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Reader Comments (214)Since torture’s all the rage in the US these days, i’ll flog LumiBeaut:
A limerick packs laughs anatomical
Into space that’s quite economical.
But the good ones I’ve seen
Are so seldom clean,
And the clean ones so seldom comical.
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:15 AM my god, i am the least understood person I have ever observed on this board.
Wiley picked on me out of the blue, like she/he does to many posters. She is shrill, too intense, sophmoric. I simply defended my ethereal self from her opacity and density
she totally misunderstood my post and insulted my intelligence.
you have all conjured up all sorts of inaccurate images of me that are far more revealing of you.
I apparently provided the void that suddenly gave weightlessness to your minds and out it flowed.
i don’t wish for attention from KV, sleep with his underwear or etc.
i don’t cling to the hems of journalists
i am not a troll
i was not kissing your bunny’s butt.
I feel like this is “what’s my line.” and don’t want to play anymore, so bye.
Posted by marge on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:16 AM Duh, what?!?
Not suggesting the offence you’ve taken is ungrounded—don’t know if it is or not—but this was just posted by Wiley to another forum and i’d say it can hardly be classified as “dense or opaque”:
Public service message—the death toll for medical error has exceeded the death toll for car accidents, so drive carefully (you don’t want to end up in the hospital).
OK, maybe not the best of examples, but it cracked me up.
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:25 AM found page two of posts.
All I can say, is thank you Rocco for socking it to the sophmores. Logorrhea!
Posted by marge on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:25 AM Just out of curiosity, how many people here call themselves and consider themselves to be Democrats and how many call themselves and consider themselves to be Republican.
I’m independent.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:31 AM Ow! Ow! Ow!
From now to the edges of time
I renounce all the pleasures of rhyme.
And if I ever
Say anything clever
I confess in advance for the crime.They say torture doesn’t work!
Posted by luminous beauty on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:35 AM Being Canadadian, the GOP and donkeys—not the same thing, right?—are just small-c conservatives to me.
I’m interdependent: i go for what makes most sense in some place and time.
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:36 AM LB, touché (source: http://www.touchemusic.se/) in spades.
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:44 AM Wiley;
I’m registered Green, but I consider myself an Anarchist.
Or a Buddhist. Or a Bicyclist. Or… Good grief, I’m a freaking menu.
Posted by luminous beauty on Dec 22, 2005 at 2:48 AM And who are these pathetic souls lurking among the threads but not speaking, who make it so important for armchair presidents to pontificate on a forum that is populated by people who just don’t understand something no matter how often it’s repeated and who aren’t “real”?
Rocco,
I have - and again to my credit - responded to the “conversation” for my own reasons, not to least of which is I had been asked by staff to do so. They feel that their beloved ‘zine has been taken over by fools and crazies, and they look behind at a bitter memory of enlightened and pointed discourse.
A friend of mine just said: “Christ, there are a lot of wackos on our site.”
You want to pick one?
He thought I could help.
Whaa???!!! “Help” by insulting everyone on the board? As if brilliance would roll in if all the “wackos” left? That makes so much sense, especially coming from someone who openly wishes deprivation on the western world.
Marge—-you were talking about “drowning” and whether or not I misunderstood you, my intention was to offer solace to someone who seemed to want it. You came out blasting that I didn’t understand you and you started with the insults. That’s all I’ve seen from you since, except more self pity and now encouraging other people to carry your “drowning” torch. I have yet to see you make a single comment on any political issue, except in a conversation about African Americans in prison. I think you got up to five sentences.
Since you’re so lofty Marge, why don’t you educate the sophmores. Come on, I’m all ears. Feel free to spill your brilliance all around. The curtain is up, tell us what’s what.
I love Vonnegut’s work dearly. One of the things I like about him is that he shoots from the hip with his world views. That doesn’t leave a lot of room for analysis, though his spirit is easily shared.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 3:11 AM Yet another one on what really happened in 9/11.
“Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor Joins 9/11 Fight, Saying the Truth Must Be Uncovered”, at
ArcticBeacon, http://tinyurl.com/9kz3b—including another view on the WTC and Pentagon Strikes.(Longish) Extract:
“Most Americans may not realize that no steel-structure high-rise building has ever collapsed from fire in the history of civil engineering, either before or after 9/11,” wrote Fetzer. “If we assume that those fires have occurred in a wide variety of buildings under a broad range of conditions, that evidence suggests that these buildings do not have a propensity to collapsed as an effect of fire. That makes an alternative explanation, especially the use of powerful explosives in a controlled demolition, a hypothesis that must be taken seriously.”
Besides the WTC, Fetzer also provides a detailed analysis of the Pentagon crash, questioning as many before him, “What Really Happened?”
In his paper, he states:
“If a small fighter jet rather than a Boeing 757 had hit the Pentagon, that would tend to explain the small impact point, the lack of massive external debris, and a hole in the inner ring of the building, which the fragile nose of a Boeing 757 could not have created.
“It would also suggest why parts of a plane were carried off by servicemen, since they might have made the identification of the aircraft by type apparent and falsified the official account. A small fighter also accommodates the report from Danielle O’Brien, an air traffic controller, who said of the aircraft that hit, “Its speed, maneuverability, the way that it turned, we all thought in the radar room—all of us experienced air traffic controllers—that it was a military plane.”
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 3:17 AM Glad I made you laugh Ad. It appears that your drunken pain-relieving ritual worked.
I may have to steal the “interdependent” label if someone starts an “independent” party.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 3:27 AM “my god, i am the least understood person I have ever observed”
Marge, RIP
So sad
this abrupt demise, this untold story, this frustrated satisfaction…
why bother trying, anymore?
Lol
*come on back, Marge, and earn your novice badge in the slalom course of our nonsense….*
Schuss,minerva
Posted by minerva on Dec 22, 2005 at 3:43 AM Wiley,
Like Ad, I am a Canadian. We have several parties ...
Three mainstream, left to right : New Democatic Party (NDP), Liberals, Conservatives.
Several fringe, one of them being the Green Party of Canada. The Green Party gets my vote and more people are voting for them every year.
... and a even a satirical political party called the Parti Rhinocéros. Unfortunately they disbanded in 1993 or I would be tempted to vote for them.
Posted by David in Canada on Dec 22, 2005 at 4:26 AM I remember the Rhinocheros party….people tend to mistake satire for a lack of seriousness, or sanity even.
And they would be right…deadly right..in that perspective
lol
Posted by minerva on Dec 22, 2005 at 4:39 AM Uh-oh! minerva,
Close your ears and your eyes all you sane ones. The Goddess of Wisdom has inspired me to quote song lyrics.
(with my best Casey Kasem voice) This is a flash from the past, but still timely. From the Chad Mitchell Trio, circa 1964.(pre-John Denver)
by Michael Brown
Oh, we’re meetin’ at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight
You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right
Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft
But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks
Now there’s no one that we’re certain the Kremlin doesn’t touch
We think that Westbrook Pegler doth protest a bit too much
We only hail the hero from whom we got our name
We’re not sure what he did but he’s our hero just the same
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Socialism is the ism dismalest of all
Join the John Birch Society, there’s so much to do
Have you heard they’re serving vodka at the WCTU?
Well you’ve heard about the agents that we’ve already named
Well MPA has agents that are flauntedly unashamed
We’re after Rosie Clooney, we’ve gotten Pinkie Lee
And the day we get Red Skelton won’t that be a victory
Oh we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Norman Vincent Peale may think he’s kidding us along
But the John Birch Society knows he spilled the beans
He keeps on preaching brotherhood, but we know what he means
We’ll teach you how to spot ‘em in the cities or the sticks
For even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks
The CIA’s subversive and so’s the FCC
There’s no one left but thee and we, and we’re not sure of thee
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We’ll use our hands and hearts and if we must we’ll use our heads
Do you want Justice Warren for your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Krushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbor or even next of kin
If mommie is a commie then you gotta turn her in
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the Right
Join the John Birch Society as we’re marching on
And we’ll all be glad to see you when we’re meeting in the John
The John, the John Birch So- ci- i- tee
Posted by luminous beauty on Dec 22, 2005 at 5:01 AM Jesus was a Socialist…......
( Bingo on Thursday, Blasphemers and Fornicators welcome)
Yee Haw!
Posted by minerva on Dec 22, 2005 at 5:25 AM Populist, not to have a pissing contest, but to keep ourselves honest, why do you say this:
I agree with Rocco, let’s get back to political discourse, and lose the pontification and phishing.
Whether that is his point or not, the purpose of this thread is to discuss his essay.
Can you help me? I’m blonde. I don’t see anything about Vonnegut’s essay in rocco’s post, nor do I see anything worthy of the title “political discourse”. I see nothing but invective and bitching and claims to special posting status based on his relationship with a staff member. Did somebody say “sophmore?”
So, be a dear and show me exactly where rocco engages in “political discourse”. I will be happy to acknowledge it because I would rather find out that I’m wrong and adjust my view accordingly than feel smug and be wrong. In fact, I take feeling smug as a warning sign.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:26 AM And why do you say this?:
Whether that is his point or not, the purpose of this thread is to discuss his essay.
and then post this:
Ad Marshall;
Yes, I’ve read some “theories” that propose the Bush administration was responsible for 9/11. I dont believe it, in the sense that I dont believe his cronies actually planned the attack and made it look like al-Qeada did it.
These things are preposterous. Does anyone actually believe that the US military chain of command, (they would have to be involved), would take part in such a diabolical act? Most of our military is just plain folks, which is to say good people.
I agree with your statement that what we know vastly less than we dont know. But I still try not to “believe” in things, because believing is not knowing, yet not admitting that you don’t know. Maybe that is what Mr. Vonnegut means by guessing</i>
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:32 AM I have no problem with this reply. For some reason I don’t think that forums must be limited to discussing an essay as if we were all amateur critics with a calling. The ‘zine might do better to look at what people here want to discuss in depth and throw in more meat.
The manner of discourse seems to be a theme, and I think that’s a topic worthy of pursuit and a pursuit worthy of exercise, when there are so many dittoheads of all stripes in echo chambers trying to kill discussion and there is so much that we need to learn in order to be informed citizens. In a republic or democracy, either one, discourse is more than entertainment, and I have to be a bit suspicious of those who belittle the processes.
And if people sometimes talk as people and not high school debating machines following some invisible set of rules, is that a bad thing? If the feeling that one is actually talking with “real” and complex people kills the joy, then maybe the level of discourse or intelligence of the posters is not really the issue.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:33 AM Now, I’ll address the topic of your last post:
Well, rather than “guessing”, I would say that this is wishful conjecture, based on I don’t know what. Have you served in the military?I’ve heard a lot of people carry on and on about how wonderful our troops are—- ‘I know your son is a noble hero, and a good person….blah, blah, blah—-(because he wears a uniform.) They don’t know. It’s magical thinking—- awfully close to believing in elves—-to believe that a uniform confers all that it is supposed to symbolize on whomever wears it.
There are serial rapists in the military, just like there are serial racists in the general population. There are murderers in the military just like there are murderers in the general population. There are child molesters in the military just like there are child molesters in the general population.
Was it “just plain folks” raping the boy in front of his mother at Abu Graib? If so, then they were such “plain folks” that a well seasoned journalist who has been around the block a few times is afraid to talk about it.
So if this isn’t sinking in, then tell yourself that someone as mindless as I am served in nuclear forces during the Cold War and military standards have dropped steadily since we got our war on in Afghanistan and Iraq. In ‘80, 60% of the Army was illiterate and their manuals were written like comic books.
There are good and noble people in the armed forces too. A lot of the smartest and most experienced ones were fired by the administration for not playing into the neocon fantasy of remaking the Middle East, or taking it by storm, or whatever their true intention was
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:33 AM I worked in SAC/NORAD, and in a tactical radar unit in Germany with NATO forces, and for me, the most preposterous thing about 9/11 is that figuring out how in God’s name our overlapping air defense system and satellites (that can read a furnace in a concrete warehouse) failed so completely. No heads rolled? That is preposterous!
Our nuclear missiles are on hair trigger alert (only someone as simple and gullible as a president and the generally poorly informed public believes that the Generals can’t launch without presidential authority. Russian Soviet submarine commanders have launch authority.) Our nuclear missiles are so loaded and ready for launch that an entire Command and Control crew was sacked for going into overtime and not launching on a false alarm. So, let that sink in and then ask yourself why Command and Control is ready to nuke the planet on a moments warning but can’t imagine shooting down a civilian jet airliner (as if Bush the elder had not done exactly that and said up front that he wouldn’t apologize.)
I would like to follow up on Ad’s comment later, because this is the first time I’ve seen an air traffic controller quoted. Air traffic controllers being so absent in the dialogue is one hell of a conspicuous absence. If you buy that we-can’t-discuss-it-because-it-would-endanger-security bit, then you are being suckered. When I worked for SAC/NORAD watching the western hemisphere our classification was “Secret”—-the lowest classification in the military. The FAA should be considerably less classified—-it’s a civilian agency that should be held fully accountable to the public.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:35 AM NORAD and SAC are no longer together, NORAD is joined with the Space Command, and probably has a whole lot more satellite imagery now than they did back in the day.
(Google probably has a lot more capability than the military back in the day, but because of our “free market” Google I’d guess, that Google and other corporations are making big bucks on this technology that was developed with public funds.)
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:38 AM Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have no excuse for “guessing”, their signatures adorn a whole slew of breifings and committee reports on everything about nuclear force capability and command and control structure going back to the seventies. I’m just guessing, but it’s an educated guess that they are not acting on what they know, but what they prefer to believe.
While they are ragging on Iran and North Korea, this administration has broken the ABM treaty, tried to push development of a new line of tactical nukes, tried to push through Star Wars (don’t let the word “defense” fool you, it would be an escalation in the arms race), and pushed for renewed testing of nukes. And Bush and Putin agreed to take warheads off their missiles and “put them in the shed” (in the words of a senator) so that they’re actually easier to steal, and made sure that everyone got the idea that these warheads were decommissioned and that our arsenals were reduced.
People who have the public trust and can destroy the planet should NOT be given the benefit of a doubt.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 22, 2005 at 6:40 AM Good gad awmighty, Wiley, i’m (almost) dumbstruck! “Dense” as applied to you is obviously one of the worst attempts at labelling i’ve ever seen. “Opaque” works, but only if recognizing how readily you can turn the opacity on and off.
I am indeed hugely interested in anything more you’ve got to say about the what-really-happened and pentagon-strike references.
And, as to relevance, i hold that debunking the official disinfo is indeed part and parcel of what Vonnegut was urging us all to do in YGIAGAM.
That does indeed mean i see nothing wrong with ThePopulist’s post. But that’s neither here nor there. Given all that Scott writes for his blog—and it is a LOT of what looks like fairly well-informed op-ed pieces on US mil’ things—it seems to me he’s holding back herein.
But i want InFormed opinion from others who have relevant experience, as i’m completely lacking in that respect re US mil’ affairs. I only know what i read and see in the boob tube and films. But you, you wiley witch, seem to fit the bill completely.
Why were you so coy and obscure before? Just being kind?
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 9:25 AM Btw, this topic seems to be really starting to take off. See the latest ITT addition, “What’s the 411 on 9/11?” (What’s a “411”? Operator-assisted information?)
A quote from that article, which i’m still reading now: ‘At the University of Wisconsin, this distinguished academic [Dr. David Ray Griffin] told students at Bascom Hall that “there is no escape from the frightful conclusion that 9/11 was engineered by the Bush administration and its Pentagon.”’
But be sure to watch out for the bait-n-switch in that piece and read the comments that follow.
Will scary coincidences never cease?
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 10:47 AM Goodwin, you don’t suck for writing that. Rabbit is quite ambivelant about what either you or Rocco thinks.
You seem quite enamoured of your own opinion and are no more justified in your pompousness than a number of other twits we know. Until Rabbit sees anything from you which would indicate you are anything but a moron, and a tap dancer he is unlikely to take your criticism as anything more than an endorsement.
Don’t worry about my chosen method of communicationm sunshine, Rabbit will speak in whatever way he sees fit. In fact he deliberately throws in a few I’s and Me’s, words which are so important to some morons, and you are obviously, by your own admision such an one.
One of the more useful results of speaking thusly is that it is inordinately irritating to dickheads. Arrogant, self important wankers and basically anyone who has an ego problem. It is true, Rabbit and others have watched it before, here and elsewhere. The only people who take exception to Rabbit as you do, are egotistical empty heads.
Those who care more about wanking around with form than concerning themselves with substance. Projection of ones own fallibilities is easily recognised, especially by the person who is wrongly accused, as is the rabbit in this case.
You can sort out your ego problems, and you speak only for less than highly thought of entities on this thread anyway, in whatever way you choose. You can forget Rabbit jumping to your constipated tune.
If anyone who matters, is feeling they are about to pay some hideous Physic price due to the form and feature of rabbit, please do let him know about it.
Going down the thread, have been busy. By the way, if you dropkicks were not spending so much time trying to dictate to others about how they should talk and what they should say, maybe we might have managed a few more attempts at something on topic. It is a little hard to stick to it, when morons are prancing about making “much ado about nothing”
Posted by GhostRabbit on Dec 22, 2005 at 4:29 PM AD Marshall
There is so much more which requires reading of yours, but please note the inconsistency of saying it should be brought back on thread and then promptly starting up the 911 debate. That has been raging for seven or eight hundred posts on another thread which was hijacked by Rabbit as it was going to waste, and a Government shill moved it ointo another trhead for another few hundred posts.
Rabbit’s only point is that you just wnet off topic in your next posts. Pot meets Kettle?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Dec 22, 2005 at 4:36 PM Rabbit, i’ll only plead:
01. I tried to explain the relevance of the “9/11 Truth Movement” just 3 posts above your last post;
02. In what i think is the 33rd post of this page (2), i proffered an interpretation of Vonnegut’s YGIAGAM in light of other articles by KV at ITT. But not a single post followed in response to that post. Majortity rules?
03. Just two posts above your last post i noted a new article just appeared on ITT about the “9/11 Truth Movement” and i have since been over there in a vociferous debate against the author and ITT with the initiative and aid one other reader.I’ll put no more about 9/11 here. PLEASE come and join us there. (I’m really, really tired of the personal attacks, in any direction, here.)
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 5:32 PM One thing about 911 which seems to be misunderstood. The Junta have not really covered up the truth about 911. In fact it was a pretty sloppy job and the holes are easy to find. Don’t we get the picture yet? they are doing it for our benefit and you can’t see the fact that the coverups, the lies are never so profound that they are not fairly easily unravelled. there are furthermore people in the military and other government people who have come forward. What world are some of you living in? The very act of witholding so much evidence is guaranteed to create suspician.
They obviously don’t care. They know that only those of us who are awake, not under the spell will get it, the rest are plugged into the machine. Enough of Mr and Mrs Jones are swallowing all the crap that the MSM pumps out at them. George Orwell had nothing on these guys. Orwell foresaw the Television part but I wonder if even he could have predicted the all pervasive media control. I guess it was there too.
This sort of thing is typical of the Illuminati mindset.
The point is that there is not only solid evidence, video evidence, witnesses and Scientific Evidence, more like Scientific Proof…..that the official 911 Conspiracy Theory is the biggest load of codswallop.
If you are still walking around in a daze saying “where is the proof?” then you should just give up now. Go and dig a hole and lie down in it, and wait for the nightfall. You are not really alive. If you cannot look at the simple facts which are known, the things which are certain, and there is plenty and relate these to what you think happened on 911 you are not even in the race.
It can take quite a lot to prove a theory. it only takes one fact to disprove one. There are dozens of rock solid facts which disprove just about every point about the official story.
Anyone wants to argue, just ask Rabbit. ...^^.....
Posted by GhostRabbit on Dec 22, 2005 at 5:35 PM Or don’t ...........this thread is the stupidest and suckiest ever seen at ITT by I.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Dec 22, 2005 at 8:05 PM Rabbit;
Think of this thread as nothing more than an emotional outlet. An opportunity to joke and vent and kvetch. Nothing too serious. Mildly therapeutic.
Posted by luminous beauty on Dec 22, 2005 at 8:55 PM Gad! There’s a whole pre-existing culture here i had no clue about.
I’m over to the God Squad thread to study up.
Thanks GR.
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 9:15 PM But where do the editors and staff of ITT fit in? It seems almost like they’re out of the loop.
Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 22, 2005 at 9:17 PM Wiley, earlier you asked about political parties and I told you about the situation in Canada.
Three mainstream, left to right : New Democatic Party (NDP), Liberals, Conservatives.
I neglected to mention the Bloc Québécois . They only run federal candidates in Quebec and currently hold 54 out of 308 seats in our federal Parliament.
Didn’t want my French Canadian brothers and sisters to feel left out.
Posted by David in Canada on Dec 23, 2005 at 8:09 PM Ahhh. The the wine drinkers. The the pea soup eaters.
I learned about them in Michael Moore’s documentary, Canadian Bacon.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 24, 2005 at 4:49 AM “I worked in SAC/NORAD, and in a tactical radar unit in Germany with NATO forces, and for me, the most preposterous thing about 9/11 is that figuring out how in God’s name our overlapping air defense system and satellites (that can read a furnace in a concrete warehouse) failed so completely. No heads rolled? That is preposterous! “
I attribute this to a general ‘downsizing’ of our Air Weapon Control system in Upstate New York….
believe me, I heard the jets screaming out of Rome and Syracuse that morning, and I headed up the road to ask my father,a former Norad military air weapon controlling instructor/officer who came up through the ranks type of RCAF guy, what the hell was going on in New York City .
And that was all before the first tower fell, but after both were hit.
So we’re talking between 9 and 10 o’clock in the morning.
When the world was less hypervigilant than it is now, people could get raped , pillaged, and blown out of their false sense of security in an hour or less, while the nihilistic fools screamed their dreams of paradise before they burned or imploded on impact.
Now we dedicate whole forces to this sort of endeavour…
do you think “Democracy’ has a battalions worth of nubile virgins waiting on the other side?
You can chose to think there was some vast conspiracy at work here…I think it was ‘death wish meets civil servant’...and everybody knows that the Cold War inspired ‘trigger’ response gets dull after ten thousand or more shifts of absolutely nothing.
In a civilized world, people believe in reading the paper and drinking coffee at 9 a.m.
War is far from their minds.But that’s just me, guessing again….
Posted by minerva on Dec 31, 2005 at 4:38 AM Believe what you want.
I will not entertain excuses.
It amazes me that so many people refuse to hold people with grave responsibilities to their contracts. The U.S. has become a a society of incredibly childish people projecting their unreliability and lack of integrity all around.
Posted by wileywitch on Dec 31, 2005 at 10:12 AM AD20051231Sat20h11m20ICT
So i’m end my AD.2005 harvest of saved Web “refs” (references) and “raps” (reports, analyses, presentations) with “The Hand of Time—For Kurt Vonnegut, the Past Is Ever Present and the Future, Well…”, By Bob Thompson, Washington Post Staff Writer, Wednesday, October 12, 2005; C01, NEW YORK, the best bio and update i’ve seen so far for Baba Kurt Vonnegut, Junior.
And a Slap-Happy New Year of Slackness to all you “here and now, boys” (and girls) in AD.2006, Year of the Dog [ouch]—and all the rest as well.
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PS: This year, MAD (Marshall, Andrew D) saved over 2,800 RAP pages and over 5,340 web-page references over AD.2005.01-12. Virtually all pages were saved “as complete web pages” via the Mozilla/Firefox web browser—over 22 web-pages saved per day. And, i swear, i’m never gonna do that again.
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Oops, 2nd last: the link to the “Aldous Huxley: Island” page was the very, very LAST page saved—i hope… Cheers Y’All!!!
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Posted by AD Marshall on Dec 31, 2005 at 2:51 PM Wiley..when you’re flying at 500 miles per hour…it takes an hour to travel five hundred miles.
Think about it
Posted by minerva on Jan 2, 2006 at 9:50 AM Ooooo… maybe somebody better cut minerva’s chronic ice-tea connection. ;)
Posted by AD Marshall on Jan 2, 2006 at 10:11 AM Sorry AD…I only have your own strange, linkified, and obscure words to offer as a defense for my own stupid, simplified, and kindly intended posts
Do you want to see them again?
Here goes:
AD20051231Sat20h11m20ICTSo i’m end my AD.2005 harvest of saved Web “refs” (references) and “raps” (reports, analyses, presentations) with “The Hand of Time—For Kurt Vonnegut, the Past Is Ever Present and the Future, Well…”, By Bob Thompson, Washington Post Staff Writer, Wednesday, October 12, 2005; C01, NEW YORK, the best bio and update i’ve seen so far for Baba Kurt Vonnegut, Junior.
And a Slap-Happy New Year of Slackness to all you “here and now, boys” (and girls) in AD.2006, Year of the Dog [ouch]—and all the rest as well.
AD20051231Sat20h46m38ICT
AD20051231Sat20h28m49ICT
PS: This year, MAD (Marshall, Andrew D) saved over 2,800 RAP pages and over 5,340 web-page references over AD.2005.01-12. Virtually all pages were saved “as complete web pages” via the Mozilla/Firefox web browser—over 22 web-pages saved per day. And, i swear, i’m never gonna do that again.
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AD20051231Sat20h43m59ICT
Oops, 2nd last: the link to the “Aldous Huxley: Island” page was the very, very LAST page saved—i hope… Cheers Y’All!!!
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Posted by minerva on Jan 2, 2006 at 10:42 AM Cheers…
come on by for some chronic ice tea, or even a beer, sometime.
minerva
Posted by minerva on Jan 2, 2006 at 10:44 AM You’ve inspired me AD…
This year, Minerva Jones has medicated over 200 schizophrenic and bipolar patients, tried to be cheerful during working hours at a great personal cost, and generally performed all sorts of nursing duties, from wiping asses, to injecting asses, to just dealing with an administrative body composed of asses.
You know, I thought bragging would be more fun than that
Posted by minerva on Jan 2, 2006 at 11:22 AM So, Minerva, how long does it take to travel 50 miles?
Think about it.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 2, 2006 at 11:18 PM Rabbit is a fan, Minny.
Not getting into this, ..wise Rabbit.
Happy New Year…dear.
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Posted by Rabbit on Jan 6, 2006 at 9:11 AM Wiley, I’m sorry if I came off as disrespectful…I was only trying to emphasize that “time and chance happen to all”
( I only wish I could claim that quote…Ecclesiastes has the patent on those words, and Kurt Vonnegut brought that idea to the 20th century through the body of his work)
In the mean time…“beam me up, Scottie”
lol
Posted by minerva on Jan 8, 2006 at 5:38 AM Minerva
Rabbit just happened by this thread again, and something you mention also on the right 911 thread.
“..when you’re flying at 500 miles per hour…it takes an hour to travel five hundred miles.”
But why are you flying at 500 miles an hour, when the planes are capable of 1800 mph?
That my dear is the question.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 12:30 PM What is the quote about time and chance happening to all?
Rabbit thinks of a Time for everything, under the heavens.
A time to reap and a time to sow
A time cats away stones and a time to gsather stones together… etcThat’s Ecclesiastes too I think I recall, was it this you meant?
If so, it is one of Rabbit’s favorites in the old testament.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 12:33 PM Whoa. I just found a lot of posts in my junkmail. Howdat happ’n? I was hoping to see confirmation of the receipt of an electronic form I spent three hours figuring and filling out to day. No dice. Must do again. Oh well—transcribing will take much less time. Tra la la. Can’t complain.
I started typing before I read you post, Minerva. I have no idea what “respect issue is here”, so it couldn’t have been too important. Even if it was, I almost always forget about little offences I find. I get mad. I spout. That’s it.
Sorry, if you feel like I’ve been picking on you. Don’t mean too really, but do you think you could lay off of the “lol’s” a little? You probably don’t intend it, but I think you’re undermining yourself. You’ve clearly demonstrated that you can get substantial.
Don’t worry about my bite from time to time. Feel free to bite back. Pay your nickel, take your chances, etc.
Uhhh, your guess is as good as mine? There going to be another romp with Vonnegut soon? I think his picture should be on the twenty dollar bill, instead of whatever useless president is on it—-Jefferson. Franklin’s good. Mark Twain, Einstein, Harriet Tubman…
Hey Rabbitsky! Too lazy to pull out the King James. Isn’t that perverse (come to think about it)? Isn’t it blasphemy that the name of a king is on a version of the bible?! Mammon. Ptooey.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 10, 2006 at 5:19 AM Romans ....Mammon…took control of the Christian movement and subverted it to the purposes of Man’s Kingdom. There is only one potential candidate for the role of true representative of the church established by the white God in opposition to Paganism, the religion of the earth. That is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. All the rest are reactionary if not the original usurper of Rome.
BTW, the original usurper of the Church of the White God, is due for anhilation. I suspect the current Pope, is number LAST!
Christian…..flamin apes…grumble..mumble rabbity growl…silly numbskulls.
They just love that virgin Mother messiah crap, ever since Zarathustra and the Zorros, they are suckers for this one.
Guess how old the rabbit is?
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 11:24 AM How old is Rabbitique? I was born before the flood…
In rabbit years you’re probably three years old. My guess. Give or take a century.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 10, 2006 at 8:31 PM The first flood, the second or Noahs one? Rabbit too a few times, and that sounds about right.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2006 at 5:23 AM Hey folks, Rabbi’, wiley, minerva, CanaDavid, Populista(?) (who’d i miss?),
Say is there somewhere else online where we can hook up and rant or whatever?
I’d really like to have such a place with you folks in back-up for days like today when i feel like ranting on about something that’s got no relevance to any disco going down on ITT.
Call me a prude, but i feel uncomfortable using ITT’s extended discos for personal shite.
Would this work, as lame as it may seem? ::
My[New]Space: http://www.myspace.com/01sighgone
Andi’s Blurbs - About me: [diddly]; Who I’d like to meet: [squat]; Andi’s Friend Space: Andi has 0 friends. [Sad, ain’t it, eh?.]Well, at least there’s a pic and a bit of personal info there. You folks are welcome to pop by and share some abuse. ;)
Posted by AD Marshall on Jan 11, 2006 at 8:02 AM Rabbit has afield where any may gather and poke about anytime, and though there are threads they are informal. Some of those you mention know and if you want anyone may give directions. So can I for that matter, but it isn’t handed out gratuitously like some sort of personal medallion like some trolls I know do.
Also since it is Rabbit’s it is Troll proof.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2006 at 9:06 AM Rabbit looked at place, Andi, Rabbit registered at the place, but it wouldn’t let Rabbit say anything anyway. It is complicated and has lots of gates, rabbits like simple things like the blogger site, whiuch is eminently simple but practical. Also it blocks blockquotes, a worthy goal, and it never messes up lines, and you can delete your own posts.
The rabbit’s ears are a link.
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Posted by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2006 at 11:45 AM Know what you mean about “the place”, Rab’. But, believe it or not, the VietNam national firewall blocks blogspot.com, same with geocities and maybe orkut and still yahoo groups. I’ve got my own blogger space, but can only manage it, can’t look at it (except via ssh to overseas box, which takes most of the fun out of it).
Anyway i can probably pop by your ears in a text browser… Lessee…
andi-itt said…
Hey Rabbit, i can post via text browser. Howdy do! ;)
8:56 PM, January 11, 2006yup. cool… mo’ later. the mrs and a flick are waitin’ upstairs.
Posted by AD Marshall on Jan 11, 2006 at 1:58 PM What would Kurt have made of the summer of ‘09, with all its teabaggers, birthers, deathers & townhall meetings?
Even he would’ve been floored by all the ignorance, and lying….
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