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I suspect that there are few people in the wider world (non USA/Israeli) who think the Israeli behavior justified, especially so with people who were paying attention to the sequence of events.
I assume like many commentators that the motivation is to destroy Hamas and Hezbollah as a minimum goal and perhaps to destroy Syria and Iran as additional goals. As of now Israelimerikkka seems to want to attack Syria and Iran but all in good time. However, I think that before the end of the year a major world wide war will begin.
Only yesterday there were reports that angry muslim youth from Iran and Indonesia are making there way to Lebanon to fight the Israelis/Americans. However, I doubt they will be welcomed by Hezbollah at this point in time. Hizbullah seems very well disciplined and organized.
Posted by Spinoza750 on Jul 31, 2006 at 9:26 PM
I wrote the following comment some days ago:
One doesn
Posted by Spinoza750 on Jul 31, 2006 at 9:38 PM
To be? Or not to be?
Posted by whattheheck on Aug 1, 2006 at 8:19 AM
To be? Or not to be?
Posted by whattheheck on Aug 1, 2006 at 8:27 AM
>>>It depends on whether we believe Israel has a legitimate right to exist.
Did the “UN” (and England) have the right to give away someone else’s land?
And even if they didn’t what should be done now that the land was given away?
What does “exist” mean?
Does exist mean the Nation state of Israel
or the people of Israel living in a secular multinational state for example.?
>>>Israel (?) realizes that for them to lose the
Posted by Spinoza750 on Aug 1, 2006 at 11:29 AM
Or we will all be defeated when we blow ourselves up
Posted by Spinoza750 on Aug 1, 2006 at 11:37 AM
Spin-Oz-a
A highly intellectual and inspiring response.
Up yours.
Posted by whattheheck on Aug 1, 2006 at 12:55 PM
If i were born on one side of the wall - i might have one point of view.
If i were born on the other side of the wall - i might have quite another point of view.
One thing is for sure - events are forcing all of us to take sides in the ultimate of horrors that mankind can manifest upon itself. “You’re either with us or against us.” We are all on the slippery slide into the worst and/or best of human nature and the ultimate of challenges to our very understanding of who and what we are.
I do know that in pointing out another’s faults, i may fail to see my own. So, whichever side of this folly you find yourself on, i wish you peace and goodwill.
Posted by hourglass on Aug 2, 2006 at 8:51 PM
Hourglass,
Thanks.
Of course, you are right.
I find that on this site there is a tendency to deteriorate in to name calling, etc. more often than most others.
Probably at least some of it due to whether you know individuals who are involved in the fighting over there. Or if you know someone closely involved in 9/11 at either WTC or the Pentagon. It may be a split between those who mark this as a long time problem crossing generations and involving misjudgements which have come back to haunt the West and those who see each confrontation as independent events.
The partitioning of the Middle East in 1922, the establishing of a state of Israel in 1948 are situations which we now must deal with regardless of the wisdom or lack of.
Posted by whattheheck on Aug 3, 2006 at 7:02 AM
whattheheck,
Why is it that support of Israel’s right to exist implies support of all of their actions? I support Israel, and I even believe in their right to act militarily in support of their security, but creating a humanitarian crisis in Lebanon doesn’t help their security. Support for Hezbollah has only increased.
I am so sick of anyone who opposes Israeli aggression being accused of being an anti-Semite, or in the very least of not supporting Israel’s right to exist.
Posted by josesanders on Aug 3, 2006 at 1:21 PM
Josesanders,
For the sake of argument, let
Posted by whattheheck on Aug 4, 2006 at 11:43 AM
For some time now i have been visiting this site daily and am disgusted, but not surprised, that there is virtually NOTHING about Israel’s destruction of Lebanon. This is inexcusable. This will be my last read. Fuck you.
Posted by opeluboy on Aug 4, 2006 at 2:40 PM
OPEL
should you return, a debate between the shills/warmongers and others , notably rabbit, on the 911Faith thread.
Strange indeedy that there is no article here…...........
Posted by frog on Aug 7, 2006 at 5:45 AM
War crimes case being prepared in Scotland.
They recently reversed an amnesty law in Argentina to put one criminal away .
So BushCo should not feel safe, whatever laws they pass, unless of course they have no intention of EVER relinquishing power ...
Time for another National Emergency, anyone , ?
Posted by frog on Aug 7, 2006 at 6:36 AM
This aggression started nearly the same way that World War I started. WWI started with the assassination of one person (Keiser Wilhelm), but I believe that war has a different purpose, as does this aggression now.
We are looking at ideology as our motivation for action, when ideology is merely a mechanism that triggers the masses to move in one direction or another.
If we look below the fog of beliefs we can see the motives of those who control the means and resources for producing the weapons and machines needed for war.
Their warehouses are almost full and their armies are swelling beyond their control so a culling of troops is needed and the military industrial complex needs to start making money again.
Posted by spfldnet on Aug 8, 2006 at 4:59 AM
In a modern-day Thermopylae, Hezbollah’s 3,000 fighters have astoundingly held off Israel’s mighty military machine, the world’s fourth strongest, for nearly four weeks.
In the meantime, Israeli war crimes against Lebanese civilians and its infrastructure (Christian and Muslim) have united them as never before. The latest polling shows 87% of Lebanese population now backs Hezbollah. The war has backfired for Israel. US inaction/complicity in these war crimes will not soon be forgotten.
In the longer term, the message will not be lost on anyone: that having a pro-American Arab government counts for nothing, and that Arab civilians count for less than nothing when weighed against Israeli interests.
The next “doe-eyed” blond on Faux News that asks why they hate us should be slapped.
Posted by Imran on Aug 8, 2006 at 12:33 PM
“For some time now i have been visiting this site daily and am disgusted, but not surprised, that there is virtually NOTHING about Israel
Posted by realitybased on Aug 8, 2006 at 4:33 PM
spfldnet,
WWl began with the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Serbia.
A network of mutual defense pacts sucked nearly all of Europe into the mess. The US held off until 1918 when President Wilson finally entered us in
Posted by whattheheck on Aug 9, 2006 at 9:12 AM
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I suspect that there are few people in the wider world (non USA/Israeli) who think the Israeli behavior justified, especially so with people who were paying attention to the sequence of events.
I assume like many commentators that the motivation is to destroy Hamas and Hezbollah as a minimum goal and perhaps to destroy Syria and Iran as additional goals. As of now Israelimerikkka seems to want to attack Syria and Iran but all in good time. However, I think that before the end of the year a major world wide war will begin.
Only yesterday there were reports that angry muslim youth from Iran and Indonesia are making there way to Lebanon to fight the Israelis/Americans. However, I doubt they will be welcomed by Hezbollah at this point in time. Hizbullah seems very well disciplined and organized.
I wrote the following comment some days ago:
One doesn
To be? Or not to be?
To be? Or not to be?
>>>It depends on whether we believe Israel has a legitimate right to exist.
Did the “UN” (and England) have the right to give away someone else’s land?
And even if they didn’t what should be done now that the land was given away?
What does “exist” mean?
Does exist mean the Nation state of Israel
or the people of Israel living in a secular multinational state for example.?
>>>Israel (?) realizes that for them to lose the
Or we will all be defeated when we blow ourselves up
Spin-Oz-a
A highly intellectual and inspiring response.
Up yours.
If i were born on one side of the wall - i might have one point of view.
If i were born on the other side of the wall - i might have quite another point of view.
One thing is for sure - events are forcing all of us to take sides in the ultimate of horrors that mankind can manifest upon itself. “You’re either with us or against us.” We are all on the slippery slide into the worst and/or best of human nature and the ultimate of challenges to our very understanding of who and what we are.
I do know that in pointing out another’s faults, i may fail to see my own. So, whichever side of this folly you find yourself on, i wish you peace and goodwill.
Hourglass,
Thanks.
Of course, you are right.
I find that on this site there is a tendency to deteriorate in to name calling, etc. more often than most others.
Probably at least some of it due to whether you know individuals who are involved in the fighting over there. Or if you know someone closely involved in 9/11 at either WTC or the Pentagon. It may be a split between those who mark this as a long time problem crossing generations and involving misjudgements which have come back to haunt the West and those who see each confrontation as independent events.
The partitioning of the Middle East in 1922, the establishing of a state of Israel in 1948 are situations which we now must deal with regardless of the wisdom or lack of.
whattheheck,
Why is it that support of Israel’s right to exist implies support of all of their actions? I support Israel, and I even believe in their right to act militarily in support of their security, but creating a humanitarian crisis in Lebanon doesn’t help their security. Support for Hezbollah has only increased.
I am so sick of anyone who opposes Israeli aggression being accused of being an anti-Semite, or in the very least of not supporting Israel’s right to exist.
Josesanders,
For the sake of argument, let
For some time now i have been visiting this site daily and am disgusted, but not surprised, that there is virtually NOTHING about Israel’s destruction of Lebanon. This is inexcusable. This will be my last read. Fuck you.
OPEL
should you return, a debate between the shills/warmongers and others , notably rabbit, on the 911Faith thread.
Strange indeedy that there is no article here…...........
War crimes case being prepared in Scotland.
They recently reversed an amnesty law in Argentina to put one criminal away .
So BushCo should not feel safe, whatever laws they pass, unless of course they have no intention of EVER relinquishing power ...
Time for another National Emergency, anyone , ?
This aggression started nearly the same way that World War I started. WWI started with the assassination of one person (Keiser Wilhelm), but I believe that war has a different purpose, as does this aggression now.
We are looking at ideology as our motivation for action, when ideology is merely a mechanism that triggers the masses to move in one direction or another.
If we look below the fog of beliefs we can see the motives of those who control the means and resources for producing the weapons and machines needed for war.
Their warehouses are almost full and their armies are swelling beyond their control so a culling of troops is needed and the military industrial complex needs to start making money again.
In a modern-day Thermopylae, Hezbollah’s 3,000 fighters have astoundingly held off Israel’s mighty military machine, the world’s fourth strongest, for nearly four weeks.
In the meantime, Israeli war crimes against Lebanese civilians and its infrastructure (Christian and Muslim) have united them as never before. The latest polling shows 87% of Lebanese population now backs Hezbollah. The war has backfired for Israel. US inaction/complicity in these war crimes will not soon be forgotten.
In the longer term, the message will not be lost on anyone: that having a pro-American Arab government counts for nothing, and that Arab civilians count for less than nothing when weighed against Israeli interests.
The next “doe-eyed” blond on Faux News that asks why they hate us should be slapped.
“For some time now i have been visiting this site daily and am disgusted, but not surprised, that there is virtually NOTHING about Israel
spfldnet,
WWl began with the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Serbia.
A network of mutual defense pacts sucked nearly all of Europe into the mess. The US held off until 1918 when President Wilson finally entered us in
This is a very important article and should be widely spread over the net, Especially the USA
http://www.counterpunch.org/bricmont08122006.html
Spinoza
Excellent article.
Also norman finkelstein on dershowitz—- worth spreading ....