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“All we’re doing is taking a drink and going to sleep.” Jim Jones
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
Posted by mschlee on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM
A bunch of lefty BS!!
Posted by philsbubba on Sep 16, 2008 at 1:49 PM
A New Deal? I don’t think so!
The only change that Obama will leave us with is the change we find in between our sofa cushions—he will pick our pockets of the rest!
In this time of financial crisis, we don’t need Obama’s prescription of higher taxes, particularly those on investment.
Posted by Pete Kent on Sep 16, 2008 at 1:58 PM
As historians and history buffs now realize, it was FDR’s “big government” policies that kept us in the depression for so long. Obama has no new ideas….he isn’t about change. Just ask his Veep who’s been in Washington 36 years. McCain is a reformer with a RECORD of taking on special interests and his OWN PARTY. Obama is a right-down-the-line Dem…he’s just the most liberal Dem in the Senate. John McCain will be the 44th President of the United States of America.
Posted by maureenrehg on Sep 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM
In retrospect FDR’s programs led to financial ruin. Four years after FDR was elected the unemployment rate was above 20%. That would never be tolerated today. When government interferes with the free market, bad things happen.
Let’s take Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as one example. Despite protestations from John McCain, other Republicans and the press (WSJ) to reform those companies, the Democratic led congress took no action. Probably because Fannie and Freddie were funding so many Democrats. McCain offered a bill directly aimed at Freddie and Fannie in 2005. It wasn’t allowed to come to a vote. When these companies failed last week the tax payers had to save the companies.
My point is that it should be no surprise to anyone that politicians use their influence with companies under their supervision for political reasons. This is why the New Deal failed and why it should not be repeated.
It seems to me that FDR was really quite a disaster until Pearl Harbor. At that point he became a changed man and unleashed the free market against our enemies.
Posted by DanW on Sep 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM
This is the type of rhetoric that scares me as a realistic progressive. First of all, Obama is no FDR. Before running for president, he engaged in so-called “community organizing” in Chicago, which literally consisted of voting drives to register people to vote for him. As an adjunct professor, he remained very vague on questions of constitutional law, and although he has written TWO autobiographies, he has not found the constitution interesting enough to write one article on the subject.
Furthermore, the political landscape today differs from the one that gave FDR so much success. FDR won because North and South supported him. Blacks gave him about 80 percent of their votes. By contrast, the country today is highly divided. The last two presidential elections have been decided by one or two states, and this year looks about the same. This is not the type of electoral landscape that allows for radical changes in society.
Finally, Obama is really a phoney leftist. He ran on an antiwar, antiglobalization, and pro-consumer model. He was a “Washington Outsider” (a theme as ancient as his “change” and “hope” mantras). He, unlike Clinton, had good “judgment.” He became the darling of liberal blogs like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Politico, and of liberal organizations like MoveOn.Org. But he shows his true “cautious” colors by picking Joe Biden as his running mate. Biden has been a Washington insider longer than McCain, and his Amtrack commute to Delaware does not change this. Biden also voted for the war, NAFTA (Clinton didn’t vote for NAFTA because she was “First Lady”), and Bush’s pro-business bankruptcy reform legislation. Where is the “change” in this record? Obama is phoney and is just as much a politician as everyone else. He will not do anything to screw up his chances for re-election—if he wins—and engaging in large volumes of government spending would probably harm, rather than help, the economy. I am so tired of the liberal choir singing the praises of this man. He is a hoax!
Angry Black Democrat!!!
Posted by Damitajo1 on Sep 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Let’s hope we don’t get another FDR like approach to our current crisis. FDR put forth failed policies all throughout the thirties and then was had the stupidity to get surprised by the attack at Pearl Harbor.
The only change Barack Obama will bring is higher taxes, more government, less freedom and a disasterous presidency.
Posted by Scottfo on Sep 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Let’s also remember the Obama campaign took more campaign money from Fannie and Freddie during the primaries than any other candidate. Then Obama put the head of Fannie in charge of finding his VP nominee.
Obama is all style and no substance.
Posted by Scottfo on Sep 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM
FDR did what he had to do at a time that this country was in peril. Obama on the other hand is just a Socialist who wants to turn the United States in to USSR#2. Don’t get me wrong, I truly admire “Progressive’s” (call yourself whatever you want, it’s Liberal Socialism) idealism and good intentions. However, I don’t trust a single one of you to run this country. Just look at that platic surgery disaster we have running our congress to give you an idea of the complete Anarchy that we face if Obama gets elected as President of this country. “Progressives” should stick to what they do best, protest, hug trees, fight for the rights of endangered insects and become well paid actors that entertain us all. Please leave running the country to the grown up folks.
Posted by Proud Texan on Sep 16, 2008 at 10:38 PM
The New Deal was largely a failure. Unfortunately, World War II intervened and the massive amount of government spending makes it impossible to know if FDRs socialism would have helped at all. The New Deal was the solution for a problem that didn’t exist. It dealt with the symptoms, not the cause of the Depression, which was government distortion of the markets and government intervention that exacerbated the collapse.
Todays’ economy looks almost nothing like that of 1929. The government has been on a Keynesian spending spree for 70 years since, so a new infusion of government spending would change nothing. What is the underlying rationale? Unemployment is very low. Even the poorest Americans have almost nowhere to put all of the consumer goods they own. Is Obama promising a 2nd big screen TV in every SUV? We need make work programs when we are importing millions of nonskilled workers every year because American citizens won’t take the jobs? Obama promises to send government checks using borrowed money to the 40% of people who pay no income tax at all. But it’s doubtful that America’s creditors would underwrite Obama’s schemes. I think he knows that he is simply making empty campaign promises.
Posted by doctorfixit on Sep 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Where do you posters get your crazy “facts”? I want to find the history professors who are teaching you this crazy stuff so I can find them and cripple them at the next conference I attend.
FDR’s social reform policies gave workers money and food which due to the distribution of wealth in a capitalist society was denied them. You do realize that people were literally starving in the streets because they couldn’t BUY food. There was no shortage of food in America, just an inability to afford it. FDR changed that by instituting government programs to feed, clothe, and create a powerful infrastructure that no private sector entity was interested in creating at their own expense nor truly could at the cost.
Whether WWII dug us out of the hole or not isn’t even up for debate. We were at full capacity at the end of 1939 but the turn around in economics was beginning in 1937. Clearly FDR’s programs changed the way the system worked. Once you realize that is a FACT then “fiscal conservatives” which are basically privatization moguls with a desire to capitalize on the money spent by government to line their own pockets haven’t a leg to stand on.
Free market capitalism caused the original collapse of the stock market anyways and FDR’s attempts to drag it back to an accountable state were fought tooth and nail by Wall Street until they realized in a regulated stock market they couldn’t do devastating deals that would cause financial ruin or huge financial gain, just stable transactions that created a stable economy. The problem with a regulated stable economy is nobody can amass great enough wealth to feel satiated unless you’re truly innovative and create a new product or service. Essentially you can’t become a billionaire just riding the stock market’s waves.
Obama has this one in the bag as long as he can tie the stock market around McCain’s neck like a too tight neck tie. I see no reason why he can’t either. No amount of moose hunting with Sarah Palin or hiding from the cameras will save McCain from having to admit his past record basically set the table for the current stock market collapse.
The problem is that McCain’s supporters in the heartland of America are quite possibly to slow to figure out that if the stock market collapses they’ll be hurt as well. Since it seems that McCain is trying to tie Wall Street up as a “Eastern lender” looking to hornswoggle the good people of the middle and western America. Lets pray and hope together that Obama can slather the blood of Wall Street on McCain and send him out to pasture.
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“All we’re doing is taking a drink and going to sleep.” Jim Jones
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
A bunch of lefty BS!!
A New Deal? I don’t think so!
The only change that Obama will leave us with is the change we find in between our sofa cushions—he will pick our pockets of the rest!
In this time of financial crisis, we don’t need Obama’s prescription of higher taxes, particularly those on investment.
As historians and history buffs now realize, it was FDR’s “big government” policies that kept us in the depression for so long. Obama has no new ideas….he isn’t about change. Just ask his Veep who’s been in Washington 36 years. McCain is a reformer with a RECORD of taking on special interests and his OWN PARTY. Obama is a right-down-the-line Dem…he’s just the most liberal Dem in the Senate. John McCain will be the 44th President of the United States of America.
In retrospect FDR’s programs led to financial ruin. Four years after FDR was elected the unemployment rate was above 20%. That would never be tolerated today. When government interferes with the free market, bad things happen.
Let’s take Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as one example. Despite protestations from John McCain, other Republicans and the press (WSJ) to reform those companies, the Democratic led congress took no action. Probably because Fannie and Freddie were funding so many Democrats. McCain offered a bill directly aimed at Freddie and Fannie in 2005. It wasn’t allowed to come to a vote. When these companies failed last week the tax payers had to save the companies.
My point is that it should be no surprise to anyone that politicians use their influence with companies under their supervision for political reasons. This is why the New Deal failed and why it should not be repeated.
It seems to me that FDR was really quite a disaster until Pearl Harbor. At that point he became a changed man and unleashed the free market against our enemies.
This is the type of rhetoric that scares me as a realistic progressive. First of all, Obama is no FDR. Before running for president, he engaged in so-called “community organizing” in Chicago, which literally consisted of voting drives to register people to vote for him. As an adjunct professor, he remained very vague on questions of constitutional law, and although he has written TWO autobiographies, he has not found the constitution interesting enough to write one article on the subject.
Furthermore, the political landscape today differs from the one that gave FDR so much success. FDR won because North and South supported him. Blacks gave him about 80 percent of their votes. By contrast, the country today is highly divided. The last two presidential elections have been decided by one or two states, and this year looks about the same. This is not the type of electoral landscape that allows for radical changes in society.
Finally, Obama is really a phoney leftist. He ran on an antiwar, antiglobalization, and pro-consumer model. He was a “Washington Outsider” (a theme as ancient as his “change” and “hope” mantras). He, unlike Clinton, had good “judgment.” He became the darling of liberal blogs like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Politico, and of liberal organizations like MoveOn.Org. But he shows his true “cautious” colors by picking Joe Biden as his running mate. Biden has been a Washington insider longer than McCain, and his Amtrack commute to Delaware does not change this. Biden also voted for the war, NAFTA (Clinton didn’t vote for NAFTA because she was “First Lady”), and Bush’s pro-business bankruptcy reform legislation. Where is the “change” in this record? Obama is phoney and is just as much a politician as everyone else. He will not do anything to screw up his chances for re-election—if he wins—and engaging in large volumes of government spending would probably harm, rather than help, the economy. I am so tired of the liberal choir singing the praises of this man. He is a hoax!
Angry Black Democrat!!!
Let’s hope we don’t get another FDR like approach to our current crisis. FDR put forth failed policies all throughout the thirties and then was had the stupidity to get surprised by the attack at Pearl Harbor.
The only change Barack Obama will bring is higher taxes, more government, less freedom and a disasterous presidency.
Let’s also remember the Obama campaign took more campaign money from Fannie and Freddie during the primaries than any other candidate. Then Obama put the head of Fannie in charge of finding his VP nominee.
Obama is all style and no substance.
FDR did what he had to do at a time that this country was in peril. Obama on the other hand is just a Socialist who wants to turn the United States in to USSR#2. Don’t get me wrong, I truly admire “Progressive’s” (call yourself whatever you want, it’s Liberal Socialism) idealism and good intentions. However, I don’t trust a single one of you to run this country. Just look at that platic surgery disaster we have running our congress to give you an idea of the complete Anarchy that we face if Obama gets elected as President of this country. “Progressives” should stick to what they do best, protest, hug trees, fight for the rights of endangered insects and become well paid actors that entertain us all. Please leave running the country to the grown up folks.
The New Deal was largely a failure. Unfortunately, World War II intervened and the massive amount of government spending makes it impossible to know if FDRs socialism would have helped at all. The New Deal was the solution for a problem that didn’t exist. It dealt with the symptoms, not the cause of the Depression, which was government distortion of the markets and government intervention that exacerbated the collapse.
Todays’ economy looks almost nothing like that of 1929. The government has been on a Keynesian spending spree for 70 years since, so a new infusion of government spending would change nothing. What is the underlying rationale? Unemployment is very low. Even the poorest Americans have almost nowhere to put all of the consumer goods they own. Is Obama promising a 2nd big screen TV in every SUV? We need make work programs when we are importing millions of nonskilled workers every year because American citizens won’t take the jobs? Obama promises to send government checks using borrowed money to the 40% of people who pay no income tax at all. But it’s doubtful that America’s creditors would underwrite Obama’s schemes. I think he knows that he is simply making empty campaign promises.
Where do you posters get your crazy “facts”? I want to find the history professors who are teaching you this crazy stuff so I can find them and cripple them at the next conference I attend.
FDR’s social reform policies gave workers money and food which due to the distribution of wealth in a capitalist society was denied them. You do realize that people were literally starving in the streets because they couldn’t BUY food. There was no shortage of food in America, just an inability to afford it. FDR changed that by instituting government programs to feed, clothe, and create a powerful infrastructure that no private sector entity was interested in creating at their own expense nor truly could at the cost.
Whether WWII dug us out of the hole or not isn’t even up for debate. We were at full capacity at the end of 1939 but the turn around in economics was beginning in 1937. Clearly FDR’s programs changed the way the system worked. Once you realize that is a FACT then “fiscal conservatives” which are basically privatization moguls with a desire to capitalize on the money spent by government to line their own pockets haven’t a leg to stand on.
Free market capitalism caused the original collapse of the stock market anyways and FDR’s attempts to drag it back to an accountable state were fought tooth and nail by Wall Street until they realized in a regulated stock market they couldn’t do devastating deals that would cause financial ruin or huge financial gain, just stable transactions that created a stable economy. The problem with a regulated stable economy is nobody can amass great enough wealth to feel satiated unless you’re truly innovative and create a new product or service. Essentially you can’t become a billionaire just riding the stock market’s waves.
Obama has this one in the bag as long as he can tie the stock market around McCain’s neck like a too tight neck tie. I see no reason why he can’t either. No amount of moose hunting with Sarah Palin or hiding from the cameras will save McCain from having to admit his past record basically set the table for the current stock market collapse.
The problem is that McCain’s supporters in the heartland of America are quite possibly to slow to figure out that if the stock market collapses they’ll be hurt as well. Since it seems that McCain is trying to tie Wall Street up as a “Eastern lender” looking to hornswoggle the good people of the middle and western America. Lets pray and hope together that Obama can slather the blood of Wall Street on McCain and send him out to pasture.
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