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Reader Comments (177)The American Historical Association refuses to acknowledge the IHR as either a professional scholarly association or as purveyers of valid scholarship on the subject of the Holocaust in Europe during WWII. Many compatent scholars all over the world have read their work and claim that it is fraudulent, filled with fake data, misquotes, fudged data, quotes from non-existent sources. One such work to be so reviewed is called “Did Six Million Really Die.” There are others as well. These so called revisionist “scholars” tend to quote from each other rather than primary sources and few actually even have proficiency in the European languages relevant to do the necessary research on the Holocaust. When they do use primary sources they distort them. They are dishonest and filled with hateful agenda. The Wikipedia has documented the antics of all of them and shown their claims to be fraudulent. The Wikipedia uses highly reputable sources in making all these claims.
Lipstadt is not afraid to debate anyone. She debated David Irving in a UK court and won. The Judge denounced Irving as a vicious racist upon passing sentence. He awarded Lipstadt quite a large settlement.
BM, you are a very dishonest person. You have childishly and pathetically supported holocaust revisionism as, and I quote, “the only way in which the Palestinians will get their land back.” This is stupid and moronic. Critics of Israel have always said they are anti-Zionist but not anti-Jewish. Now this is shown to be a lie at least with regard to many of these so called “anti-Zionists.” You are sick and an anti-semite because of your views.
In addition you name call people and accuse them of not thinking. You are a reactionary fool. You even believe the estate tax, a tax that even the conservative Bush regime’s own IRS has publically claimed will effect less than 2% of all US households, will effect poor schmucks like yourself. Is this another rightist propaganda blitz on your part. BM, you are not a progressive of any kind by just another troll more dangerous and vicious than even Scorp. In my worst nightmares I imagine that you are actually the same person. You need help. And yes Psychiatry is a valid science. Mental Illness is no myth. I’ve seen it up close. I live with a manic depressive who is on Tegritol all the time. I’ve known many such people in both the cities of Madison and Chicago. They don’t have the capacity to even do their own dishes, flush the toilet, or lock doors behind them. They are completely disfunctional and lethargic. They have low short term memory. The can’t cope with simple, everyday tasks. If this isn’t mental illness than what is?
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 25, 2006 at 12:49 AM The AHA are a bunch of hagiographic establishment hacks.
Now I’ve given the refs and so far all you have done is libel me.
Lipstadt NEVER debated Irving on anything including the holocaust.
A court trial is not a debate. Lipstadt herself has consistently publicly
proclaimed her refusal to engage holocaust revisionist scholars in
debate as has the Wiesenthal Center. Irving is the rare historian whose work
is primarily taken from primary sources, unlike Lipstadt. Irving is not an
authority nor has he written on the holocaust, itself a totally dishonest
term which means death by fire which neither the conventional hysterian
hacks nor the revisionists claim. Many revisionists are fluent in several
languages.
You wouldn’t know this because you have never read any of the revisionists.
You take your “knowledge” second hand because it conforms to your lifelong
prejudices on the subject.
A person who is anti-Jewish hates Jews qua Jews. None of the
revisionists that I have read do. That someone is hated by some or
even many Jews does not make them anti-Jewish.
Holocaust Revisionism has advanced light years beyond the early
1970s monograph in the UK titled Did Six Million Really Die ? That
was ok as a starting point by has been totally superceded by Butz,
Faurisson, Sanning, Mattogno and Germar Rudolf among others.
The only way the Palestinians are going to get their land back is through
the exposure of this massive hoax. Certainly not by left losers over here.
Psychiatry is a worse fraud than the holocaust because at least we all agree
that the Nazis persecuted Jews. The very concepts of mental illness and
schizophrenia are invalid as well Fraud’s id, ego, super ego
and the rest of the psychoanalytic-psychiatric garbage, read Szasz’s
Insanity, The Myth of Mental Ilnness, Schizophrenia: The Sacred
Symbol of Psychiatry and about 30 other scholarly works. Your
anecdotes mean zip because you are hooked on the conventional
paradigm which itself is all wrong. That people get depressed is
not a sign of illness. The term has become what witchcraft was
during the middle ages, a catch-all term that actually doesn’t tell
us zip. Again, we can’t hijack this thread to carry on a dialogue which
properly takes many thousands of words to even make a dent.
I’m not poor and yes the estate tax does affect many of us here in
California where most houses go from half a mill to a mill. Then
add in some stocks, IRA’s, bank accounts and you are easily at the
level where you are affected by the estate tax. It’s a vicious assault
on the right of people to leave their earned wealth to their descendants.
Other than this unverified “2% figure” that you give above, I’ve seen no
response to my requests there for some hard stats. Just more name
calling, people like you use reactionary, anti-semite, nazi, fascist
like people like Scorp use commie, socialist, anti-american, etc.
The same mindset.
Get your love OFF that drug, see Dr. Peter Breggin’s Toxic Psychiatry
for starters. He’s a shrink in Bethesda, Maryland where I grew up.
Those drugs are brain cell destroyers big time.
Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 5:42 PM Make the dent! Why, for example, do dogs get depressed? Mental illness? Lack of prescription drugs? Improper diet? Cry for help? Uninspired? Purposeless? Taxation without representation? Persecution? Misleading media?
Posted by barkless1 on Dec 26, 2006 at 6:12 PM BM
Like most knuckleheads you don’t listen. I told you that the conservative IRS is the source for the 2% figure on the number of households effected by the estate tax. The median income of this group is well in the millions. The accumulated marketable wealth is much higher. These people are multi-millionaires and enjoy many deductions before their wealth begins to be taxed at a modest progressive two tiered rate. Retirement funds are tax deferred. The Estate Tax allows a one million dollar deduction and Bush wants to push it to two after which top bracket is 45% than reduced to 15%. The effective rates of taxation on the estates at death would all be under 20% and many under 7% on accumulated wealth worth millions of dollars. Very few people would be effected even in the state of California.
BM, the Holocaust revisionism, various racist comments, and now this estate tax nonsense shows that you are a far-rightist troll trying to insult and upset people with your BS. You insult and dismiss the AHA which represents most of the US historical profession across the political spectrum. They have actually peer reviewed these “works” that you cited and found them all to be fraudulent. Take any one of the revisionists that you so arrogantly thrust at me and look on the Wikipedia. The fraud is well documented on the entries for these so called scholars. I’ve seen their works myself. They mostly quote from each other and where they cite “primary” sources they twist and misquote them. Holocaust revisionism is dishonest. It is not about scholarship but political agenda. You yourself said you supported it believing it to be the only hope for the return of Palestinian lands as it holocaust revisionism forms part of the ten plagues to be visited upon the oppressive Jewish State which must be forced to let the others have their freedom. This is beyond silly!! Besides you never account for the US/UK/Soviet armies that entered the death camps during the war and testified to their existance. Claims of gassings were investigated afterward and confirmed by all parties. The entire German establishment confessed to it. Do you think this would be possible were it not true?! You are clearly insane. The holocaust is not an opinion it is a fact.
I don’t know why you hate psychiatric treatment. I could help you. Szasz is not a respected psychiatric authority. Yes, Freud has his shortcomings but there is more to modern psychiatry than Freud. All mental patients hate psychiatric treatment. Do you believe x-rays are being beamed at you from outerspace and the government and NASA are keeping it a secret?
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 26, 2006 at 11:11 PM The IRS is conservative ? Put down that crack pipe, dude !
Apparently lots of people out here who aren’t millionaires
have been affected, they are the ones putting the pressure on
Congress.
The millionaires by themselves are not a huge voting black
and not even the major contributing block.
I’ve had many friends in the history profession across the
spectrum and most share my contempt for the AHA. Those
on the left as much or more so than those on the Right.
Wikipedia ????????? Anyone can and does post there.
The entries on Irving and HR are a joke. I’ve actually read
thousands of pages of writings by HR scholars. Do you
seriously think that your extremely low level ad hominem
attacks on those scholars AND myself impress me in the
least ? You don’t know the first thing about human psychology
in addition to your vast ignorance in history and economics.
I support HR on the merits regardless of the Palestinian issue.
I believe that if the Arabs had any brains, which is problematic,
they would have drowned the world in HR decades ago.
Most historians mostly quote secondary sources but Irving
primarily quotes primary sources as do Butz, Mattogno, Rudolf,
Faurisson, Sanning and the other HR scholars.
Which is why I kindly gave the refs so you could do your own
homework.
If you would take time to read some of the works I’ve recommended
you would see that many of the original conclusions of the US-UK
and Soviet forces regarding the camps were flatly untrue.
The leftist German Establishment is only in power due to Allied
coercion after the war and they have outlawed all dissenting opinions
which should tell you something if you had a brain. I’m shocked at
how pathetic and weak your nonarguments are here. This is like
shooting at cows close range.
By the way, very few of the HR works have been peer-reviewed or
reviewed at all. And the few pathetic attempts, like Lipstadt, have been
torn to pieces in The Journal of Historical Review.
You can’t argue the facts so you have to try to discredit the messenger
and all you can quote are the “authorities” that HR has already refuted.
Szasz is a very highly respected psychiatrist and psychoanalyst and
no, I’ll bypass your offer of Soviet style psychiatric “help.”
All mental patients hate psychiatric treatment like all political prisoners
hate concentration camps and so do many of us who have never been
in either. You might as well write that all slaves hate slavery.
God but you’re a stupid ass. Joyce Stoller warned me about you.
Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 11:48 PM Hardesty you are the only one which is on crack. Most of the people don’t even know about the estate tax much less are they the source of agitation for its repeal. It’s all about the rich and so are the libertarians. You live in a shithole called Oakland. I don’t call it that because it’s inter-racial. I live in Evanston. It is about 40% Black and a wonderful place to live. The cops both White and Black watch every neighborhood like a hawk. That is the difference between Chicago and California. You need more dedicated Police Officers and people who support their work. Good relations must be cultivated between the communities and the police. Oak Park on Chicago’s west side is similar to Evanston on the north side.
Who, by the way, is Joyce Stoller. Another moron? You never address the issue that it’s quite impossible and implausible that the US/UK/Soviet government would conspire to create the holocaust narrative. The post-war german governments were hardly leftist. They went along with US efforts to create an open post war world economic order based on the US dollar which by the way was pegged to gold at $35.00/ounce. This was the design of the right and the big corporations for markets and investment opportunities, hardly the left. The Soviets also received much US grain exports which helped them continue post-war industrialization but this also helped the largest US farmers and US agribusiness. This helped the US post war trade position for years.
You haven’t advanced one idea put forth by any one of these anti-semites. You have not so much as clarified any one of their theses. You are like Wendy Campbell pursuing HR just because you think it helps the Palestinian cause. It was her that came up with the “where are all the names?” demand in the first place, She was then presented with over three million of them by the Wiesenthal Center and told most of the rest of the Jews had vanished without a trace. I know that most of the libertarians are holocaust deniers because they hold Zionism to be “statist” and thus anti-market. States and markets often are naturally intertwined anyhow. This is hardly a reason to deny the biggest and most complex genocide in all history, any way. You have no proof of the accuracy of the mindless prattle of the HRs.
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 27, 2006 at 12:22 AM I wasn’t here to clarify the HR thesis. I gave the four areas in which they
differ from the conventional unwisdom but stated that except for the
so-called holocaust the HR people are in agreement with the fact
that the German govt persecuted the Jews. Rather than detail the
elaborate arguments I properly gave you sources.
You have given nothing but insults in return.
Many middle class people ARE opposed to the estate tax and no
one buys that “it only soaks the rich” nonsense.
The US and the USSR both had considerable vested interests in
creating the holocaust story, it was their one common ground, their
one joint “good war.”
As I told you before my interest in HR has nothing to do with Palestine.
The Chicago cops ????????? Oh, please ! Talk about brutal fascists.
By the way, Professor Arthur Butz of Northwestern (Emeritus) lives in
Evanston. Read his revised The Hoax of the 20th Century.
Joyce is Jewish and from Chicago, I thought that I had met met
you one time in her apt in SF. It was an old cabbie friend but
maybe she was confused here.
Your comment about Oakland is totally unbalanced.
Now even if the story WAS true, it would be far from the biggest
genocide in history, Stalin killed between 50 and 100 million.
Mao between 80 and 100 million. The US Empire tens of millions
of blacks and Indians, the Inquisition over 30 million, the Germans
themselves probably 30 million of each others in the 30 year
Protestant-Catholic wars, the US 2-4 million in Indochina,
Chiang Kai-chek around 10 million in 1927 alone and so on.
You guys are nowhere near the top of this list and I DO think
that 1-2 million European Jews died from ALL causes during
WW2 was a tragedy.
I have no proof of the fantastic claims of the holocaust exterminationists.
The revisionists could be wrong but I’ve seen no arguments advanced
to prove that thesis.
The Wiesenthal Center has never come up with anywhere near three
million provable names and in fact they have listed as has Vad Vashem
many names of people that are or were alive when they were listed.
That’s one of the things you’ll discover if you do the research here.
Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 1:22 AM BM
You didn’t give me sources you gave me garbage. You have never made one argument which proves any HR thesis. I told you what the proof was. The HR morons just spew lies. Nobody but punks believe them. The Wiesenthal center never published names of living people claimed to have died in the genocide in Europe. This is a lie. Wiesenthal has only told the truth. Your figures on Mao and Stalin are way off. They are in fact insane and proof of your insanity. No one has ever claimed these figures for Mao and Stalin or any of the other ones for that matter. The US and the Soviets had NO interest in making up a fantastic story and you have no provided any to tell us about. I gave you plenty of evidence which you continually chose to flagrantly ignore you sick fuck!! You want evidence go to one of the most informed and comprehensive websites ever. http//www.hdot.org
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 27, 2006 at 10:42 PM You never checked out the many sources that I gave you so you wouldn’t
be in a position to characterize them as “garbage.” But that epithet
would more accurately apply to Wiesenthal’s “research.” For years
Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Weasel Center was sending out fundraising
letters claiming that Wiesenthal’s father was killed by the Nazis when
he really died in WW1. That’s jusy a very small tip of the iceberg.
The figures on Mao are understated if anything, the recent book
Mao:The Untold Story gave 70 million as his death toll but that included
only 3 million killed in the Cultural Revolution when as many were killed
then (1966-1976) as died in the Greap Leap Forward, 38 million (1958-61.)
And they died an incomparably worse death than “gas chambers” or
mass shootings, many starved or were tortured to death, something
even establishment hacks don’t claim about Hitler. Ergo with Stalin,
Solzhenitsyn estimates 100 million killed during Communist rule, the
great bulk under Stalin. 50 million is the low estimate for Stalin.
Since you never bothered to check out my refs, why should I check
out yours, Smegma Breath ? The point is that your sources HAVE
been thoroughly checked out and found wanting, which is WHY there
is holocaust revisionism.
The other figures I gave for extermination of the blacks and Indians
have been endorsed by Zinn, Chomsky, Ward Churchill, James
Baldwin, Toni Morrison (she dedicated a book “to the 100 million”),
William Blum and many other progressives. What kind of sick holocaust
denial about Communist and US atrocities are you engaging in ?
The US and USSR were ALLIES in WW2, both regimes have a vested
interest in the myth of the Good War, it was a cult in the USSR and
almost here too.
By the way, you never remotely described proof NOR did you ever prove
anything. No one can give “evidence” on a website, you refer people
to the sources that do give the arguments and the best physical evidence
available by Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf, Arthur Butz, David Cole,
Fred Leuchter and others.
As the great Socialist founder of modern Arab nationalism,
His Excellency, President Gamal Addul Nasser of Egypt said,
“May you choke to death on your own anger.”
Be my guest, little cabbie turd.
Posted by blondemike on Dec 28, 2006 at 1:40 AM I did check out the sources pigboy and there is a reason they’re not taken seriously. There is also a good reason that people go to prison for spewing this crap. Spreading hate in order to villify a nation is bullshit. You haven’t checked out the website I gave you which is www.hdot.org which basically debunks all the HR scum as just that. You have never refuted anything that Lipstadt has said and neither have the HR morons. GO to the site I gave you. Besides there’s no possible way that people would believe this narrative if it wasn’t true. It is quite impossible to fake a genocide. The Nazis testified knowing they were going to die anyhow. What about Albert Speer? His book written from Spandau Prison was proof because he saw and did many of the things he spoke about in the book. How can you say Authentic Nazi testimony was fake? You are an obvious moron.
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 28, 2006 at 5:24 AM Chicago, you are a liar. You never checked the sources at all.
Your source I am familiar with you because unlike you I’ve read
both sides thoroughly.
Speer was tortured in Spandau as were all the Nuremberg defendants
and Eichmann. These Soviet style trials were a farce. See Advance
To Barbarism by F.J.P. Veale for starters. That the “holocaust” was
not true was not allowed as a defense, so naturally everyone had to
say they were following orders. Even an old Communist shitbrain like
you whose ideology has the blood of hundreds of millions on his hands
ought to be able to figure this out.
No way people would believe his narrative if it wasn’t true ? Good God !
How fucking naive can you be ? People believe all sorts of shit
that isn’t true, starting with “God” !
I’m tired of having to reinvent the wheel with you every day.
You are the stupidest leftie I’ve ever met.
Why do you carry on here ? Are you trying to convince me or
YOURSELF ?
The lady doth protest too much.
Goodbye, asshole.
Posted by blondemike on Dec 28, 2006 at 5:31 PM shitcago is scared, blondie. ignore the scumbucket. his type invent atrocities faster than you can debunk them. let him stew in his juices. his girlfriends all left him for gentile guys, they always do, all he has to offer is his unrequited suffering and endless guilt over largely imaginary wrongs by others. any group that claims 6,000 years of continuous suffering and everything is always the other tribe’s fault is hopelessly paranoid. misery loves company, don’t give this bird any.
Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:51 AM The Nazis kept meticulous records of deportations and most were recovered intact. The testimony of SS General Otto Ohlendorf was direct and forthright and resulted in a sentence of death. His defense was he was following a superiors orders. The documentation from the nine sets of trials is available online
http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/einsatz.html
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/NurembergMajorTranscr ript.htmlAnti-semitic morons…..Hitler killed Jews, Seventh Day Adventists, homosexuals, the handicapped, Ukrainians, Poles, and any German who refused to follow the Nazi party line.
How do you fake a boxcar with 6 tons of gold fillings?
Posted by texasindependent on Dec 29, 2006 at 4:22 AM BM is a criminal is his stalwart defense of Nazi Germany which can be found all over the various ITT threads and his denial of the Holocaust which has been proven over and again with documents, pictures, testimony of both perpetrators, victims, and witness, as well as the official archival materials of every government involved in the genocide. That BM decides to close his eyes to this shows the truth of that old biblical wisdom, “there are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.” I have told him time and again that the “sources” he holds up are not scholarly and have had their core claims debunked repeatedly on such highly detailed websites as http//www.hdot.com and the nezkor project. He simply dismisses all legitimate holocaust scholarship a Jewish propaganda, communist inspired, and Zionist and statist frauds who are enemies of the people and proponents of “one world government.” BM has also gone on to defend the Nazis as having been unfairly vilified by the allies “who have the blood of hundreds of millions on their hands” and who in any case provoked the Germans who by the way were not a totalitarian government during the 1930s and 40s according to BM. BM is a big fan of Noontide Press founded in 1966 by the late fascist egotist and racist Robert Parker Yockey and WIllis Carto of the Liberty Lobby who declared that the US Congress was itself “Occupied territory” by the ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government) as he would call it. BM has been a great force for racism and anti-semitism on this blog. I believe that just because this person is worthy of deep sympathy due to mental illness and personal tragedy that it doesn’t entitle him to be bigoted and malign others. I would also like to know why the people that run the ITT don’t step forward and take action. I have sent a complaint to the Publisher. I’ve yet to hear back. If they are such great progressives why do they allow such abuse and racism on their weblogs. This is both ignorant and irresponsible. It is not a question of kowtowing to certain influential people but common decency. It also has a lot to do with holding up ethical, discourse quality, and political standards.
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 29, 2006 at 8:52 AM shitcago, think blondie got bored with your act. those “proofs” of the shoah hoax have been disproved totally by the sources he referred you to. all you can do is bitch, curse, moan and whine. should let you know that it is not “criminal” to disagree with you. i read all the threads here and i don’t even see a defense of national socialism unlike your extreme holocaust denial on the 200 hundred million victims of communism in the twentieth century. i see a reasoned debunking of hoary distortions. blondie did reply to your sources and said he was familiar with al of them but that they were the subject of rebuttal by the revisionists and your only response has been open libel.
even pressac, the leading french anti-revisionist, now concedes that the
jewish death toll at auschwitz-birkenau complex was 730,000. originally the soviet commies claimed four million jews, then dropped it 1.25 million jews, then 900, 000 jews and now 730,000 jews. final figure will probably be 60,000 jews. we all agree that is 60,000 too many but then what about the other 60 million killed in ww2 ? what about the jewish run nkvd, kgb, et al, killing tens of millions of russians during the 20s, 30s, and 40s ? why isn’t that on holocaust tally sheet ? your tactic of trying to deny the message by impugning the messenger is a classic
logical fallcy first enunciated by the greek aristotle at a time when the ancient hebes were bare butted savages in palestine exterminating all the other tribes, philistines, assyrians, phoenicians, canaanites, babylonians, etc.
the jewish psychiatrist mental illness racket has long been exposed as
a hoax by breggin, szasz and others. commies like you did put dissidents in soviet psychiatric prisons but you can’t do it here and that really gets your goat little man, doesn’t it ?
nobody gives a hoot about carto, yockey or liberty lobby and as the jew
jeff blankfort demonstrated when he demolished chomsky on the aipac issue. congress is israeli occupied territory, aipac can get 400 reps and 95 senators to sign any petition for israel at any time. this makes the so-called protocols look like the understatement of the century.
Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 6:18 PM texas, there are no records of any holocaust by the nazis and all of their detailed records prove the opposite of what the shoah business people claim. nor were there 6 million tons of gold fillings. you need to look at the ihr.org site which specifically and in documented detail rebuts these propositions. idiots are fond of the number 6, 6 million jews, 6 thousand years of persecution, 6 billion jews killed in old testament, etc. the other groups were not persecuted to anywhere near the extent of the jews except the gypsies who were persecuted because they are thieves and criminals and still are but they were not exterminated. nor did hitler kill all germans who did not follow the party line. nor was there any mass extermination of gays, they were outlawed true but not exterminated. there was a euthanasia of some 30,000 severely handicapped people before ww2, we are talking about people who would be mercy killed today because of severe deformity but the catholics raised hell and they had to stop the program. you read one side of a story from discredited sources with vested interests in a big propaganda lie and then you label as “morons” who have taken a more thoughtful approach.
Pot, scrub thyself.
Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 6:29 PM shitcago, it’s a measure of your intellectual incompetence that you have to call for censorship, the same kind of stalinist mentality that put irving in jail in austria. you are the lowest of the low and i hope you get a terrible case of hemorrhoids driving your rattle trap cab around sickcago all day, talk about a mudpeople city.
ukrainians and poles were killed in far greater numbers by the soviets, texas moron and the only ones killed by the germans were partisans on
stalin’s side, see Stalin’s War. the adventists and quakers were not persecuted as such in germany before the war nor were they exterminated during the war, where do you get this garbage ? lbj library ? your the dumb rightist on the board to match up with all the dumb leftists here. by the way, shitcago, you brought up the subject to begin with in a half-assed attack on a reasoned response of blondie to scorp’s idiotic assertion that crystal night was the beginning of the hollow cause. bet your sorry you did !
the very fact that revisionists are jailed in many countries proves the holocaust is a big lie that can only be protected by brute force. what a bunch of lowlife medieval bastards you people are. again this makes the so-called protocols look like the understatement of the century. yeah, i know they are a forgery but of what ? if the czarist secret police “forged” them then what what are they a forgery of ? maybe they are just a fraud, ok, but why are they termed a “forgery’” ? oh, enlighten
us little cabbie turd.
Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 6:43 PM shitcago, your blatant dishonesty consists in only reading alleged “rebuttals” of arguments you have never read first hand. what would anyone think of a judge who’d only listen to one side of a case and outlaw the other side through regular prison or psychiatric prison ? the absolute contempt that you have for the readers of this board is astounding and one can only hope it is misplaced. you appear to be having a nervous breakdown before our eyes upon hearing the “bad” news that possibly 4-5 million jews were not killed as everyone had previously thought. given your blatant, quite personal attacks how do you expect any sane person to have any respect for you ? your whole attempt is to try to intimidate people through your bilious manufactured moral outrage and when you fail you are a little boy portnoy reducing to pulling his pod. you’re a piece of shit and i’m ashamed of you ! decent, ethical debate is that which never disturbs your assumptions. and since you are a very weak, inadequate, impotent little man you need to have a big brother to shield you from unpleasant thoughts. how do you make it through the day ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 30, 2006 at 1:13 AM Hardesty you are a pathetic little creature. There is no one with an ounce of humanity that would believe the crap in those so called works of the Holocaust Denyers. They are motivated by hate. All of them are connected with neo-Nazi causes or anti-Jewish causes. Is this a coincidence. Lipstadt’s victory proved that these people all had no scientific or historic evidence, Rudolph Hess willingly testified and wrote a book detailing everything that is claimed about Auschwitz. The cremation/gassing capacity was enormous especially when you consider how much work was gleaned from millions of prisoners and how emaciated they were at the time of gassing and cremation. It is easy to believe that at least 2 million people perished at Auschwitz alone, most by gassing.
People like you should be deported because of your disrespect not only for the millions of dead but for the hundreds of thousands of US troops killed and maimed fighting fascism only to have your cowardly little wormy ass talk up the Nazis and try to exhonerate them. Hardesty you are a pathetic little loser for whom I have no sympathy.
Leuchter doesn’t know much about gas chambers or HCN to make the silly claims that he made. He tried to say that the chambers had no ventilation systems before it was pointed out that they did. He tried to present the fabric samples as evidence of delousing before he was told that delousing takes much more HCN than its use for gassing humans which is relatively small. Hence the greater amount of residue on the delousing fabric. HCN is concentrated at 16,000 PPM for delousing and usually at time spans of 72 hours. For gassing 300PPM is sufficient for only 20 minutes. When presented with this explaination in court Leuchter replied he would know about the relative concentrations because he “never executed insects”, a strange reply for a so called expert in chemical engineering. It is even stranger that he claimed that HCN would have exploded because of the proximity of the Kremas to the gas chambers. This would be true if the concentrations used were 56,000PPM at which point the compound is highly flamable. Since only about 300-350 ppm were needed to gas several human beings at a time in a small enclosed area flamability and explosions were not an issue. In addition, cynide compounds were found on the grills of the ventilation systems of some of the gas chambers in the camps immediately after the war. This was documented at the Nuremburg trials. Though many of the gas chambers were destroyed by the Nazis in advance of Soviet liberation of the camps their ventilation systems remained sufficiently intact to be tested. Traces of the HCN compound were found when tested immediately after the war..
You are a dummy in addition to being a schmuck.
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Jan 2, 2007 at 6:39 AM shitcago, you are projecting again, all of your little boy portnoy scatological adjectives apply to yourself. rudolph hoess’s testimony is even discounted by raul hilberg, the dean of holocaust historians and no reputable historian whether revisionist or establishment believes it, hoess was the one who came up with the now totally discredited four million jews figure at auschwitz, the anti-revisionists like pressac have it down to 730,000 and that hoess was tortured in the extreme is not even controversial. you totally misrepresent what leuchter found out, his research proved the impossibility of gas chambers at auschwitz-birkenau and treblinka, belzec, etc. this is what happens when you only read the “rebuttal” of an argument with out reading the original argument. leuchter has forgotten more about gas chambers than you ever knew and he was the leading designer of them for the states that used them and some hemorrhoids face cab driver is going to claim that HE didn’t know his life work ! hundreds of thousands of us soldiers lost their lives to make the world safe for communism and zionism in palestine. not worth it, dude, hitler was never threat to us and no jews would have died if there had been no war but fdr and winnie the pooh had other ideas. lipstadt’s “victory” had ONLY to do with irving’s claim that he was libeled by being called a “denier.” nothing about the holohoax was proven at the trial, read the transcript, stupid, irving has it available to download at his site. the cremation capacity was nowhere near would it would have taken to incinerate hundreds of thousands of bodies much less millions, even the post-soviet poles sharply reduced the original crock figure of 4 down to 1 mil and now pressac has it at 730,000 and the revisionists have debunked his attempted proof of gas chambers. i’m betting 60,000 will be the final auschwitz figure.
how can citizens get deported for daring to disagree with an outlandishly distorted statistical fabrication ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 6:23 PM btw, shitcago, anyone who hides behind that moniker like you do, should be careful about calling other people “cowards.” you are a primo example of the prototypical hysterical jewish man which is why your women are marrying gentiles as fast as they can. assimilation has won out, dude, and that’s good news for all of us nonracists. and buster you do not project any humanity in your hate filled tirades. hardly anyone connected with holohoax revsionism is either anti-jewish or connected with national socialist causes, quite the contrary, the real nazis like tom metzger, were quite upset to learn that nowhere near six million jews actually died. you apparently are unfamiliar with linear reasoning or aristotelian logic because you are under the delusion that your reiteration of an unproven assertion becomes fact if reiterated enough times. no more, revisionism is winning. which is why jerks like you have to try to deport or imprison or kill revisionists. a person who is anti-jewish hates simply because they are jews, no revisionist does whom i have read and i’ve read most of them. if there are any who fit your label, they are the reverse mirror image of YOU.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 6:35 PM shitcago, at this point you need to either read the refutations of your opinions or shut the fuck up. so far two people here have challenged you on this and all you can do is namecall & advocate censorship or worse. i have no respect for you at all. now take your tired ass to another post.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 10:23 PM Lowlife,
I don’t know why so called “libertarians” would stand up for the worst form of dictatorial oppression the world has ever known, Nazi Fascism. I guess it just shows your natural allies are fascists. You really DO only care about the survival of capitalism and greed at the expense of most of humanity. You are all racist and hypocritical morons. No one ever bought your bullshit “racism of low expectations” line of crap. Minorities know that you “liberfascists” think of them as genetically inferior. You’ld also think that people who hold science in such a high regard as you claim you do would also understand that only physical charactoristics are inherited and not intelligence or anything else. I’ve never seen such hypocritical morons. Most of the libertarians I know are racist and anti-semitic even though they claim that prejudice is irrational and thus must be promoted by the state (quite an irrational leap of faith if I must say so myself) though they never further explain beyond their rigid tautology. They explain high Jewish achievement as a function of “natural Jewish clannishness and aggression” as per the libertarian doyan on such matters Kevin McDonald author of “The Culture of Critique.” The explain Black underacheivement as a function of, yep you guessed it, low cognitive ability.” Just as The Bell Curve boys, Charles Murray and tha other asshole whose name I can never recall (bet you know ‘em!) These same racist assholes never explain why the majority of welfare cases have always been white trash or why white trash underachieves so consistantly. Guess they’re only interested in race baiting.
Which brings me to my main point of this post. Jackoff or blondie or whatever you call yourself these days, your so called sources are not legit. I read through them nonetheless. Most of us have. They’re absurd!! You don’t get it!! No one pays any attention to these assholes because of how absurd they are to anyone with half a brain. Leuchter isn’t even considered a qualified source anymore and he’s been stripped of his credentials! He is know to have lost his credibility with the US penal system with whom he did business for years because of his corrupt practices and dubious judgement. The phoney “Leuchter Report” only reenforced the negative image everyone already had of him!!
Other claims about the logistical and scientific impossibility of the holocaust have been debunked many times with explainations and photographs. Rudolph Hess testified at Nuremberg and was never tortured. No proof has ever been offered that he was and he certainly wasn’t tortured into writing the two books where he detailed the workings of Auschwitz. You simply believe in the Holocaust Denyers nonesense because of your agenda. You have expressed hatred for Jews (your intellectual superiors) and you support the neo-Nazi agenda of defeating both Israel and the diaspora communities. This is to bad.
Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Jan 4, 2007 at 4:34 PM A sure sign of a very bad writer is excess verbiage and a childish desire to have the last word. You have never shown or proven or demonstrated any debunking of the revisionist argument. You just keep reiterating your arguable (to put it mildly) assertions. As far Nazi Germany goes they were bad but nothing compared to Slalinist Russia, Maoist China, Pol Pot Cambodia or even the US backed rightist dictatorships in Latin America and Indonesia. I have seen no evidence of Jewish superiority coming from you or Lipstadt or Wiesenthal, etc. Again, your robotic reiteration of your idiot assertions that all revisionists hate Jews and are national socialists proves nothing except your deranged mental state. This has nothing to do with libertarianism or capitalism so why even bring up these nonsequiturs ? You’re statement that “most of us” have read the revisionist sources is just a baldfaced lie. You have never read original revisionist arguments but only smears of same.
I have read parts of two of the three McDonald works and they seem sane as well as scholarly. Have also read other pieces of his in The Occidental Quarterly. Again controversial but well reasoned. Rudolf Hoess’s torture is well documented even by nonrevisionist historians like Raul Hilberg, the dean of holocaust historians. Both his 4 million figures and outlandish descriptions of impossible events at Auschwitz have been discredited, again even by establishment historians. And how would you KNOW whether he’d been tortured or not ? You simply believe what you want to believe and that’s the total sum of your nonargument. Reminds me of the current hysterical anti-Carter campaign by Alan Dirtbagowitz and the ADL. You really think exposing this hoax will destroy Israel and the diaspora ?
Show me the explanations and the photographs which “prove” the holocaust and I’ll show you where to go for the debunking of same.
The great majority of welfare cases and underachievers are black, not white, Murray’s co-author was Jewish (now deceased.) You apparently can’t discuss The Bell Curve any more rationally than you can holocaust revisionism. Thank god the first Mayor Daley was able to preserve the
white middle class in Chicago in contrast with many other US cities.
Leucter’s “stripping” was strictly political, it had nothing to do with the merits of his thesis.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 4, 2007 at 6:20 PM Go to http://vho.org/dl/EN and you can download for free the 455 page Rudolf Report which updates Leuchter and is much more comprehensive. Even the reviewer at the Anne Frank Foundation in 1995 admitted that the scientific analyses were perfect though they didn’t endorse the book. Rudolf is young German chemist, probably around 40 now, who is in prison in Germany for “denial.” But he has a great website headquartered in Chicago called Castle Hill Publishers and he has at least 15 major books that you can either buy or download.
He endorses Leuchter but finds some problems and goes way beyond him. So readers who are interested can check it out. Those like the cabbie above can stew in their own juices. They are totally close minded and are not open to reason or persuasion. But for those of you who are there are some great refs at the above site.
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