On day five of the war, it was supremely ironic that network television viewers had to tune into the 75th Annual Academy Awards ceremony to hear voices that questioned the wisdom of the Bush administration. Rumblings of protest began on Saturday. At the Independent Spirit Awards (the award ceremony for independent films) in Santa Monica, California, Maggie Gyllenhaal, the star of… return to article
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Reader Comments (2170)Make love not war = the spread of HIV/AIDS
Peace protest = distorying the city and having police watch you instead of city.
Posted by //007 on Mar 28, 2003 at 7:57 PM YAY for Michael Moore! BOO to the producers of the Academy Awards. Anyone want to bet on whether or not those stagehands were planted there by the microphone???
When did concervatism become americanism? To all of you right-wing nazis that have protested… Remember this is so far an 85 billion dollar war that will probably not end until Governor Bushy is out of the Whore House, oh, I mean White House.
Posted by Matt on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:04 PM Shelley’s comment is very typical of war protagonists.
Unfortunately, as they have no superior argument to support the war, they attack those who are against it as unpatriotic pacifists.
Posted by Peter on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:04 PM Shelley,
Who has been bad-mouthing our troops? All I’ve heard and read are people bad-mouthing the jerk who sent them over there. I have a good friend whose husband is there and she hates Bush for it. We (the anti-awar, anti-Bush crowd) want ALL of our troops home in one piece. To die for Bush’s Empire is to die for NOTHING!
Posted by J Aseff on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:04 PM Shelley,
Who has been bad-mouthing our troops? All I’ve heard and read are people bad-mouthing the jerk who sent them over there. I have a good friend whose husband is there and she hates Bush for it. We (the anti-awar, anti-Bush crowd) want ALL of our troops home in one piece. To die for Bush’s Empire is to die for NOTHING!
Posted by J Aseff on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:04 PM To the script kitty that keeps righting ASCII funny text
How old are you. Wake up and learn something, stop posting BS and random shit.
Make love not war dose not = HIV/AIDS
And peace protest donít = distorting of the cities, I have been in and seen many protests and I have never seen the city be destroyed by any one except the police.
Posted by Not A Patriotic American on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:06 PM By the way, the ratings were not down beacuse of Michael Moore, and the Anti-War sentiments, but because people were glued to Fox News and other news outlets to view the US slanted view of how the war was going. Dont’s believe everything that you see and hear on TV, it’s just as much propaganda as what Hussein is playing on Aljazzera TV in Iraq.
Posted by Matt on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:07 PM “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are in danger of being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger” -Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg trials
Posted by J Aseff on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:08 PM I want to become fascist leader, so i can murder all your families and you that oppose me. I build empire that listens to you phone calls. I will buy all news networks and newspapers that will show me as your suprime leader. I would control all the food that being sold to you. I will my people watch your every move and anything that displease me will be delt with.
Posted by fascist on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:08 PM Shelley, Go back to watching CNN! A coward is a person who sends someone else to kill someone they are afraid of or want something from. The news talks about Saddam sending his people to slaughter, what do you think Bush is doing? True Americans don’t want to see other Americans die senselessly.
Posted by Rodger on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:10 PM Excellent article about what happend at Oscar. Cheer for Michael Morore who dare to speak the truth to America and to the world…
Posted by the silent majoriity... on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:29 PM Michael,
As is your right to vent so let it be; however, as it is your gift to depict on film, show me the truth, or your best effort. Grant me your keen insight in the form of journalistict integrity. Wow me with well documented facts. I will give you the opportunity to educate me if you can. Prove to me your comments are based on fact not emotion, and then justify the need to make these comments on an awards show ...on the backs of the dead children of Columbine.
Use your gift. Prove to us all that you know more that the President. Make clear to me that your are not just another bitter democrat. Make clear to me that you are not just another windy politician.
Posted by W.T. on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:29 PM It is so sad that the people of America are being misrepresented by their government. I am happy to know that the majority of American support for the war is to keep soldiers alive rather than “winning”.
Posted by Tracy Thomas on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:30 PM I like Michael Moore. I’ve read his books and seen his movies. I even own DVDs of his TV shows. But that doesn’t mean I completely agree with him. I just think he’s good at what he does. However, I do wish he (and some others) would get over their bitterness about the 2000 election results, particularly when you consider: Gore vs. Bush
Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
States won by Gore: 19
States won by Bush: 29
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1Compiled by: Professor Joseph Olson,
Hamline University School of Law,
St. Paul, Minnesota 55104-1235
Posted by dave on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:31 PM Rodger I can’t watch CNN. I have a job and life plus a family to support. And if my troops still needed me—give me some buckets and I’ll carry water to them. They are not dying senselessly. They are heroes.
Posted by Shelley on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:32 PM Dave, Your statistics are about land mass, crime stats and such. The truth is, vote for vote (the electoral college aside) Gore won more votes. If we counted each vote and not percentages, It would be President Gore and not “President” Bush.
Posted by J Aseff on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:36 PM It is very sad that Americans are brainwashed…..take some time to learn about your foreign policy before you condem people (Michael Moore) who do.
Posted by Concerned Canadian on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:36 PM Well done Micheal, someone needs to tell it how it is. The British are behind you ( for the most part). If only this was war was really for reasons of saving the iraqi people, when really the Bush adminstration ( or Rumsfeld, Cheney and that other bloke), are doing this for oil, revenge and warmongering. Micheal, your our hope. Its simple, you know this isn’t right, it can’t be, its for the wrong reasons.
Posted by Kyle on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:36 PM The only reason I even looked up this site is to express my thoughts. Michael Moore is nothing but a whore. MM you went on national television and made clear what is obvious, your intelligence level is equivalent to the one of a baboon. You should be ashamed of yourself. I believe whether we do right or wrong, it is important for us to support the young soldiers risking their lives. The biggest risk you take is going to the all-you-can-eat buffet. I am now more informed, and will never view one of your works, and I promise you, each person who I come in contact with, that doubtfully mentions such a snake such as yourself, will know how foul you are. You are despicable, on the inside just as much as on the outside.
Posted by True Blue on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:39 PM i am sick of bullshit from you stupid fat cheseburger eating idiots syaing michael moore is a dumb fuck that should be shot. i have never viited this page before and i am discusted to see your veiws on this fantastic guy who is actually doing something about what he belives in. If any of you had read his book, seen his documentrys, you would understand that you anmericans are in so much fukn trouble with the rest of the world you have better be gratfull for a guy like this. grow up america, and realise no one likes you anymore
Posted by sick of bullshit on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:39 PM Shelley, what are they dying for? The Iraqi people? What about the millions of other people on the planet who are dying at the hands of their leaders. Are they dying because Saddam MIGHT have weapons of mass destruction? We haven’t seen proof yet so that makes it a senseless death since there is no concrete evidence. They are dying for oil and Bush’s desire to have a presence in the Middle East. Something the government has wanted since our “good friend” the Shah of Iran was booted out. If you have an argument besides what you’ve heard on the news or from Rush, please share it.
Posted by J Aseff on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:41 PM It bothers me that so many people cannot see through their own “patriotism” in defence of this war.
Nobody stands to gain anything from it! Except the lucky few that have oil interests or sit at the top of the democratic political hierachy.
Congrats MM for bringing your politics to the world. Those that wish him harm will inevitably rethink their ideals when the US lose 500,000 troops in baghdad.
go mike!!!!
Posted by mark c on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:53 PM Good job Michael! I see you as some sort of a saviour for your misled people. I feel sorry for all the americans being unjustly treated by its own nation. Peace to all of us, especially the iraqi children
Posted by Stoffe on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:55 PM Shelley has a point. We have already liberated more than 253 Iraqi’s! www.iraqbodycount.net I hope our brave troops don’t end up liberated too.
Posted by Rodger on Mar 28, 2003 at 8:58 PM The facist turn that this country has taken in the past three years has been nothing short of frightening. Apparently, if one is anti-war (or, perhaps more specifically, against this most recent “action”), they are also unpatriotic.
It would seem to me that an attempt to prevent the loss of Iraqi AND American lives by standing against this unjust war is the most patriotic thing an American could do.
More importantly, it’s the HUMAN thing to do.
Posted by Jeannie on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:14 PM Rodger, If Saddam stays in power, I’m sure he’ll liberate what’s left of the Iraqi’s. You have no clue how bad it is over there.
Posted by Shelley on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:15 PM I absolutely agree with Michael Moore: at least somebody tells you the truthabout your president! I am very shocked to see how some of you American people start to insult citizens of countries like France or Germany. A REAL DEMOCRATIC country is where the opinion of the majority of the people counts. I am from Switzerland which is the most democratic country in the whole world, but as my experience on many trips to the U.S. told me: some (or most) of you will not even know where that is (in middle europe, between France, Germany and Italy). I do admire the French and the German president who had the balls to stand up against Mr Bush and do the right thing: NOT GO TO WAR! That they do not agree with you does not mean that they are anti-americans or enemies!
Posted by Esther on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:16 PM So pleased to hear from Michael Moore the evening of the Academy Awards.
His words are so true, and I applaud Michael for his Academy Award Oscar… Bowling for Columbine is a phenomenal film.
ONe, I wish could be aired in primetime.THis war is simply wrong… and is all about and nothing else but OIL
Oil for lives. What a disgrace.We will stay in prayer.
Posted by Lise deLay on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:20 PM Thanks MM we love you here in Europe, at least there is one american who is not afraid to tell the truth. Somebody has to stop this cruel bush administration who kills childrens for oil.
Posted by GF on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:21 PM Please don’t put too much critizism in your postings or this website might end up just like Yellowtimes.org. That’s right, it got taken of the internet because it actually told and showed the truth. Unfortunately the truth hurts !
Wake up America !O tempora, o mores.
Posted by Yvo Dierick on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:24 PM One potential scenario that may develop from this tragic war (yes, we who support military action still agree that war is tragic) is this:
Iraqi women will no longer have to worry about being raped en masse. Iraqi men will no longer have to look over their shoulder before expressing an opinion. Iraqi children will receive proper nourishment and education. The Kurdish people will no longer have to worry about being gassed. The Iraqi people will enjoy a Muslim government, with all ethnic groups having equal representation, where everybody has a voice, and where leadership change will occur without bloodshed.
There may even be Iraqi independent film makers out there who will be able to share their talent with the world instead of hiding in fear.
All of these things are possible. But they will be impossible until Saddam Hussein and his psychotic, murdeing inner circle are removed from power.
I believe, after much thought, research, and praying, that the current military action, as horrible as it is, will lead to a better life for the Iraqi people and a better future for my two toddler sons.
But what do I know? I’m just a college educated Republican who believes in his president and government, doesn’t mind paying his taxes, and who experienced death on his third day in the U.S. Army in 1994.
Posted by Tom on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:26 PM By the way, have yall noticed who both Governor Bush and Saddam likes to refer to God in their struggle for victory in this war. And thats not the only resemblance.
Posted by Stoffe on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:32 PM Great article! Moore is right, he is speaking for the majority of Americans; people who fear persecution for voicing their opinon, people who are working too damn hard to hold onto to their low-wage jobs to go to a protest and people who know someone who is over in the Middle East.
Posted by Catherine on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:33 PM Shelley,
You have proven your ignorance once again. You are a person who draws conclusions with no evidence. You have no clue who I am or how much I know about “over there.” or over here for that matter.
I don’t want there to be a www.americanbodycount.net site and neither does your government (but for different reasons!). I also don’t wish the Iraqi people to suffer under Saddam any more than you or our President do. I just KNOW there was a better way to go about it.
Posted by Rodger on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:35 PM It is interesting that most of the negative comments about Mr. Moore posted here suggest violence toward him or are expressed in crass, sexual language. This is an example of the moral weakness that he laments in our culture, where those we disagree with must be dealt with violently.
Posted by Frederick Villars on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:36 PM Michael Moore is not owned by Clear Channel, AOL/Time Warner, etc. When these coorporations are desperately going out of their way to ban songs with words like “boom” or “bang” and to only broadcast images from the war that are prime-time friendly, Michael Moore is questioning and challenging the actions of a government that currently has too few people with too much power. Some people shouldn’t be so quick to defend Bush withoud reviewing some history books and articles written by people who aren’t owned by a major corporation with monetary ties to a political party.
Posted by Angela Whitten on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:38 PM I love how the dissenters of MM have to use the “fat” word to make their point. Nice way to confirm their ignorance.
Posted by Brendan on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:42 PM My father’s family has been involved the military for generations. My grandfather was a CO in WWI and II. His sons dedicated their lives. I appreciate the personal sacrifices they have made. This fact does not make me blind to the ILLEGAL and violent tactics of the Bush administration. To object to government policy DOES NOT mean that we don’t support the troops. WE WISH THEM A QUICK SAFE RETURN. These men and women (largely ethnic and economic minorities) choose the military as a lifeline to college and affordable housing. Powerful men are putting the lives of our troops in danger for nothing short of imperialism. May we know peace soon.
Posted by Conscientious citizen on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:45 PM Thank you very much for having the integrity to report truth. The news media is a sad place right now, and I throughly appreciate your covereage on the oscars. It takes a lot of guts, but you have one more reader because of it.
Posted by Christine on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:46 PM To Shelley from Houston, Texas,
The reason why your precious Oscars had its lowest television audience in 30 years is not because Mr.Moore was set to receive an award and would provoke you.
The real reason is that the world does not care- we are on the brink of armageddon and there is nothing to entertaining about that- not another holocaust movie, a musical or people we think we know but we don’t.
Shelley your people are going to die too, they are already dying- dead. Without the dignity of delivering freedom, without the support of the people you think you are liberating.
There is no other feeling but hate for America and Americans that have to destroy a village in order to save it. That America can never be safe- no amont of guns-oil-allies-money can buy back peace of mind for the people at home and abroad.
But there is another America that we the “rest” of the world used to care about- the America that is silent now. THE AMERICA THAT WAS TERRORIZED BEYOND REASON. AND NOW TERORIZING US IN RETURN. WAS IT ISRAEL THAT SET THIS FATE. FROM THE HOLOCAUST TO THE INTIFADA. WE almost bought the american dream, you know. Almost…
Realize; that is not the superbowl you are watching- it is your men killing my people. Real death- like in NY 9-11. Whoop-ass did you say? Shame on you. We the “rest” all know what you mean by democracy, land of the free-home of the brave, salvation -only in our graves that you have built for us, with the gun you sold us, and the bullet in that head that you fired, before you fell dead next to us.
Thank you America and Americans.No suprises- Bush said it on 9-12: it is the crusades. No oops.
She says “these anti-war comments are absolutely horrible.” Well lady, you don’t know horrible. I am sure you do a lot of constructive things with your time: make litter, avoid the homeless, send porn packages & death wishes to your boys over here. The earth will open up and swallow Michael Moore whole, not you or your “president elect”. It has swallowed Leonard Peltier, Malcolm X, M.L.King- you did not care.
Posted by x-american ally on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:49 PM To x-ally,
I am very curious…where does all the hate for America come from? I really don’t understand.
Please try to explain it to me in an adult and rational fashion without being insulting.
I am of the personal belief that, as an American, I am living the finest existence in the history of recorded civilization. Have I, as an American citizen, done something wrong? Have I offended the rest of the world by my very existence? I am happy and proud to be an American.
Please try to explain this to me…...
Posted by Tom on Mar 28, 2003 at 9:56 PM FACT: Tom from Denver CO is a blind sheep being led to the slaughter by the Bush lies.
FACT: I wish no ill-will towards him, I just wish everyone will learn their lesssons from history.
FACT: Daddy Bush put Noriega in power, supported Hussein and when he couldn’t get Jeb in the White House, had to engineer an election to get the dumb one in so he could regain power, get all the pipelines he couldn’t get built, built and have his sons take care of him and his poltical allies.
GOD HELP US!! SAVE US FROM THE ‘GOOD’ PEOPLE.
Posted by neil on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:01 PM I Am happy to see that M Moore is willing to go at the bat and provide a different message than the MEdia/whitehouse PR office/CNNPoll official message. As a canadian who has been to the usa very often I am quite sad and scare to see how this big mess and new world order is going to unfold. Since I was a little boy I always admire the USA for their history culture values and democratie. Now at age 34 I am a bit scare to see what is happening and how the relationship between our nations is going sour.
This Canada and France bashing is totally ridiculous . We are suppose to share the same values and here we are dumping good french wine in the river and Booing national anthem at hockey games.
I beleive we need man in power who can be diplomats and not warlord and Oil barons! We need cold headed man who can diffuse situation not send in the troops when there is no clear and present dangers. Our destiny depends on leaders who can will be cold headed when things get hot. Kennedy and the missile crisis was a good example.
I am affraid and hope as little as possible human being get kill because our leaders lack negotiation skills but have great PR skills to sell war on the 6 oclock news.
I am scare for our future and this war will have ripple effects we cannot imagine.
Posted by Mike CANADA on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:02 PM Thank God for Michael Moore. The world is united firmly: NO WAR.
Posted by Andrea on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:07 PM Oh, and Tom, consider this point:
Yes, we are a great nation, but some of us have convinced ourselves that we can only get better through a neo-Manifest Destiny.
We should be better than this. If we truly want to help nations, we should approach it like the adage of teaching a person to fish.
Unfortunately, most of this is left up to charity organizations.
What I feel most frustrated by, and I can’t speak for anyone else here, is the fact that it happens under such false pretenses.
If we truly want something from a nation, what’s wrong with saying, “We’d like to build a piepline. We’ll hire your people, provide assistance, build schools, WHATEVER you want. And you get a percentage of the profits.”
This is what they did in Alaska and it worked beautifully.
I know Alaska is a different circumstance, but it seems like every president we’ve had since before T.R. has approached situations like this by sponsoring one side against the current power, propping up the dictator, then removing him when the political interests are in jeopardy.
We’re better than that and we just aren’t showing it. There’s my frustration.
Posted by neil on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:08 PM Neil from Boise,
What “slaughter” are you talking about? Do you want to kill Americans? Are you a terrorist?
If calling me a “blind sheep” is the best you can do against my arguments, then that is all the more evidence that I am right.
Nice try…...
Posted by Tom on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:08 PM Neil,
I posted my last one before I read yours. Thanks for articulating…..
Posted by Tom on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:10 PM Well-done… it’s how I saw the event, Mike Moore, etc. Thanks.
Posted by Stephen Vittoria on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:12 PM I doubt most people who write vile, crude comments about Mr Moore have even seen his movie. I suppose the reason why I say this is because anyone who is still human inside who watches it from beginning to end will think about this war. They will not say “Moore should be shot” or ohter juvenile remarks. Why Moore did was brave and showed his integrity as a human being and a filmmaker. Nobody “fights” for any of our rights in foreign wars. they fight for greed and American imperialism. You fight to carve up countries so multi-national corporations who sponsor the Presidentional candidates can step in and buy whatever they can; take American jobs and open slave wage factories in these third world countries. You fight to remove leaders who do not show tribute to American policies, buisness and political, so we can impose our own tyrannical leaders. Democracy? Ha! We live in a republic. I challenge anyone to prove we live in a Democracy. In fact, show me one president before WWI that called our country a democracy.
Posted by Chris on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:27 PM Although in L.A., right now, I didn’t watch the Oscars, but hearing about M. Moore speech I went on his website. He has all my respect and admiration.
Great article and so many comments!
To; Mark from Tualatin and all others with similar comments, reactions and accurate, intelligent informations. THANK YOU!
Posted by "freedom" girl on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:30 PM I’m closing this out as I am off to Happy Hour.
I love the debate and the exchange of opinions!!!
As I said in my first posting - regardless of how we feel about any of this - PLEASE let us all support our young troops over there. They really need it.
Posted by Tom on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:31 PM Saw Bowling for Colimbie, and now tell EVERYONE to go out and see it, it should be compulsary viewing, and explains a lot of Americas culture to us poor bewildered Aussies… reading some of the comments eg: MM hould be shot, further commends this film. Keep telling the story Mike, you are a legend.
Now redneck, what are you going to do to me? Shoot me too?
hugs from Down Under!
Posted by Pam on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:31 PM I am so glad to have in this country thinking, feeling people like Michael Moore who have the courage to stand up for what they believe is right. Michael Moore for President!
Posted by Aimee Brodeur Johnson on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:37 PM go michael! canadians are 100% behind you. did bush not say he wanted to defend the “freedom” in his fictitious country. bush should also go after those american terrorists that threaten your freedom of speech. to those bush supporters, look at what your nation’s foreign policy has done to this world in the last 50 years. many dictators and murders are supported and armed by your government. shame on you.
Posted by tony on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:38 PM I live in a country that is very much involved in this war. I live in a country where anti-war sentiment rides high, yet goes unpublicised. I live in a country that realises that Mr Bush is just that, not Mr President. I live in a country that recognises satire. I live in a country that recognises Mr Moore as a shining light for democracy and salutes his stand. I live in Britain and I feel the need to say that we are not anti-American, we are anti-Bush, there is a significant difference. All of you that have eloquently voiced an opinion, whether it be pro or anti-war, just remember that your right to free speech is what you are talking about here, regardless of location or situation. I count myself amongst those who stand against this war and resent my opinion being oppressed. You think this war is about democracy? Well I haven’t seen much democracy about lately, but I have smelt it. If you want to smell it too, then just go out to your car, turn on the engine, and then take a good sniff at the tailpipe…........oooheee they smell democracy, they smell freedom…....and they will bomb, maim and kill to defend it. Never stop debating, never let those who control tell you that debate is undemocratic or unpatriotic. We can voice an opinion against our leaders without spitting on our troops. We can support troops while at the same time condemning the men that order them in. Americans on this site, I salute you. Michael Moore I salute you. Whats more I can see why Mr Bush is in this war, what I haven’t got a clue about is why the fuck Prime Minister Blair is in it.
Posted by DB on Mar 28, 2003 at 10:43 PM I like the fact that someone is standing up for the common man, someone who doesn’t bow down to the tyranny of the majority. Many ignorant loudmouthed childbeaters will scream for Moore’s head, but their anger only stems from the fact that deep down, they know he’s right. and they know that we will prevail. We are the true Americans, not soulsucking automotons bowing down to a fascist ignorant racist pig like Governor George Bush JR.
Posted by osiris on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:02 PM I was really happy to see that not everyone in America believes what he is told by the american propaganda. I was really happy to see, that there are people like Micheal Moore and some people who have posted their messages here, who are against this war. This war is illegal and immoral!!! It is really sad, that most of the Americans are to blind to realize this, that many people in the most powerful country of the world are not able to use their brains… Michael Moore is right, and he is brave enough to sey the truth, that is why many people in Europe love him and his book “Stupid White Men”.
Posted by Jonathan on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:06 PM The critics of Michael Moore can make him irrelevant in an instant. Here’s how: First, you buy a video camera, then make a positive upbeat, feel-good movie about thousands of American workers being downsized by a company that post’s profits!
Posted by Michael on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:13 PM Thank you Michael Moore. As for your detractors, especially the people who want to see you “taken out and shot”, they obviously don’t understand freedom, and indeed their attitude would make them perfect members of Saddam’s Republican guard. BTW, the country didn’t take a shift to the right last election: the election iself was hijacked.
PNAC is the new Mein Kampf.
Posted by A Proud American on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:26 PM As we can see, our commentator Mark (3.24.03) epitomizes the intellect of a true American. He doesn’t justify his words with fact or at least opinion, instead he badgers Michael Moore based on his physical appearance, while adding to his point with typographical and grammatical errors. Mark, thank you for humoring me with this work of art and your true genius.
By the way, I’m OBVIOUSLY “speaking with my wallet” as a lower-middle class student campaigning for an America where everyone has an equal voice, (yes, even you,) in this so-called “democracy.”
“Too smart to fight, too smart to kill, we are all human, let’s start to prove it!!!” -Anti-Flag
Posted by Jaclyn on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:35 PM ‘Stupid White Men’ is a MUST READ for every american. As a proud citizen of the United States of America, I am sick of the greed, manipulation and propaganda that has brought our young men and women to Iraq. Shame on the media for not reporting the reaction of the audience to Moore’s address correctly. Shame on the Bush administration for manipulating hundreds of thousands of americans into believing that this war is necessity. Shame on all of us who do not question the administration’s incentive for promoting this unnecessary war.
Posted by jmk on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:38 PM Talk, talk! That’s what Bush wants. The Fact is that he is a dangerous man, bringing dangerous times, and I’m afraid that You (americans) are the only ones who can stop him, and I also doubt that it can be done peacefully. God help us all.
Posted by Vule on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:43 PM Many of the hateful, negative comments found here serve only to affirm the need for thoughtful dialogue and understanding in the world. This administration’s failure at diplomacy represents our failure as a nation to think critically and communicate effectively. We need to take responsibility for our actions and make those who govern responsible for their actions. It is the duty of each of us to speak out against that which we see as wrong. The promise of our nation is great, but our recent behaviour and rhetoric has been appalling. In a way, we are all to blame for this war. Yes, shame on you Mr. Bush. Shame on us all!
Posted by Harold on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:43 PM Well Done. At least the truth is being printed somewhere in the United States.
As a nation where free speech is suposedly so sacred, the people of the US are far to quick in their condemnation of those with whom they disagree.
Posted by CJ on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:44 PM Maybe some of you redneck morons should take the risk of watching something else than equalized and neutralised media like CNN or FOX…take the risk of looking for what the free european media is showing about your bestial war that your so called government doesn’t want you to see!!!
thank you, Mr.Moore
to America: OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
Posted by Andreas on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:46 PM Governor Bush is a stupid jerk. No red-blooded American white trashed idiot, whose only source of news is that fat fuck Rush, can say otherwise. I guess it takes one anus to know another!!
Posted by Bush whacked on Mar 28, 2003 at 11:47 PM We’re living in horifying times revisiting McCarthy and black listing only worse it’s hidden, it’s corporate. People need to find out what has just been taken from us. Since the axis of EVIL, Bush, Chenney and Ashcroft have been rewriting the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Check out the NPR website, the Patriot Act. The FATHERLAND SECURITY world we are entering is Orwellian. Read the book 1984, read The Trial of Henry Kissinger after you’ve read Stupid White Men. I would move from the USA as some have suggested but our HORRIBLE FOREIGN POLICY would only make life even more miserable somewhere else. I left GM after 16 years because I could not in all conscience make tank transmissions. I’ve lost over $300,000 in wages and I’m scared sleepless because at 60 I can’t support myself. It’s the economy stupid applies even more now. I think the war is a cover for a bankrupt economy. Bush has accomplished what Ben Laden couldn’t. The whole world hates our blatant hypocracy. Someday the people all over the world that say they love Americans but hate our government will realize we are the government and we don’t believe in accountability in our leaders or ourselves. We are the government, shame on us.
Posted by mary ann schott on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:10 AM Shit, why has it all been quiet? I’m not being facetious, WHO ARE THE DIXIE CHICKS?
Posted by DB on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:10 AM Moore is an ignorant parasite feeding on our society. He hates America and our capitalist system. Send him to Cuba where he belongs!
Posted by Jack Langdon on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:10 AM I am a vet too, Benson, a combat veteran. I am proud to have fought for this guy’s freedom of speech. Too bad, judging from some folks responses, it was a losing battle. The saddest thing of all is that we fought, apparently, for people’s freedom of speech to say only those who agree with them have the freedom of speech. That is sad indeed. We should all weep for the dieing America.
Posted by john on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:20 AM Tomorrow my beautiful niece leaves for war.
Today I am full of sadness.
We’re leaving to save the Iraqi people right?
We’ll I’ve got something to say.
Why don’t we free everyone?
Since we want to be so generous—let’s go free Cuba. Cuba has been oppressed country since they had a bad dictator who has given all it’s people poverty and no chance of advancement.
Let’s free Cuba—-
Oh wait, they don’t have oil!
Michael Moore is speaking for family’s like mine who do not think we need to interfere with country’s who are in support of their president. Most Iraqi people are happy with Sadam in office. Is our idea of civilization everyone’s? I think not.I pray that no one get’s hurt—but it’s too late.
I pray for my niece who think’s she’s doing good.
I pray she comes back.
Peace—
Posted by Adriana on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:23 AM Posted by: Jeremi on 3.28.03 | 1:06 pm from Vermont:
Anti-war is not Anti-American,
Anti-war is not Pro-Saddam,
Anti-war does not equal Anti-troops (after all we are trying to get them OUT of harm’s way, right?)
And most notably,
In a Democracy Ignorance is DANGEROUS.Jeremi,
You are correct in that those terms are not necessarily analogies. However, at this time, while our VOLUNTEER military is very much in harm’s way - anti-war protesters and demonstrations can be dangerous to troopers’ morale. They need to feel supported by all Americans. We do not want to treat this soldiers the way the VN vets were treated.
Posted by Catherine Jacocks on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:25 AM Why is it that when a leftist speaks out, then those opposed attack character and sling schoolyard insults? Use your rhetoric to prove your point, not dirt. Michael Moore is a hero who cares passionately for his country and the people in it. Lately, due to the politics, poverty, and lack of appreciation for educators in America, I have considered setting up residence in Canada. Moore inspires me to stay and fight for the rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Thank you Michael Moore; you make me proud to be an American.
Posted by Mindy D. on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:27 AM It’s funny how ignorant people are, in this country and rely on second grade tactics to put down someone.I am glad that someone is speaking the truth in this country and tries to make people think about real issues.People in this country need to start to open their minds and maybe pick up a book and read about history and other cultures.Oh and by the way I am a war vet myself and I do not agree with president Bush a.k.a the chickenhawk.Its tim for people to open their eyes,we are not fighting for freedom but big buisness.If the government really gave two shits about it’s troops then they wouldn’t try and lie about gulf war syndrome and deny deny troops from health care.One more thing if president chickenhawk really cared about the armed forces and our first responders then he wouldnt try and pass bills that taken away foundings for these people.
Posted by nick on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:34 AM MOORE AND HIS SPEECH ARE TOTALLY DISGUSTING.a lot of people booed him in the audience, not just the stage-hands. Tell the truth, when you print a story.
Posted by JANE BURRINGTON on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:44 AM The literacy level of the majority of these postings is appalling! Analisa and Tom, appreciate your comments. Neil, great dialogue with Tom @4:08. And Andi, if the famous fault splits, then you could be living in the separate country of California.
Posted by Catherine Jacocks on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:55 AM Michael Moore is the man, so what if he speaks his mind as an american isnt that our 1st ammendment right? Plus Moore hooked up with System Of A Down for one of the sweetest things I’ve seen in awhile.
Posted by JD on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:01 AM down with bush and howard (and loder). more moore! fictituos times indeed. it is time for the people to wake up and see what is happening. money and oil are the only interests of bush and his cronies. don’t people lsiten to their instincts anymore?? thanks for printing this story:)
Posted by victoria on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:04 AM My real name, my real location…...
Moore said some right things and some stupid things….. Judge him by his important film. The people out there who own guns…. Lock em the fuck up idiots… You have the right to own guns, you also have a mature adult like responsibility to lock the fucking things up so your stupid child will not shoot me or my kids.
Posted by Brian Commeans on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:12 AM Michael Moore rules!
“No blood for oil!”
WWJB?
Who Would Jesus Bomb?
Posted by "Shoot Movies...not Iraqis" on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:14 AM We need a lot more Michael Moore to change our fellow americans closed mind.. shut the TV off..turn on the radio like KPFK.. and read any other newspapers besides a US one!! try the Toronto star.. www.antiwar.com..
www.unitedforpeace.com…and of course www.michaelmoore.com.
call the so called media and let them know what nonsense work they do ...and how beautifully they mislead the American people…
Yes, Shame on you Bush….
Congrats to you Mr Michael..
You deserve more than an Oscar.. looking foward to have you win the Plame D’Or in Cannes , France.
Posted by Evelyne on Mar 29, 2003 at 4:22 AM Michael Moore rocks! He, and Chomnsky, are the only 2 northamericans who give the US a real good name.
We, outside USA, hate the policies of Mr. Bush and his oily friends.
Posted by Alberto on Mar 29, 2003 at 4:37 AM Here’s a site with the full story about the quote by
Herman Goering
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
Posted by Mike on Mar 29, 2003 at 4:49 AM Michael Moore is an intelligent, compassionate, and straightforward human-being. Thank goodness the world has him because he has the courage and patience to speak up for the things most of us believe in yet fail to make the time for. We love you Michael!!!
Posted by ELK on Mar 29, 2003 at 4:59 AM Michael Moore, you are the greatest voice thiscountry has had since Martin Luthar King Jr. and Malcom X. keep doing what you are doing and I, as well the rest of the world, will be behind you 100%.
Posted by Keith Page on Mar 29, 2003 at 5:19 AM For people to dismiss Moore as being a bafoon, is not only pathetic, its exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Keep watching the war with a bloodlust erection in the facade of homeland security. you need to be protected from your gov’t folks..if you gave Moore’s efforts a chance you’d see, its research based and valid…like the moon landing, the grassy null and Noreaga (?)..9/11 was nothing more than a riechstag fire to get people vengful for the same damn cause thats been ruling the country for over a a half a century…you are too content with the distractions you were raised in…
Posted by Sadam Bin Laden on Mar 29, 2003 at 5:24 AM On the Oscar stage, Michael Moore was his outrageous self. In the well dressed Hollywood audience, people alternately booed and cheered. Around the country, now that war has begun, pro-military demonstrations are popping up next to the peace protests. In San Francisco, bakers hoisted bagels shaped in peace signs, shouting “Make loaves, not war.”
Free speech, the very first of the constitutional amendments, is on display for all the world to see, and that’s as it should be.
Once the fighting started, some people suggested that those who oppose the war should just be quiet and support the troops. But it’s possible to be loudly antiwar without wishing ill upon the forces engaged in it. It’s possible to be angry that soldiers are in harm’s way and still pray for their safe return, even for victory. Likewise, people don’t have to be war-mongers to believe that the United States is finally doing what it had to do to disarm Saddam Hussein.
It’s easy to forget all that when emotions are high, when images being sent back from Baghdad are so chilling, when every military victory seems also to bring reports of new casualties. But that freedom to dissent, to argue, to disagree is part of what the men and women in uniform are fighting for in Iraq. People there cannot criticize their government without fear of death. People here have the freedom to recognize Michael Moore as a self-promoting provocateur- and criticize him for it.
Whether supporting troops, questioning their deployment to Iraq or both, every voice lifted to debate these trying times is patriotic. What American would truly prefer to eliminate free speech- or worse, live in a world where everyone embraced war as an easy answer?
—Op- ed column Detroit Free Press 3-26-03
I thought that this summed it up pretty well, especially for the Scab rag- Free Press
Posted by Matt Wojcik on Mar 29, 2003 at 5:28 AM Michael Moore is my hero! If I had a choice of Mr. Moore and Mr. Bush to be my president, I would definately tust that Michael would lead us with trust and good will. I do not trust the motives of Bush and how he has found a way to use politics in his business ventures. Furthermore, I’ve noticed that many of the submitters with negative comments towards Michael also have some violence in them.
Posted by nkki on Mar 29, 2003 at 5:43 AM Micheal Moore has had the longest 15 minutes I’ve ever seen—they started in the ‘80s, with a string of incredible documentaries and books that have provoked Americans, and the rest of the world to challenge what is being shoved down our throats by the media, our governments and hollywood. I praise him for speaking out against the war crimes that have been committed by America, and I only hope that one day George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are brought to justice for the crimes they have committed against humanity.
Thank you Mr. Moore, the intelligent, caring people of the world support you
Posted by danielle on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:04 AM I’m glad you said what you said at the Oscars. I’ve taken some excerpts about the 2000 election from Stupid White Men and posted them around NYC. I also added a comment about depleted uranium being used in ammunition that will cause U.S. troops and Iraqis to become ill and/or needlessly die from radioactive contamination. People who disagree with you just don’t know the facts.
Posted by linda on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:05 AM Anti-war does not mean that we don’t care for our troops. I saw an interesting clip on tv the other day. A reporter was asking men in line enlisting in the army. She asked how many of them were there for the college money. All but maybe 7 or 8 of them (out of 30) raised their hand. We need a professional army, an army of soldiers that want to have a career in the military, not people that are there, hoping they won’t have to fight, so they can go to college. This war is bullshit, Bush is bullshit. Whoever said “MM should be shot” is a total dipshit. that’s exactly the mentality that caused MM to make Bowling For Columbine in the first place. They’re the kind of people that created Moore. Can wait for Moore’s next film he’s doing with Mel Gibson. It’s essentially the history of the Bush administrations ties to bin Laden and Saddam
Posted by kevin on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:06 AM To the person holding up Bush’s academic and business “accomplishments”:
Wisdom might be important, but not necessary when your grandfather is on the board of regents at Yale. Or a powerful political father that is also an alumni of Harvard.
The only thing Bush the Younger has going for him is the Bush name. He never had a business success. Unless you count the myriad businesses that failed while he was with them. He was really successful at driving company values down. Again, he was employable because he came from a grand old oil family with probably more political clout than any other family in our country’s history.
Where was his bravery when he skipped out on his last 18 months of service with the Texas Air Guard? Where was his compassion when he mocked a death row inmate on tv?
Our president tells tall tales every time he opens his mouth. He wouldn’t know the truth if it jumped up and bit him on the ass.
If he was a non-Bush, he’d be the shiftless drunk that sit’s at Hardee’s while he waits for his unemployment/disability check.
To the person who doesn’t have time to watch the news (or presumbably hunt out news that’s worth reading) and pretends she has an informed opinion. That’s cute.
That being said, Michael Moore is a satirist, above all else. In the tradition of Jonathan Swift and Mark Twain, he builds a story around a basic truth. Many less well read people (ie, most of america, apparently) wouldn’t recognize satire if it sat on their face and wiggled. They’d think Swift was serious when he suggested eating babies to end Irish famine and overpopulation.
Bunch of ig’nant folks in this country. Not stupid, just can’t be bothered to exercise their brain.
Posted by Lobowski on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:10 AM God bless Michael Moore! I sure hope we will get rid of Bush next year because the world (including US) won’t survive another 4 years to his “foreign policy”. He is truly the representative of all the morons in US!
Posted by mark smith on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:36 AM I found most people who disagree with Michael Moore attack him personally instead of reasoning with him and this is what America is doing to the world now. It is sad that some people can never understand that other people can have different opionion and should be respected the same as themselves.
Posted by Jenny on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:42 AM Michael, if you should run across this thread, just know there will be plenty of moronic comments about what a loser blah blah blah you are, and how you should be shot blah blah blah—- please keep reporting reality for what it’s worth and what life could be like without the violence our leaders subject us to.
Tonight, I saw “Bowling For Columbine.” and even though the film is at least a year old, it is so eerily prophetic—it is HAPPENING NOW—and shows how this President Select is duping the world all over to make a killing at the bank, no care for the children or the elderly or Joe Regular, but his own “401K” and Enron buddies. So much of this bad news can be paralyzing but your book, “Stupid White Men” and film motivates me to campaign for a spot as Delegate. While I am homebound, I can’t do much BUT write letters to Senators, Congress Yahoos, take my baby in the stroller and hangout at the corner with a banner that says NO WAR FOR OIL… and… pray.
Peace is Patriotic. To want to end this White Guy War is to want to bring our military families safely home so that children can have TWO PARENTS in the house and not end up as a single mother who has to slave labor with two jobs because Welfare is trated like an offense in America.
Thank you for showing Charleton Heston that he is not all that safe in his house with all those guns because he has to live with the gun-killing of children.
Thank you also for helping empower the teenaged Columbine survivors with their powerful lobbying K-Mart to remove munitions from their stores.
And, I don’t know if you know about this… but Rite-Aid (formerly Thrifty’s) and Save-On’s are selling military toy machine guns stuffed inside Easter baskets and boy am I ever pissed. Your film encourages me to take action.
God Bless You, and, if Ashcroft should ever get his way with Patriot II, I will see you in France (or Switzerland)... or… Canada!
Hugs, Louise
Posted by Louise on Mar 29, 2003 at 6:55 AM I just want to say to Americans that you have alot of power right now. You have the power to save the world and you have the power to destroy it. But right now I don’t see much saving.
Please, listen to someone who is not an American. Most of the world does not see you as “The greatest country on earth” or “the benevolent leader of the free world”. Most of the world sees you as angry, ignorant, violent, rude and scary people. I honestly do not know anyone who would say they like Americans.
You can’t say “Screw em” forever. Please, calm down and think about how your actions are affecting the rest of the world. Because everything you do affects the rest of the world. And if your solution for everything is violence, how do you think the rest of the world will react?
Posted by It doesn't matter on Mar 29, 2003 at 7:05 AM The people that write to this should stay abreast of the facts. Michael Moore has been around a long time. He is not in for just fifteen minutes. He has been around for fifteen years.
Posted by ME on Mar 29, 2003 at 7:12 AM The only thing threatening American freedom is Americans!
Posted by stacy on Mar 29, 2003 at 7:30 AM itdoesn’t matter—I agree with you. It is a wonder why so much violence must exist in this world, and I think the crisis in America is its access to watching violence 24/7 on boob tube—the thing that uniquely separates USA from all other nations is the media—I don’t know if you are getting the same news, but in the States, there is next to zero reportage on the death “casualities” of Iraqi civillians… there have been small blurbs in ticker footers reporting “27 US troops have been killed” but no official number, and with that, “7 Iraqi civillians have been accidentaly killed in the bombing of Baghdad,” but other than that, it’s all one big video game bonanza.
The problem in America is the gigantic media conglomeration which creates violence/fear addiction-dependencies.
It is true that Americans crave violence—We have TV shows called COPS, JERRY SPRINGER, MAURY POVICH, JENNY JONES and they’re all about shock, trauma and violence where viewers root for lynchings/mobbings, and all the head honchos can do is up their antes… this time, this time weare so anesthetiszed that we need a REAL war with real mean artillary in a real challenging dangerous situation because BIG BROTHER, SURVIVOR and THE BACHELOR aren’t good enough Reality Shows. In fact, COPS has been knock out of place with PROFILES (live coverage of the Iraq war).
But—Just know there are also MILLIONS of regular folk who are against this war machine and our voices are being under-reported, even minimized by the Chief when called “A Focus Group”—but it will be only a matter of time when everyone will be in the streets demanding for Bush to step down and end this horrid genocide.
I’m sorry, too.
Posted by Louise on Mar 29, 2003 at 7:31 AM the fact that only certain media allows us to know facts such as the support shown to Michael Moore at the Oscars, the true death toll in Iraq, or the truth behind the 2000 (s)election (Bush is not MY president) shows that this is no longer a democracy and that we need wonderful people like Moore to expose the truth. Anti-war does not mean Anti-patriotism. supporting the troops who are doing their job and dying for us, i do very much. but they are fighting blindly for a man just as greedy and evil as saddam himself. i dont see a difference between dictators. thank you, Mr. Moore. I admire and support you.
Posted by Melissa Nordin on Mar 29, 2003 at 7:52 AM For all those why deny the fiction of this war you ought to understand that you are merely a product of spineless American media sources. If you want to find out what is really happening you can’t just flip on the tube and see the truth buzzing on Fox News. Don’t be a fucking tool. Respond to me via email if you can refute this.
Posted by Justin on Mar 29, 2003 at 9:20 AM Kudos to Moore for standing up for what he believes in. The state of this country- that our first amendment rights seem to be fading, that our people are politically illiterate, that our patriotism is often blind and that we have an unelected man in office serving as a dictator- is frightening and must be addressed by all those who oppose such a demoralizing fall from grace.
No, Moore’s speech was not eloquent, nor well put together, but it was passionate and honest. Those are qualities lacking in America’s voice.
Posted by Lillian on Mar 29, 2003 at 10:40 AM Sadly in Australia we actually elected our Prime Minister fair and square. Unfortunately about 80% of the population don’t want needless killing yet he blindly followed George W into the breach. I’m sure if MM did a little research over here he’d find a lot more stupid white men.
Posted by P Brownett on Mar 29, 2003 at 10:41 AM “I am a Vet and to think I fought for this assholes right of free speech makes me puke…”...No, what you fought for was, and what today’s soldiers are fighting for, is the expansion of the American Empire for the pure benefit of the political and economic elites of the USA. No war or invasion that the US has ever been in has ever been for peace, democracy, human rights (what Kennan termed “idealistic slogans.”) whether for Americans or others (ie. Iraqi citizens). This is not just an opinion or a conspiracy theory, it is the truth. It is the truth as told by the US government internal documents, memos, etc. It is verifiable, though it requires work; and intellectual work is something most Americans seem unable or unwilling to do…so they remain at the mercy of their government and corporate mass media and “education” to define their thoughts. As for Moore, his work is not highly difficult to follow, it is written in a language most people can understand, and all his work is backed up by evidence you can check on. The only criticism you so called “patriots” can place on him is complete ad hominen. Geez, be creative at least, Quote the other fat boy Rush Limbaugh…anyhthing. Put some though into yout anti-Moore statements so as to make you look somewhat well-learned. Then again, all those pro-war people can spew are unimaginative, vague, abstract slogans.
Posted by 911 on Mar 29, 2003 at 10:48 AM Why is it that we only hear from the pro-war “vets” and military “experts?” The voice of others who fought and have first hand knowledge documented prrof of the reality behind US aggression are never heard. For example,
and
Posted by 911 on Mar 29, 2003 at 10:54 AM Firstly, Well done Michael Moore for actually speaking the truth.
I can’t understand anyone actually arguing with MM unless they hadn’t read his literature or seen his documentary’s. Surely it’s a bit naive and narrow minded to be so blazenly against someone who you know nothing or very little about.
I’m personally tired of hearing people on this board abuse others just based on their stance on the war. But while I’m prepared to listen to others views about having to rid Saddam from power, it seems that people are neglecting to mention ‘at any cost’. How many innocent lives have to be lost before people start to realise that this is an unjust war, fought with motives so ingrained and undiscussed that it’s frightening.
I can’t see this war coming to an end soon, because it seems no matter how many millions of people protesting against war there was no acknowledgement by U.S or British government, and how can you take a tyrant from power when theres an unelected person in charge of the invading country with gun laws so outdated and backward that their own countries faults are put aside.One of the worst and most poignant things I heard the other day was when I was watching tv with my nephew, he said to me about incresed gun violence in England, ‘Oh no, we’re not gonna turn out like america with shootings every day are we?’
You know what I couldn’t answer him, how are we supposed to show our children and the future of our countries that violence is wrong, when our leaders decide against a diplomatic conclusion to a conflict, and instead go into a war with apparent disregard for the UN, seeming to only benefit themselves in a time when both Countries (US and Britain) are facing increasing domestic issues, the US’s economy and Britains asylum problem.Seems strange that thats all been forgotten now isn’t it?
Posted by Jethro Perkins on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:00 AM Micheal Moore congratulations with your fine achievements with Bowling for Columbine. Your documentary brings alot of hope to many americans to take a stand and speak up against this fictious right wing government. Your fine work is highly respected in Europe, especially in France, Germany and the U.K.
Like DB from London said, “Can any one tell us “What the Dixie Chicks are”? Please let us know, your answer will be highly appreciated.
There’s another thing I would like to say for Mrs. Catherine Jacocks.
Mrs Jarcocks,
I would just like to say that I’m quite in laughter just to hear that you have said that Germans and French are anti hate american mongers. Iím afraid that your judgements are too weak. In any way have French and Germans hated americans. They don’t hate the american people. They just to don’t agree with this fictious govt. France and Germany believes in peaceful solutions and war only comes at the very very very very very very end. They know what war is and they don’t want for this to repeat again. For your information, France and Germany were the ones insisting that the U.N. inspectors be given more time for Iraq to disarm knowing that there was evidence of progress, which was reported by Hans Blix, that Iraq was disarming. I have the impression that you have never visited Europe and I suggest you should do it and then youíll see how safe it is and that europeans donít hate americans. Your mind will open up with so much with beautiful history that the continent has to offer. After all you love History, don’t you? Another thing that I would like to say, Jimmy Carter and Nelson Mandella don’t agree with this war because at the end, it’s the iraqi civilians who will be the victims and they strongly agree that there’s always peaceful ways to solve the conflicts. It’s not the anti war campaign that will turn this war into a vietnam war. On the contrary, they’re trying to avoid it from becoming a vietnam war or if not into a WWIII. If this was to ever happend, donít blame it on the protestors blame it on the reckless admininstration. If you ever want to teach your school children some history I suggest you do some more research. It all depends what you want to teach them.Sincerely,
La dÈmocracieP.S.
I’m still anxious to know what the Dixie Chicks are?
Posted by la dÈmocracie on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:03 AM Micheal Moore congratulations with your fine achievements with Bowling for Columbine. Your documentary brings alot of hope to many americans to take a stand and speak up against this fictious right wing government. Your fine work is highly respected in Europe, especially in France, Germany and the U.K.
Like DB from London said, “Can any one tell us “What the Dixie Chicks are”? Please let us know, your answer will be highly appreciated.
There’s another thing I would like to say for Mrs. Catherine Jacocks.
Mrs Jacocks,
I would just like to say that I’m quite in laughter just to hear that you have said that Germans and French are anti hate american mongers. Iím afraid that your judgements are too weak. In any way have French and Germans hated americans. They don’t hate the american people. They just to don’t agree with this fictious govt. France and Germany believes in peaceful solutions and war only comes at the very very very very very very end. They know what war is and they don’t want for this to repeat again. For your information, France and Germany were the ones insisting that the U.N. inspectors be given more time for Iraq to disarm knowing that there was evidence of progress, which was reported by Hans Blix, that Iraq was disarming. I have the impression that you have never visited Europe and I suggest you should do it and then youíll see how safe it is and that europeans donít hate americans. Your mind will open up with so much with beautiful history that the continent has to offer. After all you love History, don’t you? Another thing that I would like to say, Jimmy Carter and Nelson Mandella don’t agree with this war because at the end, it’s the iraqi civilians who will be the victims and they strongly agree that there’s always peaceful ways to solve the conflicts. It’s not the anti war campaign that will turn this war into a vietnam war. On the contrary, they’re trying to avoid it from becoming a vietnam war or if not into a WWIII. If this was to ever happend, donít blame it on the protestors blame it on the reckless admininstration. If you ever want to teach your school children some history I suggest you do some more research. It all depends what you want to teach them.Sincerely,
La dÈmocracieP.S.
I’m still anxious to know what the Dixie Chicks are?
Posted by la dÈmocracie on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:05 AM You know Michael Moore must be one of the truly great Americans. Before Martin Luther King was killed, he so defamed. The closer a person comes to achieving truly great and brave works, the more fire they will face. In the world of blind people the man with one eye is king.
Posted by Jeremy Eaton on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:07 AM MICHAEL MOORE’S NEXT FILM
FAHRENHEIT 911
the temperature that freedom burns at
Moore Film To Claim Ties Between Bush, Bin Laden ClansWhile he caused a big furor at the Oscars Sunday with his controversial remarks about President George W. Bush, documentary filmmaker is hardly finished with taking the commander in chief to task.
But perhaps most shockingly, Moore will also spell out alleged dealings between two generations of the Bush and bin Laden clans, according to Variety.
“The primary thrust of the new film is what has happened to the country since Sept. 11, and how the Bush administration used this tragic event to push its agenda,” Moore said in the Variety report.
Moore said the film “certainly does deal with the Bush and bin Laden ties,” and “asks a number of questions that I don’t have the answers to yet, but which I intend to find out.” The trade paper said Moore has done research for the film for a year.
Described as a “circumstantial” tie, the Variety report said that the business relationship began with former President George Bush and Saudi construction magnate Mohammed bin Laden, the father of Osama—a relationship that endured.
“The senior Bush kept his ties with the bin Laden family up until two months after Sept. 11,” Moore said.
Moore plans to release “Fahrenheit 911” in time for France’s Cannes Film Festival in 2004—a release timed before the presidential election that fall.
...http://www.wral.com/entertainment/2071617/detail.html
see also
Posted by mark on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:08 AM When Hitler came to power, the Nazis burned down the Parliament (Reichstag) and blamed it on the Communists - the pretext used to implement dictatorship.
911 was the American Reichstag Fire.
http://www.oilempire.us
http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/ stupidwhitemen/onlinechapters/part01.php
“The Sad and Sordid Whereabouts of bin Cheney and bin Bush”
A Free Online Chapter addition to “Stupid White Men”
by Michael MoorePart One: “What Does a 99-cent Bic Lighter Tell Us About the Bush War on Terrorism?”
highlight:
the Pandora’s Box of 9-11, a rotten can of worms that many in the media are afraid to open for fear of where it might lead, of just how deep the stench goes.
What if there is no “terrorist threat?” What if Bush and Co. need, desperately need, that “terrorist threat” more than anything in order to conduct the systematic destruction they have launched against the U.S. constitution and the good people of this country who believe in the freedoms and liberties it guarantees?
... The bottom line: Anyone who would brazenly steal an election and insert themselves into OUR White House with zero mandate from The People is, frankly - sadly - capable of anything.
Posted by mark on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:12 AM FOR TOM IN DENVER
You wrote that
We are living the best existence in the history of recorded civilization. If you don’t like it here, move.
Your way of life is temporary, based on grotesque levels of exploitation and depleting non-renewable energy supplies.oilempire.us
dieoff.orgYour kids will not have the same wasteful living standards that you enjoyed, because the oil is finite - even if Iraq becomes the 51st State.
Teach them how to garden and feed themselves, so they will eat after the cheap oil starts to run out.
Our shopping maul, SUV, Chinese sweatshop/Wal-Mart dysfunction is literally wrecking the life support systems of hte world. Doesn’t the record drought in Denver (despite last week’s snow) make you think something might be wrong?
Martin Luther King noted that our survival as a species was dependent on seeing ourselves as people of the world, not nationalists.
EARTH: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
Posted by mark on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:23 AM Michael Moore is the best, I hope all americans, would think like him!
Posted by Gustavo on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:31 AM GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
While Mr. Moore has a right to his opinion using the Oscars to invade my home & force his political views down my throat infuriates me.
I am sick of celebrities taking every opprotunity they get to tell me how I am feeling. Mr. Moore has no idea how I am feeling as I sit here wondering if my nephew who is all of 25 will return home safely. I am proud to be an American & I stand behind my country & my President.
Dear God… Please bring our children home safely.
Posted by Tina on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:50 AM Tina thats the point, your nephew should never have had to go out and fight if it wasn’t for Bush. As for ‘invading your home and sticking his political views down your throat’, surely as endless others have stated ‘get out of the country’ why not use your remote and change channel, so you can watch the blanket coverage of the war, and all the iraqi civilians they don’t tell you are dying.
i hope your nephew returns safely too, as with everyone ‘involved’ in the conflict. Even though your nephew had a choice to go there, Iraqi’s don’t have that choice.
Posted by Jethro Perkins on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:08 PM Dear America. I can’t help but feel sorry for you and what is happening in your country. It seems to the rest of the world that it is all going horribly wrong, and has been for some time. Face it, only half of you vote, and even then you don’t even get the president you elected. Corporate America pumps money away from you and away from the rest of the world, drying everything out and making 2% of your population have alle the money and all the power. Why oh why don’t you stop this? Come the next election, register and vote, and get rid of the leeches sucking at your blood and sucking at your brain. Vote for a party willing to reduce violence, poverty, polution and corruption. The people in charge do not care about these things. You, the people, must do - I’m sure. Anything else would be suicidal and will bring your own downfall. Why is it I ask that Bush has already sold the contracts to rebuild Iraq? Because it’s all about money, the war in Iraq, the way your country is exploited by parasites from within. It is up to you to stop this…You need more Michael Moores, and more people with sense.
T
Posted by James Naismith on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:17 PM I would just like to say that 5 stage hands boing while a crowd of conscientious celebreties applaud should tell you all something important: the movement for Peace is the overwhelming majority of us and the Pro-war sector is the MINORITY. We that cry out for Peace are moved by wisdom and compassion to use our voice. The hostile and obviously scared pro-war few have to HIRE people make their point of view heard. Like a child that won’t listen to reason, covering it’s ears, closing its eyes and yelling: “blah,blah,blah…!” I get that same impression looking at some of the comments posted here. Who taught these children that if you disagree with someone you should shoot them? Michael Moore represents the overwhelming majority. Let’s take some strength in that and stop validating these “executioners” of our freedom by even giving them our time of day. Peace
Posted by Michael on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:25 PM Since I saw Michael Moore on Oscar Night, the words “home of the brave” got a new meaning for me!!!
Mike for president!
Posted by Arndt on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:29 PM Dear Jethro…
My nephew had a choice? I am not sure what you mean. Lots of young men & women join the military after leaving school. It’s a great way to see the world & get an education while learning discipline, something we all need to get through this life. No, he never expected to go to war. None of us expected it but we are there & I will stand behind our men & women in uniform & trust that those we put in power know more about the world situation than Mr. Moore or the Dixie Chicks.
As far as the remote comment goes… If I want to hear news & views I’ll tune in to CNN or Fox or the many hundreds of other shows that are on 24/7.
When he appeared on Oprah you didn’t hear any uproar because everyone who watched KNEW what the show involved & that is the difference.
Posted by Tina on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:31 PM Why is it that the most vocal pro-war (and consequently anti-Moore) posters are always the least educated and most hostile of the bunch? I personally agree with Moore, but even if I didn’t I’d respect the man for standing up in front of billions of television viewers to take a stand on an issue he feels passionately about. I’ve been to anti-war protests, and oddly enough, many pro-war jerkoffs that yell at us and throw things (usually eggs) from their cars COVER THEIR FACES. We stand for peace. We stand for freedom of speech. And we are unashamed. God bless Michael Moore!
Posted by Flaz on Mar 29, 2003 at 12:54 PM Dear Tina!
You trust that those you put in power know more about the world situation than Mr. Moore or the Dixie Chicks?
Sorry, but that seems to be the same thouhts my grandfathers must have had, when they went to Russia with their fellows of the German Troops in the early 40`s of the last century - if you know what I mean…
Posted by Arndt on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:00 PM I’m agree with Michael Moore.
1- The freedom can not give by making war to captives.
2- The filtered uranium caues cancer.
3- Everybody must see and tell the wrongs.
4- The guns must set on fire all over the world.etc. etc. .....
Posted by meral ugur on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:08 PM Tina what I was saying was that surely if you’re enroled into the army, you’d be prepared to go and fight in a war, it’s your choice to join up. (I’m sure conscription hasn’t been enforced yet.)
As for the people in power knowing more than Mr. Moore and the dixie chicks, I have absolutely no doubt at all that they have more information, but it’s what they release and how they act on that information thats the problem. MM and the DC are the ones questioning the governments motives that so far appear to be about greed rather than ‘peace’.
Are you also against a protest outside a shopping centre because you were expecting to buy a Cd and not have someone show you their view, I applaud Mr Moore for making a brave stand on the largest platform he had at his disposal.
Posted by Jethro Perkins on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:11 PM I say well done to Mike Moore for treating your fascist Government with the contempt it deserves. US Democracy? An oxymoron if ever there was one. Rumsfeld and his mates - who ‘elected’ them? Your coke snorting, drink driving, draft dodging, corrupt, scheming right wing Christian fascist dumbass puppet Prez is NOT the one pushing the buttons. Maybe if you weren’t such an ignotant (not stupid, I give you that), wastefull and greedy society you wouldn’t have to rampage round the world stealing other peoples resources. Moore just exposes the truth and I hope he keeps at it. He’s clearly as angry and as embarrased with the White House pirates as I am with the clowns flushing my country down the toilet.
Posted by Blair Hater on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:41 PM Personally I am not ìanti war. I supported the Gulf War of the Bush daddy. I am not ìantiî our troops, I stand in proud support of our brave troops though I fear for their futures as, in the years ahead they struggle w/ the task of trying to figure out just where they fit into this thing, just as Vietnam Vets struggle yet today.
Those fighting this war are likely not overly concerned with what I think today because they are too busy trying to keep themselves alive. The morale issue does not come as a result of learning that the Dixie Chicks do not support the cowardly Chickenhawks that are running this war, it would come only from looking around them and realizing that they are being manipulated (not led) by a pack of yellow dogs in high political power who, lacking the courage to fight in the wars of their generations, have a need to sacrifice our youth to somehow ìproveî to the world that our new monarch has a bigger (or less small) dick that Saddaam and bin Laden.
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Posted by john on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:41 PM The ignorance of you shallow minded sheep who blindly obey this regime in marching yourselves off the edge of the cliff like a herd of lemmings astounds me. If you choose to do so then march away. But at least march from an informed position instead of marching zombie-like because you are hypnotized by these traitors and the news agencies they own who force feed you data strained through spin doctors and advisors who have studied your weak little minds in order to know precisely how to rearrange words and what color ties should be worn and what images to portray in order to prompt your march.
Whether you believe in this war or not it should deeply concern you that almost to a man these war touters avoided service when it was time for them to do their part. The Shrub is no less than a deserter, during a time of war, no less, a capital offense. Of the three top members of the Axis of Weasels, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeldt all three avoided having to contribute in any personal way to the military. The saddest cut of all is when a member of our congress, Daschle, a veteran himself, spoke perfectly respectful concerns about the avenue of this venture another member, Tom DeLay, another coward who was looking the other way when duty called, stood up and told him in the most disrespectful way his tiny mind could conjure to ìshut upî! What does that say about our country when an official sworn to uphold the United States Constitution tells another person to ìshut upî simply because he did not like Mr Daschleís message. Of course even cowards can talk big when they think they have the big guy behind them.
Meanwhile, look up the biographies of those two idiots who, as our children were being sent to kill and die, showed their monumental patriotism by changing the name from ìfrench friesî to ìfreedom friesî. ìFreedomî fries? Whose freedom? Obviously not mine, or yours either.
The buffoon, Fred Thompson, who launched that big TV ad proclaiming that our troops through the ages, not the dissenters, had gained our ìfreedomî? Yup! Him too. Too busy in law school to serve his time. (although he did ìplay one on TVî).
In fact almost all of these chickenhawks were elsewhere.
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Posted by john on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:43 PM Worried about Saddaam and bin Laden? Iíd suggest you worry more about the mentality of our citizenry that would allow our highest office, the presidency, to be filled by cowards for this and the last two administrations. A group of electors who would place in our top two offices Big Oil tycoons at the same time. Of our last six people filling the seats of President and vice president four fled from having to fulfill the very responsibilities they are demanding of our youth today. Only Al Gore and Daddy Bush saw fit to serve. In fact, go back yet another regime and youíll recall we had a president who did not serve but who tended to confuse his movies with his real life and claimed he had! We donít need no steenking Saddaam or bin Laden to destroy us, weíre doing that quite well without them. (besides, donít forget that Daddy Bush and other cohorts helped create many of the worldís ìmonstersî)
And while you concern yourself with letting these poor soldiers fighting today know you support them, so, in the words of ìCatherineî they donít have to face what Vietnam Vets had to face in í67 where are you for those heroes now? And where are these chickenhawks today while Veterans are placed on a waiting list of up to a year before they can be treated? Do you think ìShrubî or Cheney or Rumsfeldt or DeLay or the ìfreedom friesî bozos are going to wait in a Drís office for even five minutes?
ìDonít turn this into another Vietnamî, Catherine? WE CANíT turn it into another Vietnam, itís already happened. The blood of our youth is not on the hands of those guys who are trying to protect their homes from being leveled by the infidel conquerors, their blood is on the hands of these cowardly monsters who we have allowed to hijack our country.
When another country decides to invade America where will you be? Iíll tell you where they will be. They will be hiding like the yellow bellied cowardly bastards they are in some plush bunker. Notice what ìShrubî did the day after he sent our kids to kill and die. He jumped in his helicopter and headed off to Camp David for the weekend.
It is a dark day indeed when you tell us to shut up and ìgo with the flowî.John
Posted by john on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:43 PM Supporters of the war don’t really believe that dissent is intolerable in wartime. You can be sure conservatives will object loudly if they think the administration is waging the war with insufficient force or resolve. But if that sort of criticism isn’t dangerous to the war effort, why is criticism from the other side?
Playing the patriotism card or the veterans card is a shameless attempt to discredit and intimidate dissenters, which is easier than proving them wrong. The real divide is between those who see open debate in a democracy as a weakness and those who see it as a strength. The antiwar demonstrators may be wrong about some things, but they’re right about that.
Supporters of the war don’t really believe that dissent is intolerable in wartime. You can be sure conservatives will object loudly if they think the administration is waging the war with insufficient force or resolve. But if that sort of criticism isn’t dangerous to the war effort, why is criticism from the other side?Playing the patriotism card or the veterans card is a shameless attempt to discredit and intimidate dissenters, which is easier than proving them wrong. The real divide is between those who see open debate in a democracy as a weakness and those who see it as a strength. The antiwar demonstrators may be wrong about some things, but they’re right about that.
Posted by wjkolar on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:54 PM If anyone would like a preformatted letter sized flyer to distribute regarding Michael Mooreís comments at the Oscars, please email me and I will gladly help spread the word that ìwe live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious presidentî.
Here is some information on depleted uranium being used in ammunition.
http://www.disasternews.net/news/news.php?articleid=1687
I also have a preformatted letter sized flyer with depleted uranium information. Theyíre great for distributing in front of newspaper offices, television and radio stations.
Hereís a link to some economic reasons for the Iraqi invasion:
http://richmond.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2567&group=webcast
(you may have to cut and paste the website address)
For the French reader who doesnít know who the Dixie chicks are: They are a group of country western female singers. Iím generally not a country western fan, but theyíre really good.
For the SC mom whose son is in Iraq: Bush does not care about any motherís child who is facing debilitating illness and/or death from the use of weapons spewing radioactive waste. In truth, the U.S. military is guilty of genocide for using them.
Posted by linda z on Mar 29, 2003 at 1:56 PM This statement is directed to the vet, Benson who’s busy puking right now. It’s a translation, actually: “I am a vet and the fact that I fought for free speech for these assholes to say things I DON’T LIKE TO HEAR makes me a tad bit queasy.” You ignorant slut!!
Posted by Alan on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:02 PM It is wonderfull how you Americans can be stupid. In fact you are murders and it explains why we, the rest of world, love to kill Americans. More and more.
Posted by Brazilian on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:18 PM Thank you Alan.
My sentiments totally. It would be my guess that Benson was some REMF, if he served at all which would be preferable to his having served his time having never known what the hell he was serving for.
Benson, go play with your plastic Mattel guns.
Posted by john on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:21 PM Thank god for this story. Thank god for accurate reporting of all sides (including a link to a pro-war site). And I only wish the national media (the big networks) would wake up and make even a half hearted attempt at reporting ALL SIDES. An attempt is better than what we are getting now. Have we all forgottten what blacklisting did? Or what Asian-American war camps did? Mob mentality is so easy to jump in and become a part of… it is always much harder to open up, take some time and investigate the other side of the story. And there always are two sides.
Posted by ali vincent on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:32 PM Those of you who would silence Michael Moore should go live in Iraq where dissent is met with violence. If you don’t love democracy, you have the right to leave our great country.
GIVE ME MORE, MORE, MORE MICHAEL MOORE!!!
America’s wallet is open, which is why his book has been on the bestseller list for months, and why his film has recieved highest honors.
Follow his example. Stand up for what you believe and rebuke brainwashed evil-doers.
Posted by Barry Adkins on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:35 PM Okay, this is the reason a bunch of sweaty rednecks in Louisiana did their perfect imitation of Adolf Hitler by demolishing a large amount of the Dixie Chicks’ CDs with a giant fucking bulldozer: (copied and pasted from their site)
From the Dixie Chicks
“We’ve been overseas for several weeks and have been reading and following the news accounts of our governments’ position. The anti-American sentiment that has unfolded here is astounding. While we support our troops, there is nothing more frightening than the notion of going to war with Iraq and the prospect of all the innocent lives that will be lost.”
Maines further stated, “I feel the President is ignoring the opinions of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world. My comments were made in frustration and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view.”
Posted by Alan on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:35 PM By the way, please visit michaelmoore.com.
Read Moore, Chomsky, Zinn!!
Posted by Barry Adkins on Mar 29, 2003 at 2:43 PM People who made comments like ” Michael Moore should be taken outside and shot”, are frankly living in the wrong time. Had you been born in Nazi Germany, you would have sounded less like assholes. A few days ago. I saw a car on the road with a sign that says “Support our troops, or move to Iraq”. Get a clue people. Questioning the war doesn’t make you unamerican. Being intolerant of other people’s opinions IS. People who questions the war supports the troops. We support the troops by not wanting to send them to get shot in the first place, fucking retards
Posted by Steve on Mar 29, 2003 at 3:29 PM No Jethro it doesn’t bother me when people protest as long as they don’t barge into my home to do so. I am not debating Mr. Moore’s right to voice his opinion but rather the forum in which he chooses to do it.
There is always the possibility of war & I didn’t say my nephew wasn’t prepared. What I said was for those whose income or circumstances limit their choices for the future, the armed forces is a wonderful way to save a little money, travel & most importantly get that education that you may otherwise do without.
Posted by Tina on Mar 29, 2003 at 3:35 PM Good for michael moore shame on the rest of you,you’re country’s democracy is being raped from under you’re noses and you can’t see it shame on you
Posted by Philip dickson on Mar 29, 2003 at 3:38 PM I am not surprised at the state of affairs not only in this country but all over the world after reading alot of these posts. Want to know where hate comes from… All over the world & this forum is the proof. Instead of people posting & debating their opinions in an adult fashion alot of the posts have resorted to name calling & the “putting down” of others for their opinions. Ah Yes, hate is alive & well & it is a sad, sad thing.
Posted by Red on Mar 29, 2003 at 3:48 PM Keep up the good work. As I read these comments, I can’t help but wonder why so many of them are anonymous. Michael Moore never hides, never uses cowardly psuedonyms, never pretends to be someone else. I have always loved that about him - he is honest not only about his views, but about where to find him if you wish to challenge him. As for some of you posting here, where can I reach you? What’s your e-mail address? It’s easy to sit in the comfort of your desk chair and post puffed-up messages of whatever your brand of “patriotism,” is, but WHO ARE YOU?
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