The 9/11 Faith Movement

Now Batgirl, everybody knows the rabbit NEVER bullshits.  His reputation for honesty remains as pure as the riven snow.

rive (rīv)

v., rived, riv·en (rĭv’ən) also rived, riv·ing, rives.

v.tr.
To rend or tear apart.
To break into pieces, as by a blow; cleave or split asunder.
To break or distress (the spirit, for example).
v.intr.
To be or become split.

[Middle English riven, from Old Norse rīfa.]

American Heritage Dictionary

So, Lagomorph, you are saying that your “reputation for honesty” is irrevocably shattered.  Well, that certainly agrees with my observation.  Finally, we agree on something.

I made a mistake, and I admit it.  I missed at the bottom of the webpage hosting all the exciting new studies I regrettably exposed, that they indeed have been peer reviewed, apparently by Alex Floum, Marcus Ford, Derrick Grimmer, Richard McGinn, Kimberly Moore, Robert Moore, Diana Ralph, Kevin Ryan, Robert Stevens, Lon Waters and Paul Zarembka.  (Zarembka is that professor and fan of Marxist economics who was going to publish Steven Jones’ report until everybody realized how ... well ... let’s just say we were hoping for a journal with the words “science” or “engineering” in the name)

In the spirit of this new-found standard for peer review, where all you need is a group of your friends and neighbors to give the OK for publication, I hereby submit an alternate set of eminently scholarly papers.  Please bear in mind that they are definitely, genuinely and officially peer reviewed, by their peers, no less.  In fact, I believe the reviewers were even required to read through them backwards, to insure there were no subliminal messages implanted, intentionally or otherwise.

By the authority vested in me by the Universitatus Committeeatum e plurbis unum, I give you:

A long list of observations - Part I

A long list of observations - Part II

This may be a good excuse to get that new computer you’ve been wanting, one that can churn through these mega-mammoth pdf files with little or no burning smell.

For more peer reviewed papers, and for more information on the rigorous peer review process and requirements for submittal, please click here.

“Back where I come from we have universities, seats of great learning—where men go to become great thinkers.  And when they come out, they think deep thoughts—and with no more brains than you have....But!  They have one thing you haven’t got!  A diploma!” — the “Wizard”, 1939, unknowingly setting the academic standards for the 9/11 “truth” movement.  Ya see, all ya really need is a little confidence, and a little swagger.

Corpse

You are such an excitable little troll are you not? 
You get a hard on everytime you see a spelling error.  One wonders how you expect to achieve anything this way, but then I guess beggars can’t be choosers and at least you get to be right about something.

Pity that is all you can ever do on these forums, apart from act like a pompous prock.  Look! look Scorp a spelling mistake, get it quick before it goes away

Sorry though to take the wind from your sails but you best just check that post of Rabbit’s again.

Natalie

I made a mistake, and I admit it.  I missed at the bottom of the webpage hosting all the exciting new studies I regrettably exposed, that they indeed have been peer reviewed

Did you make a mistake Batgirl?  Does that mean to say you would rather people didn’t see that site?  Surely that isn’t what you mean?  That would be covering up-- hiding things, Natalie.  You wouldn’t do that dear would you?  If you can’t win with the truth dear, it does seem a bit hopeless expecting to win by hiding anything, on the internet of all places.  You should be proud of yourself for exposing the charlatans to scrutiny sweetheart, if you are so sure that their studies and articles are such crap the you can only win by showing their paltry efforts in their full ignominious glory.  Rabbit never objects to any information being presented Nat, indeed he desires that people read every source you post, how else can they make up their own minds?

That is what you want isn’t it Batgirl? Best way to expose nonsense is by examining it for oneself.

Of course Batgirl would not expect people to merely take her word for it, so you send them along to see the charlatans Natty, if you’re right then your faith brigade will be gaining believers in no time I guess.

Besides what is wrong with shooting both your legs out from under yourself,?  Scorpy does it all the time, and look how well he is doing!

Meanwhile it seems that those crazy people are at it again, and dammit Nat if they are not getting growing MSM coverage too!

What’s up Batgirl, why are these people gaining traction?  You are going to have to peddle faster if you are going to turn the tide dear. You can’t rely on Scorpy, he is too busy checking Rabbit’s spelling and grammar and blowing smoke up his anus with a hose to save his back from all that bending over he was having to do before.

Just a small hint though, character attacks on people who speak out is wearing thin and I don’t think it is having the effect you are looking for.  You seem to be telling us more about yourself by doing this and nothing of consequence about anybody else.

Follow the Yellow Brick Road. Follow the Yellow Brick Road.
Follow, follow, follow, follow,
follow the rainbow over the stream,
follow the fella who follows a dream,
follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow brick road.
You’re off to see the Wizard, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.
You’ll find he is a whiz of a Wiz! If ever a Wiz! there was.
If ever oh ever a Wiz! there was The Wizard of Oz is one because,
Because, because, because, because, because.
Because of the wonderful things he does.
You’re off to see the Wizard. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

Not quite as good as Sneetches, Natalie, but still good for a laugh.

Follow the Yellow Cake Road. Follow the Yellow Cake Road.
Follow, follow, follow, follow,
follow the poison over the stream,
follow the DU which kills and maims,
follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow cake road.
You’re off to see the Rabbit, The Wonderful Rabbit of Oz.
You’ll find he is a rabid old rabbit! If ever a Rabbit! there was.
If ever oh ever a Rabbit there was The Rabbit of Oz is one because,
Because, because, because, because, because.
Because of the wonderful things he does.
You’re off to see the Rabbit. The Wonderful Rabbit of Oz.

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“Just a small hint though, character attacks on people who speak out is wearing thin and I don’t think it is having the effect you are looking for.”

Any talent I have for attack, I learned from you!!  I thought you’d be proud.  Waa.  Batgirl, Fruitbat, Natty the batty, vampire, lying vampire, evil, whore, and of course shill.  And dozens more.  I even try not to use any of your stuff.  Waa.

I’m not sure you really comprehended my last post though, you might want to read through it again, and actually click on the links I worked so hard to place just right at eye level.

Yeah, Marxy and I covered the sideshow on CSPAN.  It was great entertainment.  I’ve always said I’m eager for these clowns to come out of their closet so we “official story” people can get a clear swing at em.

Let’s see if they can stand the heat of the hot lights.  So far, whenever they manage to make it onto a forum where they’re challenged even by lay people, they don’t fare so well.

Lagomorph Anatidae -

You get a hard on everytime (sic) you see a spelling error. 

Umm, no.  I only draw attention to errors of spelling and grammar when I quote someone who has made such an error; I certainly don’t want anyone to think I am responsible for your mistakes.  The fact that you are sic, sic, sic is your problem, not mine.

And besides this was not a spelling error that you made, it was a Freudian slip, and most apropos.

Your “reputation for honesty” and your capacity for critical thought are equally abysmal and disreputable.  I really don’t give a shit whether you can spell or not, but the world suffers from leprous intellects and morals such as yours.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I’m suspecting a deliberate controlled demolition of the three story structure in Qana, Lebanon.  I don’t know of any time in history when a three story house has just collapsed like that many hours apparently after it was hit by something, we don’t really know what.

One man said it was not even a bomb, but a large cucumber like object.  Since when do cucumbers cause three story houses to just collapse?  And many residents reported sounds of explosions several hours later.

There are too many unanswered questions here, and it certainly wouldn’t be the first time this government has done false flag operations.

I’m just saying let’s have an independent investigation, and not let these criminals get away with murdering their own citizens in order to advance their political agenda and justify their illegal war against someone who never even attacked them.

Natalie

Those are not character attacks Batgirl.  They are mockery of you.  Besides which your character is of such a type that it renders insults impossible.

Character attacks like your accusations of impure motives and drug addiction etc towards professionals and others who speak out are the issue.

Your disingenuous words are a constant indigtment of your cause.  By the way your last post says a lot about you too.

Corpse

You make a big deal out of any spelling errors you twerp.  You just made a federal case over the word riven!  You quoted for no other purpose than that.  Dropping a D from Driven is a spelling error, and the poverty of your point is shown by the universal reputation Rabbit has for honesty.  Any criticism coming from a dunce and a hopeless liar like you boyo doesn’t cut any ice around here.

By all means keep being a dickhead though, Rabbit would not have you any other way.

Do you two morons expect to achieve anything here or are you just enjoying being a pair of fools everyone just likes to kick?

On Conspiracy Theories

The worst terrorist attack in history came nearly five years ago on September 11, 2001 and it traumatized America. Most people were caught off-guard, including the defense establishment (apparently), but counterterrorism experts and government officials quickly appeared on TV to finger the perpetrators. A Fox anchorman even solved it within a minute of the second hit: “We just saw on live television as the second plane flew into the second tower of the World Trade Center. Now given what has been going on around the world, some of the key suspects come to mind: Osama bin Laden.”

As far as this thread is concerned, you pair of abject morons have failed to do anything except produce what little exists to support the official fairy tale thus proving for me that nothing except far out theories exist to do so.

You have also demonstrated as I predicted would happen that only morons who deny and lie can support the offical tale, which is why you are alone still, and why your numbers are dwindling all the time.

You may eventually be the last two people still believing the lie, how amusing and how I do hope it will be so.  May neither of you ever learn anything or change your minds, I hope to see you standing alone in the smoking ruins of your cardboard castle one day.

You have used the very tactics I predicted you would, from the start.  All to no avail, since as the thread shows, Rabbit has had numerous success in spreading the truth, whereas you two have achieved nothing at all, beyond helping our case for the truth by your contrasting dishonesty.

The last few posts from you both are simply sinking below the radar altogether, beneath which not even I can be bothered responding to anymore.  You haven’t got anything so far, do you seriously imagine you will achieve it now?

You just keep on telling yourself you are great debater SCorpse, maybe you and Batgirl can telk to each other for a while now and tell each other how brilliantly you handled it all, and how utterly you have proven your case and how much you have crushed the rabbit.  You might as well, nobody else will be paying you any mind I’d guess.

Rabbit is personally content that he has shredded the spurious hit piece by Terry Allen and this view is encouraged by the reports of more than a dozen other posters who have been by. 

Rabbit encourages all to read what has been presented, the most important things are covered at the start of the thread.  Nobody has to believe all the theories about various details, because we are not obligated to provide all details under the circumstances.  It is enough for us to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the official fairy tale is not possible. 

THIS WE HAVE DONE.

The 9/11 truth movement has now got more than half the population on side, and this momentum is unstoppable as any watching of the media, MSM or otherwise must make clear.

Even many who still believe it, will be ours sooner rather than later.  The fact that those who believe the faith story know very little about the facts which make it a farce should be cause for pause.

I’m glad Batgirl is prepared to sacrfice even more credibility with her last post which shows only how incredibly poor her own comprehension of the amount of evidence which shows the controlled demos of the three WTCs is.  You may be trying to be ironic Nat, but what you are being is disingenuous, which is all I could ask of you. 

Oh and Batgirl, The Israelis never denied bombing Qana, they admitted it and are proud of it even if you look at their hate filled forums.  So you are scraping new depths of the barrel dear.

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“Oh and Batgirl, The Israelis never denied bombing Qana, they admitted it and are proud of it....”

And al Qaeda never denied bombing the Trade Center, they admitted it and are proud of it.

But doesn’t it seem a little strange that these buildings JUST FELL DOWN seven long hours after the initial stike, which failed to do any major damage to the buiding?

It just so happens that this is the first time in history that a three story building has just fallen down for no reason, except for a few small fires.

There is a good motive for what I and a growing number of people all around the world believe really happened.  (The collapse resembled what we’ve all seen on TV a hundred times—a controlled demolition.)

We’ve already seen what a public relations coup by Hezbollah this has been.  They’ve seen world sympathy pour out for them and their deceased women and children.  But they themselves murdered these innocents.  They deliberately rigged the building to explode long before they started firing rockets from the backyard, knowing that it would attrack a missile strike from Israel.  Then, they fled, and returned soon after to set off their explosives by remote control or maybe even directly.

Another theory is that the explosives they stored in a residential building were set off by the small fires that were set by the minor bomb attack.  Either way, they are responsible for their deaths.

I’m not accusing anybody of anything, but I and a growing number of Americans and I think Australians simply demand an independent investigation.  A recent poll said that a clear majority don’t approve of what is going on in the middle east.

Too late Natsky, its all been covered before.

OBL denied having anything to do with 9/11, al-Qaeda is CIA controlled, everyone but you knows that, and I thought you were denying it was bombs?  The FBI don’t have him down as responsible even but I guess you know more than the FBI?

Making an arsehole out of yourself as you are now doing is pathetic even for you.  Red cross have said there were no Hezbollah in Qana by the way.

Your case is dead and buried, Bat, but you stay here and roll around in it’s remains. It’s what you do best.  The case for your official story being purely faith based is long since made.  The proof of controlled demolitions has been given.  Denial isn’t helping your case, and nor are Scorpse and his spelling mistakes.  You might as well stick around here and flog the dead horse some more, I am tired of mucking about repeating the same things over and over.

You cannot be convinced of anything, as even Chemical residues tests doesn’t cause you to pause in your lies and denial.  You are a shill and the Corpse is an idiot, everyone is unanimous about this. 

People were saying two pages ago that there is enough here to convince them, they were folks who had not made up their minds before.  Stay attached to a dying cause, it suits you.

That you are now shilling for Israeli Terrorism, murder of children, in an effort to somehow draw a link between Qana and 9/11 is almost too rank to stomach.  While you’re at it, you might want to excuse the Israeli missiles and strafing of Red Cross ambulances and don’t forget UN observers.  Tell us about spurious claims of Hezbollah using ambulances, as if an honourable resistance would, and as if they would knowing the Zionists don’t hesitate to kill civilans, that’s about your level of reason and logic and we know it. Tell us how even if they did, this would justify shooting up ambulances just in case they had Hezbollah inside.

You stay here and show people what a sick deluded puppy you are, you’ll only drag your long since dead case down further.

Meanwhile Rabbit is enjoying to see the Bushling and his fellow cockroaches starting to panic at the thought they might have to face trial for their crimes after all.  Never forget, I already know you are going to lose. I already know the day will come when you will be lying through your teeth pretending you never supported DU or the increasingly farcical 9/11 faith based lie your failing government peddles.

My satisfaction at knowing for a fact that you can never win, that the day of truth is approaching is considerable.  When Bushling is indigted and the 9/11 lies come crashing down, I know you will be nowhere to be found.  Vermin like you and Scorp never take responsibility for their filth, you shill and spin, lie and cover up until the end, then off you scuttle and pretend you were one of us all along.

Everyone who engages you in discussion for any length of time expresses the same feeling of loathing, a feeling of being soiled by contact.  That is an awful indigtment, you really should be ashamed.

For your information, by far the majority of Australians are furious with Israel, and even those many who once blindly bought the Zionist propaganda have been turned by the horrors of the Israeli aggression.

By the way, Israel is doomed.  This latest round of hate filled murder and war criminal aggression cannot be covered up, and despite not even having access to the truth, merely by virtue of an Israeli biased media, they can yet see Israel is a satanic state.

Nobody who even is dumb enough to believe Hezbollah’s legitimate capture of two IOF soldiers justified Israeli mass murder, can accept the beastiality which you clearly and not surprisingly revel in.  I also can read polls Batgirl, and most Americans are waking up this time too.

Keep it up, the liars and war criminals need all the support they can get, and at this point, you’re it.

By the way, Hezbollah waited 2 days after the Israeli holocaust was launched before finally starting to fire their pretty litle rockets into Israel.  The gutless Zionists are so scared, they are wetting themselves even though they admit the rockets are not very dangerous, more likely to win the lottery they are saying.  Still they are cringing in their holes in the ground like the cowardly scum they have become.

God bless the legitimate and courageous resistance of Hezbollah.  The Zionists are digging their own grave, they will never win, but whereas once they might have been allowed to exist, even that is more than they deserve now, and I expect to see Israel eventually destroyed altogether.  Thanks mainly to the sort of support the Neo-Cons are giving them.  If they had been forced to negotiate then they would have peace.  Hamas and Hezbollah have offerred negotiation long since, but that is why the Zionists started this war.  They didn’t intend to allow peace to have a chance.

The Hamas announced they were ready to negotiate, the next day Israel murdered a Palestinian family on a Gaza beach and another family in their car.  Live by the sword, you will die by it.  What you sow, so shall you reap.  The future doesn’t look good for you on that score either Natalie.

Rabbit has not got the least doubt that the truth will prevail.  I hope you can speak Russian?  I think it will be Russia who will be occupying the USA in time.  By this time next year, you will begin to realise you are doomed.  Never forget when that time comes, you were not merely a passive moron who let it happen, you have been an active supporter of the lies and the evil, these will be your personal legacy.  The world you have helped to create for your son, no amount of denial will save your conscience when you can no longer pretend.

Rabbit’s work here is done.  I shall repeat the thing you wish nobody would read, even though you were daft enough to post it yourself.  You have been dumber than usual, and have lost worse than usual, which is seriously saying something.

In honour of the FRUIT BAT, Natalie the undead, Rabbit presents .
the truth about the WTC collapses, based upon scientific analysis and peer reviewed studies.

Knowing how much the truth annoys Batgirl and Corpse.

The day before the “kidnap” of the Israeli soldier, Israel “kidnapped” Palestinians. It was even reported in the news albeit briefly before the story mysteriously vanished. Here it is.

Hezbollah captured the two IOF soldiers in Lebanon.

The timeline of events in the ME, prove irrevocably that Israel is the instigator, the terrorist and that Hezbollah are defending themselvs by firing their pretty little rockets into the land of Zion.  The Katyushas unfortunately are not anywhere near as effective as the tens of thousands of bombs and missiles and shells being hurled at Lebanese civilian centers and infrastructure.

This shows that Hezbollah’s capture of the two soldiers, which is entirely legal under international law since the two countries are technically at war, and soldiers are legitimate targets, occurred on July 12. They have done this before and it has resulted in prisoner swaps.  They had long since signalled their intentions to capture IOF soldiers for this purpose too.  Hezbollah stated the purpose was prisoner swap and re-iterated this over the next two days and ever since but Isreal began a massive pre-prepared holocaust the same day.

Hezbollah waited two days seeking a peaceful solution, before finally firing the first pretty little Katyusha rockets on July 14th. TWO DAYS LATER!  So the lies being spouted by Zionist swine and their pet shill pigs like you, are laid bare for the world to see.  The swine actually clain repeatedly they are responding to rocket attcks from Hezbollah.

UH UH!  Hezbollah didn’t start this Batgirl and Corpse, the Zionist scum did.  The facts speak for themselves.

This is the reason Israel started it as it happens.

Tuesday, June 27: Hamas, which dominates the Palestinian government, signs agreement to end bitter internal conflict and which implicitly recognises Israel’s existence. I told you so!

Wednesday, July 12: Hezbollah captures two Israeli soldiers and kills eight, prompting first Israeli ground operation into Lebanon since its 2000 pull-out. In Gaza, 23 Palestinians are killed by Israeli air strikes.

Friday, July 14: Israel bombs Beirut home of Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah. He declares “open war” on Israel. Israel sets conditions to end offensive: halt rocket attacks, release its soldiers, and Lebanon to implement UN resolution calling for Hezbollah’s disarmament. Two Israelis killed by rocket fire from Lebanon.

The facts are even more undeniable than usual this time, but what is the bet you’ll not be able to face up to them this time either?  Which just goes to prove what I’ve said all along, your opinions about 9/11 are worse than useless.

How about reading these terrifying words of the scary terrorist leader. Too bad you don’t have a leader with a hundredth as much intelligence, honour and wisdom as this guy!  Next to your chimp, or even our bastard prime minister this guy is a prince.

No doubt you reckon Israel was just defending itself? So why were they preparing this invasion over a year ago?  Israeli newspapers have stated outright that the invasion was prepared and just seeking any excuse.  Of course that sort of news would never be printed in the USA, since the Idiot American Goyim need to be kept ignorant for them to be milked out of their treasure, so the Zionist controled press keeps the lid on it in the USA, not hard to do with morons like you two stinking up the place.  Most of the rest of the world does get this news, which is why most of the rest of the world is against this evil.  But no no no, not the stupid Americans, they must be kept dumb, not hard, so they will keep on feeding the Zionist monster with Cash and Weapons.  They don’t even like or respect you, go look at some of their forums.  They see you as milk cows.

Twelve things I’ll bet you don’t know about this war. Not least being that Olmert’s daughter is a peace activist!

This one is only for people with their own minds and the ability to use them. You pair of morons best leave it alone.  It has opinions in it as well as facts which will only confuse you..  ALL the rest I’ve posted is just establishing facts. The sort of things reasonable people base their opinions on.

We do know that morons like you prefer to tailor facts to suit your opinions, but Rabbit keeps telling you this is not the way it should be done.  Show us all again how you begin with opinions and then twist the facts to fit your equally twisted views.  It should help bury you both in your own degenerate character flaws, thus showing once again why Rabbit and others hold you in the utmost contempt.

Interesting friends your emperor has.  What was that about drugs? Well they have to come from somewhere I guess!

Rabbit shall leave you pair of Assholes with a nice little song in honour of your emperor.  Enjoy it.

You are also free to slime up the place and make bigger dicks of yourselves, without me replying since I’m not wasting time debating any of this with such human waste as you are.  Mostly I’m making use of the edit function to “store” these posts for use on other forums, wherever ignorance needs an injection of the truth.

The rabbit has work to do, places to hop.  Have fun dummies.  Please do make mongrels of yourselves denying more truth, Rabbit specifically requests you BOTH to rant and rave and demonstrate for all time how little truth matters to you.

And enjoy the nice song, its well earned!

“You are also free to slime up the place and make bigger dicks of yourselves, without me replying since I’m not wasting time debating any of this with such human waste as you are.  Mostly I’m making use of the edit function to “store” these posts for use on other forums, wherever ignorance needs an injection of the truth.”

Translation: I haven’t provided a shred of physical evidence to support my ridiculous, paranoid, and judging by my Hezbo loving rant above, hate induced conspiracy theories regarding the events of 9/11, so I’m gonna create a bunch of smoke, thunder, boasting and bluster to make ignorant people think I have, and then leave like the coward that I am.  I realize that my sources are merely a collection of tabloid crap, and their total lack of credibility has been effectively exposed by Natalie.

“God bless the legitimate and courageous resistance of Hezbollah.”

Translation: I am siding with a terrorist organization who’s thug leader hates all jews and probably thinks the holocaust didn’t happen.  And if it did happen, he’s dissapointed that it wasn’t allowed to be completed.  A terrorist organization that’s murdered more Americans second only to al-Qaeda, who I’ve also sided with in trying to deny their responsibility for 9/11.  Just like I side with the “resistance” in Iraq, who blow to bits innocent men, women and children simply because it’s more efficient than severing their heads individually.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN, AUG 1, 2006:  My next guest, Jeffrey Goldberg, a writer for “The New Yorker,” visited south Lebanon and got some extensive tours by Hezbollah of the areas under their control and of their television station.

COOPER: It’s fascinating and important, I think, to focus on this. It’s easy to kind of gloss over the realities of what Hezbollah is saying in all the coverage......

That’s your buddies they’re talking about, Rabbit.

“They don’t hide it. They don’t try to mask it in any way. They state very openly to you when you ask their exact feelings about Jews, which are quite extreme.”

Are you masking something, Rabbit?

Talk about shooting one’s self in one’s foot.
And you don’t even have an excuse—you’re not blind drunk like Mel Gibson.

Or are you?

Ignoring the dribbling Bat, Rabbit just drops in some more proof she is an inveterate liar.

Batgirl at Natalie on Jul 27, 2006 at 10:01 PM.

3) All kinds of planes have been intercepted by NORAD in the past (not true, only 1 has, and in 1hr, 22min.)

I just came across this which states they scrambled 67 times in the nine months before 9/11.

Either she is the biggest liar, or the biggest idiot about.  I have not kept track of the outright lies she has been caught out in with this thread, but it is close to fifty.  Rabbit never lied once.  Not asingle example of a lie, or a mistruth has the rabbit been shown to have told, just hollow accusations from the lowest form of life on the net.

Mel Gibson blind drunk?  She does have an imagination.  0.12% is about three drinks, not exactly blind drunk.  0.1% isn’t even an offence in many states. 

How desperate one has to be to sink to the depths of degrading behaviour the Bat does.  Nothing much funnier than the Batgirl who has been bounced all over this thread like a rubber ball, calling the rabbit dishonest.

HO HO HO.  Call the rabbit a liar again, please.  It makes him shiver with happiness to have such as you accuse him of such as that. 

Keep on trawling through the muck, show us how much lower you can slither, it is really all that is left for me to do.  I cannot destroy the faith based fairy tail any more than I have, it is dead and buried.  But as for showing what a sleazy duplicitous maniac she is, that job is never done.

I have been a regular reader of “In These Times” for a couple of years and don’t normally comment on articles.  I don’t for that matter usually read the comments. 

This time the article was so poorly written, just a lazy series of personal attacks that I couldn’t help myself.  I sure am glad that I did.  It has taken me almost two weeks to read down to this point, and looking at the myriad links to sources has been time consuming to say the least.

I must thank the Rabbit for making it such an amusing and eventful experience, what a funny fellow you are Mr Rabbit.  A crazy wacky rabbit from the land downunder eh?

I began this “journey” a member of the “Faith Brigade” as Mr Rabbit puts it.  I had heard about all manner of crazy conspiracy theories regarding the WTC and Pentagon attacks in 2001 but taking the word of people like Terry Allen for example I never sought to find out what exactly these theories entailed.  I assumed they would be as flakey as theories about JFK’s assasination.  Now I am informed about what these so called conspiray theorists are saying and I am both shocked and somewhat frightened too.  The most shocking to me is that these are not theories, but as can clearly be ascertained from the study of this thread, virtually proven facts. 

The frightening thing is that obviously so much effort has gone into and is still being expended in keeping this truth from the American people.  At one stage and despite having grown rather fond of his odd mannerisms I was quite convinced that Rabbit was being unneccesarily rude to Natalie, and almost posted once to say as much.  However having now reached the stage where I have seen her and her sidekick Scorp (Corpse - LOL) flailing about denying obvious facts and ignoring some extremely damning evidence, I have come to hold both of them in a similar vein of contempt as the Rabbit himself.  What terrible and shameless liars and prevaricators you both are. 

More than half the links given by Natalie are nothing but wasted space, and have nothing whatsoever to do with the issues being discussed, and as has been pointed out they are often misquoted by the woman. (Batgirl - LOL)

Nothing presented by her or her sidekick is the least bit compelling, invariably being nothing more than theorising and speculation.  I suppose this was something of a shock too.  That the entire official story is a load of hogwash.  There is not an ounce of credible evidence or testimony which lends any credibility to the story which I am now sure is a hollow myth.  This was not even a debate between two opposing views.  It has been a constant building up of facts and testimony which as Rabbit says forms an interlocking chain of evidence, with a couple of mentally deranged clowns attempting to cover the truth and smear all who attempt to find it.

Shame on you both.  It is easy to see what is becoming of our country when such people as you are allowed to roam free and behave like this.  You have never once successfully refuted the points made by Mr Marx or Rabbit (sorry I know there were more of you I cannot remember all your names now), but you have told us a great deal about the paucity of the government case by your lack of ability to make it fly, despite trying desperately now for hundreds of posts.  Shame on you both.

I am only commenting because I think the Rabbit deserves credit for his gargantuan efforts to bring the truth to our notice.  I did indeed begin as a member of the “Faith Brigade” and you deserve credit for having turned that insult by Terry Allen on its ear.  Thanks to your efforts I am now much better informed and there can be no doubt that 911 was an inside job which continues to this day in the sense it is being actively covered up. 

You can rest assured Mr Rabbit that you are correct in your presumption that the truth can only go in one direction.  Nobody can ever be convinced by the government story, it is as empty as the head of George W Bush and not capable of convincing anybody.  It would seem that Americans can be extremely gullible and nothing proves this more than the kneejerk reaction so many of us had in accepting what is in retrospect a completely farcical tale.

I shudder to think where this country is going.  Eventually the truth of September 2001 is going to come out.  Unlike the speculation and theories around JFK’s murder the 911 Truth movement is based upon solid evidence witnesses and science.  I suppose I shall be joining that group in our office who have long been called the looneys, by some others, but I would rather be called a looney, by ill informed fools than an ally by the same fools.  Besides which I have a few friends who only need to see some of this information to appreciate the significance, I suspect the so called looneys will soon outnumber the poor fools who as yet don’t even realise three WTCs fell down on 911.

Finally I wish to recommend that anyone else who wishes to find the truth more quickly than I did, that you go to the following source, of all those given it is the most comprehensive and scientifically rock solid.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

I would suggest Rabbit need not waste any more time on the fools called Natalie and Scorp.  They are as you seem aware too, their own worst enemies.  You have done an exceptional job and deserve a rest.  Nothing more needs to be said to, as you say destroy the “official fairy tale”. 

Have no fear Mr Rabbit, you are an honest and intelligent soul, and nobody could take seriously the accusations being levelled at you by such discredited and ignorant fools as Natalie and Scorp.  (Batgirl and Corpse.) Actually they are complimenting you indirectly by their obvious terror of your knowledge and skills.

I will be taking a closer look at depleted uranium now it has been shown to be another of Natalies interests.  That is enough in itself to suggest there is more to that story too.  I thought depleted uranium was just uranium with the radiation removed, but if Natalie defends this as desperately as the lies about 911, I guess there must be more to this story too.

Sincerely Kal

Unfortunately, Rabbit, the subject of intercepts, scrambles and such is way more complicated than that.  Open up your mind and consider the intricacies of the issue.  Cleanse yourself of the habit of jumping to conclusions with incomplete information.

Kal,

Thanks for your participation.  I would be interested in specifically what makes you believe that the unusual theories put forth by the 9/11 “truth” movement are meritorious.

What was it that made you go hmmmm?

I post this extract from the Rabbit-link above to highlight a similarity.

Whenever Israel indulges in aggression , it hides behind the Holocaust and its’ propagandists accuse all critics of anti-semitism .

Now the USA is actively engaged in two Occupations, widespread torture and murder, supporting 100% the disastrous acts of the State of Israel, all of this is justified by a War on Terror.

And tthe justification for THAT WAR always, without FAIL, comes back to 911.

Oren Ben-Dor: Who are the real terrorists in the Middle East?

What exactly is being defended? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state?
Published: 26 July 2006
As its citizens are being killed, Israel is, yet again, inflicting death and destruction on Lebanon. It tries to portray this horror as necessary for its self-defence. Indeed, the casual observer might regard the rocket attacks on Israeli cities such as Haifa and my own home town, Nahariya, as justifying this claim.

.....
What exactly is being defended by the violence in Gaza and Lebanon? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state? I suggest the latter. Israel’s statehood is based on an unjust ideology which causes indignity and suffering for those who are classified as non-Jewish by either a religious or ethnic test. To hide this primordial immorality, Israel fosters an image of victimhood. Provoking violence, consciously or unconsciously, against which one must defend oneself is a key feature of the victim-mentality. By perpetuating such a tragic cycle, Israel is a terrorist state like no other.

.......The very creation of Israel required an act of terror. In 1948, most of the non-Jewish indigenous people were ethnically cleansed from the part of Palestine which became Israel. This action was carefully planned. Without it, no state with a Jewish majority and character would have been possible. Since 1948, the “Israeli Arabs”, those Palestinians who avoided expulsion, have suffered continuous discrimination. Indeed, many have been internally displaced, ostensibly for “security reasons”, but really to acquire their lands for Jews.

Surely Holocaust memory and Jewish longing for Eretz Israel would not be sufficient to justify ethnic cleansing and ethnocracy? To avoid the destabilisation that would result from ethical inquiry, the Israeli state must hide the core problem, by nourishing a victim mentality among Israeli Jews.<a href=’http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article1197235.ece"> t; Oren ben-Dor</a> </a>

Frog,

What is it that Israel must do to satisfy their critics?  What do you think would be necessary to pacify the Arab population?  Long term.

Move to Florida.

You’re getting warm, wileywitch!!

Natalie

I have already answered your somewhat loaded question above.  I see no point in reiterating the volume of interlocking evidence facts, reports, witnesses and scientific studies which make a most compelling case for the alternative explanation of september 2001.

Even in 2001 I felt a distinct unease the way they seemed to have all the answers about what happened within hours yet supposedly knew NOTHING the day before.  This stayed buried for me but quickly resurfaced when I discovered the FBI to this day lack enough evidence to charge Bin Ladin.  hmm I said then.  From that point on the case for controlled demolition and government involvment simply went from strength to strength and it took no more than Rabbit’s first few posts before I was mentally convinced of the truth, and that the government version was nothing but a fairy tale as Rabbit puts it.  This did not mean I could face the truth in my heart.  This is where you came in. It was you Natalie who made it possible even imperative that I accept the truth and move on from there. 

Eventually I felt an almost physical revulsion for you and your methods which are nothing less than dissemblinbg and prevarication.  Your constant tone of fake superiority backed as it is by nothing except thinly disguised propaganda had me wanting to jump down the phoneline and throttle you.  To Rabbit’s credit he can cope with you better than I could.  By association with the official story you made it easy for me in the end to turn away from the hollow faith which is all you seem to have to offer.

Scorp had no effect on anything at all.  He is obviously a juvenile or a deranged adult with serious resentment towards Rabbit.  His one track and pathetic attempts to take part in the debate were mere distractions but clearly he and you provide some sort of moral support for each other.  You on the other hand appear to have an agenda, and this fact in itself is an indigtment of a case which cannot be made without resorting to slander and by covering up facts rather than examining them.

The number of times you have been shown to actually be attempting to deceive is quite amazing, you are a despicable person Natalie, this can be the only conclusion.  After struggling to come to terms with the shocking truth for a while it finally dawned on me that your sort seems to be the only sort anywhere on the internet supporting the official story.  Thus the obvious final straw was found.  If the official account of september 2001 requires champions such as your duplicitous self to maintain believers, then count me out.  Reading the intolerable falsehoods and hollow rhetoric of your case, and watching your disgraceful conduct in attempting to derail an honest look at the facts left me feeling physically ill at times.  You are certainly doing no favours for your cause, which seems about par for the course with anything this administration gets into.  So you seem remarkably familiar, in tune with the Bush administration and I have no problem believing you are paid to spread lies and propaganda.  If so they are wasting my taxes, but what else is new?

I hope that answers your question Natalie, but if it does not, I do not care.  As I said I did not come here to debate or to teach, I came to learn, and if you had not inspired my disgust such as you have with your dishonesty I might not have felt compelled to speak up.  It occurred to me that Rabbit had given so much of his time and effort to ensuring the truth was presented here, that the least I could do was assure him it was worth it.  It gives me some satisfaction to be able to confirm that his efforts were worth it, and at the same time to disabuse you of the notion you have done anything useful unless it was to drive me finally from the uncomfortable perch between knowing the truth which is actually easy to follow after all, and having to accept the truth which is far from easy.

Rabbit your picture is much more cute than our Kansas Kangaroos, or Jackrabbits.  They are big, rangy and fast as the wind. 

I wonder if that is not a good description of you mind though?  Though you have brought me pain, this knowledge is a burden, still I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

KansasKal is in Oz? 

The rabbit thought Kansas is in USA

He has our flag upon his posts, what does this mean?  Are you in Oz or do you fly Rabbit’s little flag for respect?

Glad to have been of service.

Batgirl asks one hopper

What is it that Israel must do to satisfy their critics?  What do you think would be necessary to pacify the Arab population?  Long term

and another hopper answers.

They could stop killing their leaders, kidnapping their people, murdering their civilians and then pull back to the pre 1967 borders as all Arab nations have demanded, according to one of the sixty or more UN resolutions, and then the Arabs will naturally recognise and make peace with Israel.  They have never made any secret of this.

Hello Mr Rabbit

No sir I am not in Australia, in fact I am in Bangkok, in a hotel using my laptop computer.  The flag is probably due to the call being routed through an Australian server, I imagine when I get home in a few days I’ll have old glory down there, but its not likely I’ll be posting much so don’t expect to see me.

I am too busy to do more than read as a rule and only managed this much due to the business I came to arrange having been finished early leaving me a couple of days before flight home again.  It’s too hot to go outside so staying in front of the airconditioner.  If this is winter in the soouth I’ll settle for Kansas any day.

Kal said:

I have already answered your somewhat loaded question above.  I see no point in reiterating the volume of interlocking evidence facts, reports, witnesses and scientific studies which make a most compelling case for the alternative explanation of september 2001.

If the evidence is so voluminous, and so compelling, surely you can name for me the top three pieces thereof that cause you to swim so against the conventional wisdom.

You say you’re here to learn.  Let’s see what you’ve learned so far that has caused you to so comfortably embrace the “unofficial story”.

Just three things.  Easy.

Hi KANSAS,

Yet one more example of the insincerity of the NastyNat, just above .

One of her major aims is to divert the discussion down side-alleys, so she asks an “innocent” question, what should Israel do, when the answer is already implied immediately above in blockquotes .

Back to topic. I don’t know about the scrambles /interceptions, how many were practice alerts etc etc.
Any armed service worth the name should always be practicing, be ready, but we have found out from the insider Kean Commission that EVEN THEY found it difficult to get honest answers from your military .

WOW ! This from the Washington Post

Natalie -

Lagomorph is posting as KK.  He has gone schizo, in addition to being deluded, pathological, and suicidal.

It is best to ignore him.  When he no longer has an audience (he MUST have an audience) he will go somewhere else or, alternatively, carry on a converstion with KK, and possibly other persona of his own construction.

Enjoy your excellent work.

Scorpling you are such a dope and so full of delusions and imaginings.

Rabbit has exactly three email adresses and two of them are banned from ITT thanks to creeps like you and Batgirl.  Besides which I challenge anyone to change their ID’s on this site in what must be less than two or three minutes of Kal’s and Rabbit’s posts above.  One thing you could not know is how slow is my computer what’s more with only 257meg ram it is slow as a wet week to log on or off anything anyway.

Not that your feeble opinion is worth anything, you are a confirmed loser, as suggested who resents the rabbit.  Considering the number of times people send me congratulations on crushing your puny self, that;s not suprising.  Is it true little Scorpy, do you really resent the rabbit?  How sad for you.  I never realised how much of a sick puppy you were until Kal pointed that out actually.

Your delusions of grandeur are amusing but sad too.  Hopefully Kal will do Rabbit the honour of posting a wee note to the deluded Corpse when he returns to the land of the Kansas Kangaroo, just to shove the Scorpy’s sick little nose in it.

I believe Kal mentions two days?  So within three I’m sure you’ll have an answer.  At least I hope so, for it struck me as odd he has the Oz flag too, but that is sounding true about the servers anyway.  Rabbit wondered how they knew where we were.  Since Rabbit was the one to pick the flag first, and since he does often refer to the flags, he would hardly have been so dumb as to not tkae it into account anyway.  Scorpy often thinks he is Sherlock Holmes, but invariably proves he’s just a Duck after all.  At least Batgirl is marginally brighter than the Corpse in most respects.

Now what would the ravings of a silly Corpse who is but a poor distraction at best matter?  That you think the Batgirl’s efforts are excellent work is just the icing on the cake for Rabbit.  She has in all truth been proven to be a liar, an inveterate invertebrate.  Scorpy finds this ecellent, what more can be said?

Oh and by the way Corpse, I have been waiting to see how long you took to prove your utter debased character.  I find the comment about being suicidal under the circumstances, to be about the lowest piece of crap anyone could pull.  It says a great deal about you sunshine.  You are without doubt the most revolting little bit of mucus from the backside of a CJD infected bovine ever to have posed as a man, and I may be wrong but in her heart, if she has one, even Batgirl may find that to be a bit rich.  Unfortunately for you my little troglodite, Rabbit is over the worst of the shock and pain of having become a lone rabbit, thanks to the humanity of Frog, and others.  Even Batgirl showed she was not far removed from humanity at that time and to her credit I doubt even she would sink so low.  Not that it worries me in the least being honest has the advantage of not having to hide anything.

For your sake though Scorp I had hoped you were above it.  Thankyou for showing who is indeed the lowest common denominator.  I can see you are indeed the one for the prize.

Kal was not the first to comment on the efficacy of the message here presented, and he was not the first to find you to be a gross little worm, and Nat the Bat to be a lying shill.  Maybe you think Rabbit was all of them too? 

Now why would we doubt that the two mini-morons who popped up early in the thread, were not you or the bat playing at games?  I just ask Scorpse for I wondered at the time, but figured it mattered not a bit.

By the way, what is a Kansas Kangaroo?  Rabbit never heard this before, but have heard of Jackrabbit’s.  A rabbit called Jack?  Is this a giant bunny?  Like those giant Welsh rabbits, or some kind of hare maybe?

Why would someone who has spent two weeks reading this, who has come to a conclusion and who has clearly got your number Batgirl, care to play your pathetic games?  Kal’s point is that he came he saw he learnt.  You just lost another Faither, and you won’t be getting him back.  Do you think by engaging him at this stage he would change his mind?  You are a wackjob!

You just don’t know when to quit, but that doesn’t mean the game aint’ over.  For you it is. You have been told that you are worse than useless to the cause of the faith based fairy tale.  Your efforts have never given you any reason to doubt it either.

You have less than zero admirers.  (Scorpy is less than zero!)

Frog that is an interesting article in the WP.  It goes a long way to destroying the credibility of the Pentagon, as if it had any to begin with.  It’s MSM placement is the most telling though.  With the stuff C-Span is running at the moment, and re-running, plus the attention the 9/11 symposium has been getting, I’d say the day is barrelling in these days.  It’s just a matter of time before George of the Bungle is getting the frogmarch (sorry Frog) out of the Blight House I’d say.

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006;

Dan Eggen, there you go Nat, some character attacks needed here, come along please and slander Dan Eggen, he has printed something damaging to the cause of the faith.  A heretic by golly, a wicked journalistic backslider.  How dare he tell people about the Pentagon lying to the extent criminal charges are considered.

By the way it is so craven of you to immediately attack someone like Kal just because he doesn’t agree with your fable.  It just proves again how wicked you are.  We all find you to be abominable, that’s the bottom line.

Kal = Rabbit?

I kinda doubt it scorp, because Kal actually seems to know how to construct a sentence and make a point, however wrong and irrelevant it may be.

What I do wonder about is how he/she is able to exceed the 4000 word limit with such ease.  Now there’s a conspiracy seed for ya.

I must admit to being a little surprised at the traction this silly movement is gaining.  But let’s remember, the fact that the Star and the Globe are also on prominent display at every supermarket checkout in the country is hardly an indication of any kind of truth.  (well there is that broken clock thing)

Perhaps like crop circles, aliens @ Roswell, faked moon landings, Danny Devito actually being a separate species and hurricanes being created by a machine in Japan, these truthies are just something we’re gonna have to learn to peacefully coexist with. 

Naaaa!!!!!!!!

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“Before you incorporate the arguments put forth by the 9/11 truth “movement” into your daily interactions with friends and family, you may want to fact check them first, and consider them in the context of common sense.  You will be spared possibly permanent embarrassment if you simply run your revelation du jour through the following before opening your mouth at that party, or sending that email to that friend who assumes you are still sane.” — Natalie

9/11 myths
Debunking 911
Peer reviewed papers debunking the “truth” movement.

Florida is getting warm, right Natalie? O.K.--- Howzabout Alabama? 

And you would be the perfect mentor, oh Bat of Wonder, to show KansasKal how to stay at the 4,000 word limit when it’s time for the card stacking game.

Hey , NattyShill,

How come the National Security Adviser to your beloved Bushnazi41 pretended before all the world that “nobody would have imagined “terrists flying planes into high buildings ?

Huh ! Frog remembers well the Airfrtance flight hijacked in 1994 to ‘do’ the Eiffel Tower.

Bojinka ,1995, too ?

Kansas’ problem of choosing “three” is what we cheese-eating surrender-monkeys call “un embarras de richesses” .

So much to choose from, why stop at three ?

Either CONDI was knowingly kying through her teeth, or she was so grossly ignorant she should have been fired in disgrace, maybe executed.. (GWB loves that.....)

Waal, she got promoted. So much for accountability/ .

You who are so good on details --- what are the penalties for TREASON ?

Rarely death, because your soulmate traitor Jonathan Pollard is still INSIDE, despite all the efforts of your “friends"at AIPAC .

wileywitch said:

“Florida is getting warm, right Natalie? O.K.--- Howzabout Alabama?”

Well, you’re pretty much staying the same temperature there, ww.  I’ll save you more guessing by just giving you the answer:

Ahmadinejad: Destroy Israel, End Crisis

“And you would be the perfect mentor, oh Bat of Wonder, to show KansasKal how to stay at the 4,000 word limit when it’s time for the card stacking game.”

Now now, you’ve left out the part about my lengthy posts actually containing facts and logic and substance, and Kal’s containing none of the above.  But, Kal’s new, and may expand in the future.

But of course the point, that you apparently missed, is that why and how is Kal able to exceed the 4000 world limit?  Is he a computer nerd and knows how to implant certain code to fool ITT into thinking that his creative essays contain less than that?  Is he actually part of the ITT IT staff and has special privileges?

These are the questions that I pose!!!!!!!! ?????

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“Before you incorporate the arguments put forth by the 9/11 truth “movement” into your daily interactions with friends and family, you may want to fact check them first, and consider them in the context of common sense.  You will be spared possibly permanent embarrassment if you simply run your revelation du jour through the following before opening your mouth at that party, or sending that email to that friend who assumes you are still sane.” — Natalie

9/11 myths
Debunking 911
Peer reviewed papers debunking the “truth” movement.
(using Steven E. Jones’ standard for peer review) ;-)

Thankyou Batgirl

Now that is why the Batgirl is the leader of your team SCorpse.  You are not Sherlock but a confused Dr Watson.  Though indeed the flattery and Oz flag would admittedly lend doubt, and if Kal doesn’t return to confirm himself the rabbit will be more inclined to think it is Scorpy being sneaky.  Maybe he has hooked up with an Aussie dittohead and they are going to attempt some guerilla trick to discredit the Bun?

Nat you are being disingenuous again.  Kal stated quite clearly if you read that he is not joining any discussion.  He very politely and simply, said in black and white that he doesn’t post and that he rarely even bothers reading comments.  He seems to have been surprised by the poor quality article at the start and the comments caught his eye for a change.  The rest follows naturally enough.  He is about the sixth or seventh soul to pass this way and say something similar.  It is hardly surprising most of them pat the wee rabbit on the head in passing.  Bunny rabbits have that effect on people.

Indeed Kal may become so enamoured with the joys of engaging in debate with such fascinating and challenging subjects as a pair of trolls like you and Scorp, that he may post more, but at this point the guy came by said hello and thanks and then went away with the stated intention of doing no more.

You are not seriously going to be able to debate with anybody who has read all the foregoing thread Nat.  The only chance you have of being taken seriously is if someone pops in at the end of the thead, having failed to read or check the sources given if in doubt and reading them.  A hatchling, a small newborn chicken may look up to you, and say “momma?” and you can look down to them and show them all your cleverness and they might think you have something for a while.  Until they get a bit older, a bit more informed, and then they too will move on, realising you had no truth to give, just a faith based argument with no substantiating anything.  Theories, especially when they fly in the face of other theories or even facts, are only food for faith.

Your little chickens will starve if you only feed them on faith, you need to give them facts to eat Nat.  Or they get sick and are unable to stand up by themselves.  As soon as they get a taste for facts they will be off and won’t want anything different thereafter.  It is not counted as the sort of facts we want, that somebody has proposed a theory.  That they have done so may be a fact, but the theory is not a fact.

The theory of gravity says things fall down.  It is a fact that things fall down.  Either can exist without the other, bit while the theory doesn’t make any difference to reality, the reality can make or break the theory with 100% certainty.

Before you incorporate the arguments put forth by the 9/11 truth “movement” into your daily interactions with friends and family, you may want to fact check them first, and consider them in the context of common sense.

It is very good that you admit we are the truth movement. Since you are opposed to our even questioning what does that make you?

I would have thought that the truckloads of information herewith provided would qualify as fact checking.  Common sense is looking at the facts and applying them to reality.  Personal faith based beliefs that your government would not pull off such a historically familiar action when all evidence points that way is disturbingly devoid of common sense .

Nat your lengthy posts don’t contain facts unless they are irrelevant, and logic is not a thing you understand even.

Perhaps you would care to list three facts which support the official lies?

Your source stating Armadinejad speaks of destroying Israel is typical of your failure to understand facts and how they might be established.  An AP article saying he said this, is not the last word.  It is not quoting the man, it is paraphrasing him and anyone who has any clues knows that such an AP story is almost certainly not accurate since they also made claims he said as much months ago when he did no such thing.  Rabbit will find the actual speech and I predict it will be doing no such thing.  However!

Israel is currently engaged on massive holocaust against Iran’s Lebanese cousins, and Israeli leaders have stated their now all but complete intention, to “bomb Lebanon into the stone age.”

Even if Armadinejad spoke such words of Israel, the aggressor as usual, what weight do they carry next to the fourth largest military in the world, with 400 nuclear weapons, a thousand tanks, hundreds of fighter bombers? Doesn’t it seem a bit more threatening for a country with the means to do such a thing than a much weaker country who by the way has not ever attacked any of its neaighbors anyway?

As usual Nat you do not actually have any logic, or sense of balance.

Here for example is the words of Ali Khamene’i, the Islamic Republic of Iran’s supreme leader, in December 2000. 

“Iran’s stance has always been clear on this ugly phenomenon [i.e., Israel]. We have repeatedly said that this cancerous tumor of a state should be removed from the region.”

Now considering the history of Israel with the Mid East since the artifical state was created sixty years ago, it is not surprising this is their feelings.  You always ignore the sime fact that Israel was always inhabited by the Palestinians, at least for 2700 years, and they were displaced when the artifical state of Israel was forced down over the region and formed via a bloodbath of Zionist terror and assasinations of many thousands of innocents.  The history ever since has been one of intensive Israeli aggression and inflexibility.  It is that rare and grim political artifact, an Apartheid state.  Such entities do not own moral highground as a rule by the way.  Therefore it isn’t suprising that many in the Mid East if not all would like to see Israel not there.  But to take such words as those I just quoted and call that a threat to destroy Israel is most disengenuous.  Even though twisted hypocritical souls do exactly that. 

By the way the quote above was not accurately portrayed even, it comes from a Daniel Pipes speech and is not likely to be a 100% accurate translation even.

Has anyone gotten to this yet?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080206Q.shtml

Here’s my review:

This is the worst and most phony piece of drama queen hype I have ever read in my life. Every bit of this contrived harlequin romance of supreme military failure drips with B-grade script devices.

Had the author not included the ages of all but the strangely anonymous voices (like someone walked in off the street and picked up a direct line to GONADS) I might have thought they were twelve year olds at play.

The answer to the article is “Cut the chatter, and stick to protocol. Copy that?”

Apparently, NEADS (or, as I like to call them---GONADS) has such old scopes that they can’t always read paints on them. They do, however, have a huge screen on a wall in front of the scopes on which they can see their area of coverage OR CNN. Is that not just skippy?

I worked with Korean vintage radar in a mobile radar unit in the eighties and they worked fine, even though they got knocked around a bit. That unit was scheduled to be upgraded shortly after I left. What the hell was GONADS using? Did they get my old equipment at a yard sale, or what?

If you can stomach the reading, you might get some good laughs. It sounds sometimes like they needed to send someone out to put some foil on the rabbit ears (not your ears, Rabbit). And hearing a supposed radar operator tell a fighter pilot in the air something like how many miles south of the White House an unidentified, unconfirmed, and sometimes unseen suspected hijacked aircraft was is GUFFAW. Ever notice those mile markers in the sky? Didn’t think so.

And did you realize that there are sometimes more than 3,000 commercial aircraft flying over the United States? Ever look up and notice how crowded the sky was? I mean the congestion is getting impossible for the FAA and NORAD put together to handle. What to do? What to do? It’s so haaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd.

Most of the crew apparently needed Midol.

And no one knew what the protocol was. It had just come up. No one in charge of the defense of the Northeastern quadrant of the United States knew what to do when there were aircraft piloted by people with hostile intent in their area of responsibility.  There was a protocol. Why didn’t they know what it was? Why wasn’t it drilled into their heads the way procedures are drilled into everyone’s heads in the military so that they could do their jobs precisely and in a timely manner in their sleep instead of being totally incompetent boobs?

This article is so self-contradictory, convoluted, and unbelievably campy that I have to wonder if this guy is a chump or a shill.

Thanks for the NORAD tapes story, wiley.  Upon reading through it, I couldn’t help but recall something I said last Christmas:

“ No, wiley, I don’t find it funny that people were murdered on 9/11.  I do find it a little funny that people seem to think that our defensive agencies can magically pick out an aircraft with its transponder off amidst a busy matrix of early morning east coast traffic, and in the case of Flt. 11, that they’d instantly and intuitively know it was destined to become a weapon of war.  It seems not far removed from believing in the ability of reindeer to fly.”

From the NORAD article:

If nothing else, it might have given the public a more realistic sense of the limitations, particularly in the face of suicide terrorism, of what is, without doubt, the most powerful military in the world.”

You may be able to make a case about unpreparedness, or even possibly a little bit of incompetence, although I don’t get that sense from the article, but certainly the article does nothing to buoy “stand down” theories, and indeed makes them laughable and rather disgusting.

“Five years after the attack, the controversy around United 93 clearly eats at Arnold, Marr, Nasypany, and several other military people I spoke with, who resent both conspiracy theories that accuse them of shooting the flight down and the 9/11 commission’s conclusion that they were chasing ghosts and never stood a chance of intercepting any of the real hijackings. “I don’t know about time lines and stuff like that,” Nasypany, who is now a lieutenant colonel, said in one of our last conversations. “I knew where 93 was. I don’t care what [the commission says]. I mean, I care, but - I made that assessment to put my fighters over Washington. Ninety-three was on its way in. I knew there was another one out there. I knew there was somebody else coming in - whatever you want to call it. And I knew what I was going to have to end up doing.” When you listen to the tapes, it couldn’t feel more horrendously true.

10:15:30POWELL: Southeast just called. There’s another possible hijack in our area.  NASYPANY: All right. Fuck!

Thanks for the info, wiley. 

The original article, complete with audio files.

Good men and women trying their best given their tools and training to deal with what a bunch of evil brainwashed animals just insisted on carrying out that day.  Let’s not mis-direct our anger, shall we?

Well it seems that we’ve finally gotten a legitimate scientific poll taken that actually asks specific questions about bombs in buildings and missiles in pentagons.

A nationwide poll of 1010 adults came back with the predictable result—some one third or slightly more of Americans think that the government had a hand in 9/11 or intentionally didn’t act to prevent it.

But the more interesting part, to those of us debating bombs and missiles, is that far fewer believe in these specific phenomenon. 

The collapse if the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.

Very likely 6%
Somewhat likely 10%
Unlikely 77%
Don’t know 6%
Other response 1%

So all the efforts of the truth movement so far have succeeded in firmly convincing only 6%.  Only 10% think it’s possible. Perhaps this is why we’ve never seen the “truth” movement commission a poll that asks these specific questions.

The Pentagon was not struck by an airliner captured by terrorists but, instead was hit by a cruise missle fired by the U.S. military.

Wow.  Those are even lower numbers.  Well, that <i>was pretty silly about the missile, anyway, you say.

Another interesting question asked in the poll was this:

The federal government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from others planets?

Very likely 16%
Somewhat likely 22%
Unlikely 54%
Don’t know 8%

More than twice as many people believe in UFOs than they do in either bombs or missiles.  Hmmm......

And then there’s this:

The poll found that a majority of young adults give at least some credence to a 9/11 conspiracy compared to less than a fourth of people 65 or older. Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11.

Kinda makes ya go Hmmm, doesn’t it?

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“It is very good that you admit we are the truth movement. Since you are opposed to our even questioning what does that make you?”

Yes, I misplaced the quotes, “Rabbit”.  It should have read “truth” movement, because I find literally no truth, but I have to admit you are moving.  Just where?, is the question.

I’m not so much opposed to your questions, it’s your answers I have a problem with.  Neither makes much sense, however.

Natalie a survey of 1000 people is statistically insignificant.  If it is nationwide as claimed, that would be fewer than twenty people in each state!  Amusingly because you produced it here is the opening paragraph. 

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

It isn’t a scientific poll in the sense the Zogby polls from earlier were, but it doesn’t claim to be either. 

Now why would Syria or Iran feel justified in threatening to defend themselves agiants Israeli aggression? 

That is all they have ever threatened as far as threat of actions go.  At the same time might it not be unsurprising that with the sort of rhetoric backed up with actions comparable to the 1939 German Werhmacht that these same countries might wish Israel were somewhere else and even to dream of the day?

Just who is making threats, real live threats of action anyway?

What doesn’t make sense about chemical studies which find traces of thermate residues?

Apart from the fact no explanation can be found for it in the fairy tale?

Somehow I sensed that you would remember that, Natalie----the emotional appeal. How can I kick those poor, poor souls when they’re down? The same way I would kick a brain surgeon who showed up drunk and scrambled a patient’s brain. Boo-effing hoo. Who is the victim here? Clue: Not the f**k-ups.

There is nothing difficult about this concept once the scales of romanticism and cheezy denial are wiped from the eyes. The word is “responsibility"----look it up.

“If nothing else, it might have given the public a more realistic sense of the limitations, particularly in the face of suicide terrorism, of what is, without doubt, the most powerful military in the world.”

This should have made the public ask why our military and FAA combined are so inept, and how it is that “the most powerful military in the world” that cannot effectively guard it’s own airspace---though it spends more on its military budget than all of the rest of the world combined---finds “regime change” to be more important than firing all the useless rat bastards who “failed” on 9/11 and building an actual AIR DEFENSE with working equipment and trained staff that don’t do soap operas in a crisis. 

Seems to me that we have a yet more fundamental problem of not holding people with grave responsibllity accountable---like Michael “let ‘em drown while I finish my lunch” Brown.  We don’t pay these people to wear the appropriate suit while they fail to carry out the mission for which they are given. They have grave RESPONSIBILITIES.

Oh, funny how in that article near the end, when it addressed all the “false alarms” that were going on in the afternoon, though the FAA had already grounded all commercial flights, there was no more mention of that exercise----that was way back up near the top.  Isn’t it funny how someone can write a three page article to disconnect the dots and create subterfuge with useless details, and what is supposed to be dramatic recordings that suddenly turn up five years after the fact in the possession of a hack television writer?

Yeah, right.

Seeing as how these Zyber Shildiers are crawling all over the net on most sites at the moment....where’s ITT’s? 

Are you franchising on this one Batgirl?

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=It has finally happened. On Sunday evening, July 30th, and again on the evening of August 1st, C-Span broadcast a one and a half hour panel discussion and presentation hosted by Alex Jones of PrisonPlanet.com that took place in Los Angeles on June 25, 2006. The event broadcast was only a portion of the entire panel-style symposium and included such notables from the Internet “underground” as Webster G. Tarpley [George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography], physicist and professor Steven Jones, LT COL Bob Bowman, USAF [ret.], and professor James Fetzer, founder of the 9/11 Scholars for Truth organization.

The truth rises like a ball rolls down a hill.

“Are you franchising on this one Batgirl?”

OK, you’re an anti-semite.  We get it.  To each his own.

“Somehow I sensed that you would remember that, Natalie----the emotional appeal. How can I kick those poor, poor souls when they’re down?”

Yes, and I remember feeling these emotions also:

You seem to have some pretty harsh words for a lot of well-intentioned folks who did a pretty darn good job of directing thousands of airborne people to the ground in a very short time.  You seem to be unwilling to take extraordinary circumstances into account, and would have people acting like robots, even after seeing an airliner that was under their charge slam into the north tower of the WTC, killing all aboard and untold thousands within the building.

Do you have any criticism whatsoever for the 19 Muslim murderers who slit people’s throats, hijacked the planes, intentionally turned off the transponders and proceeded to transform their newly acquired mass of aluminum, kerosene and human flesh and bone into a guided missile?

Still no criticism whatsoever.  But presumably you don’t believe there were any hijackers to criticize.  Or do you?  Enquiring minds want to know.

I’ve worked in NORAD and on radar, Natalie. Save it for the chumps.

Do I have any criticism for the unidentified perpetrators? Of course. I have nothing but contempt for any and all murderers.

I also have contempt for inept bunglers who are supposed to be DEFENDERS. It’s abuse of power to be incompetent and not to have everyone’s “stories straight”, when one is commissioned with grave responsibilities. Just like I have harsh words for the drunk driver who kills a familiy and then gets slapped on the wrist because he’s well connected, I have harsh words for the institutions that FAILED TO DEFEND OUR AIRSPACE when it was their job TO DEFEND OUR AIRSPACE. 

I think of it as “having standards”. A little pride never hurts, does it, Natalie?  A little esprit de corps that says, “the greatest military in the history of the human race” is not just a bunch of emotional, incompetent boobs, who go daffy in a crisis.”

Trying to paint me as a heartless lover of evil, and Rabbit as an anti-semite. Tsk. Tsk.

You’re getting too predictable love. Freshen up.

This includes ominous news but a better perspective.

Natalie there are many Jews who are anti Zionist to the extent they won’t even recognise its right to exist. 

The Jews who founded and who are the controlling class of Israel are not semitic jews, they are Khazars, from Eastren Europe.  The Palestinians included jews who true semites though mostly they are semitic muslims.  The Ashkenazi controlled racist apartheid Jewsish state of Israel is not a representative of the semitic race, but its main tormentor.

And you talk of facts.

Rabbit is anti-Zionist but only on the basis of their evil actions. If they stop doing evil things I would not be anti Israel. It is nothing but a bad idea getting worse by the minute.  I don’t reasonably expect it to be packed up and moved off to Europe or America, though the argument for this being done is there.  No more does Iran, they and all Mid East countries have stated before today the conditions for full acceptance and peace from all of them was the UN resolution to return to pre 1967 borders.  If Israel can calm down and learn to live in peace with and not covet his neighbors land then I wish them a long and prosperous future.

Otherwise if they continue down the present path they will lose, they will be destroyed literally and pointing that out, is not wishing it to happen.

Some Zionist quotes for perspective on what Rabbit or Prime Minister Armadinejad might say about Israel.

“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.  From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the