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Reader Comments (37)Page 1 of 1 pagesI’m so hip to the cause, I joined “LEAP” and posted its link in my blog post But “They’ll bust you for smoking a joint!”
Posted by neilemac on Nov 15, 2005 at 7:39 AM While i am in favor of updating the laws against soft drugs (repealing them, really), i am surprised that more people are not against it, especially here.
Isn’t the liberal ideal a state that protects its citizens, even against themselves? Isn’t that why we “need” social security (we as individuals are not responsible enough to save on our own), for instance?
Further, when people start buying via legitimate outlets such substances as pot, who will lead the vanguard as it becomes clear (duh) that smoking it causes cancer?
So i wonder why liberals in particular are not jumping on the bandwagon of protecting us from ourselves. Many precedents exist, from seatbelt/helmet laws (very analgeous, if you ask me) to SS to anti-prostitution laws, etc. Not to mention the broad support of anti-smoking laws in general. . .
But then again, maybe many (most?) posters here have “a dog in the fight”?
Posted by wolf on Nov 15, 2005 at 11:33 AM Cancer from pot is another scare tactic from an unifomed poster. As research will attest, cannabis does not have to be smoked. Here’s a little tidbit to get your education started.
Sativex, a pulverized, liquefied, and doctor-prescribed form of marijuana, has the potential to transform the drug-war landscape.
Besides,” fear reverses all intelligent processes!” (Leland Powers)
[According to Gore Vidal, there isn’t a difference between the Republicans (Conservatives) and Democrats (Liberals); they’re two wings of the same party.] Now relax and have a toke, it’s great for what ails you. namasté
Posted by neilemac on Nov 15, 2005 at 12:05 PM While it is true that pot does not NEED to be smoked to be used, i rather doubt this is relevant. From what i can tell, the vast majority of people who actually use pot do so by smoking it, with a relatively small minority ingesting it in food.
While i am against “scare tactics” i prefer accuracy to wishful thinking. Clearly pot not only contributes to cancer, but to other diseases as well (emphysema comes to mind).
Discussions that start as neilemac’s post does remind me of the cigerette companies of the old days.
BTW - i do not wear a uniform! :)
Posted by wolf on Nov 15, 2005 at 1:22 PM Wolf, you must have missed the recent Univ. of Colo. study on marijuana and cancer. It turns out that the THC actually counteracts any cancer causing agents in the smoke.
As a “liberal” you’ve got us all wrong. We don’t much like heavyhanded governments as to liberties as much as the next person, particularily drug laws which seem so fascist in practice. The drug war has been predominantly conservative driven.
We care about society as a whole. When we incarcerate drug users to the extent that America has the largest prison system on earth, something is not quite right for our society. The cost of running such a system is a burden to our economy as well as the questionable practice of rooming drug users with hard criminals is probably only going to produce higher hard crime later.
As to seat belts/helmet laws it’s simply if a road accident occurs we don’t want the stupidity of the person who refuses to protect themselves to then come back and sue for the greater injuries they’ve incurred. And it is stupidity as all the stats show that protection saves lives and reduces injuries. And all that puts more stress and wasted dollars into the economy and society.
And your observations of social security is off. When our capitalist society nearly came to collapse in the great depression something was needed for all those older folk no longer wanted by capitalism. Social security is there in case our society once again plunges into the abyss. And looking at how the Bushies have run the debt into the stratosphere, I wouldn’t be suprised if once again we hit another depression wall in the near future.
Also I may remind you that retirement plans were non-existent for anyone but the rich prior to WWII, but wait a second, looks like that is becoming the truth again. Now it’s all about 401Ks based on the stock market. We saw how retired workers re-rentered the job market when the stock market turned sour in 2002 because those 401Ks were becoming losers, what if we have another 1929 crash/depression? Social security will be life savers for those that did indeed save for retirement through 401K plans that get slammed by the stock market. 401Ks are nothing more than a gamble on the market, not a savings plan, but that’s what we’ve been told/forced to do in the last two decades.
All you have to do is look at Enron and other companies to see how fast a “retirement plan” such as 401K can vanish in the wink of an eye. Or check out the retirement plans at any major airline, oops they aren’t there anymore. Those are now in the governments hand as a “bailout” but now are at reduced benefits. Corporate promises for workers futures are increasingly turning out to be outright lies.
Do I think social security is great? No, but I’ll trust the baby boomer voters as they head into the AARP age to vote heavily to make sure SS is still there in some form. Much more than I can trust corporate retirement plans. SS is not going to make any retiree rich, but it will at least make sure people can still eat. Oh, that’s so “liberal” of me, caring about individuals that are too old to work after getting shafted by a corporate retirement plan.
Posted by Jon B on Nov 15, 2005 at 1:31 PM To get back on topic, this is about legalizing maijuana among other issues dealing with the natural healing {minimizes stress, pain, etc.} herb, n’est pas?
I recently responded to comments in my own blog {see link above in comments on this page} to ‘Shirley’ whom erroniousless mistated some facts she posted there. And being a clever rascal, I realized my comments to her may also shine a light on the misinforming uniformed ‘wolf’ {comment poster above}, whom keeps trying to poke holes in ‘pro’ arguments regarding the legalization and medical use of marijuana. {btw, Shirley continues to smoke tobacco, eugh!} This is what I said: {but I’ll insert the name, ‘Wolf’, parenthesize direct comments to Shirley’s cigarette smoking, so let’s see how it goes.}
Wolf {Shirley} dear, you are so entitled to your opinion, no matter how flawed. Cigarettes are still legal, booze too; both of which I’m happy to say are no longer part of my life. {and Shirley, you still polute your lungs with that tar?} Had those vices given me anywhere near the comfort and awareness that I receive from an occassional toke, I’m quite certain I’d still be buying tax inflated cancer sticks and imbibing lies from a bottle.
However, at fifty-two years of age I had an epiphany; I would no longer support a corporate lying death machine whom pumps its products full of tumour causinig chemicals ensuring faster burning while using signed declarations of confidentiality to gurantee concealment of opprobrious practices. {this is where we cheer for that courageous whistleblower that exposed the cororate slime in the tobacco industry, Lowell Bergman.}
As for booze, I wasn’t into it more than beer everyday; a mild alcoholic treat that merely blurred my mind, vision and balance while affording me to lie, cheat and blather affection on any and sundry whom would put up with me when I imbibed too much and had lost control over my drunken behaviour. I thought I was cool. Not! But it didn’t lead to hard drink, its only similarity I found with pot.
However, all that has passed. I live much more in the now, am content with whom I am as a person and have no need to smoke cigarettes or imbibe booze or endure hangovers. But I do enjoy the comfort of a toke which I must admit, is not addictive, nor does it drag me down to that anxious level which caused me to consume many grams of tobacco that accompanied the cold beer which helped me to relax enough to make a fool of myself daily.
No Wolf {Shirley}, you are not in your right assumptions, but like I said earlier, you do have the right to your opinion. Now if only the government would see their way fit to recognize mine.
There, now {Shirley} that wasn’t too ‘blunt’ for you Wolf, n’est pas? Didn’t hurt, did it? Aaah. There, there, relaaaaax. ;-})
namasté
Posted by neilemac on Nov 15, 2005 at 2:43 PM “Wolf, you must have missed the recent Univ. of Colo. study on marijuana and cancer. It turns out that the THC actually counteracts any cancer causing agents in the smoke.”
Yes i missed it. I also doubt that **anything** could counteract smoking cancerous effects, regardless of the substance being smoked. I suppose if true, then mixing tobacco and pot would make a “safe” conbination? (Very unlikely!)
Furthermore, smoking pot surely causes emphysema . Clearly smoking ANY substance has its share of risks. . . It does not give me a good feeling knowing that THC is fat soluble and concentrates in the genitals. Furthermore it stays there for protracted periods of time. Why then not protect people from making stupid decisions on what to ingest?
But if you wish to believe it is safe, feel free. I prefer to know the risks and accept or decline based on the same.
I do not understand why Jon is in (???) favor of the state protecting us against ourselves when we drive (seat belt laws) but being against it when we smoke. But then again, consistency is not always desirable.
On the unrelated subject of 401k’s and the stock market. From what i can tell, “investing” in stocks is safe. Betting on particular stocks, particularly ones that you work for, is foolish. Again, society is attemptinng to protect us from our own stupidity.
Summary -
1) the government heavyhandedly taking money for retirement with no ability to opt out? OK
2) The government heavyhandedly forcing citizens to belt up or wear a helmet? OK
3) The government protecting the health of its citizens by outlawing pot smoking? Not OK? Um, OK.
Posted by wolf on Nov 15, 2005 at 2:58 PM neilemac - you still polute your lungs with that tar? Ugh. (You do know that pot has tar right? At roughly 10 times the concentration of tobacco.)
Listen up. I am only going to say this one more time (you get the last word). It is not difficult and should not be controversial. Pot is harmful when smoked (duh). It has particulates, tar and a whole host of damaging chemicals. We should be very clear about this, whether we choose to indulge or not, whether we believe it should be legal or not.
To do otherwise is to recreate the debacle of the cigerette companies of days gone by (in particular the shills that claimed - despite the overwhelming evidence - that tobacco does not cause cancer). Let’s not do that! Let’s go in eyes wide open.
I like blunt. And the topic is more broad the medical use of marijuana. I am more concerned with the recreational use, which i think accounts for the vast majority of usage.
Posted by wolf on Nov 15, 2005 at 3:11 PM Let’s take a poll, for the fun of it!
Who thinks::
1) Pot is harmful to one’s health? Say on a scale of 1 to 10 (7 being tobacco’s for reference on this arbitrary scale)
2) it is neutral to ones health?
3) It is good for ones health?
I pick option 1, with a value of 5 (not as harmful as tobacco, but still significantly harmful).
Posted by wolf on Nov 15, 2005 at 3:36 PM Here is a link to a guy that thinks smoking actually helps protect you from lung cancer :
I quit smoking cigarettes years ago.
I smoke marijuana and eat it occasionally as well. Harmful? Sure but what isn’t. I use butter and eat bacon and eggs nearly every day and I think that butter,bacon and eggs are actually good for you compared to coffee and doughnuts.
It’s all relative, man.
Posted by David in Canada on Nov 15, 2005 at 5:53 PM Marijuana - Cannabis - the Reefer? which caused an industrial revolution of socialism? Yes, that paradoxical little flower.. That stinking weed?
As Bacon’n’Eggs David in Canada states, it is all relative. And let me suggest people who think Marijuana is a harmful substance compare it to Methamphetamines. Meth is a chemical mixture put together by a person with a High School ‘C’ in Chemistry stirring these volatile chemicals in the wash tub before junior gets his yearly bath. An arrested Meth cook condemns the entire apartment complex and sends the kids to nowhere land. Prison dental bills are huge, due to the amount of reconstructive surgery required to fix those pearlies… or pearly. The local city or county where these tragedies hit cause a large financial drain on the local economy.
Now, we can go back to Little School - is a carton of Marlboro Reds or a magic-marker blunt of Government-Grade Marijuana or a half-rack of Milwaukee’s Best better, worse, or cancer causing?
It only makes sense both culturally and economically to legalize marijuana. The positive benefits: 1) We can build schools instead of prisons by keeping non-violent marijuana offenders in front of the bars. 2) Government Revenue - tax it like alcohol & cigarettes. 3) No More Gateway - being open and honest will mean people don’t have to be involved with the sketchier drug scene - especially teens and young adults. 4) Gang Revenue will dramatically decrease with their cash cow being removed of its current trade regulations, and thus, the decline of violence and guns. Hopefully they’ll move into a “Coffee Shop.” 5) Decreased deaths due to Drunk Driving. 6) Less Binge Drinking..
Anyways, I am not advocating marijuana use; I am simply stating the straightforward facts. Holland has legal marijuana. Some people there use and some don’t. Just like Christians or Trout Fishing, in America.
The main opponents to legalizing marijuana are afraid the entire population will freak out and go up in a puff of smoke - of course, I have this bit of advice: go to the local Good Will and find a nice fake leather jacket. Next go to the local Chevron station and buy a pack of Marlboro Red cigarettes (the book of matches comes free). Then find the local dump bar – the seedy one – the dirty one. Wait until midnight on a Tuesday or Monday evening. Make sure to light the cigarette before entering and smoke upon entering - this will give you a good mask. Keep the eyes low, order a PBR (Pabst Blue Ribbon. If not available, do not panic, move into the erudite Coors or Bud). Observe until one. By all means leave an hour before two.
The country will not turn into what you see.
Posted by mattdon on Nov 15, 2005 at 8:06 PM WOLF, if you have data supporting your claim that “smoking pot leads to emphysema (or cancer)..” please provide a cite from the 21st century. As a 29 year chronic user of cannabis, I am always interested in being educated. Fairly exhaustive reading on my part over the past ten years has me confident that no such link has been established between the ingestion of cannabis and either cancer or emphysema.
That being said, my answer to the posed question, “Is pot harmful to your health?” is - I guess so, but compared to what?
I live in a major metropolitan area. Walking outside my front door is hazardous to my health if we set the desired standard at my respiratory system being free from airborne carcinogens. Fortunately, the level of air pollution in the Tampa Bay FL area is higher than Norman OK (for example) but it’s not sufficiently horrid that I shackle myself indoors. Likewise, cannabis smoke clearly concerns carcinogens, but my extensive education in the effects of various popular drugs leads me to conclude that there’s no driving motivation to stop smoking cannabis.
In respect to the relatively tiny health challenges posed by inhaling burning cannabis smoke, I’ve recently started using a vaporizer to deliver my own cannabis and have thus eliminated 99% of whatever modest health threat posed by smoke from burning pot.
Posted by SteveHeath on Nov 15, 2005 at 8:42 PM Last post should have read, “....cannabis smoke clearly CONTAINS carcinogens..”, rather than “Concerns”.
While I may not agree with the cited health risk concerns expressed by Prohibitionists, I acknowledge that marijuana and other drugs have the potential to be abused and therefore could also stimulate an increase in adverse behavior and health for the individual and the community.
If you agree with my stated premise, then I ask simply which is preferable - a distribution system that is significantly controlled and regulated or a distribution system that is completely uncontrolled and utterly unregulated?
Therein lies the message of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. One can promote a message of abstinence from drugs. One can aggressively deliver that message to family, friends and the community. But that doesn’t mean supporting a policy which assures all production and distribution of the listed drugs is completely uncontrolled and unregulated.
Posted by SteveHeath on Nov 15, 2005 at 8:48 PM Adversity to cannabis comes from pharmaceudical corporate boardrooms, and spun to legislators whom are bought and sold like bubble gum trading cards. Wake up Wolf, Shirley, all. After all, where do you think the notion of the war in Iraq came from?
Earlier I wrote a post in response to David’s generous link - smoking is good? - but it got lost upon submission. Now how did that happen, where did it go, she how easy it is to be fooled.
Politicians will back anything, of course; any position, any side, for a price! Or so it seems. Food for thought. It took us years to get them out of our bedrooms giving way to same sex tolerance, even legality. Wish they’d do the same with pot. Now that’s a joint I would blow without being called queer. just criminal. The whole debate sucks and is redundant. Will the conditioned “you can’t do that” gang please find something else on which to waste your rhetoric. Why not read someone like Gore Vidal’s “The United States of Amnesia” and begin to have a glimpse at the plain truth.
namasté
Posted by neilemac on Nov 15, 2005 at 9:02 PM NEILEMAC, you have a good sense for the written word. I could use more people like you in our direct activism getting drug policy reform messages into the print media. Please consider dropping me a line. http://www.mapinc.org/resource is the way to get to my email.
Peace
Steve
Posted by SteveHeath on Nov 15, 2005 at 9:06 PM Neil, sorry you lost your post. I look forward to a possible repost? A good habit to get into is to copy your post just before submitting. I have lost a few posts too. Gremlins eat them up.
Posted by David in Canada on Nov 15, 2005 at 9:41 PM Yes I did copy it once, then I ended up copying an url from another site and by the time I got back and posted it I forgot to copy again, submitted the post just as I was being notified of an incoming post [should I turn that option off, no, no I rather like being notified that someone momentairily posted to something I wrote, an instigator I am, and love provoking response.] and as you say, the gremlins ate it. But your link was brilliant, have yet to finish reading the article there, it’s lengthy but very compelling. Will get back to it as soon as I post this comment.
Now then, on to Steve, the check is in your mail. Kidding, but I did follow through on the link you posted, found a link with your name, and as you must now by now I left a lengthy delightful ((--)) moon driven note in your mail box.
Bonne nuit tout le monde, namasté
--Wow, not only trilingual, but a wicked body to boot, anyone want a byte--weeeeeeeeeeeeeee full moons are fun, of course herb’s been hangin’ all evenin’.
Peace too, eh! .
Posted by neilemac on Nov 15, 2005 at 10:00 PM A Monkey is sitting in a tree smoking a joint when a Lizard walks past and looks up and says to the Monkey, “Hey! what are you doing?” The Monkey says, “Smoking a joint, come up and have some.” So the Lizard climbs up and sits next to the Monkey and they have a few tokes together. After a while the Lizard says his mouth is ‘dry’ and that he’s going to get a drink from the river. The Lizard climbs down the tree, ditty bops on thru the jungle to the river and leans over the river to get his drink. Well, the Lizard is so stoned that he leans too far over and falls into the river. A Crocodile sees this and swims over to the Lizard and helps him to the side, then asks the Lizard, “What’s the matter with you?” The Lizard explains to the Crocodile that he was sitting in a tree and smoking a joint with the Monkey and got too stoned and then fell into the river while taking a drink. The Crocodile says he’s gotta check this Hippie Monkey out and walks off into the jungle where he finds the tree where the Monkey is still sitting and toking on the joint. He looks up and says “Hey You!” The Monkey looks down and says, “Dude… how much water did you drink?!!”
Posted by David in Canada on Nov 16, 2005 at 1:15 PM Dude.... I know that monkey.
You’ve seen this joke David, but I thought it might lighten wolfie’s bummer mood.
[url="http://tinyurl.com/2u3ty"]Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching
on one candy bar after another.
After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said,
“Son, you know eating all that candy isn’t good for you.
It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat.”
Little Tony replied, “My grandfather lived to be 107 years old.”
The man asked, “Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time?”
Little Tony answered, “No, he minded his own fucking business.” [/url]
Posted by luminous beauty on Nov 16, 2005 at 6:45 PM
Clumsy me.[url="http://tinyurl.com/2u3ty" ] Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching
on one candy bar after another.
After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said,
“Son, you know eating all that candy isn’t good for you.
It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat.”
Little Tony replied, “My grandfather lived to be 107 years old.”
The man asked, “Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time?”
Little Tony answered, “No, he minded his own fucking business.” [/url]
Posted by luminous beauty on Nov 16, 2005 at 6:50 PM Yes, it was completely appropo for Wolf, maybe he has a kid on crack and believes it all started with pot. Any user of herb knows that it isn’t addictive nor nearly as harmful as the self-righteous negative attitudes about the subject. But yes, you were clumsy. A little lesson in post ettiquette would do wonders, like a blunt for increased neurons in the brain ;->
My friend Steve sent me that joke last week. Mais sans gaffes. Now there’s a bit of what we used to call Franglais in Montréal.However, I think we should get back on subject and encourage others to comment on the author’s piece, not copy and paste silly comics off the web. Oh, oh; is that my mental illness kicking in? That isn’t funny, it’s real. Time for a talk to Herb to settle my nerves. namasté
Posted by neilemac on Nov 16, 2005 at 7:06 PM It’s all relative man… The admonition is to try to remain on-topic. Tangents are fun and an important part of these discussions.
Posted by David in Canada on Nov 16, 2005 at 7:31 PM Anyone reading this blog at this moment, it’s now 9:50PM Atlantic time. 10:50PM Eastern, etc. If you have cable, find CBC TV and turne into this documentry exposing truth of Guantanimo Bay. It’s horrendous cruelty, by Donald Rumsfelds orders. We are allowed to witness the truth here in Canada; if you have cable like I asked, tune in immediately. Will post this everywhere I can find a space. Do it now!!! CBC Television Schedule Go to CBC tv now.
neilemacIn response to David in Canada above:
It worked see, moronic response. Was testing the water for tolerance and you bit, with humour; well done David, you may leave, balloon away using the air in your head. NO! I lied, The
line popped in my head and I had to say it, er write it; you see Herb couldn’t make it so he sent his sister Sish to compensate. Sish has a lovely scent with a deep tan, rather far middle eastern with a wonderful demeanor whom soothes and calms what ails. What a doll! Said she’d make sure I had enough time tomorrow to make sense, that tonight I would need nothing more than her. Hey, check out the doc on Guantanimo Bay on CBC TV right this minute. Horrendous, videos, pictures. tell everyone you know.I’ve pasted the following on every site I came near until I received you mail with the comments above. Seriously, CBC TV, quick click into the channel.
Posted by neilemac on Nov 16, 2005 at 7:51 PM This post is just for wolf
Cannabis and tobacco smoke are not equally carcinogenic
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21Another Fact: Emphysema Suffers Benefit
http://www.digitalhemp.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/15/ECH15_08.HTM
Posted by PCDEC on Nov 19, 2005 at 4:14 PM I always enjoy a good drug discussion.. makes me smile, maybe laugh and always spark up a doob.
Harmful? Like David from Canada stated earlier,what isnt?
I look at it this way, there are so many other things i could be doing which would be more costly and do just as much if not more to me than the actual drug itself.
I have trouble sleeping...simple, just smoke pot
sleeping pills are addictive
i am stressed out after a hard day at work...simple, just smoke pot
booze gives you liver damage and makes you violent, well me anyways
valium...muscle relaxants...perscriptions of any kind..all addictive
I do wish they would just legalize it. I think there would be less shootings,or crime of any kind for that matter, if they did. The problem is, the government just hasnt found a way to market it yet or how they would control growing permits and such....
It will happen one day, its just progression, we used to punish bootleggers and stillers, now you can buy alcohol in any supermarket or gas station in the U.S. Soon , my friends , you will see packages of doobies the same as you see tabacoo packaged..
It just lets me think that there IS hope for the future. God bless America.
Posted by Chemical Enhanced on Nov 19, 2005 at 4:23 PM Cooking little boats as fast as his little paws can take the heat, and in between Rabbit is reading down the thread and chewing little bits and pieces, before serious Rabbit words.
In the mean time, Rabbit declares that Pot is virtually harmless as far as even excessive indulgence, but there are caveats, which Rabbit shall address. The whole issue of what is harmful, and in what ways, is big but simple in the sense that in moderation there is very little that the human organism and psyche cannot endure.
As for Wolf’s guess at “how” harmful is pot especially compared to Tobacco, he is wrong, on an logarithmic scale.
The scale needs to be logarithmic and Tobacco is up there on a factor of ten, while pot may be harmful in Massive excess this is still on a factor of 1 0r 2. Alchol is at a factor nine, and other drugs begginning with Barbiturates and opiates are at 8 and 7 respectively. Aspirin is at a scale of 4 and most other over the counter drugs between 2 and 6. Amphetamines is probably a 6 up to an 8, there are many forms and Rabbit would include the precursors to amphetamines, like Pseudoephedrine in half of OTC medications in that group.
Sorry Wolf, you are certainly no troll, and you are relatively reasonable and considered, youy are by no means even a shadow on Wolf S Britain, as rabbit once had the unmitigated gall to have called you, you are yet not even remotely close in your anaylisis of the relative dangers of pot.
Said Rabbiot, as he packed a cone and enjoyed the lovely afternoon. people keep coming into rabbit’s factory and giving him money for his little boats, which is nice. For the Rabbit and for the new owners of Rabbit’s little boats.
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 20, 2005 at 11:13 PM It is incredibly exciting to see cops and judges standing up for common sense and decency at last, and Rabbit hopes that the inevitable reaction in Oz will follow quickly on the heels of such enlightenment. Of course this state of WA, (Wait Awhile or Western Australia) will be a decade behind the rest of OZ, but it all helps.
Come on Uncle Sam, get your act together so we can do the same.
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 20, 2005 at 11:35 PM By the way Wolf. Unlike Conservatives, Liberals are not all the same. Frankly everytime you try to anticipate Liberals, you are so far wide of the mark as to be lampooning something...................................................
Liberals as such are more about personal choice anyway, the nanny state, or regulated state, is more your mob’s vision, as it happens, and Libs don’t own much uniformity of opinion as it happens. So how about you stop looking for people who are not there and address your points to those offerred by others. The fact that many here may have a “dog in the fight” as you so eloquently put it, is hardly an exclusion, at least they know what they are talking about, as do the members of LEAP. We know what we are talking about, LEAP knows what it’s talking about and you do not, so while you are welcome to share your opinions, you may have to accept that you are not qualified to actually make statements in refutation without some other backing than your own word. Rabbit is certainly familiar with the propaganda which you are repeating, and can assure you that there is nothing to be found as far as supporting “theories” that Pot is harmful ,and in fact MANY studies which show its harmlesnes at least, but more often its benefical effects. Of course Rabbit will post many sources for such claims for any who wish to challenge them. Since Rabbit has more than a passing aquaintance with this subject, he feels it only fair to mention that he “knows” from experience as well...... what is and what isn’t .
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 20, 2005 at 11:47 PM Steve
Rabbit reckons the best smoke is obtained by Decarboxilation of the dried weed. Which is like boiling the stuff hard in water (bubbling water), for an hour and then cooling before filtering through a pillow case orsomething and ringing out the excess, throw away the water and repeat with fresh boiling water. After second round all the precursor to THC is converted as well, increases the potency two to six times, and removes 60% of the weight, which includes all the water soluble tars etc. This comprises 95% of the bad stuff, carcinogens and tar forming gak. Once dried it is black and crispy, but especially if used for making Hash, via sieving, and oil extraction at the end, it is the sweetest, most awesome natural smoke, and is not only much healthier, one hardly coughs, it leaves the bowl much cleaner for longer.
Rabbit tips.
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 21, 2005 at 12:28 AM As for Pot being harmful, let us see. Rabbit knows there is both anecdotal evidence as well as scientific whih clearly shows that in many areas people who regularly smoke the wonder weed are more healthy, mentally physically and it helps combat other serious health issues like, aids, anorexia, chemotherapy, (It is a disease, not a therapy) and Asthma, just to name a few.
It helps stave off dementia and it would seem that we pot smokers are a bit better endowed in the Brains area if debating on this site is anything to go by. There may even be evidence that Pot increases brain cell growth, which would explain certain observations, both personal and scientific.
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 21, 2005 at 12:38 AM Eating Cannabis is cool but not if you want to remain useful to yourself for a day. Good way to veg out on a nice summer day’s barbecue, with a few hash cookies and a beer or two to wash it down, then a few hammocks and the stereo and a kayak handy in case some womble gets it into his head to communicate with the fish, or visit the island out in the middle.
No don’t do it Rabbit, its too far.
No its not we went there this morning and it was really close.
But its the afternoon now Rabbit it is further.
No it just feels that way because you’re stoned.
What about you, you ate twice as many cookies and smoked those cones since. You must be really wacked, don’t do it Rabbit, you’ll drown.
Nah. Rabbit can swim, and anyway it isn’t far, I can swim that far.
Leave him alone Rob, if Rabbit wants to do it he’ll do it, and anyway your not his mother. He can swim.
Rabbit paddled over to the Island anyway. Rabbit got lost on the little Island and lay down in the sun and watched the crabs running around under the mangroves. Rabbit remembers Mangroves + Kimberley = Crocs.Quickly Rabbit decides to paddle back to camp, forgot crocs, silly Rabbit ........big panic Paranoia........Paddle paddle back to camp and sit down, safe. Have a smoke Rabbit, did you find the water?
Rabbit just sits there and looking at the strange water. Was he really over on the island a few minutes ago? Time seems to go in jumps and stalls.
Rabbit worries for people who can’t occassionally do some crazy shit like that, they must get so freaky and hung up. Bet JC has never gotten wasted for a day. Of course it is not good doing it all the time, and one need look no further than Dubya to see a prime example of what being wasted half your life can produce.
Posted by Rabbit on Nov 21, 2005 at 12:59 AM Oh well, this thread is a bit boring.
Hello......hello.....hello
Yes there is an echo, the room is empty.
Hop hop, Rabbit is gone......................................^^....................
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