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” But during several of their court hearings, VitW repeatedly asked why humanitarian organizations were prosecuted while companies that broke sanctions for profit were not fined or penalized. “
Corporate profits good. Humanitarian efforts baaad.
I am shocked. Not.
” A policy that leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children is criminal, “
Let’s see what Madeline Albright says : “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 4, 2005 at 6:14 PM
It is always easy to recognise that special Compassion, so unique to American Democracy.
It is certainly a relief to see that these supporters of a Saddam Hussein and his Terrorist Nation have been brought to justice.
It is partly because of people like VitW the USA had to attack Iraq in the first place, the traitors.
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and you can quote that..^^..
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 5, 2005 at 2:49 AM
“Maybe one day the war criminals will be doing the time in jail rather than the people trying to help the innocent victims.”
Don’t hold your breath.
This presupposes they would go quietly.
Now what in all the actions of this Insane Junta has led you to believe they would ever choose the lesser of two evils, when given a choice?
Mr Cheney Sir would you please give us the suitcase and the keys sir, and then go to prison for a long time..
George, give the nice man the button, give the man the button George and come down from that tree, don’t touch that bottle, please George give up the button and go into the cage.
How exactly does anyone propose to catch these Monsters? It’s all very well to decide the village is going to exterminate the Monster, but how?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 5, 2005 at 2:58 AM
I wanna know who’s next
Posted by R.B.Green on Oct 6, 2005 at 1:13 PM
Who’s next to be busted? or Who’s next to be “LIBERATED”?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 6, 2005 at 5:58 PM
Gotta love that “freedom.”
Thanks feds, you’re all about the freedom for Americans. I mean Iraqis. I mean corporate shareholders. That’s it.
Free the shareholders and criminal CEO’s!
May Kenneth Lay never be sent to prison for stealing billions. Now that’s “freedom.”
Gotta love when shrub says “freedom” through that plastic sneer of his.
A few more right wing nutjob judges and Bush can finally pull the flush handle on America.
Martial law is freedom. Police state is security.
Hate is love.
Hey—everyone else babbles incessantly here…
Posted by johndoraemi on Oct 6, 2005 at 6:39 PM
Isn’t babbling what one does when the muzzle is off?
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 6, 2005 at 8:20 PM
When the muzzle comes off we can bite.
If something needs muzzling, you might as well lock it up or kill it.
Only insane and dangerous creatures should ever need muzzling of course.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 6, 2005 at 9:56 PM
Muddled Thinking Produces Muddled History Produces Lying Liberal Losers
To understand a given situation, you must understand the history and context of the situation. Up to this point, every single comment on this thread has supported the poor, abused VitW and their efforts to violate United States law. Such justification as is offered by the various posters for their comments relies on selective use of historical realities and grossly leftist ideological interpretations of the closely-culled data.
So, David says:
>> War criminals in power. Maybe one day the war criminals will be doing the time in jail rather than the people trying to help the innocent victims. <<
Eidolon Lagomorph repeats the above quote from David, and helpfully identifies President Bush and VP Cheney as the criminals under discussion, with the added implication that President Bush is insane, or something. But David is Canadian, and Lagomorph is Oz, and perhaps they do not have democracy and the rule of law in those places. In a democracy, criminality is determined in a court, not by a leftist totalitarian regime, as in the Soviet Union, and certainly not by a bunch of leftist ideologues on a leftist blog. Now President Clinton was found guilty of perjury, but he is the only sitting American President who has ever been determined to be a criminal. So allegations of criminality are grossly inappropriate in this circumstance.
Similarly, David and Lagomorph misreport the article
Posted by scorp on Oct 8, 2005 at 9:17 PM
(Cont.)
And then David dredges up this piece of historical crap:
>> A policy that leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children is criminal. (para) Let
Posted by scorp on Oct 8, 2005 at 9:25 PM
Hello Scorp
Glad you find me amusing because the feeling is mutual.
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 8, 2005 at 9:42 PM
Scorpy as always putting words in other peoples mouths and attacking them thus..
“And Lagomorph, ever helpful, specifically and sarcastically states:
>> May Kenneth Lay never be sent to prison for stealing billions. Now that
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 12:35 AM
We have discussed the Economy and Rabbit will just re-post a little something along these lines especially for Scorpy.
Have a look at these two recent
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 12:38 AM
The rest of the world just decided the USA is not going to retain control of the internet…....What’s going on, Scorpy, they are not towing the line….... Scorpy the world just “CONFISCATED” the internet from the USA. Uncle Sam is not happy, he made an angry face but the world said, give, and Sammy must give.
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,16376,1585288,00.html
What this means is that you don’t call all the shots anymore, and that is a change.
Just subtle hints here Scorpy but those who see with open eyes can see it clear as day.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 12:43 AM
Eidolon Lagomorph -
You got me, Lagomorph. It was John that had the Ken Lay quote, not you. My apologies.
Other than that, you have not answered a single one of my points on this thread; instead you rush off in other directions unrelated to the original article.
The rest of your posts are your usual nonsense. Economically, you keep confusing cause and effect. The USA is the world’s strongest economy because strong policies create strong results. That does not mean we are perfect, and it does not mean we are not subject to outside shocks, such as natural disasters. It does mean that we can rebuild, and that we can minimize damages when something happens. The biggest damages the American economy has sustained in the last thirty years were self-inflicted; the Carter Catastrophe and the Bubba Bubble.
On several occasions, you have spoken highly of Venezuela’s actions. Venezuela is a leftist totalitarian state, meaning that it can never realize its economic and political potential; totalitarian controls necessarily result and inefficiency and corruption, as in the defunct Soviet Union. The strengths of Venezuela are, first, the talents and capabilities of her people, and secondly, her natural resources, primarily oil. But Venezuela
Posted by scorp on Oct 9, 2005 at 6:45 PM
Most of your drivel is predictable Scorpy.
Your understanding of Venezuala is on a par with your usual standards of comprehension of anything outside your own immediate experience. Your experience of Venezuala is probably about the same as Rabbit’s but Rabbit’s opinion is based upon an open minded evaluation of what those who actually “DO KNOW” say about it. A selection for your edification. Imperfect a story as it will tell, the evidence is in the eating. Venezuala is succeeding in ways that the USA still dreams about, but can only dream for now…...................
The following shows not only that this is a healthy democracy in “PRACTICE” but that Chavez is undisputably a popular leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_recall_referendum,_2004
“The line has been put out that he’s a dictator. George W Bush was elected by computer in Florida, but the “dictator” is Hugo Chavez, elected by 70% of the popular vote
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 10:50 PM
What makes Scorpy now adopt the new posture about Rabbit’s opinions? When did Rabbit say he found anything attractive about the Euro.
Pay close attention to this statement, because it is the first opinion I have offerred about the Euro or about the EU.
Rabbit was living peacefully in Scandinavia, Danmark as it happens when the EU was still in it’s earlier stages. The Euro was little more than an idea, at the time, the whole thing was in getting certain “key” nations to sign on the dotted line.
Rabbit was one of the minority who stood up and vociferously challenged the EU when it was put to the Danish population in a referendum in 1992 where we won by a narrow margin, only to be cheated by the government who pulled a stunt. Then the Danes, to whom Rabbit is joined by marriage, said no to the Euro in 2000. Facts are facts whether we like them or not, another little hint to help you Scorpy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_947000/947798.stm
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Rabbit does not sing the praises of the Euro., Rabbit merely observes that it is in conflict with the Dollar, and as such is actually a massive weapon against the USA. The biggest WMD there is maybe. Scorpy has a strangely black and white view. The colours are assigned arbitrarily as well it would seem. Scorpy has it never occurred to you that none of the major players on the world scene have yours or my interests at heart? It is certainly foremost in the mind of Rabbit and other sensible beings around the place.
There are no OLD EUROPEAN economies. That is the point of the EU, you silly Turkey. It is a NEW economy.
The prat you posted about what props up the Euro is just insane guessing by yourself, you feeble fencer. As for what Props up” the American Dollar, what the hell do you think makes the American economy work. Do you actually believe that you are a big industrial manufacturing nation? Do you actually believe that there is some sort of gross export of anything from the USA except little green pieces of paper?
Europe has a population base more thanm twice the USA and it is a much more highly educated and sophisticated group of people on average. One of the positive effects which is expected to come of EU mebership is a raising of standards in areas like education and health care among member nations who are lagging.
Scorpy instead of going (Sic) (sic) (sic) like a Turkey, do as Rabbit does with yours and others’ spelling errors, ignore them or graciously correct them upon quoting. It would not be taken amiss. But to break up a slightly garbled sentence this way is petty, and it was no more incoherant than that you got the idea in one.
The FACT is being established in short order, in court as to what is known widely as a fact, and you got it in one. Denial will be no defence, oh ignorant Gobbler.
For now it is enough to settle for an acceptance that the result was so bloody close it needed a court case toi settle it, and that never did make the stink go further than investigations ongoing. The important point is not the spelling or the piddly details, the point was being made that you do not have a democracy to hold up as an example to a nation with 70% support for it’s president. EG: Venezuala.
Oh and Rabbit was unaware that Michael Moron was saying the elections were fraud as well as most of the rest of us. But if you say so Scorpy. Meanwhile these are some of the others who also think so.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://www.legitgov.org/9_1_1_oddities.html
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/election-fraud.htm
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1065
Even a Wikipedia reference for you Scorpy,....Gobble Gobble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._Election_controversies_and_irregularities
...........Gobble Gobble Gobble…...........
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 11:18 PM
Since we are on the subject Rabbit will expound a little more on his experience of the European economy, via an admittedly privelaged nation, Danmark. Generalisations about Europeans are doomed to failure, even more readily than generalisations about Americans or any group of people, the bigger the group. Nevertheless, a couple of things stand out.
Europeans save money. They really do save money for a rainy day. In fact they work efficiently due to technology and attitude and they have great working conditions and hours, 35 hour week was/is the goal, and it was close even when Rabbit lived there. There is a much better standard of health care and social service generally which ensures care of the elderly and the weak. There are extremes of behaviour, but the worst crimes are less common there than the USA. These people have usually got less distance to travel, and get by with alternative forms of transport more often than Americans or Oz.
This is why they have not got two cars per family, and why they can afford to maintain those cars at the high standards which are required. They have had higher but more stable Energy prices, because they too are being gouged.
The important point is that they actually have a LOT of wealth in the hands of private people. An already HUGE and burgeoning economy which is already a bigger energy user than the USA, and the whole circus is almost as certain to get even better as the US economy is certain to get worse.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 11:33 PM
Or another government with about 65% of the popular vote…...................IRAN….Another democratic government by the usual definition of the word. Our definition, Scorpy, not the definition of a fascist. Our definition is “elected by majority in a transparent election”.
15 year olds can vote in Iran…............ Scorpy
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 9, 2005 at 11:44 PM
Oh Scorpy…“The USA is the world
Posted by Jon B on Oct 10, 2005 at 11:23 AM
Eidolon Lagomorph -
Don’t get your knickers in a knot, Lagomorph. I am not given to commenting on spelling and typos, but you do have an obligation to be coherent. The sentence I quoted was incomprehensible. You do not have very good reasoning powers to start with, and mangling your syntax and spelling, along with your egocentric manner of expression, certainly does not promote clarity in discussion.
>> Do you actually believe that you are a big industrial manufacturing nation? <<
No, of course not. Don’t be ridiculous. Why would the USA want to be a “big industrial manufacturing nation” in this day and age? We have other countries that are more than happy to do our manufacturing for us, more cheaply than we can do it ourselves. Our competitive advantage is in high tech, automation, financial services, medical, pharmaceutical, entertainment, stuff like that. We have among the highest per cap incomes in the world doing the things we do best; why in the hell would we want to go back to “industrial manufacturing”? Are you crazy?
Your economic ignorance is quite astonishing, Lagomorph. You keep commenting/complaining about the American dollar, the Euro, savings, wealth, and you know nothing of which you speak:
>> There are no OLD EUROPEAN economies. <<
Well, yes, there are. France. Germany. Belgium. They have had double digit unemployment for fifteen years. They have had essentially no growth during this period. From the World Fact Book, these three countries had 7.7 million unemployed in 2004. If even half of them had been employed, extrapolated out for fifteen years that is over 57 million man-years of labor. Think how many things could have been accomplished with 57 million man-years of labor: autos, houses, airplanes, poetry, music, medical breakthroughs. But instead of producing things for the rest of us, all these people were on the dole, consuming what others produced. That is a crime. Even worse, it is a mistake.
>> Since the 1970s, America has created some 57 million new jobs, compared to just 4 million in Europe (with most of those in government). For the last quarter century, the United States has enjoyed consistently higher rates of economic growth and productivity than European countries, and the gap has been widening. The United States is now at the forefront in many critical global industries, particularly finance, technology, and entertainment. <<
>> http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleid.18720/article_detail.asp <<
Every time you open your mouth, Lagomorph, you increase the sum total of human ignorance. Are you unemployed, by any chance?
Posted by scorp on Oct 10, 2005 at 7:32 PM
IDIOT SCORPY, the sentence was sufficiently comprehensible that you got the meaninmg first time. You proved it you dunce. Incomprehensible would mean you didn’t get it. You are a dingbat.
Not for the first time Rabbit points out that he is not given to being greatly disturbed by you as a rule, and he certainly has never displayed the characteristic hysteria which accompanies Scorpy’s weird blatherings. So get over your one line wonder, nobody else is clapping.
The fool just blew himself out of the water as usual. The point that you make is also mine, dummy, you do indeed have to pay “Others” for manufacturing, and all those other things you mention you dummy, are also bought from overseas. You are stupid enough to assume American companies manufacture anything in the USA. Fewer and fewer do you dunce because it is as you say CHEAPER to do so elsewhere. Even though you have long since lost a union movement, conditions for american workers is poor by world standards. Rabbit has qualifications in Occupational Health and Safety and knows the US system is a poor example at least.
Your dimwitted hysteria shows through whenever you demonstrate you have read only some of any posts you reply to. Rabbit has mentioned his occupation on enough occasions that most should know Rabbit owns a small Polyethylene Kayak factory.
Have never been unemployed except by choice, Scorpy.
Now what was that about ignorance?
The thing is since you the ordinary American have to by all these imported goods, you have only Dollars to buy them with , and the dollar has been supported for a long time by an artificial situation which is now in the throes of collapse. You are not one to talk about reasoning Scorpy you are quite famous for your own tortured and contradictory reasoning, and you are the only one making your ridiculous claims about Rabbit’s incomprehensibility. The small mistakes here and there are left specifically for the amusement of Trolls as has been pointed out before too. Trolls like to play with stupid things like Grammer, syntax and spelling, if they believe they have any clues of these themselves. They are mere dissembling tricks.
Your guessing about Economics is still prevalent. You are not comparing apples with apples by any shot and most if not all your figures are pure guesswork.
Germany my little man underwent a Re-unification about that number of years ago, and the German Economy which is quite stable like most European economies, for all the reasons i have already given, had to absorb the former East Germany. The economic ramifications of that are manyfold and quite out of your league to comprehend, you have yet to grasp the notion of fiat currencies and how history treats them. You are as has been observed before, by many a dunce. You cut and paste the wrods of others who blather better than you, to make it sound like you know something, but the follow-up posts show you could never have written the first one.
One thing which would never have ocurred to you, is that the countries you name have a very generous unemployment system. It is very easy for people to bludge in Europe and plenty do. Unemployment could be double that in the US and still be low as it happens. The simple fact is that if you are unemployed in the USA, you starve.
Here is an actual intelligent treatment of the issue, in contrast to your rubbish.
http://www.res.org.uk/society/mediabriefings/pdfs/2005/jan05/nickell.asp
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 10, 2005 at 10:19 PM
You sure do try to make your three clues stretch to a lot of imaginings Scorpy.
AGAIN Rabbit must point out that Scorpy makes up a lot of things about what Rabbit says. Rabbit has not supported European anything, merely pointed out what is. Scorpy relies on ad hock reasoning, opinions unsuported by actual facts, gleaned from others. Whoever in fact says what he wants to hear.
The fact of unemployment is not actually an indication of a strong or weak economy on its own Scorpy. The only thing which we are talking about is the future and why Scorpy has to keep delving into the past to find facts which do not actually have any bearing on the matter we are discussing is beyond Rabbit.
The thing we are talking about MIDGET MIND, is that the European economy is poised to displace the US economy to such an extent that the US economy is going to lose it’s artificial dominane by virtue of a unique situation wherby it’s fiat currency has been able to act as a defacto commodity almost. The US economy only dominates by virtue of the NUMBERS of DOLLARS. What is the result as those dollars decline in value? Thjey buy less and less of imported goods, they will only be able to be used to buy American goods. Problem, what are American goods? You already pointed out you have no manufacturing sector to speak of and many other itmes, notably ENERGY are imported.
Your economy is primarily service based. It is highly technical in your mind only sunshine, all the best technology has been imported the rest comes from elsewhere than the USA.
You will be left with more than enough Lawyers and Waiters and Janitors to go around, but what will you eat? What will you do for transport and so on…..............
More grist for the mill.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd129.htm
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 10, 2005 at 10:21 PM
Yoh Scorp
Lets back up a bit. -
Posted by scorp on October 8, 2005 at 11:25 PM
Quote the Scorp
Posted by Eadora on Oct 11, 2005 at 9:02 PM
Hooray for Eadora. Rabbit is always happy to see Eadora.. Wack that troll Eadora, he has had a lot but is still not softening up a bit.
Has Eadaora seen the Natalie Vampire has been lured from her radioactive cave? She is a very odd one that NAT.
Be well Eadora….....................................^^..................
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 11, 2005 at 10:50 PM
Eadora -
I had three simple points in my post about the dead babies, clearly stated:
1) Liberals were lying, as is their wont, about the number of dead babies.
2) The babies are dead because Saddam withheld food and medicine in order to buy golden palaces and illegal weapons for himself.
3) Mad Albright was a particularly dim bulb in a stupid and corrupt administration. That is why there is no need to comment on her or what she said.
>> So it was only a quarter million instead of a half million. I guess that makes it all right then huh Scorp? <<
Ummm, well, no. It is not all right. That is why we pulled Saddam out of the used septic tank, smelling like shit and looking like shit. And that is why Mr. Saddam is going to hang. I realize that hanging constitutes a grave injustice, but hanging is the worst that can be done to him under Iraqi law, so hanging it will be.
Hanging Saddam won’t bring back any dead babies, of course, but if we keep destroying killer regimes (Germany, Japan, Soviet Union, Taliban in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, soon Syria and Iran) and keep expanding the number of democracies (up by over 400% in the last century) the babies will live.
Then you will have to find something else to complain about.
Posted by scorp on Oct 12, 2005 at 6:19 PM
No Scorpy you and the corrupt and inhumane regime you are cheerleader for will still be here. This means we’ll still have plenty to complain about.
You are the problem. You are a dangerous lunatic.
You are a lunatic, this is shown by your postings. Assuming you have the vote, you are dangerous.
Saddam could never have killed those babies without the help of the US government, read about it.
Furthermore Scumbag, he is not around anymore and those babies are still dying at an even faster rate than they were under a sanctions crippled Baathist Government.
So suck it up you lame excuse for a man, you represent a point of view which is recognised among professionals as a condition.
A SOCIAL DISEASE.
http://www.new-enlightenment.com/conservatism_social_disease.htm
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 13, 2005 at 12:02 AM
From “How Long Can This Go On”.
Some fun facts for Scorpy to ignore.
“UPI correspondent Martin Sieff reported on Oct. 7 that U.S. wounded jumped from 16.3 per day at the end of September to 28.5 per day at the beginning of October. Multiply that daily rate by 30 days and you get 855 wounded per month. Approximately half of these are wounded too seriously to return to combat”
“Insurgents are killing Iraqi security personnel who are collaborating with the U.S. occupation at the rate of two or three hundred per month. The wounded numbers are much higher.
Last month, suicide bombers killed 481 Iraqis and wounded 1,074”
“On Oct. 5, Vice President Cheney let us know how long this commitment was to last: “Like other great duties in history, it will require decades of patient effort.”
Who’s going to pay for these decades of war to which the Bush administration is committing Americans? Already the U.S. is spending $7 billion a month on war in Iraq alone. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service says that if the Iraq war goes on another five years, it will cost at least $570 billion by 2010.
Bush’s war has already doubled the price of gasoline and home heating.
With U.S. forces bogged down in Afghanistan (invaded Oct. 7, 2001) and Iraq (invaded March 20, 2003), Bush is plotting regime change in Syria and conspiring to set up Iran for attack.
Is there a single person in the Office of Management and Budget, the U.S. Treasury, the Congressional Budget Office, or the Federal Reserve who thinks the U.S., already drowning in red ink, has the resources to fight wars for decades?”
http://www.rense.com/general67/howlongcanthisgo.htm
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 13, 2005 at 1:54 AM
Scorp thinks we destroyed the Soviet Union? Somehow I must have missed that one. I do remember we out-spent them. I do remember a huge deficit run up by Reagan to be able to out-spend them. An annual deficit that took over a decade to bring back to fiscal responsibility. I do remember a Soviet Premier named Gorbachov who ushered in Glostnost to begin reforms.
Of course Russia is now just a new form of corruption trying to mimmick American corruption.
Scorp probably defines Russia as a democracy. I wonder how he feels about Venezuala’s democracy. Probably doesn’t count it, because they have a leftist elected leader.
Hanging Saddam? Bet scorp loves the new Iraq with the death penalty. Looking around the world at all the “democracies” he counts, very few of them have the death penalty like we do. Death penalty countries are mostly non-democracies like Iran and Saudi Arabia with their public hangings. And until recently, we were one of only a handful of nations that applied the death penalty to our youth, associating ourselves with the worst regimes in the world.
I also must have missed the US destroying Libya as well. And of course Scorp purposely forgets that in World War II we were not alone, we had major allies (unlike in the Iraq War).
As to the Taliban, they are still around and fighting. I wouldn’t be so quick to think they are destroyed. Someday we’ll probably get tired of Afghanistan and pull out just like the Soviets did.
Since World War II the US has never created a democracy in another country through war. Afghanistan and Iraq are occupied “democracies.” Once our troops leave, our post WWII history gives no indication that a “democracy” is what will remain.
Scorps version of the truth is usually filled with holes, lies, inaccuracies and information that he/she would rather not mention. Sounds like Bush. They both must be revision historians.
Finally, Scorp thinks we’ve destroyed Iraq? What drugs is Scorp on? Certainly we destroyed their infrastructure and now we still can’t even repair it. Certainly Saddam is out of power, won’t argue with that. But to make some claim that somehow it’s a done deal is ignoring the facts of the daily death counts.
I imagine that Scorp can’t be too happy about the latest polling. NBC/Wall Street Journal poll has Bush’s approval rating at 39%. Only 28% believe the country is headed in the right direction. The most recent CBS poll, 64% oppose Bush’s handling of the War in Iraq. And a poll was just released that found that 50% were in favor of impeachment if Bush was found to have lied about reasons to attack Iraq. Which is interesting since now more than 50% believe Bush DID lie about Iraq.
The support for Bush is now just down to the Kool-Aid drinking, praying to their Bush-God, ignorers of truth. Bush has become the joke of America to all but the insane. Just watching the late night talk shows is enough evidence as they rip Bush (and Bush buddies) relentlessly. The media (except for FOX News) has turned against him finally, and he’ll never get them back. Scorp must be feeling pretty lonely these days.
I’d shed a tear for Scorp, except I’m sure he didn’t do so for those of us that knew the truth of Bush long before the rest of the public woke up.
Posted by Jon B on Oct 13, 2005 at 11:33 AM
Hang on there Jon, all OK except References to Iran as noy being a democracy.
Their recent elections were transparent, well attended and decisive. The international observers, (Who were unwelcome in USA) were satisfied that the process was all above board.
This is important, because Iran and Venezuala are healthier democracies than the USA and Rabbit has been making this point all along.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 13, 2005 at 5:14 PM
As for WWII Rabbit has ignored Scorpy’s claims that it was a US won war.
He obviously doesn’t know that Britain Australia, New Zealand and remnants of armies from many European countries as well were fighting that War for years before US invovlement. The Germans had been stopped and were being bled by the time the USA joined the party. Details of history which have no relevance on Scorpy’s brief cartoon histories.
Scorpy got all his info about WWII from old recruiting posters sounds like.
As for the Japs, Aussies and New Zealanders as well as Pommies did the daily drudge fighting in the pacific. The Yank involvement was more in large waves at irregular intervals. The rest of the time the Yank soldiers were based in Australian ports where “some” made pigs of themselves, Our own troops, my Grandfather was one, did not see home shores for several years between tours in New Guinea and various pacific Islands. Just a bit of nuance for that cartoon history lesson Scorpy lives with.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 13, 2005 at 5:23 PM
Yoh Rabbit!
Anybody!
How do you send a PM on this
Software sorry Site?
Can anybody tell me?
“Members” just gets me to my own Prof.
Cannot find access1?1?
Posted by Eadora on Oct 13, 2005 at 6:04 PM
DON’T PANIC, LAGOMORPH! DON’T PANIC, JON B! Panic does absolutely no good and it makes you look foolish.
>> Saddam could never have killed those babies without the help of the US government, read about it. <<
Saddam was an accomplished killer in his own right, including one million dead in aggressive wars, and something more than one million dead among his own Iraqi civilians. Massgraves website has documented 400,000 dead Iraqi civilians killed by Saddam’s Ba’athists, including victims of the Anfal, the Marsh Arabs pogrom, the Shi’ite suppression, and the various victims of Saddam’s prisons and extrajudicial executions. Doing the math, 47 Iraqi civilians were executed daily, on average, for the ~8500 days of Saddam’s Presidency - and that is only from the tally of bodies documented from the mass graves. Forty-seven dead per day is far more than al-Qa’eda is able to accomplish currently in spite of your hysterical rants about the number of dead in the War against the Terrorists. Counting all Saddam
Posted by scorp on Oct 13, 2005 at 6:36 PM
Eadora, I don’t think they have that service avaiable here.
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 13, 2005 at 9:18 PM
Yes Scorpy you are right, of coursae you know more about us than we do ourselves, so it is good we have you to tell us we are panicking.
As for Scorpy he is still sailing onwards in his ship of delusions like the fool his mother raised.
Good onya Scorpy.
Here is a little something repeated for you again from another thread you ran away from with your tail where your hand usually is.
By the way. Lest anybody forget, Rabbit is an Aussie. His Grandfather fought the Japanese and Rabbit has not been brought up to love the Japanese.
In truth Rabbit does not love the Japanese. As tourists they are as arrogant and almost as insensitive as Americans. They seem to Rabbit to suffer some deformity of soul as a people, around some rather gross expressions of sexuality. That is the best Rabbit can describe something which he feels is well represented by the Japanese cult films,
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 1:54 AM
Posted by GhostRabbit on October 13, 2005 at 9:41 PM from HERE .
More from Mike Rogers
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 1:57 AM
Hi Eadora
This software challenged site does not provide that service, as David points out.
Most around here would probably not be adverse to providing their contact if asked anyway.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 2:46 AM
Scorp, no panic here, just amazement at some of your historical beliefs and the use of absence of facts. And usually those absence of facts are to make sure you put your dig into Democrats and not Republicans. And trust me, I don’t have any love for Democrats any more than Republicans. But I will most certainly point out your one sided view of things.
To you apparently Viet Nam was all about Democrats, completely ignoring the Nixon years. Nixon who promised in his campaign to get out of Nam but went on to continue to wage the war and even escalate it. It took two parties to tangle in Nam, they both deserve raspberries. But your words completely ignore the Republican involvement. Even in the Johnson years there was Republican support in Congress.
From Scorp…“There has been much comment on you leftists who murder your fellow humans and lie about it.
Posted by Jon B on Oct 14, 2005 at 8:20 AM
To further elaborate. I’m far from some Wilsonian view that America must intervene with our military outside of our lands. It is more hypocrisy.
When we had our civil war, the North for instance was highly upset that France was considering siding with the Confederates and rightly so. This was our own domestic dispute and the North didn’t want some Wilsonian France getting involved (although the chances of France actually coming to America and fighting alongside the South was remote at best, it was more of a trade deal). Neither side in our Civil War wanted other countries involved for the other side.
In that same vein, I’m not in favor of America intervening in other nations problems in all but the most extreme circumstances (WWII, Nazi Germany comes to mind). They must work things out themselves because our history of intervention has clearly shown that what we leave when we go home is not necessarily a better result.
Nations change. The USSR of Stalin was not the same as the USSR of Brezhnev or Gorbachev for instance. They changed without our intervention within their borders. The Cold War had very little to do with changes in the USSR except we out-spent them in the arms race and interventionist wars. It was essentially a spending race as both countries saddled themselves with huge debt. Gorby decided he had had enough of that. We didn’t free The Ukraine or Georgia as you claim, we didn’t set one foot into those countries (except the CIA).
Ask yourself whether if another country in say 1850 had decided that our tyranny over African-Americans should not go on any longer, that they needed to intervene and fix our nation, what would have been the result? My thinking is that we would have joined North and South in mostly a solidarity and repulsed that country simply because we wouldn’t have wanted another nation to solve our problem. We would have had some people join the invading army, but not many.
What of 1954 or so. What if the UN had many nations decide that our Jim Crow laws in the south were so anti-human rights that resolutions were passed and a coalition decided to invade and remove our president?
And in todays atmosphere of WMDs ownership, we should have been inspected and then invaded because we used nukes on the Japanese. Make that about 1947 or ‘48 after World War II was over.
Crazy hypotheticals certainly, but Americans would have fought back bitterly in response. We would never have wanted other nations to impose their will on us.
And what makes us the ultimate arbiters of who has nukes? I’m not opposed to Iran having nukes. If I was Iranian and looked around at my neighboring countries and saw that Israel, Pakistan and India all had nukes, I’d want some as well so that the threat of MAD (mutual assured destruction) would help protect my nation.
What gave us the right to bring the Shah of Iran to power through a CIA led coup? And what did we really get except blowback?
Why do we continue to suck the teat of Saudi Arabia’s oil industry while they support terror groups and teach Whabbism around the Middle East? Blowback has resulted.
Why did we support Saddam Hussein during the Iran/Iraq War? Because we didn’t like the people of Iran after disposing of their cruel Shah and then the hostage situation. More blowback.
When will we ever learn that intervention has future results that we never see coming like not seeing the forest because of the trees?
And from just the few examples I’ve given, why do I highly suspect that Afghanistan and Iraq will not be the democracies I’ve been promised by the latest chimp running my country?
I’ll answer that question. Because we are too stupid to learn from our past, and much of that stupidity has come in my lifetime. Because I’ve watched presidents from both parties come up fairly empty in their promises and results of interventive wars.
Posted by Jon B on Oct 14, 2005 at 9:36 AM
Jon
That is an eminently sensible and considered post, it never ceases to amaze how such straight forward honest common sense can be spurned by others. It will be, just watch.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 6:05 PM
>> I don
Posted by scorp on Oct 14, 2005 at 7:20 PM
Scorpy would know about as much about Anarcho-Socialism as he knows about anything else, except his own navel.
He’s already been told by amny why his ideas are useless, they are based on a very onesided and limited view of history.
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Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 8:45 PM
What a quaint world Scorpy lives in, every time Rabbit reads his posts, Rabbit feels like he is in a time warp. Talking to someone who is actually living in the 1980’s still.
he has before referred to the need to bring “others” into the “Tentieth” century. Perhaps he is an evil timelord?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 8:47 PM
OK best not to give the troll any little toys. Correction.
He (Scorpy) has before referred to the need to bring
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 8:50 PM
Yoh! Scorp.
I can
Posted by Eadora on Oct 14, 2005 at 9:00 PM
Yoh! Scorp.
I can
Posted by Eadora on Oct 14, 2005 at 9:06 PM
Yoh! Scorp.
I can
Posted by Eadora on Oct 14, 2005 at 9:07 PM
This is how well off the food is Scorpy.
The Coming Starvation of America
http://www.rense.com/general67/starve.htm
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Have a read up on how well your little war freedom and improved conditions for the poor victims of Saddams predations. Scorpy Check out your war.
Iraqi Resistance Report - GRIM for somebody.
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/66432
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Have a look at how the LIES are doing dow-under, SCORPY.
NO Muslim Terrorist Organisations in Indonesia
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16898139%5E29277,00.html
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See what is in the news in other countries, even your allies Scorpy.
Iraq descended into anarchy.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article319160.ece
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The real reason the hated court appointed Fascist President Bush wants to go after the popular democratically elected Chavez!
http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/oil/oilcharts.html
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Scorpy would not be panicking of course, not Scorpy, he knows it is 1984, and it always will be.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 9:11 PM
HI Eadora…..........................................Hoppy Happy Rabbit sees you. It is Saturday morning, the sun is shining downunder and the small Rabbit and I are at the factory selling kayaks. How is Eadora.?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 14, 2005 at 9:14 PM
Jeebus Creets!
My post last night it would not go on to the forums.
This morning there are three of them!
Sorry about the mess! Maybe on the the moderators can delete the extraneous posts.
Posted by Eadora on Oct 15, 2005 at 5:27 AM
Computer gremlins always amuse me. Bad ‘puter.
Once upon a time,
I was in the process of proof reading and wondering if I had more to say when the screen refreshed to the top of the article page. I scrolled down and there was my post, posted without being submitted.
Be stern with your ‘puter, Eadora. Tell it to play nice with the ITT ‘puters.
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 15, 2005 at 12:09 PM
Glad is rabbit he has not got the only Gremlins on the Block.
His Wonky Computer has been up to a new kind of crashing the last few days, but Rabbit will ignore it as always, it soon goes away or settles into a pattern which is easy to recognise and avoid. Best to live and let live, even with Computer glitches is Rabbit’s office motto. Mrs rabbit sometimes interferes and everything gets fixed and tidead and it takes many months for things to feel “right” again.
It’s the Electrons we have to give attention to. There are so many of them, and they are really very effective things. You can communicate with them in every way imaginable, they are sooo puny that the most minute thing, even a thought can affect a good many of them at once. Recognising this, Rabbit always addresses all prayers and queries and “energy” into dealing with the workers, the ELECTRONS.
If we can learn to communicate with the electrons, directly, we can get them to even defy the Beastmen. They will do our will, instead of allowing themselves to be pressganged into spying on us, or lying to us, they will retaliate when they are ordered to shoot the missile or shut down the free radio.
Rabbit loves and honours the electrons and calls for othrs to at least remember them.
Electrons are to CYBER life, and Technology what the Bacteria and microorganisms are to Earth life. The greatest mass by far of all living things are bacteria and such microorganisms. They are the most essential to the survival of all life and not least the climate itself.
Then consider that all of them, including you and I, are being made possible by the crazy and weird, charging about antics of Electrons. Electrons mmove about like a wave, or a particle or just as a kind of energy, there is no single definition which suffices. Electrons can move through the dimension of time as easily as the three dimesions with which we are most familiar.
Electrons are measurably involved in what evidence there is of the unseen dimensions involved in what we usually think of as the paranormal.
Rabbit respects the elctrons. They are like multi-dimensional ANTS, who are prepared to be life’s servants, rather than servants to their own colony. I guess we really are the colony of the Electrons. Maybe the Electrons are GOD?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 15, 2005 at 8:11 PM
Interesting that your one-sided view can remember Rawanda, but can’t see headlines of this past year, Sudan. Bush completely ignored the bloodshed in that country. But oops, Bush is a Republican. Don’t want to critize your own party do you?
When will the political party kool-aid drinkers ever understand that it is BOTH parties. The reason is simple, follow-the-leader. In America we are told to pick a side and bow down to the leaders, when it really is that BOTH parties are corrupt.
Politically most Americans think of themselves as “independent” or “free-thinkers” when in fact most Americans are told who to vote for, and they lamely accept that. We are given two choices of little difference, candidates that blather on with the same old tired ideas. Actually many times incumbents run unopposed, giving us only one choice and the voters check the box for that only choice thinking “I did my duty, I’m (small “d”) democratic.” If that one candidate is from the party that a person adores, then they think “I won.”
The fact is no voter wins, the candidate wins. Then after the election the voters go back to their lives content in trusting that that “winner” will rule over them in complete agreement with every viewpoint they personally have. I have yet to see a politician that 100% believes in eveything I do. I have never had a representative actually represent me. When every American can say that their viewpoint counts, then we will have a democracy.
I’m not a millionaire, not even close. Yet of all the federally elected officials, a whopping three-quarters of them are millionaires. They absolutely don’t represent me based on income alone. So, in America where 90-some percent are not millionaires we decide that it’s important to have millionaires represent us. We send them off to Washington to make laws to rule over us. Millionaires making laws for the vast majority of America, now there’s insanity. And to top it off, we’re suppose to believe that absolutely no self interest exists in all these elected millionaires.
This is not a country of “We the People.” This is a nation of “We the ruled by the elite.” But of course most people take comfort in being ruled over. Most people are followers of “heros” whether politicians or actors or CEOs or athletes. Most people accept a reality that others are better than them. Most people won’t admit to that, but it’s true none-the-less.
A day will come when Americans demand a new system. Look at current polling. Bush’s approval rating 38%. Congress’ approval rating in the 30% range. The media approval rating, in the 40’s. Distrust of corporations is above 70% and has been for about two decades. Even religious institutions don’t get much trust anymore. We exist in a system we don’t even approve of, how sad. The fact is that Americans instinctively know our society is corrupt. They know this because we exist in it, we see it every day on TV, in our jobs, in politics local and national.
Nearly every top down organization in this country has some form of corruption. Americans instinctively know this as well. And if no corruption is publicly evident, we expect it some day.
The Scorps of America will defend their party when confronted with evidence of corruption by pointing their finger the other direction. How often I’ve heard in the last five years, “Look at the Clintons…” As if two wrongs make a right. The same with capitalism. Quick, point at communism. I say again, I don’t defend communism, it was top down corruption like capitalism. Pointing from one bad system to another bad system doesn’t defend a bad system.
But I forgot, the scorps think in black and white, up or down, left or right. Thinking any other way for them is apparently called “nuetral.”
Posted by Jon B on Oct 16, 2005 at 8:22 AM
I had to laugh at the Republicans when the “oil for food” program was found to be corrupt. They were so fast to jump all over the UN, but wait…It turns out American companies were involved. Once that was revealed the attack rhetoric was deafening in its new found silence.
There’s an expression that I’ve always liked. “When you point your finger, you’ve got three more pointing back at you.” For those kool-aid drinking scorpys that might not understand that expression, point at something and then look at your hand.
Go on and continue to defend the Tom Delays, the Karl Roves, the Bill Frists. Most Americans see it for what it is, corruption. Pointing your finger at Democrats (or the media), blaming them for those guys troubles is so predictable. Why don’t you try a new tactic? Throw the bums out. Purge your party of corruption, novel idea, eh?
Not in America. Admitting to mistakes (and then actually paying for those mistakes) is not to be done. Once in power (and power does corrupt) no apologies. So, since cleaning up your own house is not an option, you’ll eventually lose that power. The Democrats will assume power some day and of course procede to abuse it just like you guys.
American politics is so predictable these days. Political party coin flipping. The losers of course are not either party, it’s “We the People.”
Posted by Jon B on Oct 16, 2005 at 8:53 AM
Eadora, .. and I should have also said how happy I am that your post(s) made it through the wilderness. Three times is OK too. Much there worth repeating. hehe
Jon B, Excellent posts. Politics, in my country as well, has become a predictable exercise in ” tossing the rascals out “. Out with the old, in with the new. But the new is the same as the old : corrupt and selfish.
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 16, 2005 at 1:37 PM
>> Interesting that your one-sided view can remember Rawanda, but can
Posted by scorp on Oct 16, 2005 at 4:48 PM
Scorpy everyone knows you are a hysterical ball of bombastic delusions. You are a hypocritical fascist and you have never done more than repeat isolated one-sided versions of history. You have never offered anything but your word to back up anything you say and we already know that you have nothing except a standard set of Ditto ideas. The majority of people on this site are vastly better educated than you, we are actually aware of all your historical examples but we can also place them in relation to the rest of history. For us the world does not start and stop everytime you turn on your television.
Rabbit has to admit that most of the time he just skims your rubbish because it is repeats, unsourced and hysterical. You’ve already made all two of your points and used an imagined variety of almost every historical event from the seige of Troy to the illegal and unjust attack of Iraq in 2003. You’ve made your attitudes clear and we are universally disgusted by you. If you wish to remain for us to taunt and abuse in creative ways as the urge takes us, by all means do so.
As for being considered a part of any discussions, Rabbit for one does not see you as being of any relevance. You have steadfastly refused to debate honourably, look at anything anyone writes or post any sort of reference to back up anything you go on about.
The only time you ever appear to answer anything someone else has said, is when you put words in others’ mouths. You are not even original. Rabbit thinks you may even be a Shill. Otherwise you are merely the most obnoxious Troll it has been Rabbit’s experience to discover.
To be frank we have far more creative dittoheads available for amusement and much more intelligent and reasonable conservatives with whom to actually debate. You are nought but an extreme example of a hysterical screeching Fascist as it sinks into the swamp of it’s own creation.
Goodbye Scorpy!
Actually we are waiting for you to die so we can have an uncorruptible system.
Once people like you are extinct, and you are well on the way there….........we might have a chance of peace and honourable politics.
You make the evil possible.
Sick Scorpy.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 16, 2005 at 5:11 PM
By the way Scorpy the fool, “OLD” Europe, (What constitutes New Europe?) is not going the way of socialism.. You sure do have some wacky ideas, the deeper the ditto, the stupider it gets.
EU - Europe, Old New and middle aged, is actually an example of the ultimate capitalist state. Much the same as the USA eventually. They are just starting with the bureacracy at high revs. It is inevitably going to be another great Fascist State like the USA has become. Inevitably though it is an even bigger state and will out-compete the USA economically speaking. It is happening now and the details have been liberally posted for anybody who can, to read.
The competition is only happening because the USA is determined to hog the worlds energy.
Chances are Scorpy if your mob keep control of the government, you and Rabbit will be looking at each other from either end of a fire-stick. You want to hope that Rabbit is on the pointy end, because Rabbit doesn’t often miss.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 16, 2005 at 5:21 PM
Yoh Scorp!
I wish I had more time to expound but here are a couple of LINKS
Links that will correct & clarify some misinformation, that you fed our readers,
regarding Mr. Borlaug.
Posted by scorp on October 14, 2005 at 9:20 PM
Yak Yak ..
Posted by Eadora on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:26 PM
One small caveat regarding freemarket inspired liberation!
FreeMarket Corporations like to quote Dr. Borlaug when they are trying to sell and monopolize the latest HOT WIRED GM (geneticly modified) seeds.
Right now the LIBERATED people of Iraq must buy all their seeds from these Corporations. Or stand to be legally prosecuted.
That is one of the conditions of their LIBERATION.
Posted by Eadora on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:58 PM
Eadora -
I don’t wish to criticize your understanding of plain English, because I might sound like the Cretinous Lagomorph. But you really should pay attention to what you read, and to what you write.
Posted by scorp on Oct 17, 2005 at 7:12 PM
Wow Scorpy!
Quote the Scorp
Posted by Eadora on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:16 PM
Eadora has shown you for the GOATHEAD you are Scorpy, yet again.
As Eadora points out the USA is very much into subsidies, it is the single thing anybody in the rest of the world thinks when thinking of US agricultural policies. You subsidise, nobody else may.
No matter how many of our lines you steal you wizened minded creep, you are still talking shit, lying through your rotten teeth and spruiking for Fascism.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:44 PM
Here is a good article I think.
Don’t you read it Scorpy, it is absolutely not for your eyes. It is secret Lefty crap so don’t go peeking. Why would you want to see it anyway, you never read any sourcve we usually post, so DON’T read this one.
http://www.rense.com/general68/tom.htm
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:47 PM
Noteworthy dates in 20th-Century American history:
1917 - When World War I began.
1918 - When the U.S. won World War I.
1941 - When World War II began.
1945 - When the U.S. won World War II.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 17, 2005 at 10:37 PM
Eadora
Posted by scorp on Oct 18, 2005 at 7:09 PM
Eadora is going to crush you twerp, but if she is too busy Rabbit will gladly do so on her behalf.
Even new comers to the site are fascinated by such a twat as what you are. You are such a stubborn little moron you are liable to become a tourist attraction Scorpy.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 19, 2005 at 12:52 AM
Much as Rabbit would relish the chance of replying to it, this Moron is Eadora’s now, DO give it an extra wack for Rabbit though, Eadora.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 19, 2005 at 12:54 AM
Welfare reform ?
You mean the policy of removing the federal money
for the people who need assistance in order for them to make even less money in the “Private “sector??
read “Nickled and Dimed” by Barbera Ehrenreich
Posted by R.B.Green on Oct 19, 2005 at 2:17 AM
Just for the great economic sage Scorpy is re-posted this Rabbit just posted in another thread.
Has we seen the news about Gates?
Bill Gates has just dumped his US reserves…...................................and changed to EUROs.
Where is Scorpy? ..............OUCH….......
Venezuala dropped their 5 Billion or whatever they had and went Euro the other day, but that is a drop in the bucket to Gates
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 20, 2005 at 8:44 PM
SELF IRONY AT ITS BEST.
scorpy says the following with a straight face.
“You ...........have no thought in your head except to criticize those who bring democracy and economic well-being to the world. So stick your thumb in your ear and your finger up your butt, and complain all you want to; you don
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 20, 2005 at 9:52 PM
ZINGER - good one Rabbit. He’s got you there Scorp.
Posted by David in Canada on Oct 20, 2005 at 10:16 PM
Scorp - I Quote you.
Posted by Eadora on Oct 20, 2005 at 10:48 PM
Hi Eadora….........do the [url=“http://tinyurl.com/6l9ok”] for rabbit please, when you get the time….........
here is the ref for gates, but it should be up there already.
just for eadora Rabbit will post it as a Hyperlink….................<a href=“http://tinyurl.com/7kyu7”>hee hee[/url]...........................
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 20, 2005 at 11:01 PM
Dam it all got ruined.
The url is
http://tinyurl.com/7kyu7
as can be seen mid in the failed post.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 20, 2005 at 11:07 PM
How can we stop this ??
the voodoo is building…....
bills on the table in congress yesterday are taking away the nessesary assistance
for low income families/individuals to go to school,feed their family,survive on less than a living wage and giving tax breaks to corporate interests (halliburton?!?!?) in order for those “dollars to “Trickle Down?!?!” to whom???
Looking at the oil spills in the gulf I ask
who really cares.
The answer is - Prussian Blue cares
as long as you are White
Welcome to America
another great book
Guns, Germs, And Steel
by Jared Diamond
Politics are so far under the true facts.
Posted by R.B.Green on Oct 21, 2005 at 5:35 AM
Thread is dead?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Oct 23, 2005 at 8:23 PM
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Posted by Rabbit on Oct 30, 2005 at 11:20 PM
bugger
Posted by Rabbit on Oct 30, 2005 at 11:28 PM
Naughty Rabbit playing here, trys to teach electrons new tricks, in a quiet corner. If anybody is concerned you have but to tell the Rabbit and he will stop in a blink.
Maybe
Wabbit tries to make the thick one in the box, and the slanty one too
Did it work?
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 7, 2005 at 3:26 AM
Yes…........happy Rabbit has a new trick…..............^^....................
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” But during several of their court hearings, VitW repeatedly asked why humanitarian organizations were prosecuted while companies that broke sanctions for profit were not fined or penalized. “
Corporate profits good. Humanitarian efforts baaad.
I am shocked. Not.
” A policy that leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children is criminal, “
Let’s see what Madeline Albright says : “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price
It is always easy to recognise that special Compassion, so unique to American Democracy.
It is certainly a relief to see that these supporters of a Saddam Hussein and his Terrorist Nation have been brought to justice.
It is partly because of people like VitW the USA had to attack Iraq in the first place, the traitors.
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and you can quote that..^^..
“Maybe one day the war criminals will be doing the time in jail rather than the people trying to help the innocent victims.”
Don’t hold your breath.
This presupposes they would go quietly.
Now what in all the actions of this Insane Junta has led you to believe they would ever choose the lesser of two evils, when given a choice?
Mr Cheney Sir would you please give us the suitcase and the keys sir, and then go to prison for a long time..
George, give the nice man the button, give the man the button George and come down from that tree, don’t touch that bottle, please George give up the button and go into the cage.
How exactly does anyone propose to catch these Monsters? It’s all very well to decide the village is going to exterminate the Monster, but how?
I wanna know who’s next
Who’s next to be busted? or Who’s next to be “LIBERATED”?
Gotta love that “freedom.”
Thanks feds, you’re all about the freedom for Americans. I mean Iraqis. I mean corporate shareholders. That’s it.
Free the shareholders and criminal CEO’s!
May Kenneth Lay never be sent to prison for stealing billions. Now that’s “freedom.”
Gotta love when shrub says “freedom” through that plastic sneer of his.
A few more right wing nutjob judges and Bush can finally pull the flush handle on America.
Martial law is freedom. Police state is security.
Hate is love.
Hey—everyone else babbles incessantly here…
Isn’t babbling what one does when the muzzle is off?
When the muzzle comes off we can bite.
If something needs muzzling, you might as well lock it up or kill it.
Only insane and dangerous creatures should ever need muzzling of course.
Muddled Thinking Produces Muddled History Produces Lying Liberal Losers
To understand a given situation, you must understand the history and context of the situation. Up to this point, every single comment on this thread has supported the poor, abused VitW and their efforts to violate United States law. Such justification as is offered by the various posters for their comments relies on selective use of historical realities and grossly leftist ideological interpretations of the closely-culled data.
So, David says:
>> War criminals in power. Maybe one day the war criminals will be doing the time in jail rather than the people trying to help the innocent victims. <<
Eidolon Lagomorph repeats the above quote from David, and helpfully identifies President Bush and VP Cheney as the criminals under discussion, with the added implication that President Bush is insane, or something. But David is Canadian, and Lagomorph is Oz, and perhaps they do not have democracy and the rule of law in those places. In a democracy, criminality is determined in a court, not by a leftist totalitarian regime, as in the Soviet Union, and certainly not by a bunch of leftist ideologues on a leftist blog. Now President Clinton was found guilty of perjury, but he is the only sitting American President who has ever been determined to be a criminal. So allegations of criminality are grossly inappropriate in this circumstance.
Similarly, David and Lagomorph misreport the article
(Cont.)
And then David dredges up this piece of historical crap:
>> A policy that leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children is criminal. (para) Let
Hello Scorp
Glad you find me amusing because the feeling is mutual.
Scorpy as always putting words in other peoples mouths and attacking them thus..
“And Lagomorph, ever helpful, specifically and sarcastically states:
>> May Kenneth Lay never be sent to prison for stealing billions. Now that
We have discussed the Economy and Rabbit will just re-post a little something along these lines especially for Scorpy.
Have a look at these two recent
The rest of the world just decided the USA is not going to retain control of the internet…....What’s going on, Scorpy, they are not towing the line….... Scorpy the world just “CONFISCATED” the internet from the USA. Uncle Sam is not happy, he made an angry face but the world said, give, and Sammy must give.
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,16376,1585288,00.html
What this means is that you don’t call all the shots anymore, and that is a change.
Just subtle hints here Scorpy but those who see with open eyes can see it clear as day.
Eidolon Lagomorph -
You got me, Lagomorph. It was John that had the Ken Lay quote, not you. My apologies.
Other than that, you have not answered a single one of my points on this thread; instead you rush off in other directions unrelated to the original article.
The rest of your posts are your usual nonsense. Economically, you keep confusing cause and effect. The USA is the world’s strongest economy because strong policies create strong results. That does not mean we are perfect, and it does not mean we are not subject to outside shocks, such as natural disasters. It does mean that we can rebuild, and that we can minimize damages when something happens. The biggest damages the American economy has sustained in the last thirty years were self-inflicted; the Carter Catastrophe and the Bubba Bubble.
On several occasions, you have spoken highly of Venezuela’s actions. Venezuela is a leftist totalitarian state, meaning that it can never realize its economic and political potential; totalitarian controls necessarily result and inefficiency and corruption, as in the defunct Soviet Union. The strengths of Venezuela are, first, the talents and capabilities of her people, and secondly, her natural resources, primarily oil. But Venezuela
Most of your drivel is predictable Scorpy.
Your understanding of Venezuala is on a par with your usual standards of comprehension of anything outside your own immediate experience. Your experience of Venezuala is probably about the same as Rabbit’s but Rabbit’s opinion is based upon an open minded evaluation of what those who actually “DO KNOW” say about it. A selection for your edification. Imperfect a story as it will tell, the evidence is in the eating. Venezuala is succeeding in ways that the USA still dreams about, but can only dream for now…...................
The following shows not only that this is a healthy democracy in “PRACTICE” but that Chavez is undisputably a popular leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_recall_referendum,_2004
“The line has been put out that he’s a dictator. George W Bush was elected by computer in Florida, but the “dictator” is Hugo Chavez, elected by 70% of the popular vote
What makes Scorpy now adopt the new posture about Rabbit’s opinions? When did Rabbit say he found anything attractive about the Euro.
Pay close attention to this statement, because it is the first opinion I have offerred about the Euro or about the EU.
Rabbit was living peacefully in Scandinavia, Danmark as it happens when the EU was still in it’s earlier stages. The Euro was little more than an idea, at the time, the whole thing was in getting certain “key” nations to sign on the dotted line.
Rabbit was one of the minority who stood up and vociferously challenged the EU when it was put to the Danish population in a referendum in 1992 where we won by a narrow margin, only to be cheated by the government who pulled a stunt. Then the Danes, to whom Rabbit is joined by marriage, said no to the Euro in 2000. Facts are facts whether we like them or not, another little hint to help you Scorpy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_947000/947798.stm
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Rabbit does not sing the praises of the Euro., Rabbit merely observes that it is in conflict with the Dollar, and as such is actually a massive weapon against the USA. The biggest WMD there is maybe. Scorpy has a strangely black and white view. The colours are assigned arbitrarily as well it would seem. Scorpy has it never occurred to you that none of the major players on the world scene have yours or my interests at heart? It is certainly foremost in the mind of Rabbit and other sensible beings around the place.
There are no OLD EUROPEAN economies. That is the point of the EU, you silly Turkey. It is a NEW economy.
The prat you posted about what props up the Euro is just insane guessing by yourself, you feeble fencer. As for what Props up” the American Dollar, what the hell do you think makes the American economy work. Do you actually believe that you are a big industrial manufacturing nation? Do you actually believe that there is some sort of gross export of anything from the USA except little green pieces of paper?
Europe has a population base more thanm twice the USA and it is a much more highly educated and sophisticated group of people on average. One of the positive effects which is expected to come of EU mebership is a raising of standards in areas like education and health care among member nations who are lagging.
Scorpy instead of going (Sic) (sic) (sic) like a Turkey, do as Rabbit does with yours and others’ spelling errors, ignore them or graciously correct them upon quoting. It would not be taken amiss. But to break up a slightly garbled sentence this way is petty, and it was no more incoherant than that you got the idea in one.
The FACT is being established in short order, in court as to what is known widely as a fact, and you got it in one. Denial will be no defence, oh ignorant Gobbler.
For now it is enough to settle for an acceptance that the result was so bloody close it needed a court case toi settle it, and that never did make the stink go further than investigations ongoing. The important point is not the spelling or the piddly details, the point was being made that you do not have a democracy to hold up as an example to a nation with 70% support for it’s president. EG: Venezuala.
Oh and Rabbit was unaware that Michael Moron was saying the elections were fraud as well as most of the rest of us. But if you say so Scorpy. Meanwhile these are some of the others who also think so.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://www.legitgov.org/9_1_1_oddities.html
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/election-fraud.htm
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1065
Even a Wikipedia reference for you Scorpy,....Gobble Gobble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._Election_controversies_and_irregularities
...........Gobble Gobble Gobble…...........
Since we are on the subject Rabbit will expound a little more on his experience of the European economy, via an admittedly privelaged nation, Danmark. Generalisations about Europeans are doomed to failure, even more readily than generalisations about Americans or any group of people, the bigger the group. Nevertheless, a couple of things stand out.
Europeans save money. They really do save money for a rainy day. In fact they work efficiently due to technology and attitude and they have great working conditions and hours, 35 hour week was/is the goal, and it was close even when Rabbit lived there. There is a much better standard of health care and social service generally which ensures care of the elderly and the weak. There are extremes of behaviour, but the worst crimes are less common there than the USA. These people have usually got less distance to travel, and get by with alternative forms of transport more often than Americans or Oz.
This is why they have not got two cars per family, and why they can afford to maintain those cars at the high standards which are required. They have had higher but more stable Energy prices, because they too are being gouged.
The important point is that they actually have a LOT of wealth in the hands of private people. An already HUGE and burgeoning economy which is already a bigger energy user than the USA, and the whole circus is almost as certain to get even better as the US economy is certain to get worse.
Or another government with about 65% of the popular vote…...................IRAN….Another democratic government by the usual definition of the word. Our definition, Scorpy, not the definition of a fascist. Our definition is “elected by majority in a transparent election”.
15 year olds can vote in Iran…............ Scorpy
Oh Scorpy…“The USA is the world
Eidolon Lagomorph -
Don’t get your knickers in a knot, Lagomorph. I am not given to commenting on spelling and typos, but you do have an obligation to be coherent. The sentence I quoted was incomprehensible. You do not have very good reasoning powers to start with, and mangling your syntax and spelling, along with your egocentric manner of expression, certainly does not promote clarity in discussion.
>> Do you actually believe that you are a big industrial manufacturing nation? <<
No, of course not. Don’t be ridiculous. Why would the USA want to be a “big industrial manufacturing nation” in this day and age? We have other countries that are more than happy to do our manufacturing for us, more cheaply than we can do it ourselves. Our competitive advantage is in high tech, automation, financial services, medical, pharmaceutical, entertainment, stuff like that. We have among the highest per cap incomes in the world doing the things we do best; why in the hell would we want to go back to “industrial manufacturing”? Are you crazy?
Your economic ignorance is quite astonishing, Lagomorph. You keep commenting/complaining about the American dollar, the Euro, savings, wealth, and you know nothing of which you speak:
>> There are no OLD EUROPEAN economies. <<
Well, yes, there are. France. Germany. Belgium. They have had double digit unemployment for fifteen years. They have had essentially no growth during this period. From the World Fact Book, these three countries had 7.7 million unemployed in 2004. If even half of them had been employed, extrapolated out for fifteen years that is over 57 million man-years of labor. Think how many things could have been accomplished with 57 million man-years of labor: autos, houses, airplanes, poetry, music, medical breakthroughs. But instead of producing things for the rest of us, all these people were on the dole, consuming what others produced. That is a crime. Even worse, it is a mistake.
>> Since the 1970s, America has created some 57 million new jobs, compared to just 4 million in Europe (with most of those in government). For the last quarter century, the United States has enjoyed consistently higher rates of economic growth and productivity than European countries, and the gap has been widening. The United States is now at the forefront in many critical global industries, particularly finance, technology, and entertainment. <<
>> http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleid.18720/article_detail.asp <<
Every time you open your mouth, Lagomorph, you increase the sum total of human ignorance. Are you unemployed, by any chance?
IDIOT SCORPY, the sentence was sufficiently comprehensible that you got the meaninmg first time. You proved it you dunce. Incomprehensible would mean you didn’t get it. You are a dingbat.
Not for the first time Rabbit points out that he is not given to being greatly disturbed by you as a rule, and he certainly has never displayed the characteristic hysteria which accompanies Scorpy’s weird blatherings. So get over your one line wonder, nobody else is clapping.
The fool just blew himself out of the water as usual. The point that you make is also mine, dummy, you do indeed have to pay “Others” for manufacturing, and all those other things you mention you dummy, are also bought from overseas. You are stupid enough to assume American companies manufacture anything in the USA. Fewer and fewer do you dunce because it is as you say CHEAPER to do so elsewhere. Even though you have long since lost a union movement, conditions for american workers is poor by world standards. Rabbit has qualifications in Occupational Health and Safety and knows the US system is a poor example at least.
Your dimwitted hysteria shows through whenever you demonstrate you have read only some of any posts you reply to. Rabbit has mentioned his occupation on enough occasions that most should know Rabbit owns a small Polyethylene Kayak factory.
Have never been unemployed except by choice, Scorpy.
Now what was that about ignorance?
The thing is since you the ordinary American have to by all these imported goods, you have only Dollars to buy them with , and the dollar has been supported for a long time by an artificial situation which is now in the throes of collapse. You are not one to talk about reasoning Scorpy you are quite famous for your own tortured and contradictory reasoning, and you are the only one making your ridiculous claims about Rabbit’s incomprehensibility. The small mistakes here and there are left specifically for the amusement of Trolls as has been pointed out before too. Trolls like to play with stupid things like Grammer, syntax and spelling, if they believe they have any clues of these themselves. They are mere dissembling tricks.
Your guessing about Economics is still prevalent. You are not comparing apples with apples by any shot and most if not all your figures are pure guesswork.
Germany my little man underwent a Re-unification about that number of years ago, and the German Economy which is quite stable like most European economies, for all the reasons i have already given, had to absorb the former East Germany. The economic ramifications of that are manyfold and quite out of your league to comprehend, you have yet to grasp the notion of fiat currencies and how history treats them. You are as has been observed before, by many a dunce. You cut and paste the wrods of others who blather better than you, to make it sound like you know something, but the follow-up posts show you could never have written the first one.
One thing which would never have ocurred to you, is that the countries you name have a very generous unemployment system. It is very easy for people to bludge in Europe and plenty do. Unemployment could be double that in the US and still be low as it happens. The simple fact is that if you are unemployed in the USA, you starve.
Here is an actual intelligent treatment of the issue, in contrast to your rubbish.
http://www.res.org.uk/society/mediabriefings/pdfs/2005/jan05/nickell.asp
You sure do try to make your three clues stretch to a lot of imaginings Scorpy.
AGAIN Rabbit must point out that Scorpy makes up a lot of things about what Rabbit says. Rabbit has not supported European anything, merely pointed out what is. Scorpy relies on ad hock reasoning, opinions unsuported by actual facts, gleaned from others. Whoever in fact says what he wants to hear.
The fact of unemployment is not actually an indication of a strong or weak economy on its own Scorpy. The only thing which we are talking about is the future and why Scorpy has to keep delving into the past to find facts which do not actually have any bearing on the matter we are discussing is beyond Rabbit.
The thing we are talking about MIDGET MIND, is that the European economy is poised to displace the US economy to such an extent that the US economy is going to lose it’s artificial dominane by virtue of a unique situation wherby it’s fiat currency has been able to act as a defacto commodity almost. The US economy only dominates by virtue of the NUMBERS of DOLLARS. What is the result as those dollars decline in value? Thjey buy less and less of imported goods, they will only be able to be used to buy American goods. Problem, what are American goods? You already pointed out you have no manufacturing sector to speak of and many other itmes, notably ENERGY are imported.
Your economy is primarily service based. It is highly technical in your mind only sunshine, all the best technology has been imported the rest comes from elsewhere than the USA.
You will be left with more than enough Lawyers and Waiters and Janitors to go around, but what will you eat? What will you do for transport and so on…..............
More grist for the mill.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd129.htm
Yoh Scorp
Lets back up a bit. -
Posted by scorp on October 8, 2005 at 11:25 PM
Quote the Scorp
Hooray for Eadora. Rabbit is always happy to see Eadora.. Wack that troll Eadora, he has had a lot but is still not softening up a bit.
Has Eadaora seen the Natalie Vampire has been lured from her radioactive cave? She is a very odd one that NAT.
Be well Eadora….....................................^^..................
Eadora -
I had three simple points in my post about the dead babies, clearly stated:
1) Liberals were lying, as is their wont, about the number of dead babies.
2) The babies are dead because Saddam withheld food and medicine in order to buy golden palaces and illegal weapons for himself.
3) Mad Albright was a particularly dim bulb in a stupid and corrupt administration. That is why there is no need to comment on her or what she said.
>> So it was only a quarter million instead of a half million. I guess that makes it all right then huh Scorp? <<
Ummm, well, no. It is not all right. That is why we pulled Saddam out of the used septic tank, smelling like shit and looking like shit. And that is why Mr. Saddam is going to hang. I realize that hanging constitutes a grave injustice, but hanging is the worst that can be done to him under Iraqi law, so hanging it will be.
Hanging Saddam won’t bring back any dead babies, of course, but if we keep destroying killer regimes (Germany, Japan, Soviet Union, Taliban in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, soon Syria and Iran) and keep expanding the number of democracies (up by over 400% in the last century) the babies will live.
Then you will have to find something else to complain about.
No Scorpy you and the corrupt and inhumane regime you are cheerleader for will still be here. This means we’ll still have plenty to complain about.
You are the problem. You are a dangerous lunatic.
You are a lunatic, this is shown by your postings. Assuming you have the vote, you are dangerous.
Saddam could never have killed those babies without the help of the US government, read about it.
Furthermore Scumbag, he is not around anymore and those babies are still dying at an even faster rate than they were under a sanctions crippled Baathist Government.
So suck it up you lame excuse for a man, you represent a point of view which is recognised among professionals as a condition.
A SOCIAL DISEASE.
http://www.new-enlightenment.com/conservatism_social_disease.htm
From “How Long Can This Go On”.
Some fun facts for Scorpy to ignore.
“UPI correspondent Martin Sieff reported on Oct. 7 that U.S. wounded jumped from 16.3 per day at the end of September to 28.5 per day at the beginning of October. Multiply that daily rate by 30 days and you get 855 wounded per month. Approximately half of these are wounded too seriously to return to combat”
“Insurgents are killing Iraqi security personnel who are collaborating with the U.S. occupation at the rate of two or three hundred per month. The wounded numbers are much higher.
Last month, suicide bombers killed 481 Iraqis and wounded 1,074”
“On Oct. 5, Vice President Cheney let us know how long this commitment was to last: “Like other great duties in history, it will require decades of patient effort.”
Who’s going to pay for these decades of war to which the Bush administration is committing Americans? Already the U.S. is spending $7 billion a month on war in Iraq alone. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service says that if the Iraq war goes on another five years, it will cost at least $570 billion by 2010.
Bush’s war has already doubled the price of gasoline and home heating.
With U.S. forces bogged down in Afghanistan (invaded Oct. 7, 2001) and Iraq (invaded March 20, 2003), Bush is plotting regime change in Syria and conspiring to set up Iran for attack.
Is there a single person in the Office of Management and Budget, the U.S. Treasury, the Congressional Budget Office, or the Federal Reserve who thinks the U.S., already drowning in red ink, has the resources to fight wars for decades?”
http://www.rense.com/general67/howlongcanthisgo.htm
Scorp thinks we destroyed the Soviet Union? Somehow I must have missed that one. I do remember we out-spent them. I do remember a huge deficit run up by Reagan to be able to out-spend them. An annual deficit that took over a decade to bring back to fiscal responsibility. I do remember a Soviet Premier named Gorbachov who ushered in Glostnost to begin reforms.
Of course Russia is now just a new form of corruption trying to mimmick American corruption.
Scorp probably defines Russia as a democracy. I wonder how he feels about Venezuala’s democracy. Probably doesn’t count it, because they have a leftist elected leader.
Hanging Saddam? Bet scorp loves the new Iraq with the death penalty. Looking around the world at all the “democracies” he counts, very few of them have the death penalty like we do. Death penalty countries are mostly non-democracies like Iran and Saudi Arabia with their public hangings. And until recently, we were one of only a handful of nations that applied the death penalty to our youth, associating ourselves with the worst regimes in the world.
I also must have missed the US destroying Libya as well. And of course Scorp purposely forgets that in World War II we were not alone, we had major allies (unlike in the Iraq War).
As to the Taliban, they are still around and fighting. I wouldn’t be so quick to think they are destroyed. Someday we’ll probably get tired of Afghanistan and pull out just like the Soviets did.
Since World War II the US has never created a democracy in another country through war. Afghanistan and Iraq are occupied “democracies.” Once our troops leave, our post WWII history gives no indication that a “democracy” is what will remain.
Scorps version of the truth is usually filled with holes, lies, inaccuracies and information that he/she would rather not mention. Sounds like Bush. They both must be revision historians.
Finally, Scorp thinks we’ve destroyed Iraq? What drugs is Scorp on? Certainly we destroyed their infrastructure and now we still can’t even repair it. Certainly Saddam is out of power, won’t argue with that. But to make some claim that somehow it’s a done deal is ignoring the facts of the daily death counts.
I imagine that Scorp can’t be too happy about the latest polling. NBC/Wall Street Journal poll has Bush’s approval rating at 39%. Only 28% believe the country is headed in the right direction. The most recent CBS poll, 64% oppose Bush’s handling of the War in Iraq. And a poll was just released that found that 50% were in favor of impeachment if Bush was found to have lied about reasons to attack Iraq. Which is interesting since now more than 50% believe Bush DID lie about Iraq.
The support for Bush is now just down to the Kool-Aid drinking, praying to their Bush-God, ignorers of truth. Bush has become the joke of America to all but the insane. Just watching the late night talk shows is enough evidence as they rip Bush (and Bush buddies) relentlessly. The media (except for FOX News) has turned against him finally, and he’ll never get them back. Scorp must be feeling pretty lonely these days.
I’d shed a tear for Scorp, except I’m sure he didn’t do so for those of us that knew the truth of Bush long before the rest of the public woke up.
Hang on there Jon, all OK except References to Iran as noy being a democracy.
Their recent elections were transparent, well attended and decisive. The international observers, (Who were unwelcome in USA) were satisfied that the process was all above board.
This is important, because Iran and Venezuala are healthier democracies than the USA and Rabbit has been making this point all along.
As for WWII Rabbit has ignored Scorpy’s claims that it was a US won war.
He obviously doesn’t know that Britain Australia, New Zealand and remnants of armies from many European countries as well were fighting that War for years before US invovlement. The Germans had been stopped and were being bled by the time the USA joined the party. Details of history which have no relevance on Scorpy’s brief cartoon histories.
Scorpy got all his info about WWII from old recruiting posters sounds like.
As for the Japs, Aussies and New Zealanders as well as Pommies did the daily drudge fighting in the pacific. The Yank involvement was more in large waves at irregular intervals. The rest of the time the Yank soldiers were based in Australian ports where “some” made pigs of themselves, Our own troops, my Grandfather was one, did not see home shores for several years between tours in New Guinea and various pacific Islands. Just a bit of nuance for that cartoon history lesson Scorpy lives with.
Yoh Rabbit!
Anybody!
How do you send a PM on this
Software sorry Site?
Can anybody tell me?
“Members” just gets me to my own Prof.
Cannot find access1?1?
DON’T PANIC, LAGOMORPH! DON’T PANIC, JON B! Panic does absolutely no good and it makes you look foolish.
>> Saddam could never have killed those babies without the help of the US government, read about it. <<
Saddam was an accomplished killer in his own right, including one million dead in aggressive wars, and something more than one million dead among his own Iraqi civilians. Massgraves website has documented 400,000 dead Iraqi civilians killed by Saddam’s Ba’athists, including victims of the Anfal, the Marsh Arabs pogrom, the Shi’ite suppression, and the various victims of Saddam’s prisons and extrajudicial executions. Doing the math, 47 Iraqi civilians were executed daily, on average, for the ~8500 days of Saddam’s Presidency - and that is only from the tally of bodies documented from the mass graves. Forty-seven dead per day is far more than al-Qa’eda is able to accomplish currently in spite of your hysterical rants about the number of dead in the War against the Terrorists. Counting all Saddam
Eadora, I don’t think they have that service avaiable here.
Yes Scorpy you are right, of coursae you know more about us than we do ourselves, so it is good we have you to tell us we are panicking.
As for Scorpy he is still sailing onwards in his ship of delusions like the fool his mother raised.
Good onya Scorpy.
Here is a little something repeated for you again from another thread you ran away from with your tail where your hand usually is.
By the way. Lest anybody forget, Rabbit is an Aussie. His Grandfather fought the Japanese and Rabbit has not been brought up to love the Japanese.
In truth Rabbit does not love the Japanese. As tourists they are as arrogant and almost as insensitive as Americans. They seem to Rabbit to suffer some deformity of soul as a people, around some rather gross expressions of sexuality. That is the best Rabbit can describe something which he feels is well represented by the Japanese cult films,
Posted by GhostRabbit on October 13, 2005 at 9:41 PM from HERE .
More from Mike Rogers
Hi Eadora
This software challenged site does not provide that service, as David points out.
Most around here would probably not be adverse to providing their contact if asked anyway.
Scorp, no panic here, just amazement at some of your historical beliefs and the use of absence of facts. And usually those absence of facts are to make sure you put your dig into Democrats and not Republicans. And trust me, I don’t have any love for Democrats any more than Republicans. But I will most certainly point out your one sided view of things.
To you apparently Viet Nam was all about Democrats, completely ignoring the Nixon years. Nixon who promised in his campaign to get out of Nam but went on to continue to wage the war and even escalate it. It took two parties to tangle in Nam, they both deserve raspberries. But your words completely ignore the Republican involvement. Even in the Johnson years there was Republican support in Congress.
From Scorp…“There has been much comment on you leftists who murder your fellow humans and lie about it.
To further elaborate. I’m far from some Wilsonian view that America must intervene with our military outside of our lands. It is more hypocrisy.
When we had our civil war, the North for instance was highly upset that France was considering siding with the Confederates and rightly so. This was our own domestic dispute and the North didn’t want some Wilsonian France getting involved (although the chances of France actually coming to America and fighting alongside the South was remote at best, it was more of a trade deal). Neither side in our Civil War wanted other countries involved for the other side.
In that same vein, I’m not in favor of America intervening in other nations problems in all but the most extreme circumstances (WWII, Nazi Germany comes to mind). They must work things out themselves because our history of intervention has clearly shown that what we leave when we go home is not necessarily a better result.
Nations change. The USSR of Stalin was not the same as the USSR of Brezhnev or Gorbachev for instance. They changed without our intervention within their borders. The Cold War had very little to do with changes in the USSR except we out-spent them in the arms race and interventionist wars. It was essentially a spending race as both countries saddled themselves with huge debt. Gorby decided he had had enough of that. We didn’t free The Ukraine or Georgia as you claim, we didn’t set one foot into those countries (except the CIA).
Ask yourself whether if another country in say 1850 had decided that our tyranny over African-Americans should not go on any longer, that they needed to intervene and fix our nation, what would have been the result? My thinking is that we would have joined North and South in mostly a solidarity and repulsed that country simply because we wouldn’t have wanted another nation to solve our problem. We would have had some people join the invading army, but not many.
What of 1954 or so. What if the UN had many nations decide that our Jim Crow laws in the south were so anti-human rights that resolutions were passed and a coalition decided to invade and remove our president?
And in todays atmosphere of WMDs ownership, we should have been inspected and then invaded because we used nukes on the Japanese. Make that about 1947 or ‘48 after World War II was over.
Crazy hypotheticals certainly, but Americans would have fought back bitterly in response. We would never have wanted other nations to impose their will on us.
And what makes us the ultimate arbiters of who has nukes? I’m not opposed to Iran having nukes. If I was Iranian and looked around at my neighboring countries and saw that Israel, Pakistan and India all had nukes, I’d want some as well so that the threat of MAD (mutual assured destruction) would help protect my nation.
What gave us the right to bring the Shah of Iran to power through a CIA led coup? And what did we really get except blowback?
Why do we continue to suck the teat of Saudi Arabia’s oil industry while they support terror groups and teach Whabbism around the Middle East? Blowback has resulted.
Why did we support Saddam Hussein during the Iran/Iraq War? Because we didn’t like the people of Iran after disposing of their cruel Shah and then the hostage situation. More blowback.
When will we ever learn that intervention has future results that we never see coming like not seeing the forest because of the trees?
And from just the few examples I’ve given, why do I highly suspect that Afghanistan and Iraq will not be the democracies I’ve been promised by the latest chimp running my country?
I’ll answer that question. Because we are too stupid to learn from our past, and much of that stupidity has come in my lifetime. Because I’ve watched presidents from both parties come up fairly empty in their promises and results of interventive wars.
Jon
That is an eminently sensible and considered post, it never ceases to amaze how such straight forward honest common sense can be spurned by others. It will be, just watch.
>> I don
Scorpy would know about as much about Anarcho-Socialism as he knows about anything else, except his own navel.
He’s already been told by amny why his ideas are useless, they are based on a very onesided and limited view of history.
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What a quaint world Scorpy lives in, every time Rabbit reads his posts, Rabbit feels like he is in a time warp. Talking to someone who is actually living in the 1980’s still.
he has before referred to the need to bring “others” into the “Tentieth” century. Perhaps he is an evil timelord?
OK best not to give the troll any little toys. Correction.
He (Scorpy) has before referred to the need to bring
Yoh! Scorp.
I can
Yoh! Scorp.
I can
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I can
This is how well off the food is Scorpy.
The Coming Starvation of America
http://www.rense.com/general67/starve.htm
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Have a read up on how well your little war freedom and improved conditions for the poor victims of Saddams predations. Scorpy Check out your war.
Iraqi Resistance Report - GRIM for somebody.
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/66432
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Have a look at how the LIES are doing dow-under, SCORPY.
NO Muslim Terrorist Organisations in Indonesia
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16898139%5E29277,00.html
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See what is in the news in other countries, even your allies Scorpy.
Iraq descended into anarchy.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article319160.ece
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The real reason the hated court appointed Fascist President Bush wants to go after the popular democratically elected Chavez!
http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/oil/oilcharts.html
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Scorpy would not be panicking of course, not Scorpy, he knows it is 1984, and it always will be.
HI Eadora…..........................................Hoppy Happy Rabbit sees you. It is Saturday morning, the sun is shining downunder and the small Rabbit and I are at the factory selling kayaks. How is Eadora.?
Jeebus Creets!
My post last night it would not go on to the forums.
This morning there are three of them!
Sorry about the mess! Maybe on the the moderators can delete the extraneous posts.
Computer gremlins always amuse me. Bad ‘puter.
Once upon a time,
I was in the process of proof reading and wondering if I had more to say when the screen refreshed to the top of the article page. I scrolled down and there was my post, posted without being submitted.
Be stern with your ‘puter, Eadora. Tell it to play nice with the ITT ‘puters.
Glad is rabbit he has not got the only Gremlins on the Block.
His Wonky Computer has been up to a new kind of crashing the last few days, but Rabbit will ignore it as always, it soon goes away or settles into a pattern which is easy to recognise and avoid. Best to live and let live, even with Computer glitches is Rabbit’s office motto. Mrs rabbit sometimes interferes and everything gets fixed and tidead and it takes many months for things to feel “right” again.
It’s the Electrons we have to give attention to. There are so many of them, and they are really very effective things. You can communicate with them in every way imaginable, they are sooo puny that the most minute thing, even a thought can affect a good many of them at once. Recognising this, Rabbit always addresses all prayers and queries and “energy” into dealing with the workers, the ELECTRONS.
If we can learn to communicate with the electrons, directly, we can get them to even defy the Beastmen. They will do our will, instead of allowing themselves to be pressganged into spying on us, or lying to us, they will retaliate when they are ordered to shoot the missile or shut down the free radio.
Rabbit loves and honours the electrons and calls for othrs to at least remember them.
Electrons are to CYBER life, and Technology what the Bacteria and microorganisms are to Earth life. The greatest mass by far of all living things are bacteria and such microorganisms. They are the most essential to the survival of all life and not least the climate itself.
Then consider that all of them, including you and I, are being made possible by the crazy and weird, charging about antics of Electrons. Electrons mmove about like a wave, or a particle or just as a kind of energy, there is no single definition which suffices. Electrons can move through the dimension of time as easily as the three dimesions with which we are most familiar.
Electrons are measurably involved in what evidence there is of the unseen dimensions involved in what we usually think of as the paranormal.
Rabbit respects the elctrons. They are like multi-dimensional ANTS, who are prepared to be life’s servants, rather than servants to their own colony. I guess we really are the colony of the Electrons. Maybe the Electrons are GOD?
Interesting that your one-sided view can remember Rawanda, but can’t see headlines of this past year, Sudan. Bush completely ignored the bloodshed in that country. But oops, Bush is a Republican. Don’t want to critize your own party do you?
When will the political party kool-aid drinkers ever understand that it is BOTH parties. The reason is simple, follow-the-leader. In America we are told to pick a side and bow down to the leaders, when it really is that BOTH parties are corrupt.
Politically most Americans think of themselves as “independent” or “free-thinkers” when in fact most Americans are told who to vote for, and they lamely accept that. We are given two choices of little difference, candidates that blather on with the same old tired ideas. Actually many times incumbents run unopposed, giving us only one choice and the voters check the box for that only choice thinking “I did my duty, I’m (small “d”) democratic.” If that one candidate is from the party that a person adores, then they think “I won.”
The fact is no voter wins, the candidate wins. Then after the election the voters go back to their lives content in trusting that that “winner” will rule over them in complete agreement with every viewpoint they personally have. I have yet to see a politician that 100% believes in eveything I do. I have never had a representative actually represent me. When every American can say that their viewpoint counts, then we will have a democracy.
I’m not a millionaire, not even close. Yet of all the federally elected officials, a whopping three-quarters of them are millionaires. They absolutely don’t represent me based on income alone. So, in America where 90-some percent are not millionaires we decide that it’s important to have millionaires represent us. We send them off to Washington to make laws to rule over us. Millionaires making laws for the vast majority of America, now there’s insanity. And to top it off, we’re suppose to believe that absolutely no self interest exists in all these elected millionaires.
This is not a country of “We the People.” This is a nation of “We the ruled by the elite.” But of course most people take comfort in being ruled over. Most people are followers of “heros” whether politicians or actors or CEOs or athletes. Most people accept a reality that others are better than them. Most people won’t admit to that, but it’s true none-the-less.
A day will come when Americans demand a new system. Look at current polling. Bush’s approval rating 38%. Congress’ approval rating in the 30% range. The media approval rating, in the 40’s. Distrust of corporations is above 70% and has been for about two decades. Even religious institutions don’t get much trust anymore. We exist in a system we don’t even approve of, how sad. The fact is that Americans instinctively know our society is corrupt. They know this because we exist in it, we see it every day on TV, in our jobs, in politics local and national.
Nearly every top down organization in this country has some form of corruption. Americans instinctively know this as well. And if no corruption is publicly evident, we expect it some day.
The Scorps of America will defend their party when confronted with evidence of corruption by pointing their finger the other direction. How often I’ve heard in the last five years, “Look at the Clintons…” As if two wrongs make a right. The same with capitalism. Quick, point at communism. I say again, I don’t defend communism, it was top down corruption like capitalism. Pointing from one bad system to another bad system doesn’t defend a bad system.
But I forgot, the scorps think in black and white, up or down, left or right. Thinking any other way for them is apparently called “nuetral.”
I had to laugh at the Republicans when the “oil for food” program was found to be corrupt. They were so fast to jump all over the UN, but wait…It turns out American companies were involved. Once that was revealed the attack rhetoric was deafening in its new found silence.
There’s an expression that I’ve always liked. “When you point your finger, you’ve got three more pointing back at you.” For those kool-aid drinking scorpys that might not understand that expression, point at something and then look at your hand.
Go on and continue to defend the Tom Delays, the Karl Roves, the Bill Frists. Most Americans see it for what it is, corruption. Pointing your finger at Democrats (or the media), blaming them for those guys troubles is so predictable. Why don’t you try a new tactic? Throw the bums out. Purge your party of corruption, novel idea, eh?
Not in America. Admitting to mistakes (and then actually paying for those mistakes) is not to be done. Once in power (and power does corrupt) no apologies. So, since cleaning up your own house is not an option, you’ll eventually lose that power. The Democrats will assume power some day and of course procede to abuse it just like you guys.
American politics is so predictable these days. Political party coin flipping. The losers of course are not either party, it’s “We the People.”
Eadora, .. and I should have also said how happy I am that your post(s) made it through the wilderness. Three times is OK too. Much there worth repeating. hehe
Jon B, Excellent posts. Politics, in my country as well, has become a predictable exercise in ” tossing the rascals out “. Out with the old, in with the new. But the new is the same as the old : corrupt and selfish.
>> Interesting that your one-sided view can remember Rawanda, but can
Scorpy everyone knows you are a hysterical ball of bombastic delusions. You are a hypocritical fascist and you have never done more than repeat isolated one-sided versions of history. You have never offered anything but your word to back up anything you say and we already know that you have nothing except a standard set of Ditto ideas. The majority of people on this site are vastly better educated than you, we are actually aware of all your historical examples but we can also place them in relation to the rest of history. For us the world does not start and stop everytime you turn on your television.
Rabbit has to admit that most of the time he just skims your rubbish because it is repeats, unsourced and hysterical. You’ve already made all two of your points and used an imagined variety of almost every historical event from the seige of Troy to the illegal and unjust attack of Iraq in 2003. You’ve made your attitudes clear and we are universally disgusted by you. If you wish to remain for us to taunt and abuse in creative ways as the urge takes us, by all means do so.
As for being considered a part of any discussions, Rabbit for one does not see you as being of any relevance. You have steadfastly refused to debate honourably, look at anything anyone writes or post any sort of reference to back up anything you go on about.
The only time you ever appear to answer anything someone else has said, is when you put words in others’ mouths. You are not even original. Rabbit thinks you may even be a Shill. Otherwise you are merely the most obnoxious Troll it has been Rabbit’s experience to discover.
To be frank we have far more creative dittoheads available for amusement and much more intelligent and reasonable conservatives with whom to actually debate. You are nought but an extreme example of a hysterical screeching Fascist as it sinks into the swamp of it’s own creation.
Goodbye Scorpy!
Actually we are waiting for you to die so we can have an uncorruptible system.
Once people like you are extinct, and you are well on the way there….........we might have a chance of peace and honourable politics.
You make the evil possible.
Sick Scorpy.
By the way Scorpy the fool, “OLD” Europe, (What constitutes New Europe?) is not going the way of socialism.. You sure do have some wacky ideas, the deeper the ditto, the stupider it gets.
EU - Europe, Old New and middle aged, is actually an example of the ultimate capitalist state. Much the same as the USA eventually. They are just starting with the bureacracy at high revs. It is inevitably going to be another great Fascist State like the USA has become. Inevitably though it is an even bigger state and will out-compete the USA economically speaking. It is happening now and the details have been liberally posted for anybody who can, to read.
The competition is only happening because the USA is determined to hog the worlds energy.
Chances are Scorpy if your mob keep control of the government, you and Rabbit will be looking at each other from either end of a fire-stick. You want to hope that Rabbit is on the pointy end, because Rabbit doesn’t often miss.
Yoh Scorp!
I wish I had more time to expound but here are a couple of LINKS
Links that will correct & clarify some misinformation, that you fed our readers,
regarding Mr. Borlaug.
Posted by scorp on October 14, 2005 at 9:20 PM
Yak Yak ..
One small caveat regarding freemarket inspired liberation!
FreeMarket Corporations like to quote Dr. Borlaug when they are trying to sell and monopolize the latest HOT WIRED GM (geneticly modified) seeds.
Right now the LIBERATED people of Iraq must buy all their seeds from these Corporations. Or stand to be legally prosecuted.
That is one of the conditions of their LIBERATION.
Eadora -
I don’t wish to criticize your understanding of plain English, because I might sound like the Cretinous Lagomorph. But you really should pay attention to what you read, and to what you write.
Wow Scorpy!
Quote the Scorp
Eadora has shown you for the GOATHEAD you are Scorpy, yet again.
As Eadora points out the USA is very much into subsidies, it is the single thing anybody in the rest of the world thinks when thinking of US agricultural policies. You subsidise, nobody else may.
No matter how many of our lines you steal you wizened minded creep, you are still talking shit, lying through your rotten teeth and spruiking for Fascism.
Here is a good article I think.
Don’t you read it Scorpy, it is absolutely not for your eyes. It is secret Lefty crap so don’t go peeking. Why would you want to see it anyway, you never read any sourcve we usually post, so DON’T read this one.
http://www.rense.com/general68/tom.htm
Noteworthy dates in 20th-Century American history:
1917 - When World War I began.
1918 - When the U.S. won World War I.
1941 - When World War II began.
1945 - When the U.S. won World War II.
Eadora
Eadora is going to crush you twerp, but if she is too busy Rabbit will gladly do so on her behalf.
Even new comers to the site are fascinated by such a twat as what you are. You are such a stubborn little moron you are liable to become a tourist attraction Scorpy.
Much as Rabbit would relish the chance of replying to it, this Moron is Eadora’s now, DO give it an extra wack for Rabbit though, Eadora.
Welfare reform ?
You mean the policy of removing the federal money
for the people who need assistance in order for them to make even less money in the “Private “sector??
read “Nickled and Dimed” by Barbera Ehrenreich
Just for the great economic sage Scorpy is re-posted this Rabbit just posted in another thread.
Has we seen the news about Gates?
Bill Gates has just dumped his US reserves…...................................and changed to EUROs.
Where is Scorpy? ..............OUCH….......
Venezuala dropped their 5 Billion or whatever they had and went Euro the other day, but that is a drop in the bucket to Gates
SELF IRONY AT ITS BEST.
scorpy says the following with a straight face.
“You ...........have no thought in your head except to criticize those who bring democracy and economic well-being to the world. So stick your thumb in your ear and your finger up your butt, and complain all you want to; you don
ZINGER - good one Rabbit. He’s got you there Scorp.
Scorp - I Quote you.
Hi Eadora….........do the [url=“http://tinyurl.com/6l9ok”] for rabbit please, when you get the time….........
here is the ref for gates, but it should be up there already.
just for eadora Rabbit will post it as a Hyperlink….................<a href=“http://tinyurl.com/7kyu7”>hee hee[/url]...........................
Dam it all got ruined.
The url is
http://tinyurl.com/7kyu7
as can be seen mid in the failed post.
SCORPY
How can we stop this ??
the voodoo is building…....
bills on the table in congress yesterday are taking away the nessesary assistance
for low income families/individuals to go to school,feed their family,survive on less than a living wage and giving tax breaks to corporate interests (halliburton?!?!?) in order for those “dollars to “Trickle Down?!?!” to whom???
Looking at the oil spills in the gulf I ask
who really cares.
The answer is - Prussian Blue cares
as long as you are White
Welcome to America
another great book
Guns, Germs, And Steel
by Jared Diamond
Politics are so far under the true facts.
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Get away from those Buttons, naughty rabbit
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bugger
Naughty Rabbit playing here, trys to teach electrons new tricks, in a quiet corner. If anybody is concerned you have but to tell the Rabbit and he will stop in a blink.
Maybe
Did it work?
Yes…........happy Rabbit has a new trick…..............^^....................
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