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“Black students constituted 50 percent of the student body, but more than 77 percent of arrests”
If we add crap like the statement above, we should also add in how often the particular demographic causes problems. More than likely, the number of black arrests is too low statistically rather than too high.
Of course, the real problem is not with the schools, but rather with parents who are absent, criminal, abusive, etc.
Posted by wolf on Sep 4, 2007 at 9:10 AM
Wolf is right about laying the blame back on the parents. A child acts in public like he is reared at home.
Back in the 50’s, when I attended public schools in Texas, Principals had the authority to paddle a student that misbehaved in class. No cops patrolled the hallways, and were seldom seen on campus. And when you went home and cried to momma about the mean Principal, daddy tore your butt up when he got home.
But that isn’t politically correct any more.
Now, we have armed cops patrolling most urban campuses.
Two years ago, an Asian youth (16) knocked on a door in his neighborhood (Dallas suburb) and shot and killed the person who answered the knock. No grudge, no motive other than he wanted to kill someone.
His daddy said that it was the fault of the teacher’s for not doing something.
‘Course, I guess if I had raised a sociopathic monster, I’d want to blame someone else as well.
Another telling incident in Dallas ISD involved one female teacher leaving her classroom and going to another school and assaulting another female teacher, in class, for daring to tell her daughter that she needed to be in class rather than talking in the hall.
The parents noted in this article seem to be doing a good thing. But not all parents are as involved nor as caring about what goes on in school.
And those parents are the root of the problem.
Posted by farmer on Sep 4, 2007 at 1:18 PM
I’ve been in the classroom for 22 years. Public, private, rich kids, broke kids, dozens of cultures and demographics, schools with gang-violence issues, racial conflict issues, issues of substandard educational practices, labor-district issues, budgetary shortfall issues, religio-cultural issues, you name it, I’ve seen it.
Rephrasing what has been said (but that is apparently lost upon legions of parents) into the form of a pointed charge, I ask: If you all don’t teach your kids the limits of decent behavior at home, how in the bloody hell do you expect us in the classroom to do anything with them, other than crowd control (to the extent that we can control 3 dozen or so rowdy teens who know damn well their mommies and daddies will never back the teacher, no matter how obnoxious they act)?
Also…
“The growing movement for restorative justice in schools is partially a response to
Posted by Kuya on Sep 4, 2007 at 8:02 PM
“How about you all actually raise your damn kids with values other than self-indulgence and American-style feelgoodism.”
Hi Kuya - Thanks for being on the front line in the classrooms. I could not agree more with your quote above (as the father of 4).
Posted by wolf on Sep 5, 2007 at 7:46 AM
Wolf, Farmer, Kuya,
Right on! I wish you were on our school board.
Back in my grade school days in the forties two brothers who lived up the block were expelled from our school for continued disruption.
They were sent to the Catholic school where the nuns were totally in charge. They both learned to toe the line, avoided graduation to reform school and became good, hard working citizens.
Kids need structure and limits. If they don’t get it at home where they should and schools have their hands tied, the kids are the ultimate losers.
Posted by whattheheck on Sep 5, 2007 at 11:35 AM
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“Black students constituted 50 percent of the student body, but more than 77 percent of arrests”
If we add crap like the statement above, we should also add in how often the particular demographic causes problems. More than likely, the number of black arrests is too low statistically rather than too high.
Of course, the real problem is not with the schools, but rather with parents who are absent, criminal, abusive, etc.
Wolf is right about laying the blame back on the parents. A child acts in public like he is reared at home.
Back in the 50’s, when I attended public schools in Texas, Principals had the authority to paddle a student that misbehaved in class. No cops patrolled the hallways, and were seldom seen on campus. And when you went home and cried to momma about the mean Principal, daddy tore your butt up when he got home.
But that isn’t politically correct any more.
Now, we have armed cops patrolling most urban campuses.
Two years ago, an Asian youth (16) knocked on a door in his neighborhood (Dallas suburb) and shot and killed the person who answered the knock. No grudge, no motive other than he wanted to kill someone.
His daddy said that it was the fault of the teacher’s for not doing something.
‘Course, I guess if I had raised a sociopathic monster, I’d want to blame someone else as well.
Another telling incident in Dallas ISD involved one female teacher leaving her classroom and going to another school and assaulting another female teacher, in class, for daring to tell her daughter that she needed to be in class rather than talking in the hall.
The parents noted in this article seem to be doing a good thing. But not all parents are as involved nor as caring about what goes on in school.
And those parents are the root of the problem.
I’ve been in the classroom for 22 years. Public, private, rich kids, broke kids, dozens of cultures and demographics, schools with gang-violence issues, racial conflict issues, issues of substandard educational practices, labor-district issues, budgetary shortfall issues, religio-cultural issues, you name it, I’ve seen it.
Rephrasing what has been said (but that is apparently lost upon legions of parents) into the form of a pointed charge, I ask: If you all don’t teach your kids the limits of decent behavior at home, how in the bloody hell do you expect us in the classroom to do anything with them, other than crowd control (to the extent that we can control 3 dozen or so rowdy teens who know damn well their mommies and daddies will never back the teacher, no matter how obnoxious they act)?
Also…
“The growing movement for restorative justice in schools is partially a response to
“How about you all actually raise your damn kids with values other than self-indulgence and American-style feelgoodism.”
Hi Kuya - Thanks for being on the front line in the classrooms. I could not agree more with your quote above (as the father of 4).
Wolf, Farmer, Kuya,
Right on! I wish you were on our school board.
Back in my grade school days in the forties two brothers who lived up the block were expelled from our school for continued disruption.
They were sent to the Catholic school where the nuns were totally in charge. They both learned to toe the line, avoided graduation to reform school and became good, hard working citizens.
Kids need structure and limits. If they don’t get it at home where they should and schools have their hands tied, the kids are the ultimate losers.
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