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Do as I say, NOT as I do .
This article is correct , as far as it goes, but there is more to be said.
Terry does not address the dark history of government scientists (who were not “creationists—- just unscrupulous mad bastards) who experimented on soldiers, prisoners, kids in orphanages, and other civilians over much of the last century.
A few months ago the britgov paid out £100, 000 compensation to the family of a serviceman killed by a sarin experiment at Porton Down UK, FIFTY years ago. Frog remembers the ‘invitations’ to participate , in the late 1960’s Brit Army.
There are thousands of other cases if we include radiation exposure. Gulf War Syndrome, Agent Orange, extend to millions .
Aerial spraying of civilian areas has already been carried out in US and UK to determine the airborne spread of aerosol bugs / radioactive particles.
Mad scientists are bad enough, as they will get more research funds if they can demonstrate a threat, and what better way to do it than manufacture one ?
A new dimension is added with privatisation of research, where the manufacture of vaccines represents gigantic profits. $ BILLIONS .
The increasing crossover already between BigPharma and gov t Agencies has proved counterproductive, as those in FDA, EPA etc, have often been “owned” by those whose products they were called upon to judge.
Bio-War Research, and “vaccine-production” is like any other Arms Race.
Posted by frog on Sep 5, 2006 at 5:40 AM
A sidelight on this is the H5N1 Bird Flu scam.
Local vets were ordered to encourage backyard poultry keepers here to keep birds inside, or at least feed them there, install new fencing, lots of BlaBla !
Big health scare , and Bad science. All was blamed on “wild bird migration”.
New strains of disease arise with intensive production, spread by international trading of chicks, etc.
Globalisation again. Some profit, like Rummy and tamiflu (google that !), the rest of us get scared by the media, and PAY .
Posted by frog on Sep 5, 2006 at 5:51 AM
As always, in her expectation of a perfect world, Terry Allen begins by pointing out any and all US faults. Also as usual even accidents and misjudgments are lumped in as vicious plots against alll but the priveliged few. (I guess they must all have been vacinated and will be at zero risk.)
I suggest Terry go to Iran and demand to inspect any and all research labs and military sites. (I suppose she would have protested the A-bomb development if able. What did your Daddy do in the War, Terry?)
Let
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 5, 2006 at 8:45 AM
WTH
Please notice my example IS from the UK Ministry of Defence.
Your attack on Terry is ad hominem, including a generation back !
My own Daddy served 1939-46, started at 18 and finished up as Radar Chief of HM Pacific Fleet at age 24. He served in every theatre from a Russian Convoy (under Luftwaffe bombing) to hunting the Bismarck , to Atlantic Convoys (under submarine attacks), but none of that will make anything I say here more accurate.
Terry’s daddy is not her , either .
To have a bit of balance here, may we assume that Terry lives in the USA, and looks in her own backyard first before all else ?
As a general principle, what happens first in the US arrives elsewhere a little later. One example. The riots in Watts were later followed in the UK. Another is the catastrophic increase in obesity in the US , which we are now seeing , first of course in the UK, and now in the rest of Europe.
As often , you shoot your fingers off onto keyboard before engaging brain, and really researching what this is all about, thinking HARD about where this type of so-called Research will lead, has already led, and COULD lead .
I can understand any government wisely and quietly researching and assessing the possibilities of BioWar.
I would do the same, very discreetly. So would you , I know.
The Soviets did it, we know. There are also indications that the Apartheid Gov in South Africa did so, along the same lines as their Nuke programme.
When does ‘defence’ become potentiallly ‘attack’ ?
Ike told us that the BOMBS were completely ‘unnecessary’ against Japan.
More than my friend rabbit, I appreciate your resistance to propaganda, for you are often right, BUT on some subjects you swallow it whole.
Carried away by the ‘Iranian Menace’, do you honestly think they are plotting BioWar against Rockford USA ?
Nah !
Posted by frog on Sep 5, 2006 at 1:00 PM
Hi Frog,
I only threw in the part about her Daddy because so many WW2 guys I know credit the dropping of the bomb for their lives. One WW2 Marine friend has a daughter who goes to an annual candle light A-bomb protest
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 6, 2006 at 6:32 AM
WTH
Always enjoy talking to you.
There is a natural gut-instinct reaction towards defending one’s own country when one feels it is being unjustly ‘attacked’.
Been there myself . There is a centuries’ old hostility Brit / frog, and the sort of people who go in for Xenophobia and stereotyping play it . Being older and wiser I now know most of their attacks and “Play” with them.
Those poor hostile fools are easy .
The interesting opposite ones are those sold on ‘modernity’, globalisin’, and privatisin’ public utilities, who believe life is all sunshine in US and Blair’s Britain . You and I know that is not so .
Old Marines who still believe their lives were saved by the Bombs will believe what they will. A blockade would have done the job, I suspect ! Nuff said.
As your doc said, there ain’t no real defence against BioWar/ birdflu, which contradicts your point about having “agents ready ” ? , .
Which is one good reason for the World getting together to do some small , or LARGE things to making it unlikely.
Biological attack on the USA ?
Creating terror and mass destruction in the USA, but for what purpose ?
Terrorism is a TACTIC, like night attacks or flanking movements. It is rarely nihilistic, for its own sake—- normally there is a political and / or military objective.
We were brought up under the nuclear threat, and survived.
I am far more interested in designing housing which does NOT need large inputs of energy to be warm in winter and cool in summer.
The ideal is as close to zero as possible !
Then no need to go warring around the world for fear of losing oil supplies etc.
Posted by frog on Sep 6, 2006 at 4:32 PM
We face an increasingly ‘neocon’ solution from the Harper Conservative cabal running Canada and ‘Steve’s (Bush’s new puppet) commitment to playing a bigger role on the world stage. Someone forgot to tell him that he’s no better an actor than the Straussian clone running the US.
Another friend posted a brilliant look at the combination of the two of them and should be a ‘must see’ for all concerned about both our leaders actions. I did my part to ensure the information is available to surf in blogsphere btw, Have you met Mr. Busharper?
Wake up ‘sheeple’! Time to baaa your own tune.
Peace please!
neilemac
Posted by neilemac on Sep 8, 2006 at 5:06 AM
The USA Senate has recently discovered there was no link between Saddam and AlQaeda. It certainly took them a long time to reach that brainy conclusion. Are they ready to undo all the harm their troops inflicted in Irak, mostly to civilians? There is no way that can possibly be done, but at least it could be used to stop creating fear of other countries, such as Iran, Lebanon, Cuba, Venezuela, and so many others who have a right to live their lives as they think fit.
I agree with frog, that creating fear is a good business. Most of us live in fear of the weapons and chemicals the USA produce. I don’t feel in any way less threatened by their potential because they are in USA’s hands.
Quite on the contrary, because no other country in the world feels it has the right to impose fear on others as they do.
I am not only sick of this all, I am dead scared to see the amount of power accumulated by the Empire for one main purpose: greed and blindness, plus the prevail of a shrinking, reptilian brain in charge at most levels.
Posted by Maria on Sep 8, 2006 at 10:42 AM
Maria
Surely sick of it, but not yet scared ....?
maybe i"m an incorrigible optimist, but not scared YET !
OF COURSE I recognise the ‘race-war’ possibility that Bushniks or similar Powermaniacs might decide to wipe our three-quarters of humanity to get “Lebensraum” .
In the shorter term, those Mothas are eating away at the very basis of life—- monopolising the possibilities for agri- seeds.
A century ago there were thousands of different strains of wheat / apple trees, now there are twenty predominant ones, and the others start to DISAPPEAR .
ten days ago, here in france, the goddam secret police invaded the house of a guy publishing the age-old recipes for using “nettles” in a decoction, for insect-repellent and fertiliser .
Well, the caterpillars disappeared from my cabbages, using it !
ONE SMALL EXAMPLE of what is already happening.
The small minority who are researching BioWar are the brothers of that small minority who are trying to monopolise and patent the natural resources that belong to all of us.
FASCISTS .
Posted by frog on Sep 10, 2006 at 4:51 PM
frog, I am not personally scared, I fear for the future of young people, children and those who are to come. I feel they are denied the right to live in harmony with nature, of which we are only a part. Every day I use part of my day to walk about, talk to people trying to open their eyes, picking tree seeds and planting them in any space I find, talking to and embracing ancient trees (the few that are left) but you wouldn’t believe it, being this a supposedly nature-loving country how indifferent people are becoming, blinded by the model which the media is trying to impose on them. Not too many years ago Latin America had more than 40 varieties of potatoes and corn. They have all disappeared, farmers now buy their chemically treated seeds which have no reproductivity, so they have to buy them every time they want to plant and then they fumigate the plants with products which poison the earth, kill birds and butterflies and produce tasteless vegetables all of one kind.
I don’t know if you had the chance of seeing “MondoVino”, a documentary film about wine production in France, Italy and Argentina, the way it has been manipulated and jeopardized so that wine from California could outstand. If you saw it, the last part of this film is in Argentina, the owners of those vineyards being relatives of mine, so I know it is absolutely true.
All this makes Jos
Posted by Maria on Sep 10, 2006 at 5:39 PM
Frog,
You say you are
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 13, 2006 at 6:15 AM
Hi HECK,
I wouldn’t say I was in the Blame Game. Most criticism of US applies elsewhere too. The Military-Industrial complex is truly multinational.
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All sorts of groups are engaged in uncivilised and even barbarous acts, and most of them are Criminals, and many wear suits and have VERY expensive lawyers.
The Reichstag Fire and Hitler’s subsequent Enabling Acts are part of world history, which we can all look at and maybe learn from.
Surprising numbers of terror groups have been penetrated by secret service agencies, and ‘used’ by them. A nasty world.
Acts of terrorism could be, have been, a VERY good way of distracting the mass of the peoples’ attention from problems that are actually far more serious.
Like a street incident you stop to watch, while someone picks your pocket .
Your list is horrible I agree, but no more so than a bad day in Blair and Bush’s Iraq.
If you think back to our earlier discussions on globalisation, and the disappearance of so many good skilled jobs, the absolute decline in the quality of life for very many over the last 25 years, THAT is where I prefer to focus.
As Maria said, the worldwide agri-chemical industry is killing poor farmers, purely for profit, by stealing their land, forcing gmo seeds on them—- the list is long. Killing our own farmers, too, but more slowly.
They have accomplices in government, usually bought in some way or other. Look at my example 9/10 5.51, the police forced their way into a man’s house in france….
OUR societies are going down the pan at the moment, but it is not a few mad or bad terrorists doing it.
OUR politicians are either clueless or corrupt, and the easiest way to keep us subdued is by FEAR.
Maria—- I saw the film, not a great surprise, eh ?
Posted by frog on Sep 13, 2006 at 2:49 PM
Frog,
We certainly agree on the effects of globalization and the down hill slide of our societies. I believe our basic disagreement on terrorist attacks is one of the primary common denominator.
I just sent a comment to the new discussion question concerning the Federal Minimum Wage opinion for the U.S. My disgust at the massive cooperative effect of government, big business and the idiotic media continues to grow. Senator Dorgan has been tenacious, but nearly alone in his attempts to address the issue
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 14, 2006 at 6:44 AM
HECK,
Behind the tough old rather militaristic guy is a ‘Greeny’ trying to get out !
Carter was the wrong man saying the right things in the Seventies. IF the US had declared a War on EnergyWasting then, the common mindset in the US would be very different today ?
Just imagine the cocktail set in San Fran—- ” Waal, my house doesn’t NEED AC, because we are using techniques discovered in the Middle East a thousand years ago”.
POWERFUL FORCES conspired to make it otherwise, keep the users hooked on their drugs.
Same here in europe.
ON TERRORISM .................. .
I think it was Robert Pape, an american academic, who did a study on suicude bombers. Most , from memory, were inspired by political / nationalistic aims rather than Islamist fundy nihilistic Ideology.
Young fools who suicide themselves are NOT the major problem in the world today. They make the headlines, (by killing a few people,) .... but so do footballers’ salaries.
I am currently following debates at Blairwatch . We are now seeing a concerted media propaganda campaign to tell us all that Ahmedinejihad of Iran made a speech calling for “wiping Israel off the map ” .
I hear that day and night on the brit and french mainstream media.
The whole thing is bogus, like the “WMD” of Iraq.
Virginia Tilley on those translations
That propaganda campaign looks very much as though they are “softening us up” for their Next Step.
Another ““October Surprise “” ?
Posted by frog on Sep 14, 2006 at 1:32 PM
Whattheheck, Did I get you right? You don’t seem to be shocked by the idea of the CIA practicing torture, but by your president saying it in a loud voice. I have always wondered about the American sentence_ “You have to do what you have to do”. That is so ample anything can be covered by that umbrella. Who is to decide “what you have to do”.? It sounds like somebody has the only possible answer to everything and the rest of us, mortal beings are supposed to abide by that and don’t use our own inner voice and assume our personal responsibility.
Alternative ways of generating power haven’t been developed or used because there is still some oil left and the corporations don’t want to miss the profits involved. The same with wars, weapon manufacturers are behind conflicts because it’s good business . The same with fear, if you scare people about diseases, terrorists, thiefs, and a wide variety of “perils” you can sell them your junk. All that is easier and more profitable to do than try to understand the root of those problems and try to create the conditions of a more compassionate and just world.
Posted by Maria on Sep 14, 2006 at 2:32 PM
Maria asked,
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 15, 2006 at 6:04 AM
Frog,
I don
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 15, 2006 at 6:49 AM
Heck, I prefer your Greenery to the other stuff .
(Carter was not completely an innocent, I believe he was the one started funding the Afghan mujahadin in 1979, and we’ve seen where that led. )
New regulations in Old Europe are steadily increasing insulation, stipulating much larger areas of double-glazed windows, and an architect friend tells me they seem to be aiming at “bio-climatic” houses for 2050, with most of the measures in place in a very few years from now.
. I’m plotting to upgrade my house, increase the vegetable production, and going to see an ‘electric bike’ tomorrow.
Some investment now for far greater energy independence , and the need for less $, therefore less work to do ! So I can have more time for trouble-making against the Globalisas and their omnipresent quislings amongst us.
Posted by frog on Sep 15, 2006 at 1:37 PM
Maria
As you see I’m starting with my own garden , which is my way of escaping the foodtrade monopolies, and more people here are buying direct from local small farms. Small initiatives, for sure, but worth investing time in. Supporting political campaigns too.
Searching out the rare politicians with honesty, independence and commonsense is vital—byron dorgan for one .(thread at ITT)—and telling the others what we expect from them, or else…
Jos
Posted by frog on Sep 15, 2006 at 2:03 PM
This is what real scientists should be doing, not playing Dr Strangelove .
Posted by frog on Sep 15, 2006 at 2:20 PM
Frog,
I heard on the news his morning the Food & Drug Administration has OKed the addition of certain viruses to various food products to help prevent some kind of obscure disease.
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 16, 2006 at 6:03 AM
Frog,
I read Virginia
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09 AM
Frog,
I don
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 18, 2006 at 6:10 AM
Guys from Saudi Arabia, SUPPOSEDLY , did 911, and in a tantrum gwb invaded IRAQ and killed a hundred thousand or so .
Them Christians sure have planks in their eyes.
If I remember right Tilley refers to translations by ithers. First I saw was in a german paper.
Why not forget the ad hominem stuff for a while , and go and look for various translations ?
Posted by frog on Sep 18, 2006 at 1:28 PM
Why does all your criticism begin and end with Bush?
Why do you accept Tilley or anyone else unquestioningly and then build your theories on them?
What difference if all 9/11 guys were all from Saudi Arabia? Think of how many other attacks by Muslims where from assorted countries. This is not a nation against nation fight.
Most of all
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 18, 2006 at 2:16 PM
HECK,
“Gwb” is shorthand for this administration.
This administration is a continuation, and extension to new depths, of previous US policy.
I mentioned Tilley, because the name easier to remember, seen a number of others on the subject of translation .
Constant repetition of a few simple messages is the essence of selling, and PROPAGANDA, I am sure you will agree WTH ?
Considering how much obfuscation and goddam lying can be got away with, USING a COMMON LANGUAGE, WOWEE for anything in translation ! (we agree, maybe ,)
Holding suicide bombers responsible for their actions I agree with.
Let us impose the death penalty.
PS TIME interview with the MAN
Posted by frog on Sep 18, 2006 at 8:13 PM
The U.S. Government has a long history beginning with the nuclear tests on Bikini Atoll, where thousands of soldiers were told to go on deck and watch the explosions. They saw each others skeletons during the blast, and puked their guts out for the next few days. So don’t trust them to handle biological agents safely either.
Go to GOOGLE and type in the words “The downwinders” to find out what it was like in St. Georges, UT, just down wind from the Nevada test site during the testing era. As one woman in her 50s said, “My high school reunion is at the local cemetery.”
In 1979 Depleted Uranium dust from Nat’l Lead industries back East, contaminated 52 properties leading to a 100 million dollar cleanup and closure of the plant. There is about 10,000 times as much DU dust in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is why experts such as Dr. Asaf Durakovic, Dr. Jawad-Al-Ali, and Dr. Ahmad Hardan have used the word “war crimes” to describe their use. (Dr. Ali talks about numerous families with multiple cancer victims. Ever heard of nine members of a family getting cancer at once?
I have lots of info on this at; vitaltruths.blogsource.com
Posted by aspendougy on Sep 18, 2006 at 8:28 PM
aspendougy,
All of what you say I have heard and have no serious doubts about the events. We can add to that the Agent Orange and various food additives we are ingesting
However, not is due to nefarious motives. Bad things can happen to good people from the best of intentions.
Personally, I have had far more radiation than doctor would administer today. Nearly sixty years ago I received it as treatment for an extreme case of acne. I only knew one other kid who had it and she died of cancer of the thyroid about 15 years ago. I don
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 19, 2006 at 6:30 AM
Frog,
Thanks for the link to the TIME interview with Ahmadinejad. Some of the interesting description reminds me of another person. (see insert)
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 19, 2006 at 7:09 AM
My take on events is to question very closely, everything, like you.
Like you, I start from somewhere else, so you find me really funny when I can believe the WORST of A government, and I find you misguided when you can believe the BEST . !
The MSM has an increasingly ignoble place in Society, so you could almost bet if they are unanimous, they are wrong.
This applies particularly to encouragement of any action right out of the ordinary, like WAR.
When I am damn sure the MSM is beating the wardrums, my antennae quiver, and I listen VERY carefully.
Presenting supposition or hypothesis as FACT on the NEWS seen by millions is no Accident when every time it is slanted ONE WAY ?
“Self-assurance bordering on arrogance”—might just be a RW reporter playing to his gallery ?
Winston and Theodore and Franklin and maybe even ‘Albert’ Einstein might have sounded arrogant at some times to some people ?
I sure have been taken in on various occasions in my life. I had great long-distance hopes of Tony Blair in 1997, and THEN, godhelpme, I actually listened to him on the radio from here in Frogland.
A Featherweight and a FRAUD .
I had naively thought that what I heard in the Press corresponded to some new reality, some change.
Listening to the little shit, it all became clear. Just another con-man. That was in 1997, a few months after the election,———AND I saw what most of the goddam rest of the world missed…
strange feeling.
SO WTH, you have your gwb, frog has his Blair, and I DO find it almost IMPOSSIBLE to listen to mine for more than three seconds.
PSSSSSST . No comment on POPE blabla and so-called MUSLIM reaction, because I was deliberately NOT following it .
I gave away my TV at Xmas . I listen a bit to BBC radio4 and WorldService, and France Inter, and France Culture, but otherwise quite safe .
SO, Ole frog knows little about it, will maybe read up about it later, BUT refuses to take any sides due to lack of info.
Since I do not know what “their behaviour” has been, I cannot comment on lack of World Outrage in reaction to it .
Some Rentamob Demos, some idiot killing somebody somewhere, is not a very good reason for changing the foreign policy of any country.
Posted by frog on Sep 19, 2006 at 12:39 PM
Dear WHATTHEHECK:
I am not one of those who believes that the military deliberately poisons people. They have some really intelligent people in the military, such as Norman Schwarzkopt (huge IQ), but also a lot of people who are not that smart. The military has done a lot of stupid things with radiation over the years.
I am sure the MD to zapped you for acne was good guy.
The sad thing is, kids are promised a bright future if they join up, you know, all the leadership of the pack, ARMY OF ONE stuff. Then many come back with their health compromised for the rest of their lives.
Sincerely,
Aspendougy
Posted by aspendougy on Sep 19, 2006 at 2:55 PM
Frog, I am really happy for you, about your starting to produce your own vegetables and your purchase of an electric bike, they are truly wise steps. My grandmother was French and so is my grand-daughter, her father being a French man. I visited France for the first time when she was born, ten years ago, at Le Havre and then a couple of times more. I enjoyed la Normandie immensely, visited small farms most of the time and ate the best cheese and cherries ever. I believe there is hope in your country for people who think like you because there is a very ancient farming tradition and most people are not so contaminated by modern trends. I have also given up my TV, rather read or listen to music on the radio. Anyway, bad news always catch me up but through years of independent observation I have developed a kind of sixth sense to detect lies, Our experience in Latin America, with the School of the Americas in Panama which trained our military men on torture and “disappearence” of people who were “politically incorrect” according to the Empire standards was enough to know the harmful influence of USA in the zone. Funny, they insist on leading a war to spread democracy in the world, while they never hesitated for a minute in recognizing military dictatorships which kept overthrowing presidents elected by their people. Keep up with your activities, they are a hope for all. In case you wish to contact me sometime in the future, my e-mail is >m_etchart@yahoo.com>.Best of luck.
Posted by Maria on Sep 19, 2006 at 5:36 PM
Frog & Maria,
I’ve been reading “On the Home Front” (Alistair Cooke
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 26, 2006 at 6:18 AM
Hey Heck
Blankley works for the “Reverend MOON”—dingaling,—- a little bell goin’ off ?
The Rightwing agenda of the WashTimes ,et al, is all about making people fearful—makes them easier to manipulate.
It took me years before I realised that the Globalisas were at war with me and the rest of humanity , but now I know, and not gonna be distrackted by any IslamoNazi sideshows !
I remember you were going to be a cowboy when you grow up, but have you taken the lice into account ?
Yee Haw ! ... (scratch, scratch,)
Posted by frog on Sep 26, 2006 at 12:43 PM
Frog,
I am aware of the ownership of the Washington Times. I guess avoiding any source which may present an alternative view would simplify life, but I would have to drop this one if I were to do that.
BTW
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 27, 2006 at 2:01 PM
HECK
I must confess I find your ‘source’ highly amusing and punchy, great fun.
Frederick Forsyth “Day of the Jackal” author, is great fun, too. And I’ve even heard him on the BBC—same stuff. .
WHEN are you going to allow yourself to question your belief that all this talk about a Clash of Civilisations just MIGHT be something that certain people WANT you to believe ?
Knowing you to be so distrustful of ready-made solutions, I find it surprising you have swallered that one .
Maybe you’re just playing with me, with that stuff about “easily insulted muslims”, because I don’t take any of it seriously, so why should you ?
““Harmless citizens”” get regularly blown up, nowadays, most of them by US/UK/Israel.
I’m looking forward to the day when you get to where I am. it is not “unpatriotic” to admit that one’s country’s policies are WRONG.
Posted by frog on Sep 27, 2006 at 2:37 PM
Frog, don’t you find it surprising that any time you try to make a point about something somebody starts “intellectualizing” the subject, complicating matters with quotations, excerpts from books until the main purpose has completely vanished and no recognition of the Empire’s or corporations’ actions ever appears?
The Greek, who were no doubt masters in many branches of knowledge, invented the “sophists”, well-paid brains who moved about meddling in conversations and producing “sophisms” which sounded reasonable but diverted the purpose of the conversation until each party returned home in despair without getting at the root of things. Later on, in history, we had Macchiavelli, the Gatopardo and many others whose primary function was to distort thinbgs to a point where any proposed change was impossible. I think many of these sites are being the victims of modern sophists and it’s a waste of time to expect anything from them, except rising your blood pressure.
Posted by Maria on Sep 27, 2006 at 3:30 PM
Frog,
I have to say I
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 28, 2006 at 12:50 PM
Heck,
Closing down those hundreds of US military bases overseas sounds a good idea !
On the Pope, and History, read Uri Avnery. an example here
Maria
Agreed !
Posted by frog on Sep 29, 2006 at 12:35 AM
Frog,
OK, I read the Avnery piece. Did you read the pope
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 29, 2006 at 1:18 PM
HECK , WTF !
NO ! I did not read the Pope’s speech.
VERY VERY often I change channels on the Radio, when I hear PROPAGANDA coming on. It may be the BBC , and I switch to the frogs, or vice versa.
As usual when both are propagandising, I SWITCH off .
Whenever someone says something is “inexcusable” I look around for my nuclear umbrella !
A few thousand drongos (thats OZ talk for nongs ) Proselitysing and Brainwashing, and Demonstrating around the globe is NOT enough to get ole Frog excited about a War of The ” Worlds” .
HIC, I meant…... War of “Civilisations ” !
Anyone who has looked seriously at the history of the Normans in Sicily, ( they came from just up the road , here ), and the co-existence between the Three Faiths, knows full well that faiths CAN co-exist, and that when there are elements looking for War between them, the basis is always in very ’ base’ Politics.
So, old HECK, stop wondering WHY none of ypur Reps responded to your correspondence over the past twenty years.
FORGET that little detail. JUST hate those “muslims”.
Posted by frog on Oct 2, 2006 at 1:02 PM
Frog,
You must be having a bad day.
I don
Posted by whattheheck on Oct 3, 2006 at 7:07 AM
You forgot the “cheese-eating surrender-monkey” insults used by the the other Trolls.
Back to troll-school mister Heck.
Posted by frog on Oct 5, 2006 at 12:44 PM
Glad to see the old gang is back. Wonder where everyone has been. And why no one is lending their old pal “cabbie” a hand on the neo-con lexicon thread. I’ve having a heck of a time with two of the worst trolls on this blogsite. Check it out!!
Anyhow it is interesting to see the Bushies downplay their usual “stay the course” messege right at mid-term elections. The civl war over there is raging and who ever thought that we’d be responsible for killing nearly three percent of the total Iraqi population. This is quite an achievement. These war criminals have accomplished what even the evil Saddam could not over his two and one half decades of tyranny. As the post invasion Iraqi death toll slowly approaches the 700,000 mark we can be proud of our genocidal accomplishments and the swelling of Halliburton’s and Bechtel’s profit margins which were single handedly saved by this vile war.
Bush and his ugly regime have ruined this country and the world.
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Do as I say, NOT as I do .
This article is correct , as far as it goes, but there is more to be said.
Terry does not address the dark history of government scientists (who were not “creationists—- just unscrupulous mad bastards) who experimented on soldiers, prisoners, kids in orphanages, and other civilians over much of the last century.
A few months ago the britgov paid out £100, 000 compensation to the family of a serviceman killed by a sarin experiment at Porton Down UK, FIFTY years ago. Frog remembers the ‘invitations’ to participate , in the late 1960’s Brit Army.
There are thousands of other cases if we include radiation exposure. Gulf War Syndrome, Agent Orange, extend to millions .
Aerial spraying of civilian areas has already been carried out in US and UK to determine the airborne spread of aerosol bugs / radioactive particles.
Mad scientists are bad enough, as they will get more research funds if they can demonstrate a threat, and what better way to do it than manufacture one ?
A new dimension is added with privatisation of research, where the manufacture of vaccines represents gigantic profits. $ BILLIONS .
The increasing crossover already between BigPharma and gov t Agencies has proved counterproductive, as those in FDA, EPA etc, have often been “owned” by those whose products they were called upon to judge.
Bio-War Research, and “vaccine-production” is like any other Arms Race.
A sidelight on this is the H5N1 Bird Flu scam.
Local vets were ordered to encourage backyard poultry keepers here to keep birds inside, or at least feed them there, install new fencing, lots of BlaBla !
Big health scare , and Bad science. All was blamed on “wild bird migration”.
New strains of disease arise with intensive production, spread by international trading of chicks, etc.
Globalisation again. Some profit, like Rummy and tamiflu (google that !), the rest of us get scared by the media, and PAY .
As always, in her expectation of a perfect world, Terry Allen begins by pointing out any and all US faults. Also as usual even accidents and misjudgments are lumped in as vicious plots against alll but the priveliged few. (I guess they must all have been vacinated and will be at zero risk.)
I suggest Terry go to Iran and demand to inspect any and all research labs and military sites. (I suppose she would have protested the A-bomb development if able. What did your Daddy do in the War, Terry?)
Let
WTH
Please notice my example IS from the UK Ministry of Defence.
Your attack on Terry is ad hominem, including a generation back !
My own Daddy served 1939-46, started at 18 and finished up as Radar Chief of HM Pacific Fleet at age 24. He served in every theatre from a Russian Convoy (under Luftwaffe bombing) to hunting the Bismarck , to Atlantic Convoys (under submarine attacks), but none of that will make anything I say here more accurate.
Terry’s daddy is not her , either .
To have a bit of balance here, may we assume that Terry lives in the USA, and looks in her own backyard first before all else ?
As a general principle, what happens first in the US arrives elsewhere a little later. One example. The riots in Watts were later followed in the UK. Another is the catastrophic increase in obesity in the US , which we are now seeing , first of course in the UK, and now in the rest of Europe.
As often , you shoot your fingers off onto keyboard before engaging brain, and really researching what this is all about, thinking HARD about where this type of so-called Research will lead, has already led, and COULD lead .
I can understand any government wisely and quietly researching and assessing the possibilities of BioWar.
I would do the same, very discreetly. So would you , I know.
The Soviets did it, we know. There are also indications that the Apartheid Gov in South Africa did so, along the same lines as their Nuke programme.
When does ‘defence’ become potentiallly ‘attack’ ?
Ike told us that the BOMBS were completely ‘unnecessary’ against Japan.
More than my friend rabbit, I appreciate your resistance to propaganda, for you are often right, BUT on some subjects you swallow it whole.
Carried away by the ‘Iranian Menace’, do you honestly think they are plotting BioWar against Rockford USA ?
Nah !
Hi Frog,
I only threw in the part about her Daddy because so many WW2 guys I know credit the dropping of the bomb for their lives. One WW2 Marine friend has a daughter who goes to an annual candle light A-bomb protest
WTH
Always enjoy talking to you.
There is a natural gut-instinct reaction towards defending one’s own country when one feels it is being unjustly ‘attacked’.
Been there myself . There is a centuries’ old hostility Brit / frog, and the sort of people who go in for Xenophobia and stereotyping play it . Being older and wiser I now know most of their attacks and “Play” with them.
Those poor hostile fools are easy .
The interesting opposite ones are those sold on ‘modernity’, globalisin’, and privatisin’ public utilities, who believe life is all sunshine in US and Blair’s Britain . You and I know that is not so .
Old Marines who still believe their lives were saved by the Bombs will believe what they will. A blockade would have done the job, I suspect ! Nuff said.
As your doc said, there ain’t no real defence against BioWar/ birdflu, which contradicts your point about having “agents ready ” ? , .
Which is one good reason for the World getting together to do some small , or LARGE things to making it unlikely.
Biological attack on the USA ?
Creating terror and mass destruction in the USA, but for what purpose ?
Terrorism is a TACTIC, like night attacks or flanking movements. It is rarely nihilistic, for its own sake—- normally there is a political and / or military objective.
We were brought up under the nuclear threat, and survived.
I am far more interested in designing housing which does NOT need large inputs of energy to be warm in winter and cool in summer.
The ideal is as close to zero as possible !
Then no need to go warring around the world for fear of losing oil supplies etc.
We face an increasingly ‘neocon’ solution from the Harper Conservative cabal running Canada and ‘Steve’s (Bush’s new puppet) commitment to playing a bigger role on the world stage. Someone forgot to tell him that he’s no better an actor than the Straussian clone running the US.
Another friend posted a brilliant look at the combination of the two of them and should be a ‘must see’ for all concerned about both our leaders actions. I did my part to ensure the information is available to surf in blogsphere btw, Have you met Mr. Busharper?
Wake up ‘sheeple’! Time to baaa your own tune.
Peace please!
neilemac
The USA Senate has recently discovered there was no link between Saddam and AlQaeda. It certainly took them a long time to reach that brainy conclusion. Are they ready to undo all the harm their troops inflicted in Irak, mostly to civilians? There is no way that can possibly be done, but at least it could be used to stop creating fear of other countries, such as Iran, Lebanon, Cuba, Venezuela, and so many others who have a right to live their lives as they think fit.
I agree with frog, that creating fear is a good business. Most of us live in fear of the weapons and chemicals the USA produce. I don’t feel in any way less threatened by their potential because they are in USA’s hands.
Quite on the contrary, because no other country in the world feels it has the right to impose fear on others as they do.
I am not only sick of this all, I am dead scared to see the amount of power accumulated by the Empire for one main purpose: greed and blindness, plus the prevail of a shrinking, reptilian brain in charge at most levels.
Maria
Surely sick of it, but not yet scared ....?
maybe i"m an incorrigible optimist, but not scared YET !
OF COURSE I recognise the ‘race-war’ possibility that Bushniks or similar Powermaniacs might decide to wipe our three-quarters of humanity to get “Lebensraum” .
In the shorter term, those Mothas are eating away at the very basis of life—- monopolising the possibilities for agri- seeds.
A century ago there were thousands of different strains of wheat / apple trees, now there are twenty predominant ones, and the others start to DISAPPEAR .
ten days ago, here in france, the goddam secret police invaded the house of a guy publishing the age-old recipes for using “nettles” in a decoction, for insect-repellent and fertiliser .
Well, the caterpillars disappeared from my cabbages, using it !
ONE SMALL EXAMPLE of what is already happening.
The small minority who are researching BioWar are the brothers of that small minority who are trying to monopolise and patent the natural resources that belong to all of us.
FASCISTS .
frog, I am not personally scared, I fear for the future of young people, children and those who are to come. I feel they are denied the right to live in harmony with nature, of which we are only a part. Every day I use part of my day to walk about, talk to people trying to open their eyes, picking tree seeds and planting them in any space I find, talking to and embracing ancient trees (the few that are left) but you wouldn’t believe it, being this a supposedly nature-loving country how indifferent people are becoming, blinded by the model which the media is trying to impose on them. Not too many years ago Latin America had more than 40 varieties of potatoes and corn. They have all disappeared, farmers now buy their chemically treated seeds which have no reproductivity, so they have to buy them every time they want to plant and then they fumigate the plants with products which poison the earth, kill birds and butterflies and produce tasteless vegetables all of one kind.
I don’t know if you had the chance of seeing “MondoVino”, a documentary film about wine production in France, Italy and Argentina, the way it has been manipulated and jeopardized so that wine from California could outstand. If you saw it, the last part of this film is in Argentina, the owners of those vineyards being relatives of mine, so I know it is absolutely true.
All this makes Jos
Frog,
You say you are
Hi HECK,
I wouldn’t say I was in the Blame Game. Most criticism of US applies elsewhere too. The Military-Industrial complex is truly multinational.
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All sorts of groups are engaged in uncivilised and even barbarous acts, and most of them are Criminals, and many wear suits and have VERY expensive lawyers.
The Reichstag Fire and Hitler’s subsequent Enabling Acts are part of world history, which we can all look at and maybe learn from.
Surprising numbers of terror groups have been penetrated by secret service agencies, and ‘used’ by them. A nasty world.
Acts of terrorism could be, have been, a VERY good way of distracting the mass of the peoples’ attention from problems that are actually far more serious.
Like a street incident you stop to watch, while someone picks your pocket .
Your list is horrible I agree, but no more so than a bad day in Blair and Bush’s Iraq.
If you think back to our earlier discussions on globalisation, and the disappearance of so many good skilled jobs, the absolute decline in the quality of life for very many over the last 25 years, THAT is where I prefer to focus.
As Maria said, the worldwide agri-chemical industry is killing poor farmers, purely for profit, by stealing their land, forcing gmo seeds on them—- the list is long. Killing our own farmers, too, but more slowly.
They have accomplices in government, usually bought in some way or other. Look at my example 9/10 5.51, the police forced their way into a man’s house in france….
OUR societies are going down the pan at the moment, but it is not a few mad or bad terrorists doing it.
OUR politicians are either clueless or corrupt, and the easiest way to keep us subdued is by FEAR.
Maria—- I saw the film, not a great surprise, eh ?
Frog,
We certainly agree on the effects of globalization and the down hill slide of our societies. I believe our basic disagreement on terrorist attacks is one of the primary common denominator.
I just sent a comment to the new discussion question concerning the Federal Minimum Wage opinion for the U.S. My disgust at the massive cooperative effect of government, big business and the idiotic media continues to grow. Senator Dorgan has been tenacious, but nearly alone in his attempts to address the issue
HECK,
Behind the tough old rather militaristic guy is a ‘Greeny’ trying to get out !
Carter was the wrong man saying the right things in the Seventies. IF the US had declared a War on EnergyWasting then, the common mindset in the US would be very different today ?
Just imagine the cocktail set in San Fran—- ” Waal, my house doesn’t NEED AC, because we are using techniques discovered in the Middle East a thousand years ago”.
POWERFUL FORCES conspired to make it otherwise, keep the users hooked on their drugs.
Same here in europe.
ON TERRORISM .................. .
I think it was Robert Pape, an american academic, who did a study on suicude bombers. Most , from memory, were inspired by political / nationalistic aims rather than Islamist fundy nihilistic Ideology.
Young fools who suicide themselves are NOT the major problem in the world today. They make the headlines, (by killing a few people,) .... but so do footballers’ salaries.
I am currently following debates at Blairwatch . We are now seeing a concerted media propaganda campaign to tell us all that Ahmedinejihad of Iran made a speech calling for “wiping Israel off the map ” .
I hear that day and night on the brit and french mainstream media.
The whole thing is bogus, like the “WMD” of Iraq.
Virginia Tilley on those translations
That propaganda campaign looks very much as though they are “softening us up” for their Next Step.
Another ““October Surprise “” ?
Whattheheck, Did I get you right? You don’t seem to be shocked by the idea of the CIA practicing torture, but by your president saying it in a loud voice. I have always wondered about the American sentence_ “You have to do what you have to do”. That is so ample anything can be covered by that umbrella. Who is to decide “what you have to do”.? It sounds like somebody has the only possible answer to everything and the rest of us, mortal beings are supposed to abide by that and don’t use our own inner voice and assume our personal responsibility.
Alternative ways of generating power haven’t been developed or used because there is still some oil left and the corporations don’t want to miss the profits involved. The same with wars, weapon manufacturers are behind conflicts because it’s good business . The same with fear, if you scare people about diseases, terrorists, thiefs, and a wide variety of “perils” you can sell them your junk. All that is easier and more profitable to do than try to understand the root of those problems and try to create the conditions of a more compassionate and just world.
Maria asked,
Frog,
I don
Heck, I prefer your Greenery to the other stuff .
(Carter was not completely an innocent, I believe he was the one started funding the Afghan mujahadin in 1979, and we’ve seen where that led. )
New regulations in Old Europe are steadily increasing insulation, stipulating much larger areas of double-glazed windows, and an architect friend tells me they seem to be aiming at “bio-climatic” houses for 2050, with most of the measures in place in a very few years from now.
. I’m plotting to upgrade my house, increase the vegetable production, and going to see an ‘electric bike’ tomorrow.
Some investment now for far greater energy independence , and the need for less $, therefore less work to do ! So I can have more time for trouble-making against the Globalisas and their omnipresent quislings amongst us.
Maria
As you see I’m starting with my own garden , which is my way of escaping the foodtrade monopolies, and more people here are buying direct from local small farms. Small initiatives, for sure, but worth investing time in. Supporting political campaigns too.
Searching out the rare politicians with honesty, independence and commonsense is vital—byron dorgan for one .(thread at ITT)—and telling the others what we expect from them, or else…
Jos
This is what real scientists should be doing, not playing Dr Strangelove .
Frog,
I heard on the news his morning the Food & Drug Administration has OKed the addition of certain viruses to various food products to help prevent some kind of obscure disease.
Frog,
I read Virginia
Frog,
I don
Guys from Saudi Arabia, SUPPOSEDLY , did 911, and in a tantrum gwb invaded IRAQ and killed a hundred thousand or so .
Them Christians sure have planks in their eyes.
If I remember right Tilley refers to translations by ithers. First I saw was in a german paper.
Why not forget the ad hominem stuff for a while , and go and look for various translations ?
Why does all your criticism begin and end with Bush?
Why do you accept Tilley or anyone else unquestioningly and then build your theories on them?
What difference if all 9/11 guys were all from Saudi Arabia? Think of how many other attacks by Muslims where from assorted countries. This is not a nation against nation fight.
Most of all
HECK,
“Gwb” is shorthand for this administration.
This administration is a continuation, and extension to new depths, of previous US policy.
I mentioned Tilley, because the name easier to remember, seen a number of others on the subject of translation .
Constant repetition of a few simple messages is the essence of selling, and PROPAGANDA, I am sure you will agree WTH ?
Considering how much obfuscation and goddam lying can be got away with, USING a COMMON LANGUAGE, WOWEE for anything in translation ! (we agree, maybe ,)
Holding suicide bombers responsible for their actions I agree with.
Let us impose the death penalty.
PS TIME interview with the MAN
The U.S. Government has a long history beginning with the nuclear tests on Bikini Atoll, where thousands of soldiers were told to go on deck and watch the explosions. They saw each others skeletons during the blast, and puked their guts out for the next few days. So don’t trust them to handle biological agents safely either.
Go to GOOGLE and type in the words “The downwinders” to find out what it was like in St. Georges, UT, just down wind from the Nevada test site during the testing era. As one woman in her 50s said, “My high school reunion is at the local cemetery.”
In 1979 Depleted Uranium dust from Nat’l Lead industries back East, contaminated 52 properties leading to a 100 million dollar cleanup and closure of the plant. There is about 10,000 times as much DU dust in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is why experts such as Dr. Asaf Durakovic, Dr. Jawad-Al-Ali, and Dr. Ahmad Hardan have used the word “war crimes” to describe their use. (Dr. Ali talks about numerous families with multiple cancer victims. Ever heard of nine members of a family getting cancer at once?
I have lots of info on this at; vitaltruths.blogsource.com
aspendougy,
All of what you say I have heard and have no serious doubts about the events. We can add to that the Agent Orange and various food additives we are ingesting
However, not is due to nefarious motives. Bad things can happen to good people from the best of intentions.
Personally, I have had far more radiation than doctor would administer today. Nearly sixty years ago I received it as treatment for an extreme case of acne. I only knew one other kid who had it and she died of cancer of the thyroid about 15 years ago. I don
Frog,
Thanks for the link to the TIME interview with Ahmadinejad. Some of the interesting description reminds me of another person. (see insert)
My take on events is to question very closely, everything, like you.
Like you, I start from somewhere else, so you find me really funny when I can believe the WORST of A government, and I find you misguided when you can believe the BEST . !
The MSM has an increasingly ignoble place in Society, so you could almost bet if they are unanimous, they are wrong.
This applies particularly to encouragement of any action right out of the ordinary, like WAR.
When I am damn sure the MSM is beating the wardrums, my antennae quiver, and I listen VERY carefully.
Presenting supposition or hypothesis as FACT on the NEWS seen by millions is no Accident when every time it is slanted ONE WAY ?
“Self-assurance bordering on arrogance”—might just be a RW reporter playing to his gallery ?
Winston and Theodore and Franklin and maybe even ‘Albert’ Einstein might have sounded arrogant at some times to some people ?
I sure have been taken in on various occasions in my life. I had great long-distance hopes of Tony Blair in 1997, and THEN, godhelpme, I actually listened to him on the radio from here in Frogland.
A Featherweight and a FRAUD .
I had naively thought that what I heard in the Press corresponded to some new reality, some change.
Listening to the little shit, it all became clear. Just another con-man. That was in 1997, a few months after the election,———AND I saw what most of the goddam rest of the world missed…
strange feeling.
SO WTH, you have your gwb, frog has his Blair, and I DO find it almost IMPOSSIBLE to listen to mine for more than three seconds.
PSSSSSST . No comment on POPE blabla and so-called MUSLIM reaction, because I was deliberately NOT following it .
I gave away my TV at Xmas . I listen a bit to BBC radio4 and WorldService, and France Inter, and France Culture, but otherwise quite safe .
SO, Ole frog knows little about it, will maybe read up about it later, BUT refuses to take any sides due to lack of info.
Since I do not know what “their behaviour” has been, I cannot comment on lack of World Outrage in reaction to it .
Some Rentamob Demos, some idiot killing somebody somewhere, is not a very good reason for changing the foreign policy of any country.
Dear WHATTHEHECK:
I am not one of those who believes that the military deliberately poisons people. They have some really intelligent people in the military, such as Norman Schwarzkopt (huge IQ), but also a lot of people who are not that smart. The military has done a lot of stupid things with radiation over the years.
I am sure the MD to zapped you for acne was good guy.
The sad thing is, kids are promised a bright future if they join up, you know, all the leadership of the pack, ARMY OF ONE stuff. Then many come back with their health compromised for the rest of their lives.
Sincerely,
Aspendougy
Frog, I am really happy for you, about your starting to produce your own vegetables and your purchase of an electric bike, they are truly wise steps. My grandmother was French and so is my grand-daughter, her father being a French man. I visited France for the first time when she was born, ten years ago, at Le Havre and then a couple of times more. I enjoyed la Normandie immensely, visited small farms most of the time and ate the best cheese and cherries ever. I believe there is hope in your country for people who think like you because there is a very ancient farming tradition and most people are not so contaminated by modern trends. I have also given up my TV, rather read or listen to music on the radio. Anyway, bad news always catch me up but through years of independent observation I have developed a kind of sixth sense to detect lies, Our experience in Latin America, with the School of the Americas in Panama which trained our military men on torture and “disappearence” of people who were “politically incorrect” according to the Empire standards was enough to know the harmful influence of USA in the zone. Funny, they insist on leading a war to spread democracy in the world, while they never hesitated for a minute in recognizing military dictatorships which kept overthrowing presidents elected by their people. Keep up with your activities, they are a hope for all. In case you wish to contact me sometime in the future, my e-mail is >m_etchart@yahoo.com>.Best of luck.
Frog & Maria,
I’ve been reading “On the Home Front” (Alistair Cooke
Hey Heck
Blankley works for the “Reverend MOON”—dingaling,—- a little bell goin’ off ?
The Rightwing agenda of the WashTimes ,et al, is all about making people fearful—makes them easier to manipulate.
It took me years before I realised that the Globalisas were at war with me and the rest of humanity , but now I know, and not gonna be distrackted by any IslamoNazi sideshows !
I remember you were going to be a cowboy when you grow up, but have you taken the lice into account ?
Yee Haw ! ... (scratch, scratch,)
Frog,
I am aware of the ownership of the Washington Times. I guess avoiding any source which may present an alternative view would simplify life, but I would have to drop this one if I were to do that.
BTW
HECK
I must confess I find your ‘source’ highly amusing and punchy, great fun.
Frederick Forsyth “Day of the Jackal” author, is great fun, too. And I’ve even heard him on the BBC—same stuff. .
WHEN are you going to allow yourself to question your belief that all this talk about a Clash of Civilisations just MIGHT be something that certain people WANT you to believe ?
Knowing you to be so distrustful of ready-made solutions, I find it surprising you have swallered that one .
Maybe you’re just playing with me, with that stuff about “easily insulted muslims”, because I don’t take any of it seriously, so why should you ?
““Harmless citizens”” get regularly blown up, nowadays, most of them by US/UK/Israel.
I’m looking forward to the day when you get to where I am. it is not “unpatriotic” to admit that one’s country’s policies are WRONG.
Frog, don’t you find it surprising that any time you try to make a point about something somebody starts “intellectualizing” the subject, complicating matters with quotations, excerpts from books until the main purpose has completely vanished and no recognition of the Empire’s or corporations’ actions ever appears?
The Greek, who were no doubt masters in many branches of knowledge, invented the “sophists”, well-paid brains who moved about meddling in conversations and producing “sophisms” which sounded reasonable but diverted the purpose of the conversation until each party returned home in despair without getting at the root of things. Later on, in history, we had Macchiavelli, the Gatopardo and many others whose primary function was to distort thinbgs to a point where any proposed change was impossible. I think many of these sites are being the victims of modern sophists and it’s a waste of time to expect anything from them, except rising your blood pressure.
Frog,
I have to say I
Heck,
Closing down those hundreds of US military bases overseas sounds a good idea !
On the Pope, and History, read Uri Avnery. an example here
Maria
Agreed !
Frog,
OK, I read the Avnery piece. Did you read the pope
HECK , WTF !
NO ! I did not read the Pope’s speech.
VERY VERY often I change channels on the Radio, when I hear PROPAGANDA coming on. It may be the BBC , and I switch to the frogs, or vice versa.
As usual when both are propagandising, I SWITCH off .
Whenever someone says something is “inexcusable” I look around for my nuclear umbrella !
A few thousand drongos (thats OZ talk for nongs ) Proselitysing and Brainwashing, and Demonstrating around the globe is NOT enough to get ole Frog excited about a War of The ” Worlds” .
HIC, I meant…... War of “Civilisations ” !
Anyone who has looked seriously at the history of the Normans in Sicily, ( they came from just up the road , here ), and the co-existence between the Three Faiths, knows full well that faiths CAN co-exist, and that when there are elements looking for War between them, the basis is always in very ’ base’ Politics.
So, old HECK, stop wondering WHY none of ypur Reps responded to your correspondence over the past twenty years.
FORGET that little detail. JUST hate those “muslims”.
Frog,
You must be having a bad day.
I don
You forgot the “cheese-eating surrender-monkey” insults used by the the other Trolls.
Back to troll-school mister Heck.
Glad to see the old gang is back. Wonder where everyone has been. And why no one is lending their old pal “cabbie” a hand on the neo-con lexicon thread. I’ve having a heck of a time with two of the worst trolls on this blogsite. Check it out!!
Anyhow it is interesting to see the Bushies downplay their usual “stay the course” messege right at mid-term elections. The civl war over there is raging and who ever thought that we’d be responsible for killing nearly three percent of the total Iraqi population. This is quite an achievement. These war criminals have accomplished what even the evil Saddam could not over his two and one half decades of tyranny. As the post invasion Iraqi death toll slowly approaches the 700,000 mark we can be proud of our genocidal accomplishments and the swelling of Halliburton’s and Bechtel’s profit margins which were single handedly saved by this vile war.
Bush and his ugly regime have ruined this country and the world.
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