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It is business as usual in Detroit.The CEO’s get golden parachutes,even when they are inept and or just plain corrupt and the workers get no guarantees of healthcare or even of jobs.These people ,in the leadership of automobile making are so short sighted that Japan and Korea can easily out manuever U.S. automakers and take control of sales in this country and the world.We are in desperate times in this country and we are on the verge of much worse times,financially,environmentally,and politically. We need to make radical changes to our way of life and develope more mass transit,smaller mor efficient cars and the use of renewable energy to power those cars.We have done wonderful things in the past and we MUST start now to change our way of living.
Posted by eddiemyboy1 on Nov 14, 2007 at 5:41 AM
Leftists in eastern Connecticut find it disheartening that The Treaty of Detroit is not honored by a sovereignty attributable to treaties pre-dating the colonial revolution. The Mashantucket Pequots, federally-sanctioned operators of the monstrously profitable Foxwoods Casino, now face an organizing drive by the UAW focusing on the casino’s dealers. Earlier this week, the casino’s management purchased a full-page ad in local newspapers that purpoted to factually explain the UAW’s intent and purpose with this organizing drive. Sadly, Mr. Moberg’s on-point analysis, as evidenced by this report, was not available to the newspapers’ readership. Even more sadly, it very probably will not be made available to the highschool-aged children of working-class parents who are attending public schools, where curriculums continue to portray personal intiative and enterprise as honorable, self-indulgent egomaniacal behaviors unrelated to obligatory redemptions of social responsibility. Will our children ever be taught that it is unconscionable to proffer employment that does not provide a living wage and democratic threshholds of personal security? More likely they will learn that employing illegal immigrants is good business, unions are evil, and chambers of commerce are social-service agencies. So it goes.
Posted by Bud Wizer on Nov 14, 2007 at 6:56 AM
We have exactly what we produce. No more, no less.
The distribution of our products depends exactly on the attractiveness of those products: style, comfort, price, whatever. The fact that the automobile producers have achieved some degree success and prosperity is an exact measurement of their customers satisfaction with those products.
No discussion of the auto industry after WWII is valid unless you understand the role of Robert Strange McNamara and W. Edwards Deming.
You know Robert Strange McNamara. He was the one who brought you the Edsel and Vietnam.
Who the hell was W. Edwards Deming? If you are an American, you probably do not know. If you are Japanese, you definitely do know. The Deming Prize is an annual industrial award for the greatest contribution to Japanese quality and productivity.
After WWII, old Strange preached cheapness and mass production.
Old Edwards could not find support for his views on quality in the USA, and went to Japan and taught them quality control.
Now Toyota is the biggest automotive company in the world, and the signatories of the Treaty of Detroit are sucking wind. Whose fault is that?
Quality sells. Edwards and Toyota understand that. McNamara and Detroit do not understand that. So sad.
Posted by scorp on Nov 14, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Good point scorp, but I would add that the McNamarra model was not so much a production model as a social and political model, one that ensured a particular versoin of the US post war social settlement. It’s time is indeed over, but the casues of that go much further than the fact that Detroit refuses to produce vehicles that people want to buy. it is as much an outcome that the 1950’s and 60’s are long over, and that the model McNamara and the rest of the cold war liberals strived go cement in the US is one that the US establishemnt no longer has a use for, much in the way that US motorists no longer have a use for big clunky gas guzzling cars.
Let’s face it, the US is now entering the end time of the post war, post cold war period, and the settling up is going to be painful for everybody except those at the top of the tree.
Posted by Jane Doe on Nov 18, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Jane -
... but I would add that the McNamarra (sic) model was not so much a production model as a social and political model, one that ensured a particular versoin (sic) of the US post war social settlement.
Well, no. You would be entirely mistaken. McNamara was numerical-analytical (and anal retentive), and showed no awareness of social factors at all. His engagement in politics was incidental to his fearsome reputation as an analyst, and his catastrophic political failures were a direct result of the inapplicability of his analytical methods to political and social problems. But he had JFK and LBJ snowed, just as he had previously snowed the entire American automobile industry.
McNamara’s reputation at Ford was such that, when he made a mistake, the entire industry followed him. Thus McNamara determined that a car with five minor defects was acceptable, in that it was more cost effective to correct those defects at the dealer or the maintenance level, or leave them uncorrected as the case might be, rather than to pay the cost of quality.
This, of course, was exactly opposite what Demings was teaching the Japanese. Consequently, the Japanese went in a very few short years from a reputation for cheap low-tech stuff to extremely hi-tech, quality products. When Detroit realized what was happening in Japan, they had to struggle to play catch-up while saddled with unions that were more interested in building their bureaucracy than in building cars. Just as educators are more interested in building their bureaucracies than in teaching children.
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It is business as usual in Detroit.The CEO’s get golden parachutes,even when they are inept and or just plain corrupt and the workers get no guarantees of healthcare or even of jobs.These people ,in the leadership of automobile making are so short sighted that Japan and Korea can easily out manuever U.S. automakers and take control of sales in this country and the world.We are in desperate times in this country and we are on the verge of much worse times,financially,environmentally,and politically. We need to make radical changes to our way of life and develope more mass transit,smaller mor efficient cars and the use of renewable energy to power those cars.We have done wonderful things in the past and we MUST start now to change our way of living.
Leftists in eastern Connecticut find it disheartening that The Treaty of Detroit is not honored by a sovereignty attributable to treaties pre-dating the colonial revolution. The Mashantucket Pequots, federally-sanctioned operators of the monstrously profitable Foxwoods Casino, now face an organizing drive by the UAW focusing on the casino’s dealers. Earlier this week, the casino’s management purchased a full-page ad in local newspapers that purpoted to factually explain the UAW’s intent and purpose with this organizing drive. Sadly, Mr. Moberg’s on-point analysis, as evidenced by this report, was not available to the newspapers’ readership. Even more sadly, it very probably will not be made available to the highschool-aged children of working-class parents who are attending public schools, where curriculums continue to portray personal intiative and enterprise as honorable, self-indulgent egomaniacal behaviors unrelated to obligatory redemptions of social responsibility. Will our children ever be taught that it is unconscionable to proffer employment that does not provide a living wage and democratic threshholds of personal security? More likely they will learn that employing illegal immigrants is good business, unions are evil, and chambers of commerce are social-service agencies. So it goes.
We have exactly what we produce. No more, no less.
The distribution of our products depends exactly on the attractiveness of those products: style, comfort, price, whatever. The fact that the automobile producers have achieved some degree success and prosperity is an exact measurement of their customers satisfaction with those products.
No discussion of the auto industry after WWII is valid unless you understand the role of Robert Strange McNamara and W. Edwards Deming.
You know Robert Strange McNamara. He was the one who brought you the Edsel and Vietnam.
Who the hell was W. Edwards Deming? If you are an American, you probably do not know. If you are Japanese, you definitely do know. The Deming Prize is an annual industrial award for the greatest contribution to Japanese quality and productivity.
After WWII, old Strange preached cheapness and mass production.
Old Edwards could not find support for his views on quality in the USA, and went to Japan and taught them quality control.
Now Toyota is the biggest automotive company in the world, and the signatories of the Treaty of Detroit are sucking wind. Whose fault is that?
Quality sells. Edwards and Toyota understand that. McNamara and Detroit do not understand that. So sad.
Good point scorp, but I would add that the McNamarra model was not so much a production model as a social and political model, one that ensured a particular versoin of the US post war social settlement. It’s time is indeed over, but the casues of that go much further than the fact that Detroit refuses to produce vehicles that people want to buy. it is as much an outcome that the 1950’s and 60’s are long over, and that the model McNamara and the rest of the cold war liberals strived go cement in the US is one that the US establishemnt no longer has a use for, much in the way that US motorists no longer have a use for big clunky gas guzzling cars.
Let’s face it, the US is now entering the end time of the post war, post cold war period, and the settling up is going to be painful for everybody except those at the top of the tree.
Jane -
Well, no. You would be entirely mistaken. McNamara was numerical-analytical (and anal retentive), and showed no awareness of social factors at all. His engagement in politics was incidental to his fearsome reputation as an analyst, and his catastrophic political failures were a direct result of the inapplicability of his analytical methods to political and social problems. But he had JFK and LBJ snowed, just as he had previously snowed the entire American automobile industry.
McNamara’s reputation at Ford was such that, when he made a mistake, the entire industry followed him. Thus McNamara determined that a car with five minor defects was acceptable, in that it was more cost effective to correct those defects at the dealer or the maintenance level, or leave them uncorrected as the case might be, rather than to pay the cost of quality.
This, of course, was exactly opposite what Demings was teaching the Japanese. Consequently, the Japanese went in a very few short years from a reputation for cheap low-tech stuff to extremely hi-tech, quality products. When Detroit realized what was happening in Japan, they had to struggle to play catch-up while saddled with unions that were more interested in building their bureaucracy than in building cars. Just as educators are more interested in building their bureaucracies than in teaching children.
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