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Armed & Dangerous

Vigilantes terrorize migrants crossing the border

By R.M. Arrieta

One fall day in October, near the Cochise County town of Sierra Vista in Southern Arizona, an undocumented migrant was walking along state Highway 92 when the driver of a pickup truck pulled over. The driver, who had been going the opposite way, turned his vehicle around. Coming up next to the man, the driver asked if he was “illegal.”… return to article

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    Notice the vast amount of conjecture, speculation and wild accusations in this flimsy excuse for a story. Which human rights advocates have voiced suspicions of murder? Was there an investigation? Was anyone charged? Why bring up wild allegations without substantiating at least the party voicing the suspicion? Is this what passes for journalism these days?  You shold be ashamed. 

    United States Posted by Mike on Jan 27, 2003 at 11:17 PM

    ìThese groups are not talking simply about immigration,î No, they are talking about stopping CRIMINALS! ìa containment policy based on race, . . . law into their own hands, ignoring due process, ignoring human rights, ignoring civil liberties, and taking it on themselves.î No, they are simply stopping a crime as they see it happening, and turning the criminals over to the proper authorities. Race doesnít matter. I can look out my window and see Mexico. Hummm, what are the odds, that if I see illegals, that they will be . . . Chinese? (Although, there was 145, Chinese illegals stopped in one group, between Douglas and Elfrida.) I believe Mr. Grijalva, should be investigated for violating his oath of office, for failing to ìupholdî he sworn duty. (ìdefend them against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the officeî) This is a clear cut case of working against the Constitution as well as against the laws of Arizona. Many would ask ìWhat does it hurt, to have a few ëillegalí come into the country? Look at the good they do!î Look at the hospital in Douglas. It has already gone bankrupt, due to the large numbers of illegals treated. (If the Border Patrol finds an illegal in need of medical care. The hospital CAN NOT refuse to give care. The illegal, is not arrested, until AFTER release from the hospital. Thus the Government avoids payment for the treatment!) Douglas hospital, had to close their labor and delivery. (When they offered it, approx.1 in 2 deliveries, to an illegal. The hospital was not paid for this tremendous resource drain.) Now, a mother in the Douglas, gets to enjoy the 45 minute drive to Sierra Vista to deliver her baby. Iím originally from a place, where a 100 pound marijuana bust made front page news! Yet, when one of the Border protection groups, captured over 200 pounds of marijuana, local officials LAUGHED in the Sierra Vista Herold to the effect of ìThat ALL? I could throw a rock, in any direction, and hit more than that!î itís easy, for Mr. Grijalva, to talk ìBorder Issuesî. All he has to do, is wave the race card, point to his name, and say ìVote for me!î Itís not so easy for me. I live on the Border. I have lost property, livestock and suffered damage to pipes and fences, by illegals. One of my neighbor, was murdered by illegals. These factors, have a way of making you see things in a different light. I love Mexico and her hard working people. I hate criminals.

    United States Posted by G. Wildfire on Jan 28, 2003 at 12:39 AM

    ìWe cannot wait for more tragedies to occur along the border in order for people to pay attention.î

    But nuns being raped and murdered in Medford, Oregon by illegals is OK? 

    United States Posted by stupid on Jan 28, 2003 at 2:54 AM

    Your story on the “vigilantes” was ridiculous. Since when do Mexicans or anyone have the right to invade this country, bring in drugs, diseases, crime, and other problems, and then expect to be treated as though they were welcome? Illegals cost the American taxpayer billions and billions of dollars in education, medical, and other services. We don’t want you in our country and we have every right to protect our border and to eject you. The only reason there is no war between the US and Mexico over this invasion is because the government in this country is so thoroughly corrupt. But thank goodness there are still citizens who care enough about America to try and defend it from criminals. Don’t make the mistake of confusing Americans with the trash who rule us. They may not give a damn about this country, but there are many Americans who do.
    Senior Bush is a one term president and we will make sure the next president kicks all the illegals out of America. 

    United States Posted by D. Hodson on Jan 28, 2003 at 3:27 AM

    un documented? rubbish!! illegal alien!
    look up vigilant,you asswipes

    United States Posted by bad brain on Jan 28, 2003 at 4:19 AM

    What the heck is an undocumented migrant? That sounds like a contradictation of terms. A migrant has documentation. Are you sure you don’t mean an illegal alien? 

    Mr.Grijalva has evidently never been to Dade County Florida

    United States Posted by Ken on Jan 28, 2003 at 9:59 AM

    Where can i join these groups to stop the cross borders incursions of illegals

    United States Posted by viper on Jan 28, 2003 at 11:32 AM

    These honest citizens have every right to defend themselves against the criminals that threaten and endanger our country and communities. Gang activity has become to increased, and our anti-gun, anti-constitutional laws have served only to disarm those who should be well-armed to defend themselves against the rising tide of crime. These militias represent America and the concerns of “the people” more than any politician ever has. 

    United States Posted by Frank on Jan 28, 2003 at 11:55 AM

    R.M. Arrieta is not a patriot to our nation.  Mr. Simcox is a true American who is interested in protecting our country.  Since when do illegal immigrants have rights that trump personal property and civil rights of Americans? 

    United States Posted by Gary Buffon on Jan 28, 2003 at 11:58 AM

    Simcox’s self-styled militia calls themselves exactly that. And they believe in their brand of “vigilante justice,” which is what Simcox himself has called it. And, as far as all this talk of “illegals” being “criminals,” I might point out that every recent analysis of the second amendment—of the Constitution—has demonstrated no right under our laws to form citizens’ militias, especially ones that intend to violently engage unarmed people… citizens or not. And when stalking out humanitarian water stations in one of the most lethal deserts in the country (which is what Simcox himself again says he intends to do), gun-toting yahoos quickly become human rights violators, driving immigrants (legal or not) to certain death.

    But given the failure of most of the Nativist responses posted here to command “their” own English language, it might be too much to expect a rudimentary understanding of our country’s legal pillars, let alone a respect for human lives.

    United States Posted by Brian on Jan 28, 2003 at 12:10 PM

    Why does this phony little fraud “journalist” fail to mention all the MURDERS RAPES AND ROBBERIES COMMITTED BY ILLEGAL MEXICANS AGAINST AMERICANS WHO LIVE NEAR THE BORDER????

    Why doesn’t this “journalist” write an article called “Armed and Dangerous” about the armed mexicans who rape rob and murder white people in the USA? Why does this pig forget to mention those crimes?

    NEVER TRUST A FREEMASON, OR A FREEMASON-OWNED NEWSPAPER

    United States Posted by Bob Chance on Jan 28, 2003 at 1:22 PM

    See “Series of killings tied to people-smuggling” at
    http://www.arizonarepublic.com/special03/articles/0106executions06.html

    United States Posted by Lonewacko on Jan 28, 2003 at 2:30 PM

    Armed and Dangerous, Vigilantes terrorize migrants crossing the border.
    Are the so called vigilantes really terrorizing ILLEGAL migrants?
    How many ILLEGAL migrants are terrorizing us law abiding natural citizens of the United States? I don’t see Mexico fighting to keep their own citizens in Mexico. No, they are happy to put their burden on the United States citizens to feed, cloth, educate, etc… This so called vigilante groups should have started 50 years ago. No doubt we would have less problems right here at home. John De Marco Stanhope, New Jersey

    United States Posted by John De Marco on Jan 28, 2003 at 2:48 PM

    To be honest with you people, I’m more afraid of Americans than I am of Mexican’s or any other nationality on Earth.  Take some history lessons, what do you have to be so proud about protecting? It’s basic civility to send an injured person to a hospital.  How would you like it if you were injured in Mexico, and they just tossed you in a gutter to die? Would you not want similar courtesies extended to you? God only knows why anyone would want to live in your forsaken country in the first place…

    Canada Posted by B on Jan 28, 2003 at 11:05 PM

    BOO HOO.  I am all for language, borders and culture...if the gov’t isn’t going to protect America...I guess Americans will have to.

    United States Posted by CWhitaekr on Jan 29, 2003 at 12:34 AM

    I am a Christian, and believe that God created man in His image.  It doesn’t make any difference what color or nationality they are.
    Now that being said… people who sneak across the border are indeed illegal aliens.  I don’t care what color they are or what country they are from.  There is a proper way to become an American Citizen, and it’s not by sneaking in.
    If we are indeed in a “War on Terrorism”, then why the heck are our borders wide open?  We are continually given warnings of imminent threats of new terrorist attacks.  There have been airplane stubs from many different foreign countries found along our southern border.  Anyone from any country that has the means to do so could simply fly into Mexico or Central America and ultimately just walk right across our open border.
    While I DON’T agree with undue treatment of ANY criminal, we are allowed to both protect ourselves and our country, and to make citizen arrests.  If I woke up in the middle of the night and saw strangers hiding out in my backyard, littering it, and using it for a bathroom (many such incidents have been reported), you can better believe I’d do something to protect my family.  We do have the right to keep and bear arms for just such a purpose as this. 

    United States Posted by Randy on Jan 29, 2003 at 5:49 AM

    This issue has always been one around which I have had trouble wrapping an opinion.  I agree with many of the posters who stated their incredulity with the journalist’s facts.  The article was essentially an emotional appeal to a readership who probably never had to “sneak” across a border.  It reminds the audience of the humanity of the whole situation.  Hence, the majority of the posters have to first express their fundamental concern for human rights and then assert their opinion about the “criminals” who cross the border to perform ill deeds.  But like the journalist’s words, I find fault with the posters’ comments which cite various crimes of some “illegals.” Like the belief that every plane that lands successfully will never make news, every “illegal” immigrant who comes to pick fruit/vegetables, construct homes/buildings, dig ditches, clean homes, wash dishes, etc. and contribute to the market economy everytime they shop for groceries, pay rent, or buy gas will never make headlines.
    Sensational news and yummy soundbites will dominate the front pages of papers and t.v. news and naturally seep into the minds of smart citizens and given some levity to them without thought to the lack of complex evaluation behind such assertions.  In the end, I long for a forum of “reader comments” which actually contributes/creates dialogue without the bold print in the papers.  Let’s pause, consider, then write/talk/profess.  Honestly, I feel no closer to an opinion on the matter based on Arrieta’s article or any of the unconvincing equally emotionally appealed reactions. (Although, I do intend on researching the government officials, the groups mentioned, and any follow-up reports I can read.) Thus, my opinion is facilitated by intelligent interaction with those on both sides of the issue. 
    I know that within this group of articulate readers, there are at least a few that are equally fed up with a “dog chasing its tail” way of deliberating an issue.

    United States Posted by A Jackson on Jan 29, 2003 at 7:52 AM

    Since when is it a crime to protect your own property?
    Since when does our government refuse to protect the property of Americans?  Since when does our government give tax credits amounting in the million to PAC’s encouraging foreigners to break our immigration laws?  Since when must people protect their own property because our government declines to do so? 

    United States Posted by Robert Simmons on Jan 29, 2003 at 12:08 PM

    What many Americans seem to conveniently forget is that this country is based on immigrants.  If it weren’t for the Mexican farm workers, our produce would cost much, much more than what we are paying now.  Just what American will work in hot dusty fields picking produce for a few dollars a day—without any added benefits? Who will work in the sweat shops in Los Angeles for minimum wage (and no benefits)?  These people are hard workers who have built the economy of this country by taking jobs that nobody else would do. 

    One can hardly blame Mexicans for wanting to come to America when all they see on television is that the “streets are paved with gold,” and finding out the hard way that the average American is prejudiced, mean, bullying and intolerant of any race that isn’t white. 

    United States Posted by K. Britfeld on Jan 30, 2003 at 12:54 PM

    I would just like to say that “B” does not speak for Canada.  I can very honestly say that if I were injured or sick and was illegally entering another country that I would NOT expect them to welcome me with open arms and pay for my treatments.  Who would expect that?  Wake up B!  Even if the people entering are “good people”, they are still criminals by virtue of their choice to immigrant illegally.  In my opinion, criminals lose their civil rights to those who obey the law!

    Canada Posted by Mark on Jan 31, 2003 at 12:04 PM

    if everyone is so concerned by the influx of illegal immigrants, we need to address the issue: not ‘how’ they’re coming in but ‘why’.
    no matter how many preventative and punative measure are put into place, that fact remains that america can offer what most other countries can’t to these people. not that the u.s. should solve all the problems of the third world, but the american government should at least desist from exacerbating the poverty and oppression of the third world. nafta and trade agreements need to be tailored to benefit all countries instead of just the rich multinationals. i don’t see a few jobs at slave-wages benefitting the overall economy and infrastructure of mexico. 

    United States Posted by christian on Jan 31, 2003 at 1:02 PM

    While I think we can agree that it’s a sad state of affairs when people have to resort to this kind of wild west justice, but they’ve really been left with no choice. The government of the United States and ESPECIALLY the government of Mexico have refused to make genuine efforts to stop these criminals (the people crossing our border in violation of our law), so eventually people start taking matters into their own hands. I live pretty far from the border, but I can certainly tell you that if I saw someone who was obviously a criminal walking along the roadside I’d do the same. If I saw them on my property they’d be dead. 

    United States Posted by Nathan Fisher on Jan 31, 2003 at 3:42 PM

    Draft ‘em all and send them to Afganistan to fight, those that survive get to be US citizens. 

    United States Posted by Bill SMith on Jan 31, 2003 at 6:37 PM

    $ 10,000 dollars for each vigilante death

    Mexico Posted by raul on Jan 31, 2003 at 6:44 PM

    Now that I’ve had a chance to read through all the comments, I can see that there are a few reasonable people - people who are not blinded by pure “patriotism” (is that what it is?) and can step back and look at the issue - humans killing other humans.  Yes, they are “illegal”, as in undocumented, but how can we call people “illegal”?  By dehumanizing this group, which is what you are doing, it becomes very easy to be “rah rah” about vigilantism.  Good for you.  From your computer, you cheer people on for KILLING other people.  You must be so proud of yourselves.
    I encourage all of you who believe that immigrants cost Americans billions and billions of dollars to check their facts.  Medicare and arming ourselves cost us way more.  And, I’m sure that given the opportunity to hire cheap labor who won’t “talk back”, many of you wouldn’t turn it down.
    We are a country with a rich history in conquest for the sake of “freedom”.  We have murdered in the name of liberty, so maybe it’s in some people’s blood to fight for something so imaginary.  Yes, I know that I’m jumping on the “ethos” bandwagon, but sometimes it feels like it’s all I have left. 

    United States Posted by Antonia on Jan 31, 2003 at 8:13 PM

    When you don’t learn your history, You are doomed to repeat it. Everything I read in the replies and in the story itself reminds me of the ‘wars’ fought against the native people of this country. These were not wars. The European races were at first welcomed by the eastern tribes. The ancestors of the very people condemning these Mexican people. Was it not those very same ancestors that brought diseases, murder and rape to the Natives of this very land. Now look at the way they try to make themselves sound so self-rightous. The very way there ancestors did not so many years ago. These inhabitants of stolen lands want to protect the very land their ancestors stole in the first place. I am ashamed to admit that these people are even human beings. Yet, it is human nature that drives them to condemn their fellow man. Based on race and differences in color. We all want the same things in this life. To be healthy. To not live in fear. To give our children everything that we never had. The people that enter this country have the dreams that those European people did and they work hard to make their dreams come true. Can you find people to clean your hotels willing to work for the wages these people get? Can you find an American willing to work 2 sometimes 3 jobs to give money to their relatives that need it? Can you find Americans that are willing to put extended family first? Can you find these people? I suppose you can in small groups. Would you be willing to stay in this country if you faced the lifestyle so many Mexicans face in their country. I don’t think so. If the opportunity presented itself to go somewhere and make your life better for yourself and your family. Your damn right you’d go too!

    United States Posted by usnative on Jan 31, 2003 at 8:21 PM

    Dear Isabel Garcia,

    You are blind to the realities that “coyotes” are vicious criminals clearly capable of executing their excess “baggage”. They have no respect for the law of our country or of Mexico’s. Conversely, citizen patrols are motivated by respect for the law and our society to assist overwhelmed U.S. legal entities against criminal activity conducted by foreign nationals illegaly present in the USA. Your reduction of your fundamental position against civilian interdictions to one based on race merely exposes failure to understand a criminal is a criminal. Your activities and posture on immigration policy issues only make you a provaceteur of further criminal actions: the unfettered growth of illegal immigration. Are you not an accessory to a crime?????

    United States Posted by John M on Jan 31, 2003 at 8:29 PM

    USnative, I totally agree w/you. I’m originally from South America, living in this great country for 12 years, but I still don’t understand these people that claim that nobody has the right to come here. They fear that it may happen to them what they did to the NATIVE AMERICANS, the only people that can claim to be originary from this land. The rest of us, like it or not, are inmigrants to some degree.. 

    United States Posted by fernando on Jan 31, 2003 at 9:05 PM

    This country has a long history of illegal immigration. Just ask the Indians. 

    United States Posted by Luxa on Jan 31, 2003 at 9:20 PM

    I find it hard to be real sympathetic to the ILLEGAL aliens.If our incompetent INS can`t get the job done,protecting our borders,then someone should!They slip into our country,and don`t pay taxes,get free medical attention,get welfare,and pop out babies like breeding cock roaches.The U.S. is like a big ship on the ocean.Sooner or later we will sink from so many illegals slipping into the country.The government caters to them,hoping to win votes.And in the mean time,the rest of us get screwed.American citizens are nothing more than a source of tax money and a vote for our politicians.Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of catering to illegals.So,I say to the vigilantes,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!WISH I COULD JOIN YOU! 

    United States Posted by Mike Callahan on Jan 31, 2003 at 9:31 PM

    I thinks it time to do something about all the illegal immigrants in the usa before its to late.The bootom line is they shouldnt be here unless they go throught the proper steps to become us citizens. There taking over the labor force due to the fact there work for fukin pennies on the dollar. We live in america and it really pisses me off when people cant even talk english, if you wanna talk any other language take your sorry asses back to your countries.THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN FIRST THEN THE SORRY ASS WET BACKS.This shit will get worse before it gets better.All i got to say is there glad i dont live by the border POW POW

    United States Posted by jimbo on Jan 31, 2003 at 9:37 PM

    United States Posted by Cat man on Jan 31, 2003 at 9:41 PM

    I Feel very sorry for the plight of the illegal immigrants, however, I feel more sorrow for the legal Americans whose taxes go to pay for a new generation of illegal immigration.  Illegal immigration has systematically “drained” the social services, law enforcement, and public school systems of their funding.  The American citizens whose ancestry fought to build America into what it has become today-a leader in innovation and technology, are finding all of their efforts were in vain. For example, the breaking down of the labor unions mainly caused by the influx of new immigrants willing to support this movement.  All of this makes one wonder “If I (as an American) were to go to Mexico, would I receive such benefits [i.e., welfare benefits, free education, and a labor pool in need of black market labor], or, would I be persecuted for just being American??????? I strongly believe an unwarranted persecution would take place and no rights would be given to me! Why don’t the new immigrants build up their own countries and stay there like my Ancestors did here? 

    United States Posted by concerned on Jan 31, 2003 at 9:47 PM

    It might be true that the overwhelming number of illegal aliens come to the US with good intentions such as giving their children a better life, but the problems they create place the US into an even more dismal economic situation. They might purchase goods and services and take jobs that “most people” don’t want, but that is no justification for illegal immigration. There are plenty of first generation “legal” immigrants who can fill those jobs.  Education is the key to succeeding in the US.  First generation immigrants are often uneducated and will take the menial jobs that are available for low pay.  Many of these parents are happy working hard to see their children succeed and take a larger role in the US society. We need to spend the limited budget we have on the people ALLREADY in this country.  I personally like having a high standard of living…I am not a bigot. I judge people on their merit…immigrants who use the proper procedures to enter the country I will welcome with open arms.  Give these people and their children the chance to get educated and move up the social ladder.  My great grandparents immigrated to this country LEGALLY, they worked hard and passed down what they earned to my forebears.  I was educated and work hard to enjoy life with my family.  Under-education and the resulting over-fertility that Mexican citizens experience is putting a strain on the Mexican economy as it is.  We have enough problems to address here in the US.  Let them help themselves with education and contraception. 
    Oh…and to those people who say that this country is a country of immigrants and the northern Europeans immigrants took this land from the native Americans….native Americans immigrated to the US from Asia through the bearing straight…look it up.

    United States Posted by Lurch on Jan 31, 2003 at 10:01 PM

    The bottom ling is all the mexicans that live here illegally send most of their money back to mexico and therfore make up about 60% of the mexican economy.And if thats not enough to make you angry the legal ones in our country are giving millions to the corrupt politicians so they dont enforce the immigration laws.If things dont change one day youll see mexican infront of A merica

    United States Posted by angry american on Jan 31, 2003 at 10:40 PM

    I don’t like criminals, whether illegals or legals, citizens or non-citizens, and whites or non-whites. 
    But in case of immigration, I don’t against it since America itself is based on immigrants who came from all over the world. 

    United States Posted by Triaman Nataatmadja on Jan 31, 2003 at 11:16 PM

    God bless Chris Simcox! Tell him to let me know if I can help in ANY way!
    John Cline Jr. 

    United States Posted by John Cline Jr. on Jan 31, 2003 at 11:25 PM

    As a US citizen of this country I agree wholeheartedly that the American people have no choice but to be vigilant in protecting our borders. It is the growing numbers of illegal immigrants that this country faces medical expenses, high unemployment rate, higher taxes. The government isn’t doing effective job when it comes to our borders. Just look what happened Sept. 11?  Need I say more? 

    United States Posted by Maria on Feb 1, 2003 at 12:06 AM

    Regarding the Illegal Mexican Imigrants, An illegal Border Crossing is in itself a Crime under the current Laws of Our Land. Therefore a Criminal Act. US Citizens Who Perpetrate Criminal acts are stripped of their Civil Rights, Therefore These People, Noting are not even US Citizens do Not Have ANY RIGHTS under US law ! It’ as simple as That ! If You Don’t Agree with the concept People, Hey, Move To MEXICO !

    As for all the Aid given to Mexico a few Years Back, Remember ? Ask the Bankers in The Bahamas Who are Holding it remembering the Mexicans who said “DUMB AMERICANS Gave it to US ! 

    United States Posted by Henry on Feb 1, 2003 at 12:30 AM

    Song from T Rohan:
    The cowboys and bikers better take back the west, The Mexicans are breeding like rats in a nest, Thier having their babies, their doing their best, So the bikers and cowboys better take back the west, If you think I’m joking, just go on downtown, stand on the corner, take a good look around, the cities are crumbing ‘cause the labor’s all brown, so the bikers and the cowboys better take back thier town. You crips and you blood’s better stop this brown flood, or soon your fine ‘hoods will be Mexican mud, plant a bomb on the border--make sure it’s not a dud, cuz you Crips and you Bloods gotta fight this brown flood, now I’m not a racist, just an honest young man, I can’t stop ‘em all, but I’ll do what I can--we must work together, we must take a stand, We must fight for our children and protect our land!  We reserve our rights as America citezens to protect our country from Enemy’s FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. WE RESERVE OUR RIGHTS TO BEAR ARMS AND ENSURE OUR FREEDOM FOR THE PUSUIT OF LIFE, FREEDOM AND HAPPINESS. NOW GO DO THE RIGHT THING PEOPLE OF AMERICA!READ THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS AND ACT ACORDINLY. WHAT WOULD GEORGE WASHINGTON OR THOMAS JEFFERSON DO? IF NOT US? WHO? IF NOT NOW? WHEN?!!!EVIL TRIUMPH’S WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING. 

    United States Posted by Thomas on Feb 1, 2003 at 12:54 AM

    To all of the people boo-hooing about the Indians being the only “Real” Americans, I would like to say, when my ancestors came here from Eastern Europe, Indians rode horses and lived in cloth tents! Go to cherokee, NC today and see how much they have progressed! Not much! Eastern Europeans made this country what it is today! We don’t have 3000 miles of wilderness anymore! We can no longer afford to welcome the world! I say SLAM the doors on our borders before it’s too late! Go to China and India and see the effects of overpopulation! It’s the world’s #1 problem!! 

    United States Posted by John Cline Jr. on Feb 1, 2003 at 1:16 AM

    I feel sorry for all those people that call themselves Americans and support these vigilante groups.  As many have written, this country was built on immigrants whether legal or illegal coming from all over the world.  The reason this country is so great is because of immigrants and their fresh new ideas and ways of thinking.  Unfortunately because it also has created racist closed minded people who because of their insecurities blame others for their problems.  I hope my government the US government does something about these vigilante groups and prosecutes them to the fullest extent of the law.  Proud to be an American with 16 years of military service.  Proud son of a Mexican immigrant. 

    United States Posted by Victor on Feb 1, 2003 at 1:37 AM

    The term ‘migrants’ in itself implies some sort of legitimacy.  The illegals who cross the border into US territory are not migrants.  They are criminally tresspassing illegal aliens and should be treated as such.

    Greece Posted by Andreas on Feb 1, 2003 at 1:37 AM

    First, let start by saying that no person truly in not a least a little bit racist. Hell, my wife is spanish and black mix. Now with that said, I ask this question “Why should we let more people in this country when we people of all races that are homeless and hungery?” I say take of the peoblems that we already have first, then we will take care of everybody else second.  Yes, America was settle by immengts,hell my people are from Scotland, but at that time in history the settlers didn’t have to worry about nuclear wepons or people crashing planes into buildings, or things like that. I truly feel that America should shut her borders competely until we can take care of our own people first.  One last thing, to chris in canada, you wouldn’t be so smug if you didn’t have the great country of America protecting your canadian ass, now would u? please feel free to email me your responses. In closing, I feel that we will have another war over issues like these.  I say God help childern, for they will be the ones who deal with our actions. 

    United States Posted by danny on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:29 AM

    Amazing!  Why all the racism and hate?  I didn’t realize ya’ll were that insecure.  Is it the economy?  Whatever it is, if my brothers from Mexico (from whom, ironically enough, you stole the southwest) don’t organize Pancho Villa-style groups to counter the vigilantes, the eternal flames of hell WILL be awaiting you for your crimes against humanity. 

    United States Posted by Pablo Garcia on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:30 AM

    This is all about RACE.... WE Whites do not want the non white third world hordes coming into our WHITE country period. The Mexican, Honduran et al are not wanted period. If you are offended to bad. We have enough racial animus with the Black Americans to insert another race into the nation is a quick trip to national suicide. Why dont you La reza people stay in your own countries and make them better more livable places then forcing your way in here against our will. Call me what you like I could not care less what I have stated are my fellow White countrymens feelongs on this matter STAY HOME ! !  ! 

    United States Posted by P. Tenisi on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:31 AM

    I wonder what would of happened if all the white suppremacist had their way and only white people (even though there really isn’t a true 100% white person or any other 100% race out there) lived here.  Could you imagine all the in-breeding?  Boy, that would be a great country! 

    United States Posted by Victor on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:44 AM

    Hey Victor you third worlders can only resort to name calling and asinine comments because there is no intelligent rebuttal to White nationalism .Hey your people want to jam yourselves into a white nation because of the quiet clean in stable societies we build where ever we go. I repeat STAY HOME! 

    United States Posted by P. Tenisi on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:57 AM

    It’s unfortunate theres so much hatred now in america....
    Lets have the illegals armed and teach those sorry excuse people that call themselves americans a dose of there own medicine....KILL ALL VIGILANTIES

    United States Posted by J. Michael on Feb 1, 2003 at 4:51 AM

    I have something to say to Mr. Pablo Garcia.You say that we are racist and insecure because we don`t want ILLEGAL MEXICANS to continue to slip across our border into the U.S.?You are a real moron if you don`t understand that this isn`t the reason.We don`t like ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS from [any] country coming to the U.S. to live off of the rest of us!They don`t pay taxes,while the rest of us get our legal asses taxed off.They get welfare,when they have NEVER worked in the U.S.They get free medical care,when the rest of us can hardly afford to pay our medical costs.They get free child care,when the rest of us can`t afford to pay for child care.They get housing assistance,when we have thousands of homeless U.S. citizens living on the streets.They have almost bankrupted the medical care system in the state of California.If you or any other fucking moron,legal citizen or not,can`t understand all this,then too bad.Take your sorry asses back across the border. 

    United States Posted by Mike Callahan on Feb 1, 2003 at 5:10 AM

    I live in the state of North Carolina.We have 400,000 Mexican immigrants in the state.The vast majority of these people are illegals.I would like to ask any bleeding-heart liberal moron,"Why should we be taxed to death,and pay high-cost medical insurance when these illegals get by free”?They receive welfare benefits for their children.No wonder they multiply like rabbits!If any American citizen can say they approve of all this,then they are one stupid son-of-a-bitch!My wife works at a Hampton Inn in our home town of Marion.She cleans rooms for the guests.Recently,two families of Hispanics who lived together in a house lost their home to a fire.So the state of North Carolina put them all in two different rooms at Hampton Inn.The rooms cost $120.00 each every night.These two families spent two months at the Hampton Inn!Some of the house keepers refused to clean their rooms,because the Mexicans shit in the waste cans,and wiped their asses on the bath towels.Also,one of the Mexican women had just had another baby,and she had been having sex,and putting the used,bloody rubbers under her bed,which had dried and stuck to the carpet.Also,some of the room furniture was broken,and the children were loud and raised hell all the time.When they finally checked out,the state of North Carolina picked up the tab,which was almost $15,000.00.If anyone out there has an idea about an organization we could start to stop all this bull shit,I am all ears.Write me.Maybe we can do some good.All Americans,black and white need to take action before it`s too late.Our politicians sure as hell won`t!

    United States Posted by Mike Callahan on Feb 1, 2003 at 5:53 AM

    Why in your article did you not mention the huge amounts of trash and human waste these intruders leave behind? Why did you not mention the fact that they cause all kinds of property damage and the enviromental impact of their illegal actions? I think these are good American citizens trying to clean up a mess that our Government has turned a blind eye on for way to long. If they want to come over and work there is a legal way of doing so. Please don’t say oh great another letter from whitey, because my wife is an immigrant who got here LEGALLY! 

    United States Posted by James Maxwell on Feb 1, 2003 at 6:50 AM

    It sounds like these groups are doing the job our government should be doing. 

    United States Posted by Carl Rush on Feb 1, 2003 at 7:20 AM

    why are we complaineing when u.s citizens are giveing illegals the jobs we americans need .they wouldnt be here if we americans werent giveing them jobs .look around !

    United States Posted by moe joooe on Feb 1, 2003 at 7:46 AM

    I am an american citizen of various background nationalities.  I believe that this is a free country and therefore whomever wants to live, work, play and pay taxes in this country can do so.  Legally.  There is a legal way of entering this country, but has anyone taken a look at the process?  It is time consuming, expensive, and almost borderline ridiculous.  The people entering this country legally have to learn more and do know more about American and its history than those of us that were born here and went to school here.  Has anyone ever thought that if our government would make the process of becoming a citizen simpler, then we wouldn’t have as many problems with illigal people entering our country.  After becoming citizens, they would pay taxes, pay their own medical bills and be punished for their own crimes, just like us.  And about the race issue, why is it always about race?  What is the matter with someone having a different color skin, or different beliefs than what you have?  I have met many, many different people in my life, and never found a general stereotype for any people.  In all races, nationalities, and religions, there are good people and there are bad people.  Your skin color doesn’t determine who you are.  We all make our own decisions based on our experiences.  That doesn’t mean every illegal is a bad person who will do bad things.  How do you think all that fruit is picked in California, or our farm implements are put together in Texas, or our dishes are washed in New York, or the hotels are kept clean in Florida?  There are millions of illegals, or people hoping for US citizenship in this country who are willing to do the jobs that alot of citizens feel are beneath them.  The wages are lower that the national minimum wage alot of times and these people don’t complain!  They don’t sue if they work overtime, they don’t sue if they aren’t given what they feel they deserve just for being alive!  I could go on and on about the stupid things our own citizens do, and it might do our country some good to kick these people out and bring in some decents hard working, responible people to help turn our country around! 

    United States Posted by american girl on Feb 1, 2003 at 10:02 AM

    How can we fight terrorism and hate if we “Americans” are filled with it ourselves? It’s interesting how people don’t think before they speak, act or write. Let me ask you something, why did the europeans migrate to (or more like INVADE) the americas? Do you think they did it pacifically and asking permission from the natives? Patriotism is great but not to the point of ethnocentrism. Yes America is the strongest and richest and most powerful country in the world. And if you were on the outside looking in, would you not want a piece of the pie? Hell yes you would do anything you could to try to give your family a better life. Say anything you want you but inside you know you damn would. All you hypocrit idiots that are too privaledged to give a shit about anything else in the world. These people are Americans just like each and everyone of you morons. Even more so, because YOUR ancestors were the wetbacks and the migrants and the illegals of the past. Why did they not stay in Europe? Should everyone pack up and just go back where they came from? Who’s left then, the natives, and hell, I just have to cross the border, most of you have to cross the freaking atlantic to get “home”. Instead of focusing time and energy doing unneccesary shit like spewing hate and racism, we should focus on not being blown up by real the terrorists. But it’s just easier to find a scapegoat and let out your frustration on the defenseless and weak, it’s all about the power right? I’m a proud U.S and proud daughter of two mexican immigrants. If a mexican has to cross the border risking death, exploitation and racism from others why would they do it in the first place? Oh yes, it’s just to take the first class jobs that everyone’s applying for. Cleaning toilets, scrubbing dishes, building your houses and picking fruit for $2 an hour for 15 freaking hours aday. Or maybe it’s to hang out at the clubs and tennis courts of America, to think of how lucky they are to be here without their families, without money and being hunted down like criminals. Or maybe we just come here to bug the shit out of you...yeah, that must be it…

    P.S. I’m a proud New Yorker and on 9/11 everyone was the same color, the same race. I remember how the dust just covered everyone making them all the same color, no distinctions of any kind. It’s a shame how idiotic we become when the dust settles…

    United States Posted by Sulay on Feb 1, 2003 at 10:23 AM

    It’s time to treat this invastion by Mexico as a war on American soil. (illegal or legal)
    Causes our economy to go sour and causes out breaks of sickness and drugs to increase. It’s time to put our armed forces on the borders and give all Mexicans a time limit to leave America our be treated as war crimnals.
    God bless American!!!

    United States Posted by Mickey on Feb 1, 2003 at 10:37 AM

    To American Girl:
    Wake up!!!!! It must not be real hard to enter the U.S.Remember 9/11?And just because it takes a while to become an American citizen,isn`t an excuse to break our laws and enter illegally.The I.N.S. MUST HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WORKING FOR THEM.THAT`S WHY WE NO LONGER HAVE A WORLD TRADE CENTER LEFT!And there is a good reason why illegal immigrants {do the jobs no one else will do},as you bleeding-heart liberals are so fond of saying.THEY DON`T GET TAXED!! They get every cent they earn!There are a lot of these jobs Americans would do,too if they didn`t get their asses taxed off. 

    United States Posted by Mike Callahan on Feb 1, 2003 at 10:37 AM

    Mr. Callahan,
    You seem to have a lot of hate and anger inside of you. You would just love to kick me and all my family out of the U.S wouldn’t you? Maybe you could just pack up and ship out to defend our country or maybe you would rather just sit at your computer and type stupid shit like your doing now…

    United States Posted by Sulay on Feb 1, 2003 at 10:53 AM

    to american girl maybe if they stay in thier counrty and fix thier problems there and fix thier gov. maybe they could have a better life for them selfs than run from them.if they come by the thousands then you mean to tell me thats not enough poeple to control there own lifes at home how many more excuses are poeple going to make for them .its not that we dont like them but it time we americans take care of our own

    United States Posted by moe jooooe on Feb 1, 2003 at 11:10 AM

    Being a non US-Citizen, I’d like to say that I’ m really astonished.  or sadly impressed, after reading all these comments from descendants of european citizens, who were purchased by all sort of reasons or just left to America and latter on the US, because they were hungering in the Old european countries. What I should say, is that these Chicanos have been living between these two borders for centuries, whilst you white americans americans arrived on american sole, yesterday, if I could say so. Instead of complaining the whole day, because of the incomptence oy your different federal gouvernments, in what refers to immigration policy, you should understand that the problems you are facing, lack of medical security for all americans, is part of what characterizes the US. Individualism, instead of invading foreign countries, you should invest your money in building a more equalitarian society, but most of all, STOP INVADING the World, because, and don’t die for yours chicanos and blacks first row soldiers, in that case you would be legitimating that the vigilantes would be then defending their borders. 

    Belgium Posted by Who Cares, maybe you do. on Feb 1, 2003 at 11:17 AM

    Illegal immigrants are breaking the law and thumbing their noses at the government.
    I don’t condone murder but the citizen who held that illegal criminal for the border patrol should be commended, not vilified.
    Mexico is a country rich with resources and talented people.
    I as a taxpayer should not be forced to pay for it’s corrupt governmental failed policies and mismanagement of those assets.
    Our borders are out of control and if it costs more at the supermarket for tomato’s it’s a small price to pay versus the damage to the environment from uncontrolled population growth in this country. 

    United States Posted by Jim on Feb 1, 2003 at 11:45 AM

    Simcox is our next George Washington. He and his organization need a statue in our nations capital. America doesn’t need people anymore. We especially don’t need anymore third world unskilled, illiterate, primitive, farmhands or janitors in this great nation. If Mexicans can’t run their country, it is not the place of the USA to absorb their people and help their own citizens which they have no way of helping. Remember, who won the Alamo??

    United States Posted by Verne Schllinger on Feb 1, 2003 at 11:49 AM

    This is an informative article on the border problem which concerns many Americans.  These groups which have to do what the government doesn’t successfuly get done, can’t be blamed, this is desperation on the part of the vigilante groups.  What else can they do?  The illegals immigrants don’t take our immigrations laws seriously, they know that once they get across the borders, they are home and American employers are willing to hire them.  At least some people who live along the borders are trying to do something to help the Border Patrol control this immense problem of the hordes of illegals which sneak into our borders DAILY. 

    United States Posted by Marie Rouse on Feb 1, 2003 at 12:29 PM

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE CRIMINALS. THEY ARE VIOLATION FEDERAL LAW. THEY ENTER OUR COUNTRY BY BREAKING THE LAW. They compete with Americans for jobs, tuition, housing, and government assistance. They undermine American workers by working for sub-standard wages. They undermine legal immigrants who pay a high price to enter our country legally. They perpetuate the myth that American workers do not want to work low paying jobs, while replacing those workers at those same jobs. American workers want only a decent wage and benefits, and cannot compete with illegal immigrants who work for less, and ask for nothing else...LETS STOP LYING ABOUT THE PROBLEM, AND FIND A SOLUTION TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! 

    United States Posted by Bobby on Feb 1, 2003 at 12:43 PM

    I agree with the people who have pointed out that much of this article basically amounts to supposition and conjecture.  I don’t see any useful evidence that these vigilantes have committed specific crimes. 

    I do also agree with the writer that these groups likely pose a real danger, however.  Hate groups are one of the unfortunate realities of life in the USA, and the comments of the people in the article, as well as the replies here, clearly point to violent feelings of bigotry, fear, and in some cases a disturbing dismissal of state, federal, and international law (to say nothing of the standards of religion and common decency). 

    Illegal crossing of the border is a serious problem, and some illegals do commit acts of violence while in the USA.  But the overwhelming majority of violent crime in the United States is committed by Americans, against Americans.  Even if all border crossing ended today, it wouldn’t make much of a dent in our crime statistics.  Furthermore, the number of non-violent illegals cleaning our houses, picking our crops, serving our food, sweeping our stores, hauling our consumer goods, and constructing our buildings far outnumbers the small percentage who attack people while in the USA.  Most Americans want someone else to perform these manual labors for little pay and no benefits (i.e. illgals)--as long as that remains a fundamental reality even an army of hate-crusaders on the border won’t stop the crossings. 

    If this were really about crime instead of racial hatred, the advocates of vigilantism would be putting their money and political clout toward drug rehabilitation, better public education, universal health care, higher minimum wage, and other programs that attack the root causes of crime and have been proven to work in preventing the creation of criminals.  We can play soldier in the desert all we want, rounding up a few half-dead illegals in the dead of night, and it won’t do anything to solve the problem of crime in America (it might, however, get you killed or arrested some day).  If someone really cares about crime, they have to stamp out the social situations that create it, rather than trying to bail out the Titantic with a teacup. 

    United States Posted by Jeff on Feb 1, 2003 at 12:58 PM

    I wish I lived close enough to the border to join these so called vigilantes.  These pathetic mexicans have invaded Denver and are tearing the public schools, police department, and hospitals apart at the seams.  There are incredible social costs that we are paying to bear the burden of these illegals.  It’s about time somebody takes our country’s needs into their own hands, because our government is not fighting for it’s citizens rights!  Unfortunately, our politically correct society says you are a racist if you are against illegal immigration, when, in reality, we are just telling the truth.  Illegal Mexicans are carrying Mexico’s burdens with them across the border and the productive, law-abiding, tax-paying American citizens are bearing the cost. 

    United States Posted by CT on Feb 1, 2003 at 1:32 PM

    Being a Father and hardworking Tax payer, it is refreshing to read about groups that are interested in the protection of our borders.  I will not endorse villance toward these poor people.  Unfortunately, drugs are a big bussiness, and people will die.  It’s too bad our own Goverment does such a poor Job on our southern borders. 

    United States Posted by Tom Hornbaker on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:10 PM

    How many people would admit to committing murder knowing that they would go to jail for 20 years to life or receive the death penalty?  Should we expect the white supremacists to step forward and admit to committing murder?  Arrieta cites the Mexican witnesses to the murders, but local law enforcement does not seem to want to believem them (perhaps because of their sympathies with the white-supremacist nativism?).  He points out that local and federal law enforcement authorities have been reluctant to investigate the murders of the Mexican border crossers.  It is a common practice in law enforcement to speculate on motive and intent in trying to solve murder cases.  In this case, who would most likely want to kill Mexican border crossers?  White supremacists.  It is not a stretch for Arrieta to point the finger at the white supremacists.

    The Constitution provides the right to bear arms, but not to use the arms to break the law.  Even if someone crosses the border illegally, it does not mean that U.S. citizens can therefore take the law into their own hands and murder them (just like you can’t kill someone who killed one of your relatives.).  That is vigilantism and makes the executioner a murderer, felon and an illegal criminal.  If a U.S. citizen kills someone because of their race or national origin, even if the person is not a U.S. citizen, that is discrimination, which is a violation of the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964.  In other words, it is illegal and a crime to kill based on race or national origin.  So the white supremacists have now joined the ranks of the illegals, living in this country as criminals.

    Regarding the taxation and welfare issue, most studies show that illegal immigrants actually pay more taxes than the value of social services received.  They routinely pay sales taxes, property taxes and those with fake social security cards actually pay payroll and social security taxes for benefits that they never receive because they don’t claim them for fear of deportation.

    For those of you who are Christians, would Jesus Christ kill someone because he is brown and crossed a border?  Did Christ, a Jew, preach hate based on race and national origin?  He preached to love your neighor as you love yourself.

    Interesting how the white supremacists are illiterate and don’t know English grammar.  You would think that it would be patriotic to know the language of your country.

    United States Posted by A Believer of Democracy and the Rule of Law on Feb 1, 2003 at 2:34 PM

    What right do these meztizo INVADERS have to ILLEGALLY enter into MY country that MY White Founding Fathers built with the intention of it being a homeland for WHITE people? Vigilante’s MY ASS! If our corrupt government—correction, the corrupt bought-and-paid-for self-serving scumbags who infest our government—won’t do the job to protect our borders from this invading locust, then DAMN IT TO HELL it’s the right—NO, IT’S THE DUTY—of American citizens to do everything in their power to turn back this abominable swarm.

    You, R.M. Arrieta, are nothing more than a politically correct apologist with a poison pen shamelessly making excuses for your law-breaking, wage-lowering latrino brethren, and have the shameless NERVE to vilify and demonize brave, decent, honorable Americans who are doing THE RIGHT THING!

    If the situation were reversed for some strange reason, with White Americans crossing the border into your brethren’s dilapidated and wrecked TURD WORLD COUNTRY, you would be singing a song 180 degrees opposite to your present tune. AND YOU KNOW THAT! HYPOCRITE!!!

    BiG White

    United States Posted by BiG White on Feb 1, 2003 at 7:20 PM

    If corporate America didn’t want those people here they wouldn’t be here; that border would be so tight you couldn’t get a mouse through it.  But the corporate idea is, if you can’t export the work then import the worker.  This has been corporate strategy since the nineteenth century when they recruited our north, south, or eastern European ancestors in the same way: import enough workers in order to have a ready surplus to draw from and keep wages down, pass restrictive labor laws to keep labor unions from forming, and buy the politicians to run the country for you.  It’s nothing new; Latinos are just the latest group to be used in this way.  Nebraska Beef, a packing plant in Omaha, actively recruits illegals in Mexico; that’s known here.  They start them at $8.00 per hour and it takes four years to get to $9.00.  This is in a city where packing plants in 1979 were paying $11.50 per hour for the same job.  They want undocumented workers; they pay them miserable wages, treat them like the animals they slaughter, and if anyone complains they call INS.  And at the same time they protect themselves against union organizing.  So it goes. 

    United States Posted by John on Feb 1, 2003 at 7:23 PM

    The Feds will eventually come after these KKK, church-burning, border- vigilante white-supremacist criminals just like they went after and got Timothy McVeigh, the KKK members who burned the black church in Alamba in the 60s, etc.  These pathetic, paranoid right-wing vigilante militias are no match for the Federal law enforcement agencies.  Do they really think they could take on all Federal law enforcement agencies including the U.S. armed forces (many of whom are African American and Latino)?  Those chicken-shit hate-mongering murderers will get their asses kicked so bad, they will run for their red-neck inbred white mamas.  They will be killed battling Federal law enforcement agencies or rot in federal prisons after capture.  They don’t have a chance to overthrow the democratic U.S government for the people, by the people and of the people-- that is, a people of all races and ethnicities including Anglos, African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, Native Americans, Arab Americans, etc.

    United States Posted by The People of the United States on Feb 1, 2003 at 8:19 PM

    According to the INS, there are 7 million illegal immigrants in the United States.  That’s 2.5% of the total U.S. population of 280 million.  It is hard to believe that such a small number people are the cause of all the entire country’s problems.  Get over the scapegoating and paranoia. 

    United States Posted by Reason on Feb 1, 2003 at 8:33 PM

    Apologist Robert Simmons from San Rafael, Ca. wrote:

    “What many Americans seem to conveniently forget is that this country is based on immigrants.”

    What type of immigrants, Einstein? Were they illiterate, low-IQ blacks from the dark continent? No. Were they orientals from the far east? No. Were they the current hoard from south of the border? No. They were WHITE EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS.

    “If it weren’t for the Mexican farm workers, our produce would cost much, much more than what we are paying now.”

    Get a load of this self-centered dork. Just because he wants cheap produce to stuff his face with, he justifies this illegal invasion which will only cause ethnic turmoil, ultimately resulting in a balkanized America in the not too distant future. It’s the same greedy short term thinking that imported the negro slaves from Africa to our shores. Just look at what a great burden this has been for America! FYI, I and other Americans would gladly pay double for our produce if these illegal aliens were kept out!

    “Just what American will work in hot dusty fields picking produce for a few dollars a day—without any added benefits? Who will work in the sweat shops in Los Angeles for minimum wage (and no benefits)? These people are hard workers who have built the economy of this country by taking jobs that nobody else would do.”

    (BIG yawn...) The same lame, overused argument used to justify this illegal and dangerous (for this country’s future) invasion. Let me tell you something pal, as a blue collar worker myself, I can assure you, if you pay Americans a liveable wage—not minimum wage—with benefits, we’ll gladly do any job that needs to be done. Period. These greedy bastards that employ illegal aliens don’t want to. All they care about is themselves and their wallet. They’d rather exploit illegal aliens than pay an American citizen a liveable wage. They don’t give one damn about the upheavel this will bring down the road, and in more than a few locations, already is bringing as can be seen by the increased crime, violence, drug trafficking and gang activity wherever there’s a large concentration of these wage-depressing latrinos. But that’s OK. Just as long as Robert Simmons can buy cheap produce to stuff his face with, that’s all that matters.

    Bob Grant

    United States Posted by Bob Grant on Feb 1, 2003 at 8:54 PM

    John wrote:

    “This has been corporate strategy since the nineteenth century when they recruited our north, south, or eastern European ancestors in the same way: import enough workers in order to have a ready surplus to draw from and keep wages down, pass restrictive labor laws to keep labor unions from forming, and buy the politicians to run the country for you.”

    All true, but you overlook one very important fact. These Europeans imported to do work were Caucasians just like the founding race. They eventually assimilated into one American culture, unlike the current non-white invasion, which is readily seen wherever these people have amassed. Discounting the rare exceptions, they’re not here to be Americans. Don’t kid yourself. If you don’t believe me, ask anyone who lives in an area infested with Mexicans. It’s like you’re in a foreign country. Except it’s your country being transformed into a foreign land. 

    United States Posted by B. White on Feb 1, 2003 at 9:12 PM

    A Believer of Democracy and the Rule of Law You really are a dumb ass, aren?t you?
    While I have no doubt, you?re a good CHRISTINA, judging by your semi-illiterate diatribe you are too stupid to research your own questions, so here I?ll help:
    1) ?He points out that local and federal law enforcement authorities have been reluctant to investigate the murders of the Mexican border crossers?. White supremacists? Here you ignorant wretch is what a REAL news source say: ?Since March, smugglers of illegal immigrants, known as “coyotes,” have left behind eight bodies, each killing as brutal as the one before, investigators say.?  http://www.arizonarepublic.com/special03/ articles/0106executions06.html
    2) ?The Constitution provides the right to bear arms, but not to use the arms to break the law.? Even if someone crosses the border illegally, it does not mean that U.S. citizens can therefore take the law into their own hands and murder them? Again, Dumb Ass, There hasn?t been a SINGLE murder, that the vigilantes were even reasonably suspected (except by anti-American bigots) of committing! Each one, has been by MEXICANS murdering the illegals and competing coyotes! Again, Dumb Ass, there?s not a single incident reported of white supremacist involvement, other than by anti-American bigots and those who breed votes. So your stupid diatribe about ?Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964” is irrelevant AND stupid!
    3) ?Regarding the taxation and welfare issue, most studies show that illegal immigrants actually pay more taxes than the value of social services received.? this is nothing more than a lie, to fool the stupid.
    4) ?For those of you who are Christians, would Jesus Christ kill someone because he is brown and crossed a border?? He would, if He was a Mexican Coyote! This is simply a case, of ?criminals killing criminals.? 

    United States Posted by Joe on Feb 1, 2003 at 10:19 PM

    Here’s something to think about.  With the very likely upcoming war against Iraq, most of our EUROPEAN, AUSTRALIAN, CANADIAN (all WHITE, mind you), allies will be supporting or fighting alongside our troops, sacrificing their lifes to free the World from a tyrant.
    Will our neighbors south of the border commit troops to aid our cause?  Of course NOT.  Those PIGS will be waiting and watching for any sign of weakness in our Border Patrol to send wave after wave of pigs that will put even more burden on our already strained economy.
    So, I applaud the patriotic duty that the vigilante groups have bestowed on themselves to defend our borders and country.  In the weeks to come, they’ll need all of our support and encouragement to redouble their efforts to keep our country being invaded by those pests!!! 

    United States Posted by Andres on Feb 2, 2003 at 12:42 AM

    Andres,

    You make a mistake by stating all of the countries you mentioned are white countries.  You need to look at our military and theirs to see that it is very diverse with people of many races willing to put their lives in danger to protect people like you decent or not.  I myself am not white(mexican decent) but have served 16 years in the US Army to defend my country(United States of America).  Whether you like or not people of other races other than white are here to stay.  Hopefully one day racism will cease to exist. 

    United States Posted by Victor on Feb 2, 2003 at 1:47 AM

    Coyotes have been in the business of smuggling Mexicans into the U.S. for several decades since the border began to be patrolled.  Why all of a sudden would coyotes start killing their clients?  The competing coyotes argument makes no sense because that would just make potential clients take the risk of crossing the border on their own without the help of coyotes given the fear of getting killed by “rival” coyotes.  Clients who don’t pay coyotes historically have been held captives here in the U.S. until the illegal immigrants pay off their debts by working or from loans from family members.

    It is doubtfull that drug traffickers would use people walking on foot to smuggle large amounts of drugs.  It is not efficient nor cost effective given that they can’t carry much drugs on foot and there is a high risk that people will die in the desert.  Drug smuggling mostly happens by motor vehicle, airplane and boat because because large amounts of drugs can be transported by those means.  Transporting by motor vehicle with a large group of people would attract more attention by border patrol agents so that doesn’t make sense either.

    The timing of the killings seem to coincide with the emergence of the KKK vigilante militias patrolling the border.  The white-supremacist vigilantes are just using the coyotes as scapegoats for their cowardly murders for fear of going to prison or confronting armed U.S. law enforcement officers.  These vigilantes only kill the unarmed and are too big of cowards to confront the U.S. government’s law enforcement agencies if they truly believe that the government is corrupt and should be overthrown.

    The white supremacists aren’t even smart enough to put forward a logical and convincing excuse.  The Federal law enforcement agencies will eventually capture or kill these murderers.  Our multiracial democracy is here to stay and there is nothing that the white supremacists can do about it.  As history has shown since the civil-rights movement in the 1960s, the Federal Government always puts these white supremacists in their place: in prison or kills them in battle while they are trying to commit their murderous acts. 

    United States Posted by A Believer of Democracy and the Rule of Law on Feb 2, 2003 at 2:51 AM

    Iv`e got a question for{ Good Christina}.Just HOW the hell can an illegal alien pay property taxes?They don`t have property to pay taxes on!And as far as paying payroll and social security taxes,this is a bull shit lie invented by bleeding-heart liberals like yourself to try to justify breaking our lax immigration laws! If anyone believes this bullshit,I have a bridge I`d like to sell you. 

    United States Posted by Mike Callahan on Feb 2, 2003 at 8:42 AM

    In the past decade 33-52 million illegals and legals arrrived on our shores. 1 in 5 get government cash assistance, 1 in 6 American schoolkids are either from a foreign land or have parents from another country. Throughout this great nations taxpayers are spending hundreds of billions to expand schools, hire new teachers and support this new population through
    state and federal initiatives, emergency healthcare and social entitlements. In the meantime AMERICAN needy ( of all races) elderley and veterams see their programs CUT as money is diverted to pay for the new programs for new folks. Then we have the issue of SOME of these olks being hardened criminals emigrating here to conduct business and terrorize AMERICAN families because of our governments refusal to control our borders. The bottom line is folks like Simcox should be applauded not demonized and more AMERICANS need to get involved to stop this massive flow of illeglas through constant pestering of our politicians. To do otherwise is simply un AMERICAN.

    United States Posted by Chester Polwin on Feb 2, 2003 at 9:15 AM

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    To the People of Texas and All Americans in the World--

    Fellow Citizens and Compatriots
    I am besieged with a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna. I have sustained a continual Bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have not lost a man. The enemy has demanded surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison is to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken. I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly over the wall. I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism, of everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid with all dispatch. The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a solder who never forgets what is due his honor and that of his country.
    VICTORY OR DEATH
    William Barret Travis
    Lt. Col. Comd’t


    United States Posted by Lets Roll on Feb 2, 2003 at 9:46 AM

    For those of you who cry intolerance on behalf of Chris Simcox and those of us who support him.  I remind you that the Hispanic population of the United States exceeded 37 million this year, replacing blacks as the largest minority group.  More than half of that 37 million are illegal aliens or spawn of illegal aliens.  I tell you now that the American people HAVE been exceedingly tolerant of illegal immigration and HAVE respected human rights.  For more than 40 years the American people have been tolerant, to the extent that our American population is being displaced and replaced - by illegal aliens and their spawn.  For 40 years the American people have beseeched the Federal Government to take a hand in controling abuses of illegal aliens, and those pleas have fallen on deaf ears.  For 40 years the American people have pled with illegal aliens to halt their abuse of our sovereign nation and to abide by our laws, even altering our laws with such things as amnesty for illegal aliens.  Those pleas have again fallen on deaf ears.  Patience has worn thin. Tolerance is at an end.  May your pleas to the Federal Government receive as much attention as did the pleas of the American people for the past 40 years.  May your bleats for human rights receive the same response received by Americans from those who abuse our laws. 

    Take no prisoners. 

    United States Posted by Lets Roll on Feb 2, 2003 at 10:15 AM

    White supremacists like to make up statistics that don’t even make sense.  If 33-52 millions immigrants came every year, the United States would be doubling its population every 6-7 years.  Yet from 1990 to 2000, the population increased by 30 million and by 60 million from 1980 to 2000 according to the U.S. Census Bureau.  One million legal immigrants come here every year and there are a total of 7 million illegal immigrants (40% of illegal immigrants are in California) according to the INS.

    The Personal Responsibility and Work Reconciliation Act of 1996 (i.e., the welfare reform law) made immigrants ineligible for welfare and social security disability insurance.  Illegal immigrants with fake social security cards can get jobs, pay taxes and buy a home.  Is that so hard to understand?

    The growth of the Latino population is inevitable and there is nothing that white supremacists can do about it.  The Federal Government will not start a holocaust campaign against Latinos or other people of color.  The U.S. government is a multiracial democracy on the side of civil rights, human rights and the rule of law.  Why don’t you white supremacist cowards fight the Federal Government instead of murdering unarmed poor Mexicans?  Because you will roll right into your graves or into Federal prisons.

    White supremacists need to actually start reading studies on the impact of immigration on this country instead making up exaggerated silly claims.  According to the Century Foundation’s 2000 Immigration Reform report (http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Basics/Immigration/Impact.html):

    * Immigration does not have a substantial impact given the size and dynamics of the U.S. economy.  The economic impact of immigration is yields gains of $1 billion to $10 billion a year.

    * “Immigrants contribute to public coffers directly by paying the usual array of federal, state, and local taxes that citizens pay.”

    * “On balance… the aggregate long-term fiscal impact of immigration is likely to be positive, particularly at the federal level. Those states with high immigration levels are likely to see negative long-term fiscal impacts.”

    * There are an estimated 5 million illegal aliens in this country increasing by 275,000 annually.  “There is not a great deal of evidence that the level of illegal immigration materially harms the United States… [T]hey tend to take jobs that U.S. workers will not do.”

    United States Posted by A Believer of Democracy and the Rule of Law on Feb 2, 2003 at 2:11 PM

    To {A good Christian in the U.S.A.}.How can an illegal alien pay taxes?THEY DON`T! And as far as illegal aliens doing jobs that Americans won`t do,there is a reason for it.THEY DO NOT PAY TAX!!!!Every penny they earn,they get! Call me a white supremacist,racist,or whatever the usual liberal name tag is for anyone stating the facts.I don`t care.I`m none of these.I just tell it like it is.I have nothing against the Mexican people.My gripe is with the government for refusing to stop illegals from coming into the country in the first place.Also,{Good Christians} are supposed to respect the rule of law.We have laws against illegal immigration.And,by the way whatever happened to the billions of dollars of tax payer money we sent to Mexico to help their economy? 

    United States Posted by Mike Callahan on Feb 2, 2003 at 2:41 PM

    Illegal immigrants who use fake social security cards pay payroll and social security taxes deducted directly from their pay checks; if they bought homes, then they also pay property taxes.  Illegal immigrants who are paid in cash ("off the books") do not pay taxes.  Would you take an off-the-books job at $3-5 dollars per hour without being taxed and with no medical insurance or retirement benefits?  All immigrants legal and illegal pay sales taxes.

    The border with Mexico is about 1,500 miles long.  It is impossible for the Federal Government to stop all illegal immigrants from crossing the border.  I am not against the Federal Government from deporting people caught crossing the border illegally.  I am against vigilantes murdering people for crossing the border.

    In any event, the more resources the Federal Government invests to stop 275,000 illegal immigrants per year from coming into the country, the more of a fiscal impact illegal immigration will have on the Federal budget.  Right now immigrants don’t have a substantial economic or fiscal impact on the country as the Century Foundation’s study shows.  Do you really think that 7 million (2.5% of the US population) people are bankrupting an economy of 280 million people and $10 trillion dollars?

    Christ criticized the Jewish religious leadership of his day because they turned Moses’ ten commandments into hundreds of laws in which they were the sole judges meting out punishment.  He said that only God can be the judge of people’s sins