The Islamic Republic of Iran—under the new government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad—is engaged in a major anti-homosexual pogrom targeting gays and gay sex. This campaign includes Internet entrapment, blackmail to force arrested gays to inform on others, torture and executions of those found guilty of engaging in “homosexual acts.” Homosexual acts have been considered a capital crime in Iran since… return to article
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Reader Comments (86)Page 1 of 1 pagesJesus!
That’s a lot to go through just for sexual freedom.
Wouldn’t you think a bloke would just give up and concentrate on penetrating the heavenly if slightly fish scented gates of paradise?
Obviously there is more to this bumbrothers approach than seems apparent to a wellrounded but not ultimately experienced rabbit. Is it worth it? If people are prepared to suffer and die for any cause it Demands fair attention.
Fundamentalism is no different from East to West, if you’re in you’re in, if you are out, you are fucked, but not in a good way!
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 4, 2006 at 5:25 AM Yeah, and this is the country ITT has supported in acquiring nuclear weapons. Oh, and they stated that Iranians are “arab”. Brilliant work “alternative media”.
-To the guy who actually proudly calls himself “Rabbit” - see a therapist man, sitting in front of your computer all day posting on a website is no way to go through life.
Posted by InThoseTimes on Jan 5, 2006 at 5:26 PM There is a word for people who post to tell other people to get a life.
Frankly you are of no consequence due to the total lack of accuracy of anything you just wrote.
Rabbit, runs his own little factory producing Polyethylene Kayaks. It is high summer here by the way, and this means I am working about twelve hours a day, but since I am quite good at this thing, I used to build such machinery and the moulds and trained others on production lines, so for each process of about two hours, I need actually to work fitting up the last Kayak, taking about 15 minutes, while the next one begins to cook. Due to cooling time, about an hour or more sometimes (It IS high summer) Rabbit has about three quarters of an hour, every hour and a half, to do whatever he feels like, BUT my presumptive, obviously small minded little ignoramus, Rabbit cannot go out and indulge in anything which would take him, away from at least his little office. There is only so much ordering and problem solving to be done, it is a small business, but in the spirit o Private Enterprise and depending on how one measures success, this is an astinishling successful little enterprise.
In addition to this, I have a life, you see but the tip of a small amusement I indulge in, and if you think it took up so much time, as to have qualified as an alternative life, then maybe it is yourself who needs to get out and have a life.
How many countries have you visited? Lived in? How many languages do you speak? How many different carreers have you had? How many life skills do you possess? have you been a farmer? Have you hunted? Have you fished? Have you been in the military? What or hopw many of these things qhalifies as a life? Come along you well rounded life liver who feels he has something to offer others. Out you come and rattle your gums, or your fingers or whatever you do.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 5, 2006 at 10:12 PM Rabbit would furthermore be impressed if you could back up the possibly slanderous claim that ITT supports Iran getting Nuclear weapons.
As for Rabbit, he does indeed support the Iranians getting Nukes. How else are they going to protect their nice shiny new, EUROS ONLY Oil Bourse? Obviously the fact that it is opening in March has nothing to do with the media hype and drum beating about Iran, and the soon to be launched attack.
As long as nations who refuse to recognise international laws, including Nuclear Laws, and who have not only made numerous threats to use Nuclear weapons, but have done so on occassions, I don’t see why any sovereign nation should be denied the chance to own them too. ESPECIALLY when they are being directly threatened with Nuclear weapons as we speak.
Those Nation I’m thinking about are ISRAEL and the USA.
You are the two War Insane nations, you are using Chemical and Nuclear weapons even now, and you are planning to launch a nuclear war against Iran, on the basis of nothing more than a revamped set of lies, not significantly different from the Iraq FIASKO.
So Sunshine, if you happen to be from either of those aforementioned countries, your opinion about who should or should not have Nuclear Weapons is NULL and VOID.
Thanks to your breaking and Israel’s breaking of the international treaties about Nuclear Non proliferation, the truth is the whole treaty is flushed down the toilet. All other nations who signed even are no longer bound THANKS TO YOU cowardly greedy war mongering lunatics.!
Rabbit would like a nuclear weapon, and if he ever gets one nobody is going to tell him what he can and can’t do anymore. Isn’t that the lesson you have taught the world? Did you actually think everyone was just going to fall down on their knees and worship you or something? Do you honestly think anyone wants anything of what you have?
Do you realise how few years ago you were hanging and whipping and enslaving Humans in your own country because of the colour of their skin? How fast do you think a society which is perhaps a hundred years behind ours, through no fault of their own, how fast do you expect them to become a bit more enlightened whilst they are being threatened with Nuclear attack, and are being driven further and further to the only real resisitance to the total enslavement of the middle east by oil interests?
Do you have any answers InThoseTimes?
or were you just having your life?
As for Rabbit he has a Kayak to pop out of a mold, and a new one to start.
Tooroo
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 5, 2006 at 10:13 PM One more thing, as if you could even have managed such a small detail at least, where does ITT refer to Iran as being Arab? Obviously not this article, so what is your problem you sad little person?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 5, 2006 at 10:24 PM Back again, Rabbit finished one boat, started a new one, spoke to the neighbor for a minute, and went to the cafe at the end of the street to get some lunch. Rabbit talked with the Korean owners of the cafe for a while, and now he is having his lunch whilst posting this to taunt, the goose InThoseTimes.
What was your life like in the last half hour dude?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 5, 2006 at 11:06 PM Hi, InThoseTimes…
Hey, you sure triggered Rabbit’s Rant-O-Rama switch.
Rabbit, I can see it now — A giant rabbit like Harvey sitting in a kayak with a nuclear warhead mounted up front paddling madly up from Oz to the home of the latest person to trample on your latest opinion piece. :-)
The closest rabbit picture like that I can recall was Jimmy Carter in a canoe with an attack rabbit swimming out to get him.
Happy New Year
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 6, 2006 at 8:45 AM I think you can bet on this: I doubt if that gay cowboy movie will be shown in Iran .... lol
Also, concerning that gay cowboy movie. Did you hear what the producers were thinking of calling the movie before they came up with “Brokeback Mountain”? They thought about “Humpback Mountain” ... and they thought about “Rump Ranger Mountain” ... but what they really wanted to call the movie was “Blazing Saddles”
PS - Say “NO” to the Hollywood Homo Agenda by boycotting the gay cowboy movie. Don’t see it ... besides, someone in our office went to see it yesterday and they left in the middle, they said “it was horrible”.
Posted by tina1 on Jan 6, 2006 at 5:33 PM Rabbit-
“Give Iranian Nukes a Chance” by Zizek. Published in this magazine in August. You can find it in the archives on this website. Is my “slanderous claim” backed up?You perfectly represent the Progressive mindset. You should be proud of your insight and keep churning out the good word. I was going to write a cogent, sane, and normal response to your, um, thoughts - but I think I just feel sad for you at this point.
Posted by InThoseTimes on Jan 6, 2006 at 6:37 PM <a>China: More than 100 warheads.
France: Approximately 350 strategic warheads.
Russia: 4,978 strategic warheads,1 approximately 3,500 operational tactical warheads, and more than 11,000 stockpiled strategic and tactical warheads.
United Kingdom: Less than 200 strategic warheads.
United States: 5,968 strategic warheads,1 more than 1,000 operational tactical weapons, and approximately 3,000 reserve strategic and tactical warheads.Defacto Nuclear-Weapon States:
India: 45 to 95 nuclear warheads. The Pentagon projects that New Delhi has a relatively small stockpile of nuclear weapons components that could be assembled and deployed “within a few days to a week.”
Israel: Between 75 to 200 nuclear warheads.
Pakistan: 30 to 50 nuclear warheads. The Pentagon believes Islamabad stores its weapons in component form and could assemble weapons “fairly quickly.”
States of Immediate Proliferation Concern:
Despite its denials, Iran is generally perceived as secretly trying to acquire a nuclear weapons capability. In contrast, North Korea has the material to produce nuclear weapons, announced its withdrawal from the NPT, and declared itself a nuclear power. Yet, North Korea has never conducted a nuclear test and uncertainty persists about whether it possesses actual nuclear weapons.
Iran: No known weapons or sufficient fissile material stockpiles to build weapons. However, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN body charged with verifying that states are not illicitly building nuclear weapons, concluded in 2003 that Iran had undertaken covert nuclear activities to establish the capacity to indigenously produce fissile material. The IAEA is continuing its investigation and oversight of Tehran’s nuclear program.
North Korea: One to two nuclear weapons, according to CIA estimates. Pyongyang also possesses enough spent nuclear fuel that could be reprocessed into fissile material for as many as six nuclear weapons.
START I limits the United States and Russia to 6,000 “accountable” strategic warheads each. Figures are based on START counting rules, as negotiated between Washington and Moscow and specified in the treaty text. Thus, numbers do not necessarily reflect those weapons systems that are operationally deployed. These warhead totals were what the two states reported as of January 31, 2004.</b>
There was a time when the word “fairness” meant something in the U.S.A.
Homosexuality? Who here is gay enough to care?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 6, 2006 at 9:26 PM You should be proud of your insight and keep churning out the good word. I was going to write a cogent, sane, and normal response to your, um, thoughts - but I think I just feel sad for you at this point.
So, In Those Times, what is it that offends you here? Is it the reading, the writing, the people who don’t mirror your opinions? I suspect that feeling sad over someone else’s post is a lot easier for you than writing a cogent, sane, and normal response---whatever “normal” means to you.
I’m curious to see what other standards of normalcy you uphold. Go ahead, and give us that cogent, sane, and normal response---for our betterment, of course.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 2:54 AM WTH found something worth posting about, someone was rude, and pointlessly so to Rabbit. Neither of you turkeys get the point that you said nothing, your point about Rabbit and what he does with his time was lame and backfired.
Two problems with the following.
I was going to write a cogent, sane, and normal response to your, um.. thoughts
Firstly you haven’t demonstrated any ability to do any such thing, I think it’s an idle boast personally. You don’t seem sane or normal, and if you are cogent, it is not in the way you intend.
Secondly, since Rabbit has not really expressed any...um, thoughts on this thread, thus far merely spreading a bit of bait for any dickheads who might be cruising. Go back and read it ninnies, no thoughts of any consequence expressed, so what did you have in mind? Tina1 has expressed an opinion, Wiley, who Rabbit is about to read has expressed thoughts, no doubt.
NO Joe, Rabbit has but baited the line and reeled in two morons with one cast.
Who are you really BTW? You seem like someone who may be hiding behind a name having once recieved a hiding by one not the same. Hardly the response of one who meets Rabbit for the first time. WTH springs in quickly and manages a half coherant, though quite off the mark remark, and rabbit wishes him a miserable New Year personally, but only for his own good. If WTH stays happy this year it will only be because he still hasn’t learnt anything.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 4:32 AM You also make the usual dumbass assumptions that morons do, and are actually meant to as it happens.
Why would you think Rabbit was proud of being a rabbit? Actually the truth is merely that he is happy to be a rabbit. Content even. If I was a Tiger, or even a Dragon, maybe I’d be proud of it, but alas I am but a rabbit.
You are obviously projecting your own inate respect, and admiration for Rabbit, which considering your own presumed inadequacies is perhaps understandable. Now the rabbit is not going to pretend he is a Gorilla by calling himself Gorilla, nor does he wish to have a moniker which gives the image of a permanantly stunned expression, like Whattheheck. (No offence WTH, it’s a good name for you)
As for the fact that an author of an article made the common, among Americans, mistake of calling Iranians Arabs, so what? That doesn’t speak for ITT. As for the Nukes we were discussing, this related to Nuclear Power. Your points about their homophobic Laws and customs being somehow disqualifiers for Nuclear weapons or power, is ridiculous. What do you think they might Nuke the Gay Mardi Gras or something? Try and get your mind above short soundbites and Bush like Reasoning. (None that is.)
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 4:42 AM Tina1. (Hi Tina2)
Only this very morning Rabbit read Rip Rense, ripping into the Brokeback Mountin’!
Look his points were valid. I’m not sure that making such a song and dance about it as you are doing is the go though.
The idea of seeing a couple of cowboys chasing cows around the scrub and each other around the bedroom doesn’t appeal to this rabbit it is true. This is why Rabbit shall not be seeing it.
yet I am not so offended by this movie (OK I haven’t seen it) as a lot of Americans seem to be. Perhaps it is the threat to the old Cowboy image. See how Dubya gets right into the act, it’s a macho thing, and all that. Being an Aussie, and a Bush Aussie at that, we already reckon cowboys are a mob of girls anyway.
hee hee......
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 4:54 AM Oh and don’t be sad for Rabbit Mr InHisMind, the rabbit is happy, and healthy, and rather successful in his own small way. Rabbit has lived and travelled much and has a few experiences under his bely which many people with boring little unadventurous lives only dream about.
Furthermore, Mister InHisMind, the rabbit has a job where he gets to sit and play wack a moron for a few hours each day, whilst he is making a living.....cool eh?
So save your pity for people who need it, people whose delusional existence is at an end, whose worlds of secure imaginings are crumbling around them, and who will be facing a grim reality such as their worst nightmares before long. Save your pity for yourself, you need it more. Probably want it more too.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 5:04 AM Rabbit,
When one has nothing to say, he may be more concise. Give it a try, Rabbit.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 7, 2006 at 7:54 AM Wiley,
“There was a time when the word “fairness” meant something in the U.S.A.
Homosexuality? Who here is gay enough to care?”
--------------------Yes, as the author points out, Iran is intolerant, dogmatic and murderous toward homosexuals.
Just what would you propose the U.S. do in this case? We could make a verbal protest which would fall on deaf ears.
We could ask for a U.N. resolution like 1441, but who would enforce it? We took action against Saddam’s unfairness toward his people (among other reasons)and you’ve been unhappy about it ever since.
You say, “The IAEA is continuing its investigation and oversight of Tehran’s nuclear program.”
The IAEA’s “continuing investigation” is likely to be just that — continuing and as useless as their piddling around in Iraq was. At the time El Baradei was seeking a third term as the director of the IAEA, (a nice, cushy job) his following comments were reported at BizChina News > International News.
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El Baradei rejects criticism of UN Iran inspections
( 2003-12-05 09:11) (Agencies)
The head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog on Thursday rejected criticism of its failure to detect Iran’s clandestine experiments to make enriched uranium and plutonium, saying they were practically undetectable.
Mohamed El Baradei, director-general of the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), also said Iran had yet to sign a protocol accepting more intrusive snap inspections, though diplomats said it was too early to say whether Tehran was stalling.
“People have been saying Iran has been cheating the agency, if you like, for 18 years,” El Baradei told reporters. “Yes, Iran has been successful in doing research and laboratory activities and this we were not able to detect, and I don’t think we will be able to detect in the future.”
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This is why we need to do things ourselves. We don’t have 18 more years to screw around.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 7, 2006 at 8:28 AM Rabbit- To a grown man who actually calls himself a bunny name, well, I think I get it now. I surrender, you beat me, you are kicking so much booty with your posts that Progressive thought is going to rule - I mean rule to the “extreme”! Dog! (insert other, um, adjectives here)- in the elections. Just please stop, pretty please, you are mercilessly kicking me down - and I can’t come up for air anymore.
If you keep posting like this I’m basically fried. “Progressives”, like yourself and this paper, just get it done son. As I tremble and shake - was I wrong in stating that ITT stated that Iranians were Arab? A “Serb professor”, a guy that comes from the clan that “ethnically cleanses” fellow countrymen - doesn’t even understand 6th grade history? Nor do the editors that reviewed the piece? Basic, simple, easy stuff - but it tells you all you need to about their understanding of the Middle East.
Posted by InThoseTimes on Jan 7, 2006 at 9:08 AM Hey, WTH, how about signing back on the ABM treaty and taking steps toward disarmament. Look at the numbers. Look at the countries. Ask yourself if we’ve really made room to talk about a country starting a nuclear weapons program. If you think the U.S.A. has some god given right or moral authority to make hay over starting a nuclear program while we’ve got a few thousand warheads, then you are chauvinistic, and unrealistic, if not deluded.
Our government has a first strike nuclear policy, even against countries that don’t have nuclear weapons. If that isn’t incentive for another country to develop nukes then what is?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 1:56 PM In Those Times, I’m still waiting. Why don’t you educate the “progressives”? You can start by defining the “progressive” mind set. And if you would be so generous, explain to us what you are.
And---making all the posts you need---tell us all about the sixth grade history of the mideast, if you please.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 1:59 PM Perhaps Iran is just flirting with the American right, trying to win their hearts and minds. Demonizing homosexuality, the death penalty...this might just turn them on.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 2:03 PM Wiley,
I noticed no suggestions on how to deal with Iran’s treatment of homosexuals, or is “caring about it” enough? OK, I say they should not do be executing anyone for his sexual preference. I can’t see how talk will help the victims.
You brought up the IAEA continuing “oversight” — do you still think this is a comfort?
How about a UN oversight agentcy on treatment of Iranian gays?
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 7, 2006 at 4:09 PM It’s horrible, and it’s Iran’s problem. Should France attack Texas for executing mentally retarded people? Not to compare homosexuality to mental defects, but once you accept the death penalty and your government, you are pretty much limited to fighting your government or not---what you don’t do is invite another country’s military to bomb you and/or your power plants.
Have you looked at those numbers and names, WTH? Don’t you see a pattern?
This assumption that we’re going to be victims of Iran if we don’t bomb them first, while divorcing responsibilities for acts of aggression from what most people would consider natural consequences (like getting hit back) is strange and indicative of a populace that can hardly think its way out of a wet paper bag and is poorly informed and misinformed on a daily basis.
IAEA oversight is a technical process not intended to soothe emotions. It is based on evidence and thorough knowledge of verifiable facts. Off the top of my head, I’d say that the only states required to submit to these inspections are those that are signatories of the Non Proliferation Treaty. As such, allowing the IAEA oversight is an act of cooperation. As Bush has demonstrated, treaties can be broken or ignored.I’ll go check up on that, now. Can’t say I’ve never been wrong.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 5:20 PM >a href="http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/cnpp2003/CNPP_Webpage/pages/ /..\countryprofiles\Iran\Iran2003.htm">IAEA</a>
Yep. Iran is there. Anyone want to come to bat with ‘well, why does a country that has that much oil need a nuclear power plant?’.
Batter up? What better to do on a stormy Saturday afternoon?
Clues: Review your sixth grade history lessons. Before the ayattolah came to power. A CEO in the Bush II administration.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 6:33 PM RATS!!!
Oh, I see the error. Silly.
[url="http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/cnpp2003/CNPP_Webpage/p pages/..\countryprofiles\Iran\Iran2003.htm”
]IAEA[/url]
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 6:35 PM Can’t seem to set a space between the a and h.
Oh, well. A copy and paste in the address bar will pull up information about Iran from the IAEA website.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 6:37 PM When one has nothing to say at all, just don’t bother, how about you give it a try, WTH?
Rabbit has as you can see, something to say, and it was in reply to the ridiculous little blurted twaddl;e posted by In HI sMInd, which has somehow gotten you all excited.
Anyway WTH why do you bother? You seldom read what Rabbit writes, and your reaction to InHisMind’s ad hominem and utterly pointless attack on Rabbit.
Was that brief, WTH?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 8:18 PM InHisMind
Why do you persist in acting the goat to try and bother the rabbit?
Rabbit is indeed a grown man, and a fairly serious one too. If you think it is childish that Rabbit prefers his chosen method of communication, then perhaps you should be able come up with something more mature than criticism of form and imagined faults.
InHisMind has said nothing, except how much the rabbit obviously disturbs him. I have already pointyed out, that the very presentation of Rabbit is intended to annoy Morons, and Dickheads. Rabbit’s friends can confirm for him that it is quite effetcive. The few people who have ever been foolish enough to jump to the sort of conclusions you do, and who criticise Rabbit for the resons you do, have all proven to be complete idiots. The jury is more or less out on whether you are a complete idiot, or are just having a period of idiocy, as seen by your crappy postings. You are not Jay DeCline by any chance? You sound as vacuous as he, and it would explain the instant dislike you have shown to Rabbit.
Perhaps since you are obviously so much more clued up on the Middle East, you can educate us all? Sure we have not mader the same mistake ourselves and that’s how you recognised it? If you are the cowardly Jay you sure made that mistake before.
Anyway, InHisMind, there is as yet no debate going on with Rabbit, he laid a trap, you fell in it, and are trying to salvage some sort of pride, which isn’t working as it happens because you are saying nothing. You obviously have a beef with ITT, and it must annoy you that I’m not prepared to shorten your craven handle to ITT. InHisMind is just so much more appropriate, and Rabbit seeks appropriate names for things including himself.
Rabbit is pretending nothing, he is as honest and true to his character as anybody could be, and it just so happens, you unimaginative TROLL, for you are indeed a troll, (He is isn’t he guys? He is doing the official troll thing this time, not just Rabbit’s definition.), it just so happens that Rabbit is born in the Chinese year of the Rabbit.
What problem do you have with rabbits anyway? Did one piss in your eye or something?
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 8:33 PM WTH.
You are as always spouting double strandards.
How about a UN oversight agency on treatment of Iranian gays?
Now WTH does that seem right to you does it?
Well don’t you think you as an American are disqualified from demanding UN or any international oversight of human rights? After all the USA has either refused to join most human rights treaties, it has withdrawn from most international trreaties and broken the rest. The USA is a nation which uses banned weapons of war, who attacks civilians with Weapons of Mass Destruction and who refuses to join the entire remainder of the world in trying to do something about the environment. The USA is responsible for the worsening conditions for women and children in many nations.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 9:30 PM The USA practices Torture on a large scale and clearly does so indiscriminately. The USA arrests and locks up its own citizens withouit charge and it certainly indulges in kidnap and inmcarceration beyond the rule of law or morals.
Thje USA executes and imprisons the greatest number of its own people of any developed nation and the court sytem is obviously quite corrupt. With money you walk, without it you’re forked.
So dear little WTH don’t be acting like a hypocrite now will you. You worry about human rights in your own sinking ship, and leave others to solve theior own problems.
Who knows if you mugs were not so busy spending all your money trying to interfere with other nations, maybe you could solve a few problems of your own..
How can a supposedly Christian Nation ignore so many basic Christian tenets and still try to call the kettle black?
How about removing that log from your eyes and you might notice that the rest of the world isn’t inferior to you after all. In fact the only thing superior in the USA today, is your Military and as said it is being wasted in petty things.
Of course the War mongerers are not concerned. They figure that as the US economy falls more as poverty spreads more people will join the armed forces. The need for cannon fodder is still high, the subjugation of other countries will have to continue apace now as more and more become dissilusioned with the American way, and turn their backs on the currency. Each nation which tries to break away from Dollar dominance will be the latest enemy.
You can’t go on like this forever though, and not only are you running out of friends, you are gaining more and more enemies.
Eventually your country will be invaded. You want to hope that it is a humane country, who has furthermore not been subject to your inhumane treatment.
You want to hope that the countries which will eventually dominate you are not still pissed off at having been subjected to Depleted Uranium, arbittrary detention and widespread torture. You want to hope that you are not the most decent humane nation in the world, because if you are then you are going to be shit out of luck the day you no longer call the shots.
Posted by GhostRabbit on Jan 7, 2006 at 9:46 PM I can see the pattern clearly, Rabbitoni. Though I, at first, resisted the term “moron”, I have changed my mind. It’s as fair a word as any for a lot of honking geese that are apparently incapable of entertaining any thoughts but their own, and those they recognize without having to challenge themselves.
It wasn’t that long ago that I said that I have never met a stupid person. Perhaps I’ve been too tolerant---oh, what the hell---I have been.
Never bought that no such thing as a stupid question bit---that’s for suckers and people who never met a four year old; but I am beginning to think that some people are so simple-mind and their thoughts so unexamined that it is an act of passsive-aggressive hostility on their part to enter into a conversation that is more complex than opinion polls.
I can no longer remember why I ever thought that everyone is interesting.
Stay fresh. Sleep well, mon rabbit.
Not gonna hold my breath waiting for an intelligent post from “In Those Times”. Even his handle is derivative in the most unflattering sense of the word.
Have found very interesting articles about Iran and the history of their nuclear power programs. Rat is very intrigued at how simple it is not.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 7, 2006 at 9:56 PM “Ghost Rabitt” and “Wileywitch” - you are, of course, two different “Progessives”. I just checked in after seeing the White Stripes- I did this b/c I know loser Progessives hang around websites all day - and I needed my entertainment. Honestly, it’s the weekend guys, don’t be like an ITT editor, take some time to chill.
Posted by InThoseTimes on Jan 7, 2006 at 10:59 PM Wow....
I see two young men , apparently ‘lynched’, in the lead photo for an article on the state of sexual freedom in the Mid East....
and then move on to the homophobia in this site( is it a phobia if you only act embarrassed, and then make weird comments about the ‘fishy’ taste and smell of a female ? The first time I ever went to a clam bake I thought “This place smells like a New Orleans whore house”, and then I noted the guys who gobbled down the unshelled clams. I figured they were on my side of the fence. A good time was had by all that night, lol))
How about attacking each other like rats in a cage , we talk about these hopeful young men....
why were they vilified for their dream of happiness?
How can we make the world a better place, so our young do not die for such stupid reasons?
Posted by minerva on Jan 8, 2006 at 4:10 AM Heh there, InHisMind.
You already had your small ideas set straight about why Rabbit can spend a few hours of most days on the net, and don’t worry most of my time is spent on research.
Now projecting one’s own foibles onto others is quite recognisable as a failing of morons, like yourself. Truly Rabbit is forced to call you a moron and a Troll for you have done nothing on this site but carry on like a full blown Troll.
Rabbit gets a kick out of annoying wankers like you, it is true. But since he must stay within range of his factory while the oven is running and boats to make, it is actually the best way to pass the time. In addition he gets to meet lovely and interesting people like Luminous beauty, WileyWitch and Dave, also many others.
Now for you, with the affliction just soundly described by Wiley above, obviously finding such as us is aggravating to you, you are lashing out at these people who are collectively demoloishing your illusory beliefs, and since you are incapable engaging intelligenta nd reasoned people in a competant manner, you stick to what you think you do best and that is to be arrogant and superior and contemptuous and RUDE.
Well laddy I’ve got news for you. You are not very good at that either. I don’t know about others, but the rabbit is enjoying your foolish antic immensely. You are a much better Troll in this guise, Jay if it’s you, but you still are lousy at the putdowns. If you are a new Troll, do make a point of visiting occassioanally, we do have a few on site, but in truth the battering they have taken has made them all quite skittish of late. Can’t pin Jay, or WTH or Scorpy down to anything beyond a couple of guerilla posts, and then they are away like a fart on the wind.
Now apart from wanting to tell everybody else they shouldn’t be posting on forums such as this, and apart from pointing out that you have surely got a more constructive life than Rabbit, did you have anything to say about Gay Iranians?
By the way you ignoramis, has it never ocurred to you, that the rabbit may have been a paraplegic, with terminal cancer who could do no more than interact with the world than by the internet? How would you know? Dickhead!
It so happens that the rabbit is a barrel of sinew and muscle who kayaks regularly, .and who fantasises about ripping the head off morons and jamming it where the sun don’t shinen’t shine.
Which just goes to show the internet has advantages for you too InHisMind.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 5:54 AM Minerva, Rabbit will have to answer you on several accounts.
Now rabbit was not embarrassed by anything sweety. He is not homophobic either. Rabbit agrees with Mr Renses honest acessment referenced above, to a degree. Neither he nor I are wishing to dictate to anyone about how they live their lives. Rabbit has had several Gay friends, including a couple of lesbian Bikers, who asked him to provide sperm for a child. Rabbit agreed but Mrs Rabbit did not, as that went. Rabbit has not completely made up his mind about Gay couple raising children, but my main comment about it is that if they choose to, then it is a lot better than the lot of many children in abusive or otherwise dysfunctional families.
Rabbit finds the sight of two men kissing and fondling each other to be repulsive, but as Mr Rense put it, he also finds the sight of any two people kissing and fondling each other in public to be disgusting. (Mildly so) This relates to my sensibilities and has nothing to do with any phobias. the fact that homosexual sex, even the thought of it turns me off is entirely natural and to be expected because I am a very heterosexual rabbit. If in the midst of a natural encounter with a chosen mate, the rabbit wants to prolong his orgasm he thinks of a couple of men having it off. This only needs to be a few seconds worth or its enough to make the rabbit meat soft. Sorry if certain wack brained ninnies would like to claim I have a problem, I don’t. I am happily hetero, and respectful of Homos, but I am not caught up in some sort of freakfest notion which seems to be more and more prevalent, that Gay is normal. It is normal for those who are gay, as for the rest of us, we can take it or leave it. Nobody has a right to do anything to anybody against their wishes, unless they are a parent or guardian and it is in your best interests. Society has no moral right to dictate sexuality but nor do they have any moral right to dictate what we choose to do with our own bodies in any way.
If the comments about female fishies was weird to you Minerva that is only fair because you are a bit weird yourself, no offence. Rabbit mentioned nothing about taste, and he happens to love oysters. Clams are nice too, but Mussels....erk.
Rabbit was only being flippant in his first post, baiting for Homophobes and any other assorted morons anyway, and if Minerva has read the rest of this thread she’ll get it.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 6:27 AM How can we make the world a better place, so our young do not die for such stupid reasons
This is really simple, at least the first step. We stop mucking around in each others business unless we can do it without imposing or killing people.
Frankly the whole idea of an American asking what should we do about a social problem in Iran, is absolutely beyond the pale. It is exactly what is wrong with a large part of the world. Either they are struggling under the none too tender ministrations of a rampant military power intent upon dominating the world by force in preference to discussion to keep it’s own currency supreme and thus by defacto own the world’s energy supplies. Either that or they are suffering under regimes which are either a creation of that same rampant pirate state, or they are a reaction to it, the same for the people in the end.
very simply put Minerav, it is the American attitude that they have the right to dictate to others which drives so many suffering muslims further into the arms of the most extreme sections for all others are under US control and are nopt acting in the intersests of the people. Try Iraq now, try Turkeym try Egypt, try Saudi Arabia, try Kuwait, the nastiest little mob of the lot.
Jesus Christ, do you clowns even know that Kuwait was actually a nastier regime that Hussein and they had antagonised Iraq by stealing their oil. By slant drilling into the Iraqi Oilfields. Damn me if you wouldn’t attack a country who was doing that to American OIL.
Hell that’s rhetoric. You have just invaded another country to steal THIER OIL, and are getting ready to do it again. Shit a brick, they haven’t even made a new record, they just replay the old one, with Iraq deleted and Iran in its place.
There is only one letter difference, what american will notice?
I thought we was invadin Iran last time
Nuh that was Iraq
Iraq ,Iran whats the difference they’s all Arabs and Muslim terrorists,
That’s true, and they got our oil under em too.
Sure we gotta have the oil, they don’t need it anyway, they don’t got nothing to use it for, living in tents and all. All there houses is blowed up and their cars is all blowed up. we might as well just take the oil and send them a few million tents when we get back home.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 6:27 AM Oh and Minerva Rabbit is quite close to his male friends. As an Aries he finds it easy to be quite personal and even on intinate terms (Non-sexual) with Virgo men especially. Having experienced this a few times it made sense when I read this was typical one day. I am not ashamed to cry and do so a lot more easily than Mrs Rabbit, especially about some movies or songs.
Not the sloppy romantic stuff though, it is mostly too obviously presented for a third party, the real thing is just that for Rabbit. He is not a window shopper and he believes that most movies about relationships hamper rather than help women especially to find true and simple happiness in a real relationship which is always so much more nuanced than the celluloid version.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 6:38 AM Rabbit, says…
“WTH.
You are as always spouting double strandards.
How about a UN oversight agency on treatment of Iranian gays?
Now WTH does that seem right to you does it?”Rabbit — Go check the context. Then look up “sarcasm” in a dictionary
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 8, 2006 at 11:07 AM Rabbit,
FYI
A dictionary has no story line — it is book which gives the meaning for words.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 8, 2006 at 11:09 AM Rabbit,
The last was a bit of sarcasm.
P.S. Sorry you were upset by my (apparently poor) attempt at humor in describing you in your kayak attack mode.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 8, 2006 at 11:12 AM In those times, is it the “weekend” for everyone? Is everyone required to spend their weekends the way you see fit? If you live your life so much better than “liberals” why do you keep dropping by a site that appears to be trying to be liberal?
What must one do to give themselves as much credit as you give yourself for posting on this board?
What is it that you find so wrong about reading and writing?
Just doing your duty, I suppose.
You still haven’t said anything intelligent. Does the threat still stand? Are you going to educate the “liberals” you appear to know so well?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 8, 2006 at 12:27 PM Rabbitello, when I saw your recommendation for the human rights commission, I was a little embarrassed that I hadn’t thought of that bit of decency.
We got kicked out of the Human Rights Commision at least five years ago.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 8, 2006 at 12:31 PM So, Minerva, what do you think the U.S. should do about the lack of freedom in Iran, and the harshness with which they deal with issues of sexuality?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 8, 2006 at 12:32 PM Apparently, the role of the president as civilian oversight of the military is completely lost on the president and his advisors.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 8, 2006 at 1:05 PM Damn...WTH .....Rabbit just lost the first half of this post.
In brief though I wanted to say rabbit can appreciate the sarcasm though was a bit slow on the uptake at the time due to rushing down the list a bit, and being already peeved at WTH for backing what was a completely unprovoked and gratuitous attack on the rabbit, from some moron, who even WTH might have noticed did nothing but be a Troll. Not a word and he fell into an obvious troll trap to boot.
The rabbit was using your comment to launch one of his rants about US abuses, you should know Rabbit cannot resist the chance, you could almost call it a rabbit trap, to give him the chance.
Also hope you appreciate that the apparently backhanded New Years wish was thye best I could do. I am sure that you will be beggining to awaken this year, and once the process begins it will progress rapidly from you heart to your brain and then your mind.......
Unfortunately not very much of the reality of the world at the moment, especially the reasons behind it all and what is to come yet, is going to make you happy. It just doesn’t work like that.
My earnest wish is for you to stop drinking the Koolaid, and to this end I am forced to wish you a frightening year, but i will temper that with an earnest wish for your and your family’s safety, and may this be a positive year for you.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 8:22 PM The bit that was to follow the lost post.
This is also why so many of us are so denigrating of, not those who disagree with us as you oversimply believe, but those who are prepared to argue opinions about things of which they refuse to even consider. To be on the outer box looking in is so obvious once you are there. You can’t possibly percieve of how clear things are from outside the box, whilst in it. Unfortunately it is hard to remember which is why so many of us can be so demeaning of you when you espouse views which are simply incompatible with reality. That is not to say that some of our reactions or conclusions may not be at fault, even if by a few degrees, but we are able to sort this out amongst ourselves, since we deal in Reason and a Real desire for the Real answers, not the answers we want, it isn’t hard for us to come to a joint conclusion despite initial differences. The difference is invariably information one or the other had not previously known about. It is that easy, and I think WTH reads more than he posts, I hope so, for there is a pattern to a discerning mind, and it isn’t any of the things people like Natty, Jay or even yourself from time to time accuses us of.
Anyway WTH, I hope you and yours has a SAFE and positive New Year. Rabbit also apologises for calling you a Larval Troll. This isn’t to say he won’t do it again,, he kind of likes the term at the moment and as you have correctly pointed out Rabbit is a bit weird sometimes.
I am actually glad to see you about, I still have faith that your superior soul will eventually break free. You just need to stop drinking the Koolaid they ladle out. Or at least start reading the antidote, just keep informed of what strangeness folks like Rabbit and many millions worldwide read. Honestly you would enjoy a lot of the articles Rense reports. They are far more balanced about the coverage they give, and I swear they don’t report on news. They provide a selection of contextual news from sources worldwide. The shills like Natalie try to paint it as some sort of conspiracy site, it is no such thing and to suggest so is lunacy. The editors obviously believe in a number of “conspiracy theories” which as you could soon learn are only being called theories by us because we try more than you could know to avoid ruffling the feathers of the “Wrong”.
This doesn’t mean they don’t report honestly on the subjects of many things. Anyway you can check this out immediately, assuming there is any doubt.
You can avoid the opinion pieces if they sicken you, and just catch up on the news from day to day, but at least in this way you would know what the Downing Street memo’s were a year ago, or you might know that Martial law has been declared in five American States, for no apparent reason, (Which it hasn’t, but you probably won’t see it on the news if it were so.) Anyway, at least if you read the news outside of what you are being almost force fed, you will have a better chance of making a dent in some of our armour. Otherwise you may never know the sheer joy of crushing some moron like a bug for his complete lack of clues, reason or imagination.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 8:22 PM For what our pipsqueak nation is worth, we have a pretty poor relationship with human rights organisations too.
Never forget that in Oz we have the slickest NWO bastard to run a country like a private enterprise, and all the while pulling the wool over the eys of the sheeple.
JOHNNY HOWARD… the Teflon Arsehole
Fucking little prick.....
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 8:26 PM BUT we do not use depleted Uranium, Napalm or chemical /nuclear weapons generally.
If anybody tried to pull off a US style election campaign here they would be laughed out of the country.
BTW these was to Wiley. Wiley there was a rather upbeat feeing to the link I gave above, at Prison Planet, if you have not read it. It’s encouraging and you sound like you need a bit.
Rabbit loves you.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 8, 2006 at 8:39 PM I didn’t know about the DU used in Gulf I and Kosovo. I know almost next to nothing about the whole Bosnia, Sarajevo, and Kosovo situation and almost regret the time I spent as a media hermit.
It’s all so horribly tragic.
Read the link you posted on 9/11 thread. It’s nice to see it out like that. Thanks for the encouragement. I’m going to be tired of being nice for a little while. Would rather just throw in another cartridge, and rat-a-tat-tat!!!
I’ve known since I was a child that people (in my country) often confuse kindness with weakness. It should not come as a surprize that 30--40 years later so many people around me have conflated security with domination.
I think we can do much better. If we survive learning the hard way then we’ll get by.
I love you too, Rabbitissimo.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 8, 2006 at 11:53 PM We’ve survived and obviously learned. We are surrounded by more and more who have too. we may not be able to alter the course of current human history by much, but we ahve altered the course of human history in the sense that we may just have the dge it is going to take some to survive onto the next stage. Maybe a rebuilding, it seems more and more likely there won’t be enough left to fix, by the time the wheel stops spinning. But we may just have the edge, not least because we may be on the verge of attracting external intervention by virtue of our.......virtue?
Just when we get told to get aboard, and don’t look back, don’t look back. Rabbit would hate to have a WileyWitch sized Pillar of Salt to lug around instead of another companion.
It’s what I’m trying to get at in “New Man?” There appears to have been a physical effort to ensure the survival of the race at various times in it’s history, if my suspicions about certain achaelogical evidence, and doctrinal/mythical and legengary types too are right, there may be something to the christian idea of a rapture. I very much doubt it will be in the form that most of them envision. I doubt too that the majority of people caught up in such a hypothetical rapture will even be Christian. I think you know what I mean about the New Man sort of being, us. You and I. Dave. Lume, you have no doubt a few others you know, not just on the net, but as contact friends, Rabbit knows many and greets them in turn as they come through his funny little factory. These are superior people. We don’t see ourselves as such, in the same way that Morons and Trolls think they are so smart. Or in the way Americans or Australians even might assume superiority to each other in normal daily conversation, or to others. Rabbit means superior, in that we are a finer, more rational, more compassionate, more aware and ultimately more powerful example of humanity.
The self proclaimed Uber Race and it’s adherants are actually the old guard, trying to get up enough steam to stop us from displacing them as the dominant species.
They will fail.
We are the end product of all the evolution which brought us here. They are an old and familiar version, their ideas are old, and long since stale. They have a false an understanding of life from the top of their Illuminati towers to the bottom of the ranks of braindead sheeple lapping up the Koolaid without query. They are dinosaurs as rabbit’s friend Fraser Clark calls them. They are dying out for real this time. (ironically enough the real dinosaurs never really died out it would seem likely to be confirmed about the same time as these ones do)
But they cannot prevail, we are superior in that we are a new breed, a more worthy human. I say this without any feeling of personal triumph, merely a recognition that it is so.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 9, 2006 at 1:07 AM Whoa there.
Slow down, Rabbit. You need to look at what YOU just said.“...we are superior in that we are a new breed, a more worthy human. I say this without any feeling of personal triumph, merely a recognition that it is so.”
Yet, just before the above you said, “The self proclaimed Uber Race and it’s adherants are actually the old guard...”
Looks a lot like self-proclamation from here. I guess I must have missed the Uber Race proclamation — as well as the Second Coming.
Life is taking up too much of my time.
Posted by whattheheck on Jan 9, 2006 at 11:43 AM Well, WTH, I have mixed feelings about Rabbit’s post. And I can see why you would react as you did. But I also understand what he’s saying.
I would not personally use the word “superior” or make such a claim for myself or anyone else, and I wouldn’t count anybody out. The “don’t look back, lest you turn into a pillar of salt” thought struck me true.
I would use the term “adaptable” for people most likely to survive the next decade. I’m not sure I want to survive as long as luck and skill might have it. Survival is and always has been a “proof in the pudding” sort of thing.
Nevertheless, I study issues of sustainability and collect some serious reference books and tools. After I finish going through my mailbox and checking out posts, I’m going to do the paperwork for vocational rehab, so maybe I can go back to school and study horticulture. In the future, I would like to learn, then teach people how to make healthy tilth, grow food, and integrate sustainable practices and habits into their daily lives.
(Am looking forward to spring. It’s been raining for months.)
Uhhh. Gay people too? There isn’t a lot that can be said about this situation in Iran, is there? It’s harsh.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 9, 2006 at 3:16 PM That does it. I am NOT attending the Gay Pride parade in Teheran.
Posted by opeluboy on Jan 9, 2006 at 7:33 PM Indeed.
As for WTH you go back and read what Rabbit just wrote, Wiley got it, as i expected she would, you will have to read it a bit more slowly yourself and note a few things at the same time.
Self Appointed, is not the same as ONE rabbit making an observation.
Note please the distinction which whilst not well developed was their for the reading.
”We don’t see ourselves as such, in the same way that Morons and Trolls think they are so smart.”
Furthermore due to the considerably more nuanced and reasoned opinions we predictably wack morons with, due to the fact that we are invariably on the side of the better, the gentler, the more reasoned approach, it must be fair to say:
Rabbit means superior, in that we are a finer, more rational, more compassionate, more aware and ultimately more powerful example of humanity.
Thus the nature of the superiority is defined and unless you do not see these characteristics as superior to coarser, less compassionate, less aware and cowardly, then I guess that is that argument sewn up once and for all.
What was that excellent observation you once made about Rabbit? Was it smug?
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 12:05 AM Wiley Rabbit doesn’t really think superior is the right word, and adaptible might be closer. It is certainly why we have advanced in thinking. We have adapted to reality more quickly than those who are still struggling to maintain an illusion.
Superior was bound to get some reaction though so the naughty rabbit left it lying there as a beacon.
Notice that WTH is not the same as other morons, Wiley, he is actually Rabbit’s friend but just doesn’t know it yet. His house is all prepared and he will come and live in it one day. He is the reluctant penguin. The one who watches the other penguins all hopping off the ice floe, and he can also see a bunch of other penguins all holding back, saying no no, the Sharks are about. The penguin cannot see any sharks, but he can occassionally see shadows under the water, which leave him unsure, else he would have jumped into the water already. He hangs back, wanting to follow the flock, but disturbed by how many of us seem so sure we see sharks. Will the Penguin hop after the flock or will he hang back cautiously? WTH is Rabbit’s reluctant Penguin. Unfortunately he needs to step back from the edge a bit more, for it is receding too, and come a bit further away from the edge and he might also be able to see the sharks like the rest of us.
Don’t you be worrying yourself about this WTH. It will help you to forgive Rabbit one day when you can see even when you were on the verge of being a Larval Troll, Rabbit still thought of you as a reluctant Penguin.
What I am saying is that WTH does not seem like one who is meant to get eaten by the sharks, though most of those he agrees with at the moment are destrined to be Shark poo.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 12:17 AM Did you know, Rabbitillo, that penguins also crowd around the edge of an ice flo, look around the water, and then one penguin or another pushes a penguin into the water to test for sharks? That’s the penguin no one wants to be. I lived and served various leadership roles in student housing coops in college. Founded one other with a couple of coop-mates. The mascott for the corporation was a penguin. Many of us agreed that leadership was a lot like being that penguin that gets shoved into the water.
Yeah, yeah. I need to be called down now and then. Thnx.
Soooo---
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 10, 2006 at 12:26 AM Ha ha ha .....hA HA HA.....
The nasty rabbit is in stitches imagining the penguin getting shoved in like that. ha ha ha......
Rabbit’s sides are hurting. ...........^^...............
I just lost a post to you Wiley, but the issue will come up again.
It relates to something which will come up if you grab a front row seat to Armageddon, which I’m sure you will.
The short version says, Permaculture....Horticulture is a a waste, take up the wondrous cause of Permaculture.
Bill Mollison and permaculture, Google it. You may ask the rabbit what is his experience of it later and he will explain what we got out of ten years of living a virtually self sufficient lifestyle, upon these principles. But ask me at the front row seats, it relates to something which I mention once only and will not otherwise discuss much. What I’m doing when the big one goes down, or what and where.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 12:52 AM Heh Wiley, here’s a little snack, if you want one, though it looks like the morons are yet to react to the rabbit’s hand grenades. You might find something worth throwing in here, before the thread is done. I’ve never been near that site before by the way. Do check out where Richard the Marine links to as an eye opener. See if you notice the Shill trick of calling the most articulate poster the site owner in the probable expectation that it wouldn’t be disputed. or something like that.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 1:00 AM We may be on the verge of violence the likes of which most of us have never seen, and no one in their right mind would ever hope for.
I know I want to start talking seriously about our pending strike against Iran. Or Israels’ strike.
Any takers? This is much bigger than sexuality, of course, but at least the name Iran is up there.
Hey, ITT? Any pending-strikes-on-Iran articles being thrown your way?
I’ve noticed lately, a couple of patterns in the alternative news sites I haunt regularly. The first pattern I noticed was a bait-and switch type format showing up so often, that I am already behind the task of sending e-mails to the webmasters of a few sites to ask them if they are reading articles in their entirety before posting.
The second pattern I’ve seen in the last couple of days is articles stating that Iran is about to finish a nuclear weapons program. I don’t know if I missed something or what. I don’t see any mention of why this is an issue, I’ve just seen it repeated over and over again as if that had always been the case.
I’ll look for some updates and do a little digging tomorrow before I head off to work. My understanding---until very recently---was that Iran is about to get fuel rods that Russia has been holding on to, to start their nuclear reactors for the purpose of producing energy.
I don’t know if it’s getting any press with the MSM. I watched some national and local news with a friend today, and didn’t notice any mention of it. Then again, I wasn’t exactly glued to the television. I have a friend who tells riveting stories about impending doom. (Tonight was a three beer for damage control night. Man he’s depressing sometimes.)
Back to Iran:
I’m not saying that they aren’t planning on building some bombs---how the hell would I know?---what I am saying is that I don’t think it’s too far off the mark to consider that they might, in earnest, be planning on generating a good deal of their energy with nuclear power plants.
I’ve been combing through a lot of articles, especially in the National Security Archive and it looks to me like there are a surprizing number of really good reasons for Iran to have such a facility. One reason, is that the oil is worth more to them as a commodity for trade, than it is worth for them to meet their energy needs. Another, is that the Iranian population has tripled in the last decade (though their energy use has increased far less than that.)
It’s perfectly legal for Iran to have a nuclear power plant, btw, and they have natural uranium ore deposits.
I know very little about Iran.
Anybody? News?? Iinformation??? Thoughts????
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 10, 2006 at 1:02 AM Wow, Rabbierto, it gives the impression that the shill was sitting and waiting like a spider. Probably they have a little more electronic savvy, but the effect is disturbing.
Thanks for ratting that out. I’m not inherently suspicious in conversational mode, for some reason. I tend to take what people say at face value. (Must be the Ox in me).
Sneakiness rules the day, so anti-venom is good.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 10, 2006 at 1:30 AM Rabbit is something between the Ram and the Rabbit, as you know. That site is hotting up, I think we have a bite, Donny is the man. Excuse the arrogance of my reply to him, it is designed to get as far up the prick’s nose as possible, as quick as possible, Rabbit’s strategy for hit and run missions like this. as compared with his “Occupation” of ITT. Here the rabbit patrols his self assigned parts of the ITT field. Sticking to what he knows, or cares about.
Keeping the Trolls and Morons down, guiding the shills away from their assignments and using them instead for our own cause.
This is a kind of ambush which Rabbit occasionally indulges in. He has gained a friend or two from such exercises and has had lots of fun too. The Aussie Ultrafart was seen for the first time yesterday, on another site, and also the one trick pony Rumplestiltskin.
The co-incidence is not as it seems. They are obviously readers of rense too, which is the original source for finding these articles for Rabbit.
About Iran, Wiley, it is top of the pops, (sorry for the flippancy God), for Rabbit at the moment.
Look by Rabbit’s field and you’ll see what I mean. I’ve lots of stuff been gathering in a favorites folder all of it’s own, for the last six months, since it became apparent what exactly was going on and why. Iran is the end game for the Neo-cons, to some degree, Iraq is but a stepping stone. The fact then that they don’t seem to have realised that this stone is a crocodile is even more worrying when one considers that they are about to go Iran. I’d suggest we get our act together at the field, compare our notes and then get ready for what may be the last opportunity we get to post on the internet for a while.
In the same spirit <a href="as Otis said “I am going outside and I may be some time. ..</a> it may be our last opportunity to observe and comment upon the global events which define our World reality.
Start over at the rabbit’s field and read the Doug Herman piece, it took me a moment to realise it wasn’t a fatual report for a moment.
Here and now, it would be pearls before oinkers....
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 2:21 AM Oh and Wiley, Rabbit is just as gullible too on face value but it was later down the thread that it became clear that Theo wasn’t the site owner, a fact which was immaterial to my comment, that I checked the Richard’s link and found he was from that den of shills.
Then it looked even better when several more of the same ilk popped in. the timings are tight even though they are not noted on the posts. replys have been within minuytes. This is always a good sign. A determined quarry. Someone with a mission, a guard post perhaps?
One simply throws a stone out and they walk straight out to investigate, or they cut loose with their hair trigger which is even better as they highlight their weapons and reduce their ammo.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 2:28 AM as Otis said “I am going outside and I may be some time. ..
Fixed, I hope....^^
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 10, 2006 at 2:39 AM Rabbitite, me and Clouds have The Endurance on dvd. I love it! It is amazing what we humans can endure, and how little our survival depends on things.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 10, 2006 at 2:29 PM For the sake of posterity, Rabbit will summarise.
It would seem that we are all more or less tolerant of gays, wherever they are. However the American Gay community which is otherwise always represented on any forum Rabbit has seen about Western Gay issues, has been conspicuously absent on this thread where at least a few of the comments would normally have drawn a Shrill response. This is a little sad, because it probably indicates that our gay community does not have any better empathy or consideration of their fellow man than the rest of us, after all.
Rabbit for one will remember this.........
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2006 at 9:13 PM The point, if it was clouded, is that these are Iranian Gays, and so not the same as usual Gay issues.
or so it would seem.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2006 at 9:16 PM Talking about conspicuous absences---well, not conspicuous---you’re an Aussie (Rabbittoire), Dave’s a Canadian, as you both know. Where are the Brits? The Dutch? Where’s the coalition of the willing people?
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 11, 2006 at 9:32 PM They are around. A brit or two have been by, but they are a bit flibbery. ( I have no idea ) The Germans are known, at least Anarcho-Sozi and another I can’t recall just now.
One often comes across the Dutch but not sure if any here. Also French.
There is no real co-alition of the willing, there is just the remnants of past connections.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2006 at 10:09 PM Ya, I know they aren’t really “willing” Rabbitango. I wonder why they aren’t here giving us hell.
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 11, 2006 at 10:54 PM Rabbit knows what you meant. Having also thought about this to be honest, my conclusion is that there are just so many forums, the real connections are so diluted if you know what Rabbit means.
As certain information nexus sites become central as happens with such as ICH, Rense and Prison Planet for example, this will hopefully lead to more complete coverage.
Stll, in truth most of the switched on minds, an overwhelming majority if one ignores the circle jerks known as Right wing sites, are aware of pretty much most of what matters.
Hopefully we are all proselytising as much in the rest of our lives.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 12, 2006 at 12:45 AM Having watched two hours of CNN today, I am not feeling encouraged. The spin was nauseating.
Tomorrow I’ll howl at network news with my friend the king of catastrophe.
Perhaps, this weekend, I’ll manage to strike up some discussion about Iran in reality, and Iran in the spin machine. Maybe I’ll figure out how a nuclear power plant is a nuclear weapons program.
Maybe this article was an attempt to get American ^. . ^ gays fired up in protest against Iran. = =
Posted by wileywitch on Jan 12, 2006 at 1:34 AM We are all character experiments when seen from one perspective.
Posted by Rabbit on Jan 12, 2006 at 6:16 AM “Homosexual acts have been considered a capital crime in Iran since the 1979 revolution that brought the Ayatollah Khomeini to power. Iranians found guilty of gay lovemaking are given a choice of four death styles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword or dropped from the highest perch.”
I read stuff like this, right next to a photo of two young guys who are young enough to be in my class getting strung up. Because they got off with each other. Because they made love.
That’s what can happen when sectarian zealots and fundi dogmatists get ahold of the law. Beware! This is what they do. This is what they think is right and holy. Do you really think it’s only possible in Iran?? Could it not happen somewhere not so far from your neighborhood in the future? A year, a decade, a generation from now?
The two young men didn’t murder anyone, didn’t hurt anyone at all. No one was raped. No crime against anyone was commited.
They were executed because they made love.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I consider this article one of the scariest I’ve read in quite some time.
They were hung by the necks until they were dead. Because they made love.
Base criminal law on religious scripture. Go for it. Make the Bible or Quran your Constitution. See what you get.
They were snuffed at the start of their young lives because they kissed, touched each other, held the sensuous warmth of each other, came with each other.
That was their crime. They made love.
To admonish religious neutrality in law is of course what I am doing, but placed alongside of this terrible and frightening event, it just comes out pallid.
See them there swinging, necks popped and shitting themselves? It’s because they made love with each other.
Posted by Kuya on Jan 14, 2006 at 11:56 AM Rabbit..I am intrigued by your argument..so as a supposed ‘American’, I have no hope of understanding the atrocity of young men in Iran being lynched for ‘fancying’ one another? ( I guess ‘fancy’ is not the correct term, eh? Men in societies which strictly control the availability of female sexuality unto the point of death frequently condone boy on boy..and prostitute… action until it disturbs the determined order of things...anyone who imagines themselves in love with someone of the same sex must be very disturbed, rabid, weird, and suicidal. But what do I know? I’m obviously a robot of the American Media, in spite of my Canadianism, and my itinerant worker status).
Please...what does another colonist sensibility have that you feel so comfortable in correcting my thinking?
Are you better connected to humanity than I?
Are you closer to the problem, coming from the other side of the equator.
Last time I checked, Iran was on my side of the globe, lol.
I guess that makes me some sort of ‘expert’ on the subject…
And what sort of herbs are you ingesting on the ‘old’ homestead, lol?
Posted by minerva on Jan 15, 2006 at 11:11 PM Minerva you are a wee bit off kilter dear.
Rabbit has no idea what argument of his you are referring to.
Rabbit does not recall calling you an American. Having just read it he did indeed, so sorry.
Now at least I know what the hell you’re talking about.
Look Minerva the main thrust of Rabbit’s post to you was that you are making a number of assumptions about Rabbit’s attitudes and are basically accusing him of being Homophobic which he is not. Nor am I anti-semitic but have been called that too. Drop the labels, read what people say and don’t go applying your presumed moral superiority so uncritically.
Simply put, go and find someone you disagree with to argue with. You and Rabbit have no significant differences.
You are arguing an anti Homophobic line with a man who is neither homophobic or intolerant having already made clear that I mostly support gay couples having children, so get over it. Sorry if there are no homophobes for you to beat up on, frankly I’m comfortable enough with my gay friends that I can make carpet muncher jokes with the Dykes and call them Dykes and just as easily call my gay men friends Poofs to their face. If it is done with accepatance which it is, and with humour which it is.
In case Minerva hasn’t noticed the comparison, men and women, who are both accepting of each others sexual differences are quite able to make sexist jokes in each others company, at least where I come from.
What is the difference then if I tell a gay joke, or make a ribald remark, provided it was not done to denigrate but in humour? Any more than if someone told a joke about Aussies.
The thing is, where I live, and this appears to be a difference and it may be significant. We don’t take ourselves all that seriously.
Now due to the tone of your reply and fact that your teeth seem to be locked firmly about the rabbit’s foot still, it seems that this is not so of your neighborhood?
In the spirit of this accepting shared ribaldry, then, Rabbit has this to say to Kuya.
Kuya
They were snuffed at the start of their young lives because they kissed, touched each other, held the sensuous warmth of each other, came with each other.
Must we be quite so graphic daaarling?
It sounds not unlike something Daddy Bush might have been into, with all that touching, coming and snuffing of young innocent male lives.
It is tragic, and the message is; what religious zealots are capable of.
Straight girls who have been raped in Iran often are murdered by their families due to the stigma. Isn’t that even more tragic? Or at least just as much?
Just pointing out what should be obvious, this is not an isolated instance of cruelty or inhumanity of this particular religious zealotry. Gays are no more the victims than many other non-conforming people, or marginalised ones.
We have also practised severe persecution of gays and other groups even more so, in our societies, even unto death penalty.
Islam is much younger than Christianity and at a similar period of it’s history was a much more brutal and barbarous religion, a fact which is seldom taken into account when Christiansd point the finger at Islam.
At the present rate, Islam is evolving towards a humane faith faster than Christianity did.
Obvious Rabbit knows he can prove this which is why he cast such a pronounced statement into the ring. Will anyone be silly enough to questioin without research? Will the sun come up tomorrow?
To find out the answer to BOTH these questions, return same time and place tomorrow.
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Posted by Rabbit on Jan 16, 2006 at 4:31 AM Yup Rabbit, there’s plenty of victimization and dogmatic bloodletting to go around. It’s a mf’n growth industry, planetwide. I was provoked by the photo and also (mostly) by the insane headtripping that was the foundation of the execution. To me, that’s not Iranian or American, Muslim or Christian. It’s any of those and possible from all of them. It can just as easily come from an atheist, e.g. some of the more heinous characters out of the Soviet/Maoist drama. It’s the belief that one owns the entire cosmic truth between the covers of their scripture, between their ears.
And it really does provoke me further, the idea that two people (both with penises, but to me that’s irrelevant) getting executed for lovemaking. I wouldn’t call it a “new low” because it’s been happening for centuries, but it’s still pretty strikingly low. I included the graphic references because those were the circumstances of the supposedly terrible crime those young guys committed. The details of the case, you might say.
When I lived in Pakistan, there were a number of these so-called “honor killings” that took place. That would be in addition to the “honor mutilations” and the “honor beatings-unto-a-bloody-pulp”. Again, dogma run rampant. The message? Obey or I’ll fuck you up bad.
Oh wait, I’m sure the devout ones who did all this wouldn’t actually cuss, would they? After all, that would be impious.
So then I look at (for example) American history. Slavery and Jim Crow laws justified with biblical references. The murder of religious teachers who deviate from the mainstream religious culture (e.g. Joseph Smith of the Mormons). The dispossession and humiliation of the native Americans. A hundred examples. Same cloth, just a different piece cut from it.
Dogmatic, doctrinaire, absolutist, intolerant, aggressive. Doesn’t matter if it’s out of Christian or Muslim or whatever orientation. It’s the willingness to assault, the readiness to attack, legally or extra-legally , that’s the essential ingredient. Only the details differ, the broad principle is the same. Believe as I tell you, behave as I tell you, or in the name of my mean, crazy image of godhead, I’ll burn you at the stake. Or maybe just hang you.
Now that’s some scary shit, bubba. Letting people who think like that be in charge of the law? Madness!
I don’t know if their next victim might be you, but I’m pretty confident I’d make their shitlist. Not to mention most of my friends and family.
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