In the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq, President Bush told the world, “We will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more.” But as is always the case in politics, the devil is in the details. When will it no longer be necessary for the United States to maintain troops in Iraq? And what does “withdrawing… return to article
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Reader Comments (202)In the 1990s, the satirical magazine Spy pulled a practical joke on several members of the United States Congress. The magazine successfully convinced several Congressional members, such as Corrine Brown, to issue statements condemning the “ethnic cleansing in Freedonia,” without their realizing that Freedonia was a fictional country.
Posted by David in Canada on Jan 12, 2006 at 11:00 PM I cannot resist any longer against such a stupendous preponderance of incorruptible incorrigible evidentiary fact.
The shards of my world come crashing down.
So, tell me about the Towers again?
;)
Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 12, 2006 at 11:18 PM Ah, yes.
If it looks walks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck — but is hanging on a string, you must have said the secret woid.
Thanks for the links, guys. I had forgotten the name of the movie. It’s been at least 20 years sinceI last watched any of their movies. Maybe I’ll rent it.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 13, 2006 at 1:50 AM Jay as usual has tickets on his own feeble attempts to annoy. Wiley tell the bug he doesn’t ever even come close to affecting anyone with his dimwitted grunting.
He always comes back after another hiding apologising as if anyone ever took any notice of his imbecilic rants. It is a little bit of his raging slef love shining through.
To do that Jay my little, very little fiddly frog minded dweeb, you would have to have at least grasped the concept of reality. All your imagined insults are only ever hilarious to the rest of us, you’re a clown and no mistake.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 8:56 AM Jay since Wiley isn’t in yet, perhaps you could explain to Rabbit what crass comments you made? You must be imagining things, you grunted and gibbered a bit as usual, patted yourslef on the back, took a bow and then scarpered witha few gratuitous remarks. Pretending you somehow crossed some sort of line with your feeble dribble is kinda cute, but a no brainer son.
You didn’t even approach the line of normal reason or honesty, you never said anything strong or even did more than babble a bit, you were as usual kind of funny, and sad, at the same time. I guess by apologising thus you are onmce again projecting. You obviously got hurt, who with so much public shame would not be,and you proably fantasise about any of us some day conceding to you and apologising for being so crass. That is like most things you know, all in your mind.
Here in the real world, you are a peripheral tool to the communion between intelligent and informed people, you are an object of curiosity, an example of the subject under study, the diseased heart of the USA.
You have never I am sure ever been more than a clown to anyone except those few others who are so desperate for support in their delusions, they would suck a leper off if he would just say they were smart.
Notice how the cute fluffy bunny doesn’t even apologise for being Crass, that is because he never gets so excited he cannot think straight and he is as sure that you deserve all the crassness today as he will be tomorrow.
Don’t you be going away now Jay, just because Rabbit thinks you are the dumbest and most gutless minded creature he has ever met, that doesn’t mean you are not appreciated in that role. Don’t ever change Jay.
Just stop reaching, with your feeble apologies for imagined insults. Wiley was heaps more rude than you to her, and I’ll bet she won’t be apologising.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:23 AM Jay Bird you are such a twerp Rabbit is still stuck on your first post.
I do respect your opinions and I am working on being more civil, as difficult as that is when one cannot look into the eyes of another and see, if not their soul, then at least their heart.
Let’s get one thing straight. I respect the opinions of anyone who actually has some, and whose opinions can be supported by reasoned and reasonable intelligence. As for yours, I have NO respect whatsoever for them. I’d respect the same opinions if they belonged to WTH, sometimes, because sometimes he can support his opinions with actual reason, lacking in facts though he usually is.
As for eyes and soul. We all as I have pointed out to you before create out own, recognisable profile by our postings. Assuming there is consistency and nobody is pretending to be someone else that profile is a more accurate picture of who we are than most people get to knopw of us in physical contact life. Think about it. ...Sorry, that’s a lot to ask for you I guess.
Thus Jay, no matter how Good a little soldier you think you are, we already know you to be a deluded, craven cowardly, apologist for anything which makes you feel a bit better about yourself or a bit less afraid of the rest of the world. Your are a crap person and there is no getting around it. You are weak, and willfully ignorant, you are hypocritical and arrogant, so full of hubris you wouldn’t know if your bloody arse was on fire. You are the lowest common denominator on this site, and nobody has ever taken that title away from you since you fist wafted in like a fart on the wind.
Rabbit stretches and gets up to go pull a boat out of the oven.. That was fun though.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:35 AM Jay the champion cheery cherry picker is in no position to talk of others cherry picking. The only reason Jay doesn’t pick more cherries is that there is very little to be found which supports his ideas except the most biased and refutable type, invariably put out by the same crims who are screwing up Iraq in the same place.
Jay seriously looking at what you are doing on this thread, and knowing all that has gone before, as usual rabbit must simply say you are the lowest common denominator. The feeblest of all that is feebleminded and the most craven of all which is cowardly and curlike.
Does Dave still love the troll? Sooner or later you are going to want to squash him like the bug he mentally is. He cannot respond to reason Dave, he gets the Special Koolaid on a drip dude. He is toatlly dishonest too, he is always trying to rewrite history even whilst in the midst of it. Remember how much the little crap brain boasts to his Troll mates about how he wipes the floor with everybody on this site? Ever seen him wipe anything but himself off the floor Dave?
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 10:30 AM “and to weaken the country for the 2003 invasion, 12 years later.”
That’s right Jay Jay, the warmongers actually think more than a week ahead, unlike the dumbies they keep fed on bullshit, like you, they have a longer attention span than a week.
Ten years isn’t long in the scheme of things when the scheme of things is world domination.
Here’s a surprise for you midget mind, the whol;e Iraq step, important and planned as it was more trhan a decade ago, is still only the preparatory steo to taking over Iran’s oil, and then pea brain, the plan is to finally take out the Saudi,s.
THIS is all in black and white, it has been written about by the Neo-cons/Neo-Libs machinery for a while and regularly repeated. Just not on CNN or FOX, so you wouldn’t get it.
The point you barely sentient fungus with a keyboard, is to take the oil, which the USA is patently going to be unable to afford to buy for much longer.
Go back to sleep dimwit, it is all lightyears beyond your ken, and whether or not you understand isn’t going to stop the world turning for one second. Every revolution about the sun brings it closer to events which are the culmination of USELESS sacks of PUS and WIND like you being given the vote.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 10:41 AM Ohg and you know what Jay, when you legends in your own minds, attack Iran, and they fight back like the devil himself, you are going to lose many, many troops, ships and aircraft this time, the Iranians cannot stand against the toital war including Nuclear your Sock puppet masters are planning, but they have more than enough resources to bring America headfirst into the worst troubles you have ever imagined. You don’t have to take Rabbit’s word for it, the die is cast dimwit, and your POTUS evidently has no more idea of what he’s about to do than you do. Even if he wasn’t hitting the bottle again and doing Cocaine too I’d say from looking at him, he still doesn’t have enough brain cells to comprehend the consequences of his imminent actions.
Finally their choice of the Shrub is making sense. Who else could have been so stupid as to allow himself to set up the USA for disaster, and the rest of the world by flow-on.
You just couldn’t share the planet could you, just had to have it all. Well PIGS you are going to pay it all with interest, and NOBODY will be crying for you.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 10:48 AM Rabbit,
Since I don’t hate Jay, I must love him. Since I don’t hate anyone, I must love everyone.
Hard to fathom, I know, but that’s the way it is with me.
Posted by David in Canada on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:16 PM Here are some wiser words than mine. It is unlikely that either of the present Morons can or will read this but it is a shortcut to the educations they are both short on.
For anybody else, read and see how easily the morons could get a few clues. This is so short and easy to understand rabbit shall be giving it to his 13 and 14 year old kids to read as a contemporary update. of course any facts quoted can be checked, by those who are literate.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:17 PM And here it is for the reference challenged.
In November 2000, Iraq stopped accepting U.S. dollars for its oil. Counted as a purely political move, Saddam Hussein switched the currency required to purchase Iraqi oil to the euro. Selling oil through the U.N. Oil for Food Program, Iraq converted all of its U.S. dollars in its U.N. account to the euro. Shortly thereafter, Iraq converted $10 billion in its U.N. reserve fund to the euro. By the end of 2000, Iraq had abandoned the U.S. dollar completely.
Two months after the United States invaded Iraq, the Oil for Food Program was ended, the country’s accounts were switched back to dollars, and oil began to be sold once again for U.S. dollars. No longer could the world buy oil from Iraq with the euro. Global U.S. dollar supremacy was restored. It is interesting to note that the latest recession which the United States endured began and ended within the same time frame as that during which Iraq was trading oil for euros. Whether this is a coincidence or related, the American people may never know.
In March 2006, Iran will take Iraq’s switch to the petroeuro to new heights by launching a third oil exchange. The Iranians have developed a petroeuro system for oil trade which, when enacted, will once again threaten U.S. dollar supremacy far greater than Iraq’s euro conversion. Called the Iran Oil Bourse, an exchange that only accepts the euro for oil sales would mean that the entire world could begin purchasing oil from any oil-producing nation with euros instead of dollars. The Iranian plan isn’t limited to purchasing one oil-producing country’s oil with euros. Its plan will create a global alternative to the U.S. dollar. Come March 2006, the Iran Oil Bourse will further the momentum of OPEC to create an alternate currency for oil purchases worldwide. China, Russia, and the European Union are evaluating the Iranian plan to exchange oil for euros and giving the plan serious consideration.
If you are skeptical regarding the meaning of oil being purchased with euros versus dollars and the devastating impact it will have on the economy of the United States, consider the historic move by the Federal Reserve to begin hiding information pertaining to the U.S. dollar money supply starting in March 2006. Since 1913, the year the abomination known as the Federal Reserve came to power, the supply of U.S. dollars was measured and publicly revealed through an index referred to as M-3. M-3 has been the main staple of money supply measurement and transparent disclosure since the Fed was founded. In his report, What’s the Fed up to with the money supply?, Robert McHugh writes, “On November 10, 2005, shortly after appointing Bernanke to replace Greenbackspan, the Fed mysteriously announced with little comment and no palatable justification that they will hide M-3 effective March 2006.” (To learn more about Robert McHugh’s work, please visit https://www.technicalindicatorindex.com/Default.asp)
Is it mere coincidence that the Fed will begin hiding M-3 the same month that Iran will launch its Iran Oil Bourse, or is there a direct threat to the stability of the U.S. dollar, the U.S. economy, and the U.S. standard of living? Are Americans being set up for a collapse in our economy that will make the Great Depression of the 1930’s look like a bounced check? If you cannot or will not make the value and stability of the U.S. currency of personal importance, if you are unwilling to demand from your elected officials, an immediate abolishment of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the fiat money scheme that the banking cartel has used for nearly a century now to keep our government and our people in a state of perpetual debt, than you are faced with but two alternatives, abject poverty, or invading Iran.
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Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:20 PM The plans to invade Iran are unspoken, but unfolding before our very eyes. The media has been reporting on Iran more often, and increasingly harshly. For the U.S. government to justify invading Iran, it must first begin to phase out the War in Iraq, which it is already doing. Next, it must portray the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as a threat to the region and the world. Finally, once naive American people are convinced the “weapons of mass destruction” that were to be found in Iraq are actually in Iran, coupled with the almost daily media coverage of Iran’s nuclear power / weapons program aspirations, and what we will soon have on our hands is another fabricated war that will result in tens of thousands of civilian lives being lost, all because the political elected pawns in Washington DC lack the discipline to return our currency to a gold or silver standard, end the relationship with the foreign banking cartel called the Federal Reserve, and limit the activities of the U.S. government to those articulated in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution for the United States of America.
When a wayward and corrupt fiscal policy and fiat currency, coupled with runaway government spending, forces a nation to only be able to sustain the value of its currency with bullets, the citizenry of the country involved in wars primarily to sustain its currency have historically first became slaves to their government, and then to the nations that finally conquer them. If you question the validity of such a premise, or whether it could happen to the United States of America, study the fall of the Roman Empire. If you read the right books on the subject, you’ll quickly discover that towards the end of the Roman reign, the Roman Empire was doing exactly what America is doing today; attempting to sustain a failed fiat money system with bullets.
Understanding fiat money is not an easy task, and the Federal Reserve, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund have purposely made it that way. They do not want the American people to realize that the money in their wallet loses its value with each new dollar that they print. They do not want people to understand that our money does not become money until it is borrowed. When the Federal Reserve has money printed, when it is in uncut sheets of paper, it is not yet money. After it is cut, bundled, and placed into the Federal Reserve vaults, it still is not money. It only becomes money once it is borrowed. Consequently, if all debt were to be paid, if the United States didn’t have an $8 trillion national debt and the American people were debt free, and if all loans of U.S. dollars made to foreigners were paid in full, there would be exactly zero U.S. dollars in circulation because it will have all been returned to the vaults of the Federal Reserve. This might seem hard to fathom, but it is the gospel of fiat money.
The major news media in the United States, fed by Washington DC which in turn is fed by the Federal Reserve, literally, has already begun conditioning the American people for invading Iran. Media accounts of Iran’s nuclear ambitions along with amplification of the potential instability and core evilness of Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is setting the stage to spring the invasion of Iran on the American people. There does appear to be a direct correlation between the winding down effort underway in Iraq and the increase of anti-Iran rhetoric. How American soldiers ultimately arrive in Tehran is uncertain at this time, but it is reasonable to expect that if the Iran Oil Bourse opens for business in March 2006 as planned, it will only be a matter of time before the United States will have to blow it up.
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Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:22 PM If the United States invades Iran, or if Israel starts military actions by launches missiles at Iran’s nuclear power facilities, which then opens the door for the United States to intervene, most Americans will believe that our military actions in Iran will be to defend freedom and liberty while spreading democracy, when the truth is that we’ll be fighting a war in Iran because of our nation’s relationship with the Federal Reserve, a so-called bank that is not owned by the federal government, maintains no reserve, and isn’t a bank at all, but a cartel. Just like our war in Iraq, Americans and foreigners will die in battle so that the historical power bankers and brokers; cartel members such as Rothschild, Morgan, Lehman, Lizard, Schrader, Lobe, Kuhn, and Rockefeller to name a few, can continue collecting interest on every single U.S. coin and dollar bill in circulation, while controlling the U.S. Congress to the extent that the U.S. taxpayer becomes the collateral and lender of last resort to cover bad loans and unpaid debts that these institutions create by loaning money to third world countries, some of which are devout enemies of the United States. Remember the $400 billion savings & loan bailout approved by the U.S. Congress during the Reagan Administration? America is still paying for it – you and me, and so will our children and grandchildren.
It is well overdue for Americans, every American, to do whatever it takes to fully understand the relationship between the United States and the Federal Reserve, along with the grave consequences of our current fiat money system. For even if the United States wanted to continue to sustain the supremacy of the U.S. dollar with bullets, it is historically, impossible. When bullets become the commodity to secure a currency, it is a clear sign of devastating calamity looming. To ignore the warning signs is to suffer like you have never suffered before, or to die. Harsh words, but true.
So how do the above, irrevocable facts sit with your imaginings, Morons?How will you spin it? Tell us about the IslamicTerrorists again please, or about 911, whatever it was. Tell us about saving the world. Tell us about how you saved the world in WWII if all else fails. That one is always good for a hard on for the flacid right.
How long do you think you can keep trading on what your grandfathers did?
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:27 PM Read this slowly and try and prove it is wrong. When you understand it is the truth, see if you can fit it into your understanding.
We already know you will be blathering about freedom and democracy. You are being prepared now, we’ve been watching them program you. Funny little robots. You’ll forget that Iran isn’t doing anything illegal by starting up it’s nuclear power plants, all in order by the agreement which they have never broken but which you have.
You’ll forget that the Iranian prime minister who mouthed off recently is being reigned in by those Iranian clerics because they are not as radical as you imagine and are finding him to be too over the top. That is why he can say all he likes but they won’t let him do anything crazy, the civilized world knows that. The same way we know there is nobody left in the USA who can stop Bush from doing anything crazy.
If the United States invades Iran, or if Israel starts military actions by launching missiles at Iran’s nuclear power facilities, which then opens the door for the United States to intervene, most Americans will believe that our military actions in Iran will be to defend freedom and liberty while spreading democracy, when the truth is that we’ll be fighting a war in Iran because of our nation’s relationship with the Federal Reserve, a so-called bank that is not owned by the federal government, maintains no reserve, and isn’t a bank at all, but a cartel. Just like our war in Iraq, Americans and foreigners will die in battle so that the historical power bankers and brokers; cartel members such as Rothschild, Morgan, Lehman, Lizard, Schrader, Lobe, Kuhn, and Rockefeller to name a few, can continue collecting interest on every single U.S. coin and dollar bill in circulation, while controlling the U.S. Congress to the extent that the U.S. taxpayer becomes the collateral and lender of last resort to cover bad loans and unpaid debts that these institutions create by loaning money to third world countries, some of which are devout enemies of the United States. Remember the $400 billion savings & loan bailout approved by the U.S. Congress during the Reagan Administration? America is still paying for it – you and me, and so will our children and grandchildren.
I’m glad my grandchildren won’t be inheriting an average of $40,000 national debt to pay for the greed of some incredibly rich foreigners who hijacked my nations economy on the back of incompetant leaders. (and that is if you don’t borrow one more dollar ever again)
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:37 PM Figure it out guys. Check and prove to yourselves that the Fed isn’t an American Institution, it is basically your creditors. Add up the figures and check the facts, make sure it is all true, which it is, and then see if your delusions can take it into account. See if you can fit it all together without a feeling of impending doom. If you can do so, great. The bigger the shock when a Russian soldier kicks in your door and yells at you to “lay down on the ground, don’t move American pig.”
Of course you could just come and change the subject, ignore the details or build a strawman, that’s always good to work off some energy isn’t it dingbats? You could also just make ad-hominem attacks or spout some slogans, but by ignoring the above facts you will be sealing your doom for all the listeners at home, who will be reading it and seeing your failure to uphold your end of the argument.
Do you think it will help to explain it to the Russian soldier when he is holding a rifle at your wifes head and demanding to know where are your guns?
Dream on, change the channel. It will all go away. Nothing to worry about. You’ve got the brainiest Pres in history. The toughest too. “The Shrub is your Shepherd, you shall not want, he maketh you to lie…..”
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:52 PM Yes Dave, you should have been a Monk. So should Jay have been. Heck you could have shared a bunk. Two monks in a bunk, one Smart and one Junk. One is a flunk and the other would get drunk. Jay is a Skunk.
Rabbit is Drunk!
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 4:56 PM Dave you could just despise him? You could probably despise him without actually hating him. Do you have to love such apostasies? What about loathe him?
Rabbit loves everyone too, but sometimes the best thing to do for something you love, is to shoot it. Sad but true.
Maybe you can see the point of Loving Jay and shooting him for his own sake? Imagine how horrible it will be when his delusions really cannot be sustained because the Russian Soldier doesn’t speak American, and he is now kicking Jay in the ribs because he can only babble incoherantly?
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 5:01 PM If you think the invasion of Iraq was about 9-11 and Al-Qaida then I urge you to think again. Cast aside all that the major television networks have programmed into your daily thinking, take a deep breath and slowly exhale. Now, think…real hard. Were any WMD’s (Weapons of Mass Destruction) ever found in Iraq? Has any connection between 9-11 and Saddam Hussein been solidly proven? The answer to both queries is a resounding NO. So why then would the US, the world’s largest economic entity, undertake an invasion of Iraq to capture and remove leader Saddam Hussein? The answer is all about economics. More specifically, Currency. That’s right, Currency. You see, Saddam Hussein had developed a very serious, very viable plan to sell Oil from his country in exchange for Euros. Had he succeeded in putting this plan into action, the damage to the stature of the US Dollar as the global reserve currency would have been un-fixable. Oil importing nations would have reduced their holdings of US Dollars and added Euros to their vaults. The damage to the US economy which is entirely predicated on US Dollar supremacy could have been quite serious indeed. So, in the immediate aftermath of 9-11, the US launched a major offensive under the rather attractive name Operation Iraqi Freedom to trounce any Oil for Euros plans once and for all. But CNN told you a different story. Over and over, night after night you were reminded that Saddam Hussein was a monster. He was sitting on a massive cache of destructive weapons that threatened your safety. He was intimately linked to Al Qaida and global terror. Carefully crafted stories by embedded reporters and film footage of US and British troops moving triumphantly towards Baghdad made the while thing seem larger than life.
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Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 5:18 PM The sound of Jay and WTH watching Fox and CNN respectively.
Suck suck suck…....slurp slurp slurp….....suck suck suck…............BURP…
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 5:33 PM Cyrillien ? ! Que diriez-vous de des caractères chinois ?
Non. Intéresser.
Babblefish could come in handy.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 14, 2006 at 10:01 PM If my Grandfather (on my Dad’s side) was still alive he could read it. He read, write and spoke German (high and low), Russian, Romanian and a spoke little Hungarian too.
Posted by David in Canada on Jan 14, 2006 at 10:58 PM Sorry Rabbit,
I don’t loathe or despise Jay either. The best I can do is dislike his ideals.
Posted by David in Canada on Jan 14, 2006 at 11:05 PM I’m typically American in at least three aspects, one being the fact that I only speak my native tongue. When I try to remember simple Spanish words I tend to remember simple German words, though three year olds learning either language would know more words than I do in their respective languages.
I’m surprized that this site supports the cyrillic alphabet. Considering that “chink” is the only racial pejorative that is censored here, it surprized me a little that it doesn’t support Chinese characters as well.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 15, 2006 at 9:08 PM My German is terrible, my French even worse.
But seriously, when I try my German out on my grandmother I have to translate it back into English for her to understand me.
Posted by David in Canada on Jan 15, 2006 at 10:21 PM Communicating for Rabbit is an odd thing I think. He finds picking up languages happens really easily amongst the people speaking it. Thus he learnt Danish in about 6 months living there, just working and reading the newspaper. By necessity. When visiting France ort Germany one starts learning words, several new ones a day, just out of necessity, and often withour intention. Given six months in any place I think I could become fluent enough to get by.
Rabbit is only fluent in Danish and English, but can manage written German, mostly technical stuff though, like service manuals and can get by shopping.
Rabbit likes the little pictures of Chinese Charaters too, but hasn’t got a clue what they mean.
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Wiley at least you can speak English, as well as American, it is not all that can.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 16, 2006 at 11:40 AM Bush senior gave green light for Iraq to attack Kuwait.
As we who were paying attention have said before.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 16, 2006 at 4:38 PM Danish? Cool!
Before we divorced, my husband was reciting classic Chinese poetry to me in Chinese—-first the whole poem—-then he recited each line in Chinese with an English translation for each line. Then he’d recite the whole poem again.
Oh yeah. Did you know that Kuwait was part of Iraq before World War I? Or II? Read it recently. Maybe I’ll look that up later.
Kuwaitis were ripping off the oil, for sure. Do people really believe that Hussein just decided to attack Kuwait on a whim? What ee-ville can I do today? I know—-I’ll attack Kuwait—-they’ll never see it coming! MWU AW HAW HAW ! Or was it lol? ANYWAY,
I’ll have to read that Rense article you recommended tomorrow to refresh my memory.
It’s late and I’ve had a rough week. It’s going to take me a week to recover from the mess I was this week. It took me a year to recover from Gulf I. I stopped watching coverage of it when I realized it looked like an “Air Force Now” promotional film.
Am still messed up with Gulf II, and we’re gearing up to attack Iran.
Why are we always beating up on poor people?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 10:19 AM Why are we always beating up on poor people?
Because they have something we want, and because it is too hard to beat up on rich people.
Yes Kuwait is really a part of Iraq, originally. Rabbit knows this.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:29 PM Oh Kaninen taler dansk fordi han er gift med en Dansker.
Han’s Kone er jo nemlig Dansk. Hun kommer fra Jydskland, and der har Kaninen boede also i fem ar.
Selv Kanin datteren er i Danmark for besog nu. Hun kommer snart hjem. Det er Kanine mejet glad for. Han savner sin datter hel tiden nu.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:33 PM Wiley,
Pick a time, any time throughout history, and “they"used to be a part of something else. This is especially true in the “furtile crescent” area. They have always had something someone else wanted.
Poland is another territory people play ping pong with.
There is nothing new.
Maps should be drawn on an Etch-a-sketch.
We get homesick for things which never were.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 17, 2006 at 4:58 PM Yes, wth, you do pick up on simple concepts, but any time in history doesn’t generally influence the present as much as that which is in living memory or recent history. People dying in the streets of Baghdad will be rightfully uncomforted by your conveniently telescopic view.
Pick any time throughout history when humans had the capability to murder 50 million people with the push of a button; or the ability to make the whole planet uninhabitable to any organism that can succumb to cancer, or that needs to breathe.
The world is much more volatile now than it has ever been. If you want to comfort yourself with the idea that there is nothing new under the sun, then that’s your choice; but don’t fool yourself into thinking that this position is built on the wisdom of the past. It’s built on denial and a bizarre inability to deal with the profoundly threatening face on the home team.
When we target people with missiles, loaded with nuclear warheads and then our president refers to the countries we targeted as being an “axis of evil”, that is rightly perceived as a hostile ante—-same with bombing their cities.
I mean, is it crazy that they don’t understand that when we bomb their cities, communications grids, water treatment plants, power grids, cities, and towns that we’re saying we love you?
Or what? Snap out of it, WTH.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 10:03 PM Wiley,
Yes, I keep it simple for people with short memories.
As you say —
“The world is much more volatile now than it has ever been.”
“...but any time in history doesn’t generally influence the present as much as that which is in living memory or recent history. People dying in the streets of…”
(New York.)
“Pick any time throughout history when humans had the capability to murder 50 million people with the push of a button; or the ability to make the whole planet uninhabitable to any organism that can succumb to cancer, or that needs to breathe.”
Get with it, Wiley.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:19 PM Get with what, WTH? Are you saying that 9/11 had something to do with Iraq? Or what?
Get with what WTH?
Are you comparing the attacks of 9/11 with full blown nuclear capability? How much do you think we ought to squeeze out of the victims of 9/11? Hmmmm? How many countries can we attack because of 9/11, WTH? All the muslim nations?
When do we get to stop being victims? How many innocent Iraqi, Afghani, and Pakistani people do we need to kill to get the equivalent of 3,000 people killed in New York, over three years ago?
Then what?
How many people are murdered in New York every year? Should we bomb New York ?
Apparently a lot of the population is stuck in victim mode. That was over three years ago. If we wanted to get even, why didn’t we do an investigation and join the rest of the world in a hunt for the perpetrators? Then maybe we could have caught the perpetrators, and put them on trial in a world court, so that we would have seen the people responsible for the attacks of 9/11 brought to justice and locked away so that they wouldn’t hurt anyone else.
But no. We’re going to go to war with “terrorism” and “islam”.
We targeted Iran and North Korea before 9/11, BTW. Remember the little axis-of-evil scene at the DMZ?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 18, 2006 at 1:48 AM Babblefish doesn’t do Danish, Rabbitroni.
Du bist wie eine blume?
OH, what is the topic?
LEAVE. WE SHOULD LEAVE.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 18, 2006 at 6:25 AM WTH you NEED to listen to Wiley. Between she and Rabbit you are being given the best opportunity to get well you are ever likely to get. She is telling you the other half of things which Rabbit hasn’t been able to get clear to you yet,. For yoyur own soul man, listen and think for yourself. Don’t fit a slogan in there, try stringing your own thoughts together based upon what you are hearing. Stop listening according to what you believe. If ever someone was close but a million miles from home, you’re it. uynless you can take this step soon, open your mind, for gods sake man you actually admit you have a closed mind, you’ve announced as much and with pride on occassion.
Forgive me mate, but if you cannot be taken seriously by anybody worthy of respect on this site, and you are consistently being called the same things then surely it occurs to you there could be something in it.? I know I do. believe it or not the rabbit has learned from not only the criticism of others but even once from yourself. You may not have noticed but Rabbit has over time altered certain of his views and attitudes even habits, in deference to others.
It isn’t like these things might have been significant in most respects, but they were indications that I pay attention to what is being said to me.
Take my word for it, or don’t, you are not going to teach anyone on this site anything. Either they are as ignorant as you, Willfully in your case but not always in others’, or they already know a lot more and have much more open minds already and you really could stand to learn a lot from them instead. Take it or leave it, but you could contribute something of value, I sense it, but not from the position of fear and ignorance which you are clinging to.Come along little Penguin, come back from the edge/
There is Sharks in that there water, and they are only letting those others get far enough from shore before eating them. Come back here and you’ll see the truth, but now you are too close to it, too close to the edge. Don’t be afraid, we’re your friends, we want to help you.
Understand Penguin of Rabbit’s, we don’t actually need you, you need us. Either you are going to follow the mob who are barely half our number anyway, and take a chance on there being no sharks despite what we say, or you can rejoin the flock who have long since decided there isn’t any point swimming with sharks, with a Fish shop across the road. In time, if not quite quickly you may come to know what a shark looks like and you too will see the Emperor had no clothes to begin with.
Swim or stay, fly or float, like a boat, with a hole in it.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:46 AM Something for
<a > WhatTheHeck</a>Wiley the rabbit has a name for it, Holocaust Syndrome.
The patient has an insatiable feeling of persecution and a simultaneous lack of reason in dealing with anything which it once has percieved as some sort of vegeance upon it’s percieved persecuters. Sufferers of this illness are unable to see any abuse which follows in the wake of it’s actions as anything but just whilst they react with outrage and amazement when anybody actually resists their assaults, or shoots back.
Luckily sufferers of HS seem unable to breed more of their kind and their numbers, since a peak after 911, appear to be diminishing.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 9:10 AM That Holocaust Syndrome sounds like something you might see in Israel.
Is that it? Is this the big one? Who will be the first to say “anti-Semitic”?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 19, 2006 at 6:06 AM No Rabbit feels Holocaust Syndrome relates as well to 911. That is not to say it hasn’t affected many Jews for a while. It has allowed so many to justify the atrocities committed in their name by Israel.
It has just found a new expression in the psyche of Americans who use it to justify all manner of atrocities in their name.
It is this syndrome which is manifested in the effect of the Koolaid drinking morons represented ably by WTH, Tiny Shrew, Scorpy, Natty etc. They all have a weird propensity to denial and it is familiar, we see it in them all. They all have Holocaust Syndrome.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 19, 2006 at 6:38 AM 9/11 was horrible enough, without the marketing. But without the marketing, I think the response would have been sober and would have remained focused on the need for an investigation and cooperation with the rest of the world that also wanted the killers brought to justice. Or maybe we would have forgotten about it after a couple of riveting episodes of Star Search and Survivor. I don’t know. (I don’t feel like I know this country at all anymore).
Honestly, I don’t understand why so many thinking people feel that our attack on Afghanistan was justifiable. What’s that? The first country you collectively punish with carpet bombing after a terrorist incident in which the alleged perpetrators are from a different country, is fair game if the alleged terrorist group trains in that country. And the other country that that terrorist group trains in is not such fair game if they’re a convenient ally? Caveat, if the leader of the country you want to bomb offers to arrest and imprison the leader of the alleged terrorist group then refuse that (even though the leader of the country is your puppet) and carpet bomb the whole country to catch that one guy and whoever else sticks to him.
What the hell is that? Why do so many intelligent and well informed people support the bombing of Afghanistan? Many people there don’t want to try to have families anymore because they are so traumatized by the mutated babies that die shortly after birth.
Afghanistan is now the most radioactively contaminated country in the world. These people have all been poisoned on behalf of bin Laden, courtesy of the United States government. That’s insane. That’s evil.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 19, 2006 at 9:32 AM
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 19, 2006 at 2:26 PM Wiley,
“But without the marketing, I think the response would have been sober and would have remained focused on the need for an investigation and cooperation with the rest of the world that also wanted the killers brought to justice.”
I know you don’t like it kept simple, but I’ll start that way and let you complicate it if you wish.
We can probably agree on this much:
1. On September 9, 2001, a group of people attacked three major buildings in the U.S. using commercial aircraft.
2. A fourth plane would have hit another building if it hadn’t been prevented by passengers.
3. It was unknown how many more may have been hijacked.
4. Fighters were scrambled and commercial planes were grounded.
——————————-Just suppose you were the Commander in Chief:
What if…
Only one plane had hit on 9/11. Would you have authorized the fighters to shoot down any others if a report confirmed it was in control of terrorists?
A month later another hit.
Then, a week later another hit.How long would you respond by remaining sober and continuing an investigation?
At what point would you act on whatever intelligence is available?
If you have information they have been allowed to train in a given country how long would you wait to attack?
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 19, 2006 at 8:23 PM What does that have to do with attacking Afghanistan or Iraq, WTH? What you posted last is indeed, simple. It is also irrelevant.
How long would you want another country to wait before carpet bombing this nation to capture Luis Posada Carriles?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 20, 2006 at 1:05 AM Wiley,
I guess it is safe to say you would DO nothing. (Just talk us all to death.)
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 20, 2006 at 1:32 AM Riiiiight, WTH.
Does this allegedly dying “us” get a response to the simple question, WTH?
Can you not come up with a better response than suggesting that because I wouldn’t commit genocide willy-nilly to look busy that I would do nothing?
What does that have to do with attacking Afghanistan or Iraq, WTH? What you posted last is indeed, simple. It is also irrelevant.
How long would you want another country to wait before carpet bombing this nation to capture Luis Posada Carriles?
Try again, WTH. You clearly need practice. Your response is lazy even for trolls, shills, and morons.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 20, 2006 at 2:11 AM Wiley, it is the program taking over again. Everytime he just twists like an eel.
Maybe he is some sort of economy class shill after all? More likely just another sicko in abject denial. Another sufferer of Holocaust Syndrome.
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