Postcards From the Front

Not bad Lakshmi

As for the “Heroes” who are invading a sovereign nation on orders from the sock puppet Bush on behalf of the Globalists…............. glad to see a few could get a book deal out of it.

Sure though it’s lucky that the Iraqis are sub human and their feelings, freedom and honor are not as important as the American Cannon Fodder who happened to survive the actual assault and occupation.

Imagine how the stories of the Iraqis would sound in few years if they ever get to write their stories?

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:52 AM

We are guaranteeing ourselves a major ass-kicking somewhere down the road. Count on it. We have righteously pissed off one billion Muslims, people known for their long memory and ability to patiently wait decades for vengeance.

These yahoos the yellow ribbon magnets idolize and glorify, who through their ignorance, crudeness and sadism are representing the rest of us to an increasingly nauseated world, will make certain America’s fall.

We will deserve it if for no other reasons than our apathy and silence.

Posted by opeluboy on Jan 13, 2006 at 3:17 PM

Hey opeluboy,

What are you talking about?  You are saying we pissed off the Muslims .....  what !!

You might want to do a little research .... I think you will find that Muslims have attacked American interest about 17 times since the mid-70’s.  They were already pissed off, they have always hated America ... this is nothing new.  Maybe if the USA and Europe would of stood up to these stupid bastards years ago, then we wouldn’t be in this situation.

You are a perfect example of a “liberal” ... bow down to the Muslims, and then blame us ... it’s our fault. 

Having said that, you have the right to think and say what you want ... and I hope you and other liberals keep talking.  Why ??  Because the more you liberals keep talking the more it helps the GOP win elections.  Thank You !! 

PS - Make sure you get Michael Moore and the Hollywood Left involved in the next election .... that worked out well for the Dems in 04’ ... lol ... lmao ....

Posted by tina1 on Jan 13, 2006 at 7:06 PM

Amazing one can actually type such a response after walking on one’s knuckles all day.

There is some truth here, however. I would not be surprised to see the Republicans win more elections. But first they’ll need to change the laws so they can run from prison.

They will probably want to re-think that gay marriage ban as well since so many of them will be “brides”, willing or not (a small number, I suspect)

Anyway, thanks for the input Tina. Or should I say Bob? Seeing how you’re a freeper it is more than likely you are in actuality a man posing as a woman (hey, whatever gets you poor repressed Neandethals off). But here’s a word of warning: stay out of the teen chat rooms. There’s too many of you conservative Christians being busted for pedophilia already.

Posted by opeluboy on Jan 13, 2006 at 7:26 PM

So, they let you out again, did they, tina1?

Guards!!!

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 7:50 PM

Hey, tina, if you did your history, you’d find out just why the Muslims have attacked us.
For our interference in the Middle East, which is nothing more than an oil grab
For our backing of Saddam,
For our backing of Israel without admonishing their attrocities, there are 17 UN Security Council Resolutions against Israel for this very reason) Oh, yeah, the US doesn’t need the UN unless they’re trying to conn the public into an unjust war.
Reason enough to piss off the Muslims? No? How about starting with the CIA backing a coupe to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran in the 50’s.
But I guess the US is just a bunch of angels, now, aren’t we?

GOP win elections? Your monkey boy is going down fast. Delay “resigned” but will still be convicted, Libby is gone, and more will fall, especially if tWit continues to illegally spy on citizens. And the conservative John Birch Society recently conducted a poll asking if bush should be impeached and removed from office. 73% said yes.
http://www.jbs.org/poll.php?vo=1

Just keep blabbing, though, ignoring the real reason they’re pissed off at us. Keep blabbing while bush continues to illegally detain and torture people, keeps treading on the Constitution and shaming his party.
Keep it up, June Cleaver. Hopefully, more Birch Society members will continue to vote yes to impeachment.

Posted by Ammonia D on Jan 13, 2006 at 7:57 PM

It wasn’t exactly born yesterday—-this whole idea that when we wage war on other nations it is our war.  Even when we say that Iraq is like Vietnam, we’re talking about our Viet Nam.

Has it slipped anyone’s attention that whenever Viet Nam is brought up to compare with whatever this aggression is called—-O.I.L.?—-that the Viet Namese aren’t brought up? Even though the Viet Namese are still stepping on our landmines, and still suffering from environmental degradation, and health problems caused by Agent Orange, the people of that nation don’t seem to merit mention.

When I was a child I thought we would have learned by now.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 8:05 PM

Uh, Rabbitudinal—-Sorry about the mess I left over there, pal. I guess I didn’t read your last post carefully enough.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 8:07 PM

middle east

Hope this link works. Let’s see if the National Security Archives are a den of twisted liberal thinking on the topic of the Middle East and propoganda. 

lol.

Thanks for going into specifics, AmmoniaD.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:14 PM

No, that didn’t work.

I’ll be right back.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:15 PM

archives

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:17 PM

Okay, if you scroll down about halfway down the page on the right hand side, there is a search engine for the archives. I typed in Iran and found a lot of interesting documents about our history of propoganda campaigns in the middle east.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 13, 2006 at 9:19 PM

So those TV commercials that Bush ran before the election are true ... the commericals that said libs/dems are WEAK on security, WEAK on the military, WEAK on defending America. 

WOW ...

Your whinning about “torture” by our military.  They (terrorists) cut off peoples heads, and we kicked a Koran and put underwear on someone’s head .... and we are the bad guys.

And your crying about wiretaps on Terrorists ....

And your crying about Jose Padilla being held without charging him.  Did you see what he was caught with?  Al Quida phone numbers are on his cell phone, he was tracked to the middle east and training with Al Quida ... AND HE ADMITTED IT.  He has emails to the know Terrorists .. and he’s your HERO.

Here is a question for you liberals:  Do you have anything good to say about America? 

If you hate America so bad, why do you stay here?  Why don’t you move? 

If I hated America like you do, I would of left the USA a long time ago. 

And what is “opeyboy” talking about? dragging knuckes, chat rooms and child molestors. 

The more I see and hear you liberals, the more convinced I am that the GOP will stay in the White House in ‘08. 

I DON’T THINK THE ...  (( Anti-Military, Pro-Terrorist, Anti-Christian, Pro-Muslim, USA Sucks and It’s Always Our Fault )) PLATFORM ..... WILL WIN OVER MIDDLE AMERICA.

No, I really don’t think that’s the ticket into the White House, but I say “GO FOR IT” 

And make sure Michael Moore makes another “Anti-USA” movie ... that’s a must.  Get the dust of Gore ... and put him with Dean.  Those two on stage screaming together is a must ... gotta have that.

I almost forgot, don’t forget the HOLLYWOOD MOONBATS ...

That’s a winning program ... follow that, and your in White House.

NOT !!!!

lol .... lmao ...

Posted by tina1 on Jan 13, 2006 at 11:12 PM

Ben Laden wasn’t so bad when regan backed him up against the russians, saddam was’nt so bad when we back him up against iran, iran was’nt so bad when the shaw was are buddy.
read some history and you see why the middle east hates us.
wait for the rebublicans get hammered this year with the jack abramoff scandal. Ask about tom delay’s road to the white house is turing out.
five people directly linked to the scandal so far are Republicans.
The central figure is Abramoff, who once volunteered for Ronald Reagan’s campaign, was national chairman of the College Republicans and was once described by Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, as “one of my closest and dearest friends.”
The only other person to plead guilty to any charges so far is Michael Scanlon, an Abramoff partner and a former aide to DeLay, the former House Republican leader who’s been indicted in Texas on a separate charge of conspiring to evade state campaign finance laws.
A third person has been indicted: David Safavian, a former chief of staff of the General Services Administration in the Bush administration who’s accused of making false statements to investigators about his dealings with Abramoff.

And two were implicated in Abramoff’s plea bargain: Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, identified as “Representative A,” and Tony Rudy, a former top aide to DeLay identified as “Staffer A.” This is a good way to win the white house but let’s blame the liberals first.

Posted by brian28 on Jan 14, 2006 at 1:29 AM

National Democratic Chairman Howard Dean deny that any Democrats took money from Jack Abramoff.But I checked it out and, guess what? Dean was right. Although both Democrats and Republicans did, in fact, receive money from Abramoff’s clients, only Republicans received personal donations from Abramoff himself.Yet some journalists, particularly in the shorthand of television news, have given a different impression, framing Abramoff’s donations as more bipartisan than they really were. So Dean was ready when veteran CNN newsman Wolf Blitzer asked him: “Should Democrats who took money from Jack Abramoff ... give that money to charity or give it back?”

“There are no Democrats who took money from Jack Abramoff,” Dean answered. “Not one. Not one single Democrat. ... There is no evidence that Jack Abramoff ever gave any Democrat any money and we’ve looked through all those FEC [Federal Election Commission] reports to make sure that’s true.”

He’s right, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which keeps track of such things. Their analysis of election commission records shows that Democrats received about a third of the $4.2 million donated between 1998 and 2005 by tribes that had hired Abramoff to represent them in Washington, but none from Abramoff’s own wallet. but I am sure the neo-cons will make sure this info does’nt get out Especially on the no spin zone.

Posted by brian28 on Jan 14, 2006 at 2:23 AM

OK, tina1, I’ll take the bait.

Since the whole deal is about winning, about being winners, about attaining the prize, and since the Reps were able to edge out the blathering-and-flaccid Dems and the tiny-minority Naderites…

...congrats! Y’all have the gold cup, the White House, the majority share in Congress.

And since then?

As I’ve done before, I borrow from GOP hero Ronald Reagan. “Are you better off now than you were four years ago” he said while on the campaign trail. So I paraphrase to you, “Are you better off since George Bush took office?”

Who exactly can say “Yes!” to that question unequivocally and enthusiastically? Can you? Can your friends and family members? Can your neighbors and co-workers? Can the men and women in uniform? Can the Iraqis? Can even the Afghanis?

Those specific few Afghanis who literally have nothing left to fear from the insane Taliban, I’ll provisionally grant you. But how ‘bout beyond that tiny number?

Now don’t get all theoretical on me. No taking refuge in partisan hometown rah-rah. No reflexive repetition of the insults against liberals we all could hear on talk radio. Keep it down and dirty.

What exactly has improved for the people of the United States of America since Mr Bush took office?

Please keep it simple so I can get my deluded liberal head around it. Just spell it out in materialistic terms without any airy-fairy philosophizing.

For my part, I submit that it’s entirely too soon to predict whether the people of Iraq will in time judge themselves as being better off once the coalition forces bail out. I say that because it is unclear what kind of rulers will take the Iraqi throne under American auspices, once all the current madness shakes itself out. Neither you nor I know that answer, we’re stuck with predictions based on insufficient data. I am and you are as well. We’ll simply have to see whether or not another bunch of torturers replaces the ones we kicked out.

Saddam was a murderous prick, a megalomaniacal enjoyer of other people’s torments, everyone knows that. Everyone also knows how he was able to build up the 4th biggest military on Earth prior to Gulf War #1. How flamingly disgusted I have been that my taxes helped the mf’r to feather his blood-soaked nest!!

Does saying this mean I hate America?? It does not. When Bush said the entire world had to choose, “You’re either with us or against us!”, he forgot that American citizens can give him a resounding thumbs-down, even after he got re-elected, and still be true to what America has always stood for.

We’re not at a goddamn football game, choosing which team to root for.

I reject with all energy the idea that disdain and frustration with a sitting president’s policies equals anti-Americanism. Sorry but that’s just bullshit. I am perfectly able to respond skeptically and critically to a war policy with a hazy, falsely promoted justification AND a poorly planned, ill-prepared strategy AND a shoestring-budgeted, high-risk tactical regimen AND a secretive, media-bullying approach to public information AND a sheer lack of forethought about the impact of that policy upon the people living in the war theater WHILE STILL believing that America’s past victories over fascism and communism are to the benefit of the world…

...even if it is currently misled and deluded on the leadership front. In my arrogant, America-loving opinion.

You see, my countryman, I’m encouraged by my nation’s history and founding philosophy to evaluate a president’s actions in exactly this way. It’s my right and responsibility.

Haven’t you never been angry at someone you loved because they were being so fucking stupid at the moment?

(I’ll probably end up getting my emails monitored, but I’ll deal with that as it comes.)

So tina1, who is unequivocally better off now compared to back in the year 2000? Dyin’ to know…

Posted by Kuya on Jan 14, 2006 at 9:43 AM

Kuya,

Ya’ll are great!!

You too Rabit!!

I am still here, though most of the time laughing.

Look, I do not want the GOP to coutinue this absolute grab at power, but Tina is right about them continuing to win elections when certain elements of the left ( the leading voices mainly ) continue with thier propaganda.

Now to Kuma’s questions. 
1) I can say unequivocally and enthusiastically Yes.  In 1999 I fathered a child at the age of twenty-one.  I was climbing trees and not making enough money for health insurance. So we had to use Medicaid.  Getting Medicaid and keeping it, while we needed it, was a royal pain in the arse.  Today I am married to my son’s mother and a Biomedical Production Supervisor without college degree, because I busted my arse.  And we hope to be buying a house within a couple of years.

I know this is not the case for some, but it points out how you sound ridiculus when stating, ” Who exactly can say ‘Yes!’!”

2)

Posted by think4yourself on Jan 14, 2006 at 10:44 AM

2)I have a lot of family and friends that are doing much better and some that are doing worse.  I think thats always the case though.

3) In 1999 if I looked out my bedroom window I would have seen woods.  Today someone bought the land and built a house and has some horses.  As for co-workers those that I have seen do worse, have done so because of thier actions.  And where I am currently, since 1999 over 15 people have been promoted with a staff generally around thirty.

4)The men and women of uniform, as far as I can tell love their job and their President.  As for doing better I will admit they are in more danger today than in 1999, BUT if Gore was elected and 9/11 happened we would still be there.  And I think having boots on the ground is a million times better than just bombing from 30,000 feet the way Clinton handled business.

5) Can the Iraqis, while it is true most want us to leave the overwheling majority are and think they are better off!!

6/7) Let me start by reprinting Kuya again,

“Can even the Afghanis?........Those specific few Afghanis who literally have nothing left to fear from the insane Taliban, I

Posted by think4yourself on Jan 14, 2006 at 11:07 AM

I have noticed the air is more foul than any I’ve ever breathed.

I have asthma now.

I’ve also noticed people with clearly disturbed psyches ranting on endlessly about “liberals” in a manner so inconsistent with the surrounding discussion for so long, that it appears to be symptomatic of mental illness.

As everyone but tina1 has probably noticed, no one here is “crying” or “whining” about anything.

I’m not laughing at tina1 anymore, there is something seriously wrong with this person. She rants on and on about “the liberals” under her bed.  I’m wondering if her parents or guardians know that she’s online. Whatever her chronological age is, her emotional age is around three and her maniacal little lol’s are evidence of a twisted little mind.

Her posts belong in the looney bin.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 14, 2006 at 11:56 AM

Not quite as good as seeing and hearing Sgt. Mark Seavey deliver his message, but still worthwhile.
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Mudville Gazette has the details on an Army soldier who confronted Dem Reps. John Murtha and Jim Moran at a town hall meeting in Arlington, Va. Greyhawk transcribed the confrontation:

Free speech from those who make it possible.
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“Yes sir my name is Mark Seavey and I just want to thank you for coming up here. Until about a month ago I was Sgt Mark Seavey infantry squad leader, I returned from Afghanistan. My question to you, (applause)

“Like yourself I dropped out of college two years ago to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and I went and I came back. If I didn’t have a herniated disk now I would volunteer to go to Iraq in a second with my troops, three of which have already volunteered to go to Iraq. I keep hearing you say how you talk to the troops and the troops are demoralized, and I really resent that characterization. (applause) The morale of the troops that I talk to is phenomenal, which is why my troops are volunteering to go back, despite the hardships they had to endure in Afghanistan.

“And Congressman Moran, 200 of your constituents just returned from Afghanistan. We never got a letter from you; we never got a visit from you. You didn’t come to our homecoming. The only thing we got from any of our elected officials was one letter from the governor of this state thanking us for our service in Iraq, when we were in Afghanistan. That’s reprehensible. I don’t know who you two are talking to but the morale of the troops is very high.”

Moran - who is one of the few congressmen supporting Charlie Rangel’s call to restore the draft - responded quickly: “That wasn’t in the form of a question, it was in the form of a statement. But, uhh… let’s go over here.” And he took the next question.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/004016.html

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 14, 2006 at 5:42 PM

Abramoff is hardly the only connection to bribery in D.C. As for “no Democrats”

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 14, 2006 at 5:51 PM

I don’t think liberals should bring up CORRUPTION ... but since you brought it up I guess we should look at it.

This is only part of what happened in East St. Louis during the 2004 election.  In total .... 16 DEMOCRATS have been found GUILTY.  We aren’t talking indicted, we are talking CONVICTED ... GUILTY.

16 Democrats have been either plead guilty or have been found guilty in East St. Louis ....  and the LIBERAL MEDIA DOESN’T give much coverage on this.  Can you imagine if these were 16 Republicans ... It would be on the front page of the NY Times every day for the next year.

(March 2005)  >>  5 DEMOCRATS INDICTED FOR VOTE FRAUD

Five East St. Louis Democrats were charged in a scheme to buy votes in November’s election in a federal indictment unsealed Wednesday.  An undetermined number of voters were paid $5 or $10 to cast a Democratic ballot in the Nov. 2 election, court records said. The money allegedly came from the St. Clair County Democratic Committee.  Federal prosecutors charged four Democratic committeemen and one precinct worker, a day after three other committeemen and a precinct worker pleaded guilty to related vote-buying charges in federal court.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=608576&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

(June 2005)  >>  5 DEMOCRATS WERE CONVICTED OF VOTE FRAUD

Convicted of conspiracy and vote fraud and facing five years on each count were:

* Kelvin Ellis, a Democratic precinct committeeman and former East St. Louis city government department head who served a federal prison term for extortion in the early 1990s.

* Yvette Johnson, secretary to the city Democratic organization.

* Democratic precinct committeemen Sheila Thomas and Jesse Lewis.

http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/12021188.htm

HERE ARE MORE LINKS ON THIS STORY:

Since the November elections 16 individuals in the St. Louis area have been convicted of voter fraud or election violations.   

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/07/st-louis-democratic-convictions-are.html

Guilty:   

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/06/guilty-verdict-in-esl-voter-fraud.html

East St. Louis Democrat Chairman Convicted of Vote Fraud:

http://www.radiobs.net/thebluestateconservatives/archives/2005/06/east_st_louis_d.html

Posted by tina1 on Jan 14, 2006 at 11:39 PM

2 DEMOCRATS IN FEDERAL PRISON and another INDICTED ...

(1)  Edwin Edwards - Louisiana Governor (DEMOCRAT)
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/16/eveningnews/main578506.shtml

>>  Guilty on bribery and corruption charges

>>  Sentence:  10 years in Federal Prison

>>  Currently at Oakdale Federal Correctional Complex in Oakdale, LA.  (scheduled release date is July 6, 2011)

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(2)  James Traficant - Ohio Congressman (DEMOCRAT)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21296-2002Jul30

>>  Guilty on taking bribes, filing false tax returns, racketeering

>>  Sentence:  8 years in Federal Prison

>>  Currently at Rochester Federal Prison Medical Center in Rochester, MN (scheduled release date is August 10, 2009)

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=Traficant&Middle;=&FirstName=James+&Race=U&Sex=U&Age;=&x=24&y=21

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And here is another former DEMOCRAT Governor that was indicted last Oct.
 
(Oct 2005)  EX-ALABAMA GOVERNOR INDICTED IN CONSPIRACY

Former Democrat Gov. Donald Siegelman was charged yesterday in a “widespread racketeering conspiracy” that includes accusations he took a bribe from former hospital executive Richard Scrushy for a key state appointment.  Also indicted on federal charges were two members of Mr. Siegelman’s administration and Mr. Scrushy, the former head of the HealthSouth medical-services company.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051026-111835-6195r.htm

***  I have more ... many more ... ***

QUESTION:  Isn’t it kind of strange that the liberal media never talks about Democrats that are currently sitting in FEDERAL PRISON for bribery, corruption and kickbacks ... Why is that? Why doesn’t the media talk about this?

PS - Like I said, if your a liberal, you don’t want to bring up CORRUPTION.  Because if you do, I will make you look stupid.

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 1:06 AM

Another DEMOCRAT serves Federal Prison Time

(April 1999)  Mark B. Jimenez, Democratic fund-raiser indicted

The Justice Department Campaign Finance Task Force today announced a forty-seven count indictment against Democratic fund-raiser Mark B. Jimenez for conspiracy, mail fraud, tax evasion, false statements, and the making and concealing of illegal conduit contributions to a number of Democratic campaigns. Jimenez had previously been charged in a seventeen count indictment in Washington, D.C. last September. Those charges are incorporated into the new indictment.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1999/April/137crm.htm

+++++++++++

(August 2003)  Mark B. Jimenez, former Democratic fund-raiser PLEADS GUILTY

Mark B. Jimenez, 55, former Democratic fund-raiser pleaded GUILTY to two counts of tax evasion and one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/August/03_crm_439.htm

+++++++++++

(November 2003)  Mark B. Jimenez, former Democratic fund-raiser SENTENCED TO 27 MONTHS

Jimenez, 55, was sentenced this morning by the Honorable District Judge Patricia Sietz of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, Miami Division. In addition to the prison term, Jimenez was ordered to pay $1.2 million in restitution.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/November/03_crm_616.htm

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 2:10 AM

I keep hearing from liberals that Bush and Cheney are “crooks” and that all of their friends are “criminals”.  This inspired me to do a little research on Billy Clinton .... and I was amazed.

Here is a list of over 130 friends of Clinton that are true “criminals” ... 10 of them fled the country.  That’s correct, 10 friends of Bill Clinton fled the country because they were either INDICTED or being investigated by the FBI. 

Now, have any of Bush’s friends had to flee the USA?  the answer would be NO, NONE, ZERO, NADA

Bush’s friends that fled the country > 0, none

Clinton’s friends that fled the country > 10, ten

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/conv.html

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 2:49 AM

yes and now it’s time for the rebulicans to do jail time. We can go back in time and name all the crooks in government for the pass 100 years, but we are talking about this year. How are the neo-cons going to spin their way out of it.
You think bush had a bad year in 2005 wait for 2006.
Make a list of all the crooks in the regan administration I know it’s hard to because he was rebublican.
AS far are you better off, 38 million americans are working two jobs and broke, they are called by bush the working poor, 44 million americans do not have health insurance.
WE are spending 1.3 billon a week in iraq. Bush has borrowed more money from foriegn countries than all 42 presidents put together. China,N.korea,iran are building arms for the next war and are gonig unchecked, what’s bush going to do make more sanctions.
The United States currently owes China over $650 BILLION in debt. That number is expected to grow to over $1 Trillion during the next 2 years. How is this possible? In order to pay for its two recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Bush administration has been forced to loan money from, you guessed it, China. Bush doesn’t even care about economic policy. He only cares about oil. Meanwhile Americans are losing their jobs and China is becoming rich.

Posted by brian28 on Jan 15, 2006 at 7:21 AM

it is funny only tina1 supports bush on this site. Where are all the bush supporters? I guess tina1 like bush have the same approval ratings.

Posted by brian28 on Jan 15, 2006 at 7:26 AM

Hey Brian28,

I guess you missed this news from 3 days ago.  Looks like we just had a SURPLUS in December 2005.

< U.S. Budget for December shows surplus >

Washington - The federal government posted the first budget surplus for December in three years as corporate tax payments hit an all-time high, helping offset a record level for spending, the Treasury Department reported Thursday.

The department said in its monthly budget report that government receipts surpassed spending by $10.98 billion last month. A year ago, the government ran a deficit of $2.85 billion in December.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1137151809148090.xml&coll=2

Also, our unemployment is 4.9% ....

Do you know what the unemployment rate is in FRANCE?  10% ... France’s unemployment rate is double ours.  Maybe you should move to France.  lol ... lmao ...

In fact, lets look France’s unemployment rate since 1999 >>>>  http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=fr&v=74

What about BOEING ... I guess you missed this story also.

2005 a record-breaking year for Boeing sales

Orders likely to exceed those of Airbus for first time since 2000

By JAMES WALLACE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER

The Boeing Co. sold more than 1,000 jetliners in 2005.

About $112 billion worth of planes.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/254709_boeingorders06.html?source=mypi

QUESTION for Brian:  What is like to wake up everyday, thinking life is horrible, the USA is horrible ??

How do you do it? 

How do go on ... day after day ... being so bitter, so resentful, full of so much anger? 

I’m glad I’m not you and I’m glad I don’t know you.  I don’t know anyone that is negative like you and your liberals.

too funny ....

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 8:11 AM

Hello think4yourself,

It’s good that your life is better now than in 1999. From what you wrote, I’m not sure Bush or his group get much credit, sounds like you made some personal and professional decisions that played out well for you. However, if you’d like to give his administration some credit for part of that (maybe thinking they stayed out of your way more than another administration would have), it is up to you.

You’re perfectly correct about females in Afghanistan having all kinds of ways better now that the Taliban are out of power, educationally and otherwise. My phrasing of “tiny” leaves them out wrongly. I would not say that the country is pacified or that peace and security reign, there are still Taliban fighters who are a threat in areas far from Kabul, but where there is a modicum of security, women and girls are better off.

Actually, I did back the attack upon Afghanistan. Having lived in that region when the Taliban were battling for power in the mid 90s, I got an idea of what they were all about and was and am glad they’re no longer calling the shots.

I’ve said this before in these pages, though I didn’t make it clear above, so it may not be known to you.

Now, Iraq, the centerpiece of the Bush presidency. That’s another story. In fact, I think that diverting resources to Iraq for two wars at once was tactically and strategically foolish. In fact, it was idiotic. It made the accomplishing of both missions harder, more expensive, more deadly, less supportable worldwide, and more damaging to American credibility. The real war against terror was in Afghanistan.

I believe that the US has been damaged by the Bush centerpiece policy, the single thing he’ll be remembered for most, even long after he’s out of office, even after he’s dead.

Our uniformed personnel are, as you said, in more danger. Everywhere they set foot. Our stature and level of respectability in the world are at the lowest point since before WW1. Our rhetoric about upholding human rights draws continued derision, and is seen more and more as either a bad joke or outright hypocrisy. Suspected enemies and criminals are put beyond due process. Our allies respond to us with suspicion and aversion (so unreasonable… what are a few secret prisons between old friends…). Jihadists, far from being discouraged as they might have been had the job in Afghanistan been followed up, are in the midst of being raised and recruited, with no shortage of willing candidates. And the resources that might have gone to stabilizing and basically cleaning up our mess in Afghanistan, thereby further benefitting Afghani females as well as everyone there, continue to shrink in availability but to be spent on the Iraqi quagmire.

As for stateside, the hyper-rich get the gift of tax cuts while schools and disaster response agencies go begging. The public is more and more polarized, both in relation to the Iraq war and culturally. Scandles mount (with the Abramoff Show still in Act One). The incarceration rate per capita resembles that of a one-party dictatorship. And the level to which America is financially beholden to foreign countries (how many would love to help scuttle us?) continues to mount.

It’s good your life has taken an upward path since 1999. Considering the Bush war policy, tax program, social/cultural agenda, domestic legislative plan, and approach to foreign relations, I guess you’ve been one of the lucky few.

If you think my questions and statements are ridiculous, well comrade, I can live with it. You mention yourself the power grab of Bush’s party. Even you must have misgivings, beyond that one citation of doubt. There’s plenty of grounds for such. I trust you will continue to think for yourself; it’s exactly what I’ve been doing, all this time.

Posted by Kuya on Jan 15, 2006 at 9:21 AM

Like I said you can spin this anyway you want. You are the only one supporting bush, you are in the minority, that is why you have to fight so hard to make your point. The american people are not buying your b.s. any more look at the poll numbers.
Sunday January 15, 2006—Forty-five (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove
if the election for Congress were held
today, more than two in five (43%) adults would vote for the Democratic
candidate, while one-third (34%) would vote for the Republican candidate, 14
percent would vote for someone else, and nine percent are undecided.
adults still believe the country has gotten off on the wrong track (54% think
the country has gotten off on the wrong track, while 33% say things are going in the right direction.
you will believe anything bush says, hitler used people like you when he rose to power. When dems get back in power and you don’t agree with what they say, remember if you say anything bad against them you will be hating the U.S.A.

Posted by brian28 on Jan 15, 2006 at 9:35 AM

jeez…do you guys always have to denegrate the discussion to your petty little hang-ups?  Who’s discussing the article?  I am falling prey to my own observation?

Ahem.  The soldiers of Iraq rightfully do not care about the people they are harrassing and killing, just as our soldiers of the past didn’t care when they killing Johnny Rebs, or Injuns; why the British and Dutch could enslave Africans; why the Egyptians cared not for Semitic types; why homo sapiens could wipe out Neanderthals who lived by the good spots of the river.  Land grab.  Territory.  We’re only human…

Stop getting all political about it.  It’s clouding your instincts. Or are the Tina1’s of the world your Iraqis?  They’ve taken over YOUR country!  C’mon, admit it, don’t you want to see Cheney and Bush standing naked on a box with a bag over their heads? 

Evolve or die.  The doom waits for us all.

P.S. Tina1 - I don’t like you, either.

Posted by rocco on Jan 15, 2006 at 9:39 AM

Kuya said,

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 15, 2006 at 10:31 AM

I’ll tell you what tina1 is to me rocco. He, she, or it represents where the left has gone very wrong. If I may generalize about the left being mostly individuals who support individualism and liberty, and are prone to tolerance.

Too much tolerance. Rather than being democratic and exercising democracy, the left tends to take tolerance to new and unnatural limits.

“The left” (which, as I already stated is a generalization) has tolerated antisocial behavior to the degree that if people on the far right (another generalization) were to start literally killing people on the left, just for being “liberal”, then the left would be wiser to figure out why the hell they thought that being tolerant of antisocial behavior was a sound practice, or why they thought it was better to try to reason with antisocial behavior and to attempt to fix it with love, instead of establishing reasonable social norms and limits and collectively rejecting antisocial behavior.

There is a difference between tolerating weakness and indulging abuse. I would like for my fellow “liberals” to think about this instead of going into some knee jerk flowers for shit routine, because indulging abuse is not really that much better than being abusive.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 15, 2006 at 12:49 PM

Hey Rocco,

Look at what the Muslims have done to France (not that I care about France).

France said ... “come on in .. all Muslims are welcome in France” ... “we are a peaceful society”. 

That plan worked well ... especially when the Muslims rioted for almost 3 weeks, burning down everything in sight, 9000 cars got torched.  lol ...

I did have to laugh, if anyone deserved that, it was France.  That was classic.  Could you imagine if we had a riot here in the U.S. that lasted 3 weeks. 

Ya ... just ask France how that Liberalism worked out for them ... nothing like having 10-11% unemployment. 

Maybe you liberals should just move to France ... ya, that’s the ticket.  You, the French, Muslims and a 11% unemployment rate. 

Savage is right ... “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 4:37 PM

I forgot this ...

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003801.htm

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 5:44 PM

Is anyone else here willing to take the giant “liberal” leap of “censoring” hate speech?

Is there any reason why this right wing spam-fest must be tolerated?

the Muslims rioted for almost 3 weeks, burning down everything in sight, 9000 cars got torched.  lol ...

Yeah. That’s real funny, isn’t it?

If “liberals” can’t stand up to this disgusting shit pile of posts
because of fear of being intolerant of antisocial posts, then being victims is a “liberal” calling.

I move to ask this magazine to block tina1 and any and all partisan hate speech. If a person cannot rise above their propaganda, to communicate with others, especially when their posts are primarily insults to most of the rest of the participants in a forum, then what sense does it make to give such people a forum? They can host their own hate forums, can they not?

If everyone here thinks that “tolerance” and appearances are so much more important in a public forum than basic rules that any self-respecting adult would expect in just about any other space, then I’ll leave you to your “free speech” hair shirts, and strike out in search of people who are willing to take a stand against abusers.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 15, 2006 at 6:05 PM

Hey wileywitch ....

It’s too fun to get out of you liberals ... liberals are very predictable.

But, I think it’s only fair for the everyone to see your post to me on another thread.

++++++++++++++++++

HERE IS WHAT wileywitch SAID TO ME:

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/discuss/2452/

You Republicans are never talking to anyone in particular, you just spout empty rants about the stereotypes you make up. It

Posted by tina1 on Jan 15, 2006 at 6:26 PM

Hey tina1…

What’s the big deal?

Everything she said about you and your sidekick neocon hacks is true.

You spout empty rants about stereotypes…

You definitely talk straight out of your assholes…

The part about being morons is right on the money…

Ditto with the useless sycophantic twits…

Strongly agree about the dumb ass retarded dipshits and the drop of piss in a bucket of shit…

And I doubt that anyone would disagree that you’re a bunch of antisocial assholes in love with the smell of your own shit.

I’m sure that most of us here would agree that dubya was understating the situation, with perhaps the possible exception of one missing, minor observation:

You’re a putz.

That’s the part of the foreskin that’s discarded after the circumcision.

lol, Dumbo.

Posted by Major Major on Jan 15, 2006 at 9:49 PM

For anyone who hasn’t seen twenty or thirty of tina1 one’s posts, let me point out something.

The post she’s referring to was an attempt to hold up the mirror of reality for her.  She either saw herself in it, or didn’t. I don’t care.

I wrote a particularly vulgar post, because I was only going to do it once—-not twenty or thirty times with no regard for prior posts.

I’m going to do a little experiment. See you in a bit.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 15, 2006 at 10:13 PM

You niggers are something else ... you just can

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 15, 2006 at 10:16 PM

The “whatever dude” estrangement from the bizarre reality of America’s unjustified destruction of Iraqi culture and society is consistent with the degree of “detachment” bush types display to whats going on in the rest of the world.  South America is disassociating itself from everything bush, Asia is positioning itself to take over after the bush fallout, Africa is just trying to ride out the storm while Europeans pray they aren’t sucked into the black hole America’s bunker bombs created in the Middle East.  American military personnel know they’re on the wrong side of history but they act like they’re in denial, just like bush people act like nobody knows they’re frauds.

Posted by theloneous on Jan 15, 2006 at 11:14 PM

tina1 - I did move to Europe.  It rocked.  But my goddamn visa ran out, so now I’m back with you rednecks.  Home of the brave…(a single tear).  And some parts of Italy has 20% unemployment, but when I got in a car wreck, my hospital stay was free.  Zero. Niente.  From your evident lack of formal education, I assume you don’t make a lot of money, so that might be an appealing concept to you.

wileywitch - hm.  I can’t tell if I agree with you or not on this one (which is driving me crazy).  For the sake of being a prick, I’ll take the opposing side. For discussionary structure, let’s keep the concepts of left and right very formal - straight to its origin of the French Revolution (that’s right, tina1, the French).  Those on the left of the congress were for democracy, those on the right were for monarchy.

tina1 makes up a sizeable chunk of the 300 million Americans in many backwater states and working-class burroughs.  When polled, even blacks and Latinos are sadly rightist (in the above sense) on many issues - though they usually have the good sense to know that the Republican Man is out for their hides and vote otherwise.  So, ironically, the masses have chosen to give up popular rule, in a way.  I don’t see how the left can stop such ignorance on a massive scale.  And the schools ain’t gettin’ any sharper…Harvard is considered the best school in the country!!! Harvard!!! Ack.  Anyway, I see that less as a ‘failure’ of those for democracy that nature taking its course.  Did our Founding Fathers really expect to spawn such cretins?  If they did, they should have written in an ‘Enlightened Despot’ codicil. 

This is a familiar historical trend of world leaders: I think some hormone must be released in humans once they’re the Alpha, even on an abstract and global scale, that fosters arrogance and disregard for others of the pack.  The others usually get sick of this, and whip the hell out of the Alpha after a while. 

Sooner or later the barbarians sack Rome.  We seem to forget that poverty toughens and angers others to the point of awful violence.  We could wage war against them and their resources, or we could learn from history and science and philosophy and…wow, that IS good Kool-aid!  I can see the floor moving…

Posted by rocco on Jan 16, 2006 at 11:25 AM

Last point: I don’t wish to ban tina1 from this site (my home, yes).  I think it’s instructive to see just how the gears of her little mind works.  It’s like studying a clear glass wind-up doll.  I want to know exactly how those crude mental gears lock themselves into place for my own scientific observations.

If we detach ourselves from the majority of this country - illiterate reactionary racist sexist anti-gay fools (who believe in that some Guy in the clouds that loves them and created them from a rib) - just because they’re offensive, we will never learn anything from them.  Not that they have much in the way to teach per se, but knowledge can always be extracted from anything.  Like watching turtles. 

Hell, I’m offended every day.  My waking consciouness is a barrage of offense, a steady stream of suburban horror - idiot drivers, menthol smokers, fat little children with tight ugly clothing, lies in the news, prescription drug ads.  If only I could censor all that (‘If only Rome had but one neck!’ cried Caligula.)

2 types of people: those who want the world to adapt to them, and those who adapt to the world.  I wrote it before, I’ll write it again.  Evolve or die, kiddies.  Is it warm in here or is it just me?

Posted by rocco on Jan 16, 2006 at 1:27 PM

You’re right about how the alpha male and testerone works, rocco—-Ofiginally it—-the most famous experiment supporting the idea that alpha males were alpha males because they had more testerone to begin with, was conducted by carrying out testesterone tests only after the alpha males won their position. Then somebody had the insight to test the testerone levels of all the males, before the big alpha male parade and again afterward. 

There is no direct correlation between the amount of testerone an animal has before the exhibition (or, in this case, the election). The male that “wins”, wins because all the other monkeys cowered and stepped back when he roared. After the alpha male is chosen by the group, his testerone level goes up, and the testerone levels of the others drops.

Bullies being bullies, and others being bullied is a communal choice, however unconscious it may be.

I think we’re dealing with serious sociopathy, and that our ‘leaders’ never cared about others. Now, they have a large budget, and a lot of foot soldiers to help make them be what they’ve always been—-tyrants.

Thanks for your consideration, rocco.  I will use your left/right delineation.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 16, 2006 at 1:41 PM

Rep. Murtha (D-PA) & Rep. Moran (D-VA) Town Hall Meeting
Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) attends a Town Hall meeting in Arlington, VA, hosted by Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA). Rep. Murtha discusses his controversial call for the redeployment of U.S. troops in Iraq.

This is on C-span. Only one troop had anything nice to say about our involvement in Iraq.

There are many reasons why recruitment is difficult now. The following post

not a happy camper

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 16, 2006 at 1:48 PM

Don’t thank me, thank the French.  Vive la France! (singing Marseillaise, eating Gruyere, adjusting cravate)

Posted by rocco on Jan 16, 2006 at 2:09 PM

<blockquote>
Last point: I don

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 16, 2006 at 2:52 PM

Gruyere cheese is great. Melted on bread with French Onion Soup. Mmmm good.

Vive la France, indeed.

But the cheese itself is Swiss in origin although there is some dispute about it with the French.  Gruyere Cheese is named for the town of the same name in Switzerland.

Posted by David in Canada on Jan 16, 2006 at 2:59 PM

Stinky Pete - I trust no one. But: assuming you are correct that tina1 ‘has no such standards’ - and by this I guess you mean values of freedom and liberty afforded to all - it would be foolhardy to mimic those methods.  Systems which prize efficiency over values tend to destroy the whole - thus being wholly inefficient. 

So let the retard babble.  She’s fairly harmless, even entertaining.  Don’t most good stories have a villain?  And isn’t entertainment why we’re here?  Does anyone honestly believe they’re affecting world policy on this tread?  From the reaction that trolls like tina1 normally get, I think they’re fulfilling a symbiotic need for most people here. 

I only fear Rabbit.  He must be stopped somehow.

Posted by rocco on Jan 16, 2006 at 3:26 PM

“...some controversy existed whether French cheeses of a similar nature could also be labeled Gruy

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 16, 2006 at 3:27 PM

A billion French cheeses and I pick a disputed Swiss.  Next time I’ll cross-reference my jokes better.

Posted by rocco on Jan 16, 2006 at 3:30 PM

I am constantly amazed that people respond to obvious freepers like tina1 over and over again. I made my one initial response to an insult and that was enough for me. Ignore him (tina1 is not a woman, anymore than Ann Coulter is).

Or maybe some of you think you will eventually convert him to reason and intelligence. There is not a chance.

Keep this is mind: Trying to teach a pig to sing is a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

Move on to intelligent discussion between those of us who matter.

Posted by opeluboy on Jan 16, 2006 at 3:46 PM

whew… I have not laughed so hard in quite some time.

Entertainment is a good part of why we are here, maybe the best part.

<i>From the reaction that trolls like tina1 normally get, I think they

Posted by David in Canada on Jan 16, 2006 at 4:14 PM

by this I guess you mean values of freedom and liberty afforded to all

Yep, that’s what I meant.

it would be foolhardy to mimic those methods

I’m not suggesting that we all go out to the Free Republic website and spew our disdain for their ways. I was merely suggesting that Wiley may have a point because when we signed on to this board, we agreed not to be hateful. Although I believe strongly in freedom of speech, I also believe that laws and regulations are a necessity of civilization.

Yes, I’ll admit that her rants can be entertaining and that they can be ignored when they go over the top as one poster pointed out, but sometimes it gets old. I work on a forum where such posts as hers are not allowed and there still is plenty of entertainment value to go around.

On the flip side, I usaully don’t make a habit of responding to trolls or “freepers” before banning (actaully, it’s called a “bozo” function on my forum), because doing so usually feeds the pathology of their little “mental disorder.” I only enforce the rules as they are layed out on the “sign up” page. Sometimes, just sometimes, I afford a warning to those posters who seem to have forgotten the rules for the duration of a post.

I only fear Rabbit.  He must be stopped somehow.

Oh, yes. The waskewy wabbit! The Aussie and his posse! Nope, I think there is no way to stop the furry fellow.

Or maybe some of you think you will eventually convert him to reason and intelligence. There is not a chance

I actually agree with this. No amount of facts or reason will stop them from spewing their hate. They seem to have no cause = effect reasoning and no discernable skills besides the skill to try and spread their disease and hate. But maybe it could be healthy to rip apart their faulty logic since we certainly can’t make places like Fox News accountable for theirs. Live with it and/or ignore it? I guess it’s a matter of personal choice. Personally, I’d rather not feed the troll.

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 16, 2006 at 6:13 PM

Hello whattheheck,

I belatedly reply to: “There is only one war. It is not against other nations, but is against a bunch of religious wackos (or at least religious people incited by wackos).  Iraq and Afghanistan, like the whole middle east were arbitrarily divided into

Posted by Kuya on Jan 16, 2006 at 10:10 PM

(continuing)

Can it all be laid at the feet of “crap intel”? If so, it effectively meant that the Bush team chose to throw punches while blind. That seems to me to be a horrifyingly regretable condition, not a condition that makes the Iraq war more justifiable.

scorp (if he still visits here) will remind me that the Iraq Liberation Act came down during the Clinton admin, codifying the intent to depose Saddam. True, but that fact doesn’t change the chain of decisions made by the Bush team, nor the “facts” used to support those decisions, nor the content of the propaganda efforts used to gain Congressional approval.

I say “two wars” because the nature of the enemy is different in each, as was the advertised justification, as were the stated intentions underlying the separate invasions.

You do have a point about a declaration of war by Congress, rather than presidential decision, being the proper mechanism. There is a good reason why that mechanism was included in the Constitution, removing (so it was thought) the ability for one leader to unilaterally take the country to war. However, it wouldn’t improve the value of the stated justifications, which still would not have stood the test of scrutiny even if a Congressional declaration had been made.

However, there’s not much reason to think that Bush is allergic to unilateralism, whether in regards to domestic partners of his in government nor in regards to allies abroad. Quite the contrary. Nor is there reason to think that he is overly attached to Constitutional propriety as a delimiter of his decision-making process. He’s apparently willing to interpret it in a way that allows him to virtually ignore it.

There’s also increasingly little reason to have confidence in America’s intelligence organizations, which are obviously one of two things: hopelessly inept or in someone’s pocket. Neither option inspires much confidence in me, in fact given the realities of the last 3 years, I would be suspicious of virtually anything they said.

It’s a little difficult to, in effect, accept the equivalent of, “Ooopsy, oh shit, we got it wrong, sorry about that!” when we’re talking about taking the country to war. Call me a stickler for detail, but is it entirely unreasonable to expect a drastic decision like that to be based on information that is at least largely factual?

Unless, of course, the decision has already been made and the “information” is simply backfill?

Posted by Kuya on Jan 16, 2006 at 10:10 PM

Actually, it’s a bit of a moot point; maybe not needing two posts’ worth of address by me. Certainly most minds have long been made up in relation to the issue. The milk is spilt, and at this point the best America can do is try to apply its energies toward cleaning up the mess. If it’s possible at all for them to clean up a damn thing rather than make it worse, which is itself highly debatable.

Posted by Kuya on Jan 16, 2006 at 10:18 PM

Good points Stinky Pete.

Like it says .. Please be respectful in your comments .. and I have said the same, many ways and many times.

Personally, I like trolls . Sick, huh? But like Rocco says we need the villains and I find them fascinating too. It is exciting when they come out from under the bridge.

Posted by David in Canada on Jan 16, 2006 at 10:32 PM

He really does, Stinky Pete—-all the time, he says, be nice and be respectful. David loves trolls the way Jesus loved tax collectors. There was probably more comic relief among tax collectors than there is among trolls, but David is Canadian (hence the “in Canada” part).  Canada is a hotbed of niceness and troll tolerance.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 16, 2006 at 10:59 PM

Did anyone see Al Gore today?  He snapped ... again.  It was great, not as good as his “betrayed America” rant, but still funny.

With Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, Schumer and the likes of Michael Moore and some of you on this board ... I really not worried at about the 06’ mid-terms or the 08’ election.

That is .. if you libs keep talking.  I don’t think you really realize how much you help the GOP. 

By the way ... who will the Dems put up for the 08’ race?  Hillary ... maybe Kerry again.  Will Kucinich and Sharpton be in the mix again? 

Well, whomever it is ... do you think they can beat this ticket .... McCAIN / ROMNEY

McCain will win the nomination and he will pick Mitt Romney as his VP.  The Dems can’t beat that ticket ... NO WAY !!!

Check out Mitt ....

http://www.mass.gov/portal/site/massgovportal/menuitem.76437090b8e731c14db4a11030468a0c/?pageID=gov2terminal&L=2&L0=Home&L1=Romney+Team&sid=Agov2&b=terminalcontent&f=gov_mittromneybio_homepage&csid=Agov2

Now check his wife ... Ann Romney ... she’s a little different than Kerry’s wife ....

http://www.mass.gov/portal/site/massgovportal/menuitem.76437090b8e731c14db4a11030468a0c/?pageID=gov2terminal&L=2&L0=Home&L1=Romney+Team&sid=Agov2&b=terminalcontent&f=gov_annromneybio_homepage&csid=Agov2

If Mitt Romney is the VP ... then he will be a “stone cold lock” for Pres after McCain does his 2 terms. 

So you have 8 years of McCain and then 8 years of Romney ... and Bush has 3 more years.  So you libs are looking at 19 more years of the GOP in the White House. 

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES ???

lol ... lmao ...

WHO’S YOUR DADDY !!!

Posted by tina1 on Jan 16, 2006 at 11:02 PM

Kuya, that’s a good point about the boundaries of nations being redrawn.  The world had barely gotten over the League of Nations’ redrawing of the maps when the Cold War ended and many small countries of the world whose economy depended on supporting one side or the other failed miserably in the aftermath. 

Oh, this godawful tinkering with nations! Will we ever learn?!

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 16, 2006 at 11:07 PM

Hi Tina1,

Why not take your political ideas to a more suitable thread like The Republican Crack-Up.

You had the third post from the top and since then it has been almost all about you. This thread has gotten far enough off topic debating your presence.

Please take it to the appropriate thread. Thanks.

Posted by David in Canada on Jan 16, 2006 at 11:23 PM

to Rocco:

Now why would you say I’m a racist?

What is it with you libs always throwing the racist word around? 

Bush is called a racist, yet he had two African-Americans to the highest position ever by a President.  The Bush family has know Condi from back in Texas ... and she has been at many family dinners and outings with the Bush’s.

Glenn Beck was called a racist for calling out the mayor of Columbus in that incident with the mentally challenged girl that was molested at school.  The mayor was black so Beck was called racist.

I wonder if those that called Beck a racist know that the little handicapped girl that was molested was black and that Glenn Beck paid the tuition for that girl to go to a private school. 

QUESTION:  Would a racist pay the tuition for an African-American child to attend a private school? 

PS - I have to laugh about someone on this board calling me a racist.  Why would I laugh?  Several reasons ... first, my husbands best man was Cuban and my 14-yr old son’s three best are (1) Indian, (2) Cuban, (3) African-American ... we are great friends with their parents and we are always doing things together ... BBQ’s ... camping ... amusement parks ... and trips to Vegas.  (and they are all republicans).  I’m sure they will get a kick out of seeing this thread and someone calling me a racist. 

In fact, I’m going to email this to all of them now. 

Ya ... I can say for sure that I’m not worried about the 08’ election ... or the mid-terms.

Yet more proof that “Liberalism is a Mental Illness” ...

Posted by tina1 on Jan 16, 2006 at 11:43 PM

Stupid lost post…growl…

Rabbit’s cannot be stopped, you know that by now Rocco.

This is but a stage where we all dance and act, for an audience, let it never be forgot these forums are public, and thus how we perform, how convincing our case and our face, is adjusged on a highjer plane, or a different one to that which we inhabit.

It is each actors lot to play himself, and thus if he is a moron then let him be an excellent moron, if it be a Shill then let it be a shiny and clever shill, and excellent shill, and if it be a Troll, then may that Troll be the finest the most excellent Troll.  Also there is place, some might say a need, for a small rabbit with a small sword to play his assigned part too.  How fine a Rabbit is it?  This is the only thing we can judge.  The fact that it is a rabbit and not a Frog, a Donkey or an Eagle is of no more consequence than that if the troll is male or female.

Allthough it might seem otherwise, the rabbit does not live for the hunt.  Rabbit prefers to share information and disseminate truth and what is right, and share opinions about things, speculatively especially.  Unfortunately this is nearly impossible due to the infestation of Trolls and Shills which seem to be everywhere, but for some reason they are attracted to ITT a lot lately.  Morons too can be distracting but they are rarely of longer duration.  Up one floats, pop its bubble and it sinks back into the primeval sludge of mass ignorance.  But due to circumstances the Rabbit has been forced to beat his plough into a sword and make a suit out of his bottle cap collection, and to sally forth, rounding up, culling and battling the wankers.  One of the tactics of battle is to use the presence of the Troll or Shill as a foil and thus bring more information into the arena.  This also annoys the Shills especially who usually don’t have much to put up in return.  But just because one makes the ebst of the devils and uses them for the cause, it is not a choice, Rabbit would make if he had one.

Lastly and perhaps more important, has been mentioned by most, they are entertaining.  By this it is understood they are not intrinsically entertaining.  Look at Tina1 or as Rabbit calls it, Tiny Shrew, for she is a he is Andrew too.

She babbles half coherantly and with tardemark Bush followers mangled syntax, she makes outrageous spins on fact, makes arrogant and quite unjustified assertions of superiority and then dissolves in maniacal laughter..LOL

Now in this day and age such a performance is not amusing.  We are above that and find it just sad and irritating.  However, if the troll can be made to dance, if someone or several of us can taunt or cajole it into doing and saying silly things which invite sidesplitting replies, they become our straight-man, our comic foil our toy for the simple purgative effect of wacking someone who asks for it.

We don’t need them, but we make the most of them. 

We adapt to changing circumstances. 

Lastly , Tiny Shrew you are a delighful Troll and with several fancy tricks, would you please be Rabbit’s personal Troll?  He still has no troll, his own got broken and ran away. 

It is interesting you think we are all Liberals and that we have mental illnesses.  It is always interesting when one person tries to tell a whole group of people thay are crazy.  Especially one who bursts into weird LOL’s every second line.

Rabbit isn’t really a Liberal, he is an Anarchist.

Tiny Shrew, are you sure you’re not a Racist?  You do seem to have an inordinate amount of other forms of bigotry, and your grasp on reality, even the spin on Al Gore’s very reasonable and well argued speech doesn’t bode well for sour recognising anything so difficult to spot as one’s own Racism.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 1:32 AM

Tiny Shrew asks:
QUESTION:  Would a racist pay the tuition for an African-American child to attend a private school? 

Answer:  Yes,  and then the racist would make a point of telling people about it everytime they were called a racist.

The same goes for talking about your alleged friends. They sound like your trophies. Lots of middle class racists make a point of having some “Racial”, friends.  They like to tell us all about it.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 1:38 AM

As an outsider (from Scotland) I look at the American two party system and this artificial distinction between “liberal” and “conservitive” with dismay.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans are funded, by and large, by the same donors - Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex. Both are slanted to different industries, Big Oil for the republicans, Agribusiness for the democrats, but both serve the interest of the dollar rather than the American people. This isn’t a wild conspiracy, its just how America (and Europe to a lesser extent) works. Its how “the West” works.

After all if you are a corporation and you donate say $100,000 to a party, you see it an an investment, and you want to see a return for that investment in the form of legislation sypathetic to your interests. Or in many cases the opening up of new resources and markets abroad, by subversion or force if necessary. (Indonesia in the 1970s is a textbook example of this).

In short, the supposed vast ideological gulfs between the two main parties is illusionary. There are superficial ideological differences, but these have very little bearing in reality in any tangible way. The mass media, which is owned by those corporations, and is finded via advertising by other corporations, is keen to maintain this perception. By perpetuating these supposed boundaries of “left” and “right” the spectrum of political discource is exceedingly narrow, and anyone outwith it is automatically categorised is an extremist.

Even the terms “left” and “right” are redundant, if they were ever accurate in the first place. People generally hold views that do not fit neatly in these pidgeonholes, human thought is a vast, diverse and diffuse cloud, not a sliding scale and defenitely not a choice between two imaginary polarities, defined by and large by childish hatred for the other pole.

The worldview of Left and Right, Republican and Democrat, is an intellectual prison.

Posted by Kingboy_D on Jan 17, 2006 at 4:50 AM

Tiny Shrew, for she is a he is Andrew too

How very Seuss of you!

<b><i>Tiny Shrew you are a delighful Troll and with several fancy tricks, would you please be Rabbit

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 5:28 AM

People generally hold views that do not fit neatly in these pidgeonholes

See…even the Highlander’s get it! We are stuck in this rut of only holding a two party system here in the US. It’s all funded by corporations and it’s getting sickening. How about we make the candidates go through a few rounds of a pubically funded game and make it like Jeopardy. At least then, we’d get somebody who could read and knows something about history.

Anouncer: “Mr. Bush, name the president who said that agreeing with a President without question is unpatriotic and morally treasonous to the American people.”

—-theme music—-

Bzzzz….

Now, that’s a show I’d watch!!

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 5:47 AM

Kuya,

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 17, 2006 at 8:23 AM

Wiley,

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 17, 2006 at 8:33 AM

tina1 - I never called you a racist.  That was an inference on your part, not an implication on mine.  Carefully re-read.  Why are racists always such lazy readers?

whattheheck - While I don’t disagree, I think the current case is a little different than border dispute.  Plunder seems more appropriate.  Which is also age-old.  I think the main cognitive dissonance for most Americans - which differs from say Viking cultures, which encouraged plunder - is that our mythology doesn’t involve bitter deities fighting pointlessly until the fated Ragnorak, but noble Humanists who threw off the shackles of despotism ‘in order to form a more perfect Union.’  Oh, yeah, and Jesus.  The guy who helped the poor?

Most of us were taught that we were the fairest, freest nation on earth, and that mythology is a big part of our collective self-image.  We weren’t plunderers, but lighting the torch of freedom throught the world.  Hence why the Bushies keep hammering away at ‘Iraqi democracy.’  The rubes need this to be true.  It’d shock the system to come out and say: “We need more oil, folks.  And by god we’re going to get it if we have to kill every last one of those brown bastards (tina1, oh my god, you’re so racist. I can’t believe you thought that).” 

We as a society therefore have a problem…I call it growing pains.  We have one foot in the past (empire) and one foot in the future.  Unfortunately I don’t think America has the intellectual fortitude to handle that dilemma, and we’ll all probably end up dying while simultaneously eating and playing Xbox.  So let’s see what our friends in the southern hemisphere come up with, yeah?  They seem to have hit the main nerve vis-a-vis adaptation.  Give Asia 250 years to form a coalition with Africa and South America.

Rabbit - Right on cue.  Would you do me a favor and wax ponderant and above the petty human fray for me, while swimming in self-adulation?

Posted by rocco on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:06 AM

Everyone knows tina1 is a nut job, and when the dems take back power in the white he-she tina1 will kill themselves. Delay step down,Bob Ney has resigned as head of the House Administration Committee.
It is still jan. neo-cons will be dropping like flies by mid year.

Posted by brian28 on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:01 PM

Rocco,

You may have explained my ambivalence

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:15 PM

War on radical Islam? So you’re alright with a war on radical Christianity, right whattheheck? Religions are fair game? Should we attack every Muslim nation?

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:29 PM

Actually, thinking about the 700 club makes me think that bombing ourselves might not be a bad idea.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:30 PM

whattheheck - A war against radical Islam.  The Christopher Hitchens position. 

This motive interests me for several reasons.  And while I don’t think that really was the impetus for war (Iraq was secular before the invasion) it could, from a certain point of view, hold merit.  They will stop at nothing to kill us, so we must do the same to survive.  A fairly bleak scenario, but plausible. 

There are other methods of battling extremism.  Working against poverty and ignorance is, in my opinion, the most effective means of stopping people from killing themselves over archaic ideas.  Who wants fifty virgins in heaven when you can afford professional call girls right here on earth?

We strenghten our own rhetoric by living up to our professed values.  We never really have, so why not try it out?  It’s a lot less costly.  Unless of course you profit from war.  And the resources obtained from conquest. 

We actually could walk away.  As Ms. Chaudhry points out, we really only care about our own soldiers, not the Iraqis.  From the vantage of self-interest, the Iraqis will only kill each other once we’re gone.  We won’t leave because of vested interests, not concern for the people.  But…what if we spent 100 billion in personal renumeration to each Iraqi?  American deaths: 0.  Do you forsee that little experiment in the near future, logical as it may be?  Why not?  Because that investment won’t have a return.

Posted by rocco on Jan 17, 2006 at 12:43 PM

I meant ‘remuneration.’  Sorry.

Posted by rocco on Jan 17, 2006 at 2:02 PM

Oh hello, Kingboy and Stinky Pete. Always nice to see new people.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 2:10 PM

America’s war on terrorism did not begin in September 2001. It began in November 1979 when Ayatollah Khomeini had seized power in Iran, shouting “Death to America”. 

Then a militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran and held Americans hostages for the next 444 days.

In retrospect, the mistake began when Iranians assaulted the U.S. embassy in Tehran and met with no resistance.

Interestingly, a Marine sergeant present at the embassy that fateful day in November 1979 agrees with this assessment. As the militant Islamic mob invaded the embassy, Rodney V. Sickmann followed orders and protected neither himself nor the embassy. As a result, he was taken hostage and lived to tell the tale.

In retrospect, he believes that passivity was a mistake.

The Marines should have done their assigned duty, even if it cost their lives. “Had we opened fire on them, maybe we would only have lasted an hour.” But had they done that, they “could have changed history.”

Standing their ground would have sent a powerful signal that the United States of America cannot be attacked with impunity. In contrast, the embassy’s surrender sent the opposite signal - that it’s open season on Americans. “If you look back, it started in 1979; it’s just escalated,” Sickmann correctly concludes.

Hey ... libbys ... libs ... were you sleeping for 3-weeks when France was being burnt down? 

Looks like that “passive” thing worked out well for France. 

What you libs don’t understand is that radical muslims have one plan ... to kill us.  I don’t think sitting down with them over tea and crumpets is going to work. 

I still think you Dems should take my advise ... you Dems should run on the (( Anti-Military, Pro-Terrorist, Anti-Christian, Pro-Muslim, USA Sucks and It

Posted by tina1 on Jan 17, 2006 at 4:36 PM

Geez, nice to see the complete theft of the work of Daniel Pipes. I’m completely sure that he won’t mind even though most folks who repost his stuff have the sense to give credit to him. Of course, Shrew should have gotten the full article found here:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/460

instead of the shortened version that it found at:

http://www.instapundit.com/archives/003645.php

Not a new thought in its head…so horribly sad. Take it under your furry paw, Rabbit, and help it at least get a new set of teeth.

Right now, it’s just pathetic.

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 5:18 PM

More bad news for liberals ... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but someone has to do it. 

The final 2005 Nielson ratings for cable tv news has been released. 

Fox News Channel had the TOP 5 news programs on cable tv ... and 11 of the top 12. 

Fox is smokin’ .... Fox News has exposed liberals for what they really are ... and America is listening.  Those are the facts.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/2005ranker.pdf
And here is more bad news for you liberals.  This has to do with the talk radio ratings.

Limbaugh crowned No. 1 in talk radio again. 
Sean Hannity is No. 2
Michael Savage is No. 3
Howard Stern is No. 4
Laura Ingraham is No. 5

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20051210-123009-6245r

Posted by tina1 on Jan 17, 2006 at 5:27 PM

I wonder if the Shrew even bothered to notice the part where it said:

Talkers said it used Arbitron data and “other reliable indicators” for its semiannual rankings report.

Does anybody else notice those quotes?

She also fails to mention that Randi Rhodes is the “cover girl” on that particular issue of the magazine.

http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php

I guess that Limbaugh listeners either can’t read or that his ugly mug won’t sell a magazine.

This Shrew is broken too…what a gyp she is. Steals material and then pads her little stories by leaving out the good parts Sad….

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 5:54 PM

You know, Stinky Pete, if you don’t sever her head, she’ll just keep coming back. She’ll eat your brain to stay alive. She will not benefit in any other way from it.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 6:05 PM

That’s nice that Randi is on the cover, too bad that doesn’t relate to ratings.  Arbitron ratings just came out ... and Air America ratings are dropping ... go figure ...

MEMPHIS, Tenn., Jan. 16 /PRNewswire/—
As Arbitron continues to release radio ratings from the recently completed Fall 2005 survey period, affiliates of Air America, the progressive radio network, which launched behind one of the most heralded promotional pushes in radio history are showing continuing signs of listener erosion.

Information Radio Network (IRN), a traditionally conservative network, earlier last year launched an African-American progressive talk show host, Andre Eggelletion for national syndication. Despite its conservative values, IRN realized the lack of successful African-America radio talk show hosts in syndication today.

In August 2005, IRN approached Air America with a joint venture to syndicate Eggelletion’s program, which had been airing on WSRF in Miami. At the same time, IRN was able to garner a minimum of $400,000 annually in advertising commitments for the program, predicated upon Air America’s list of affiliates.

The proposed agreement stated that IRN would produce and deliver the program to Air America, and Air America would sign-up the radio affiliates. Add revenues from the program would be shared between the parties equally after recouping expenses. Air America needed only to provide a place for the Eggelletion show in its lineup.

Air America would only offer IRN and Eggelletion the overnight shift. Currently, the only other African-American voices on Air America share co-hosting duties with other non-minority talent. Furthermore, the business model offered to IRN would have given Air America over two-thirds of the program revenue.

“We’re extremely disappointed that after four months of patient negotiations, Air America would present us with an offer that fails to recognize both IRN’s investment and Andre’s talent,” said Dr. Larry Bates, CEO of IRN Radio.

IRN had no choice but to reject Air America’s offer. IRN will continue to air Eggelletion’s program in select U.S. markets, including Memphis, Tennessee, and national rollout is planned beginning later this month.

Posted by tina1 on Jan 17, 2006 at 6:10 PM

<b><i>if you don

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 6:12 PM

This is great ... and you wonder why Dems keep losing.  What have been saying?  I’ve been saying that you (far-left) liberals actually HELP the GOP.  Thank You !!!

We won’t even have to campain, we will just let you liberals make fools of yourself.  Your liberals Senators made fools of themselves against Alito.  Hillary, Gore and Nagin made fools of themselves yesterday.  And now this ... the GOP stratagiest are laughing their asses off right. 

+++++++++++++++++++++

Homosexual Easter at the White House?  ‘LGBT families’ urged to crash Bushes’ annual egg-roll event

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48386

An advocacy group for the so-called lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community is urging its supporters to be the first in line this year at the White House Easter Egg Roll to show “family visibility” to the nation.

Mark Tooley, writing in the Weekly Standard, says a church-based homosexual-rights group, Soulforce, sent an e-mail to supporters giving instructions for the event.

“On April 17, 2006, when the White House lawn is opened to families for the Annual Easter Egg Roll, imagine if the first 1,000 families onto the lawn were LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] families,” said the Jan. 4 e-mail. Once America sees the White House lawn awash in LGBT families, “there will be no going back,” Soulforce promised.
Tooley claims it’s the first time anyone has tried to “exploit the annual White House Easter Egg Roll for political purposes.”

According to the e-mail, the group is asking “LGBT families” to arrive at the White House gate the night before the April event to be sure to be the first ones in. Volunteers will be available to save places for those who cannot spend the night.

HERE IS THE LINK DIRECTLY FROM THEIR WEBSITE

http://www.familypride.org/site/pp.asp?c=bhKPI7PFImE&b=992293

PS - I think this is great idea ... this will win over the “middle american” swing voters.

Keep up the great work ... lol ... lmao

Posted by tina1 on Jan 17, 2006 at 6:58 PM

I guess the Shrew thinks people would believe that a magazine puts people on the cover to be nice and not because it might actually sell copy. Geez, I better get that hot tip to Cosmo as I’m sure they’ll be thrilled not to have to make all those women look hot on their cover.

Let me rephrase this for the hearing impaired row…the magazine used the ratings AND “other reliable indicators”...meaning that they could have just made up what they wanted. This is a privilege afforded to them by…drum roll, please…New World Communications Of Tampa, INC (can you say Fox?) and the ruling by Judge Ralph Steinberg and filed February 14, 2003 where they said that Fox News didn’t have to tell the truth to Fox loving dinks (even about the fact that they are being polluted by a growth hormone produced by the makers of Agent Orange, Monsantos, that makes cows so sick that there is puss in the milk) unless the FCC specifially slapped them on the hand for it.

The ruling:
http://www.2dca.org/opinion/February 14, 2003/2D01-529.pdf

So while the Shrew is basking in the glow of her propaganda spewing TV in hopes of putting some meaning to a miserable existence, people who actually engage the mind will know to look elsewhere. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that most of what Fox News says is crud and “popular opinion” that they made up to pacify the mentation challenged hateraid drinkers. Simply put, their miserable audience are the ones who also have all that free time to answer polls and answer the call of the freeper.

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 7:46 PM

Yawn…again, what a dink. Got anything new?

This troll is broken, Rabbit. Bring another.

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 17, 2006 at 7:49 PM

Goodness me the rabbit looks startled,...............^^............. was that… was that Thinky?

Rabbit thought he saw Thinky back up the thread.

  Thinky was happy and quite well rested too.  He is somewhat healthier though there still appears to be a lot of ditto clogging up his thinking.  His name could turn out to be prophetic after all.

Hello Thinky.

Hooray for your return, the most pleasant moron Rabbit has met on this site.  It has been said to Rabbit that Scorpy has also shown his head on another thread.

Hail Hail the gangs all here….....

Just a wee correction though Think.

MOST Iraqi’s do not consider they are better off, women especially are much worse off, and most Iraqi’s want the USA out of Iraq.  That includes all the political parties who have unanimously asked the USA to leave.

Minor detail there lad but worth thinking about.  Just ask if you don’t know where to find the news about it.

Here’s another thing which is worth thinking about.

Here’s another

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 8:01 PM

Listen to Kingboy for he speaks the truth simply and clearly.  So too is the view from Oz, looking inward upon your DemRep and ConLib Scuzz.

The only difference to Rabbit seems to be, that each party acts like the other when in power, reverting to form upon being in opposition.  The biggest differences between how they both want to or do run the country, seems to be in the colour of the curtains and the carpet in the house.

They both pander to the same people, co-incidentally the same people who pay them obscene amounts of money to get elected in the first place.

Kind of like race horses, except you can increase your horses chance of winning by the size of your bet.

I wonder how many “Contributors” to campaigns have used that analogy as they “placed their bets”  Maybe we’ll hear the term in the Abramoff Scandal.

Still reading down the thread, but noticed Stinky Pete talking of breaking a Troll.  Rabbit hopes you haven’t gone and broken the new Troll, Pete, it was noticeably shaky in the sanity department and though possibly quite unstable, is still a valuable asset.  Even if we have so many old friends dropping in, or maybe especially because we have, we should save the breaking of the Troll until everyone has had a piece of it.  Then we beat it to death, or hopefully the troll self destructs, the ultimate forum fireworks show.

Of course if it was an accident, that’s OK, these things do happen.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 10:23 PM

WTH

All your apparently reasonable argument still falls down at the outset.

It is generally accepted he is a ruthless killer of thousands, etc.

It is accepted, but WTH the USA and both those presidents you mention supported Saddam Hussein, encouraged and Armed him while he was doing those things.  Therefore it is an entirely moot point that Hussein was so bad, the only thing America should have done about it was to stop supporting him, or ideally never to have done so in the first place.

You also are gilding the lilly a bit by blaming the media, for they report exactly what they are told by the Junta to report.  Did the Judith Miller business all go right over your wee head WTH?  The reason that WMD’s were pushed by the lying Junta in order to go to war which they had decided on for ECONOMIC reasons you dimwit not humanitarian,

How the fuck do you still keep talking about humanitarian issues whilst using Depleted Uranium, mass arrests and torture on a routine basis to decimate the people of Iraq?

The reason that they never did make a case for removing Saddam on the grounds he was an arsehole, is because there are no legal grounds for attacking on that basis.

The WMD lie was selected by the liars, specifically because they saw it as a legal loophole to allow something they had been planning ever soince they first tricked Hussein into attacking Kuwait.

As always Rabbit is astounded that anyone with no real clues about world events and no interest in anything more complex than a cowboy movie.  You want the Black hats and the White hats to have a shootout where the good guys are bold and honourable and the bad guys are evil and dirty.

That is so far from the reality of this situation.  Anyway WTH keep on shooting off your little popgun, it sounds the same each time to rabbit, but someone is bound to tell you what a clever monkey you are, we have quite a few morons about the site at present.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 10:39 PM

Rocco

Rabbit has a strict rule of not allowing his foot to be sucked.

Even subtly telling Rabbit what a wonderful rabbit he is, by suggesting he should be proud or enaged in self adulation, is sort of subtly suggesting you admire him so. 

Trust the hopper, he is neither handsome or clever enough, or successful enough to be too proud.  The nature of Aries and Rabbits does tend to make issues of ego redundant.

We are irreppresible.

It is pleasing to the rabbit that you take a moment to poke at him with the stick in the midst of what is generally considered and well articulated words. This does make him feel special in and of itself.

You are not a frustrated Leo by any chance?  If so don’t worry dear, Rabbit is too independant to want to be a king.

Rocco can be King and Rabbit does bow down and present his sword in service of the King. Not forgetting the Boy King, who may yet have his day on the throne.

Never fear the rabbit will be waxing your ponderants and watering your flowers, do the fish need feeding to? 

South America looks hopeful to me.  Sometimes think of emigrating to take part in the great Bolivarian Revolution.  But unfortunately, I have no ties to that part of the world, and so would be an interloper, running away from what my own homeland has become.

There is still some hope for OZ, if the whole Illuminati thing isn’t real, or if they falter soon.  Otherwise we have the distinction of having been selected as the seat of power and since we shall be house slaves so to speak we can expect slightly better conditions than the rest of you, on the way to and following the final NWO trumpets.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:19 PM

You mean….we can’t bomb any country we want to bomb? Any time we want to bomb a country? For any reason?

Is that fair, Rabbitianol? Do you know who we are?

I feel oppressed. Oppressed, I tell you! How dare you tell us who we can bomb!

We are the cat’s pajamas. The cream of the crop. The best of the best.

We are the reason the sun comes up. 

Look at how white our teeth are.

Can you tell me why a nation with such white teeth and bright smiles should not be allowed to bomb whomever we please?

Don’t give me any of that United Nations, tree-hugging logic and boring little laws.

We don’t need laws.

We have credit cards.

So, HAH! All you other laughable little countries can bite us.

There’s more of us than there are of you!

Excuse me, what?!

What? Four percent? Four percent?! You’ve got to be kidding me.

That’s not how it looks on television. 

Nevermind.

Gulp.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:24 PM

WTH as usual full of shit.

Until 9/11, I doubt that any president would have dared a preemptive strike. As I said in my previous post, I can accept acting out of fear rather than only for oil.

Then explain why Iraq was attacked when they had NOTHING to do with 911 and were not a threat?

<i>To accept the action taken one must believe this war is the real thing

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:29 PM

Hey, Rabbityzer! Just when you pop out, I’m getting sleepy. It’s been a full day. Gotta work outside da manor manana.

Quite a crowd, huh? Give ‘em hell and all else.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:34 PM

Oh, Rabbitation. It is valiant. Hopeless, sure. Impossible, of course. Maddening—-you know it—-but valiant, nevertheless.

I think I’ll just start telling him he’s doing that thing again, when he brings up the radical islam/new york….whatever that is. It’s not an argument. Too tired to pull out the thesaurus, right now, but back to my point—-with a WTH memo approach, I won’t be ignoring him (I don’t dislike the guy), yet I won’t (hypothetically) feel like I’m beating my head against a brick, either.

Be a pal, and remind me of this, when I forget it. Typing in a scratch-that-correction, and then typing the memo will help me learn more quickly how not to go down that prickly path of trying to reason with him about how it’s not just, good, legal, or even sensible to attack the nation of Islam wholesale because of 9/11.

Someday, he’s going to change his mind about something, and I will sing “Halleluja! Halleluja! hallay-ay-loo-yah!” It doesn’t have to be about this issue—-just something.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM

I don’t know about anyone else but TINY SHREW is breaking Rabbit’s heart.  She is posting all these terrible things, which make the rabbit so sad.  AS IF ANYBODY GIVES A CRAP!

TINY SHREW

When did you notice anybody on this thread, nay this site, ever express any support for Democraps?  How often have you heard Michael Moore’s name mentioned?

You Shrew are through and through a looney toon
A caricature in craziness, a ranting dancing poon
You gabble and cackle like a mad old crone
But nothing you say is worth an old bone
Nothing to do but ranting masturbating
At Liberal strawmen of your own making

Tiny Shrew we are in awe of you…

Now to be honest you are pumping out silly opinionish pieces and selected polls and basically filling up an inordinate amount of space with your crap.  It is a pity anyone is bothering to read it, for a glance at your mad lolling personality, is enough to give anyone the willies.  You could be quite young as Wiley suggests but it seems more likely you are retarded.  Rabbit for one does not read your gibberish as it was predestined to be rubbish coming as it did from the great depositor of garbage, your mouth, via your fingers the keyboard and some poor abused electrons. 

If anyone wants a suggestion of how to deal with the tiny Shrew, it is suggested that you post polls like the one showing 52% of Americans want Bush impeached for spying on them.  There is much more, not least of which is the Abramoff and Plame affairs, what about we talk about the Pedophile and snuff king Bush senior.  Wonder if Georgey boy learned his stuff on the end of poppas staff? 

[url=“http://www.arcticbeacon.com./17-Jan-2006.html
“]Seems likely, those Illuminati types are like that.[/url]

Skull and Bones anyone?  and we know that Kerry is another, that’s the point Tiny Shrew.

The point is they are all skum and as such your legitimate leaders whilst they become enemies of all that is good and right and true.

Of course it is dangerous to criticise Bush in America, or anywhere for that matter.  Being suicided is new term have you heard it Tiny Shrew? 

Tiny Shrew is so Shiny too,
lol lol lol and the shrew is through.
Who are you Ms Tiny Shrew? 
Do you know what we think of you? 
Guess you don’t you’re too tiny Shrew
to know what those with their own minds do.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 12:15 AM

It’s a bummer isn’t it Wiley?  WTH is far and away the most promising moron ever to come this way, often one feels he is on the edge of a major discovery…...... like a new idea.
Always he retreats into the Shell of moronity and ....you know the rest.  The denial is so common and yet the sheer

SCALE

of it is preposterous every time it is met in a new face, or as in WTH’s case, everytime he pulls the bucket of denial down over his head again.

The denial, the ability to decieve oneself is legend, it is beyond hyperbole, WILEY, help rabbit he needs bigger words,  KING ROCCO, give us a word which describes the scale of the delusion you see about us.  Is there a word, (less obtuse please than Ponderant), which captures the enormity of what we otherwsie reefr to as the effects of drinking the special koolaid?

Rabbit has taken trips which made more sense than the weirdness of the standard American denialist.

Soon we will have no choice but to murder them all in their beds.  We will creep our from under their beds at night,  look every night Tiny Shrew you’ll never find us, we are invisible until we are ready to strike, and slit their throats ear to ear. Screaming anti-american slogans, in Arabic, and watching Michael moore films whilst having abortions all over the place, with GAY doctors and midwives attending. 

Horror the LIBERALS are coming to get you, they are the first wave the Jihadists will follow hot on their heels.  Then you’ll have to wear a Hijab and pray on a mat ten times a day.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 12:29 AM

<blockquote>
Rabbit hopes you haven

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 18, 2006 at 1:58 AM

Wiley, et al:

Hmmm

Posted by whattheheck on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:59 AM

You’re doing that thing again, WTH.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:27 AM

statute of limitations?

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 18, 2006 at 1:09 PM

bbbbbthhhhhh…..[the sound of a good thread losing its substance]

Thanks, Rabbit.  You’re a gem.  What’d I say before, David in Canada?  Guess I need a nemesis, too.

Posted by rocco on Jan 18, 2006 at 1:22 PM

Rabbit - You wrote: “KING ROCCO, give us a word which describes the scale of the delusion you see about us.  Is there a word, (less obtuse please than Ponderant), which captures the enormity of what we otherwsie reefr to as the effects of drinking the special koolaid?”

How’s ‘bout “Wednesday”?

Posted by rocco on Jan 18, 2006 at 2:00 PM

Laaaaadddiieeess and Gennntllemen.  Welcome to the Wednesday night, ITT Championship of the Web.

In the salmon colored shorts, with scarlet sequined trim, pleeeease welcome Wabbiiiiiiiiiiit!!!

crowd goes wild

In the shrimp colored shorts with cranberry bric-a-brac, pleeeeeease welcome King Rocco!!!

<i>No scratching of the eyes, no brass knuckles, no rolls of quarters, no knives, no automatic weapons, no explosive devices, no STDs, no aerosols,no nibbling on the cuticles, no poison gases, no biting, no hitting below the belt.

Hug!

<i>Now back to your corners and come up swinging!!!</i

ding

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:00 PM

Pete

Rabbit meant to apologise for suggesting that Pete had broken the troll.  Rabbit saw what you meant, it was already broken from the start.  In fact the rabbit withdraws his offer to the troll, to be his own. Since Scorpy is apparently lurking again Rabbit feels that on balance Scorpy is a more fun troll than Tiny Shrew, who does seem to have succumbed to an overdose of The Koolaid, and is no longer able to get over the one thought which was last in it’s head.  This was probably around the last election from the sound of it.

WTH

You are indeed in a war.

.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:16 PM

WTH for you to say you don’t care how seriously you are taken is a puzzle.  Why then do you post? I mean by the end of the day you are painting yourself as some sort of SuperTroll.

You have specifically stated that you will never change your mind about anything.

You have repeatedly said nothing can ever be known to be a fact.

You now inform us you are not the least bit concerned that everybody except a couple of patent idiots considers you to be foolish and stupid.

Every sentence you wrote was it’s own study in lameness, but Rabbit shall only deal with a few.

Remember when Colin Powell went to the U.N. and held up a small vial about 2 inches long?

Funny you should raise that one.Remember do we that it was all fake? A complete bloody con job which even Powell admits was the low point in his career.? What the hell does this one do for your case? The rest of your speculation is an exercise in avoiding the issue.

As for referring to Rabbit as a Pseudo Intellectual, since the rabbit is VERY obviously actively avoiding such frippery and pretense, how about admitting that Rabbit seems to you to be an intellectual, whilst rabbit will admit he could hardly be called any such thing by informed people.  For you, Pseudo is as good as the real thing my little Penguin.

Rabbit was never in the ministry and it’s odd you keep referring to another half guessed assumption.  Rabbit studied Seminary for four years, Latter Day saint kids do, and Rabbit was such.  It’s all in the history of threads you as usual don’t comprehend beyond a simple black and white.  You really come across as a pseudo intellectual com,ing around and pretending anything you say has any merit on a site where semi-intellectual discussion at least is the norm. 

With the caveat that we do spend an innordinate amount of time wacking morons like you out of the way so we can talk sense to people who make sense.

For a WTH who has made the above statements, never given an original reply to any original thought, which he is being bombarded with all the time if the truth be admitted, to suggest:

<i>You haven

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:17 PM

Maybe Rocky is better?  Nah, Rabbit is happy to be a nemesis, just not a ghost.

You’re right about the thread breaking though, and to show that the rabbit is responsible too, here is an on track comment which occured to me a while ago.

”[T]he men who go to war and live are spared for the single purpose of spreading the bad news when they return, the bad news about the way war is fought and why, and by whom for whom.”

Is that maybe another good reason for them to be poisoned with DU to ensure they are mostly too sick and short lived to be able to spread the bad news?

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:23 PM

Well in a superficial sort of way….... with an agenda attached too…...... umm…. Well it can’t be taken down, and it is too late for anyone else to accuse the rabbit of what he has now confessed to as well.

hee hee…......................sneaky old rabbit…...........^^...........

(Rabbit will do his ears, they are his, they are original and they mean something too.  They are a secret code.  Rocco can jab Rabbit a bit in return if it amuses him.)

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:27 PM

WTH

One last parting wack.

You have actually had the temerity to claim Saddam’s attacks on Iran, which were supported and assisted and supplied by USA, is something which justifies attacking Hussein.

The thing about this which is just Flabbergasting, the rabbit is FLABBERGASTED, (He has never been this before), that you could at the same time, justify attacking Iran, with Nuclear Weapons.

You’re a F**king Wacko my lad, a full blown Holocaust Syndrome struck soon to be stone cold statue.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 18, 2006 at 8:34 PM

Now, now Rabbitiernamo. I think WTH is a sensitive soul the way my little brother was afraid of caterpillars.

I don’t know what that means, but I sense that something like that is the case. I still hold the silly dream that he can despise Islam while he and his live in reasonable safety—-like they do right now—-unless they’re in a moving vehicle or at the mercy of a medical team.

Islam, if not thrown into chaos and desperation can take care of the radicals. Most moslem people believe that terrorism is a sin. Most of them just want to get on with their lives, earn a living, love their families, fight with their cousins, make fun of their bosses.

They’re people What the Heck. It makes no sense to kill them indiscriminately* when so few of them are terrorists. It’s cruel to escalate the violence against them when they get angry and fight back in the face of indiscriminate killing. Mines and DU are pretty damned indiscriminate. It doesn’t even make sense to argue with that.

* In the first shock and awe attack, our success rate for military targets was zero for fifty. “Collateral damage” is a nasty, nasty term that no caring person should use, especially when the “collateral” is mostly children. When we attacked Iraq, half the population of the country was under the age of 15. Now, children are half the Iraqi cancer population. Because of DU.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 19, 2006 at 1:01 AM

“oooh, but Wiley, the evil Muslims murdered almost 3000 innocent Americans on 911 (whine, whine moan), and since each Christian American is worth at least 100 Muslims, and all nearly 3000 victims of 911 were honorary Christians, then at a conservative estimate of 150,000 of their innocent civilians they owe us at least anothjer 150,000 before we’ve levelled the score.

Then after that hell, we might as well go for broke, see how high we can get the score.”

There’s Hitler to beat yet, and Stalin.  That’s tough competition, but the USA is now a contender thanks to the warmongers in office.  You’ll get the credit for being the first to do it as a nation more than as a single president if Bush goes and the next president, Hillary Clinton picks up where he left off.

I think you can count on it.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 19, 2006 at 6:48 AM

You know what Rabbit means? 

Rather than remembering Hitler or Stalin, individual men, the world will probably refer to America, the great and abominable Whore of Babylon.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 19, 2006 at 6:49 AM

I concede with no punches thrown.  See you lot on another thread…

Posted by rocco on Jan 19, 2006 at 8:32 AM

The rabbit thinks you ride a shiny horse and swing a fair sword stroke too.

Never would he swing at an allie, except in jest.

Yet if you could zap the broken troll we’d love to see it.

Pending that we shall meet upon the range, and this too is Rabbit’s final, Postcard from the Front.

gratuitous rabbitisms….....

.......................................^^...................

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 19, 2006 at 9:15 AM

gratuitous wileyisms

bold, italics, both and CAPS!

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 19, 2006 at 1:06 PM

Hey Bugs Bunny,

You are featured in several books:

#1)  “The Enemy Within” By Michael Savage

In “The Enemy Within,” the extraordinarily popular Michael Savage takes aim at liberals’ increasingly destructive influence on America’s most cherished institutions.

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/EnemyWithinBook.html

#2)  Deliver Us from Evil by Sean Hannity

How Democrats exploit our national crisis for political gain—and how we can fight back to defeat terrorism, despotism, and liberalism

http://www.nrbookservice.com/products/bookpage.asp?prod_cd=c6447

#3)  “LIberalism is a Mental Disorder” By Michael Savage

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/Merchandise.html

Posted by tina1 on Jan 22, 2006 at 1:04 AM

the trouble with soldiers

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 22, 2006 at 10:00 PM

You too are featured in several books and more than a few films…...Tiny Shrew…...........But the Rabbit is far too polite to mention them publically..

Rabbit is definately not a LIberal Either Tiny Shrew.

Rabbit is an Anarcho Socialist as it happens, but you would not be expected to be able to understand that so let’s just say he is a rabbit, and thus has no political affiliations or preferences, except an absence of them all.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 23, 2006 at 2:46 AM

As a Canadian, I suppose I’ll never understand why people define themselves as either staunch Conservatives or staunch Liberals.  The United States was led into a war on the premise that weapons of mass destruction would be found.  Other nations ( France and Canada to name just two ) were reviled as pariahs for not joining in.  The U.N. weapons inspectors found no evidence of WMD’s.  The U.N. did not sanction the war.  Several countries ( Poland as one example ) have been withdrawing from this mess.  To this day, when asked why the war was entered into, many Americans innocently say “9-11”.  No connection has been made ( based on the facts on hand ) between that terrible attack and the former leader of Iraq.  If I were a member of the Republican party, I’d be asking a few questions and wondering whether my loyalties were misplaced.  More to the point, I’d be wondering if as a citizen of the most powerfull nation on the planet, I could trust leaders who dragged my nation into a war based on what appears to be ( dare I type this? ) a blatant lie.  This is where I have difficulty understanding the ” I am a member of the ( insert preference here ) party and always have been and always will be. ”  mentality.  Don’t some of you party members resent being lied to by your leaders?  Don’t some of you want to take those leaders to task for the lies?  A nation founded on the highest principles.  Reminds me of a statement made by one of your founding fathers when asked what sort of government had been created:  ” A republic…if you can keep it.”.  So tell me:  Have you kept it?

Posted by confused canuck on Jan 23, 2006 at 11:19 AM

Don’t ask these idiots questions Canuck.  the answers such as they give any, are bound to confuse you even more.

Go have a look at this thread to see more of them in action.  One of them has just raised 911 as being justification for attacking Iraq again.

They are the confused ones, they just haven’t realised it yet.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 23, 2006 at 4:31 PM

Rats. I lost my post.

The only person here that is particularly party loyal is Tina1—-a resident troll. Please do not feed the troll. I’m experimenting with adoption. Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated.

The topic is reserve troops. We’re not particularly prickly about staying exactly on topic, but Tina1 has a habit of changing the subject and being annoying and disruptive the way trolls are. She’s also totally insane and she thinks that there are liberals under her bed, and in all quarters reaping havoc.

As far as keeping the Republic goes, confused canuck—-we never had it. The public school system trains most of us to be grunts or managers. Free thinking is an aberration. Other citizens are competition.

I would love to keep our leaders to task. How do you do that canuck?  What citizens pay our leaders is chicken-feed compared to what our leaders get from lobbiests and the corporate lackeys who now write our legislation.

Our votes aren’t counted. Our media is lying. We could probably bring our leaders to their senses if we all turned off our televisions, but you can’t pay most Americans to do that. Research scientists have tried.

This is America. Image is everything.

Or, we might have a military coup. That’s a possibility. Our troops are going to have very little to lose.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 23, 2006 at 4:36 PM

Oops, my bad—-the topic is the attitudes of U.S. troops.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 23, 2006 at 4:38 PM

Thanks Rabbit.  Wileywitch, your response has me hugely impressed.  I don’t wish to be critical of the citizenry of “the country next door”.  It gets increasingly difficult to feel anything other than despondent as a result of some of the commentary I encounter from many of the Americans I bump into.  It has me very concerned about where the American educational system is going.  That’s not to say that ours is a beacon of perfection.  Not by a long shot.  The ability and willingness to ponder these and other questions in a non-confrontational manner, an ability to discuss without stooping to name-calling… those are attributes I find less and less frequently among the Americans I speak with.  Your observations reinforce some of the darker thoughts I’ve been having about what I see as a frightening cultural shift in your ( and to a slightly lesser extent, my own ) society.  Thank you both.  Your comments and observations keep my hopes alive.

Posted by confused canuck on Jan 23, 2006 at 5:43 PM

Hmmmm…the Shrew would have us believe that it could read a book. What a useless dink…

The problem isn’t liberals…it’s dogma spewing and willfull ignorance in any form…be it “liberals” or “consevatives” or whatever dink that disengages their brain while sitting there slackjawed drinking hateraid; searching for something to blindly hate.

Yeah, okay…“liberals” are destroying our country…and Bush is right in line with the teachings of Christ since he’s a Christian. And yes, there really is an easter bunny…dink…

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 23, 2006 at 9:28 PM

It worries me that my response “hugely impressed” you, like it bugs me that almost everyone I know in this town is more screwed up and/or out of touch than I am.

Scary. Scary.

Not that I don’t stoop to namecalling…it’s an American past time—-like wounding people and then offering a cure. Shoot, if you don’t get rough now and then, the bullies will think they own you. Sometimes it’s wise to fire off a warning shot. I know it’s difficult for you sensitive Canadians. I used to want to homestead in Canada. Now I want to spare you. I am an American—-loud, bold, clumsy, and reckless.

What is the topic? At least we are conversing, yes? Are you hearing a lot about deserters from our military showing up in Canada?

Stinky?

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 23, 2006 at 9:52 PM

Oh yeah. The first part of that post up there is to you, confused canuck

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 23, 2006 at 9:54 PM

Canuck, there is another Canadian, Dave hereabouts.  He will probably take you under his gentle Monkey Fish Wings.

His curiosity knows no bounds but he doesn’t seem too confused, so may be of assistance.

What you say of Canada is about on a par with Oz, it is from thence the rabbit hails.  We are in bad shape too, but not as bad as the USA.  Also it seems like if it can be stopped in the USA it will wither and die here in Oz too.

There are other Americans on this site as well and like Wiley they are humane, rational, intelligent and informed.  Even capable of empathy with others.

There are also a few, but manageable numbers of Morons, in the forms of Dittoheads and Trolls.  A Shill or three as well, but overall we can keep them from getting above themselves.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 23, 2006 at 9:55 PM

Stinky?

Okay, so I called “it” a name. Its little stupid factoids are starting to irritate me. It forgets to take into account such things as “state tax” which Oregon has, but Texas doesn’t. It also forgets to take into account that Texas has a “sales tax” to go along with its lowly ciggarette tax of around 8% last time I checked in 1996.

Let me explain why I keep calling it a “dink.”

dink

/dink/ adj. Said of a machine that has the bitty box
nature; a machine too small to be worth bothering with—sometimes the system you’re currently forced to work on.

Back to the topic…unfortunately, GWS (Gulf War Syndrome) is alive and well thanks to the DU that reinforce our heavy armor and artillery. Civies and soldiers should be afraid…very afraid…because the death count will keep on climbing long after this war is over in both the US and Irag, but who will care? Iraqi’s…well…they should just be happy that we came in and rescued them from the “axis of evil” and the American soldiers…they will just fade away in some VA hospital if their lucky because they’re just poor and they were “volunteers,” right? A dead guy can’t flip a burger and who cares if his wife has to put up with a “burning sensation” when they try to have children? More jobs for everyone else!! Whooo hoooo!! Democracy is on the march, baby!

In reality, some of the best soldiers do put up a “front” or persona to keep the “bad thoughts” out so they can do their job, but as Fick points out, those soldiers have to have some semblance of humanity and be protected from their darker half so there will be something left of that humanity when they return home. Because in a few years, some of them that survive might actually realize that it wasn’t a video game they were playing.

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 23, 2006 at 11:10 PM

It is sad, Stinky, that most U.S. citizens don’t seem to stop and think of killing people as a soul searing, no-going-back, sort of event that changes a person.  It’s not like losing your cherry, or buying your first car.

As always the people who are the least affected by war are the sociopaths, and their impossible to emulate coolness about it all will be held up as a model of mental health.

Help.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 23, 2006 at 11:47 PM

Stinky

I changed my name to something that a few people might feel more comfortable with. Now, I even have a jingle if you know the obscure reference from which I derive this name.

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 24, 2006 at 12:09 AM

Pistol Pete

Thankyou. 

Rabbit did not like saying the s….. word.  He wouldn’t even call a moron that, preffering to shorten it to stink or maybe just smell.

As for the Jingle of Pistol Pete, Rabbit never heard of it, but….......................

The mascot?

Pete Maravich

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 24, 2006 at 3:30 AM

Otherwise there is a character called “Postman Pat” in Oz, which is originally “Postmand Per” in Denamark.  Maybe the version in the US of A is called “Pistol Pete”?

In which case is the jingle something like this.

Pistol Pete, Pistol Pete, Pistol Pete
and his little shooting piece…...

(The Danish version has a little pussy cat BTW.)

Cheers for a few days to you both…...........^^.............

He shall hop off into the bush for a few days and returns on Saturday, down here.  Which is probably friday down there I guess.

Wiley you may have to deal with one of the trolls.  One of them, it might have been yours, was seen to use the Koolaid reference blasphemously again!

I didn’t mention it, but it is high time they were made to understand the innapropriateness of suggesting we have ever touched their special koolaid.  As we know it is the difference between them and us.  But for the grace of god and all that, go I.

Rabbit shall leave the matter in your capable hands.  I think it is good work you are doing with that Tiny Shrew and you should keep starving it of meat as you plan.  Keep it in line and help it to make a fool of itself, sometimes they need a little nudge here and there though she seems quite proficient in this department.

Tend well the magic moron Minny who is quite a find, if we can only keep her from shooting herself.  This site needs more Dittoheads.  It ois remarkably poorly populated by ordianry morons.  We get all the rest.  The spectacular is commonplace around here, with WTH, Scorpy and Jay DeCline a truly inspirational mix at any time.  Tiny Shrew too is no less a worthy troll, broken yes, but are we not all broken a bit some where?  Rabbit merely asks this he doesn’t think it’s rhetorical….....

Dittoheads of the everyday garden variety are only fleeting images as a rule, the last to be seen was Thinky.

Cherish her, but set her to rights if it was she who took the Koolaid’s Name in Vain.

Luminous Beauty, it’s time you paid attention to your troll too.  He is getting a bit ragged around the edges.  Inconsistent if I might say it.  Sometimes he talks to Rabbit, other time’s he pretends there is no Rabbit.  Then he does the same to others.  Once he saw no rabbits, but others at least got drivel and empty headed slogans, circular reasoning and pompous assertions.  Not the rabbit, it got only an occasional 3rd party reference. 

“Something like, I thought I saw a bit of rabbit poo over there but no rabbits anywhere.”

Now he sometimes mentions Rabbit, which is gratifying, and soimetimes he see’s no rabbit as I said.  Quite disconcerting.

Next thing he’ll start answering questions directly.  The rabbit might die of fright if he did.

<b>Adios….Rabbit shall send a postcard…............^^.........</a>

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 24, 2006 at 6:39 AM

No need to be worried Wileywitch.  Truth be told, it was my spouse who expressed the sentiment most strongly upon reading your post.  It was thoughtfully, frankly, and very succinctly expressed.  It might be fairly depressing, but then again the truth so often is.  We do hear about American military personnel trying to avoid returning to the U.S. as a consequence of the war.  By and large it seems that Canadians take the approach that as they have voluntarily joined your armed forces ( as opposed to being drafted a la Vietnam ) they should not be afforded that level of protection.  I know that during the Vietnam war a number of Americans sought and obtained sanctuary in Canada.  What was most dissapointing to some Canucks was the number who chose to return after being granted pardons by your government.  Given the climate here I suppose it’s tough to blame them.  Concerning depleted uranium and the radioactive dust floating around areas of Iraq and parts of the former Yugoslavia ( Bosnia for example ), I get the sense that no one is really listening.  Mention it to your typical Canadian and they give you a blank look as if to say: “What are you talking about?”.  Sigh…

Um… Oz.  Is that an abbreviation for Australia?  If so, is there any truth to something I read a while back about all firearms having been restricted about a year ago?  As in… you aren’t allowed to own one… not even a long rifle?  Something similar is going on here, and I was wondering if this is becoming a trend among more Anglo-Saxon nations ( other than the U.S. of course ).  If so, how has it affected your rate of violent, and more to the point, armed criminal activity?  Apologies for rambling off topic here.

Posted by confused canuck on Jan 24, 2006 at 11:37 AM

Confused canuck. Most of the COs came back, huh? That surprizes me a little. Can’t say why. Though I can say that I would probably feel like an oaf in Canadian society.

Rabbit is Australian and is very Rabbitty.

I was shocked to find out that we were using DU and had used it already in Gulf I. That makes the Gulf War Syndrome make sense.

It’s horrifying, but one of the wonders of advertising in the U.S. is that poison isn’t a fearsome thing. The skull and bones has been declared too cool and now we have Mr. Icky or something like it to proclaim that poison doesn’t taste very good. Shoot, some Americans think they can drink it without suffering ill effects if they have the right attitude.  And millions of years into the future means nothing in a quarterly world.

So, has insecticides been banned in your part of the world? Off topic, but connecting is o.k. We just be trying to stop gorilla hate poasting. 

Eventually, we usually pull around to the topic. Threads can be very long.

Oh, please don’t feed the troll tina1. Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 24, 2006 at 2:49 PM

It is sad, Stinky, that most U.S. citizens don’t seem to stop and think of killing people as a soul searing, no-going-back, sort of event that changes a person. It’s not like losing your cherry, or buying your first car.
Yes, your right, Witch. There’s no going back and most people don’t have nightmares about those other things that you mentioned. Thankfully, most people who “talk about” supporting our troops with their stupid yellow magnets that are mass manufactured in China (you heard me..CHINA) along with their stupid car flags will never know what it feels like behind an M16 A-2 and to shred bone and flesh by pulling the trigger. Most people are disconnected and think of it kind of like a bombardier who just pushes a button from a comfortable distance. We support our troops! Yeah, except you wouldn’t look at them twice when they were desperate for a job and security. Makes me want to put enlistment pamplets on all those cars with magnets and flags.

<dd><b>sup

Posted by Pistol Pete on Jan 24, 2006 at 7:45 PM

Canuck Just quick am in a hurry.

Oz is indeed the great southern land.

Port Arthur was a transparent false patsy attack designed to give an excuse to have a massive tightening of gun laws.  Not banned altogether but much more controlled.

The result?  Lots of country people especially realised something stinks and many more illegal firearms have become the norm.  Many who would never have thought of owning illegal firearms thought it seemed like a good time to change.  Rabbit personally got rid of all categories, legal and otherwise, when seeing the writing on the wall.  If I need one, I’ll bash the first dickhead I find and take his.

The crime rate has only increased in that time and the number of armed (with firearms) offences has increased dramatically.  That’s a fact.

Whereas once firearms offences were rare, it seems that shootings and armed robberies have jumped markedly.  I’ll find stats another time, but they are official.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 24, 2006 at 9:16 PM

Same happened here, Rabbit. The crime rates did go down in states that made it legal to carry hand guns.

I’m not crazy about guns.  I keep a hatchet by the door, and am thinking about getting a cross bow. You can reuse the arrows—-that’s economical.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 24, 2006 at 10:10 PM

I would’nt say that most of the CO’s went back to the U.S. after the presidential pardon was extended.  I don’t recall the exact total, but I believe it was on the order of over 50%.  Hmm.  I guess that is most.  As to guns:  I too am not fond of them.  Especially handguns.  They are designed to be concealed.  I often wonder however, if incidents of home invasions have increased as a result of criminals being quite certain that there is no firearm of any sort whatsoever on the other side of that door.  Our laws here now restrict the possession of crossbows incidently.  Apparently law enforcement agencies don’t like them because the bolts will penetrate body armour quite effectively.  As to insecticides.  We still have them here.  Of course we banned the use of DDT about 3 decades back I believe.  That is an interesting story in itself.  It was still manufactured here for quite some time after the ban… and shipped off to various third world nations for their domestic use.  By the way Rabbit, I had’nt heard about an incident in Port Arthur.  I do occasionally visit the Sydney Morning Herald, along with news services from many other parts of the world, but in an effort to get a truer picture by vorasciously reading articles from all over the place I suppose I’m going to miss some things.  My apologies for my ignorance on this one.  The impetus for gun control here in Canada was an incident over a decade back where a nut walked into an engineering class at a university in Montreal and shot several female engineering students.  Naturally, everyone got up in arms over guns as opposed to mental illness.

Posted by confused canuck on Jan 25, 2006 at 10:39 AM

I was not totally serious about the weapons, CC. The hatchet is in case I need to cut wood. I’ve used it to cut shrub roots out of a previous garden. Wouldn’t mind a cross bow, though. An arrow goes through sand bags too.

I remember that incident in Montreal. Handguns did make it easier to carry that out, and if the guy had no weapon he might not have done it. But I agree that there is something seriously screwey in people who go on shooting sprees. 

A lot of returning troops from Iraq are turning hand guns on themselves. The government really isn’t supporting the troops.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 28, 2006 at 9:49 PM

Port Arthur

Rabbit knows a number of people personally and can confirm a number of major details in the story including the attempted set up of Terry Hill the Gun dealer, who did not supply the weapons to Bryant despite a concerted government effort to set him up including planting evidence.

There is a small group who are working hard tp expose the full truth of Port Arthur and there are really no questions left unaswered as far as who exactly did it and how. 

The guy who did the shooting was AWESOME in his robot like efficiency.  No kidding this guy was the computer calculated precision killing instrument.

He had a killed to injured ratio of 6:1.  From the first fifteen seconds where he managed twelve dead and two wounded, each with a head shot, from the hip…...........to the final tally where the computer generated maximum possible kill rate of six to every one wounded, was maintained.

The normal average for a massacre such as this is the reverse, one dead for every six wounded.  Even Military trained marksmen, with combat experience get the rate no higher than one dead for ever four wounded. 

Martin Bryant, with no experience of firearms beyond a Webley Osprey Air rifle which he fired from the left shoulder, and an IQ of 60, supposedly pulled off this impossible feat.

Do check out our little Psyop Mr Canuck, it is more than a minor local news thing.

Posted by Rabbit on Jan 29, 2006 at 10:04 PM

killology

This reminded me of something, Rabbit. Now I’m not asserting that this is the case for the Port Arthur incident—-how would I know? But it reminded me of an excellent series of articles that I think will be interesting to anyone who uses a brain—-especially parents.

Here’s an excerpt:

One of the boys allegedly involved in the Jonesboro shootings (and they are just boys) had a fair amount of experience shooting real guns. The other one was a non-shooter and, to the best of our knowledge, had almost no experience shooting. Between them, those two boys fired 27 shots from a range of over 100 yards, and they hit 15 people. That’s pretty remarkable shooting. We run into these situations often—kids who have never picked up a gun in their lives pick up a real gun and are incredibly accurate. Why?

I couldn’t find all the articles I read by this guy a few years ago, but what’s on the killology site now is interesting. Too tired to keep looking right now, but I do remember him talking about one school shooting in which the child had never fired a gun. The kid took the gun to school, stood squarely in one spot, fired off four shots (I think) and killed four people with something like three head shots and one chest shot.

The author of these articles tells of shocking SWAT teams with this information. 

Before I read these articles I was very skeptical, but I think if you read this you’ll appreciate the neurological phenomenon involved, and you may see an apparent conflict between our principles and the influence of electronic media on our brains. I’m not proposing that anyone sue anybody, btw.

Posted by wileywitch on Jan 30, 2006 at 1:59 AM

I was fortunate to have read this article a month ago, and remembering that patience is a virtue, decided to wait, read, and think, before directly jumping in. I wanted to bring as much as I could to the table. I joined the Marine Corps later in life (29 yrs) with the same consideration. I wanted to bring more to the table. One thing I brought to your article was my belief that there are two types of people in this world, those who charge through it with little thought of the big picture, and those who know they are a small part of something bigger. The soldiers who write these books are no different than you and I and you have found the difference between them.  Between Fick and the rest, they are the perfect metaphor for the military man.  Childish and strong, thoughtful and arrogant, and all the combinations in between, they write for the same reason they joined. Selfishly or selflessly. It may be a generational thing, but I don’ t think so.  We are born either one type or the other and the stories we tell show the difference.
Sgt Duran
USMC
New Orleans

Posted by Joseph Duran on Feb 25, 2006 at 10:09 PM