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With all due respect to your considerable experience and expertise, madam, the problem, as this white writer has observed, is much deeper than “the numbers.” Calling for the number of persons of color working as prominent journalists to be proportionate with the census data on our melting pot’s ethnic stew insults, as we former and present mainstream journalists know, the intellectual threshold that should be journalism’s requisite credential. As a glance at the blacks holding prominent seats in mainstream journalism’s ranks reveals, there aren’t many Angela Davises among them and too many of the black males have iced their souls rather than lit the fire of burning spears that once marked a generation of young black men’s and women’s understanding of how the system was working to keep them from fully perceiving its pernicious racism. It would appear that the larger problem is how young, black writers are recognized as talented. I would guess that few journalism professors have observed a reminder of Bobby Seale or Huey Newton in their classrooms. During my brief but hugely enlightening experience with The Black Panthers of Oakland not long after the year that our cities were afire, I came to realize that fiery rage was not considered respectable and would not long be sanctioned by academia or the brokers of our information industries. Even forty years ago, when I would have called you “sister,” it was obvious that CBS and PBS weren’t going to hire Angela. We are lucky to have you; but Gwen Ifill taking on Imus is not that big a deal. When last did she update us on Mumia or Pelletier? It’s content, not politeness, that arouses movement. Stokely was brilliant, not well-educated. Token blacks mark our times. Token radical blacks are unheard of. In the mainstream, we swim the same or are swept aside. It
Posted by Bud Wizer on Feb 21, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Why stop with only proportionate representation by race? There seems to be a distinct shortage in the media of Swedish decent. Does anyone care?
Calls for quotas, group representation and diversity will do little for equality in the treatment of individuals. If we abide by percentages of population which minority athletes do we cut? Such continued fragmentation as affirmative action offers no long term aid in eliminating bad feelings toward each other.
Posted by whattheheck on Feb 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Surely you don’t mean to compare African-Americans, a group of Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Africa, to Swedish-Americans, a group of Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Sweden.To be consistent, you need to compare countries to countries and continents to continents (apples to apples and oranges to oranges). Either way, I’m sure you’ll find proportionately more Swedish-Americans than, say, Moroccan-Americans employed in the media. In other words, if Swedish-Americans represent x percent of the population and Moroccan-Americans represent y percent of the population, then you can be reasonably certain that Swedish-Americans and Moroccan-Americans represent w and z percent, respectively, of the population of people employed in the media, where w>>x and z<<y. I don’t mean to needlessly confuse you with irrelevant appeals to logic. Judging from the general vacuity of your comments, your confusion appears to be obvious regardless of any input I or anyone else might provide. The author asserts that proportionately more European-Americans are employed by the media than are African-Americans. Although you apparently agree with the statement, your final response is, nevertheless, “Who cares?” Well, of course, most of the rest of us do care. You can’t begin to rectify disparities of inequality until you actually see the people who experience the inequality. To paraphrase your final, fatuous, unsubstantiated assertion, “calls for quotas, group representation and diversity will do a lot for inequality in the treatment of individuals.”
Posted by Major Major on Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02 PM
MajorMajor,
Yes, you are right and I apologize. My comparison was more like one apple from the bushel to an entire basket.
Also, instead of Swedes
Posted by whattheheck on Feb 23, 2008 at 7:35 AM
There’s a reason for instituting a policy of proportional minority representation among the members of the media, aside from eliciting the usual racist complaints from conservatives concerning politically correct displays of aberrant behavior. If we can see members of minority groups who are intelligent, compassionate, talented and professionally capable (like journalists, newscasters, film directors—in short, us), then we become less likely to relegate them to the margins of social irrelevance (drug dealers, addicts, gangbangers, unwed mothers, welfare recipients—in short, them). In fact, the boundary between us and them begins to erode to the extent that many of us may feel motivated to question its existence in the first place. Who benefits from the disproportionate allocation of whites among us? Who suffers from the disproportionate allocation of blacks among them?
Posted by Major Major on Feb 23, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Hmmm, come on, Major
Posted by whattheheck on Feb 24, 2008 at 8:05 AM
Wtf,Wth…
You don’t complain about all those disproportionately positive representations of white, or male, or straight, or Christian, or conservative images which constantly reinforce our predisposition to include and tolerate the social dominance of whites, or males, or straights, or Christians or conservatives. It’s only when non-whites, or women, or queers, or atheists and moslems, or liberals and socialists and anarchists are included among the ranks of social acceptance and political consensus that you begin the question the wisdom of liberal tolerance, and condemn blacks for their violence, women for their support for abortion, queers for their refusal to procreate, atheists and moslems for their rejection of a Christian god, and liberals, socialists and anarchists for their insistence upon social and communal responsibility.
Nobody thinks of dominated people in terms of their criminal predispositions. It’s a gut reaction reinforced by feelings of hatred, guilt and fear. Northern Irish Protestants collaborated with the English in their invasion and occupation of Ireland. With the withdrawal of English troops from Ireland to Northern Ireland, the Irish Protestants understood that outside of Northern Ireland they were outnumbered and despised for their support for and dependence upon the English conquest of Ireland, and that their dominant status could only be maintained in a state where they outnumbered the Catholics. Not many people thought about the roots of sectarian violence, but most of them felt the hatred and fear which reinforced their feelings of guilt for the atrocities committed during the conquest and occupation and subsequent withdrawal from Ireland. Until they recognize the guilt they share for the crimes committed by their government and act to resolve and rectify them, the violence will continue until one side or the other, or both, is exterminated.
So, yes, reparations are required; and not the feeble reparations which masquerade as welfare handouts from the dominant rich to the dominated poor, but ones which include and accept the dominated among the ranks of the dominant.
Bill Cosby? Gimme a break. He achieved his status from the exploitation of urban black male stereotypes, and currently maintains that status by…what? All together now: exploiting urban black male stereotypes. You need boots to lift yourself by the bootstraps, and people willing to let you keep them until you do.
Posted by Major Major on Feb 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM
MM,
You’re way out of bounds in your assumptions.
You know nothing much about me, but believe you can list what or who I complain about and do not complain about.
You have slapped a bunch of labels on me — racist, sexist, religious bigot and yet you know notning more of my religious views than you do of my blood type. Apparently you reserve the right for yourself to determine what is just.
Your rant covers just about all topics on which anyone may have an alternative opinion. Oh, you left out gun control. (How the hell did we end up in Ireland?)
My contention is quite simple:
I believe each person should be evaluated on his own behavior, ability and acceptance of responsibility for his speech and actions. I don’t think we should increase or limit the number of minorities (racial, gender, religious or sexual preference) in the media.
You singled out Cosby and made no comment about anyone else, does that mean you would want to allow only those minorities you agree with to be included in the media?
I must say your attitude is disappointing and I will grade you as unsatisfactory on this topic.
Posted by whattheheck on Feb 26, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Major Major, to say that black people’s ancestors “emigrated from Africa” sounds very civilized, but you know better: they were hunted, chained and sold and later exploited
Posted by Maria on Feb 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Technically, legalized assault, kidnapping and forced servitude can easily be construed as emigration, as people like Wolf and whattheheck, with tongues firmly planted in their chubby cheeks, will gleefully confirm. Why else would they equate affirmative action to reverse discrimination?
Posted by Major Major on Feb 28, 2008 at 7:53 AM
Washingtons comments on the composition of the presscorp
strike me as somewhat anacronistic.The complexity and vapidity
of the media landscape seems to suggest that we need to do more than reflect ourselves in a mirror .The media needs to communicate a
message that speaks to the richness and diversity of the country in which we live.
Posted by headed on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM
The media is the message. Presently, the message is white, middle-class, male, straight, Christian and conservative, complaining about gangbangers, femianazis, AIDS, Islamofascists and the liberal drive-by media.
Posted by Major Major on Feb 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM
I totally agree that most of the rest of us do care. “You can’t begin to rectify disparities of inequality until you actually see the people who experience the inequality. “
Thanks,
Jake Hall
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With all due respect to your considerable experience and expertise, madam, the problem, as this white writer has observed, is much deeper than “the numbers.” Calling for the number of persons of color working as prominent journalists to be proportionate with the census data on our melting pot’s ethnic stew insults, as we former and present mainstream journalists know, the intellectual threshold that should be journalism’s requisite credential. As a glance at the blacks holding prominent seats in mainstream journalism’s ranks reveals, there aren’t many Angela Davises among them and too many of the black males have iced their souls rather than lit the fire of burning spears that once marked a generation of young black men’s and women’s understanding of how the system was working to keep them from fully perceiving its pernicious racism. It would appear that the larger problem is how young, black writers are recognized as talented. I would guess that few journalism professors have observed a reminder of Bobby Seale or Huey Newton in their classrooms. During my brief but hugely enlightening experience with The Black Panthers of Oakland not long after the year that our cities were afire, I came to realize that fiery rage was not considered respectable and would not long be sanctioned by academia or the brokers of our information industries. Even forty years ago, when I would have called you “sister,” it was obvious that CBS and PBS weren’t going to hire Angela. We are lucky to have you; but Gwen Ifill taking on Imus is not that big a deal. When last did she update us on Mumia or Pelletier? It’s content, not politeness, that arouses movement. Stokely was brilliant, not well-educated. Token blacks mark our times. Token radical blacks are unheard of. In the mainstream, we swim the same or are swept aside. It
Why stop with only proportionate representation by race? There seems to be a distinct shortage in the media of Swedish decent. Does anyone care?
Calls for quotas, group representation and diversity will do little for equality in the treatment of individuals. If we abide by percentages of population which minority athletes do we cut? Such continued fragmentation as affirmative action offers no long term aid in eliminating bad feelings toward each other.
Surely you don’t mean to compare African-Americans, a group of Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Africa, to Swedish-Americans, a group of Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Sweden.To be consistent, you need to compare countries to countries and continents to continents (apples to apples and oranges to oranges). Either way, I’m sure you’ll find proportionately more Swedish-Americans than, say, Moroccan-Americans employed in the media. In other words, if Swedish-Americans represent x percent of the population and Moroccan-Americans represent y percent of the population, then you can be reasonably certain that Swedish-Americans and Moroccan-Americans represent w and z percent, respectively, of the population of people employed in the media, where w>>x and z<<y. I don’t mean to needlessly confuse you with irrelevant appeals to logic. Judging from the general vacuity of your comments, your confusion appears to be obvious regardless of any input I or anyone else might provide. The author asserts that proportionately more European-Americans are employed by the media than are African-Americans. Although you apparently agree with the statement, your final response is, nevertheless, “Who cares?” Well, of course, most of the rest of us do care. You can’t begin to rectify disparities of inequality until you actually see the people who experience the inequality. To paraphrase your final, fatuous, unsubstantiated assertion, “calls for quotas, group representation and diversity will do a lot for inequality in the treatment of individuals.”
MajorMajor,
Yes, you are right and I apologize. My comparison was more like one apple from the bushel to an entire basket.
Also, instead of Swedes
There’s a reason for instituting a policy of proportional minority representation among the members of the media, aside from eliciting the usual racist complaints from conservatives concerning politically correct displays of aberrant behavior. If we can see members of minority groups who are intelligent, compassionate, talented and professionally capable (like journalists, newscasters, film directors—in short, us), then we become less likely to relegate them to the margins of social irrelevance (drug dealers, addicts, gangbangers, unwed mothers, welfare recipients—in short, them). In fact, the boundary between us and them begins to erode to the extent that many of us may feel motivated to question its existence in the first place. Who benefits from the disproportionate allocation of whites among us? Who suffers from the disproportionate allocation of blacks among them?
Hmmm, come on, Major
Wtf,Wth…
You don’t complain about all those disproportionately positive representations of white, or male, or straight, or Christian, or conservative images which constantly reinforce our predisposition to include and tolerate the social dominance of whites, or males, or straights, or Christians or conservatives. It’s only when non-whites, or women, or queers, or atheists and moslems, or liberals and socialists and anarchists are included among the ranks of social acceptance and political consensus that you begin the question the wisdom of liberal tolerance, and condemn blacks for their violence, women for their support for abortion, queers for their refusal to procreate, atheists and moslems for their rejection of a Christian god, and liberals, socialists and anarchists for their insistence upon social and communal responsibility.
Nobody thinks of dominated people in terms of their criminal predispositions. It’s a gut reaction reinforced by feelings of hatred, guilt and fear. Northern Irish Protestants collaborated with the English in their invasion and occupation of Ireland. With the withdrawal of English troops from Ireland to Northern Ireland, the Irish Protestants understood that outside of Northern Ireland they were outnumbered and despised for their support for and dependence upon the English conquest of Ireland, and that their dominant status could only be maintained in a state where they outnumbered the Catholics. Not many people thought about the roots of sectarian violence, but most of them felt the hatred and fear which reinforced their feelings of guilt for the atrocities committed during the conquest and occupation and subsequent withdrawal from Ireland. Until they recognize the guilt they share for the crimes committed by their government and act to resolve and rectify them, the violence will continue until one side or the other, or both, is exterminated.
So, yes, reparations are required; and not the feeble reparations which masquerade as welfare handouts from the dominant rich to the dominated poor, but ones which include and accept the dominated among the ranks of the dominant.
Bill Cosby? Gimme a break. He achieved his status from the exploitation of urban black male stereotypes, and currently maintains that status by…what? All together now: exploiting urban black male stereotypes. You need boots to lift yourself by the bootstraps, and people willing to let you keep them until you do.
MM,
You’re way out of bounds in your assumptions.
You know nothing much about me, but believe you can list what or who I complain about and do not complain about.
You have slapped a bunch of labels on me — racist, sexist, religious bigot and yet you know notning more of my religious views than you do of my blood type. Apparently you reserve the right for yourself to determine what is just.
Your rant covers just about all topics on which anyone may have an alternative opinion. Oh, you left out gun control. (How the hell did we end up in Ireland?)
My contention is quite simple:
I believe each person should be evaluated on his own behavior, ability and acceptance of responsibility for his speech and actions. I don’t think we should increase or limit the number of minorities (racial, gender, religious or sexual preference) in the media.
You singled out Cosby and made no comment about anyone else, does that mean you would want to allow only those minorities you agree with to be included in the media?
I must say your attitude is disappointing and I will grade you as unsatisfactory on this topic.
Major Major, to say that black people’s ancestors “emigrated from Africa” sounds very civilized, but you know better: they were hunted, chained and sold and later exploited
Technically, legalized assault, kidnapping and forced servitude can easily be construed as emigration, as people like Wolf and whattheheck, with tongues firmly planted in their chubby cheeks, will gleefully confirm. Why else would they equate affirmative action to reverse discrimination?
Washingtons comments on the composition of the presscorp
strike me as somewhat anacronistic.The complexity and vapidity
of the media landscape seems to suggest that we need to do more than reflect ourselves in a mirror .The media needs to communicate a
message that speaks to the richness and diversity of the country in which we live.
The media is the message. Presently, the message is white, middle-class, male, straight, Christian and conservative, complaining about gangbangers, femianazis, AIDS, Islamofascists and the liberal drive-by media.
I totally agree that most of the rest of us do care. “You can’t begin to rectify disparities of inequality until you actually see the people who experience the inequality. “
Thanks,
Jake Hall
1 oz silver round
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