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Reader Comments (46)Page 1 of 1 pagesExcuse me BUT we have 13 MILLION illegals here just from Mexico alone. We need these raids 24/7.
Posted by blondemike on Apr 23, 2007 at 3:59 PM Wow La Migra overreacts when arresting people working long hard hours for little pay, no benefits, and the scutwork whitey won’t do. How shocking. We have known that little tidbit for years.
40 MILLION MIKEY. And you can’t do anything about it. Ha I love it. Viva La Renconquista. Viva La Raza.
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 23, 2007 at 5:15 PM civil rights are for US CITIZENS ONLY. bullet to the brain for the invaders, NOT deportation. then, bullets for the traitors who hire them.
Posted by SekhmetSatRa on Apr 23, 2007 at 5:34 PM Nowhere near 40 million, TI. Having
lived at the base in San Antonio I’m
well aware of the Mexican tactic of gross
inflation of numbers. A trait you greasers
share with another ethnic group. The
figure of 13 million illegals is probably
a greaser inspired number too.
Whatever the number they should be
deported, they lower wages, they are
serious public health risks, more diseases
than even bastard kids and they commit
crime as much or more than even blacks.
As far Reconquista goes, if you want to live
under Mexican rule, go back there. It’s that
simple. And by the way, why are you posting
the State Hospital for the Criminally Insane
as your home phone ? Are you an inmate
or do you just clean the bed pans. At least
blacks are number one in poverty and basketball.
You greasers aren’t numero uno in anything.
Plenty of whites will do those jobs IF they have
to. Good riddance to the Mexican machete gardeners.
If you ever hire any of these clowns and they hang
around certain blocks near Baltimore you have to
spend more supervising their illiterate asses
than the money you save. Ruskin said a bargain
can be a costly purchase, never more true than
when you hire greasers.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 23, 2007 at 6:04 PM Mikey changes names not tactics. Ha. Asshole.
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 23, 2007 at 10:00 PM TI, you are not a real bright guy. Posting
obscene libels on this site only makes you
look like a jackass. The only mistake that
blondemike made was wasting too much
time on your greaser ass. Mencken said 5%
are educable, 95% are merely trainable.
Guess which category you’re in ? But the
good news, someone out here in Towson
(Baltimore County) ran into six of your countrymen
standing around an intersection this morning.
It doesn’t pay to hire them, they do their gardening
work with a machete and you have to spend so much
supervising their dumbasses that you are better off
paying a gringo more to begin with. Not to mention
that many would steal the balls off a brass monkey
if they could. Not being bright, they get caught mostly.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 23, 2007 at 10:52 PM Hi,y’all!
texasindependent,
You are certainly more astute than you imagine! Just look at the wonderful bag of goodies I was recently given by someone else who utterly despises bostonblackie a.k.a. blondemike a.k.a. God knows who else!
Here is a list of aliases he’s used on this site. Alas, it is not a complete list. Sigh! Lunacy is so complex and tiring! Can’t we just make do with these?
rotten robbie
shubert
jack barnes
lefty’s mama
christine m taylor
robber baron
susie
peter rockefeller
marcy fleming
teresa
matt dillon
billy calumet
lin biao
pete wilson
noree freese
nora kuzma
bill winston
blue dog democrat
pat gaffney
toni
stan
redstater
steve hansen
steve
martin
sheila
paul malloy
robbie hylandFinally, the creme de la creme or coup de grace, Michael Hardesty! The man who poses as someone not as smart as him but admires what Michael says, wishes he could be as smart as Michael, and writes a fawning post praising Michael’s intellectual prowess! Really, it’s amazing how many are satisfied with so litltle or so much of the common! Or is it really our dear little troll writing under an assumed name to garner a cheap bit of ego-reinforcement denied since the day Ayn Rand chose someone else? Who shall speculate?
If you find this hard to believe, and most should, look at the posts for Injuries to All(6/8/05 ), as well as Christian Restorationists(5/23/05).You’ll find both of these in the archives.The proof is in the pudding! Snooping about the other posts won’t hurt a bit! Unless, of course you are an irksome pest who has had his facile facade shattered.
What do you suppose Rumplestiltskin will do now? Neither do I,but I’m sure it will be interesting, as interesting as a tantrum by a someone mentally deficient can be. Oh, I’m sorry! I shouldn’t call Jack Barnes (or is it really Michael Hardesty?) mentally deficient. Instead, perhaps he should be called"hard of thinking” !
Ta-Ta !
Posted by Aunty Rightwing on Apr 24, 2007 at 8:46 AM Ya know, I have no worries about immigrants per se, don’t really care which ethnicity they identify with, and I do have pointed questions about ICE doing orifice searches during a raid. But…
...is it really too much to ask, really a so-called “racist” position, to expect people to come in the front door, legally?
Obviously some sort of well-regulated guest worker program is called for. Fences and The Minutemen don’t appear to work too well. But still, would any householder just throw open their gate and say “Come on in, whoever you are, there’s plenty for all” to the world? Is it wise for any national government on Earth to do so?
All the roughing up sucks. People don’t need to be harrassed and made to grab their ankles (which I believe was a way to break them down psychologically) for some goon to be peering up into their privates, “just in case” a baggie of rock was concealed there. Ridiculous.
But aside from the “bad cop” tactics which seem to be de rigueur these days, I become very frustrated by the nature of this debate. I think it is gratuitously phrased in strictly racist terms as a way of forcing the debate into particular directions, as a rhetorical tactic.
Let people come in to work or study or live. No problema. But there ought to be due process, and that means devising a system that benefits the country as well as the guests (or, if they qualify to become such, the new residents). This includes limitations on who and how many are allowed to enter.
An acquaintance of mine years ago allowed her foreign-worker immigration status to lapse here in the Phils 6 or 7 years ago. Know what happened? She was deported until she got her paperworks in order. She was a highly educated and skilled curriculum specialist, a citizen of a rich country working and spending money in a very poor country, whose children were among the beneficiaries of her work. Didn’t matter.
However, to be clear, she wasn’t invasively groped or roughed up in the process.
Some level of realism would be welcome with this issue. And wanting immigrants to enter legally does not make one a racist.
Posted by Kuya on Apr 24, 2007 at 9:15 AM “civil rights are for US CITIZENS ONLY. bullet to the brain for the invaders, NOT deportation. then, bullets for the traitors who hire them. “
Um NO idiot. Civil rights are for everybody. The US Constitution makes NO differentiation between citizens and non citizens. IT REGULATES THE ACTIONS OF GOVERNMENT. The government has to abide by certain rules of due process not matter who is being arrested.
It whole, “they can come here legally” argument is a bullshit blind alley. If you really wanted to address illegal immigration, you go after the companies that hire illegals. Of course, there’s very little being done about the employers in this. If fact the employers have no problem with hiring illegals until they actually attempt to form a union, then all of a sudden they have some kind or moral indignation about illegals in the country. Typical capitalist hubris.
Posted by lams712 on Apr 24, 2007 at 2:33 PM Kuya is the only one making any sense at
all of the last three posters above. No other
country in the world allows mass illegal
immigration and there’s no reason we
should either. The US Constitution does
make a distinction and even people born
abroad can’t run for President and you can’t
vote unless you are a citizen. Many govt jobs
that require security clearances are off limits
to aliens. Lams statement is a mindbendingly
stupid one. Typical of him from what I’ve read
on some threads here. Looks like “Aunty” got
his butt whipped in debate but has he really
posted under that many names ?
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 3:39 PM Aunty you are right on the money…....
Thank you Kuya. Intelligent post as usual. No one should have a problem with some form of guest worker program. Realizing the futility of “stopping” immigration we still should…1. Know who we have invited into our “house. Screen criminals out before they enter. Registration should be done for any temporary visa/ guest worker program.
2. Take care of the people who we have invited into our “house”. Guest worker programs should involve taxes, minimum wage guarantees, and equal protection under the law. Iams is correct due process still applies to any person inside the United States irregardless of citizenship.
3. Allow the people we have invited into our “house’ the ability to become citizens. Following the guest worker program should eventually lead to citizenship. Just as millions of immigrants have for 200 years or so, guest workers who fufill the requirements should be granted citizenship.
Requiring everyone to follow the established rules is not racist.
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 24, 2007 at 3:44 PM bostonblackie: Nice blondemike, going under an alias like that. What, don’t have the courage of your conviction that you have to hide behind all of those aliases. Your total ignorance of the US Constitution is what is what is mindbendingly stupid. Of course, you did not deny the fact that EVERYBODY is entitled to due process (the main point in this case) no matter what their status is. Your statements about citizens and the constitution are obfuscations that had nothing to do with my point.
Kuya and texasindependent: I did not mean to imply that I disagreed with you or that wanting legal channels for immigrants was racist. I totally agree with you on that. I was trying to say that the agruments of the legality/illegality of immigrants is a side issue to the real problem of who is really causing illegal immigration—-the companies that hire them.
Posted by lams712 on Apr 24, 2007 at 3:56 PM You even play a game with a very young child where he covers his own eyes and shouts “you can’t find me!”? It is sweet.
Seems we have a grown up poster who thinks such techniques really work? Where oh where is that annoying namecaller? He is so very stealthy. . . :)
Immigration - without the illegals who would pick our food and do the work we don’t want to do? Hell, if we could actually deport them all tomorrow, the US economy would certainly suffer mightily. As long as a large gradient exists between a nation of plenty and a nation of much less, controlling the tide will be difficult if possible at all.
Posted by wolf on Apr 24, 2007 at 3:57 PM “Due process” ? Guantanamo ? Jose Padilla ?
Greaser, you wouldn’t know due process if
it bit you on the nose.
Lams actually wrote that the Constitution did not
distinguish between citizens and aliens and he’s
wrong. US economy would not suffer in the least
but benefit if the illegals went, wages would go up
and our domestic bums would be forced to work
again. Lams is highly embarrassed that his own words
indict him.
These massive numbers of illegals were not “invited”
here, they illegally came. They need to be to sent back.
Nor do we need or want dubious guest worker welfare
programs, this is just a backdoor way to get illegals in.
The main cause is not corporations but the very lax
nonenforcement of our immigration laws.
TI, who are trying to fool by posting under “Aunty” ?
You have a gender identity problem ?
And Wolf, are confessing to pedophilism ?
Even for libs you people are sick dogs.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 5:10 PM Hi,y’all
bostonblackie aka ?,
I am not texasindependent. We are two different people. But, since you play some sort of ridiculous game which has been exposed, you will accuse others of it as well: as you did all throughout the summer of 2005. Oh, dear, dear, dear. I see, as well,you are back to accusing others of being pedophiles. Really, Jack Barnes, can’t you add any new tricks to your repertoire?
I would say to my fellow posters to take note of bostonblackie’s and blondemike’s posts. They are truly a study in pretentious imbecilty.
Ta-Ta !
Posted by Aunty Rightwing on Apr 24, 2007 at 5:22 PM ‘Two different people” I don’t think so.
Again, was Barnes your boyfriend who
jilted you, Senor ?
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 5:30 PM blondemike, etc.
I am not wrong: the Constitution (more specifically the Bill of Rights) regulates the actions of government with no distiction as to whether one is a citizen or not. In this case, people who are arrested are entitled to due process, NO MATTER WHAT THE STATUS OF THE ARRESTEE IS.
Please feel free to show me where it says anything about the government being able to do what they please with non-citizens.
Posted by lams712 on Apr 24, 2007 at 6:37 PM The companies are looking for cheap labor. You can’t blame them for needing workers. You can hold them accountable for following the law of the land which should be done. Most immigrants are not interested in staying here. They work and send money back to their families. The hopes being to save enough to build houses and business in their countries of birth.
Its a matter of facing reality. People need work. Mexico and Central America have little or no industry and the pay is dismal. America has a vast excess of labor intensive jobs that citizens won’t do. Immigration will happen legally or illegally. The only reasonable option is regulation.
The other ignored reason for immigration is the Marxist rebels prevalant in these countries. My cousins left Chiapas and came here LEGALLY to avoid forced servitude under that bastard Subcomandante Marcos. Leftists ignore the facts when they involve “peoples movements”. I don’t want to switch the substance of conversation but the facts are undeniable. Crushing these “movements” will allow more industry to move in which will increase avaliable jobs for the people who need them. Despite the glowing reports I have read on ITT the vast majority of people directly affected by this communist crap don’t want or need Marxism. Well over a million US citizens are of Tzootzils descent and want to help their countrymen but are unable to because of Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 24, 2007 at 7:05 PM You are wrong, you are thinking of the
Bill of Rights which is sole a limit on gov.
The Constitution specifically authorizes
that no person born abroad can become
Prez, that noncitizens can’t vote, that the
death penalty for treason is legal, that Congress
has the sole power to levy taxes and raise up
armies. etc.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 8:45 PM Iams, thanks to Bush that standard right of arrestees
has been voided via Guantanamo and Padilla.
TI, NAFTA has been a big problem, impoverishing
both Mexican farmers and US workers.
And don’t forget that long before the Zapatista Reds,
PRI was running a one party Communist state for 75 years.
If we cut off welfare here, our citizens would HAVE to get
off their Gringo butts and take these jobs.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 9:08 PM TI, did blondemike drive you off the board when
you were posting as “Scorp” ? I noticed that you
use several aliases including Scorp, Wolf, Natalie,
Wicky Woo, Aunty Fascist and Aunty Righty, just to
name the ones where you automatically give yourself
away.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 9:23 PM TI, would you please post your army discharge so
we can see if it’s an honorable one ? I have noticed
a clinically schizoid politics you promulgate here, you
mostly pose as a conservative but then we get the anti-white
tirades and the endorsement of discredited Soviet propaganda
such as the Auschwitz figures. So which is it ?
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 9:28 PM One other thing, 60% of all people in
ER’s in Baltimore are Mexicans. Why ?
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 24, 2007 at 9:32 PM Hi’y'all!
bostonblackie,
Don’t you have anything better to do than loiter about and try to provoke others with your blitherings? Accusing people of your own crimes is childish at best. More so, because you are the only one on this site who posts under multiple names. the archives are proof of that. However, since you appear to be incapable of research, we’ll let that pass. Some professor, indeed! Your rectangle state colleagues would be so disappointed! The “D” in Ph.D. must stand for dimwit or deluded. Like all rightwingers, you suffer from a disease called cranial-rectal conjunction. Now, go home and believe Sean Hannity, and leave the grown-ups to their big-people talk. Also, with each of your ridiculous accusations, through guilt by associations, you reveal more and more about your true character and I do not mean your aliases.
To the more thoughtful, or those who are actually thoughtful,
If I may, I’d like to offer an opinion about the illegal immigrants. Is not a desire to come to this country, braving a harsh desert and armed patrols, enough? I’ve always been under the impression that being an American was more than just a matter of birth; it was also a dream of laboring, sometimes in the cruelest of conditions, for the possibility of one day attaining success. If one did not attain it for themselves, then perhaps the opportunity would be there for one’s children.
The ardency of these immigrants to attain a better life is touching, making the scorn of complacent and ignorant chauvinists who react instead of reflecting all the more disgusting.These immigrants are more American than the lazy, hateful loudmouths who berate them, as well as the ignorant fools who blindly follow those hateful detractors. I can only wonder how some of those whose families came here at a time when their ancestors were despised would behave in that identical situation. I would love to see a Limbaugh fan do menial labor to make ends meet and be thankful instead of whine! One can only dream!
No matter, the immigrant issue is merely a distraction keeping the foolish mesmerised by an ugly bauble as their country is outsourced. Quasi-fascists complain about Mexicans taking good jobs, like tobacco chopping, away from Americans while GM fires 20,000 workers and moves its manufacturing plants to Mexico. Care for some bread to go with that circus? It also goes well with Kool-Aid!
May I also note that you, bostonblackie, left five posts, for which there was no reply, in less than an hour? That’s tragic! Won’t anyone else play with you that you have to pester us? Go to a bar and get drunk! Live a little! Maybe, I hope, you’ll also meet a woman.. or whatever you need. I’m sure others will agree that would be a tonic for you!
Ta-Ta!
Posted by Aunty Rightwing on Apr 25, 2007 at 4:20 AM This is what has happened over and over in regards to the immigration raids in California.
1. ICE will hold small raids.
2. The newspapers will start in with the poor illegal aliens being to scared to take their children to school.
3. Public meeting for the illegal aliens will be organized. In cities around the San Francisco Bay Area the police were involved coaching the illegal aliens how to circumvent the law. Many of the meetings were held in Spanish.
4. The honest people got upset and formed their own groups. Many visited their city councils. This is the link to one of the news stories of the aftermath.
http://www.marinij.com/ci_5569114
5. There will be proposals of making the city a sanctuary for illegals!
I’m sorry if I have offended any of you and I do wish you all the best with upcoming events.P.S. Many in the police departments here are glad to see us stand up to what has been happening to our nation. I’m sure they will be where you are to.
Posted by StokeyBob on Apr 25, 2007 at 5:41 AM “Quasi-fascists complain about Mexicans taking good jobs, like tobacco chopping, away from Americans while GM fires 20,000 workers and moves its manufacturing plants to Mexico. Care for some bread to go with that circus? It also goes well with Kool-Aid!”
Maquiladoras are the equvilant of modern sweatshops. Moving the American industrial base to Mexico with cheap labor was only one of the major downfalls of NAFTA. Staffing is done by local el jefes who recieve the whopping sum of 10 dollars per man per day from these global firms. The poor schmuck working twelve hour shifts might get 5 dollars a day for his troubles while jefe pockets five in profit.
Don’t get me wrong I love profit and am a born capitalist. But damm thats actually too much even for me. Unions are non-existant. OSHA and the EPA have no jurisdiction. The result is many workers come north despite the hardships to earn 2 or 3 dollars an hour here. You don’t need an accounting degree to figure out which is a better proposition when you need to feed your family.
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 25, 2007 at 5:50 AM Hi,y’all!
texasindependent,
I’m up late, working on a paper for my ENGL 534 class. I thought I’d pop in and see if our dear Jackie Boy( Jack Barnes, blondemike, bostonblackie) had left any more of his droppings on this thread. Apparently he goes to bed early. Good.
When one examines the history of the relations between business and politics of the last twenty-five years, one finds a disturbing concurrence. The republican party makes deals with management that ensure all profit except labor, jobs and more jobs leave the country, and the workers are left with a feeling of loss that is turned into hyper-patriotism of the xenophobic sort. Such misplaced anger.
Frankly,after the economic debacle that was the reagan administration, I’m shocked that anyone would allow such sordid practices to occur again . Alas, our populace can be fooled not all of the time, but too much of the time. The result is a repetition of debilitating economic trends. while the middle class dwindles and the working class is once again sodomized and forced to hum"Yankee Doodle” the whole time, the very rich lap the cream and use their tax cuts, which are to ostensibly build our economy to instead buy a third Lamborghini.
You can fool too many of the people
too much of the time
—James ThurberA fitting epitaph to our economy, don’t you think?
Ta-Ta!
Posted by Aunty Rightwing on Apr 25, 2007 at 8:07 AM Quick P.S.
What does anyone want to bet that old Jackie Boy will claim that all of the above posts were written by one person as he does? What further would anyone want to bet that he will use his standard methods of attack? A fool’s bet, but I just couldn’t resist!
Ta-Ta!
Posted by Aunty Rightwing on Apr 25, 2007 at 8:12 AM I believed the myth of Republicans and the cold evil capitalist when my Socialist parents read me Das Kapital as a child. Of course we were hungry because the United States wasn’t a workers paradise not because my parents were more concerned with El Salvador’s death squads, American nuclear weapons, and protesting these “issues” than feeding us. As I grew like all children I rejected my parents philosophy much to their dismay and turned to “The Dark Side”. Joined the military. Went to college on the GI bill and many long shifts as a caddy at the country club. Opened my first business and never looked back. Now I have my little empire, am a member of that same country club, and am silent partner in eight other minority owned businesses. Bought my parents a house in a gated community “bought with the blood of the proletariat” Unlike my deluded parents my siblings and I have achieved the American Dream. We all have realized Capitalism isn’t inherently evil. Taking advantage of the power it brings can be.
As my ancestral homeland is under the boot of neo-socialist terrorists I have a great disgust for any form of Marxist dogma. This does include the vast majority of progressive platforms. However unlike many on either side of this political divide I represent a shrinking centerist view. I am willing to listen to any idea as long as it will work.
The problem is as the Left moves past Stalin the center is forced right. As a Democrat until the 90’s I miss you guys. Its not even worth supporting good decent Democrats anymore. Its sad that crackpots like Dean, Pelosi, Kucinich, McKinney and Kerry have defaced and destroyed the party.
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 25, 2007 at 1:55 PM Ti, so are you Aunty today or TI ?
Both posts evidence serious mental illness
so it may not matter. It’s very nice that the
Government gave you all the special privileges
so you can be an expoliter yourself but why do
the rest of us care ? Is that “gated” community
a state institution ? Except for Kerry the dems
you list are ok, at least far better than that psycho
Bush.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 25, 2007 at 5:40 PM I’ve noticed TI aka Aunty aka Scorp aka Wolf
aka Wicky, that most of your people are in
“gated” communities. Hope your folks like
Huntsville. Do they get their bedpans changed
daily ?
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 25, 2007 at 6:00 PM NAFTA is an abject failure: remember when NAFTA was supposed to improve the Mexican economy to the point that we wouldn’t have an immigration problem because the Mexicans would stay in Mexico for those quality jobs??? And what about those GREAT improvements to the US and Canadian economies??? It’s now 13 1/2 years later and I’m still waiting to see these “benefits of free trade”.
TI you couldn’t be more wrong. The Democrats you dismiss as “crackpots” are the backbone of the Democratic Party and reflect the more progressive direction the US needs to get out if this neo-con funk we are in. You consider yourself a “centrist”. Like HELL. You are nearly as bad as blondemike (or whatever he’s calling himself these days): a right winger. No offense. At least your arguments are somewhat intelligent.
I am personally sick and tired of all of these right winger HIJACKING my forums. ITT is a LEFT-WING magazine. There are a lot of right forums out there for you to pollute. Why can’t you all practice what you supposedly preach: the libertarian motto of “live and let live”?
Posted by lams712 on Apr 25, 2007 at 7:28 PM TI “intelligent” ? ! You gotta be kidding.
Just looked up his racist rants against
all Arabs posted here. As far as boards
go we really don’t need your permission
to post here, iams. You are as viciously
intolerant as some of the mental cases
on the “objectivist” boards I just came across.
We agree on NAFTA.
Posted by bostonblackie on Apr 25, 2007 at 7:45 PM Hi, Y’all!
bostonblackie,
You’ve called TI a racist while calling him a greaser? This Halloween, will you go out dressed as a pot or a kettle?
In addition, you keep saying that TI and myself are the same person. Are you stoned or just profoundly stupid? Again, we are two different people. Keep reading this until it lodges in your brain. You are the only one here who posts under two different names. Granted, I altered mine. That’s not the same thing, though.
Also, try to add something to these posts other than mindless ad hominem and John Birch Society rhetoric, which has become laughable since Watergate and the trait of fascist buffoons. You’re probably smarter than your posts indicate.Your posts are not insulting or, really, irritating. They’re more like chewing gum on the sidewalk that one avoids and wonders what sort of rude poltroon would leave it there.
Now,if you must, call Ti and myself the same person and subject everyone here to another of you silly graffito. We can’t think any less of you.
Ta-Ta!
Posted by Aunty Rightwing on Apr 26, 2007 at 3:36 AM Lams
You will believe what you want to believe. I see it as a hijacking of my party by far left crackpots. You see it as “a move towards a progressive direction” Same thing. The Party changed radically in the 90’s and became a destructive force to individual liberties in the name of progress.
I helped elect Democratic Reps from my county for almost 14 years. I was a registered Democrat. But progressives hijacking the party of the common man and turing it into a special interest party lost my vote.. Why support Blue Dogs or Centerists and aid the Progressives?
Posted by texasindependent on Apr 27, 2007 at 4:44 AM Hey FUCK YOU texasasshole!!!!
To say that JOHN KERRY is some kind of lefty show YOU DON’T KNOW JACKSHIT ABOUT POLITICS.
Go to your Republican-lite loving faction any GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FORUMS. Your pseudo-intellectual poison can be better served at some other website.
Posted by lams712 on May 1, 2007 at 4:12 AM Damm lams. Don’t harsh your buzz dude.
If your pseudo-intellectal dogshit doesn’t win over the center you are doomed to eternal crackpot status as the fringe. If you want ” a more progressive America” which is lefty code for huge tax increases and beauracracy you will never get the centerist Democratic or Republican vote. Go vote Green…....Asshole
Posted by texasindependent on May 1, 2007 at 4:56 AM texasjackass:
You need to be honest with your name. It should be texasrepublican or texasrigtwinger. You are the intellectually dishonest one. If you believe the oversimplified right-wing meme of “progressive” =“high taxes & bureaucracy” then that just just how clueless you are. (of course, actually thinking beyond oversimplified soundbites is beyond people on the right).The fact that you spout righty talking points tells me that you are not some “registered Democrat” but some right-wing provocateur who highjacks lefty forums. FUCK YOU AND YOUR KIND. GO FIND A “CENTERIST DEMOCRATIC or REPUBLICAN” site if that’s what you love so much. Your recitation of Republican talking points is not wanted or needed. WE DON’T NEED a REPUBLICAN-LITE Democratic Party. Conservatives like you already have a place: It’s called the REPUBLICAN PARTY. SO GO FUCK OFF ALREADY!!!!!!!
Posted by lams712 on May 1, 2007 at 3:42 PM Iams712, your last two posts here show a lack of respect.
Please remember that we are all guests of ITT at their forums and they have asked us to be respectful in our comments.
Posted by David in Canuckistan on May 1, 2007 at 8:34 PM Its ok David. This just illustrates the battle occuring within the Democratic party today. Its not going to change until the fringe is swept back under the rug. Lams is just another “progressive” agitator pushing a selfish agenda for special interest groups. Like all the others their platform is weak and ridiculous so their tactic to spread their ignorance is violence and foul language. After Iraq is finished his ilk will be kicked back to the Green and Communists and moderates can take back the party.
Posted by texasindependent on May 2, 2007 at 12:09 PM David in Canuckistan I apologize for the harshness, it’s an expression of my extreme frustration with fakers. I contend that texasjackass is NOT your typical “moderate” long-time Democrat, but a right-wing Republican who trolls left-leaning websites and spreads his propaganda. He is what we call a “concern troll”. They pretend that they are (or were) one of us but then spout off Republican talking points on nearly every issue because they are so “concerned” about the well being of the party. I’m sorry that things are going to probably get uglier before they get better.
FUCK OFF texasjackass!!! Way to dodge the issues, you just resort to redbaiting. Your Republican-lite vision for the party has been an abject failure. Instead of expressing your “concern” for Democrats drifting to the “left”, WHY NOT take your case to the Republicans and admonish them for DRIFTING TOO FAR TO THE RIGHT. If being a “moderate” is so great, you should have NO problem selling what you have to the Republicans. Of course all of that is irrelevant considering the fact that you are a Republican troll. GO AWAY!!!!!! You have been “outed” as the troll that you are. Now go create another account and spread your bullshit under another name until you get caught AGAIN.
Posted by lams712 on May 3, 2007 at 4:07 AM What issues Lams you metrosexual progressive freak! You havent done anything but spout bullshit and accusations. You have no idea of my politics or voting record you ignorant bastard. You are the poser in this forum. Half baked dimwit psuedo-intellectual surrender monkey.
Your ilk are a boil on the Democratic party’s ass. California elitist slime crawling out to berate the lack ” of a progressive direction” . You do not represent me or the vast majority of the Democratic party. Shit on progressives and the Marxist bullshit for which they stand. Go vote Green or Communist Lams.
Its time to take back the party from these insane dogmatic knuckleheads. The Democratic party is not this pansy ass liberal bleeding heart bullshit you keep spreading. Its protecting working class people from terrorists. Its keeping our jobs here at home. Its insuring equal protection under the law for every citizen. Its keeping the price of gas down. Its tough on crime and tough on foreign policy.
LBJ would kick Howard Dean in the nutsack for his treasonous bile. Andrew Jackson would burn the DNC to the ground if he could hear the ignorant pacifistic crap Kucinich is blabbing. A PEACE department. How fucking stupid. Why not throw billions of our hard earned tax dollars into a pile and set it on fire. If you pompous windbags would go to work….Oh wait. Thats for knuckledraggers right.
Progressives make me physically ill. I feel the urge to vomit with every new low you spew out. You have desecrated the party and alienated millions of centerist voters who want a change. Just not a Marxist inspired change. So what the fuck are we going to do Lams? Your the brillant jackass in charge correct? You want us all to vote Republican because we hate your platforms, policies, politics, and inspiration?
Posted by texasindependent on May 3, 2007 at 6:57 PM texasasshole:
I want you to vote Republican because you are a Republican. I have outed you as a troll. You are so full of shit on your arguments that that is the ONLY possible explanation for your complete and utter lack of knowledge of the Democratic Party. I’M THE ONE THAT’S DESECRATED THE PARTY????? I’M THE ONE who wants us to RETURN TO OUR MODERN ROOTS—-you know FDR and all that. YOU ARE THE TRAITOROUS ONE who has spurned the DEMOCRATIC Party. You and your ilk are the ones that vote Republican. LBJ would embrace Howard Dean as his own son. Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson would admonish people like you for betraying their party.
Yeah, PEACE is just CRAZY, seeing as how “only” 70% of Americans now OPPOSE THE WAR IN IRAQ.FUCK YOU, Republican TROLL. Go get another alias so we can play this cat and mouse game again.
Posted by lams712 on May 3, 2007 at 8:45 PM Lams.
Iraq is a temporary problem. What the fuck are you goofs going to do when it is over? No one cares about your pacifistic bullshit. Crawl back under your California elitist rock.
Posted by texasindependent on May 6, 2007 at 5:14 PM Deport all illegals. Period. Kudos to ICE!!! Job well done!!!
Goosestep down Mainstreet, USA. Create enough fear and uncertainty, and there will be plenty of self-deports.
Get in the back of the line where you belong. After you’ve waited your turn like everybody else, then, maybe, you will be respected. We don’t respect illegals who take care of every program and benefit they can.
It’s no wonder you illegals hide in the shadows. You have no respect. You don’t deserve it.
Posted by cessna on May 31, 2007 at 3:53 AM I wonder how America would react if a class action suit was brought agaisnt our government by all the people trying to get into this country legally for discrimination. I’d like to see it happen. We should have a rule of law that applies to all, not some. Illegal immigrants are not just from south of the border either.
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