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thanks for the article!
Posted by kurt enzinger on Jan 20, 2003 at 2:18 AM
This also impacts on intellectual freedom for art historians and curators because they have no access to images they need to make their points in papers and on line. So it is really a kind of censorship of visual culture (as well as other kinds of culture). Social control at the most basic levels is what we are seeing. We owe this to the corporations and the people they buy in government. What this means is that only certain people can find a forum for their ideas in the mainstream and media. This is selective censorship. So it is just a matter of who pulls whose strings.
Posted by S. Langer on Jan 23, 2003 at 9:12 AM
The laws that allows someone who snaps a winning photo to get all credit and money within a 28 year window, is within reason. However, as the laws of ‘76 and ‘98 encrotch on public domain laws, artists whose world view was largely formed via periodical images mid 70’s, are greatly impacted. Legally, they are not allowed to borry from the visual language of their youth within their lifetime. These laws are causing freedom of expression AND speech to be violated in favor of corporate control. The surreal collagists of the 1930’s were criminals in Nazi Germany - except the propaganda collagist Hitler hired. The surreal collagists of 2000’s are potential criminals in corporate America - unless working within corporate jurisdiction. I believe that even the Beatles most famous album cover “Sgt.Pepper’s..” would be considered illegal in todays world and tied up in the courts. David Star
Posted by David Star on Jan 23, 2003 at 5:09 PM
The problem here comes from the allowence of personal rights to corporations. This is an illegal practice and any company that does not serve the puplic interest should have its charter revoked. For more on this go to: reclaimdemocracy.org
Posted by Dirk Trenholm on Jan 26, 2003 at 10:39 AM
Yes, copyright extension over everything is an important issue of our times, and one that often goes unnoticed. Thank you for your timely article.
Posted by Spyros Marchetos on Feb 5, 2003 at 5:23 PM
How about the REAL illegal art, like Bloomberg following up Giuliani’s draconain practice of arresting street artists & disappearing their riginal works, even after artist groups triumphed in the Supreme Court? Between that, the Brooklyn Museum controversies, et al,... seems like all the art in NYC is illegal,... unless its fro Disney or Warner Bros,...
Posted by Johnny Thief on Feb 6, 2003 at 9:09 AM
I think this piece is excellent:- You are completely right, things aren’t made, brand-names and fashions and stereotypes are made. That is why there is also such a market for the ‘abnormal’ and the ‘non-conformist’ at the moment. If you go past any row of shops on a high street, you will almost always find at least two shops that sell either skate/snow boarding equipt. + clothes or you will find a shop selling things like jeans with slits in them, and maybe a tee-shirt that isn’t one colour! (shock horror!) It isn’t the real thing. The kids and people who are buying that type of merchandise like to think that they ARE different, and they hold their veiws and feelings about things, but they aren’t their feelings and veiws, they are the veiws of the product marketing teams and the people trying to sell the items. They are silly little thoughts that are, deep down, conformist, and inflicted on them at an early age. So the people think they have strong veiws and they think that they are different, but in a strange way, it’s like government and big brand propaganda. The people have lost their voices, and they are being sold phony ones. There is no free art, it is all mass produced and fashionable. And the very lucky people who ARE free artists and “reach out to the edge of the rabbits fur” (sophies world by Jostein Gaarder) get ignored or ‘hushed’.......
Posted by Rebecca Walpole on Feb 9, 2003 at 8:42 AM
In my coutry, where illegal copying of everythig is a way of living this article is a good hint to start the day writing about intrelectual property.
Posted by ENRIQUE MENDOZA ARELLANO on Feb 20, 2003 at 7:18 AM
To quote South Park: “Damn conformist bastards… To be a non conformist, you must dress like us, talk like us, and listen to the same music as us. Oh yea, and drink coffee” Kids these days do not know anything about what the words they speak mean wiht he exception of a very few; the so called goth kids who scream and shout about how everyone but them are conformists are just another form of conformity, everyone fits into a group somehow. Kids will always do this, and kids will always, i repeat, ALWAYS download music for free. there is ALWAYS a loophole. Besides, media piracy is not the reson of the profits falling for the music industry; the music sucks!! They companies make a few different looks and sounds and apply them to every band, new or old, and make them alll sound the same. If one listens to the radio, one will ehar the same lines, the same melodies (if the song actually has one, this is a rare occasion these days), and the same modulated, munipulated sound. more and more kids dont like this,a nd are steering away from music and finding other thigns to do; for example, playing their own music by buying their own guitars and playing wut they like! There will be a drop in the music and the movie industries in a few years, i predict. its all the same anyway!
Posted by Spaz on Feb 27, 2004 at 11:55 AM
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thanks for the article!
This also impacts on intellectual freedom for art historians and curators because they have no access to images they need to make their points in papers and on line. So it is really a kind of censorship of visual culture (as well as other kinds of culture). Social control at the most basic levels is what we are seeing. We owe this to the corporations and the people they buy in government. What this means is that only certain people can find a forum for their ideas in the mainstream and media. This is selective censorship. So it is just a matter of who pulls whose strings.
The laws that allows someone who snaps a winning photo to get all credit and money within a 28 year window, is within reason. However, as the laws of ‘76 and ‘98 encrotch on public domain laws, artists whose world view was largely formed via periodical images mid 70’s, are greatly impacted. Legally, they are not allowed to borry from the visual language of their youth within their lifetime. These laws are causing freedom of expression AND speech to be violated in favor of corporate control. The surreal collagists of the 1930’s were criminals in Nazi Germany - except the propaganda collagist Hitler hired. The surreal collagists of 2000’s are potential criminals in corporate America - unless working within corporate jurisdiction. I believe that even the Beatles most famous album cover “Sgt.Pepper’s..” would be considered illegal in todays world and tied up in the courts. David Star
The problem here comes from the allowence of personal rights to corporations. This is an illegal practice and any company that does not serve the puplic interest should have its charter revoked. For more on this go to: reclaimdemocracy.org
Yes, copyright extension over everything is an important issue of our times, and one that often goes unnoticed. Thank you for your timely article.
How about the REAL illegal art, like Bloomberg following up Giuliani’s draconain practice of arresting street artists & disappearing their riginal works, even after artist groups triumphed in the Supreme Court? Between that, the Brooklyn Museum controversies, et al,... seems like all the art in NYC is illegal,... unless its fro Disney or Warner Bros,...
I think this piece is excellent:- You are completely right, things aren’t made, brand-names and fashions and stereotypes are made. That is why there is also such a market for the ‘abnormal’ and the ‘non-conformist’ at the moment. If you go past any row of shops on a high street, you will almost always find at least two shops that sell either skate/snow boarding equipt. + clothes or you will find a shop selling things like jeans with slits in them, and maybe a tee-shirt that isn’t one colour! (shock horror!) It isn’t the real thing. The kids and people who are buying that type of merchandise like to think that they ARE different, and they hold their veiws and feelings about things, but they aren’t their feelings and veiws, they are the veiws of the product marketing teams and the people trying to sell the items. They are silly little thoughts that are, deep down, conformist, and inflicted on them at an early age. So the people think they have strong veiws and they think that they are different, but in a strange way, it’s like government and big brand propaganda. The people have lost their voices, and they are being sold phony ones. There is no free art, it is all mass produced and fashionable. And the very lucky people who ARE free artists and “reach out to the edge of the rabbits fur” (sophies world by Jostein Gaarder) get ignored or ‘hushed’.......
In my coutry, where illegal copying of everythig is a way of living this article is a good hint to start the day writing about intrelectual property.
To quote South Park: “Damn conformist bastards… To be a non conformist, you must dress like us, talk like us, and listen to the same music as us. Oh yea, and drink coffee” Kids these days do not know anything about what the words they speak mean wiht he exception of a very few; the so called goth kids who scream and shout about how everyone but them are conformists are just another form of conformity, everyone fits into a group somehow. Kids will always do this, and kids will always, i repeat, ALWAYS download music for free. there is ALWAYS a loophole. Besides, media piracy is not the reson of the profits falling for the music industry; the music sucks!! They companies make a few different looks and sounds and apply them to every band, new or old, and make them alll sound the same. If one listens to the radio, one will ehar the same lines, the same melodies (if the song actually has one, this is a rare occasion these days), and the same modulated, munipulated sound. more and more kids dont like this,a nd are steering away from music and finding other thigns to do; for example, playing their own music by buying their own guitars and playing wut they like! There will be a drop in the music and the movie industries in a few years, i predict. its all the same anyway!
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