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Good article! I love Ehrenreich’s stuff. Very original thinker.
Posted by Liz on Sep 30, 2005 at 10:06 AM
Case in point: Taboo topics have been verboted on the corporate ‘news’ networks. Two blatant omissions are any discussion of the discrepancies in the official version of 9/11, and ANY mention of PNAC…the Project for a New American Century.
Ask any ten people/sheeple you know what these people all have in common:
Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Perle, Jeb, Feith, Libby, Armitage, Bennet, Bork, Woolsey, and Khalilzad, the new ambassador to Iraq.
Then ask them to name the leader of the pack (only some of whom are listed above).
And then….ask why the hell they don’t know….because these people PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan….and may have pulled off the hoax of the century to get us there.
The greater tragedy is that progressives DO NOT KNOW. Most anti war and anti Bush people have no clue about who is in control. It’s NOT Karl Rove…he’s the puppeteer, not the master planner. Please, get the facts. Draw your own conclusions.
The answer iw Kristol clear; please read, or we’ll be in Iran and Syria very soon:
KRISTOL CLEAR
http://tvnewslies.org/html/kristol_clear.html
Posted by skipper7 on Oct 1, 2005 at 10:56 AM
That’s http://tvnewslies.org
Posted by skipper7 on Oct 1, 2005 at 10:57 AM
No….inform the sheeple. They’re clueless. Don’t know why the link isn’t working….. I’ll try again. Preview isn’t working….
HERE
Posted by skipper7 on Oct 1, 2005 at 7:18 PM
>> Back then, Ehrenreich was known to readers of Radical America, Monthly Review and In These Times as an insightful analyst who controversially posited in a 1976 essay that a
Posted by scorp on Oct 2, 2005 at 12:49 PM
“The most prized virtue in academia is diversity except, of course, political diversity.”
This is a serious issue. But i am confident it is resolving itself as time goes by.
“Consequently, young students who go to school for an education are subject to unrelieved political indoctrination by Lying Liberals,”
I think the phrase “Lying Liberals” is not only unfair, but it is factually wrong. This type of “lying” is simply believing something that others do not, as opposed to spreading information you know to be false.
“which unsurprisingly, is causing a backlash among student, and parents, and voters/taxpayers that have to finance the leftist
Posted by wolf on Oct 3, 2005 at 12:34 PM
Wolf -
Thank you for the coherent, cogent, thoughtful input. You are rare company in these parts.
>> I think the phrase
Posted by scorp on Oct 3, 2005 at 6:38 PM
Hi scorp - i enjoy reading your posts; i think you represent your point of view quite well. On the other hand, i am disappointed with many/most of the liberals who frequent this site and seem unable to form compelling arguments for their side. . . Ironic.
Posted by wolf on Oct 4, 2005 at 12:20 PM
Hi ho,
Mercy me!Corporate networks slanting their coverage of events and manipulating discussion to divert attention from real issues!I used to be a big fan of Crossfire until I realized it was as real as pro-wrestling.
I am quite curious to see what Ehrenreich is allowed to say.I’m also curious,morbidly I admit,to see how she is discredited and silenced by the right once she gets to close to the issue of class disparity in America.One only hopes she is allowed to say enough.
Having read Nickled and Dimed,all I could say was"It’s about time!Where was this book ten years earlier?“It’s nice to see that she is also exploring how the middle class is being sodomized by the right.Unfortunately,the middle-class anesthetizes the wounds with Fox News while singing"The Impossible Dream"to themselves and keeping in mind that if they weren’t so lazy,things would be much better.
W.W.H.A.D?
What would Horatio Alger do?
Posted by wwoods on Oct 5, 2005 at 5:16 AM
Wolf, why do you take Scorp’s posts seriously? Scorp’s rants about Soviet communism, the Iraqi WMD’s, liberal media bias, and leftist academics are completely irrelevant to Barbara Ehrenreich’s book. If he wants to engage in that kind of ranting, fine, there’s always Free Republic, but not on this website.
Posted by Peter H on Oct 7, 2005 at 2:18 PM
Ehrenreich rocks…but the author should have mentioned her column in the progressive…funny, informative stuff. Anyway, it really bothers me that conservatives are always whining and huffing and puffing about “radical” liberal people in the academic world. I grew up in the academic world, I’m in it now, and I will work in it when I’m done with all the education…point is: I promise you, up and down, that there is NO sort of conspiracy to brain wash america’s youth into joining some sort of wide-spread socialist revolt and/or love-in. There just..isn’t. In the social sciences you see a lot of liberals but…have you stopped to wonder why? A big part of it is because they have to look at FACTS and NUMBERS and objective measures/analyses of social issues/problems..the other factor is their constant exposure to various theories about social issues, which are judged primarily by how well they jive with quantifiable data. So…when you see all the liberal sociology professors, what you’re really seeing are people who have *BECOME* progressive and *REMAIN* progressive b/c you can’t teach social theory based on Horatio Algier myths and Ronald Reagan’s down-home pet phrases; you need numbers, baby, and you some bullet-proof, cogent theory if you’re going to make a science (and a career) out of social analysis. As for “brain washing” students…please. In my experience, students whine about being “brainwashed” when the prof dares to offer up a theory that violates their deeply-held beliefs or (gasp) makes them read something they find offensive. Yes, some professors are biased (this works both towards the right and the left), but most of them either don’t show their political opinions, or only show them a bit, so its easy for the astute student to see where the prof is coming from while also keeping their BS detector running effectively.
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Good article! I love Ehrenreich’s stuff. Very original thinker.
Case in point: Taboo topics have been verboted on the corporate ‘news’ networks. Two blatant omissions are any discussion of the discrepancies in the official version of 9/11, and ANY mention of PNAC…the Project for a New American Century.
Ask any ten people/sheeple you know what these people all have in common:
Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Perle, Jeb, Feith, Libby, Armitage, Bennet, Bork, Woolsey, and Khalilzad, the new ambassador to Iraq.
Then ask them to name the leader of the pack (only some of whom are listed above).
And then….ask why the hell they don’t know….because these people PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan….and may have pulled off the hoax of the century to get us there.
The greater tragedy is that progressives DO NOT KNOW. Most anti war and anti Bush people have no clue about who is in control. It’s NOT Karl Rove…he’s the puppeteer, not the master planner. Please, get the facts. Draw your own conclusions.
The answer iw Kristol clear; please read, or we’ll be in Iran and Syria very soon:
KRISTOL CLEAR
http://tvnewslies.org/html/kristol_clear.html
That’s http://tvnewslies.org
Turn off the TV ??
No….inform the sheeple. They’re clueless. Don’t know why the link isn’t working….. I’ll try again. Preview isn’t working….
HERE
>> Back then, Ehrenreich was known to readers of Radical America, Monthly Review and In These Times as an insightful analyst who controversially posited in a 1976 essay that a
“The most prized virtue in academia is diversity except, of course, political diversity.”
This is a serious issue. But i am confident it is resolving itself as time goes by.
“Consequently, young students who go to school for an education are subject to unrelieved political indoctrination by Lying Liberals,”
I think the phrase “Lying Liberals” is not only unfair, but it is factually wrong. This type of “lying” is simply believing something that others do not, as opposed to spreading information you know to be false.
“which unsurprisingly, is causing a backlash among student, and parents, and voters/taxpayers that have to finance the leftist
Wolf -
Thank you for the coherent, cogent, thoughtful input. You are rare company in these parts.
>> I think the phrase
Hi scorp - i enjoy reading your posts; i think you represent your point of view quite well. On the other hand, i am disappointed with many/most of the liberals who frequent this site and seem unable to form compelling arguments for their side. . . Ironic.
Hi ho,
Mercy me!Corporate networks slanting their coverage of events and manipulating discussion to divert attention from real issues!I used to be a big fan of Crossfire until I realized it was as real as pro-wrestling.
I am quite curious to see what Ehrenreich is allowed to say.I’m also curious,morbidly I admit,to see how she is discredited and silenced by the right once she gets to close to the issue of class disparity in America.One only hopes she is allowed to say enough.
Having read Nickled and Dimed,all I could say was"It’s about time!Where was this book ten years earlier?“It’s nice to see that she is also exploring how the middle class is being sodomized by the right.Unfortunately,the middle-class anesthetizes the wounds with Fox News while singing"The Impossible Dream"to themselves and keeping in mind that if they weren’t so lazy,things would be much better.
W.W.H.A.D?
What would Horatio Alger do?
Wolf, why do you take Scorp’s posts seriously? Scorp’s rants about Soviet communism, the Iraqi WMD’s, liberal media bias, and leftist academics are completely irrelevant to Barbara Ehrenreich’s book. If he wants to engage in that kind of ranting, fine, there’s always Free Republic, but not on this website.
Ehrenreich rocks…but the author should have mentioned her column in the progressive…funny, informative stuff. Anyway, it really bothers me that conservatives are always whining and huffing and puffing about “radical” liberal people in the academic world. I grew up in the academic world, I’m in it now, and I will work in it when I’m done with all the education…point is: I promise you, up and down, that there is NO sort of conspiracy to brain wash america’s youth into joining some sort of wide-spread socialist revolt and/or love-in. There just..isn’t. In the social sciences you see a lot of liberals but…have you stopped to wonder why? A big part of it is because they have to look at FACTS and NUMBERS and objective measures/analyses of social issues/problems..the other factor is their constant exposure to various theories about social issues, which are judged primarily by how well they jive with quantifiable data. So…when you see all the liberal sociology professors, what you’re really seeing are people who have *BECOME* progressive and *REMAIN* progressive b/c you can’t teach social theory based on Horatio Algier myths and Ronald Reagan’s down-home pet phrases; you need numbers, baby, and you some bullet-proof, cogent theory if you’re going to make a science (and a career) out of social analysis. As for “brain washing” students…please. In my experience, students whine about being “brainwashed” when the prof dares to offer up a theory that violates their deeply-held beliefs or (gasp) makes them read something they find offensive. Yes, some professors are biased (this works both towards the right and the left), but most of them either don’t show their political opinions, or only show them a bit, so its easy for the astute student to see where the prof is coming from while also keeping their BS detector running effectively.
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