On September 28, the lights went out in Reykjavik—for a publicity stunt to kick off the start of the annual international film festival. Although it was cloudy that night, and the stars did not shine down on the city, the romance of the return to the natural state for 30 minutes should have been a great pleasure to the man whose… return to article
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Reader Comments (66)Page 1 of 1 pagesAre we suppose to just let all these resources lie fallow in the ground so some government bureaucrats can preserve their legal monolopy
of force in perpetuity ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 8, 2007 at 8:33 PM Misspelled monopoly above. Sorry. Don’t post when you’re tired.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 8, 2007 at 10:15 PM Unless you are from Iceland, who is the “we” in “are we suppose [sic] to just let all these resources lie fallow . . . .” And because I’m not as smart and well read as you HJ, how does “allowing resources to lie fallow in the ground” help an Icelander bureaucrat “preserve their legal monopoly of force in perpetuity?”
Now I will grant that maybe I’m not appreciating your intricate sense of tiing and humor, so maybe you would be willing to lower yourself to my level and explain?
Of course you’ll probably just insult me and finish of with some of you well timed bathroom humor zingers, but I thought it was worth hearing out the explanation for your post.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 8, 2007 at 11:47 PM Oops! Typo in second paragraph “tiing” should be “timing.”
Posted by rrheard on Jan 8, 2007 at 11:48 PM Oops! Typo in third paragraph “of” should be “off.” Sorry maybe I shouldn’t post in response to HJ because his lack of edits seem to be contagious. Uh oh, I probably just made myself a target for more bathroom jokes from HJ.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 9, 2007 at 1:06 AM Who said that I had to be from Iceland to comment on their resources ? It’s one world and I can comment on any area I so choose. My point is that if it wasn’t for good white,western capitalists the oil & gold & bauxite & tin & diamonds would still be in the ground while the oh so precious people of color would be worshipping their weather gods. I understand Icelanders are white but my general point here holds. It helps perpetuate the bureaucrats who produce nothing if they are given latitude to eliminate producers. I would think that point would be obvious even to you. But I was assuming too much. Speaking of bathrooms I notice that you like to follow me around a lot even though you never have anything interesting to say and can only produce childish insults. To paraphrase Eddie Murphy, you’re not into this homo crap, are you ? Frankly you’re not my type anyway.
I only had one very small typo, you’ve just had two now and you blame them on me.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 9, 2007 at 1:13 AM HJ, why are you so angry? I’m sure I could have inferred from your Randian beliefs that Icelanders themselves shouldn’t have anymore say over the uses their natural resources should be put to than say the American public should about their own. Of course you would have insulted me for putting words in your mouth or inferring the obvious. Of course you can comment on anything you want.
It is interesting to me that you seem to be saying, in true Randian fashion, that the only good use for a natural resource is a consumptive one and prefereably one that is exploited and profitted on by the capitalist to his/her singular benefit (or maybe his/her and his/her shareholders). As far as gold, oil, bauxite, and diamond exploitation or production goes I thought the article you posted on concerned hydroelectric power generation and its effect on the land and its ability to empower “bureacratic monopolies on force.”
Interesting to me how Randians, like you, start from the premise that everything produced by capitalists was earned through individual intelligence and hard work never benefitting from things like subsidies, undervalued land grants, outright theft of land/resources, rigged transfers of wealth through the gamed political and economic systems in whatever nation-state the “self-made” capitalist may roam. Never the result of a tax-payer funded legal system that allows them recourse and protection over “their” property “rights.”
Randian’s are sort of selective intellectuals and the worst sort of righty utopians. Only if there were no rules, no advantages and everybody starts with zero in the state of nature would we see the true results of your economic and socially darwinian delusional experiment. I don’t think even you would like the world if the strongest best armed and most violent were allowed to take from whomever they please—-oh wait a minute that is America. Dang it HJ you got me again. Best of luck to you with your potty training.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 9, 2007 at 2:50 AM By people owning their own resources you really mean government bureaucrats controlling the resources and doling them to their political favorites. Yes, resources ARE for consumption ! Brilliant, Einstein. What else would they be for ? Where did you learn the rules of grammar ? “Randian’s” You don’t even know where to put the apostrophe.
Not all capitalists are tied in with the state, those who are are the Pull Peddlers as Rand aptly labeled them. What’s going on with your potty training ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 9, 2007 at 7:08 PM Resources are only for consumption huh? How about “resources” for mutual public enjoyment/consumption as decided through the outcomes of the political process?
Let’s take fish for example. Cabo San Lucas and Hawaii have incredible fisheries. Arguably a depletable/renewable public natural resource that belongs to whom? I would say collectively to the people of Mexico and the United States respectively. How it should be consumed or managed and who should decide in what degree are the big questions.
You, contrarily, would say that the individual capitalist who has the wherewithall and capital to exploit this public resource to its finite limit for his/her individual benefit (and thus benefit the collective good through the workings of Adam Smith’s “invisible hand”) should decide in his/her infinite wisdom what the appopriate degree of use and/or exploitation is.
Sadly our worldviews are opposed. Yours is the idiotic one BTW fueled by a superficial reading of an amphetamine junkies’ manic delusions.
You think the individual capitalist exploiting this resource is the best most efficient use of a public good.I on the other hand think that public comment on use yields a better result. Taking CSL as an example, enlightened people found that by preserving the fishery by limiting commercial harvests they created significantly more value through tourism and sport fishing. They created a market that arguably benefits more people directly and indirectly than would a straight commercial harvest for consumptive purposes. So do tell HJ, if I’m stating a fact, am I lying?
Interesting to me that the absolute property rights folks like Randians never seem to admit that their absolutist laissez faire theories are simply that—theories. In the real world there are only “tensions” and “balances” to be struck in any endeavor and it is and always will be within the realm of the political.
You perceive that as bad and cling to the idea that truly free markets and individualism are the only salvation and counterweight to the political. I on the other hand recognize the need for a balance to be struck between the individual and the collective good and a dialogue as to the values to be imposed in striking that working balance. You tend, like all narcissists, to believe each person pursuing his unfettered individual interest can yield the common good. Not likely, but that is only my humble opinion. Of course I am not the great scholar, grammarian, enlightened thinker and second hand disseminator of information that you are.
BTW stop projecting your anal fixation on me. Please.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:10 PM Privatization is the best way to guarantee there will not be an overuse of a given resource. It was govt leased lands that were the subject of the greatest clear cutting in the West. A private timber company wants to remain in business longer range. The tragedy of the commons is precisely caused by the freeloader socialist mentality that you exemplify in spades. The political process is the coercive process where one group declares itself to be the public and disenfranchises all others from use. Your assumption that all resources belong collectively to everyone is a wacko communist idea. By what right ? They belong to whomever mixes their labor and/or money to develop them. There are no public waters or airwaves or anything else and we can eliminate all pollution & externalities problems by charging people the market worth of everything. The only thing you can’t on the free market is other people but you can rent their labor. Everything else you can buy, well, maybe not romantic love, which is not a subject of competition but of purely personal value preference. Actually we could get crime under control by charging known criminals a prohibitive fee to leave their driveways. And once the streets are privatized the homeless are trepassers and bingo ! another intractable problem solved.
Why are you continuing to bring up you’re bowels issues here ? See a
proctologist, please ! Redhorse uses Prep H (actually he sniffs it.)
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 9, 2007 at 11:21 PM Dude. Nice non sequitur logic. Clear cutting was DUE TO the fact governments leased public land. Sorry it doesn’t follow. Clear cutting occurred because there was no value other than economic efficiency at play, which is consistent with your wacky worldview. And assuming you have a formal education (which I don’t assume you do) and can read comments with precision I never made the statement that ALL things are or should be public goods.
Here is one for you. All property rights flow from the sovereign—a legal concept not an economic one. So at some initial point as is evidenced at every point in history, the sovereign (whether that be a man, woman or the people in our case) gave land grants to others to exploit on the sovereign’s behalf.
And just so you know your a complete idiot you cannot “cure all pollution and externalities” simply by attaching a price tag. NUMBER ONE REASON you can’t is the economic problem of valuation. And the air we breathe, and the water we drink , among other things, are public goods and DO belong to everyone because noone created them through a mixture of their capital and labor.
BTW your labor/capital—John Locke theory—basis of ownership of all things is but one of many. That you believe it is intrinsically superior to ownership via discovery/conquest/capture, occupancy theory/first in time, or labor accession theory is simply your narrow opinion. Of course we have a right to what we produce but you didn’t produce land, or the sea, or air or anything on or in them which occur naturally. So it follows that any rights you assert to the earth’s bounty necessarily follow from the power of the sovereign . . . in this case the collective will of the American people.
So in summation, knucklehead, “individual property rights depend first on state power, BECAUSE PROPERTY MEANS THAT THE SOVEREIGN STATE STANDS BEHIND THE OWNERS’ ASSERTIONS OF RIGHT i.e. you, Hawaii Jack, have no inherent right except the immediate power to hold onto whatever it is you produce from somebody taking it from you. Given your soft Hawaiin lifestyle my guess is you couldn’t hold onto much by shear force (if others wanted it) without the law and its coercive authority to back you.
Property concepts are inescapably relational i.e. ownership is power over person, not merely things. The ordering choices we make about our relationships to each other, land, and things, are simply that—choices. Choices are mere exercises of power and ideology, justified in terms that invariably beg central questions. Your problem, other than being an idiot, is you don’t even want to discuss the central questions these relationships beg. You simply are a narcissist ideologue who is convinced of the rightness of his rigid and inflexible world view.
NEWS FLASH FOR THE DIMBULB HAWAII JACK politics and its end product—THE LAW (except maybe in a wacko neo-con form) is not about a coercive majority to the exclusion of all others. Our system is supposed to be predicated on foundational principles, adaptability, and on the protection of minority rights despite one group being in power. You know what, I’ll do you a favor by giving up on you because you are basically a moron who will never get it.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 10, 2007 at 3:04 AM heard, private property came long before state power. Read For A New Liberty and The Ethics Of Liberty by Murray N. Rothbard. For starters. Government by DEFINITION is a coercive monopoly, but it’s true that the admiralty law, merchant law, much of the common law was developed
privately, see Uncle Sam, The Monopoly Man by William Woolridge. Just because you ASSert air, water, forests, etc., are public goods doesn’t make it so. Like everything else in nature they can be transformed by mental & physical labor by SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS for new uses, the development of the radio airwaves is an example, it was not done by the “public” a meaningless abstraction in any case, and it is not owned by the public. The oceans can and will be privately farmed and that will end the tragedy of the commons by the most fair form of resource rationing, the consumer market. If you knew anything about economics or running a business you would know that all businesses want to stay in business and that depends on not depleting the resources without replacing them. The clearcutting in the west is the result of government leasing, there is no economic incentive to conserve resources for future use & PROFIT because the govt gets
back the resource, look at the USSR, Poland and China for good examples of socialist devastation of all resources. Oh, I guess Chomsky and Galbraith forget to mention this…...........
We can transform the land, the air, the waves, the oceans, ALL the material of nature SO LOCKE’S PRINCIPLE APPLIES UNIVERSALLY. It wasn’t something I made up last night.
Our system is solely based on individual rights, NOT minority rights OR majority rights. ONLY INDIVIDUALS EXIST AS RAND AND THATCHER CORRECTLY NOTED. SOCIETY IS A MENTAL ABSTRACTION, NOT AN ENTITY. See the massive 11 by 17 1,000 book titled Capitalism by Dr. George Reisman for all further details. Sorry, Robbie, but there are no pitchers to look at therein, only text. We can put an economic price tag on everything including the worthless value of your existence. So little boy heard is going to take his marbles and go home….......
The environmental movement is the biggest Commie fraud ever perpetrated, the last stand of the Reds pretending to be Greens. People are catching on though. The whole earth is solidly packed with resources, we’ll never run out. We can have underground cities, under ocean cities and skyscrapers that reach to the heavens. The future will be glorious beyond belief.
Boo hoo hoo. PS Is the Prep H starting to work ? Only use it INSIDE your anus, it
doesn’t cure crotch rot or jock itch. Ever notice that heard rhymes with turd ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 10, 2007 at 5:39 PM Hey HJ,
You really are delusional and your revisionist world history continues to annoy me. Lay off the Dr. Reisman and Ayn Rand drivel and maybe you’ll catch a clue.
“private property came long before state power”—yeah where. Egypt, Ancient Rome, Greece, Europe, Persia . . . (didn’t see any of the serfs or slaves asserting their individual ownership rights over land in these periods but did see the sovereign asserting its right of divine ownership and its capacity to grant rights to others for the sovereign’s benefit).
Here is a quote “As the right of society, to prescribe those rules by which property may be acquired and preserved is not, and cannot be drawn into question; as the title to lands, especially, is and must be admitted to depend entirely on the law of the nation in which they lie;”
—Chief Justice MarshallAnd another “Property is not for seizing: far better God-given. For if a man does seize wealth by force of his hands, or appropriates it by means of words—the sort of thing that often happens when profit deludes men’s minds, and Shamelessness drives away Shame—the gods easily bring him low, and diminish that man’s house, and it is but a short time that prosperity attends him.”
—HesiodBTW “government” by definition is “the complex of political institutions, laws, and customs through which the function of governing is carried out.”
The tragedy of the commons? Oceans will be farmed and it will save the oceans? Sort of like it worked with whaling and the vast majority of consumable fish stocks today. So you suggest splitting up the ocean to whomever can afford to buy it and these capitalists can police it themselves, I assume without a taxpayer funded Navy or subsidy of any kind, and generate a profit that won’t lead to the same overconsumption that the current system does? Please once again for that someone, according to you, me, a person “without understanding of economics or running a business” how is it that your private ownership of everything internalizes the cost of every externality such that the price of your oh so important products is inclusive of the true costs of production?
“Business depends on wanting to stay in business and on not depleting resources without replacing them . . . ” Oh you mean like crude oil, gas and mineral extraction, phosphorous, fish stocks, whales, clean air and water . . . in case you didn’t notice Bechtel’s attempt to privatize water in Bolivia didn’t work out so well.
BTW merchant law, admiralty law, and common law ARE THE LAW i.e. again the law is derived as end product of some form of either divine right of sovereignty in ONE person or in the social compact between the masses and their elected officials which establishes the cultural and moral authority to bind us to the same rules and compels us not resort to self help when our “perceived” rights are infringed but rather submit to a third party (government) solution.
BTW the common law did not evolve privately. The English common law if we are being accurate is the end product of 1000’s of years of legal, religious and cultural evolution including, Code of Hammurabi, Laws of Urukagina, Laws of Eshnunna, Lipit-Ishtar Lawcode, Ancient Jewish Biblical Law, Babylonian Talmud, Greek and Athenian Law as written about by Plutarch, Drakon, and Solon, and Constantines’ Roman Codification project, and the Justinian Digests and Institutes and even a little Islamic law thrown in for good measure.
Listen Dickhead Jack, the only worthless existence here is yours and I again wish you a miserable death. May you rot in the dung filled hell of your own creation. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS YOU KNUCKLEDRAGGING NEANDERTHAL JAG OFF AND TRY READING AND COMPREHENDING SOMETHING OTHER THAN DR. REISMAN AND AYN RAND’S BIBLES. THERE ARE NO FREE MARKETS, THERE NEVER WILL BE, AND THERE WILL ONLY BE A DEBATE ABOUT THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE REGULATE ANY PARTICULAR ACTIVITY.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:00 PM Government by definition is a legal monopoly of force over a given geographical region. This is the standard textbook version which bears absolutely relation to your definition, which is really a wish and a prayer. If you are too scared to read Rand and Reisman that’s not my loss. They had private property in ancient Ireland long before they had a state, see Joseph Peden’s work in this area. Ergo for many other civilizations in Europe, Greece, etc. Egypt is a good example of Oriental Despotism
as the book of Karl Wittfogel of the same name documented. The type of collectivist-statist society that people like you wish to set up. On the origins of the state, see Francis Oppenheimer’s The State. There are free markets and in the future there will be even freer markets. Laissez-faire capitalism has never purely existed but to the extent that it has it is the cause of all prosperity and freedom that we have. See Murray Rothbard’s combined scholars’ edition of Man, Economy and State with Power & Market, order from the Ludwig Von Mises Institute or Amazon, Rothbard goes even further than Rand & Reisman into pure free market anarcho-capitalism where everything including police, defense, courts & jails are privately run. Get a glimpse of humankind’s
glorious future—————-with no politicians. The common law DID largely evolve privately as did the Merchant Law and the Admiralty Law but just check out the earlier refs that I was kind enough to give you. Bechtel is much better running water in Bolivia than the half-assed Commie savage whom the illiterates elected, a brainbrother of Castro & Chavez. The English common law did NOT derive from Hammurabi or the insane Talmud or the Islamic nut code or most of the other sources you mention. Finally in regard to your final screaming paragraph I suggest that you seek medical help for your severe smegma condition. Try washing your genital area more conscientiously and thoroughly. Sorry your girlfriend left you because of this and other crotch area rot but maybe
you’ll fare better with your own kind in the future. Try to work on the great excess verbiage of your
genuinely poor writing style. Like all very bad writers you take up way too much space to say quite
little.
Cheers, bro !
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:45 PM Hey douche nozzle HJ, it is interesting that my definition is a quote from Webster’s which is not to say there aren’t others. As I told you before I’ve read all of the methamphetamine’s queens works and take them for what they are—delusional and overwritten.
The only one that needs a lesson in world history, is you, you anal fixated delusional racist troll. BTW why are you fixated on the anus and my genitalia in particular? Are you transgender possibly midway between man and woman. I’m sorry for you confusion and the attendant social persecution that accompanies such an unfortunate plight. However, please don’t take it out on me.
My loving and very compassionate wife would ask whether or not you have a significant other. Goats and other farm animals don’t count neither does a hollowed out pineapple or your hand. This is probably the root of your projection and anger—too great a fixation on your undersized genitalia and others relatively larger genitalia coupled with a profound lack of intimacy with and empathy for other human beings.
You are not my bro, and I wouldn’t share a drink nor toast with you if you were the last bigot on an unpopulated planet. You are probably a drunk which might explain some of your misguided anger and inability to comprehend anything that doesn’t comport with your stunted worldview. If we should ever meet my advice to you is to head for the other side of the street or you might get the old fashioned liberal bitch slap reserved solely for conservative/libertarian racist bitches like you.
How is that Confederate flag holding up there howlie boy? Better hope the indiginous Hawaiians don’t see it or you could be in for a good old fashioned Hawaiian ass kicking.
Ancient Ireland huh. Wow the precursor of western civilization. Little did I know. Thanks for enlightening me. Being critical of writing style implies having one, which you don’t. Critical writing involves actually doing research that includes contrary arguments and points of view—a quality which your typed vomit lacks. Where exactly in the dictionary is the word “brainbrother?” BTW Bechtel was thrown out of Bolivia so I guess we’ll never know who is the better steward of water.
Please don’t attempt to lecture me on the evolution of the law unless you have at minimum a JD (which I do), LLM, or a PhD in legal history which I’m sure you don’t because that would involve reading someone other than one of the “free market prophets.”
Your about one step away from being a kind of L. Ron Hubbard follower in your devotion to Rand and Reisman. Good luck getting wider traction with nutty ideology. Scientologists are like Ayn Randians who are like racists—afraid of life, afraid to share, afraid to come out of the closet and be accepted for who they are. You make me sad that you are so conflicted and that it manifests as hate, idolotry and narcissism.BTW you’ve repeated more than once how many pages Dr. Reisman’s book has. Is that how you evaluate quality and content—number of pages? No wonder you think Ayn Rand is the gospel.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:49 PM rr, some imbecile is posting under you’re name. I realize that you’re previous postings were quite short in the cognitive department but this one above is absolutely unintelligible. BTW, bro, we should let the mongoloid above who posted under your not so good name, know that Confederate flags are all over Oahu, we just elected a conservative Republican and the anti-haole sentiment has dissipated, blacks are the ones the natives kick ass over now and we now a plurality of haoles. So you yourself would not be welcome here and I think it’s terrible but your group’s rep precedes you. I think it might Redhorse who impersonated you above. Again, you’ll find a new girlfriend eventually if you can just deal with that smeg issue…....Give me another high five, bro !
PS Don’t let that 1,000 plus page size scare you off, Dr. Reisman does have a reading guide and it might be good for you to read a real book without dem pitchers…...
PPS You will notice that punk who impersonated you threatened but won’t give his name and address or what street I can find his punk ass on….........of course he’s a punk and regularly bends over for a cig during his weekends at the county jail. I LOVE beating punk asses like that little fruiter.
See if you can find his real identity for me. Probably is Redhorse, have challenged that jive ass to
a duel at least twice. But like all liberals he’s a coward.
PPS again, Just realized this impersonator punk above you got into higher reducation under affirmative action wherein universities are letting baboons like the late doper Huey P. Newton in
to try to boost quotas. Now this may be a key to finding our little “people of colored” wannabe
attorney above. Contact you’re commie friends in academe and ask if they recall an especially retarded negroid mongoloid who was admitted in the last five years. That will narrow it down to at least a few mil of these stinky turds and we can go from there.
Best to you, bro, give TWO high fives this time, and drinks on me !
Manichevitz, right ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:58 PM You really are the most vile person I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter. Oahu’s flying of confederate flags surely must do wonders for the tourism industry. Another of you infantile lies? Again please don’t ask that I touch your diseased body. 1000 pages would never scare me and neither do your assinine views.
I am tiring of this base level of discourse. Continuing to trade insults with you is a waste of time so I will leave you to your mental and physical masturbations at the keyboard. Again I wish you only the worst and hope that your overt racism and delusional worldview contributes to your personal, spiritual and economic demise. The world will be a better place without you and your ilk.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 11, 2007 at 12:08 AM Didn’t see your edit douche bag. BTW I’m white and I gained admission to law school the same way 99% of people of any color do—competitively. As to factoring in race in admissions, I certainly have no problem with creating an opportunity for an equally qualified minority applicant under affirmative action policies. This isn’t out of collective guilt but you and those who predeceased you of the racist stripe did so much damage to african americans and others that extending the hand of opportunity is the least of my concerns.
I would give you my address but you are just stupid enough to show up at my door and get yourself shot on my front porch which would be very bad for a member in good standing with the bar.
Again why do you know so much about jail and the anus? Your projection is truly boring and infantile. Isn’t surf just about up? Isn’t it time for you to get drunk, smoke a blunt, hang ten and then go to your transgender support group meeting? Don’t forget the SPF 30 lotion because it helps your racist bretheren’s dick slide more smoothly into and out of your ass of which I’m sure you are aware. Better hope the government subsidizes your AIDS cocktail because my bet is that a surfing loser racist transgender dolt doesn’t have health insurance unless his parents are paying for it. BTW FUCK OFF.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 11, 2007 at 12:37 AM rr, looks like the same idiot is posting under your moniker again !
Any leads ? I think he said his real name was douche bag or was he talking about his mama again ? He offered to SUCK ME off too.
Well, he appears to be of the lavender persuasion, no real surprise and of course is too cowardly to give his address…................Those match box law schools do have special programs, I hear.
Now he claims to be a WHIGGER, ask Senator Bobby Byrd what that stands for, I hate racist vulgarity myself. And the little dude or dudess (?) seems to be very frustrated at the regular intellectual pummelings that he/she receives from the Objectivist/Libertarian Right….........poor
little thing. I believe he/she also wrote they were transgender too ! Wow. Pre or Post-Op ? Apparently the 1,000 pages do scare the living crap out of him/her/it ?
This is fun ! Not since coon hunting season in the old days back in Florida have I had so much fun ! Keep them coming, rr impersonator and try not to get your (unwashed ?) panties in a bunch…........................I’ll consider sex if you have a certificate clearance from your local health
dept and IF you are of legal age, which appears doubtful from these juvenile outbursts…....but I like ‘em young too (over 18 only.)
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 12:51 AM Florida . . . “coon hunting” . . . like I said bigot, fuck off. The only one getting pummeled here is you. You hate racist rhetoric? Maybe you should peruse your past posts because your selective memory has failed you yet again. BTW I graduated from an accredited law school in the top 50 in this country. My guess is you didn’t graduate from any school anywhere like most Florida bigots. BTW in another 40 years or so your flat bug infested home state will be under water thanks to “free market ideology.” Of course you could care less because bigots can generally find a home under the nearest rock or in the nearest publicly funded sewer system.
Again fair warning bigot fuck wad—I’m not afraid of you, I just don’t like you and your kind and if you come anywhere near me or mine you will regret ever being squeezed out of your mother’s racist vagina or should I say out of your unknown father’s crank whore’s cunt. Nice title for your life story: Hawaii Jack a Florida Hillbilly Bigot—The Untold Story of Repressed Homosexuality and Rage. Hillbilly is of course an oxymoron concerning Florida because its topography is as flat as your dialogue.
BTW how is that mullet haircut and John Deere tractor hat working out for you in Hawaii? Probably goes real well with the whole shitkicker look you cultivate. Do they make swimsuits consistent with hillbilly fashion sense or do you just wear a banana hammock to attract your man lovers. Oh maybe you prefer the shaved head of your white supremacist brothers. Not that I could care less about your sexual preferences, that seems to be your issue but when that self-loathing is turned outward subjecting others to its manifestations then it becomes everyones problem. Nighty night Hitler. Next you’ll be denying the Holocaust. I’d call you a retard but that would be insulting to all people with legitimate learning disabilities. Your parents better keep up your health insurance premiums because I’m sure the local proctologist will be getting a loyal client.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 11, 2007 at 1:41 AM Oh my, what a tantrum ! Give me your real name and address and I’ll personally get right in your face, pussy panties ! Again, I challenge you, you are a physical and intellectual coward.
If you visit the tax revolt and waiters threads you will be see that I am a very well informed holocaust revisionist and have wiped shitcago cabbie on the subject repeatedly.
I’ve known many a lowlife asshole who graduated from law school and that includes the very top ones like Harvard. I’m unimpressed. You’re a typical liberal loser who goes apeshit when he loses the argument and you lose every time. You obviously have some serious sexual hangups and if I
believed in the absurd concept of “mental illness” you’d be a walking DSM category but the great libertarian Thomas Szasz has exposed that as a bigger hoax than the “holocaust.” I’m coming
after you on every thread I see you on like a dog on shit…........................Coons aren’t racist, they are
lovely animals. You racism is showing again.
So let’s rock and roll, punk ! I’ll get right next to you and your kind any time I feel like it and you can’t
do a thing about it.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 2:17 AM You wouldn’t recognize a losing argument if it hit you in the face and everyone in the room said you were wrong—typical delusional bigot. Denying the holocaust—classic.
Question is are you challenging me or threatening me? If you are threatening, which is all deluded bigots can do (maybe hide behind the occassional bush with a high powered rifle—would that qualify as cowardly), please read up thread my fair warning. As for cowards that seems a particularly apt description of you what with your “widely” held belief system. Maybe you should change your name from Hawaii Jack to Leonardo DaVinci—as in a 15th century homosexual because your views and sexuality tend to be skewed decidedly backwards.
The great Ayn Rand and the great libertarian Thomas Szasz and all your other “greats” are apparently only great to you, you deluded cockroach or would that be palmetto bug? Of course the mentally ill rarely “believe” in mental illness, that is how encompassing and real their delusions are to them.
Like I’ve stated repeatedly above, your fixation with assholes, feces, and your mother’s smelly vagina only serve to further marginalize your views. And don’t claim you’ve known a lot of anybody, because 10 minutes of your views in mixed company or a business meeting and you would be shown the door so my guess is your a liar (as in you disguise your true self in public for fear that your backward viewpoint will preclude you from making money in a civilized world) as you have money for an internet connection unless of course your at a publicly funded library.
Again please don’t mischaracterize my posts as tantrums when in fact they are insults lobbed specifically at you and your racist muckraking cracker neanderthal posts. I guess thank god for us commie lawyers that make sure in this country you can post whatever type of hateful drivel you choose.
You haven’t won an argument that I’ve followed yet, but that is only MHO.
Fuck off.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 11, 2007 at 2:58 AM Look, punk, put up or shut up. I’m tired of repeating everything many times to you because you are genuinely stupid egg. If you follow my debate with the Shitcago Cab moron over on the other threads you’ll recognize a losing argument alright and it wasn’t mine. You’re a typical piece of shit product of the government brainwashing system aka the “public schools” unable to reason or to think outside the narrow ideological box you were brainwashed in. Ayn Rand has sold in the tens of millions and is as widely revered as denounced by people like you. Thomas Szasz is a highly respected psychiatrist and psychoanalyst and cogent critic of same.
I AM VERY SORRY THAT YOUR WIFE HAS A SMELLY VAGINA AND THAT YOUR MOTHER HAS A SMELLY VAGINA, R R HEARD.
But is that really appropriate to bring up here ?
I use my real first name but you hurl insults behind a pseudonym so who are you to call anyone else cowardly ? I regularly present my views in mixed company and at the very large corporation of which I am a top executive. No one has ever shown me the door. Nor would they be around to talk about it if they tried.
Your postings ARE A JUVENILE DELINQUENT’S TANTRUM.
Now if I have to contact your parents to administer another spanking to your scrawny little tush I will do so.
In regard to your final sentence, MAKE ME.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 5:38 PM “I regularly present my views in mixed company and at the very large corporation of which I am a top executive. “
Jack - you are funny! And, i am sure, very important indeed! :)
Posted by wolf on Jan 11, 2007 at 8:54 PM Top of executive of what “very large” corporation—Bigot Dumbasses Inc. Threats, lies, intimidation and BS are all you have to offer the world Mr. Dimbulb so I find it hard to believe you actually hold a job.
What does your company sell—poisons, hate or both or is it traditional scams like real estate investment seminars. How do you replenish those natural resource? Do you sell Confederate flags and swastikas along with Holocaust “debunking” literature to your vast customer base of ideological cronies. Racist and anti-semitic beliefs worked out real well for George Allen recently.
Maybe “Macaca George” is in need of a like minded out of state bigot to revive his political career in Hawaii, as according to you, it is fertile ground for bigots. You guys could go mongoose hunting. I’m sure there are plenty of mailboxes to stuff your kill into but be careful, it’s a federal offense to deposit anything in a mailbox if you aren’t a postal employee. Hey, it just dawned on me—are you a postal employee? That would certainly explain some things—self loathing for being on the dole.
It would be nice if you would name this fictional company. I could research your advertisers and make them aware of your racist and anti-semitic agenda via copies of your posts. They probably wouldn’t have much trouble tracking you down. Unfortunately, they might be disinclined to have their products and services associated with such a model citizen—you think? Oops again an oxymoron—Hawaii Jack and think.
Number of pages in a book and number of copies sold are poor substitutes for quality of content. I’ve made that point before but as always you don’t seem to get it. Similarly, you should refrain from threatening me with physical contact because you’re foolish enough to do that which could jeopardize your physical and financial future. I have little compunction about dragging your sorry self into a court of law. Now of course a delusional genius like you might not believe in the court’s authority to render a binding judgment, but that wouldn’t change reality. Not sure what I would do with your measly assets—laptop, surfboard, crank pipe (a tribute to your idol Ayn Rand), flip flops, lotion, a collection of Hawaiin shirts or your man on goat porn collection, but I’m sure they could be burned in effigy along with your hate memorabilia.
Are you on a first name basis with David Duke by any chance? Do you guys like to dress up your little Grand Wizard costumes—I mean dresses? Talk about cowardly. Guys who wear hoods—cowards. Guys who espouse common beliefs with guys who wear hoods but don’t actually get their hands dirty—bigger cowards.
The modern face of racism—Hawaii Jack and his Ayn Randian “natural order/survival of the fittest social Darwinism.” Though come to find out it wasn’t the best and brightest succeeding in the 20’s it was just a colossal Ponzi scheme ran by the laissez faire capitalist robber barons who were given huge public land grants and hired thugs to shoot and kill labor organizers. Now would that be considered a public subsidy to you free market types? Oops there are no public lands, it is just a “meaningless abstraction.” Oddly the 20’s worked out really well and ended in the Depression. But like the Holocaust maybe the Depression really didn’t happen either?
RRHEARD 7 v. Little Hawaii Jack 0. Zero being oddly symbolic not just of your IQ but of your potential as a human being. Have fun at the next KKK meeting. Do you guys serve milk and cookies to begin with or do you just get right down on your hands and knees in the basic “pitcher/catcher” positions? You probably only catch because you don’t have the juice to pitch. Ouch.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 11, 2007 at 9:32 PM Are these juvenile insults the best you can do, little boy blue ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 9:59 PM Wolf, just kicked your ass three times on two other boards…............
Sure, you want more ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 10:00 PM Hawaii Jack—A legend in his own deluded mind . . . all league, all state, all coast, ALMOST. Kickin’ everybody asses in the blogosphere . . . only problem is he’s the only one who thinks so.
Apparently you’re bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter than everyone else on the planet having never lost an argument or had someone take you up on your “dueling challenge.” How antiquated—a duel! Sabers or pistols at 50 meters Sir? I didn’t notice any dueling in Ayn Rand’s books—something you picked up from another one of your revisionist history texts?
What a fraud. Your views are nothing more than grist for the insult mill.
You’re simply an irrelevant crow cawing at the top of his lungs . . . “Cacaw cacaw cacaw . . . I’m an irrelevant racist anti-semetic troll. Cacaw cacaw cacaw. Please look at me and give me some attention because my mommy and daddy didn’t love me enough. Cacaw cacaw cacaw. They kept me in a box with Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead until I soiled my six million dollar man underroos and could quote accurately from the text. They forced me to collect up their Busch beer cans and mop up their vomit. Cacaw cacaw. My mother made me sleep in her bed and spoon her while my daddy was out trying to score another bag. Cacaw cacaw cacaw.”
As to your top executive status again I reiterate the appropriate quote that your company’s “fate is in the hands of a of retard [bigot in your case] I wouldn’t trust with a potato gun.”
Cacaw cacaw cacaw cacaw cacaw cacaw ugh ugh ugh aak aak [sound of you choking on your own self-loathing bile and a sizeable chunk of peanut you picked out of your own shit].
Posted by rrheard on Jan 11, 2007 at 10:40 PM Is baby heard having another tantrum ? Quick, mommie, change Robbie’s diapers, another big load has come down….................
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 11:36 PM Omigod, it is a veritable tsunami of shit flowing from baby Heard’s stinky butt, reportedly has drowned his parents (two real nice guys) and nanny…...............our deepest condolences as this particular Heard is no small turd…................
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 12, 2007 at 1:13 AM rr heard, in response to your query I think Stephen Schwartz sells recycled buttplugs and reconditioned condoms. I would think your old Lady’s pimp would at least supply the rubbers….................in the meantime please keep your left hand up your rectum so we won’t all get another tsunami of wordsalad shit. And my sympathies on you’re disbarment.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 12, 2007 at 2:54 AM Hey Jack - You really should re-read some of your posts! They are very funny, and like you say, each is a winner! i do wonder why you are obsessed with anuses and poop, though. I suppose big important executives use little boy personas to keep it on the down low?:
Anyway, best of luck to you and yours, for some odd reason i think you may need it. Bha bye.
Posted by wolf on Jan 12, 2007 at 4:17 PM Wolf, is it hard writing from inside that straitjacket ?
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 12, 2007 at 5:33 PM wow top executive jack, did it really take you over an hour between each post last night to come up with those cutting edge insults? So much for your superior sense of humor and intellect. What happened, get stuck cooking the books and counting the profits from your racist literature publishing company.
Oh what’s that I hear . . . cacaw cacaw cacaw . . . your flock of bigots is circling overhead wanting you to come out for goosestepping practice in your Grand Wizard dress . . . cacaw cacaw cacaw . . . or is it “brownshirt day” . . . what, little jackie can’t come out until after X-box hour and until he has finished bleaching his diapers and picking up mommy’s beer cans and hypodermic needles . . . cacaw cacaw cacaw . . . cacaw cacaw . . . oh no, does jackie have to study the bible (Atlas Shrugged) and fantacize about the burly man holding the world on his shoulders . . . cacaw . . . cacaw.
A little wisdom from the bible,
“Do you know that the United States is the only country in history that has ever used its own monogram as a symbol of depravity? Ask yourself why. Ask yourself how long a country that did that could hope to exist, and whose moral standards have destroyed it. It was the only country in history where wealth was not acquired by looting (a lie and/or false premise), but by production, not by force (another lie and/or false premise), but by trade, the only country whose money was the symbol of man’s right to his own mind, to his work, to his life, to his happiness, to himself. If this is evil, by the present standards of the world, if this is the reason for damning us, then we—we, the dollar chasers and makers—accept it and choose to be damned by the world. We choose to wear the sign of the dollar on our foreheads, proudly, as our badge of nobility (little elitist wasn’t she?)—the badge we are willing to live for and, if need be, to die (point of departure for modern Randians . . . they let other children die to preserve their profits—how noble).”—poorly written musings by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged page 628.
Are goosebumps rising on your arms just hearing the words of the prophet? I’ll bet you immediately fish out your dog eared copy covered in semen to rub it against your genitals and go through your obsessive compulsive ritual of bowing, genuflecting and counting all the change in your pocket. But . . . oh wait . . . oops . . . Kasplooey (not surprising you chose “jack” as your screen name) . . . little jack messed in his pants again thinking about how enlightened and beautiful (a real looker BTW) the prophet was.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 12, 2007 at 7:47 PM Keep quoting AR, it is the best thing you’ve done here.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 12, 2007 at 9:59 PM What’s wrong jackie boy cat got your tongue? Are you too blissed out, in a mystical trance from seeing the prophets words, to speak? What’s that I hear in the background . . . cacaw cacaw cacaw . . . your hitler youth friends are calling you jackie . . . come out to play-e-ay . . . don’t forget the pointy hat that fits ever so snuggly over your pointy head . . . cacaw cacaw. Do you carry around a picture of the prophet in your waterproof velcro wallet or taped inside your Himmler’s Atrocities lunchbox? Do you keep the photo in the slot right next to your comic book and your mother’s breast milk filled thermos?
Maybe you’re still busy cleaning up your little trouser mess? Sad, sad, jackie boy, just his hair trigger sexuality and an old copy of Atlas Shrugged to keep him busy on the sunny beaches of Hawaii.
Whoops, I forgot he’s busy taking over the world at the helm “of a huge corporation.” What’s wrong jackie boy, good at threatening people over the internet but don’t have big enough balls to sign up for active military duty to preserve and protect your oil industry shareholder profits? Isn’t profit maximization the ultimate goal of the Randians? Heaven forbid you should go out and do your own dirty work instead of duping others into killing for your profits.
I’m sure given the general level of liberal incompetence running rampant in society today, according to you anyway, that you and your brother brownshirts and Randians could stroll on over to the middle east and clear up the whole mess in a couple of weeks with a bic lighter, the spring from a Chinese made ball point pen, and a stick of doublemint gum—McGuyver style. GOOOO TEAM JACK! Did you catch the double entendre there aimed at you and your inner cabal of circle jerking corporate clone wannabees.
Partial transcript from one of jackie boys boardroom meetings,
” . . . what’s that jackie boy?”
“No, we don’t have time for you to take a boner polishing break and play video games.”“This is a very important meeting about corporate “stategery.” We are trying to resolve whether the corporate logo will be a swastika dripping with blood or a bust of Ayn Rand.”
“Come on jackie get on board . . . zeig heil, zeig heil, zeig heil, zeig heil . . . cacaw cacaw . . . we believe we are independant thinkers so long as we think what our Borg corporate master tells us to think.”
Buh-by baby jack. See you in the funny papers.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 12, 2007 at 10:48 PM mommy, please change baby heard’s dirty diapers again, he had some more big poops and is getting very cranky. Rub some talcum on the smegma area too please.
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 13, 2007 at 12:17 AM Poor Jackie boy can’t even trade insults with the mean old grown up progressives in the blogosphere.
You are a fraud . . . “poops and smegma”? Straight outta the 5th grade insult book, how clever. Explains your anal fixation though. My guess—10th grade bigot, failing out of school, gets his ass kicked alot for being the only kid in Hawaii dressed in a leather trench coat. Close? Nobody is buying the “top corporate executive” thing.
Better not let Der Fuhrer (your daddy) catch you running up the internet bill or he might put his stormtrooper boot up your ass and forbid you from rubbing that much maligned copy of Atlas Shrugged against your groin.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 13, 2007 at 12:41 AM Oh dear, baby heard let out another tsunami of poop again, mommy, call the fire department or public heath, it’s what you’d expect from your standard 450 lb Samoan whose butt plug has been intact for six months .................................ppppppppphhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww !!!!!!!!!
Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 13, 2007 at 1:57 AM Thanks, Jack, for taking care of my intellectual lightwork. rr heard, you appear to have been reduced to complete idiocy. How did you ever get into a top law school ? Part of a Mongoloid quota ? Or maybe you’re an idiot savant except no one has ever seen the savant side yet ! Those “arguments” you postulated in favor of statism that you plagiarized from Mike Huben’s idiot site are precious. Any junior high school libertarian can demolish them in five minutes. But no doubt like Brecht you feel the government should elect a new people since they are so knowing and all wise…..........Then that definition of the deliberative democratic process, I was up all night laughing at that one, ever attend a city council meeting ?
Posted by blondemike on Jan 16, 2007 at 7:44 PM Hi blondemike. Nice to see that the other resident quasi racist and deluded libertarian has decided to chime in. BTW, “Mongoloid quota” is a real clever turn of phrase that I find antiquated yet consistent with your bigoted screen persona. Interesting to me, if I’m not mistaken, that you are married to a lovely Jewish woman. Are you also an “executive for a top corporation” in Oakland as HJ is in Oahu? Hey, why do you stay in Oakland if you hate your neighbors so much? A slave to the libertarian economic imperative?
Are you going to immediately threaten me with either physical violence or resort to facile bathroom humor when I don’t buy into your grand “Randian” world view like the other resident dimbulb Hawaii Jack does? Given HJ’s inability to properly insult someone I should have no problem insulting both of you contemporaneously.
Hey BTW, If the Randian worldview is so “right” and Rand’s books are so widely consumed and proselytized about by those of your enlightened ilk over the last 50 years, why aren’t you running for office on a platform grounded in her beliefs? Shouldn’t it be an easy sell if its truth is so self-evident. If you’re going to argue “common sense economic reality,” could you be prodded to admit that their exists a political component to human existence and that without engaging in political processes how will you ever see Rand’s views rise to their deserved prominence in the world? Maybe what you should really be proselytizing about is the ideological consistency between your (and HJ’s) world view and that other seminal work on corporatism and cultural manipulation—Mein Kampf.
BTW it would be impossible for me to have plagiarized Mike Huben as I have no idea who he is or the contents of his alleged website.
As for arguments in favor of statism, I’ve never argued for centralized economic planning only that a better and more inclusive economic balance can be struck between the needs of labor and capital so as to minimize the excesses and externalities generated by extreme free market ideology and/or the morally bankrupt culture of Rand’s “money makers and chasers.”
“Up all night laughing . . .? Wow, just like HJ you sound like someone tragically afflicted with a mental illness or a bad cut of meth, or maybe both, just like your idol Ms. Rand. My deepest sympathies to your wife as she sounds like an honorable woman given what you’ve written about her. Given your pharmaceutically enhanced failings my advice to you wife is to get you into rehab as quickly as possible.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 17, 2007 at 10:29 PM Can you translate this into human language, preferably english ?
Posted by blondemike on Jan 17, 2007 at 10:59 PM OK. Here it is for the cheap junior high libertarian seats. How is it that a bigot marries a jewish woman or is your bigotry simply confined to African Americans.
If Rand’s views are anti-government and anti statist why do Randians waste any time trying to convince anyone of their beliefs—why don’t they simply choose to live in the country with the least pervasive government. Since Randians only care about profit then why not pursue the path of least resistance and move to another country? Could it be as I’ve tried to explain to HJ that your ilk are the worst type of hypocrites. You absolutely depend on government to protect property rights and have never seen a government regulation you didn’t like if it yields some unearned redistribution of wealth into your coffer, yet when government is used for any other purpose it is unacceptable.
Quack, Quack, Quack . . . what’s that . . . sounds like a duck and walks like a duck . . . must be a duck . . . or in this case either a bigot or a hypocrite.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 18, 2007 at 12:35 AM Sorry, still can’t make out your attempted rant (?)..........are you of the Heard Klan in Illinois ?
Wait a minute ! With great difficulty I just made sense of you’re last sentence, you stole that line
from Joe McCarthy, you thief !
Posted by blondemike on Jan 18, 2007 at 2:10 AM A new old dimbulb . . . welcome back blondmike . . . your projection was predictable. What happened to the tried and true digression into “mother insults and bathroom humor?” I thought that was your default method of argumentation. Sorry your reading comprehension is so limited and that we can’t discuss the hypocritical Randian viewpoint or your more disturbing racist viewpoints.
I really could care less because the libertarian/Rand viewpoint will continue to be what it has always been—marginal.
Buh bye.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 18, 2007 at 2:22 AM Can you enlighten me as to what government funds my corporation has been receiving ? As Hawaii told you private property came before the state, see Franz Oppenheimer’s book of same name. And the state wasn’t started to protect property or individuals’ welfare, it originated as a result of military conquest by one group of bandits robbing victims. Some libertarians like Rothbard’s anarcho-capitalists, don’t trust the state to provide police, court, arbitration and defense services. The Randians want a limited government, which may be more “utopian” than anarcho-capitalism. Obviously, you disagree and I have no desire to convert you. Randians tend to think that the USA is the least invasive govt but they could be wrong. You’re Love It or Leave It argument makes no sense because the US is such a big influence everywhere why not try to change it here ? Some Randians are Israel Lovers who want to nuke all Arabs, some of us are NOT. “Racist” is a weasel word, I’ve read The Bell Curve and there ARE profound differences between certain groups and that’s not a per se bad thing. No one should be legally persecuted on account of race, sex, orientation, religion, etc. That part of civil rights I completely agree with, anything else, no.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 18, 2007 at 9:20 PM wow, now you’re arguing on behalf of the “Bell Curve.” Evidently context when arguing anything is beyond you or HJ.
“Nearly all the research that Murray and Herrnstein relied on for their central claims about race and IQ was funded by the Pioneer Fund, described by the London Sunday Telegraph (3/12/89) as a “neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics.” The fund’s mission is to promote eugenics, a philosophy that maintains that “genetically unfit” individuals or races are a threat to society.” Nuff said.
Would anyone, including me, not agree with the premise that there is a spectrum of genetic variation that distinguishes any given individual from another? No educated person would disagree. It is quite a different matter to singularly and causally connect race (a cultural creation) to inherent capacity for learning or intellectual capacity. Phenotype and genotype both contribute, as do a host of other factors both physical, environmental (like early childhood diet) and cultural (like time and commitment to education in a child’s formative years). So if you can point me to reputable scientific studies that extrapolate out the exact interplay between the two then maybe we can have this discussion and what in fact it means in terms of culturally held biases based on immutable human traits. Otherwise you’re are just cloaking bigotry in pseudo-science which is unsurprising given you and HJ’s reading list.
BTW, it wasn’t the love it or leave it argument it was the “path of least resistance argument.” As to your company or industry getting “tax breaks, certain incentives and/or taxpayer funded subsidies,” I guess you’ll have to either name your company or industry before we can have that discussion. But as a general proposition, I stand by the statement that a corporation as a legal entity driven by one sole mandate—increasing shareholder profit—will necessarily externalize costs of production onto the public/individual at every opportunity.
The claim about America being the least invasive form of government? Have you ever been to a law library? What crap. The law and government is, as imperfect as it is necessary, a societal and cultural buffer between competing societal interests. Can we have reasoned arguments about what is the correct degree or limit of government interference in our lives. Absolutely, its called politics based upon a dynamic social compact. Does economic theory play a role in politics and domestic/foreign policy? Absolutely. Should it be the only concern? Absolutely not. But, again, I don’t think life is all about amassing vast sums of individual wealth anymore than I think our economy should be geared toward yielding a corporatist oligarchy.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 18, 2007 at 11:14 PM You rely on one leftist smear characterization rather than take the actual trouble to read the book and see if you can even grapple with its theme much less refute it. As far as dropping context goes, have you taken a good look at you’re own rambling tirades here in your responses to Hawaii and to a mercifully lesser degree myself ? You can do no better than parrot the old saw about the state being a necessary evil ? You need to read some Murray N. Rothbard, start with For A New Library, Power & Market in the Scholars’ Edition of Man, Economy and State plus The Ethics of Liberty. Rather than waste my valuable replying to you’re inane strawman nonsequiturs I’ll refer you to the above works so you don’t have to take my word for it and do some serious study yourself. You never read much less refuted any book that Hawaii recommended, you use sarcasm, the lowest form of humor and sneers in place of serious argumentation. The only reason corporations were able to pass externalities on to the general public is the lack of property rights in certain “commons” areas, the courts in the 19th century held to the collectivist proposition that a factory owner’s belching chimney was a greater “public good” than a farmer’s orchard injured by same. Thus there was no market mechanism to force the adoption of pollution control technology and our lungs & water became cost-free depositories for their industrial waste. The social contract or compact is crap and really means the rule of whatever pressure lobby has grabbed control of the legislature for the moment. The idea that govt officials have more incentive to act longrange than profit making businesses could only occur to someone who has never worked for a living. What life is about is rally up to each person to decide for himself or herself. I’ve been to many law libraries and once scored 1650 on the LSAT. But I don’t like or respect most lawyers & Judges I’ve met. I know there are trillions of laws in the USA but from what I understand most countries are even MORE statist. If you know of any exceptions to this rule please let me know. Ok, I’ve done my bit here.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 19, 2007 at 12:37 AM Well, I’m sure that maybe, back in the day, your “score on the LSAT was 1650” but as of today the scaled range yields a number in the 3 digits (like 165 or 140 or 180 being the highest).
As to my sarcasm at your and HJ’s expense, I certainly didn’t start this uncivil dialogue with HJ, or you, as you both can research up every thread where we’ve conversed. I initially attempted to politely solicit an explanation of your viewpoint. Unfortunately your collective Randian superiority, despite its marginal merit and the fact you regurgitate opinions based on the works of fringe academics and conservative think tank funded authors instantly turned me off. This is not to necessarily diminish those valid substantive arguments made by certain authors you quote but it is not the same thing as me letting slide your preposterous and downright bigoted views. Your worldviews are grounded in a work of fiction for pete’s sake and to top it off it is next to impossible to take you seriously given your shared tendency to devolve into outright racist hostility.
That you don’t respect lawyers, judges and laws that don’t benefit you as a so called businessman isn’t a real shocker. As I’ve said before, when you step down off your collective David Duke soap boxes long enough to listen to views other than the most marginal maybe I’ll treat you both with something other than scorn and derision. This website is basically a progressive one and you come here just to disrupt and insult people with your wacky marginal viewpoints. Go to Coulter’s website, maybe your ideas will receive some play there. Until then every time you deny the holocaust or quote something like the Bell Curve and I read it, I’m going to be on you like stink on shit, because IMHO the best way to marginalize your logically inconsistent world view is to diminish it through ridicule not empower it by creating a springboard for more dopes to dive into your delusional bizzaro world.
Sorry we can’t be civil but I would no more be civil to a racist than I would be to a child molester. You have as much right as anybody to an opinion, that right however doesn’t make your opinions more compelling nor do I want to see them gain any traction with the less enlightened in this country. We could both agree that empowering the less enlightened hasn’t done much for America over the last 6 years whatever our personal differences may be. At least you read which is more than I can say for many Americans.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 19, 2007 at 2:02 AM And by the way, how’s about you and HJ shelve the whole “obviously you’ve never worked for a living which is why you don’t agree with us” crap. We all work. I’ve worked since I was fifteen. Manual labor (farm work, house painter, cement block manufacturing company, Avia athletic shoe company), self-employed, and 13.5 years as a civil servant before I went to law school. I put myself through undergrad by working swing shift and attending class during the day and still did well enough to get into law school. As I’ve said I disagree with you on a rational and ideological level and because I don’t give someone’s opinion more due simply because of the size of his or her bank account. Making more money doesn’t make someone more intelligent, enlightened or a better human being, it simply makes them more committed to accumulating wealth. If intelligence was a precursor to wealth then Einstein would have died the richest man in the world.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 19, 2007 at 4:26 AM Excuse me, asshole, but you are the biggest anti-white racist around. I know you wouldn’t act or talk this way in person. Go fuck yourself. I only read the line comparing me to a child molester. Probably what you are. Go fuck yourself, you stinky asshole.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 19, 2007 at 5:19 PM “Anti-white racist?” Interesting. That statement would imply what: that I believe white people are intellectually inferior based upon the color of their skin and less deserving of opportunity and empathy. Facially it is an absurd comment.
BTW who exactly is a white person? Somewhere on another thread I probably self-identified as white yet that would be imprecise. My mother’s family is from Spain via Mexico via Colorado so I’m assuming I’m genetically also part indiginous native South american and the mixed genetic history of Spain. My father is Scottish to the best of his knowledge. The point being what individual is of pure “racial” stock such that your statement could be accurate even if true, which it isn’t.
I’m not the one on this site constantly diminishing another human’s worth based upon his culture, gender, religion or the color of his or her skin. You are that person regardless of your screen name. I think I’ve made it abundantly clear that race is a creation of culture and not a valid genetic classification. It isn’t a valid factor in evaluating ones actions. This is why I take such strong offense to your sweeping stereotypical assumptions about events and individual action based upon race and why I choose to classify you as either a racist or a bigot.I’ll do you one better given that you’ve stopped reading my entire reply before you insult me: pick five books or scholarly works (other than Ayn Rand’s works which I’ve read several times or the Reismann treatise) that you think are the most representative of your world view and I’ll read them. In two weeks I’ll get back to you and we can try to return to civil discourse on some subject other than race. Take it or leave it.
BTW please believe me when I tell you that “almost anything I’ve said to you, unless I accidentally mispoke, I would say to your face and in mixed company.” I seriously doubt you could say the same because saying some of the vile things you say on this site in the wrong crowd could lead to a serious ass whuppin if they weren’t as tolerant of free speech as some of us.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 19, 2007 at 10:27 PM I GUARANTEE you wouldn’t say it to my face. Give me your address and I’ll make good on this promise. Threats are illegal, this is a promise. Who are you kidding ? I’ve read the Great Books, the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Durants 11 volume world history, many serious thinkers including but not limited to Rand, Von Mises, Rothbard, the list goes on forever. You will get the ass beating of a lifetime if we ever meet. I PROMISE you that you piece of shit coward. And nothing you wrote here you would ever say in any mixed company where I or my friends appear. As far as race goes, it is a legitimate topic, the whole term racism is a coined term circa the 20s at the latest and it means nothing in the reality of race. I’ve never claimed all blacks are inferior as there are many intelligent ones and utterly stupidass white trash like rr heard. But The Bell Curve makes arguments that the liberals can no more deal with than they can the holocaust revisionists which is why they have to outlaw them in many countries. Bottom line is that when you waste time like I have arguing with an imbecile like you after a while people might not be able to tell the difference. If you absolutely have to have the last word fine, I’ll only come back to see if give your real name and address, if not I’ll read no further.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 20, 2007 at 12:29 AM Again apparently your reading comprehension is limited because you are the only one (and HJ) threatening anyone with phyisical violence. Here are the direct quotes again,
1. ” . . . saying some of the vile things you say on this site in the wrong crowd could lead to a serious ass whuppin if they weren’t as tolerant of free speech as some of us.”
2. “wrong crowd” means someone who might be a direct target of your bigotry and prone to a violent reaction. This is not and was not intended as a veiled threat by me regarding any hypothetical reaction of mine because generally speaking the targets of your bigotry seem to be confined to “non-whites”. I’m someone who appears caucasion on the outside but really isn’t sure he would identify with any particular racial classification as I’ve made clear. So for me to take offense personally to your racial invective seems a non sequitur. I have also made it clear that I find many of your viewpoint offensive and grounded in misinformation but as my last message stated I am willing to read what you recommend which you seem unwilling to do. The statement was simply a life observation, as I’ve encountered minority individuals you react poorly, often with violence, to bigoted invective being spewed at them. Others don’t.
3. “tolerant of free speech as some of us” includes me and all the “liberal” legal profession and judges you seem to hate so much who actually believe that “sunshine is the best disinfectant” and who are appalled at the very notion of censoring opinions even those of ill-informed revisionist knuckledraggers like you living in your own little delusional kazoo land.
BTW, we finally agree on something—threats are illegal—but the only coward is you for not giving me your address so I can serve you with a complaint. You give me yours and I’ll give you mine and I’ll subpoena all these threads and we’ll have us a good old time in court in front of an impartial judge who is perfectly capable of determining who is threatening whom here. Sad thing for you is you’ll have to pay someone to defend and I’ll represent myself for free. And to top it all off I’ll make sure to buy a few shares of your company and appear at your annual shareholder meeting to make it widely known what the factual basis of this suit is as I’m sure they would be interested about online activity and viewpoints by one of their employees or officers that misrepresents what I’m sure is their lawful stance regarding their minority employees and/or your potential subordinates.
Buh bye whacko.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 20, 2007 at 1:35 AM Coward ! No address, just like I knew. I wasn’t threatening legal action, I was promising to kick your stinky ass in person. Better go back to law school, imbecile. Nothing said here is legally actionable and no Judge would hear this noncase. In your case you would have a fool for a client ...............see if you can figure that one out, diarrhea breath. BTW, affirmative action has been outlawed in California among several other states. You a WHIGGER in the immortal words of Senator Bobby Byrd. See if you can figure that out one out too…..................Lawyers have become a dime three dozen in urban America. Unless you get your shabbas goy ass on a government payroll where your income is stolen from the taxpayer via theft (taxes) you will starve. Your wife’s hooker job won’t be enough to support you, rr. Of all the pathetic pieces of statist-collectivist shit I’ve seen on this board, you are the most pathetic as well as the most pretentious. Have a rotten life as I’m sure you will.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 20, 2007 at 2:22 AM Wow, you are angry. What’s wrong internet genius, frustrated because someone doesn’t think or do exactly what you want them to. BTW, despite your riveting legal analysis, I’ve almost got a sure thing—legally speaking. All I’m missing is the “imminence/apparent ability” element and it’s a slam dunk. Be very very careful. Maybe in your deluded la la land you think what you’ve said isn’t actionable but you keep threatening me with physical violence and I find out who you are and where you live we’ll see if it’s actionable or not. I’m sure I could plead a prima facie case which will force you to hire a mean old liberal lawyer and pay him your hard earned SS disability benefit just to prove me wrong which would cut into your anti-psychotic meds.
BTW, I don’t believe in engaging in violence except in self-defense which doesn’t make me a coward, just a well adjusted human being. I would rather hold violent kooks accountable the way any civilized human would—with a remedy available under the law. Ever had your alleged “wages” garnished, spent a little time behind bars or picked up garbage off the side of a highway wearing an orange safety vest? Be careful or you might find out. Not much fun from what I hear.
You rarely if ever write in complete sentences so I’m not overly concerned about your ability to be a compelling witness (I’m betting you wouldn’t invoke your right not to testify and you would jump at the chance to get on the stand and disseminate your lunacy). I would bait you into a few of your more salient thoughts on the subject of race relations and I’d have a Bay Area jury eating out of the palm of my hand, IMHO.
You might have a valid insanity defense because no one could have as much hate in his heart and subscribe to the delusional belief that the holocaust didn’t occur without being at least a little mentally ill. I wouldn’t however bank on that defense because it’s a tough sell. I’m sure your liberal lawyer will do his best for you though. Better start turning down the air conditioning, riding mass transit and cutting your prescriptions in half to save a little extra money. You might need it.
And for the record, don’t go away mad little buddy, just crawl back under the rock where the rest of the cockroach colony that spawned you breeds.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 20, 2007 at 4:13 AM P.S. You have friends? Where exactly does your Brownshirt group assemble so I can alert your neighbors. I’m sure they wouldn’t find your racist invective very entertaining.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 20, 2007 at 4:19 AM It’s a heard, it’s a turd, no, wait a minute, it’s a Portnoy poo panties letting loose a veritable tsunami of excrement ! All my neighbors are holocaust revisioinsts as is 60% of the US population. No one doubts the camps or the persecution but if you go to the VHO website in your native state of Illinois and download a couple of dozen scholarly works by Gernar Rudolf, Carlo Mattogno, Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson, David Irving on Nuremberg Stalinist Farce Trials, Paul Rassiner, Buchenwald survivor, J.C. Burg, Walter N. Sanning and others you will see there were no gas chambers, no mass extermination program, no conspiracy to exterminate European Jewry and nowhere near six million Jews died, probaly 1-2 million at most from all causes. Anne Frank existed but her “diary” is a fraud. This is a nuanced subject and an emotionalistic little shit lumps in his panties liberal like you can’t grasp this intellectually. This wasn’t taught at that matchbook night law school. I’ve already extensively debated this here with your fellow Illinoisan Shitcago Cabbie and I won’t repeat myself here. I’m sorry that you’re whore wife is now wearing an orange jump, just like you’re ugly Mama did for the same crimes of hooking and taking smack. We libertarians are going to repeal those laws. I’m sorry your license is now being revoked by the Illinois Bar. I know your location. So let’s watch you’re Portnoy potty mouth. Bay Area juries are not that liberal, I served as Jury Foreman once and was the sole vote in favor of acquiting a black woman of DUI. At least I got it hung. So bye, bye little heard turd shitbird.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 22, 2007 at 5:49 PM ...stinky ass…
...diarrhea breath…
...WHIGGER…
...shabbas goy ass…
...Your wife’s hooker job…
...pathetic pieces of statist-collectivist shit…
...it’s a turd…
...Portnoy poo panties…
...tsunami of excrement…
...there were no gas chambers, no mass extermination program, no conspiracy to exterminate European Jewry and nowhere near six million Jews died, probaly 1-2 million at most from all causes…
...Anne Frank[‘s]... “diary” is a fraud…
...This is a nuanced subject and an emotionalistic little shit lumps in his panties liberal like you can’t grasp this intellectually…
...you’re whore wife is now wearing an orange jump[suit], just like you’re ugly Mama did for the same crimes of hooking and taking smack…
...you’re Portnoy potty mouth…
...I served as Jury Foreman once and was the sole vote in favor of acquiting a black woman of DUI. At least I got it hung…
...turd shitbird…
For someone who claims to be intelligent, BM, you sure sound stupid. Not to mention the racism and anti-semitism which run through your commentary like a fascist strain of anti-intellectual diarrhea which you intentionally employ to obviate your otherwise more valid analyses.
Posted by Major Major on Jan 23, 2007 at 11:30 PM Who cares about you’re context dropping ? Anyone who reads the full text by ALL the participants can understand why invective can be necessary but as an adjunct not in place of an argument and refs, both of which I have always provided up the gazoo. Spare us you’re selective context dropping major and you’re childish labels only reflect on you. I stand by everything I’ve posted on all the sacred cows. If you don’t like it, tough shit.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 24, 2007 at 12:37 AM Dear BM (bowel movement—ironic don’t you think)
It is Germar Rudolf BTW so if you’re going to attempt to disseminate your racist clap trap at least spell the high priest’s names correctly.
Rudolf—right wing Nazi sympathizer, chemist not historian, theories debunked by Richard Green and Jamie McCarthy.
Mattogno—premier Italian revisionist nut job whose prime claim is that “no records of people being put through ovens means no mass extermination.” Difficult to disprove a negative, but nevertheless handily debunked by eyewitness reports.
Rassiner, Leuchters were both debunked in the Zundel trials and the Irving v. Lipstadt trial.
As fate would have it Leuchter wasn’t really an engineer nor did he have training as a toxocologist, but was in fact an historian whose cuckoo theory that “because there weren’t sufficient traces of cyanide in the bricks at the camps to support human extermination at levels claimed” was easily explained by dissapation due to exposure to the elements.
Butz—associate professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern who is only still in a job because the enlightened people at Northwestern believe in free speech and he hasn’t tried working his nuttiness into the curriculum.
Should I go on. My offer was for you to provide credible sources not the same 10 names that defend each others lunacy. You really are a neo-nazi racist bigot but thank god you live in America where even the stupid are allowed to have voice.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 24, 2007 at 3:10 AM The holohoax historian Raul Hilberg was the one who was debunked in the Zundel trial. You can download a book on Hilberg at the Zundel Trial titled The Giant With The Feet of Clay at the VHO site. Leuchter was vindicated in the Zundel trial. Rassinier was not affected either way but he has never been debunked there or anyplace else. I stated Rudolf was a chemist and he is not a national socialist sympathizer nor has he been debunked by anyone. Rather than mindlessly parrot ADL handouts you might want to go to Germar Rudolf’s own VHO site and download the materials, thousands of pages. As far as “the same ten names” go that’s more than enough, if it was thirty names you would say “the same thirty names.” The Zundel Trial as Chomsky noted was a fascist farce based on a fascist law in Canada and the reason they have such laws is precisely because they can’t debunk the revisionists, the revisionists have debunked them and they are at their wit’s end. They don’t imprison flat earthers but then maybe they never taught you that at the matchbook night law school. Butz did a better work than 99.99% of “historians” have done if a lazy cowardly ass like rr heard as in turd would take the time to examine his great book. Again, no rebuttals, just smears. The Irving lawsuit (NOT Irving Trial, imbecile) NEVER discredted either Leuchter or Rassinier but was limited to the proposition if Irving was a holocaust revisionist, in fact he is NOT but the court declared he was. It was a stupid suit on his part, who cares if some hysterical, discredited piece of shit like Lipstadt calls you a “denier.” There should not even be libel or slander laws, as one’s reputation is what others think of him or her. You can’t and shouldn’t own it. See Rothbard’s Man, Economy and State, volume 2 and The Ethics of Liberty in this regard. Mattogno has never been debunked by eyewitness reports and if you knew anything about either history or criminology you would know that eyewitness reports are the most unreliable of all and in fact all of e “holocaust” eyewitnesses (in quotes) have been discredited by Mattogno, Faurisson, Rassinier, Leuchter and others. Again, take your lazy, cowardly Illinois ass over to the VHO website and download about a half dozen or more of Mattogno’s books on this whole subject. Anyone who challenges the Shoah Business religion is labeled a “fascist” and that’s about as meaningful as being labeled a “communist” by Michael Weiner Savage or Rush Limbaugh. Leuchter NEVER claimed to have an engineering degree and many engineers don’t either. I worked with enough on Vietnam in the 60s to know most had on the job training. Leuchter WAS the leading US expert on gas chambers which were used in a number of states until lethal injections replaced them and only the hysterical professional “holohoaxers” caused him to lose that position, NOT anything in his own work. I spelled Rudolf’s name correctly. I have been following his “trial” under fascist laws in Germany closely. Finally, you can take you’re nonexistent “god” and shove it up you’re stinky ass. Even for a statist pwogwessive you are unusually STUPID. You are even reduced to plagiarizing the black racist Redhorse’s childish name calling. You are truly pathetic, little turd.
Posted by blondemike on Jan 24, 2007 at 5:51 PM How can someone claim to be an “engineer” without an engineering degree? Self taught or amateur engineer/inventor or home mechanic I suppose would be a more accurate description. Apparently I wasn’t aware that by working with engineers in Vietnam in the 60’s that entitled one to the title of engineer. Again you’ve taught me something new. Just like you can be one of the “chosen” few experts on the holocaust because of your vast knowledge of sources which consistently reinforce the same poorly constructed revisionism—how convenient.
How is it that every opinion that doesn’t comport with the opinion of your wretchedly small minority of revisionists is part vast liberal/progressive conspiracy and part pathetic stance as intellectual victim.
Tell me exactly how establishing with precision whether 6 million or 2 million jews were executed, even if your high priests of revisionism could prove it so, makes a bit of difference to your facist enabling worldview? Are 2 million deaths somehow more or less significant than 500,000? Maybe if you could prove to the whole world that it was less than 6 million it somehow makes it less tragic and facists less loathsome. BTW “. . . they only used the gas chambers as disinfectant/delousing chambers” was a real stellar piece of argumentation by whichever one of your nutty priests argued it.
BTW, how can an enlightened man such as yourself have such a limited wit and inferior ability to insult someone properly—“wife is a hooker, turd, shitbird blah blah blah blah.” In fact that seems to be your whole world view the way I’m perceiving it . . . blah blah blah . . . no holocaust . . . blah blah blah . . . you’re stupid and I’m a genius because I read the most fringe literature on the planet . . . blah blah blah blah . . . progressive conspiracy . . . blah blah . . . heard and turd, ass etc. ad infinitum. You’ve done nothing to dispute my perception that you’re an angry racist troll marginalized by a society that he perceives has victimized him because of his delusional genius. Pathetic and sad. Poking rhetorical sticks in your eye is starting to lose its appeal. So have the last word and good luck selling your hate and anger.
Posted by rrheard on Jan 24, 2007 at 11:40 PM They know the work, they know engineering. 80% of the engineers working on the US Govt’s communications systems in the then South Vietnam had no degrees. They knew the basics. Maybe it’s tightened up now or maybe those pieces of paper aren’t what make an engineer. I never claimed to be an engineer, I merely said most of the engineers I worked with, well, I’m repeating myself. As far as the numbers game goes you’ll have to ask Wiesel, Wiesenthal, et al, why they have made such a big deal of the standard figure ? No one was trying to justify ANY deaths, just trying to find out the truth of the matter. If the gas chambers so-called were only used for delousing purposes that does make a difference, right ? As far you’re psychobabble goes, why dignify it with a response ? Ok, best to you.
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