 of the official list of alleged hijackers is alive and was not involved on 911.

That on its own blows the hijackers story seriously apart. There is as yet no way of knowing all of the truth. The one sure thing is that the official story does not works on any level.

The type of knives is not important, what is important is how we know of any knives, how good is that information?

An example right now is the recent Bali Bombing. How many of you know what happened?

I’ll bet everyone thinks it was suicide bombers?  Well it wasn’t. One bomb was under a table, that I know of and I expect this was so in all of them.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1474901.htm

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 6, 2005 at 6:09 PM

“I also believe the whole missile and Pentagon thing is nonsense.  This administration is too stupid to pull off such an elaborate hoax.”

The people running the show are not “stupid.”  They’re “evil.”  Evil and treasonous. 

I don’t like to delve into the Pentagon crash because it’s impossible to prove one way or another at this point.  So I honestly don’t know what hit the pentagon.

I DO know that nothing SHOULD have hit the Pentagon with 75 minutes of advanced warning and Andrews Air Force Base 10 miles away, and anti-aircraft missile batteries located on the roof there for just this sort of eventuality.

However, IF the Boeing 757 that they claim hit the Pentagon did so, then there would be no reason for them to hide the video from the public, and for them to doctor the 5 frames of alleged surveillance camera footage from the parking lot cam.

The hotel and gas station videos were confiscated within 5 minutes of impact by FBI, never to be seen again. 

The parking lot frames show no plane at all in the first frame,  before the crash.  The crude Photoshop enhanced explosions have placed the image of plane wreckage in other frames, but it is highly suspect.  Several web sites have analyzed how the shadows that should be visible, when the explosion was a bright light source (TOO BRIGHT, BY THE WAY FOR A JET FUEL EXPLOSION—SEE WTC SOUTH SAME DAY) do not show up.  The frame had the brightness levels raised across the whole image, even the parts supposedly in shadow.

What are they hiding?

Why was the first act after the plane crashes to give the executives of the airlines $15,000,000,000?

Which plane went where?

I don’t know.

I do know that on CBS’s web site right now this minute, it says that Flight 77 hit the World Trade Center.  How did that get there?

Posted by johndoraemi on Oct 6, 2005 at 6:14 PM

Hi John

Mostly agree with your take on it. Don’t know.

To quote myself ” I don

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 6, 2005 at 7:58 PM

Or here is another fantasy of mine.

That some of the truth (or new lies) will come out one day and the reason they will give for the delay and cover up will be :

” For reasons of national security “

Don’t you feel better now?

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 6, 2005 at 8:14 PM

John we want you on the God Squad thread but Rabbit is of same opinion as yourself. I also have experience in Pyrotechnics/(inc Chemistry) and E*plos*ves and physics. Easily to the extent necessary to know that the WTCs were brought down with exlosives. I have a private theory about exactly how they did the cores, but the cutters were where they should have been by Rabbit’s reckoning and quite visible if you know what to look for. The timings of the collapses are the most irrefuatble and provable evidence of foul play though. Witnesses such as Rodriguez and co especially but also others gives expected support for explosives as well.

The collapse of WTC 7 is the BIGGEST PINKEST ELEPHANT ever to have been ignored by anybody in any living room in the history of coverups.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 6, 2005 at 9:23 PM

Wearily….....the Rabbit climbs to the top of the pile of Radioctive Poisonous Waste….............he plants a small flag, firmly in the ground…..............and hops away, hopefully for the last time…...............................................

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Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 9:57 PM

Saluting the small flag.

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 9, 2005 at 11:15 PM

Yoh! Rabbit & Good Friends.

Part I

It has been a while.  I have been on other fronts.

I see “Doger Damebget” and “Nat” have been quoting the same old, same old, again and again.
Studies done by Gov. & Corp. shills like them.
They keep a vain hope that they will be the last to post on this thread.
It would mean points for them.

They have never answered my question.
If DU is not a problem why is Nuke generated Waste such a problem in this or any other country.

They are people that

Posted by Eadora on Oct 11, 2005 at 6:25 PM

Part II

I would like now to ask Helbig & Nat.
  What are you defending?
The right to kill with a horrible polluting, disease ridden weapon.

Like

Posted by Eadora on Oct 11, 2005 at 6:28 PM

Part III

This is what Helbig & Natalie have bough into, God help their souls.

You friend Rabbit and your Compadre

Posted by Eadora on Oct 11, 2005 at 6:29 PM

Please Read

Posted by Eadora on Oct 11, 2005 at 6:34 PM

Eadora,

Welcome back.

You are like a knight in shining armour, riding across the desert on a fine arab charger, to our emotional rescue.

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 11, 2005 at 10:31 PM

Small Rabbit sidles up and licks the toes of the mighty Eadora.

Amazon Queen of Rabbit’s heart.

Found some other stuff I wasn’t going to post after all since the number 363 was so pretty.
Since it is now no more, the following might show why they still argue against the war crime angle, in a lame sort of way.

Bush JUNTA actully got exemption for war crimes from UN to start with. They tried to get an extension in 2004, but failed.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CLA20050927&articleId=199

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 12, 2005 at 12:04 AM

Silly Rabbit posted the wrong link.

Here is the right one.  It is really very telling and almost should have a thread of it’s own.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1933.cfm

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These are all new to the thread too thinks Rabbit.

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/DU/DKonDU.html

http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm

http://www.eoslifework.co.uk/du2012.htm

http://www.state.nv.us/nucwaste/news2001/nn11107.htm

http://www.sundayherald.com/32522

http://www.oilempire.us/warcrime.html

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 12, 2005 at 12:15 AM

perhaps 1 shell going off isn’t enough to get poisoned by the DU
But in a war scenario many such shells are fired.
in fact more then 2200+ tons of DU has been exposed to the troops and the IRaq citizens.
Which far exceeds what can be tolerable
Torture,DU,excessive force,desicretion of dead taliban
On a third world country you are there to free?
PETRO ~EURO is the real reason for war and indeed there will be a new nuremburg
the only people left supporting the war are those that are as dumb as a door knob

Posted by skullker on Oct 22, 2005 at 5:30 AM

Since Skulker claims to have accurate information, let’s start with his “one shell going off” .. Depleted Uranium armor penetrators are NOT shells .. a shell contains explosive and kills with shrapnel effect and the concussive blast .. DU armor penetrators do not contain explosive .. they are not shells.  Now, given that he starts off with that wrong information, how much of the rest is accurate .. 2200 tons .. probably not, but no one knows for sure.  What we do know is that even the A-10 tankbuster aircraft only fires one DU bullet out of 5 in a burst.  They also would be armed with DU only when on a mission when they expected to encounter enemy armor.

Posted by Ramjet on Oct 22, 2005 at 4:01 PM

Yoh!  Skullker Mon Ami

In case you are new to this forum.
There are some ten pages to this thread.
It deals with the issue of depleted uranium in some depth.

Roger Ramjet was outted early on.
He is Colonel Roger Helbig USAF.  retread
He is a talking head for the Defense Department

Posted by Eadora on Oct 22, 2005 at 4:57 PM

DU Armor penetrators are shells
they look like a bullet (much larger)
when fired they leave the tank at more then the speed of sound ( must be some explosive to push that shell at those speeds
this causes the outer casing to be broken on contact and when used against armour fragmentation will occur
if used on softer targets no fragmentation takes place yet they split open
either case scenario leaves the deadly contents exposed
4.5 billion yr half life
again all these tactics against a third world nation
America is now looked at as a terrorist state by all countries in the world save for britain which sits with them
sadam is gone its time for America to leave
no peace can be had as long as America remains there
the dumbed down people may believe otherwise
I am a weapons expert All the BS in the world wont work on me
to get the projectile to move you need a propellent
I quoted 2200+  from a source
and they were used on citites as well as tanks
no the tanks were only armed with DU rounds 100% of the time
IT is a convenient way for America to get rid of its nuclear waste
even a 5 yr old knows it takes an explosive to propel the projectile out of the tank they leave the tank at such high velocity = to a 300 magnum high power rifle approx. 4000 ft sec
the outer casing of the projectile is much softer material
and peels easily exposing the inner depleted uranium
shells = catridges as in bullets

RAMJET please do your HOMEWORK

Posted by skullker on Oct 22, 2005 at 5:10 PM

THANKS eadora
rodger ramjet has met his match here I can teach him about ballistics

Posted by skullker on Oct 22, 2005 at 5:16 PM

Poor Old Roger has already been skinned a couple of times here.

But it’s never to late to peel some more bark off the old stump.

Go get him “skullker”  I’m off for a while, and a goodnight to ya all.
Sleep tight R.R.

Posted by Eadora on Oct 22, 2005 at 5:28 PM

shell

  ammunition consisting of a cylindrical metal casing containing an explosive charge and a projectile; fired from a large gun

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/shell

Posted by Ramjet on Oct 22, 2005 at 5:40 PM

For a “weapons expert”, you sure don’t seem to know much .. like the difference between “propellant” and “explosive” .. propellant is what you are talking about as the source of energy that propels the bullet at near supersonic speed out the cannon barrel .. “explosive” is the charge that fills the “shell” .. since DU armor penetrator munitions are not filled with “explosive” they are not shells.  They do not even look like a shell .. they are stilleto shaped so that all that kinetic energy is concentrated at the end of a long thin point to punch through the armor.  They cause explosions of the target’s fuel and ammunition due the intense heat generated on impact, but they do not in themselves explode.  So much for your being a ballistics expert, but then again, I have not met too many of you shills for the anti-DU movement in this discussion who really are expert at anything.  Experts don’t hide behind phony names and they communicate with me directly.

Posted by Ramjet on Oct 22, 2005 at 6:44 PM

Ramjet

Posted by Eadora on Oct 22, 2005 at 7:30 PM

I am not anti Du ,by all means stock pile them to the roof incase of a third world war.but dont use them on a third world country that was stripped bare of weapons by the UN.

if you think that there is no explosive sit on one while it is detonated
propellent : modern day propellent makes a dynamite stick seem like a fircracker.
I don’t want to argue It is not of my nature to do so,but this issue of DU is insane , especially on a third world country that has been defanged by the U.N..
America has made sure all of its nuclear waste doesnt go to waste .
I would even go as far as to say against tanks they are a usefull weapon,but not on the citites there is now a field of
uranium in populated areas that people you are suppose to be freeing will have to live with( or die with)
for many years to come
Anyone that condones this use of DU on populated areas has no morals what soever
The nightmare that will follow up this war of terror will be felt by both the IRAQI and the US soldiers .The soldiers wil have to live with their actions for the rest of their lives .The Iraqi will be mutilated by this for many years.
Sadam(the American puppet) was better for the IRAQI then this
the GOVT. sanctioned torture,DU, defecating the dead Taliban.I thought America was the bringer of freedom, I now see it as the bringer of death.
May god have mercy on their souls

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 5:21 AM

Rabbit sees the dirty Shill, have you licked your wounds you filthy lying skunk Roger Ramjet?  You are a lying shill and like Eadora says you are dead and buried from page one to here, number ten, not once but ten times….......... you are the original Cyber Zombie…................. Lurking here like a maggot still hoping to suck some pus out of an old wound.

You have NOTHING,

You never never scored anything, not a skerrick of a point for your beloved DU.

Rabbit promises any who doubt this that the thread shows a clear case against the use of Depleted Uranium.  It also shows LTC ROGER HELBIG to be a lying pentagon bully and an advocate of war crimes.

Ramjet is an EVIL cockroach and Rabbit wacks him soundly in the head in the name of all life, in the name of all children.

For you and your masters Roger Death Bringer.

MASTERS OF WAR

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

And I hope that you die
And your death’ll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I’ll stand o’er your grave
‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead

                            ....................  Bob Dylan

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 5:56 AM

Yoh GhostRabbit

Can you believe that toad!
Hanging around like a spider in a dark corner just waiting for some guy like the skullker to Be Bop By. 
I guess he figured we had gone fishing!

From:  Posted by Ramjet on October 4, 2005 at 3:57 AM
To:    Posted by Ramjet on October 22, 2005 at 6:01 PM
This guy sat in the Bush. For 18 days!  (pun intended)

These articles show the stubborn refusal of the Defense Department to properly study the problem.

http://www.iicph.org/docs/du_update_1_3.htm

The work by Dr. Hari Sharma of the University of Waterloo is especially revealing.
As is the work or Han Kang of the US Depat. Of Vet Affairs, regarding Birth Defect, rates among the families of Gulf War Vets.  The Gov shut him down and shut him up before his work could be completed.

CHECK IT OUT!  Fellows. 
And

Posted by Eadora on Oct 23, 2005 at 8:09 AM

“I am just a poor boy and my story is often told”

Rodger rAMJET I will not attack you personally you are still a human being.
I am not needed here , eadora handles you with aplomb!
I hold back no punches when I am faced with war mongering fools, that back the use of torture, and the use of DU on civilian populations.The trouble in America is that,
although they only make up 5% of the world’s population,
they have the arrogance of strength that will be it’s down fall.Instead of using that strength to bring the world closer together they use it today to split it asunder.
this arrogance of power is a lesson that America has failed to understand.
to the war mongers that continue to back the war you are as dumb as a door knob please.
” your old road is rapidly changing get out a new one if you can’t lend a hand the time they are a changin|” BOB

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 9:50 AM

Eodora
Yoh!  skullker -
I have to tell you my understanding on DU penetrators, to keep me honest.. 
It is my understanding that DU penetrator round contains no high explosive.
It does not need any!  It is what is called PYROPHORIC. 
U238 is a very hard dense and unstable element.
When it hits anything of moderate density at a high velocity it immediately begins to burn at a super hot temperature.  It immediately melts through any protection and sprays the inside of any tank or building with burning white-hot weird uranium oxides.
It burns into a uranium ceramic gas, and a very find dust containing all sorts of radioactive muck that no mask or clothing can possibly protect you against.

When a projectile hits a target, 70% of its depleted uranium burns
and oxidizes, bursting into highly toxic, radioactive micro particles.
Being so tiny, these particles can be ingested or inhaled after being
deposited on the ground or carried kilometers away by the wind, the food
chain or water.

they wont burn up like that
they are super dense and are made to penetrate thick steel plating
the burn factor is caused by the friction so there will be a partial vaporization of the projectile .but it is designed to not
break up
minute particles do vaporize ,but the dense core will stay 1 piece it will only fragment on armour ,the rounds that were used on the civilians (soft targets cement,toyotas etc..)
will not break up .However the outer casing will split wide open even on soft targets exposing the uranium.
there really is only minute amounts of vaporization of soft targets
minute amounts will kill you just the same though in the long run
I think people are underestimating the amount of radiation
poisoning though
falugah and basara were pounded repeatedly by these tank rounds and radiation levels are said to be = to 1 x-ray
every 2 hours 10 feet away.imagine a child finding and playing with the pieces strewn all over the place
it is not acceptable and the other 95% of the world should have another Nuremburg concerning this and the torturing .
I am not an expert on radiattion effects, those figures I posted were from a site I read which may or may not be accurate .In my books any radiation is not acceptable,
What really bothers me though is BUSH ‘s willingness to use bunker buster nuclear bombs in a preemptive strike on Iran. That to me is unacceptable
are we heading for armageddon .Bush will not back down he is a sciopath bent on filling his and his cronies pockets with both America’s wealth and the middleast’s wealth.

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 10:13 AM

comme une espece de cancer les combatant sont des tete dure
il ya pas des mots pour explique leurs actions
Le dieu vas regles leurs actions c’est la diable qui vas prendre leurs esprit

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 10:24 AM

Dodgy Rodgy, Death from the sky;

Endorsing war crimes makes us cry.

When the truth came out to stay,

Dodgy Rodgy ran away.

Posted by David in Canada on Oct 23, 2005 at 11:11 AM

ghost rabbit I would hate to be your enemy lol

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 4:13 PM

The claim .. “bursting into highly toxic, radioactive micro particles.  Being so tiny, these particles can be ingested or inhaled after being deposited on the ground or carried kilometers away by the wind, the food chain or water” coupled with “It burns into a uranium ceramic gas, and a very find dust containing all sorts of radioactive muck that no mask or clothing can possibly protect you against” is untrue ..

U238, as is all Uranium, is pyrophoric and does spontaneously ignite on impact.  The resultant Uranium Oxide particles, however are not capable of being carried kilometers away in the wind, the food chain or water, they are extremely dense and are confined to a few meters of the point of impact.  The particles also are not so fine that no mask can protect against them, and a mask is only required if you crawling around inside the tank that was hit by the munition.  Extensive studies have been made, not just conjecture, as is common on this forum by the anti-DU loonies who regurgitate the same claims on a several times a day basis and then claim “victory” because each is not successively rebutted.

If you want to learn something, you should read some of them .. the most recent and most comprehensive, based upon actual test firings against an armored vehicle, is at

http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-eleases/2005/def-nonprolif-sec/snl-dusand.pdf

A good series of un-biased articles by Bob Evans, a real investigative reporter of some years standing, is in the Newport News Daily Press

Second article of the series .. Of Rodents and Radiation - Ch 2 - From the Nose to the Brain
http://www.dailypress.com/news/specials/dp-du2,0,4684968.story?coll=dp-speci
al-news has link to all seven articles

Posted by Ramjet on Oct 23, 2005 at 4:51 PM

HELP….................^^................................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 5:39 PM

Rabbit is blocked from other threads, but this one is still working…...................What does it mean…................Keep wacking the Ramjet, TOAD…........Rabbit must solve this problem, seemed like HE had pulled his old tricks again, but why then can Rabbit post here?  Maybe it to will go now, it happened last time like this rolling, help, people if Rabbit disapears e-mail Seamus, the SHILLS have lying tricks up their slimy sleeves.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 5:42 PM

Yoh Rabbit

I’m having problems to.
Done a google search “GhostRabbit”
Almost got yer address
don’t disappear! OK !

Eadroa Pravda   not Eadora

Posted by Eadora on Oct 23, 2005 at 5:54 PM

Still hopping so far…......Rabbit has posted info saying that 30% of the round burns up on contact with armor above here am sure and that is the figure Rabbit is used to anyway.  true about the soft targets, but the stuff is rarely fired at soft targets, and when it is used as it mostly is, in bombs, it ALL burns into Ceramic Uranium Oxide Vapours.  These form EVIL Uranyls on contact with water, which is of course what happens when they are breathed in.  It is also how it is trapped and enters the food chain via rain and I guess, other forms of condensation….......Anyone except Rabbit been in the desert at night?

Ramjet the mangy old spawn of satan.  Death Bringer himself….....................Genocidal Failed Fool of a Pentagon Stool…....................................LOathesome, vile man,  all that can be said about your small box of tricks is that it has all been presented by you before in this thread. You have given the same six references sixty times, now sink back into the pit and await another victim…..............gnash gnash…....failed again….....................The Dragon is getting desperately hungry, but it must stay here in the pit…..........................Cursed to stay forever….......Guarding the stinking pile of Radioactive waste…................

That cursed Rabbit and the terrifying Giant Eadora, the6y always seem to sense its return.  Foiling it’s efforts to catch something to eat….............Angry OLD DRAGON…....................BAD old DRAGon…...............MAD OLD dragon

aaarggg…..................Rooaar….........gnash ....gnash…........................

................................................................................................^^................................................................

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 6:03 PM

Eadora   It might be hacking attacks or something weird….electrons in a tiz…..........Still here..

Better search is Rabbitvoz, but e-mail is no secret, and this is an old one…...........  sgp1963@hotmail.com

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 6:14 PM

Probably the IRE of the Dragon has disturbed the balance of the site for a while, others noticed it too, like a cyber earth tremor almost..  it has stopped and all is quiet again..

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 6:31 PM

Rabbit Yer One Hell Of a Rabbit!

We Stuck another one up the Ramjet’s Pipe!

Yabbidy Gobitus Yadimos!

Give me time.
I got fires in Living Room!

Gotta go fer a bit.

Posted by Eadora on Oct 23, 2005 at 7:11 PM

Rabbit will be hopping about on site for another seven hours or so. It is still morning, sun is shining and Rabbit is Cooking Boats.  First one is due out of the oven soon. 

Put in the boat mix, like cake mix only prettier and no eggs or milk…...............turn on the boat machine…........ cook another boat…................hee hee…..........Rabbit does it and people pay him for the boats.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 7:29 PM

RAMJET are you a looney tune
du is the uranium waste from nuclear reactors
would you want some in your back yard ?

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 10:15 PM

he has already not answered that one…........

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 10:21 PM

Ramjet is lying about nobody knowing how much DU is used.  He wants us to believe that the military does not keep records.

.............D*ckhead….....

The military’s own figures are closer to 3500 tons thinks Rabbit.  They have published the amounts.

It is also in the above thread and well covered.

Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 10:23 PM

lets they fired 100 tons at Basra its probably more weight then that, as the figures i’ve seen so far state 2200+ tons total on Iraq.
for arguments sake Lets 300 tons on Basra
would you want that much scattered about your hometown
this is the stuff they bury in out of the way places yuka MT.
type places
its so toxic and still quite radioactive
if we dumped lets say 100 lbs of it around your house
so your children can play in it
how would you like that
straiten up and fly right !

Posted by skullker on Oct 23, 2005 at 10:25 PM