Radioactive Wounds of War

Don’t ya just hate it Pale Rabbit when someone, in an apparent attempt to distract or diffuse, accuses you of being something or someone you aren’t?  Especially when they have no credible proof thereof and their logic for arriving at such accusations is well.....kooky?

Yeah, I hate it when that happens.

How about you, KVK?  Do YOU believe a missile hit the pentagon instead of a planeload of people?  Do you share this belief with the person cited as an authority in Lindorf’s article, and with another woman “scientist” at the top of the anti-DU speakers list?

Yes,I do believe a missle hit the pentagon.
A plane would of made a much larger entry hole and the soft nose of a huge jet wouldn’t of penetrated so deeply,the way it(what ever it was)did.it was flown as described by air traffic controllers as the way military planes fly.The person who supposedly flew it,couldn’t fly worth a damn ,according to his flying teacher in Florida.to name just a few points.but this is the wrong thread to discuss 9/11 I think. but for a few more points,check out this film http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm

Natalie, you are on the how seat you lowly lier.

All the proof of your lies and deciet is right here in the thread.

Anybody in doubt that you and Roger are directly related, despite your lying claims otherwise, has only to read this thread.

You have been caught in every shilling trick, not once but repeatedly.

Every body who doubt Natalie and Roger are Pentagon Shills can read the thread and see for themselves.

What would Natalie laike them to do?

Just take her word and Roger’s that there is nothing to see here folks, just a crazy Rabbit.

No No don’t read the thread, Natalie and Roger are so trustworthy, just take their word and don’t check. It is of course the Rabbit, who has so many false faces that he can post twenty four hous a day and even simultaneously.

RABBIT SAYS READ THE THREAD. Then come and give these dirty pigs their medicine.

Kaw Valley Kid, Rabbit suspects a smaller jet, probably military and remote, preceded by a missile, like with the WTC’s.

That however Nat the Rat is only an opinion, and we have said as much, does this somehow prove we are crazy?

No bitch it does not. It merely proves we are not going to take anything at face value, when it does not fit. The official story of 911 is a collapsing deck of cards as we speak Nat.

Furthermore there are indeed credible and growing reports that BARBAR OLSEN has indeed been located and arrested. The news is not yet confirmed but is getting stronger.

Do you realise what this would mean for the BIG LIE? Deny it all you wish, you slimy toad, the internet does not exist just in you imagination.

Just as it allowed Rabbit to identify you in about five minutes it will allow anybody to look into this story.

Does Natalie think Rabbit is KVK too?
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How is that Paranoia going sow?

KVK has noticed your famous diversionary tactics instantly, smart Kid reckons Rabbit.

He sounds like he has gotten a taste for your ass too so he may indeed be back to kick it some more. Stick around Nat, and give the Colonel a kick in his puny nuts for Rabbit.

Hee Hee,Yes they are a slimey lot,Rabbit,and I know it if frustrating work outing these obvious Shills,but the name calling will only reduce your crediblity.Let them be undone by thier own stupidity,as they or him,have already done.It is our job to point this out to the good people who believe what the corperate owned <everything> feed them.Don’t lower yourself to the level of this scum.Silly Rabbit,Tricks are for Kids!and the shills of the Corperate America.(sorry,I couldn’t resist!) Hee Hee

Rabbit has been remarkably pleasant to these trolls KVK, a reading of the thread will show some very sweet people have met them and become savagely abusive before long. The only way these people have been able to cope probably was to move away for a bit and count ten, as the pattern of postings will show.

It has been a struggle and Rabbit has certainly taken abuse to the edge of acceptable on any public forum. It has been done after examing the whole site with a view to not stepping over the boundaries.

Rabbit would never have been banned if these trolls had not worked together to lie, but as you.ve seen the lie backfired and Rabbit is exonerated.

Rabbit has freely admitted that some has been borderline, but sailing so close to the edge has not been an accident, Rabbit has indulged his anger and that of others to a point. It can itself serve as some satisfaction to the many fine and decent people who have been and seen and who still seek out this thread for a glimpse of their Tax dollars in motion. Pentagon style.

They are the most loathesome of trolls.

Rabbit is not one to drop the ball for the sake of the man. In this case the Trolls are actually spokesmen for the Murdering faction of the Pentagon, this is as good as proven above.

This makes for an interesting reversal of the usual rules of forum debate. The posters Natalie and Roger and any more of ‘Their’ aliases or buddies, have exhausted every bit of science and pseudo science in a patently failed effort to paint DEPLETED URANIUM, sexy.
They have used masses of band width to repeat proven lies and to use incredinle tactics of dissemination and smoke and mirrors style propaganda. They have nothing new to add, as you can see they will happily begin any and all discussions away from the central topic if it avoids the hard stuff they have never even acknowledged ahs been put to them.

Of more direct relevance at this point is them, they are the only fly in the ointment of truth. Let us examine the Flies says Rabbit.

What are you NOT Natalie?
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Are you not Natalie Helbig now?
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Are you not a Depleted Uranium Shill?
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Are you not here with an agenda?, after a month of “no progress” ?
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Are you not a bloodthirsty Vampire ?
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What are you not?
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So much anger, so little science.  So much written with so few facts.

In the aftermath of the use of ammunition containing Depleted Uranium (DU) during the Gulf War in 1991 and in the Balkans in the nineties, a controversy emerged in the public opinion on the alleged effects of DU on man’s health and on the environment.  Official reports, mainly of military origin, are strongly questioned in the public opinion, being often interpreted as a justification or part of a cover-up.  This controversy reached its peak towards the end of the year 2000, when DU was held responsible for the incidence of leukemia in soldiers of the Italian peace-keeping force.  Having in mind how difficult it is to get scientific facts across to the general public and how strong a distrust there is against official statements, particularly when radioactivity is involved, this report summarizes the present state of knowledge about the effects of DU on man and environment. It bases on a comprehensive re-examination and critical review of the scientific literature, in particular the medical literature and reflects the authors’ collective experience and expertise..........

- Epidemiological studies on persons exposed to DU in Iraq and the Balkans:

Verifiable epidemiological studies on groups of persons potentially exposed to DU exist up to now only for groups of US and GB soldiers from the Gulf War as well as for groups of SFOR- and KFOR-troops and members of civilian humanitarian organisations from the Balkans.  Among a relatively small group of soldiers who evidently had been exposed to DU during the Gulf War, no health problems attributable to DU could be found. Among the British Gulf War veterans, neither the overall death rate nor the occurrence of specific causes of death, such as cancer, are significantly different from those of a reference population. No association between the health problems of many Gulf War veterans (Gulf War Syndrom) and a suspected DU exposition could be found.  In the case of German KFOR soldiers in Kosovo potentially exposed to DU, it could be demonstrated that no significant intake had occurred.  Preliminary results of a medical expertise show that the incidence of leukemia among the Italian KFOR troops is not significantly higher than the incidence in a reference population.  Thus it can be concluded that up to now there is no scientific evidence for health damages among army personal or the civilian population as a consequence of the use of DU-ammunition in the Gulf War and the war in the Balkans.  Controversial Information and reports about dramatic health effects of DU among soldiers of the Iraqi and Yugoslavian army as well as among the civilian population in the areas concerned do not withstand a peer-review.  Therefore they were not considered any further. 

http://www.europarl.eu.int/stoa/publi/pdf/stoa100_en.pdf

P.S.  What’s the latest word on Barbara Olson?  I bet there’s a book deal there somewhere.  What a story she’ll have to tell.  Whatta you wanna bet Foxnews has exclusive interview rights?

http://www.piratenews.org/

You incur the anger of all decent people Nat have you not noticed it.
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IF and it is still IF Barbara Olsen is still alive, you don’t think there might be a wee problem coming up for all the BUllshit?
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What about the Janitor and 27 witnesses to Previous Bombs in WTC on the 911?  Not more problems there Nat?
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Does the fact that 7 at least of the list of 911 Hijackers were never in the USA at the time and are alive and well, make any ripples even in your stagnant pool of a mind Nat? or have you not been prgrammed with these “FACTS”
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You are the issue here Nat and all details about DU are behind us on this thread, you can play dress-ups and pretenders all you wish, you are adding nothing new, just repeating stuff you long since lost. You so pathetic.

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Don’t kid yourself that Rabbit is especially worked up about you, it is enjoyable watching you sqirm and this thread is becoming an awesome tool for getting the issue of Depleted Uranium into the public arena.
....Your presence is so valuable to the case at this point that Rabbit has formally requested some time ago, that no matter what yours and Roger’s postings be left intact.
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Even if you were to try and get banned, by using the obscenities which you are mouthing silently, it won’t work if Rabbit can do anything about it.  So keep on lying from the depths of your humiliation and exposure.

There was a couple of questions and they are very relevant Nat, what is the problem you have when answering simple questions?
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Do you not realise that everyone can see you ignoring very simple straightforward questions?.Not answering them makes you look even more suspicious if that were possible.
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What are you NOT Natalie?
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Are you not Natalie Helbig now?
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Are you not a Depleted Uranium Shill?
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Are you not here with an agenda?, after a month of “no progress” ?
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Are you not a bloodthirsty Vampire ?
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What are you not?
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By the way, seriously.
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You once said that you liked Bunnies Natalie.
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Speaking as a friend and ally of all life and as a Rabbit especially, I must tell you that the thought of a sweet Bunny in your arms is a most terrible one and something that does not give Rabbit any peace of mind.............
...........................Nothing else you have said has been true so far so it is a fair bet any denials of this will not convince anyone either. You could not hold any gentle, helpless life in your arms without breaking it’s neck or biting off it’s head to suck the blood....................>>>>>>>>>>>>.<&l lt;<<<<<<<<

A small point about your quite poorly supported claims, about soldiers of Gulf War not showing signs of DU poisoning.

Excuse Rabbit for pointing out that about 250,000 US service personnel are fully disabled with symptoms which would be said to be DU poisoning if it were not for the desperate attempts by your employers to pretend it isn’t.

Now the Oz government is still not officially admitting OUR disabled vets with “GULF WAR SYNDROME” have DU poisoning, they did immediately stop using DU the moment the reports started coming out saying it is.
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This thread began with an article showing someone who has DU poisoning and showing Birth defects, kind of makes your squarking about “theories” a bit irrellevant.
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Do you have an alternative to explain the DU poisoning like symptoms of many veterans?
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Perhaps you would like to claim those veterans are lying or slacking? If so Natalie remember your Name is on record and those vets are alot closer to you than Rabbit. If Rabbit is hereby risking the lives of US servicemen, at least they have to swim over and get Rabbit.
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More likely you will ignore a hard one like usual and resort to Waffle or you may just say you have no idea what it is but it could not possibly be DU poisoning.....
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Is this what you would like to say Nasty Nat?
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Then maybe you might like to tell us why those soldiers should not be properly tested as is by the way now being legislated for in several states.
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Come Nat, screw all the theories let us look at real life.....

>..But first try those simple questions, lets see how you go with the easy stuff, Name Rank and serial number in essence.
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Do I need Pale Rider to dig up all three for me, Rabbit thinks he has the resources.

Or of course pass the baton to Rambo, so he can ignore the Hard one on your behalf.

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Been there done that.......................^^....................

If we have reached one of those impasses again, where truth has become an obstacle too wide, then they will keep quietly in the darkness, waiting to pounce on anyone who drops by the thread and like any SANE and RATIONAL being says Depleted Uranium is an inhuman and immoral way to wage war..
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...They will be back, just not to Rabbit before enough distance has come between their last massacre and the new stage they percieve for their combined Shilling Act.
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You know, Rabbit, I was thinking about asking you about that issue of the WTC being brought down by explosives.  Thanks for taking the initiative and offering up your thoughts on your own.  Very, very instructive and illuminating.

I believe I’ve addressed most of your questions multiple times.  In response to your self-created fantasy about me being a Helbig, I’ve repeatedly tried, seriously and humorously, to get you to stop making a fool of yourself by pursuing it.  Actually, I’m quite flattered that you would entertain the possibility that the gal from CTG is moi; she seems to be quite accomplished.  Even graduated from college and stuff.  All that guilt about not finishing, and I can fool people this easily.  I’m energized now.  Of course you’re observant enough to know that this particular Helbig (of which there are ~26,000 in the U.S.) is a New York kind of gal and Roger seems to be a California kind of guy.  After gazing upon her somewhat attractive image and observing her impressive resume, does common sense or even a little bird tell you the two would live that far apart?

Am I a DU shill?  Are you a anti-DU shill?  Your answer is the same as mine.  Even if I was, why should that affect YOUR ability to defend your position?  Why do you waste so much time wondering who someone is instead of simply providing solid proof that DU is so harmful.  Where are all the peer-reviewed studies that say so?  James Salsman says we should trust studies from Iraqi scientists under the control of Saddam Hussein.  Do you concur? 

Do I have an agenda?  Yes.  Because Linforff, Rokke, you and others have necessitated it.  My recently acquired “agenda” is simply to defend the good name of the U.S. and the U.S. military against phony charges by leftist pseudo-scientists with a warped view of American motivations.

Did I falsely portray myself as being open-minded on the subject when I actually wasn’t?  Perhaps.  Perhaps I used that as a tool to encourage others to have an open mind.  Guilty as charged.  However, that doesn’t change the fact that I had scarcely heard of DU before reading the article by LIndorff, did my own independent research and politely posted my opinion about the matter.  More research combined with observing the emotion-based arguments (except Salsman) on the other side reinforced my initial conclusions.  When I noticed that several of the links posted by the anti-DU people (yourself included) actually contained powerful evidence contrary to the poster’s stated beliefs, I was alerted to the sloppiness and unreliability of such people.

When I discovered that apparently (and if somehow they have been misquoted I apologize and take it all back) Doug Rokke and Lauren Moret believe in kooky conspiracy theories, assertions that these two commonly quoted “authorities” have misrepresented or exaggerated their qualifications for judging the degree of danger posed by DU rang even truer.

I believe I have made a good deal of progress.  Your inability to respond rationally without resorting to inventing inane conspiracy theories about other people’s identities and motivations is one good indication.  Roger and I have provided links to dozens of peer-reviewed studies by numerous organizations that all contradict the wild claims of the article.  (You, Salsman and KVK provided some as well....thanks!) Rokke’s and Moret’s credibility has been properly challenged, by presenting evidence of disingenuousness regarding their qualifications and the accuracy of their claims (30 of Rokke’s team did NOT die as he once claimed) and by exposing the fact that they (and you and KVK and I wonder how many others) are apparently conspiracy kooks to boot.

You did correctly identify me as a Vampire, however.  I, along with the laws of physics, have drained you and the article of credibility.

More later.......

Natalie you have not really adressed the direct questions, the thread is the proof why do you lie so?

Why would you live anywhere near Roger?
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Natalie, you have been assumed to be a daughter and Rabbit does not actually think Natalie Helbig seems very accomplished the qualifications are just window dressing and the stuff she writes is worthless filler, no more.  Natalie who has no credibility, once pretended to know nothing of DU and yet has never stopped Shilling for this FALSE cause from the start. You are a LIER pure and simple.
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If there was no more to this you would have revelled in pointing it out earlier, no go and the thread is the record. You have posted enough for your modus operandi to be known.

It has already been made clear that the theories about 911 are many and the only thing thjat is known for sure is that almost nothing in the official theory is true. Actual evidence has seen to that.

Leuren and Moret can believe what they like about such unrelated matters but if you thinkl the Missile theory about the pentagon is more kooky than the official lie, then once again you lose credibility, not others.

If all is well why so much energy is being expended to withold the evidence which would prove what happened? LIES is why.

Your tag team effort with Roger are classic and are we forgetting a little sopmething about combined complaints using false accusations?  We are forgetting little things like that Natalie are we not?
Thye US does not have a good name and you and people like you are the reason so your crocodile tears are wasted.

We are not anti-DU people you stupid twat, we are just people. You are the one siupporting an untenable position.

Why do you not support the proper testing of veterans? Because the lies would be exposed.

Why can you not answer the comparison with the fear of a single terrorsit Dirty BOMB? Because your lies would be left naked.

You never had an open mind and at last you admit it.  You fail to realise that as far as Nuclear waste as a weapon of Warfare goes there are no open minds, only the world which knows the truth and that is not under question. The other is part of the Military Industrial complex, who you are shilling for. You have had no buyers in this whole thread, noticed that have we? Everybody of any substance has destroyed everything you have tried to spin, not once but many trimes.

You have never had anybody but your own partner in Crime to agree with anything you have said and he has even less credibility. If you have looked up LTC Roger Helbig, and really did not know him you would have had to pull your head in alone due to the complete lack of credibility Helbig owns. Do you not realise he is the best known Depleted Uranium Shill on the Block and a horrible , rude and abusive man to boot. You are crap just for associating with such vermin.

All your links have been examined and found wanting as it happens so don’t claim anything you have not earned. You have not touched the article, you have not dented the DU issue. It is still evil, banned and insane.

Since you are not Natalie Helbig you won’t mind someone checking up with the returned vets to make sure, they would like to know who is working so hard against their interests, so I hope you are telling the truth Natalie.

You are reminded again you have still not managed anything but proove that someone is desperate to keep the lid on the DU issue.

Anybody who doubts that Natalie is a LIER and a SHILL is invited to read this thread, it is long and she hopes you won’t, go ahead and read the truth here if you doubt. Natalie is counting that you won’t.

Repeats of questions, you lied as expected on the last lot, but the proof is all here.

Try and slime your way through these now.

A small point about your quite poorly supported claims, about soldiers of Gulf War not showing signs of DU poisoning.

Excuse Rabbit for pointing out that about 250,000 US service personnel are fully disabled with symptoms which would be said to be DU poisoning if it were not for the desperate attempts by your employers to pretend it isn’t.

Now the Oz government is still not officially admitting OUR disabled vets with “GULF WAR SYNDROME” have DU poisoning, they did immediately stop using DU the moment the reports started coming out saying it is.
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This thread began with an article showing someone who has DU poisoning and showing Birth defects, kind of makes your squarking about “theories” a bit irrellevant.
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Do you have an alternative to explain the DU poisoning like symptoms of many veterans?
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Perhaps you would like to claim those veterans are lying or slacking?
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Is this what you would like to say Nasty Nat?
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Then maybe you might like to tell us why those soldiers should not be properly tested as is by the way now being legislated for in several states.
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Come Nat, screw all the theories let us look at real life.....

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Why do you think the Australian government stopped the use of DU when it did? Do we maybe not like shooting holes through armour too?
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How do you explain the posts by several veterans on this thread confirming what has been said?
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Mostly though why don’t you support proper testing for the returned troops?

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You will never get a single win on this thread because you have already given it you best shots and they all missed. Stop kidding yourself you are anything but an amusing sideshow for a few people who are having agreat laugh at your expense.

Since the steps are being taken to bring the matter before international court one day and since others are seeking disciplinary action from within the ranks of the military for the illegal use and propagandising of DU it is of some interest that you are identified. You are not just an ordinary poster, you are actually committing a war crime, or at least contributing to the commission of one.

As said before we cannot be sure of what will be the outcome. My guess is ten or twenty years for you and Roger. The rope would seem reasonable though. Here’s hoping.

Natalie you are the enemy of life, and the enemy of US troops who will pay for your lies for the rest of their lives.

Again I say, Damn you..

I love how the shills and media label anyone with an opinion,other than “the official version” of events, conspiracy kooks! It is well known throughout both our countrys history and history in general,that there have been and are many, many true conspiracys.I think the kooks are either the ones that think they can get away with something,or those who try to COVER IT UP. The word conspiracy,has been turned into a dirty word,by those who hold the power behind the media,to more easily defend their undefendable positions,much the way the word libral has been villafide.No more bait please,I’m full.

I agree, KVK, that realities are often different from how they appear in our window to the world...the media.  Skepticism is healthy and the fruits of thinking outside the box are often abundant.

One “reality”, which was recently presented to us by the media, was quite distorted, turns out.  It makes sense however why the media would choose to distort it, and there is pictorial evidence that proves the obviously willful distortion. 

http://tinyurl.com/djxh5

When CBS presented documents purporting to show that George W. Bush shirked his responsibilities in the TANG, the vast majority of viewers accepted them as genuine.  But a closer look at the documents, combined with the knowledge of CBS’s ideological leanings (Rather in particular) led to the realization that the docs were fakes.  Upon reading the investigative report of the incident, it was clear that CBS was duped, but almost willingly.  People within their own employ doubted the documents’ authenticity and warned them not to use them.

However, the difference between believing the CBS documents were fakes, and believing that a missile hit the Pentagon and the WTC was brought down by explosives, is vast.  It makes perfect sense that someone would try to pass off phony documents to help defeat GWB.  And it makes perfect sense that Dan Rather, who has done a poor job through the years of hiding his disdain for Republicans and the Bushes in particular, would buy into it.  There’s plenty of solid evidence to back up the assertion that the documents are fakes.  There’s hours and hours of footage demonstrating Rather’s bitter partisanship.

But it makes no sense on any level that this or any administration would participate in such a nefarious scheme to purposefully destroy lives and financial and military assets.  One would have to imagine the meeting where it was suggested:

“Here’s what we’ll do.  To gain sympathy in the world and get a free pass to imperialize whomever we want, we’ll team up with some middle eastern guys and they’ll provide us cover while we actually bring down the WTC with explosives.  We all know the planes alone couldn’t do that.  And then, instead of actually crashing a plane into the Pentagon, as per my earlier plan, I think we should go with a DU tipped missile.  I like the accuracy and the penetration factor.  I doubt anyone in the Pentagon would recognize missile parts when they saw them.  If they do, we’ll just have em killed.  The CIA has just completed a secret runway in Brazil where we can land the other plane, or maybe we should just crash it into the sea”.

“Sounds good, Rummy, let’s go with that”.  I’ve been itchin’ to do some imperilizin ever since I stole the presidency.”

“Yes, Mr. ‘President’, I know ya have”.  (raucous laughter about the whole room)

Skepticism is good.  But several questions need to be asked:  Do I believe it’s this way mainly because I WANT it to be this way?  Do I have CREDIBLE evidence to back up my suspicions?  Does it make any sense what-so-ever?

These same questions should be applied to the issue of depleted uranium.

I have a question :

I have read (maybe even in this thread) several news articles, after a recent plane crash in Ontario, Canada, which mention that depleted uranium is used as ballast(?) in the wings of some aircraft. Does the type of plane that (alledgedly) crashed into the Pentagon have depleted uranium on board? I could run a search on it but want to see if anyone else knows and/or has considered the possible implications.

I don’t know what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11. Sometimes I wonder if the missile theory isn’t dis/misinormation, created to poison the well, that will be debunked by the eventual release of more footage that will clearly show a plane crashing into the building. Then everyone can rest assured that they were being told the truth all along and sleep well at night that (all) the whacky conspiracy theories are delusional rantings.

Am I crazy? To ask questions like this? Or is it healthy skepticism?

David, Rabbit agrees that the missile, especially the missile on it’s own theory is dis-info. The story traces back to that Viall gentleman Rabbit once mentioned, which makes it suspect. Incidentally that is also Rabbit’s main sticking point with the abiotic origins of OIL theory. And a few others, which I would otherwise consider more probable on theory alone.

Healthy Sceptisism David, the kind Natalie mistakenly claims. One is right to be sceptical of anything unless it is either very believable or backed by enough evidence to make it so.  This is why Rabbit does not believe the airliner which is alleged to have hit the Pentagon, did. But there is some evidence for there having been a smaller plane, and this is of several different types from pictorial, of wreckage and damage, as well as anecdotal from several sources and conclusions which have logically been inferred from circumstantial evidence.

Enough for Rabbit to go with a smaller plane, probably specially fitted, and possibly with missile or explosives, the damage was not caused by a lump of Aluminum plane which is so weak a battering ram by the governments own attempts to explain the small entry hole, that it crumpled like a leaf, as would be expected when hitting such an immensely strong and newly re-inforced section of what is not just your average summer house construction.

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Natalie you dirty little lying SHILL. Take your sleazy ass over to another trhead, where all your recent lies on behalf af Bush and Co are being dealt with in better context. You have just raised some very un-related matters which can easily be turned against you, they are of no consequence to the 911 questions which are after all the most important to the whole case. Just how evil and depraved are your masters.

It seems completely obvious that you are merely trying to lose the DU issue in the new debate, but if you have any interest in 911 as an issue the thread is now in full swing on the God Squad and it is looking set to outrun this thread. You even have new friend there, but he needs help with coming up with sources all he has is a faith based argument. You two sould get alomg fine.

As for 911, Rabbit will happily Fry your ass on that one. We all will. It will be too easy.

Stop shilling for the DU on this thread, by taliking about 911 now. The Rabbit will otherwise begin to discuss with others the possibility of “adjusting” this thread for readability, if you think this to be a hollow threat, you do not begin to concieve of how poorly you stand, in credibility, respect or position.

Are you just a LIER for DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS? or do you actually have any other opinions?

If you do then stop lurking here amongst the Radioactive Wounds OF WAR, and comeout into the light a little. Get out of your NUCLEAR cave, if you don’t want to be seen as a NUCLEAR BITCH....and nothing else.

Another thing Nat. You have at the least managed to prove that someone might be able to cobble together a defence of DU use to people who don’t read the whole thread and don’t bother to check all sources when a valis challenge is presented.

Frankly that is the best you could ever have hoped for. Come on, your last post showed to Rabbit that you had finally read the whole thread., It was patently obvious you had never done so before that. Now honestly at what stage do you really think you were in front on the issue?  Keep it to yourself, we know the answer as well as we know the answer you must give. Why bother? 

Now Rabbit knows that tactical thinking is not a strong point, either for you or your masters, assuming such do actually exist.

Therefore Rabbit is pointing out something that should have occurred to you long ago, you can only go down from here.
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Now the trick of leading the thread off topic at this point, will serve a number of ends, none of them good from your point of view.
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First you will be doing exactly what a Shill would be expected to do, and EVERYONE knows this. Thus your belated attempts to try and keep your SHILL status secret, will also continue to take a hammering, and Nat they are already flat.

Second you are begginning to attract a crowd, and on a site which is itself seeing an upswing of interest and which already boasts a very intelligent and well informed core group of posters, this is not likely to be good for you. You will at least have to call for re-inforcements. Costly and frankly sending good people in after bad or at least compromised, American as it is, is unwarranted where no lives are yet in danger. Best to cut your losses. If your masters exist and are military men, you are probably just the tip of the iceberg into which your government is about to run the Ship of state. The effects of being caught between things with such massive momentum are predictable. You are stuck in this foxhole until relieved or dead. Rabbit will be in the grave digging Party if this is the case, that is a promise.

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Rabbit as a teller only of the truth, with no agenda and honest Rabbit, fears no defeat from you. So don’t start more Natty the Ratty or Rude RAmjettery. You are not more than a fly on Bunnies nose. He is watching you and treating you frankly with about the same mix of indifference and interest, as a small black Rabbit I know would do to such a fly. Two of them at once might get knocked to the floor, but just as content to watch their silliness and not get too worked up about it on the whole.
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The Third problem you will have from now on, is that since you have introduced a Substantial New topic 911 into the equation you have made an enormous blunder. Probably you assumed that by taking what you must percieve to be some crazy conspiracy line and introducing it to bring discredit on others. Not a wise assumption. For a start people round here know what a theory is and they know what conspiracy means. We only use the two together to mock people like you, we are all capable of discerning that neither word on its own or in combination is anything but a neutral noun verb combination. By that Rabbit means it neither strengthens nor debunks anything on its own.  We are open minded, well informed and trust me guys Rabbit knows we are going to pin you, and slice you into mince meat on the 911 if it is your intention to defend anything even remotely like the official story.
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If you doubt this you are in for one hell of a rude awakening. Are you unable to browse freely on your comptuer Natalie? Rabbit has wondered before if maybe you were somehow restricted to what you can view. Rabbit knows of several cases of people he knows whose web provider does not allow them to access many sites, which are otherwise very popular and very reliable sites with many. Restriction of information seems the only way Shills could actually function and sound so convinced, it would also explain what is obvious to those of us who can see whatever we want, Shills hardly ever read and trace sources. Usually just replying with standard lines which always alerts others who do check the sources. It is by the way one of the many indicaters which tells observant people much about others, via no more than words. What you most wish and don’t we all, is that your words said all you want to say. The problem is after a bit those words begin to tell their own story, much of it is between the lines so to speak, much of it is style and format, some is observation and deduction but it all springs from your words and after a while it becomes easir and easir to hear the truth we are seeking from your words, not the things you are seeking to establish from your words. You have long since crosseed the point where any words of yours could further the DU cause, or any cause on this thread.
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The result of drawing the two issues together is the most serious mistake you will make. Rabbit is cool with it, if you wish to abandon all tactical reason and now take onboard your leaking cause, an even faster shinking ship, who is Rabbit to deny you the opportunity.  The result will be that two issues which have not been connected before will now bring many people from both areas of interest to the same table.  Now the problem for you is this. Most of those who will challenge 911 alternative theories and some who are doing so right now will without any doubt be confronted with Depleted Uranium as an issue. Rabbit can assure you that most of these people know next to nothing about the fact of DU and that it is being used as it is.  Rabbit is willing to bet a whole bushell of Carrots that most if not all of those folks are going to have a tough time accepting DU the way you would like them to. Therein lies your worst nightmare. Indeed Rabbit is posting this last one in a bid to lay the groundstone for this wonderful thing.
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We have some compelling stuff to come, and if it is to be dealt with on this thread simultaneously as with THE GOD SQUAD, then what could be better.  For the most part Rabbit does not go too deeply into DU on other threads, just enough to test the waters, Rabbit is a cautious creature, fools rush in and all.  The damage that will be done to the 911 official story is already predictable, we shall be taking a few new things on board all of us and Rabbit has at least one new thing to add, maybe. But we should know by now that Dittoheads, Trolls and Shills, and Morons, will be leaving no wiser, there is little chance for those who are merely misinformed, like WTH. We will gain from the exchange and that will be that.
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What if we have such a Lovely pasture as this “Radioactive Waste Dump” to graze on while we deal with the issues?
How comfortable will the government supporters be seeing not only the lies about DU being spread but they will have to receoncile that with the Government would never do such evil, which is of course their final and irrevocable argument..

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All those who read this thread and have come this far, who still doubt your government could do such evil as allow or even orchestrate 911, how do you feel about that leap of faith now that you see what they are doing with “Nuclear Waste”? See how they even put a huge and ongoing effort into lying about “DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS” and trying to make them seem sexy. See how they do this and ask yourselves what would 3000 lives mean to them, just because they were mostly Americans? They made sure the buildings were insured in a most propitious manner for the Lessee and for the owners.
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In the interests of you mostly therefore Rabbit offers the following truce.
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STOP NOW, Drop it, and join the other thread, if you wish. There Rabbit will treat you as not much different to any other, no Shill word will be used at you, unless you re-earn the title, independantly. Rabbit will not refer to this thread even, if you don’t, that is fair, it is conditional but it is a truce which serves your interests as indicated, so that you may know, Rabbit desires it simply because he has other things to take care of and am sick of going round the mulberry bush on this one.
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You stop now, Rabbit will not post on this thread agin unless you or Ramjet start up again. Rabbit feels some responsibility over you, since you are his SHILLS, and you have never lost your bite, despite massive beatings with the stick. For this Rabbit commends you.

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the Choice is yours Natalie, and Dodgy Rodgy, begone, and Rabbit will do likewise. KVK and DAVID and WHIT and others will welcome a better battle than poor old “OPINIONS’R’US”. better known as Jay. You might be a worthy opponent there, at least you are not afraid of Rabbit, Jay is rather scared of Rabbit and it is a bit sad, Rabbit has to rely on others to re-ask Jay things for he ignores Rabbit, in his Terror.

Here is a fact to chew on :

Iraq, Afghanistan, the Balkans, have all become, to a greater or lesser degree, very large, toxic nuclear waste dumps through the actions of certain countries that have decided to use toxic nuclear waste for bullets and bombs.

Opinion to chew on :

Nukes, dirty bombs, depleted uranium, toxic nuclear waste, call it what you will, in the end, it is, or should be, hopefully, one day, a war crime.

David of Canada .. you have a poor grasp of facts .. your rhetoric is strong, but you are clearly fact challenged .. what is your relation to rabbit dung?

You initially posed a good question.  DU has been used for counterweights on aircraft for a number of years .. it is extremely dense, more dense than lead and a DU counterweight thus can be much smaller than one made out of any other material.  DU has also been considered to make small fork lift vehicles since the counterweights can be be substantially reduced in size.  This enables much closer aisle spacing in warehouses.

None of the locations that you cited are in any way considered to be radiological materials waste dumps.

Thanks for your kind offer, Rabbit, but I think I’ll reserve the option to post more here in the future as it relates to DU, or other issues that might serve to inform about the motivations, qualifications and judgment of those who might disagree with me about the degree of danger posed by the use of DU in proportion to the benefits thereof.

I take issue with your characterization of me and others that advocate for the use of DU as people who somehow don’t care about the health and lives of our soldiers, or civilians close to a battle situation.  My opinion, based on evaluating the amount and quality of information put forth by all parties, is that DU is minimally dangerous, is nothing close to being properly described as “nuclear waste”, and is certainly an integral part of our ability to win battles quickly with MANY less casualties on BOTH sides, as well as contributing to an overall deterrent effect.

Saddam Hussein tried mightily to deprive us of our ability to use depleted uranium weapons.  Based on the type of medical research he carried out on who he once considered to be HIS people, I somehow don’t think their health was his primary motivation.

Rabbit hoped you would be so stupid and indeed expected it. Like I said I’ll be in your burial party SHILLS.
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Frankly Natalie I don’t care what you take issue with. You are advocating a war crime. You are advocating the use of something which has for sixty years been known to be dangerous, it forms the bane of the Nuclear Industry, how to dispose of the waste. You are so foul you would try and twist the truth, god knows how because you are not succeeding, just so that people can be killed more efficiently.
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You have the temerity to “Take Isuue” with being called “people who somehow don’t care about the health and lives of our soldiers, or civilians close to a battle situation”
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Bad luck because you are doing exactly that, and you can lie all you want, it is here in black and white. 
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You cannot do more as I said than establish there may be some questions about some of the dangers of the stuff. The best you can do is say there is doubt.
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Fine, then how about we eliminate the doubt by “TESTING” the people properly. They are asking for it, the medical authorities are asking and now, in case you don’t know, several states are legislating for testing.
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All the deatils about the ACTUAL results of testing is in this thread and it has been raised repeatedly, including not least the article which preceds this thread. Including anecdotal evidence from experienced soldiers, on this thread none of whom agreed with you. Sacase popped up twice and did nothing more than prove he too was connected to the propagation of the Lies, by anouncing his role. He never defended anything and skedaddled when called out.
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Nobody likes you or Roger you have been called Evil and many other fould thgings by people who are well enough represented on this site that you come across as really stupid whenever you try and call us anything except open minded, well informed people..
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rabbit will be posting all about the lies of 911, as you have raised them and at the same time, doing what he otherwise promised noy to, refer to your Shill status and advertise the DU Lies in conjuction with the 911 case. The two together will as promised really light a fire under your ass. You are toast.
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You LIE when you talk about your opinion. It has been PROVEN time and again that you have none. You have a set line you are locked into and cannot let it go. All the FACTS and LOGIC and reasoning in the world will never shift you. You are locked to the most revolting act of Genocide in history, if you are too stupid to see this I do not care. You are so disgustingly repulsive, with your treasonous abuse of the lives of your own service personell. You and anybody like you are the filthiest vermin on this planet.
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You have been given LOTS of sources from many different sources to prove the facts upon which mine and others’ opinuions are formed. Having done so I no longer feel obliged to re-post these. You have only kept referring back to the same outdated reports, or limited reports or bits of reports taken out of context. You have a handfull of references, but have been offerred upwards of a thousand which illustrate the contentions of others on this thread.
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Any in doubt can go to the beggining of the thread, and check.
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You are a SHILL, long since proven so your evaluation of facts is a foregone conclusion. If your opinion was worth shit, you would never have tried to pass yourself off as an open minded party, seeking clarificataion of an issue, which you did.
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Go back to page one and read the first post of this VERY STUPID SHILL people.
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Saddam Hussein, who Rabbit didn’t even know had his people checked, has nothing to do with anything, dumb shill. The tests which you are resisting being carried out will be everything. The tests are being carried out as we speak in Australia, in the USA and in Britain. It is only a matter of time before the piper will be coming to call, so shill on.
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Your whole set of lies relies on there never being any testing done.  HA HA HA HA HA............
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You still have not ever faced any of the actual simple questions put to you any of which would be your undoing, and that is why of course.
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.The slow suffering and disabling of so many soldiers after the fact is a small price to pay for doing as much damage to the enemy for the longets amount of time. That is what you are saying you GROSS TOAD. 250,000 disabled veterans with a mystery disease from the GULF WAR. “GULF WAR SYNDROME” shows the symptoms of DU poisoning. Testing of the disabled for DU poisoning, has shown positive, in cases privately funded. The remaining 250,000 are waiting to be diagnosed, the testing will do it. Forget the radiation you Stupid Shilling Sheila, this was never the main issue, it is just the one you are instructed to stick to. The Uranyls are the main problem as has been pointed out on this thread and proven.

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It is NUCLEAR WASTE NATALIE. It is the same stuff my government is trying to figure out how to deal with because our nuclear export potential may require us to take back the Depleted Uranium Waste. Something nobody wants.
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Funny that Natalie, it would after all be in lead and concrete lined drums and buried. It’s not like it would vapourised all over the country, after all. Maybe you think it’s safer to vapourise it Natalie?  Funny girl.
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If the disabled from the GULF WAR who appear to be suffering some “MYSTERY DISEASE” with DU poisoning like symptoms, sounds bad at 250,000, think about this.
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Only a few hundred tons of the stuff was splattered around then, we’re up around 3500 tons in Iraq so far in two years.
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By the way Natalie and Roger the Goose, you might as well stop talking about DU shortening the WAR ir saving US lives. If you think Iraq is going well, well what can Rabbit say.
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If you think Civilian casualties of upwards of 150,000 so far and the US losses which even without the many thousands of mercenaries is way over 2000, is an improvement then the question is begging, what would you have considered bad?
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“Private Contractors”....., mercenaries sell their gun, what do “Private Contractors” do which is different?
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It’s been said before Nat and Rog you are long since dead and stinking.

DAVID is obviously another one of Rabbit’s huge army of Anti DU-Shills, of course Roger.
Actually he like everyone else on the thread just knows you are full of crap, and a SHILL.
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He like others is just pointing to some of the things which they know or how they feel about those things. David’s point is relevant and is made so by the entirety of this thread. Roger still hasn’t figured out that all the previous pages on the thread are still accessed by people, and can be read, just because he assumes that everything posted somehow replaces the previous postings.
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Rabbit has said before these shills may be on computers with controls which keep them inside certain strict information zones. It would explain a lot actually.

“None of the locations that you cited are in any way considered to be radiological materials waste dumps.”

Roger Ramjet, shame on you!  Shame on you, LTC Helbig for lying and for trying to scare off good people who have proved you wrong time and time again!

See the following:

The use of DU weapons by the U.S., the U.K., and NATO in Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosova, and possibly Afghanistan over the past decade led to investigation and opposition in several countries.

In 1999, MTP, the Laka Foundation (Netherlands), and the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium (UK) began the first attempt to create an international coalition against DU weapons by organizing a DU workshop at the Hague Appeal for Peace.

In 2003, MTP and several organizations in other countries co-founded the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons (ICBUW), an extension of the effort begun at the Hague Appeal for Peace in 1999. ICBUW is a collaboration between grassroots organizations and technical experts to end the use of uranium and other radioactive materials in weaponry.
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And also, see the following:

THE OTHER SIDE OF JUSTICE
Tamara Stupar

NIN, 10/30/97

The Gulf Syndrome in Bosnia

The Federal Committee’s report on the investigation of war crimes in Bosnia-Herzegovina contains data stating that NATO aviation used radioactive projectiles during the bombing of Republika Srpska and Knin Krajina; however, that document is coded “strictly confidential” and is not available to the public.

While the authors of the Dayton peace plan feverishly attempt to preserve the mosaic of a state whose future is still uncertain, medical specialists and members of some ecological movements and organizations have been warning for two years that the people there were not only victims of mutual destruction, but were also victims of a morbid NATO experiment of which the consequences, with certainty, will be far reaching.

Against both the hypocrisy of the Western political and military establishment and the local political and state ruling circles—who declare to support human values and principles while at the same time silently approving participation in the unscrupulous destruction of lives of “ordinary people” whose existence is often reduced to a mute testimony of their own helplessness—an isolated, and usually lonely, voice speaks out.

Dr. Zoran Stankovic (age 43), a pathologist and the head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at the Military Medical Academy in Belgrade—who as a member of the Yugoslav Committee for investigating war crimes was in Republika Srpska in the fall of 1995 immediately after the bombing by NATO forces, and later continuously toured the most endangered locations—said to NIN that occurrences of “gulf sickness” are evident in the population. That syndrome in its mildest form is manifested by CNS disorders, psychological discomforts and digestive problems; its most acute form is manifested by a rise in malignancies, leukemia and higher numbers of stillborn babies.

Increased records of “gulf sickness” occurrences in the regions of Sarajevo, Foca, Doboj and Knin, are the basis of suspicion that NATO aviation—in violation of the Geneva Convention’s protection of war victims—used radioactive projectiles (whose penetrable armor contains weakened uranium) in Republika Srpska and Knin Krajina, just like during operation “Desert Storm” in southern Iraq in 1991, says Dr. Stankovic.

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LTC Helbig, stop your shameless campaign of lies.

More on the use of DU in the Balkans:

According to his statements, official precise data on the relationship between the rapid increase of, above all, malignant illnesses in Republika Srpska and the type of weaponry that NATO used during the bombing, is not yet available. Unofficially, however, we learned that the report by the Yugoslav Expert committee confirmed that the Allied aviation used radioactive projectiles; and due to the strictly confidential nature of this information, that document is unavailable to the public.

When asked why official Belgrade sources and the ruling heads of Republika Srpska are silent about this, Stankovic hopelessly shrugs his shoulders, stating that by not recognizing or marginalizing the problem, it is in effect a defense against responsibility.

He, however, announces that at the end of November he will, with the help of his colleagues (medical specialists of different backgrounds), begin research aiming to confirm the now hypothetical relationship between different manifestations of the radioactive syndrome and the weaponry which the Allied military forces—whose members are pro-democracy oriented and very sensitive to questions of human and minority rights—experimented with on the Serbian soldiers and civilians in Bosnia and Croatia. The first results of this painstaking research, which, according to Dr. Stankovic’s statements, is motivated solely by humanitarian and professional conscience, and whose financial basis is still uncertain, will be known at the latest by March of next year.

He emphasizes that precise data would enable the leadership in Republika Srpska to start an inquiry into NATO’s responsibility, and to request material compensation for the victims of the bombings.

The president of the Council of the New Green Party, Branka Jovanovic, who in the past two years has publicly warned of the tragic and long term consequences of using radioactive weapons in Bosnia, told NIN that Republika Srpska “is probably just another experimental region where the U.S.A. used nuclear projectiles.”

As support for this thesis she cites a recent public admittance by the assistant U.S. Secretary of Defense Kenneth Bacon, who confirmed in a Japanese newspaper Mainichi Shimbun that during a military exercise on the island Torisima near Okinawa “there occurred an incident, and by mistake 1520 radioactive projectiles were fired.” Bacon explained that weakened uranium (U-235 and U-236), in spite of confirmed radioactivity, is used because of its hard alloy in the penetrable armor of the projectile.

According to Bacon’s statement, after this incident created waves in the Japanese media, the bombs were transferred to South Korea, and later to the American naval base in Guam. Not a single Pentagon official, however, has denied the claim that the warehouse of nuclear projectiles has still not been transferred from the Japanese military base of Iwakuni Yamagushi, even though this was demanded by the local officials.

Jovanovic states that in June of this year Mainichi Shimbun published results of a research study done by the American military institute AFRI, which says that bombs containing weakened uranium cause cancer. The military institutes GOA and AEPRL simultaneously warned that the use of these weapons directly endangers the soldiers who handle them. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark confirmed to the Japanese newspaper that after using radioactive projectiles in southern Iraq, which he characterized as a crime, a rise in the cases of leukemia, cancer and tumors in children were recorded.

Jovanovic also says that another indication is the unambiguous warning to members of SFOR in Bosnia not to drink local water and not to touch grass or earth with their hands.

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LTC Helbig and your various shills: travel to these regions and tell the people poisoned by DU how they are safe and have nothing to worry about…

Basic numbers on the widespread use of DU: even CNN contradicts the good LTC Helbig and his parade of shameful lies.

Uranium arms warning issued in 1991
January 15, 2001

LONDON, England—Nuclear safety advisers for the British Government warned 10 years ago about the potential health hazards of controversial uranium tipped weapons.

The UK Atomic Energy Authority’s 1991 report warned that depleted uranium (DU) shells left in Kuwait after the Gulf War were potentially harmful.

DU weapons have been linked—although there is no solid scientific proof—to illnesses among peacekeepers who served in the Balkans, where the weapons were also used.

The report, which AEA confirmed to CNN.com was published in full in 1998 in response to a parliamentary question. It was publicised as senior medical officers of the 19-member NATO alliance met in Brussels on Monday to examine reports of health problems.

The special meeting of the Committee of the Chiefs of the Military Medical Services (COMEDS), which normally assembles twice a year, was being held at the Belgian Defence Ministry. 

The AEA report said: “Handling heavy metal munitions does pose some potential hazards, as does the possibility of the spread of radioactive and toxic contaminations as a result of firing in battle… and can become a long-term problem if not dealt with …and [pose] a risk to both military and civilian population.”

The report said the tank ammunition fired by British and U.S. vehicles in the Gulf War amounted to 50,000 pounds of depleted uranium.

If that amount of DU was inhaled it could kill 500,000 people, but the report added: “Obviously this theoretical figure is not realistic; however, it does indicate the significant problem.”

The report said “the DU will be spread around the battlefield in varying sizes and quantities, from dust particles to full-size penetrators (tank shells and air-launched systems) and it would be unwise for people to stay close to large quantities of DU for long periods.”

It warned that there was an urgent need to clean up DU shells in Kuwait because of the risk of radioactive contamination.

The report’s existence was highlighted the day after the chief prosecutor for the International War Crimes Tribunal said NATO’s use of depleted uranium could be investigated as a possible war crime.

Carla del Ponte said “if we have sufficient elements we will be obliged to investigate” whether the use of the heavy metal in the Balkans conflicts constituted a war crime.

DU weapons were used in the Balkans by U.S. Air Force A-10 aircraft against Serb armoured vehicles.

DU, used in the tips of missiles, shells and bullets to boost their ability to penetrate armour can be turned on impact into a toxic radioactive dust, some defence experts say.

The Pentagon says 31,000 rounds were fired during the 1999 war over Kosovo. In U.S.-led airstrikes in Bosnia in 1994 and 1995, about 10,800 rounds were fired around Sarajevo.

Several NATO member states, including Italy, are now carrying out their own health and scientific investigations into a possible link between the use of the weapons in the Balkan wars and cancer-related deaths among servicemen serving in the region.

Switzerland’s defence ministry said on Sunday it planned to check the health implications of DU weapons test-fired in central Switzerland 30 years ago.

Russia, meanwhile, is calling for an international conference of specialists to look at the problem within the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe.

Rudolf Scharping, the German defence minister, said he sees no link between reported leukaemia cases among German soldiers and the deployment of German peacekeepers to Kosovo.

LOW INTENSITY NUCLEAR WAR

by
Michel Chossudovsky

Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, author of “The Globalization of Poverty”, second enlarged edition, Common Courage Press, 2001.

The death from leukemia of eight Italian peacekeepers stationed in Bosnia and Kosovo sparked an uproar in the Italian Parliament, following the leaking of a secret military document to the Italian newspaper La Republicca. In Portugal, the Defense Ministry was also involved in what amounted to a deliberate camouflage of “the cause of death” of Portuguese peacekeeper Corporal Hugo Paulino. “‘Citing “herpes of the brain’, the army refused to allow his family to commission a postmortem examination.” Amidst mounting political pressure, Defense Minister Julio Castro Caldas advised NATO Headquarters in November that he was withdrawing Portuguese troops from Kosovo: “They were not, he said, going to become uranium meat”.

As the number of cancer cases among Balkans “peacekeepers” rises, NATO’s cover-up has started to fracture. Several European governments have been obliged to publicly acknowledge the “alleged health risks” of depleted uranium (DU) shells used by the US Air Force in NATO’s 78-day war against Yugoslavia.

The Western media points to an apparent “split” within the military alliance. In fact there was no “division” or disagreement between Washington and its European allies until the scandal broke through the gilded surface.

Italy, Portugal, France and Belgium were fully aware that DU weapons were being used. The health impacts --including mountains of scientific reports-- were known and available to European governments. Italy participated in the scheduling of the A-10 “anti-tank killer” raids (carrying DU shells) out of its Aviano and Gioia del Colle air force bases. The Italian Defense Ministry knew what was happening at military bases under its jurisdiction.

Washington’s European partners in NATO including Britain, France, Turkey, Greece have DU weapons in their arsenals. Canada is one of the main suppliers of depleted uranium. NATO countries share full responsibility for the use of weapons banned by the Geneva and Hague conventions and the 1945 Nuremberg Charter on war crimes.

Since the Gulf War, Washington launched a “cover-up” on the health impacts of DU toxic radiation known as the “Gulf War Syndrome”, with the tacit endorsement of its NATO partners.

While NATO had until recently denied using DU shells in the 1999 war against Yugoslavia, it now admits that although it did use DU ammunition, the shells “have negligible radioactivityÉand [a]ny resulting debris posing any significant risk dissipates soon after the impact.” While casually denying “any connection between illness and exposure to depleted uranium”, the Pentagon nonetheless concedes --in an ambiguous statement-- that “the main danger posed by depleted uranium occurs if it is inhaled.”

And who inhales the radioactive dust, which has spread across the Land?

The shrouded statements from European governments convey the uncomfortable illusion that only peacekeepers “might be at risk”, --i.e. radioactive particles are only inhaled by military personnel and expatriate civilians, as if nobody else in the Balkans were affected. The impacts on local civilians are not mentioned.

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More to follow: a pattern emerges and the lies cannot continue to be told without being countered by the truth.

Shame on all of you for lying about the dangers of DU.

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In docile complicity, a new media consensus has unfolded: the mainstream press concurs without further scrutiny that only “peace-keepers” breathe the air. “But what about everybody else."6 In Kosovo some 2 million civilian men, women and children have been exposed to the radioactive fallout since the beginning of the bombing in March 1999. In the Balkans, more than 20 million people are potentially at risk:

“The risk in Kosovo and elsewhere in the Balkans is augmented by the uncertainty of where DU was dropped in whatever form and what winds and surface water movements spread it further. Working the fields, walking about, just being there, touching objects, breathing and drinking water are all risky. A British expert predicted that thousands of people in the Balkans will get sick of DU. The radioactive and toxic DU-oxides don’t disintegrate. They are practically permanent.”

Keep in mind that the heavily armed “peacekeepers” together with United Nations staff and civilian personnel of “humanitarian” organisations entered Kosovo in June 1999. The spread of radioactive dust from DU, however, started on “day one” of the 78 day bombing of Yugoslavia. With the exception of NATO Special Forces --who were assisting the KLA on the ground-- NATO military personnel was not present on the battlefield. In other words, there was no radioactive exposure to NATO troops during a “push button” air war, which the Alliance forces waged from the high skies. Yugoslav civilians are, therefore, at much greater risk because they were exposed to radioactive fallout throughout the bombings as well in the wake of the war. Yet the official communiquŽs suggest that only KFOR troops and expatriate civilians “might be at risk” implying that local civilians simply do not matter. Only servicemen and expatriate personnel have been screened for radiation levels.

CHILDHOOD CANCERS

The first signs of radiation on children, including herpes on the mouth and skin rashes on the back and ankles have been observed in Kosovo.8 In Northern Kosovo --the area least affected by DU shells (see Map at http://balkans.unep.ch/du/targetmap.html)—160 people are being treated for cancer.9 The number of leukemia cases in Northern Kosovo has increased by 200 percent since NATO’s air campaign, and children have been born with deformities. This information regarding civilian victims --which the United Nations Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) has been careful not to reveal--- refutes NATO’s main “assumption” that radioactive dust does not spread beyond the target sites, most of which are in the Southwestern and Southern regions close to the Albanian and Macedonian borders.

These findings are consistent with those from Iraq, where the use of depleted uranium weapons during the 1991 Gulf War resulted in “increases in childhood cancers and leukemia, Hodgkin’s disease, lymphomas, and increases in congenital diseases and deformities in foetuses, along with limb reductional abnormalities and increases in genetic abnormalities throughout Iraq."11 Pedriatic examinations on Iraqi children confirm that:

“childhood leukemia has risen 600% in the areas [of Iraq] where DU was used. Stillbirths, births or abortion of fetuses with monstrous abnormalities, and other cancers in children born since [the Gulf War in] 1991 have also been found.”

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COVER-UP

The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Health Organization (WHO) have tacitly accepted NATO-Pentagon assumptions concerning the health impacts of depleted uranium. When UNEP conducted its first assessment of DU radiation in Kosovo in 1999, NATO refused to provide the mission with maps indicating the locations of “affected areas” (points of impact where DU shells had fallen).

On the pretext that “there was insufficient data available to comprehensively address the issue of the impacts of depleted uranium ordnance,” UNEP produced an inconclusive and noncommittal “desk study” which was appended to the 1999 Balkans Task Force Report (BTF) on the environmental impacts of the War. 13 UNEP’s desk study pointed to the “possible use of DU” thereby implying that it was still unsure as to whether DU shells had actually been used.

UNEP’s evasiveness -claiming lack of sufficient data-- contributed, in the wake of the bombings, to temporarily dissipating public concern. More generally, the UNEP-UNCHS Balkans Task Force report tends to downplay the seriousness of the environmental catastrophe triggered by NATO. Amply documented, the catastrophe was the deliberate result of military planning.14

NATO maps (indicating where DU shells had been targeted) were not required for UNEP and the WHO to conduct an investigation on the health impacts of depleted uranium radiation. A study of this nature --inevitably requiring a team of medical specialists in pedriatics and cancer working in liaison with experts on toxic radiation-- was never carried out. In fact, UNEP’s stated “scientific” assumption precluded from the outset a meaningful assessment of the health impacts. According to UNEP:

“the effects of DU are mainly localized in the places DU has been used and the affected areas are likely to be small”. 15 See the 1999 desk study, op. cit.)

This proposition (which is presented without scientific proof) is shared by UNEP’s sister organization, the WHO:

“You would have to be very close to a damaged tank and be there within seconds of it being hitÉThese soldiers were very unlikely to have been exposed.’’ 16

These statements by UN bodies (quoted by NATO and the Pentagon to justify the use of DU weapons) are part and parcel of the camouflage. They convey the illusion that the health risks to peacekeepers and local civilians can easily be dealt with by cordoning off and “cleaning up” the “targeted areas.”

The WHO has warned, in this regard, that depleted uranium could affect children playing in these areas “because childrenÉ tend to pick up pieces of dirt or put their toys in their mouth."17 What the WHO fails to acknowledge is that the radioactive dust has already spread beyond the affected areas, implying that children throughout Kosovo are at risk.

This tacit complicity of specialized agencies of the UN is yet another symptom of the deterioration of the United Nations system, which now plays an underhand role in covering up NATO war crimes. Since the Gulf War, the WHO has been instrumental in blocking a meaningful investigation of the health impacts of depleted uranium radiation on Iraqi children, claiming “it had no data to conduct an indepth investigation”

UNEP AND NATO WORKING HAND IN GLOVE

Amidst the public outcry and mounting evidence of cancer among Balkans military personnel, UNEP conducted a second assessment in November 2000 which included field measurements of beta and gamma particle radiations in 11 so-called “affected areas” of Kosovo.

Despite NATO’s earlier refusal to collaborate with UNEP, the two organizations are currently working hand in glove. The composition of the mission was established in consultation with NATO. The representative from Greenpeace (involved in the 1999 study) had been dumped.

The broader health issues were not part of the mission’s terms of reference. The two medical researchers dispatched by the WHO in 1999 (as part of the desk study mission) had been replaced with experts from the US Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine…

AC Laboratorium Spiez (ACLS) has actively collaborated in chemical weapons inspections in Iraq. Under the disguise of Swiss neutrality, ACLS constitutes an informal mouthpiece for NATO. ACLS has been on contract with NATO’s “Partnership for Peace” financed by the Swiss government’s contribution to the PfP.20

Although the November mission was still under UNEP auspices, the Swiss government was funding most of fieldwork with ACLS --a division of the Swiss military-- playing a central role. The mission --integrated by representatives linked to the Military establishment-- was working on the premise (amply reviewed on ACLS’s web page) that DU radioactive dust does not (under any circumstances) travel beyond the “point of release.”

The results of the report to be published in March 2001 are a foregone conclusion. They focus on radiation levels in the immediate vicinity of the target sites . According to the mission’s “back to office report” (January 2001):

...Already at this stage the Team can conclude that at some of the DU locations, the radiation level is slightly higher above normal at very limited spots. It would therefore be an unnecessary risk to the population to be in direct contact with any remnants of DU ammunition or with the spots where these have been found.”

DOUBLE STANDARDS

If radioactivity were confined to so-called “very limited spots”, why then have KFOR troops been instructed by their governments “not to eat local produce, have drinking water flown in Éand that clothes must be destroyed on departure and vehicles decontaminated.” According to Paul Sullivan, executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, depleted uranium in Yugoslavia could affect “agricultural areas, places where livestock graze and where crops are grown, thereby introducing the specter of possible contamination of the food chain.” (In November 2000, Gulf War veterans affected by DU launched a class action law-suit against the US government).

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CONTAMINATION OVER A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA

According to NATO sources (communicated to UNEP), some 112 sites in Yugoslavia (of which 72 are in Kosovo) were targeted during the war with depleted uranium antitank shells. Between 30,000 and 50,000 DU shells were fired.

Scientific evidence amply confirms that the DU radioactive aerosol spreads from “the point of release” over a large geographical area suggesting that large parts of the province of Kosovo are contaminated. “[R]adioactive derivatives can linger in the air for months ‘’Just one particle in the lungs is enough--a single particle could travel to the lymph nodes, where the radioactivity would lower the body’s defenses against lymphomas and leukemia’’

According to World renowned radiologist Dr. Rosalie Bertell:

When used in war, the depleted uranium (DU) bursts into flame [and] releasing a deadly radioactive aerosol of uranium, unlike anything seen before. It can kill everyone in a tank. This ceramic aerosol is much lighter than uranium dust. It can travel in air tens of kilometres from the point of release, or be stirred up in dust and resuspended in air with wind or human movement. It is very small and can be breathed in by anyone: a baby, pregnant woman, the elderly, the sick. This radioactive ceramic can stay deep in the lungs for years, irradiating the tissue with powerful alpha particles within about a 30 micron sphere, causing emphysema and/or fibrosis. The ceramic can also be swallowed and do damage to the gastro-intestinal tract. In time, it penetrates the lung tissue and enters into the blood stream. ...It can also initiate cancer or promote cancers which have been initiated by other cancinogens”.

The targeted sites within Kosovo (see NATO map at http://balkans.unep.ch/du/targetmap.html) although concentrated on the South-western border are scattered throughout the province. Most of the villages and cities including Pristina, Prizren and Pec lie within less than 20 km. of the 72 DU target sites confirming that the entire province is contaminated.

NATO WAR CRIMES

The bombing of Yugoslavia is best described as a “low intensity nuclear war” using toxic radioactive shells and missiles. Amply documented, the radioactive fall-out potentially puts millions of people at risk throughout the Balkans.

In March 1999, NATO launched the air raids invoking broad humanitarian principles and ideals. NATO had “come to the rescue” of ethnic Albanian Kosovars on the grounds they were being massacred by Serb forces. The forensic reports by the FBI and Europol confirm that the massacres did not occur. In a cruel irony, Albanian Kosovar civilians are among the main victims of DU radiation.

To maintain the cover-up, NATO is now prepared to reveal a small fraction of the truth. The military Alliance --in liaison with NATO member governments-- wants at all cost to maintain the focus on “peacekeepers” and keep local civilians out of the picture, because if the entire truth gets out, then people might start asking questions such as “how is it that the Kosovar Albanians, the people we were supposed to rescue are now the victims?” In both Bosnia and Kosovo, the UN has been careful not to record cancer cases among civilians. The narrow focus on “peacekeepers” is part of the cover-up. It distracts public opinion from the broader issue of civilian victims.

The primary victims of DU weapons are children, making their use a “war crime against children.” The use of depleted uranium munitions is only one among several NATO crimes against humanity committed in Iraq and the Balkans…

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-my final posting on this matter for now.  LTC Helbig, shame on you and shame on your shills for lying.--

According to official records, some 1800 Balkans peacekeepers (Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo) suffer from health ailments related to DU radiation. Assuming the same level of risk (as a percentage of population), the numbers of civilians throughout former Yugoslavia affected by DU radiation would be in the tens of thousands. British scientist Roger Coghill suggests, in this regard, that “throughout the Balkan region, there will be an extra 10,150 deaths from cancer because of the use of DU. That will include local people, K-FOR personnel, aid workers, everyone.” Moreover, according to a report published in Athens during the War, the impacts of depleted uranium are likely to extend beyond the Balkans. Albania, and Macedonia but also Greece, Italy, Austria and Hungary face a potential threat to human health as a result of the use of radioactive depleted uranium shells during the 1999 War.

While no overall data on civilian deaths have been recorded, partial evidence confirms that a large numbers of civilians have already died as result of DU radiation since the war in Bosnia:

“DU radiation and an apparent use of defoliants by US/NATO troops against Serbian land and population [in Bosnia], have caused many birth defects among babies born after the US/NATO bombing and occupation; the magnitude of this problem has stunned Serbian medical experts and panicked the population.”

A recent account points to several hundred deaths of civilians solely in one Bosnian village:

The village is empty, the cemetery full. Soon there will be no more room for the dead. Among refugee families who moved to Bratunac from Hadzici [in the outskirts of Sarajevo] there is a hardly a household not cloaked in mourningÉOn them are fresh wreaths, some with flowers that have not yet wilted. On the crosses the years of death 1998, 1999, 2000 and the grave of a 20 year-old woman at the end of the rows. She died a few days agoÉ No one could even imagine that in only one or two years the part of the cemetery set aside for civilians would be doubly full. It happens often that one of the natives of Hadzici will suddenly die. Or they will go to see the doctor in Belgrade and when they come back their relatives will tell us that they are dying of cancer [C]hief doctor Slavica Jovanovic conducted an investigation and proved that in 1998 the mortality rate far exceeded the birth rate. She showed that it wasn’t just a question of fate but something far more seriousÉ ‘Zoran Stankovic, the renowned pathologist from the Military Medical Academy (VMA) determined that over 200 of his patients from this area died of cancer, most probably due to the effects of depleted uranium in dropped NATO bombs five years ago. But someone quickly silenced the public and everything was hushed up. ‘You see, our cemetery is full of fresh graves while the people from Vinca [Nuclear Institute] claim that uranium isn’t dangerous. What other kind of evidence do you need if people are dying? The refugees from Hadzici arrived in Bratunac in a sizeable number. There were almost 5,000 of them. There were 1,000 just in the collective centers. Now, says Zelenovic, ‘there are about 600 of them left. And they certainly had nowhere else to go’ Someone dies of cancer every third day; there is no more room in the cemeteries.”

And lest anyone forget what this is really all about:

LTC Roger Helbig, United States Air Force: A Bully Pushing Around Civilians—Air Force Colonel Abuses American Citizens over Uranium Weapons Coverup
By Dr. Doug Rokke, US Army, Ret., and Bob Nichols, Project Censored Award Winner
Apr 11, 2005, 23:57

April 11, 2005—(Oklahoma City) “Individuals on web sites throughout the United States have complained over a period of months about the abusive and aggressive actions of an Air Force Lieut. Colonel named Roger Helbig,” stated Project Censored Award Winning writer Bob Nichols.

“Col. Helbig has consistently misrepresented himself and his participation, voluntarily or on a paid basis, as a “minder” or enforcer for the DOD lie about Uranium Munitions in direct contravention of US Army Regulations and Orders,” Nichols stated.

“Col. Helbig apparently is fervently following the Secret Los Alamos Memo about Uranium Weapons (UW), aka so-called “Depleted Uranium,” instructing personnel to lie about Uranium Weapons to maintain the political viability of continued use of the Genocidal Weapons: “weaponized radioactive and poisonous ceramic uranium oxide gas and dust” in Iraq and throughout Central Asia,” added Nichols.

Nichols stated “Dr. Doug Rokke, Ph.D., is the former Army Officer in charge of the Pentagon’s Depleted Uranium Project. Dr Rokke is a career officer, loyal to the Constitution of the United States of America, not to any political party. He is the man the people of the United States can turn to for “on the level information” about the true nature of Uranium Weapons (UW.)

Dr. Rokke commented, “LTC Roger Helbig, United States Air Force: I would suggest that since you claim to be so knowledgeable about DU and my specific activities during Gulf War 1 and while I was the Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium that you produce the actual official documents, not some comments by Bob Cherry or Ed Battle or Mike Kilpatrick, your bosses up the line, verifying your comments.”

Rokke added “Unless you can do so, please cease and go away. But before you go away you still have not answered; why you, as an United States Air Force officer, refuse to support my / our actions to ensure that United States Department of Defense officials provide medical care to all DU casualties and clean up all environmental contamination as required by AR 700-48 and TB 9-1300-278; and, that medical care is provided to all DU casualties as required by Lt General Ron Peake’s April 29, 2004 order.”

Dr. Rokke concluded “It is time for you to decide. The question is not about me, but whether or not United States Department of Defense personnel comply with their own requirements to provide medical care and clean up all environmental contamination as specified in AR 700-48, TB 9-1300-278, and all of the orders mandating medical care for DU casualties.”

Ramjet .. Thank you for the compliment on my rhetorical skills. Will keep working on the facts. You ask about my relation to GhostRabbit. Mostly the same as my relation with you, an acquaintance met over the Internet.

Now, getting back to the use of DU as counterweights in airplanes. If I can widen the scope of the question a little. Do you, or anyone else, know if the any of the planes involved in 9/11 were the types that would have DU counterweights? How much DU is typically used as a counterweight in a plane?

Answer these facts, Roger Ramjet:

The military are not the only users of depleted uranium, it is used as a counterweight in some aircraft. El Al Flight LY 1862 crashed into a block of flats on the outskirts of Amsterdam (October 1992). Apart from the immediate consequences of the crash (at least 43 people killed on the ground, the exact number not known due to illegal immigrants living in the area), 850 people have since fallen ill as a consequence of a giant fireball that erupted from the plane and choking white smoke. The plane was known to be carrying 1,500 kg of depleted uranium (only 163 kg recovered), plus the possibility of nerve gas agents or biological weapons agents. The plane was destined for the Israel Institute for Biological Research (a top secret establishment for biological and chemical warfare, where according to an ex-employee ‘There is hardly a single known or unknown form of chemical or biological weapon ... which is not manufactured at the institute’ [Sunday Times, 4 October 1998]). The crash that occurred at Stansted Airport less than a minute from take-off narrowly missed outlying farm buildings, there was no loss of life on the ground (December 1999). The aircraft was carrying depleted uranium as a tail fin counterweight. Most of the depleted uranium has not been recovered. In a paper published in Nature physicist Robert L Parker estimated a worst case scenario of 250,000 people exposed to DU in a 747 crash.

Whilst the rare crash of a plane carrying DU is a local problem, the main concern with depleted uranium is the use by the military, as has been recently highlighted in the Gulf and former-Yugoslavia. DU is a heavy metal, in common with other heavy metals it is highly toxic and radioactive. Wars involving the use of DU are likely to be the most toxic in human history. The ‘success’ of DU in its two most recent field trials both as a penetrator and armour is likely to hasten its use on the battlefield unless there is urgent international action to outlaw its use.

And, the FAA warns:

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (the FAA) tells us that “The main hazard associated with depleted uranium is the harmful effect the material could have if it enters the body. If particles are inhaled or digested, they can be chemically toxic and cause a significant and long-lasting irradiation of internal tissue.” 1 The FAA further advises to “avoid contact with balance weights using depleted uranium” and to “avoid breathing or swallowing particles of balance weights found damaged or with cadmium plating damaged or lost.”

The U.S. Army experts agree with the FAA’s warnings: “...if depleted uranium enters the body, it has the potentiality of causing serious medical consequences. The associated risk is both chemical and radiological.”

Depleted Uranium Released During Canadian Plane Crash

Little-Known Use of DU in Commercial Jets Exposed

By Christopher Bollyn

The recent crash of a Boeing 747 in Halifax, Canada, raises a number of questions about the use of depleted uranium (DU) in airplanes, public health concerns and the 9-11 attacks. When a Boeing 747 crashed and burned on takeoff at Halifax International Airport in Nova Scotia, Canada, on Oct. 14, an official accident investigator said the aircraft probably contained radioactive depleted uranium.

Bill Fowler, an investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, said the plane was likely equipped with DU as counterweights in its wings and rudder.

“A 747 may contain as much as 1,500 kilograms [3,300 lbs.] of the material,” the Canadian Press reported. It took 60 firefighters and 20 trucks about three hours to control the fire.

Fowler said: “there is no threat or concern” about DU exposure to those working on the wreckage.

“That’s baloney,” Marion Fulk, a retired staff scientist from Lawrence Livermore National Lab, told American Free Press. Fulk, 83, is currently researching how low-level ionizing radiation causes cancer, birth defects and a host of other health problems. Burning depleted uranium creates a “whole mess of oxides,” Fulk said, “which is what makes it so wicked biologically.”

In 1988, American physicist Robert L. Parker wrote that in the worst-case scenario, the crash of a Boeing 747 could affect the health of 250,000 people through exposure to uranium oxide particles. “Extended tests by the Navy and NASA showed that the temperature of the fireball in a plane crash can reach 1,200 degrees Celsius. Such temperatures are high enough to cause very rapid oxidation of depleted uranium,” he wrote.

“Large pieces of uranium will oxidize rapidly and will sustain slow combustion when heated in air to temperatures of about 500 degrees Celsius,” Paul Lowenstein, technical director and vice-president of Nuclear Metals Inc., the company that has supplied DU to Boeing, wrote in a 1993 article.

Now, some researchers are turning to the large number of sick firefighters and workers from the World Trade Center site and reports of elevated radiation levels around the Pentagon after 9-11. They contend that the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft involved in the attacks may have also contained depleted uranium counterweights.

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PENTAGON RADIATION LEVELS

Around the Pentagon there were reports of high radiation levels after 9-11. American Free Press has documentation that radiation levels in Alexandria and Leesburg, Va., were much higher than usual on 9-11 and persisted for at least one week afterward.

In Alexandria, seven miles south of the burning Pentagon, a doctor with years of experience working with radiation issues found elevated radiation levels on 9-11 of 35 to 52 counts per minute (cpm) using a “Radalert 50” Geiger counter.

One week after 9-11, in Leesburg, 33 miles northwest of the Pentagon, soil readings taken in a residential neighborhood showed even higher readings of 75 to 83 cpm.

“That’s pretty high,” Cindy Folkers of the Washing ton-based Nuclear Information and Resource Service (NIRS) told AFP. Folkers said 7 to 12 cpm is normal background radiation inside the NIRS building, and that outdoor readings of between 12 to 20 cpm are normal in Chevy Chase, Md., outside Washington.

The Radalert 50, Folkers said, is primarily a gamma ray detector and “detects only 7 percent of the beta radiation and even less of the alpha.” This suggests that actual radiation levels may have been significantly higher than those detected by the doctor’s Geiger counter.

“The question is, why?” Folkers said.

If the radiation came from the explosion and fire at the Pentagon, it most likely did not come from a Boeing 757, which is the type of aircraft that allegedly hit the building.

“Boeing has never used DU on either the 757 or the 767, and we no longer use it on the 747,” Leslie M. Nichols, product spokesperson for Boeing’s 767, told AFP. “Sometime ago, we switched to tungsten, because it is heavier, more readily available and more cost effective.”

The cost effectiveness argument is debatable. A waste product of U.S. nuclear weapons and energy facilities, DU is reportedly provided by the Department of Energy to national and foreign armament companies free of charge.

DU is used in a wide variety of missiles in the U.S. arsenal as an armor penetrator. It is also used in the bunker-buster bombs and cruise missiles. Because no photographic evidence of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon is available to the public, 9-11 skeptics and independent researchers claim something else, such as a missile, struck the Pentagon.

A white flash, not unlike those seen in videos of the planes as they struck the twin towers, occurs when a DU penetrator hits a target.

Photographs from the Pentagon reveal that large round holes were punched through six walls in the three outer rings. The outside wall is 24 inches thick with a six-inch limestone exterior, eight inches of brick and 10 inches of steel reinforced concrete; the other walls are 18 inches thick.

The object that hit the Pentagon on 9-11 penetrated several feet of reinforced concrete, leaving holes with diameters between 11 and 16 feet.

Bill Bellinger, then head of the EPA’s Radiation Program for Region III, which includes Virginia, told AFP that he had received information of elevated radiation levels and contacted EPA officials at the Pentagon.

“I was concerned about that,” Bellinger said. “I didn’t disregard it at all.”

Bellinger told AFP that he thought the radiation was from DU in the aircraft.

... full article at :

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/depleted_uranium.html

David in Canada,

Excellent posts!  Thank you for the info on aircraft!  I searched high and low and all I found was the article on the El Al Flight LY 1862 that crashed in Amsterdam (October 1992).

What say you, Roger Ramjet?  Natalie?  Any other ideological hacks want to nose around in the tail of a commercial aircraft?

Yes David the aircraft info is good, BTW Rabbit meant to say the same. Especially interesting regarding Pentagon because radiation was measured I believe. Also at WTC’s sites, it may explain the readings, which Rabbit has read about somewhere.
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.Hooray.... Pale Rider… Welcome back, ITT is a good site to check up on complaints as Rabbit said. They do their duty by reacting to complaints, but that is not the end of the issue..
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.Bad luck Natty Ratty - Dodgy Rodgy.
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We have us a DEMOCRACY here, your lying complaints have failed you again..
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Rabbit wonders if the SHILLS dare cry Wolf again?  .
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