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The Jews have taken over the banking system, Bush’s foreign policy, most of hollywood, and, if they were to leave the ill gotten state of Israel, would solve 90% of the problems in the Middle East.
At some point we need to ask them - “How much is enough?” - “What will take for you to stop your greediness?"- “Why can you not live in peace?”.
I’m afraid to actually hear their response to that.
Posted by M. Tassen on Nov 21, 2003 at 2:14 PM Excellent and needed article. There is so much politically correct non-discussion of Jewish crimes against the Palestinians that many US citizens are turning quietly to visceral feelings of anti semitism, as seems to be happening the world over. Many, many of us are sickened by the relentless Jews-as-victims discourse in the US. It seems unlikely that Jews would be allowed status as perpetual victims if so much of the US media weren’t controlled by Jews - the truth that the Indonesian president unapologetically dared to speak - which turns most of the media into enablers of the genocide against the Palestinians. If the widely shared views that I’ve expressed here result in the inevitable charges of anti-semitism, then count me in. It’s their own fault.
Posted by Sam Jewell on Nov 21, 2003 at 3:20 PM I have always said that it is the occupation that is killing us. I liken it to an addiction to heroin that is supported by American Jews. I wish that American Jews who would not support a deadly drug addiction of a loved one would stop supporting Israel’s deadly addiction to the occupation.
Of course the primary reason to stop the occupation is because it is not democratic, it is Israeli for Apartheid, and it kills PEOPLE!
Posted by Louis Frankenthaler on Nov 21, 2003 at 3:58 PM “The Jews have taken over the banking system, Bush’s foreign policy, most of hollywood, and, if they were to leave the ill gotten state of Israel, would solve 90% of the problems in the Middle East.”
sure its a big conspiracy, we’re taking over the world, blah blah, blah.
Posted by brad on Nov 21, 2003 at 4:16 PM When in 1948 the State of Israel was born the eyes of the world were set upon the hard-working and courageous people who at the beginning seemed determined to create a communitary society full of good purposes, including justice and sharing. As time went by unfortunately it has turned into a military power set on creating a segregatory state where religious prejudice has increased which shows absolute contempt for its neighbors and contiues to take all the monetary help received from the USA not to improve their inhabitants’ life but to insist in creating an isolated country which shows hatred and mistrust towards the Arab world and produces nothing to make a better world for all. We are often repeated that 6,000,000 jews were eliminated by nazism and that seems to be a good enough reason to justify their attitude. Following that line of thought, Russia and its 30 million victims during WWII should be entitled to a greater reward instead of having been discredited during the incredible years of the Cold War. Even Christianity has continued to spread the contents of the Bible and Old Testament with all the tales about a God which awarded the only title deed to the Hebrews and the rules in Deuteronomy about interest rates, etc. which fit IMF more than a God’s prescription to deal with the “strangers” which is not clear where they (or me) came from. In the name of that book American indians were despossessed and killed, kings were appointed and we even have the present president of USA saying he is following God’s wishes when he sends soldiers to kill or be killed for no purpose. Wouldn’t it be high time that the world starts reconsidering the Darwin Theory, the Big Bang and so many discoveries that have proved all men are but one species and this is the only planet we have, with limited resources and all our efforts should be directed to protect our common home and try and live in peace?
MarÌa Luisa
Posted by Maria L. Etchart on Nov 21, 2003 at 6:45 PM Jeff,
On behalf of the common, peace loving Israeli and Palestinian people I thank you. On behalf of american patriots who support the state of israel yet are appalled by its governments policies that include the taking of another peoples land, the assassination of “suspected” militants and a concocted policy of unermining any efforts at bringing peace to the area, I say well done. as a father who is concerned about American credibility and security, I say bravo for bringing the obvious impact of our blind support of horrifc policies to the forefront. and as an american, who loves tis country and who embraces our liberties and traditional role as a beacon of freedom, I say shame on you Mr. Sharon and your rightist government and shame on you congressmen of this great nation who send billions to a froeign land while cutting programs designed to help our vets, elderley and needy.
Yes shame on all of the americans whom have sacrificed this great countrys good name in the ill advised support of a nation who refuses to adhere to the standards that the rest of the free world does. Shame on them indeed.
Posted by Chet Polwin on Nov 21, 2003 at 8:48 PM “Ask your representatives in Congress to cut military aid to Israel” and let them rot on the vine. Do you think that Israel has designs to take over their region?! I guess they just hate Palestinians right?
Do you think the Israelis want to dominate their arab neighbors?!
6 million killed by the germans, repression of their people for eons--- what have they done to earn your rath?
Maybe you should explain to your anti-semitic editorial board and readership the facts of history.
I know one thing for sure- if Israel is involved....In These Times will attack it.
I do feel good about one thing though. You’re not utterly useless. You are, by definition and fact of politics, helping to advance the conservative movement. I could try to explain how your stupid far left wing take helps us but it would be, for certain, lost on your type.
Israel and the second election of Bush have much to thank you for.
Posted by Ty on Nov 22, 2003 at 6:23 PM Nothing could be more obvious. The policies of Sharon have been tried and are not working. The only way they will work is through total extermination of all Palestinians. While this will satisfy some, it will dissatisfy far more.
Posted by Robert on Nov 22, 2003 at 6:41 PM Please keep up your true information campaign. Send me info on how I can help people learn the truth, as best you know, and I will help.
Damian
Posted by Damian on Nov 22, 2003 at 8:17 PM “Maybe you should explain to your anti-semitic editorial board ...”
How ignorant you are to not understand that Palestinians are Semitic people by blood, whereas the majority of Jews (95%)that inhabit that land do NOT come from a Semitic origin and are Ashkenaz in origin (European Jewry).
Once again, the naive equating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism. Israeli/Jewish arrogance at work again… and they’re not even semitic!
Check these site for info:
http://www.nkusa.org
http://www.numbmagazine.com
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com
Posted by David Salzberg on Nov 22, 2003 at 10:00 PM I’m sick of Jews, tired of Palestinians, scared of my own government, and wish the above 3 would all go fuck themselves quietly and without fucking others.
And how come everytime someone criticizes Israel, we have to hear about the Holocaust? I had nothing to do with it, and neither did most of us, so either let it go, or jump in with those who are still whining about slavery and Wounded Knee.
I don’t owe you shit......
Posted by tony ginzolini on Nov 23, 2003 at 1:43 PM Ginzolini, you’re right, you don’t owe Jews anything. However one of the biggest reasons the Jews got Israel is because of the Holocaust. Warrants mentioning.
Salzberg: You know that what the literal definition of anti-semitic is different then how it is used.
Sam Jewell: Your tired of the “Jews-as-victims”? Are you tired of the “blacks as victims” or “latinos as victims” or the “muslims as victims” or the “latino as victims”?
Do you support affirmative action?So Jews control the media? Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch aren’t Jewish and Turner has been charged with anti-semitism. Brokaw, O’reilly, King, Mathews, Jennings, and whoever else is a big name in news isn’t Jewish either.
Posted by brad on Nov 23, 2003 at 3:22 PM Arguing that the Jews control the media has all sorts of unsavory historical baggage.
Saying, on the other hand, that Zionist Jews dominate the dialogue about Israel in the US is merely recognizing an unvarnished fact. One need only to travel to Europe--indeed, even to Israel--to perceive a new variety in the coverage.
It is useless to dispute this. You wouldn’t find the likes of Daniel Pipes taken seriously anywhere else in the West.
All this will untimately proved injurious to the Israeli cause among thinking people.ATS in DC
Posted by ATS on Nov 23, 2003 at 5:46 PM Information such as what was written in this article should be widely reported and known. The fact that it is not should tell you something about the Jewish domination of the US media. I’ve heard that even the Israeli press is more critical of the Israeli government than our press is. Why do think that is? Why has the US become a client nation to Israel? It might have something to do with one of the largest and most powerful lobbies, namely AIPAC. Do a google search if you want to know what the acronym stands for. By giving so much deference, money, and free reign to Israel to do whatever it wants in the Middle East- we are merely creating the very terrorism we are claiming to fight. By funding and giving our undying support to a brutal Apartheid regime like Israel, we lose all legitimacy in any so-called impartial talks about peace and sow the seeds for further death. Why? Because of the fucking Holocaust? How ironic for Jews to evoke the memory of genocide when they are engaged in a form of it themselves. Or, will they just sucker the US into doing it all for them? As one guy already said, they’re not even Semetic people. So, all cries of anti-semite are baseless and mere lies used to justify murder and injustice against the Palestinians. The solution is simple. Simply withdraw all money from Israel, and if they are attacked- let them stand alone. Once the illegal state of Israel is gone, you can then have peace in the area.
Posted by Warren Matthews on Nov 24, 2003 at 4:59 AM Warren:
“illegal state of israel” How is it illegal? It was part of the British Empire and then it was given to the Israelis, how is that illegal? Wouldn’t that make most African nations illegal as well?
When people say your posts are anti-semitic, they are just saying they are anti-Jews.
By the way, many of your posts are in fact, anti-Jewish, as if I had written them and took out Jews and then put in black, I’d be a racist.
Oh, and if Jews were “in control of the media” then why isn’t there an outcry from the media that Jews are not covered by affirmative action.
Posted by brad on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:32 PM Warren:
“illegal state of israel” How is it illegal? It was part of the British Empire and then it was given to the Israelis, how is that illegal? Wouldn’t that make most African nations illegal as well?
When people say your posts are anti-semitic, they are just saying they are anti-Jews.
By the way, many of your posts are in fact, anti-Jewish, as if I had written them and took out Jews and then put in black, I’d be a racist.
Oh, and if Jews were “in control of the media” then why isn’t there an outcry from the media that Jews are not covered by affirmative action.
Posted by brad on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:32 PM Boo hoo. Leave the poor Jews alone. Anyone who critizes Israel is anti-semitic. Jews need a place to call home too evening if it means bulldozing the homes of those evil Palestinians. How dare anyone be critical of Israel.
Sincerely,
Noah Weinburg
Concerned Jews Of America
Posted by noah weinburg on Nov 25, 2003 at 2:52 PM Dear Jeff Epton—It is your silence about Palestinian and Arab rejectionism that is really reprehensible. From the time every Arab country and the Palestinians themselves rejected UN Resolution 181, the violence has focused on one thing—termination of the state of Israel. The silence about this permanent and persistent rejectionism is the real horror of the Middle East. Your call for cutting off US assistance to Israel gives aid and comfort to racists, misogynists, religious bigots, and to people who would not know social justice or democratic values if they tripped over them. The Palestinian emperor has no clothes and you continue to dress him up and proclaim him. If you need any proof of what Israel and the Jewish people are faced with all you have to do is read the Jew-hating drivel in the comments section. The Palestinian people deserve much better than knee-jerk supporters like you and crocodile tear-soaked publications like IN THESE TIMES. They deserve disciplined leftist thinking and critical support, not your brand of mushy-headed whining about the all-powerful colonialist apartheid imperialist Jews. If you are going to commit yourself to the Palestinian cause, the least you can do is help them. I wonder if you even remember or know what UN Resolution 181 was? Try reading it sometime and asking yourself what might have happened had the Palestinian people had the opportunity to vote for it.
Posted by Stephen on Nov 26, 2003 at 3:15 PM >>So Jews control the media? Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch aren’t Jewish. Brokaw, O’reilly, King, Mathews, Jennings, and whoever else is a big name in news isn’t Jewish either. <<
You are advancing these few names from what is a 98% gentile population? Moreover, the people covering Israel’s plight are well over 70% Jewish, just starting with Ted Koppel, Wolf Blitzer*, Martin Indynk, Wm Safire, Charles Krauthammer Jeffrey Mayes, Dennis Ross, Midge Dector, Norman Podhoretz, and anyone who hopes to continue working for Conrad Black etc.
In the print media, Eric Alterman (himself Jewish) counted 64 pro-Israel columnists, but only 4 pro-Palestinian (now 3 with the death of Edward Said).
ATS in DC* Worth noting. Blitzer once WORKED for AIPAC and the Jerusalem Post. Do you see anyone being hired from Al Jazeera anytime soon?
Posted by ATS on Nov 26, 2003 at 6:11 PM I don’t think that “Jews control the media”.
I don’t think that “Jews should quit whining about the holocaust”
I don’t think that the Isreali/palestine conflict is entirely the fault of the state of Isreal; and I reject the idea that any criticism of Isreali policy is by definition Anti Semitic......
However, I do feel that in this dangerous international climate, countries should be encouraged to do all they can to promote peace. Building a huge wall, and the continual cry of “We must not give an inch or we will be seen to be bowing to terrorists” is just prolonging the agony of a life of fear and uncertainty for millions of Isrealis and Palestinians.
I grew up in Irealnd, in the height of what we euphemistically called “the troubles” and nothing changed there until everybody realised that we would all have to talk, and we would have to make gains and losses on both sides. Even today, it’s not a perfect peace in the North, but it’s sure as hell better than it was in the 80’s, when we had Thatcher in England telling us that we couldn’t ever talk to the other side because that would be “letting terrorists win” .
In short, money/aid should be given on the premise that it is used to help bring peace to troubled countries, not prolong division.
Posted by Lisa M on Nov 27, 2003 at 11:25 PM Jews are always quick to accuse anyone and everyone of anti-Semitism, and yet just as quickly they forget that Palestinians themselves are Semites. This is so ironic it demonstrates their supremecist ideology and Israel’s monstrous apartheid regime.
Posted by mark on Nov 28, 2003 at 7:35 AM Jews are quick to accuse anyone and everyone who criticises Israel as anti-Semitic, and yet in their ignorance they forget that Palestinians are Semites too. This irony demonstrates the supremecist nature of Judaism and the true extent of Israel’s monstrous apartheid regime.
Posted by mark on Nov 28, 2003 at 10:42 AM All of you, as well as, I abhor the Israeli occupation of Palestine. But let’s not let our disdain of Israeli policy morph into anti-Jewish rhetoric. It only strengthens Sharon, the AIPAC, and the ultra-conservatives.
Posted by Robert Smith on Nov 28, 2003 at 6:35 PM <<Jews are quick to accuse anyone and everyone who criticises Israel as anti-Semitic, and yet in their ignorance they forget that Palestinians are Semites too. This irony demonstrates the supremecist nature of Judaism and the true extent of Israel’s monstrous apartheid regime.>>
wow, Is that anti-Jewish? Let’s see.... First mark puts Jews all in one group saying they’re all the same. Why didn’t you just call every Arab a terrorist? It’s the same thing.
You call Jews “ignorant”
You say Judaism has a “supremecist” nature. How? Surely that statement needs to be backed up. Please don’t give us any neo-nazi links. How is the Torah “supremecist?
Posted by brad on Nov 29, 2003 at 12:28 AM $18Billion is just a drop in the bucket. One study estimates the total US financial aid to isreal since 1949 to be $134,791,507,200!
see http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htmNow let’s have a pop quiz:
What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assasins into other countries to kill it’s political enemies? Isreal.
How many United Nations Security Council resolutions is Iraq in defiance of? Two. How many is Isreal in defiance of? Sixty-eight, and protected from 30 more by US vetos. (Look up UN Resolution 242 for starters).
Which nation is now ranked by authoritative sources such as Jane’s Intelligence Review, on the basis of it’s arsenal of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction as well as conventional armaments to be the worlds #3 military super power? Isreal.
Which of these nations has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Isreal? None. Iran, Iraq, and Syria say they will sign if Isreal signs.
The good news is, more and more “average Joes” are starting to understand this imbalance of power, and are considering how our policy in this region is effecting U.S perception abroad and our security here at home.
Posted by KRS on Nov 29, 2003 at 10:09 AM Dear lord. I have a neo-con Jewish friend who complains constantly that the left has become anti-Jewish, bigoted, and ultra-radical concerning Israel. I have always disagreed. I am Jewish, and liberal, but I haven’t seen that. Until now. Look at the first comment by Tassen, Jews control the media, the U.S. president, the banks, and Hollywood. Is Tassen a liberal, or Hitler? Can you tell? ‘Cause he sounds an awful lot like a neo-Nazi right there. Let me make this clear to all those liberal or conservative bastards who say such things: I don’t control shit, and neither do any of the Jewish friends or relatives I know.
I do oppose the wall, and I oppose the oppressive policies of settlement building. However:
1. This is no genocide. There is NO systematic elimination of a people. To use that word in a situation like this is to disrespect the very memory of the victims in the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, or those who died in Rwanda. The IDF has been DEFENDING its citizens from constant attack since 1948, almost never on the offensive.
2. The ONLY ones who would like to systematically eliminate a race of people is the Arab governments and many Arab citizens. That would be the Jews they have been trying to kill since 1948.
3. Israel has its problems, but it is a liberal democratic state. Can any of you tell me with a straight face that every other country in the Middle East isn’t worse in terms of everything? Women’s rights, civil liberties and rights, freedom of press, religion, etc. The list goes on and on.
I’m disgusted to be considered a liberal along with most of you.
Posted by Eric on Dec 2, 2003 at 7:07 PM I hear lot’s of general statements and accusations, as well as the ever-present conjecture that anyone who speaks openly against your opinion is a proponent of the holocaust. Don’t miss the point of this article. C’mon, let’s have some honesty, and enough of the emotional rhetoric. Letís ‘End the Silence’.
You are free to refute my posted facts now. -KS
Posted by kendall schorr on Dec 3, 2003 at 8:05 PM U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 242
NOVEMBER 22, 1967The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,
Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
Affirms further the necessity
For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;
Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;
Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.
Posted by Kendall Schorr on Dec 6, 2003 at 7:46 PM You’re f-ing pathetic. The National Enquirer has more journalistic integrity than you. These posts, your readership, you’re f-ing Nazi’s.
Hating people for their heritage, hating them for being Jewish, having this forum for them and you, ...Tassen you pathetic little F- be a man and post your email at least. You freaking awful morons. You support this?! You f-ing freaks! Screw you pathetic racist idiots that I’ve done nothing to. Call the Holocaust a lie. F- you all to hell.
I’m linking these screen shots out to townhall, FOX, and AIPAC. I hated those right wing a-holes, but now I’ve seen that I hate you more. We’re not going to be used by you racist pathetic f’s anymore.
Posted by sharon on Dec 7, 2003 at 6:30 PM The Zionist project is collapsing, and it will bring down the Middle East with it. the combination of the Zionists’ siege mentality plus nuclear weapons means that we are, literally, looking Armageddon in the face. I only wonder if anything can be done to postpone the inevitable.
Posted by Carl Wernerhoff on Dec 7, 2003 at 7:55 PM More emotional rubbish and rhetoric. Can we ever just talk about the facts? No hate here. Just facts. THESE ARE FACTS. YOU ARE FREE TO REFUTE THEM. I posted word-for-word, a United Nations Security Council Resolution, and you characterize it as sensationalistic? I almost never bother to post these facts because it triggers the same response. “I can’t refute his facts, so I’ll get all emotional and call him a nazi.”
For the record, I’m against genocide of any kind, whether it’s Nazis practicing it on Jews, or Jews practicing it on Palestinians.
If you don’t call this Palestinian Genocide, or at least Apartheid, then sir you are simply blind.
By the way, look at your email. Do you really have trouble figuring out why I don’t post my email address? There’s already enough trash in my in-box you hateful little man.
Sadly, hate like yours will prevent this problem from being solved.
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