With all the hoopla surrounding the capture of Saddam Hussein—“caught like a rat,” read the Chicago Tribune headline—it is time to take a step back and consider the full story of the Saddam Hussein and his long time relationship with the U.S. government, beginning in 1959, when the CIA put Saddam on its covert operations payroll in a plot to… return to article
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Reader Comments (80)Page 1 of 1 pagesAll I can think about right now is how wonderful it must be for the 24 million people of Iraq. Their future is much brighter with that rat gone.
I was against the war, and a Dean supporter. But I can only think that Lieberman is now my candidate.
Hopefully there will be a more thorough investigation into the Bush/Clinton/Bush administrations. While this article doesn’t seem to really expose any groundbreaking new facts it certainly points to the avenues that can and must be examined.
Talk about a thorough article!
Posted by Evan on Dec 16, 2003 at 5:21 PM You leftists are a sad crowd. This article is proof that you will find something to bitch about no matter what happens. It must get old trying to make every success for the United States out to be a failure. Like the comment from that prick Howard Dean, this article is nothing but a big “Thanks for nothing!” to all the troops in Iraq who helped bring this killer to justice. They cannot even get so much as a thanks or congratulations from you.
Even if I had supported Dean at first, I would be through with him after his latest remarks. Good thinking, Evan.
Posted by Stan on Dec 16, 2003 at 6:41 PM What is sad to me is that all right wing chicken hawks can do is make personal attacks with no substance in truth.
I served 24 years, I always support the troops, some of them over there now used to be mine. I am quite happy to dissent against any injustice, any corrupt leader, any president who lies and misleads. It is the most patriotic thing any citizen can do is make his/her opinion known whether for or against any group, system, or corrupt leader.
The article above appears to be accurate in most things based on my own research from other sources. If you guys want to rule the world, kill anybody you want to, capture all the oil, gold, and drugs for our own profit. Teach us to hate our own fellow americans because of race, gender, or sexual orientation, just say it openly, whoops can’t do that, people might wake up and stop you. So there I have returned your unfounded biased attack with another one, does if feel good. Are you mad at me because you cannot control my thoughts and my hope.
We live in the best place in the world and we need to improve it and fix the current direction of our wrongful practices.
I earned the right to say what I want and what I believe just because I was born here as you were. I also spent 24 years in the service defending mine and your right to do so, and even burn the flag if you wish. Go Howard Dean
Posted by Garry K Kiser on Dec 16, 2003 at 7:22 PM What Americans need to do is open their eyes and accept the truth that we did support the rise of Saddam Hussein.
And that our leader in no better than Saddam himself!
Posted by Pong on Dec 16, 2003 at 8:12 PM I’ve reviewed a lot of this same history and dug up some new details in my new book, The Blood Bankers (NY: Four Walls, Eight Windows, 2003), available at Amazon. See also www.submergingmarkets.com for the Iraq debt story.
Posted by James S. Henry on Dec 16, 2003 at 9:14 PM For once can we say that something good happened? Are we so partisan that we can’t rejoice in the downfall of the butcher?
Should we have hoped that he wasn’t caught? Dean made a great statement and I’m sealed in his court because of it. You’ve decided that you need to just post up a used article to bash Bush.
I hate being a Progressive sometimes. I’m resigned to hang out with pessimists and whiners. Not the vision I believe in.
Posted by Kaya on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:35 PM Kaya, thank you. At least you want the United States to be successful.
Pong: Where are the rape rooms that our leader (who you claim to be worse tha Saddam) set up?
Were you happy that the US caught Saddam Hussein?
Posted by brad on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:56 PM You guys are so Lame, you can’t even be gracious, I’m not going to bring up gore/leiberman, hahahahah
Posted by Merlin Robertson on Dec 16, 2003 at 11:07 PM when the president takes our soldiers to war based on lies (wmd) upon lies (saddam -taliban al-quaida being tied to one another) , it hints of corruption ,BRAD.I mean, how can you be ok with that? i wouldnt want to go fight,or have my children fight, a war based on lies to meet the ends for a group of men in power wanting to gain more power.how is that ok with you to be lied to like that. and if they lied about that, what about the EVIL history of Saddam, or the reason why sept. 11 happened. perhaps cnn and fox news succeeded in their brainwashing pro bush/pro war propaganda. because i simply cant believe that my fellow americans could be so naive to whats been going on here. good article, although it does seem to be news ive already heard. but from the posts ive read from the “lets kill all the brown people in non jewish countries” people, i’d say this article needs to come up again and again. if cnn and fox can disinform on behalf of the government. then maybe articles like this one can beat the truth into some of those thick skulls. god bless america and the true americans who want the truth. ps good write PONG.
Posted by doug on Dec 17, 2003 at 12:54 AM Stan, kaya , merlin
What is this ?
Dont worry… be happy ?All you govenment suckups forgot how much you were supposed to worry about terrorism.
And now after US captured the BIG TERROR BOSS, we only have one to go, and then we can go on ....sing the song now:
dont worry ... be happy ... dont worry ...be happy ...
Posted by Shawn on Dec 17, 2003 at 10:35 AM This was a very informative article. Although I concede that the US helped put Hussein into power.
I still think that the latest invasion into Iraq and subsequent arrest of Saddam Hussein are justified.
Maybe not as a measure of preemptive self defense (like the cowed American public is taking it). But so much as to correct a mistake.
The mass graves, tortures, rapes, and other attrocities attributed to this man warrant his own demise. If the people of Iraq are unable to help themselves then help should be extended to them.
It’s just a shame that my government would rather pull the wool over our eyes than to be honest.
-Jim
Posted by JimPishlo on Dec 17, 2003 at 12:16 PM I can only hope that Howard Dean stays away from small aircraft lest he end up like so many, many, many Democrats before him. The sight of S. Korea, Japan, and the rest of the nasty vultures pecking away at the carcass called Iraq is disgusting. We’ll be in there for 10 more years and then some. Vote for Bush and watch your sons and daughters die for Halliburton and Cheney.
Posted by paul on Dec 17, 2003 at 1:17 PM I don’t know what to think about all of this now. The war didn’t seem justified but now we have him and we can see what he did. I just think we’re all better off now. He was just an evil, sick, terrible man.
Dean seems like a deer caught in headlights now. What are we going to do? I don’t feel like supporting him any more. I won’t vote for Lieberman either- he’s a Republican. Gephardt I suppose.
Posted by Ed on Dec 17, 2003 at 1:18 PM Reap the seeds that we sow:
A thorough article. While one is quick to point out the blatant brutality of Saddam, the sophisticated but equally repugnant tactics employed by previous US administrations is often overlooked. Simply, let us count the blood on US hands:
(a) Giving chemical/biological pre-cursors to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war.
(b) After senior Bush said, “I wish the Iraqi’s would take the matter into their own hands” in the immediate aftermath of Gulfwar I, the Shittes/Kurds rose up. US Army simply watched when they were later slaughtered by Saddam.
(c) Illegally maintaining the 10+ years of sanctions under the pretext of WMD. Iraq did not have them. US/Britain bullied UN into prolonging the sanctions. Even two UN chiefs for humanitarian assistance resigned in protest. Half a million children died as a result.
(d) Gulf war II killed over 30-40K civilians and destroyed Iraqi infra-structure with shock and awe bombing.Saddam’s brutality had a willing and sometimes unwilling partner in the US. This stems from greed that uses the natural resources of the world with impunity, and a gullible public who refuse to ask tough questions to their elected representatives.
Raja
Posted by Kari on Dec 17, 2003 at 1:36 PM It’s all about Oil, defense expenditures (contracts), protecting Israel and expanding American Hegemony. To those who would call questioning these motives whining, I would say such comments were probably not rare in the rise of the Third Reich. What we are witnessing is nothing less than the descent of what little remains of our democracy into the hole of the corporate state. There really is no “America” anymore. The government is merely a PR firm hijacked by the corporations to wage their insatiable quest for profit through globalization, conquest, assasination and mass murder. Both Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, and Mr. Peanut for Peace Farmer were all criminals involved in highly organized criminal enterprizes. If you want to idolize any of them, such desire can only be born of ignorance, fear, complicity or a completely illogical lack of basic humanity. It is not a liberal or conservative issue anymore; it is not Democrat vs. Republican. Our nation is being destroyed, and we are pointing the finger at each other while these billionaires swim in the grease of the poor and the blood of the slain.
Posted by Anthony McArthur on Dec 17, 2003 at 1:44 PM Gary K. Kiser:
I assume your post is addressed to me, but I can’t tell because your writing is abysmal. I’d like to respond but I don’t know what your point is because you don’t write in complete sentences.
What the hell does this mean?: “If you guys want to rule the world, kill anybody you want to, capture all the oil, gold, and drugs for our own profit.”
Posted by Stan on Dec 17, 2003 at 3:26 PM Ugh...as though such a well-researched
and accurate article should only be
of interest to “leftist whiners.” What is
happening to our troops in Iraq right
now is a good reminder that reality matters
more than any dimwitted ideological wetdream,
be it the brainchild of leftists or neo-conservatives.
This particular mess may be laid squarely at the doorstep
of the neo-conservatives and their delusions of grandeur, along
with a president who was willing to lie through his teeth to
support them. The sooner the American public understands the emptiness of
these delusions (of which the roping of the irrelevant
sad sack Saddam is a manifestation), the sooner our troops
(the real troops, not these caviar-chowing chickenhawks)
will be out of harm’s way. -Michael
Posted by Michael on Dec 17, 2003 at 4:11 PM We Finally Got Our Frankenstein
By Michael Moore, MichaelMoore.com
December 15, 2003
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17389I had much the same reaction when I heard of Saddam’s capture.
First, this has nothing to so with America’s security because, as so many have said before the war, there is no proof Hussein had anything to do with al-Queda or 9/11. And it is insulting and I would argue impeachable to have prosecuted a war based on lies!
Second, if I was the “townsfolk” in Iraq I’d be saying what the f---k took you so long to call back your freaking monstor, Doctor? A little late ain’t you?
Now, let’s look at the costs of taking back the US’s own monster shall we?
*500 Americans killed
*2500 Americans wounded
*10,000 + Iraqis killed
*$160 Billion of taxpayer money that future generations will have to pay
*damaged relations with nearly every allyWas it immoral and illegal? Yes.
The potential danger of the precedence set by Bush’s pre-emptive strike ideology put into action (based on lies) goes far beyond what any of us can imagine for the future.
Practically speaking, if overthrowing Saddam was the main objective (which I don’t believe for a second) how hard can it be to find a decent spy to get into the inner circle of this guy? Or, for that matter, how hard would it have been to pay off someone in his inner
circle to cut Saddam’s throat?
Look at the example of Manuel Noriega.Bush is incompetent as well as a treasonous, lying weasel and the source of all the motives you could ask for is in one word: oil.
Posted by John on Dec 17, 2003 at 4:14 PM Staked out like a goat, Saddam’s capture just in time for ploitical hay.......
Posted by ray on Dec 17, 2003 at 4:40 PM Dear Americans,your problems are many, one of them is blood thirsty. Sit and drink yourself dumb and watch Fox news. The Iraq war is really--ISRAOIL. Assume that all the politicians and top cival servants are Russians--Commies in america.Would you question the numbers and take a stand why you or your family does not qualify. A normal person would put limits. Many people call Americans stupid, wake-up-----A limit should be placed on the blotted Russian Jews in power in both parties. What a mess-----Does anyone know why America hated the communists-----because the American Jews did not like what the Russians did folks!
Posted by george archers on Dec 17, 2003 at 5:10 PM George Archers, do you expect people to take you seriously when you harp on the time-worn “the US is controlled by Jews” diatribe? I hope not. This article has nothing new to say. It’s no secret that Hussein was a US ally 20 years ago. Nor is it particulary scandalous. Iran was a much bigger threat to than Iraq was at the time. Remember the hostages?
What’s so pathetic is that you leftists refuse to recognize that the removal from power and capture of Saddam Hussein is a HUGE achievement for the United States a wonderful thing for the Iraqi people. I’m not going to claim that the invasion was a humanitarian mission, but you’re lying to yourself if you think the world is not a better place with Saddam Hussein rotting in jail. I can’t wait until we hand him over to the Iraqis instead of the Hague.
Posted by Al on Dec 17, 2003 at 6:11 PM George Archers: Not only do you hate Jews, you hate Jews of Russian desent. So, me being a Jew of Russian desent isn’t going to make us buddies. Since you believe that there are so many Russian Jews in the major parties and there should be a cap on it, I was wonder what that cap should be? Are we violating that cap right now?
By the way, we hated the Russian communists because they were Communists, who were angling to destroy us.
Archers, keep that attitude going and you can forget about us letting Canada become our 51st state.
Posted by brad on Dec 17, 2003 at 8:16 PM it’s unfortunate and very sad to read american comments bout this article..it’s like hey’ve no feeling at all it’s like they think they are in a different world alltogether..Of course we down here in Africa will be glad if all tyrants and dictators will be wiped out but then there are people who always prop up dictators,infest the world with tyrants and murdeeres in a bid to selfishly get what they want (American interest) and and when and if they get what they want..they turn round castigate ,bedevil and make it seem they are the good guys who want to eliminate all evils...personally the thinking here in Africa is that American leaders are no better than Saddam..we know they brought him up make him the dictator gave him WMD finance him make him kill with impunity and cover it up for him work for them and they will like us to say thank you for liberating Iraq..I think americans are soo increduluous hence no matter what genuine people think,oher gunuine people believe that whatever US government does in terms of murder destruction iliegal invations etc...it has the blessing of ordinary people like those who make comments here and therefore Osama is right in targetting each and everyone he can lay his hands on cause every american is the same in thinking....we believe the day of reckoning no matter how distant it is will come on US thank you
Posted by Jane on Dec 17, 2003 at 11:57 PM i detest and hate what american government and americans od such like minds are doing...where is the dignity in showing live on TV a deposed leader all beit tyrant- being treated and checked for lice and infestation like a captured gorrila from the forest..well he doesn’t matter cause to americans once they don’t like you,you become a sub-human and nonentity...anyway a tradition has been set by america if you feel you’re powerful enough you can go for whatever you want international law or no international law...we look at the day when US will like every country to forcefully adhere to what United nations and the international community says…
Posted by Abdul -Karim on Dec 18, 2003 at 12:13 AM We americans don’t don’t wanna be castigated and seen to have faulted the law and the world,because we have the feeling that we are super human.Personally I always want to be objective and principled if even it will send me to my grave I want to aks where is the reason we illigally by passed the UN and all the wise thing members of the international community in invading a sovereign country which is no shred a threat to us? where is the soo much touted connection between Al-qaeda and the deposed regime of Saddam? why do we do unto others things we hate others to do unto us ??? think Noriega,Saddam etc..? why do we want to rope in UN after things weren’t going right when we didn’t listen to the UN in the first place? why did we employ Saddam for our interest and later scourge and vilify the man when we ‘re the source of what he has practically done to his people? where is the WMD for which we aggresively and unjustiably attacked Iraq? and why has the goal post shifted now from WMD which pres. Bush and hon Collin Powell touted so much- to freeing Iraq from murderer and tyrant? who authorise us to attack another sovereign country and free it’s people? is it confirm on us because we are powerful country on earth? and how about the thousands and thousands of innocent civilians killed in the illigal aggression? is Osama bin Laden right in attacking us after all? cause the children of Iraq whose remain after their fathers,mothers ,brothers ,sisters and relatives killed will undoubtedly chase us as Osama is doing now and for sure we will turn and brand them terrorist cause to us terrorism can only be defined in our own perspective. I pray to God that the ordinary people of this great country will wake up and stand for what america is and stop our leaders from dharming us
Posted by Sidiqu on Dec 18, 2003 at 12:33 AM Please leave Dean alone. If you have a consceince,if you are principled and selfless applaud Dean. There are dictators tyrants and murderers in us albeit in a different cloth who are not different from Saddam. yes we thank God we’re today relieved from one but there remains many of them..But dean is clearly not one of them Thank yu Dean we want a safer world from the Bushes God bless you Dean
Posted by saVIOLA on Dec 18, 2003 at 12:39 AM I would like to comment on behalf of the very few liberal Marines in the world,yes there is a few of us, and to you right wingers no I do not sit behind a desk and count pencils. I am a GRUNT! and have been everywhere from Somalia to Iraq serving my country. At first I was all hyped up about 9/11. and it still saddens/enrages me that our owm government would ignore warnings about attacks against us. Then to go to war against a country that “supposedly” has WMDs, that is utterly incomprehensible to me. I joined the armed services to fight honorablely(if there is such a thing)and to defend my nation against all threats foreign and domestic not made up nightmares. Thankyou to everyone that supports the troops and thankyou to all of those who continually seek the truth and are not afraid to express thier beliefs and opinions. To those who choose to ignore the truth and forget how this country was founded, open your eyes/mind and pickup a history book.
Posted by stevo on Dec 18, 2003 at 9:48 AM Talk about Missing History… it’s happening as we speak. YESTERDAY, I got an email from TVNL (which sends out daily headlines and alerts) that came from CBS....and was scooped on the Internet by this site. Within hours, Drudge and others were headlining the story. But, but, but....not a word in the corporate media. WP ignored it. NY Times ignored it. CNN is worried about Hinckley. Here’s some of the email. Now wonder why we use the term: Media Whores!
http://tvnewslies.org/html/news.html#911NEWS
9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable - For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston. - “As you read the report, you’re going to have a pretty clear idea what wasn’t done and what should have been done,” he said. “This was not something that had to happen.” - “How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility,”
Shhh....don’t tell the public. Bush’s figures may drop.
Posted by Reggie on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:07 AM Folks! It’s time for a revolution. It’s time we wrested this country out of the hands of the government, and gave it back to the people.
We need a revolution! Fight for your freedoms! Fight and overthrow this government that has made our glorious country nothing more than a carbunkle on the face of the globe!
Voting doesn’t help. If voting actually changed anything it would be illegal by now! We need to fight!
Don’t bother writting your congress critter. They only listen to money and lobbyists who represent special interest groups.
Rise UP! This land is OUR land! The only goog politician is a dead politician. Anarchy is the ONLY true form of democracy.
Take up your arms and overthrow this government of liars, and users. They act without our consent. The arrest us or mark us when we speak out against their actioins. They brand us Terrorists, or Communists. when they couldn’t be more far from the truth.
A true patriot would NOT sit back and let this dastardly ship of fools ruin our great country!
Rise Up!!! Revolt!!!
Posted by FreedomFighter on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:43 AM This is a news story of an actual event yet people are still missing the point. The US supported and built up Sadams military. He may have been a nasty peice of work but the US gave him the weapons with which he did the damage.
Sadam gassing those Iranian troops was shocking yet that technology and even the military intelligence came from the US.
Kuwait was another dictatorship with an apalling record on human rights and torture yet they became the good guys and no one mentioned that any more because they’re on our side now.Anyone that says Sadam is the bad guy and the US are the good guys is completely missing the point.
You played Frankenstein, created a monster and then spent billions and killed thousands to get rid of him.
Oh and where’s Bin Laden? Down with the CIA that’s where. Probably having tea with Bush Snr.
Posted by Toby on Dec 18, 2003 at 12:04 PM Yeah, I agree that this is a pretty thorough article. A lot of it comes as no surprise though. It’s the utterly ignorant comments from cult member Bush supporting Retardlicans that are truly surprising. The fact is that the capture of Hussein is meaningless for the U.S. (great for Iraqis, however). Have we already forgotten the reasons that this administration gave for invading Iraq? 1) “imminent” threat from W.M.D. 2) connection between Saddam & 9-11. Neither have been proven! In fact, what has been proven - over & over again, I may add - is that this administration lied us into this war & continues lying on a daily basis. They’re not even good lies. They’re completely transparent! The more you look into the shady business dealings of Bush administration members (& the info is not hard to find), the more wreak of pure evil. I’m sorry, but this administration is sooo blatently corrupt & sooo blatently anti-American & sooo utterly without conscience, you’d have to be completely brainwashed to continue supporting them. Either that or just evil.
Posted by Omar on Dec 18, 2003 at 12:29 PM I’m with you Omar. As a U.S. Citizen. I’ve been horrified at the way the cowed American public has just accepted what’s been spoon fed to them.
That’s why I think all the free thinkers should unite. That’s why I feel we need to oust our government and restore this country to the way it used to be.
Posted by FreedomFighter on Dec 18, 2003 at 1:05 PM I just like to thank robert Perry for the informative article and In these Times for allowing free speech and let the Brad know that I do not hate all Jews . I wish someone can answer my un-answered question---why america declared war on anyone connected to communism. The killings that took place --for what fear and for whom?
How many know about Lenin and his killings and why the Jews hated Stalin. After reading much on this subject(JewWatch.com), my conclusion is that the American Jews took control of America to punish Russia. Now it is the terrorism war cry--lead by the zionists to punish the middle-east. Has anyone seen the picture of Jr. Bush wearing a skull cap in front of the whaling wall in 1998 and promising Israel if elected Iraq. Please--most of the politicians are in Jewish pockets. watching--Senator(Jew) Polesi and Collin Powell at the last AIPAC meetig was sicking.Promises to Israel-- tax payers money---arms, Saddams head.So, I can not understand Brads position--if someone brings the true fact that politicians are being controlled and bribbed by Jewish money and most are of Russian jews hertage---Is it anti-semetic, to say America has been taken over by greedy Jews. Name me one that is not Russian Brad? Putin is on the right track--he is jailing them. Instead Bush is lining his pockets with Enrons loot.
FIRST DAYS OF NIXON IN OFFICE, WAS RECORDED ON TAPES” I’M SURROUNDED BY JEWS AND I’M NO CROOK”
Posted by george archers on Dec 18, 2003 at 1:36 PM As a life-long Democrat from a proud liberal tradition, I would love to see someone like Dean win… however, I more want to see Bush defeated and playing golf with his daddy after ‘04.
I think Wes Clark is the man. His resume is the bomb.... he gives us [Democrats] the strength we need for national defense and he could bring in some southern states. Look at the ad Democrats are running about Dean.... bin Laden on the cover of TIME and commentary on weak defense with a President Dean. If that is the Democrats, think what Karl Rove can do.
On “Hardball” a couple of nights ago, Senator John McCain made a prediction that as much as I hate, I fear is true..... A Howard Dean ticket will loose the White House and all five southern senate seats.
Dems. can’t afford to give the Republicans back the White House and more control in the US Senate.
Posted by crd on Dec 18, 2003 at 2:20 PM If you think Rummie’s picture with saddam is bad--look at this creep wailing at the wailing wall wearing a yarmulke--what some guys would do for a handout.
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2064424
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=1912&fcategory_desc=The Bush Crime Family
Posted by george archers on Dec 18, 2003 at 2:45 PM Gary K Kiser - right on.
stevo - Right the F*CK on!! Tell the troops we love them, and even if President AWOL was too much of a p*ssy to even show up for the air national guard - that many many liberals here stateside support our soldiers and what they signed up to do - protect the people and Constitution of the United States of America.
Here’s a thought for both sides of the aisle: Power politics is and has always been a “dirty” business. Nation-states have been at it for thousands of years and today is no different.
This is the crucial difference in 2003: The United States of America is a democratic republic, which means that anything our government does - especially as far as the rest of the world is concerned - is done in the name of her citizenry. That’s us.
So, when a grave tragedy such as 9/11 happens, we owe it to ourselves to ask why people hate us so much! Is it because some people “just hate freedom” as all the President’s worldly experience tells us? [keeping in mind the man never travelled abroad until being sworn in as President].
No, the answer is [partly] contained in the historical facts from the above article. The answer lies in the corrupt and unsavory characters we have used to murder and kill their own people, which - in a totally pragmatic and non-judgemental way - we have used to win the Great Game. So here we are today. Not bad or good, just the way the world works.
So, logic dictates that the key to preventing future tragedies such as 9/11 actually lies in understanding the causes for all this misery and making amends to those we have wronged. And, we can’t do that unless we actually know the factual history of what was committed in our name in the past.
To make this country safer, knowledge trumps ignorance every time.
What is unpatriotic - Stan and co. - is playing cheerleader to policies that are counter-productive, and encouraging people to actually know less!
Saddam is gone, which is great for Iraqis. . . Too bad he had nothing to do with the World Trade Center. But the Great Game continues, and we citizens had better understand where we fall on the chessboard.
Posted by Ed Mellon on Dec 18, 2003 at 5:04 PM PS - Sorry Saviola, but Dean is a sure loser in the Game here stateside. No democrat has won without carrying at least part of the South, and [as the GOP will paint it] a Yankee from Vermont who is for gay marriage just won’t cut it.
General Wesley Clark is the only one who can beat Bush. Some of his history scares me, but at least I know he wouldn’t be FOR actually putting more arsenic, mercury and other pollutants in my kid’s drinking water.
How Bush gets off the hook when he is actually hurting American families is unfathomable. Let’s forget the carping and nominate someone who can actually win, before our great-grandchildren inherit our debts.
Posted by Ed Mellon on Dec 18, 2003 at 5:12 PM Were the people from enron? Ken Lay and teh boys jewish? No. Pelosi is part of the dem party and extremely critical of Bush. Is Ashcroft Jewish? How bout Condi and Powell? Or Cheney?
What’s wrong with Bush respecting Jewish tradtion and wearing a yarmulke at the western wall?
The reason what you are saying is anti-jew is because you say only jews pay off government; which is something you just made up. I suggest that some of the readers go to the site. The site is extremely anti-semitic. It calls the aclu, the simon weisenthal center “hate groups”.
Archers, you hate jewish people.
I really wish I wasn;t the only one that called this asshole out.
Posted by brad on Dec 18, 2003 at 6:08 PM Anthony McArthur’s article just about somes it up. It is unfortunate that so many innocent people had to DIE.
Posted by Dan on Dec 19, 2003 at 12:40 AM in order for a democracy to function in a way which benefits its citizens, the government must be transparent. that is pretty much the point of having a democratic system. when you have all this deception and ass-covering, you end up with a system that fails and ultimately controls its citizenry.
i’m looking for any ideas on how to remedy our system…
so far, it seems like one way is to steer clear of corporate candidates in elections at every level.
Posted by mike on Dec 19, 2003 at 12:41 AM After scrutinising the facts over the last twenty years, it is not a surprising conclusion that Saddam was the most stupidest Arab leader of all time. He launched a war of aggression with the encouragement of the USA and others slaughtering millions in the process. Then he was led on by the US who gave him a nod and a wink to say it was OK to give Kuwait a good kicking. The Americans then encouraged by the Israelis saw that as a splendid opportunity to shackle Saddam by declaring his invasion illegal and launched the first Gulf war which effectively destroyed Iraqs capability setting it back ten years. They then applied sanctions to make sure that Iraq was reduced to further poverty and finally they invented an excuse of non existent WMD and non existent links to Al-Qaida to invade and capture the Iraqi oil fields and establish a strategic base. Meanwhile old turdbrain Saddam has put himself in dubya’s xmas stocking as a present so he can get a major boost to his election campaign at the appropriate time(probably the middle of next year). What a genius eh? unsurprising really given his background as a lowly thug.
Posted by Zing on Dec 19, 2003 at 9:04 AM This should be in all of the news media over the whole of this country. Don’t be selfish and confine it to the sale of your book.
Posted by Mary Lou Newlon on Dec 19, 2003 at 1:02 PM Well, assuming the above is true, doesn’t that give the US a GREATER responsibility for ousting Sadam? While I didn’t support the war, I am happy that the eventual outcome is that Saddam is no longer in power. Even some good can come from a misguided war.
Posted by J- on Dec 19, 2003 at 5:30 PM Brad,
You’re absolutely right. Personally, I kind of ignored his posts because the fellow seemed like he might be downright insane. Probably also because I’m not jewish, it didn’t bother me as much. . . So you called us all on that one and we deserved it.
Apologies.
Posted by Ed Mellon on Dec 19, 2003 at 6:47 PM American Butchers stand up and be counted!
Before joining with the Bush administration and its media flunkies for another round of boob-hustling, bear in mind the wholly one-sided nature of “war crimes” prosecutions. Had there ever been a sincere effort to punish those who intentionally inflicted needless death and suffering upon civilian populations, Winston Churchill and Harry Truman would have ended their careers on the hangman’s scaffold (as would Roosevelt, had he survived the war). It has been estimated that British and American terror bombings of German cities – directed not at military installations, but civilian targets – killed over half a million people. The fire bombings of Dresden – a city with no more military significance than Beverly Hills – led to the deaths of anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 or more persons. The attack on Hamburg killed some 40,000; Wurzburg added another 6,000 dead; while the massive raid on Cologne (K?ln) added more victims.The British openly defended such attacks as a way of terrorizing the German people into demanding a surrender. The head of the RAF Bomber Command, Arthur “Bomber” Harris, confessed to even more brutal purposes in declaring that bombing raids on German cities occurred simply because the allies had run out of other targets to bomb! Harris’ statement that “bombing anything in Germany is better than bombing nothing” summarizes the purpose of such raids. (I am amused by Anglophiles who hold up the British as an example of a “civilizing” influence in the world!)
Nor can we overlook what may be the most grievous war crime and act of state terrorism: the American nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some 105,000 were estimated to have been killed outright by these bombs – including American prisoners of war being held in a nearby prison camp – with many more than that number who subsequently died from radiation burns and secondary diseases. That many Americans continue to assuage themselves with the lie that these bombings brought about an end of the war – the Japanese had been trying to surrender before the attacks – reflects the same need of people to distance themselves from the wrongs of their government as is found in the oft-cited statements of Germans who “didn’t know” of the vile practices being engaged in by their Nazi leaders.
Posted by Marcel Eck on Dec 19, 2003 at 9:45 PM Big Deal! We captured a slug who had nothing to do with 9/11. That doesn’t change the fact that this war was based on lie after lie after lie.
Posted by Vinnie on Dec 19, 2003 at 11:18 PM Woa! So much response about
Howard Dean after this article.
Have any of the readers tuned
into DENNIS KUCINICH?
Amazed, for he is the Only candidate
running with a plan to bring the “TROOPS HOME” from IRAQ.
visit his website @ www.kucinich.us
The only candidate who marched in
any “stop the war” rallies that took
place globally, the only candidate
who has experience with and pledges to unsurface the lies for the
American people, the only one with experience in breaking up Corporate Monopolies, and the only
one who’s history is about beating
entrenched Republican Incumbents. “the truth shall set you free”. That is what this article is about, the truth, which is every bit
of what DENNIS KUCINICH practices in his politics. WE CANNOT leave the troops there and
allow America to continue to rape that country! if it was wrong to go in, it’s wrong to stay in! and KUCINICH is the ONLY candidate
who supports and has a plan to
“Bring the troops home”., check it out!
http://www.kucinich.us/bringourtroopshome.php
www.kucinich.us
Posted by Kfairbanks on Dec 19, 2003 at 11:35 PM Came across a great article concerning the Bush/Saudi relationship and how it has effected Iraq and the Muslim world in general. It is a great read and I hope you all, regardless of political views, will take the time to read. The web address is www.hermes-press.com/bushsaud.htm
Posted by Jeff on Dec 20, 2003 at 10:12 AM Let me try this again:
http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htmIf this link does not work go to www.hermes-press.com and look for Bush - Saudi Connection at the bottom of the page.
Posted by Jeff on Dec 20, 2003 at 10:18 AM Thank you for an informative and
educationalarticle!!
Regards,
Larry S. Jones
Posted by Larry S. Jones on Dec 20, 2003 at 5:33 PM NYT--post,I thought readers would like to read it
AMERICA’S FREEDUM----More Lies--had a enough dummies? How does Bush & co. get away with lieing---simple, the Jewish interests are more important than our own. Murdoc just got Direct TV ownership---a prize from Bush for being good $hits. Ah! Saddam--god be with you--Bush and Jewish Co. is about to kill you--but slowly “But perhaps the mother of all conspiracy theories, is the one about the pictures distributed by the Americans showing the hideout with a palm tree behind the soldier who uncov ered the hole where Saddam was hiding. The palm carried a cluster of pre-ripened yellow dates, which might suggest that Saddam was arrested at least three months earlier, because dates ripen in the summer when they turn into their black or brown colour.” Ever heard Americans called STUPID?I guess there is others like me, who see the real villians of America.
Posted by george archers on Dec 21, 2003 at 6:29 AM As soon as you post some form of anti semitism or biggotry the whole point of the discusion gets missed and it turns into a slanging match.
The Bushes are connected right up with the Saudi royal family and when you consider where the 9/11 terrorists came from, I personally find this more worrying than anything else.
Like I said if you want to know where Bin Laden is, ask Bush Snr.
Posted by Toby on Dec 21, 2003 at 7:25 AM It always amazes me how critical articles of this kind elicit the most ignorant responses from conservatives. Their responses are always emotionally charged and devoid of reason, just blind allegiances:
“This article is proof that you [leftists] will find something to bitch about no matter what happens.”
Alot of questions still need to be answered, as the article suggests, in regards to the Presidents’ involvement in the Iran/Iraq wars. Yet, without absolute certainty, one thing is clear: Teicher’s testimony is damaging. His affidavit, seen in light of the current adminstration’s, not secretive, but blatant lies and manipulations, including the suppression of historical documents, leaves very little room for doubt as to the nature of their complicity.
Posted by Timothy Brown on Dec 21, 2003 at 3:28 PM Song Rumsfeld hums to himself when thinking about the old days with Sadam:
“Memories
from the corners of my mind
Misty water color memories
of the way we were…Could it be that things were oh so simple then?
Or has time rewritten every word...”
(answer: apparently)What political gain the Kurds have negotiated for handing over Saddam remains to be seen. Ah, and the terror level has been raised to high again today. Will the wonders never cease...I thought we were completely safe now that S.H. is captured. Oh, and they blew up some more oil pipelines today… where’s our instant safety and end of combat now that they caught the guy that looks a little like that guy that knocked down the World trade centers. (The fact that they despised each other seems irrelevant to those who want to believe that because they have similar stats and are from the same region they must be in cahoots.)
There’s a saying that what man meant for evil God can turn into good, which is, I feel, what God did by helping the Kurds capture Saddam. It does not mean that we will not have many more casualties in Iraq, that we are not in a quagmire, and that a fundamentalist regime will not rise up (in what was once a secular nation) in which women and children will be universally brutalized as the law of the land. I fail to see how the loss of one American life (not to mention the at least 10,000 Iraqi lives) was worth this, especially in light of the fact that we are no safer, and if anything, we are less safe, with al qaeda stronger and poppy cultivation to fund them up 300 percent. And especially in light of the fact that we went into this, supposedly, to wage a “war on terror”, not free the Iraqis. I think Clark was right when he said that 41 keeps waging war on states, which is futile when you are fighting terrorism. We need a new approach.
Posted by Susan on Dec 21, 2003 at 9:31 PM Season’s greetings from Australia, and thank you very much for this excellent article.
Your readers might also be interested in a big article called ‘Myths of the War on Terrorism and Iraq’ http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/myths.html that has hundreds of links as well as exposing the myths and lies. Thank you, and best wishes.
Posted by Pip Wilson on Dec 21, 2003 at 9:36 PM Excellent reading. If We The People libereated Iraq from bondage, perhaps it’s time to free Tibet from Communist China.
Oh, and Liberman will never be the DEMnom...somebody should draft RFK, Jr. - there’s both vision and integrity.
Posted by Wotan on Dec 22, 2003 at 12:00 AM All the world is celebrating to see Hussein behind bars. It’s about time America took out its pet dictator. Here are some tips to make it easier next time:
1. Don’t prop up dictators, or give them recipes for WMD.
2. Don’t sanction despotic countries, foremost because it kills innocent people needlessly--which Hussein was doing just fine without international help--but also because it tends to discourage popular revolt (compare the Ceausescu and Apartheid governments to those of Castro and Hussein, for example).
3. Ignore the “right-left” rhetoric of blowhards--discuss policy instead, and frame it in an accurate historical context.
4. Show thanks to great investigative reporters like the eminent Robert Parry for exposing government deception by reading their work regularly (http://www.consortiumnews.com/). Without them, Watergate would happen every day.Saddamís done. But there are many, many oppressed people yet to liberate. So now on to Saudi Arabia! Then Uganda!! Next North Korea!!! Colombia!!!! (Yeah, right. Like America cares enough about THOSE oppressed people to flout International Law.)
Posted by johnnybg on Dec 22, 2003 at 2:07 AM I am reading the comments and am totally confused. The article I just read was about the “lost history” between Iraq and the US. All the bozos comments I have read so far(Iam only half way through) don’t jive with the above article. I have known about this “history” for quite some time and have no doubt about its authenticity.
Most of the commentators on this article seem to know very little about US history, and that is a shame because that is why they can be so easily manipulated by this facist government that we have. Oh, wow. Did I just commit a pc faux pas in calling this government, facist? I think not. If we don’t wake up we will all be saying what the Germans did during and after WWII, “We knew nothing, NOTHING”.
As for the “progressive” who is ashamed of being one- grow up and stop whining. Saddam was an evil man, but when we wanted him to do our bidding he was “our” evil man. The US has been doing this kind of “diplomacy” for so many years that it is hard to believe there are people out there that still swallow the crap that politicians feed us.
As for Evan, boy, are you wish-washy. You go from a candidate who is anit-war to one who is pro-war and in the pockets of the well-heeled corporate fat cats. Check to see how much the pharmaceutical companies contributed to his campaign. Did good ol’ Joe vote for the boon-doggle of a medicare bill?
I could go on, but it wouldn’t make any difference. I guess I am a progressive “pessimist” as well.
Happy Hoidays!
PS I read the rest of the comments and now am not so pessimistic.
“Smile, be happy!”
Posted by Mark Werth on Dec 22, 2003 at 2:11 AM We should not forget:the societies create the leaders..
Saddam has killed thousands of Shiites, US did not act..
Saddam was killing thousans of Kurds; US was watching as European countries..
Bush or Saddam,stalin or Hitler,The Butcher Sharon or Kenan Evren (former general in turkey) are same...just the land, time and languages are different...all are same; the reasons are same..the remains? is tale..
Posted by Mehmet on Dec 22, 2003 at 3:34 AM Article is great. But Dean? What a load. The only nominee in the entire bunch with any sort of clue is Kucinich.
Posted by Gary on Dec 23, 2003 at 1:02 AM Remarkable story. I’d like to add something I heard from an Iraqi emigre friend: Saddam was recruited by the CIA first of all to destroy democracy in Iraq. The excellent and free educational system, the free health care, the long life expectancy, the low infant mortality in Iraq before Saddam were beginning to irk the Saud family, whose subjects along the desert border with Iraq had started wondering why Saudi oil money couldn’t be put to similar use. The US came to the aid of the Sauds, and authorized Saddam to liquidate every parlamentarian and politician who didn’t agree with him. There’s a film record of the session in the Iraqi parliament where everybody who didn’t raise their hand in agreement was taken away by Saddam’s soldiers.
Remember also that Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait came to order just a few months after the fall of the Soviet Union, when US and British parliamentarians had begun talking about cutting the defense budgets. Saddam to the rescue… Only a true friend would put up millions of his own subjects as targets, to ensure the continued performance of the Bush family’s defense investments.
Check out my article Parallels.
Posted by Gregory Greene on Dec 23, 2003 at 11:39 AM OK, the link above didn’t work out. The article Parallels is at http://gregorygreene.50megs.com/parallels.html
Posted by Gregory Greene on Dec 23, 2003 at 11:47 AM Sad how poorly educated the kids in this country are.
I totally agree with Lincoln of 12-17 -Dean shouldn’t fly in any small aircraft - but the one who reallyshouldn’t is Clarke- anybodywho poses a threat to Bush ill be smeared, explicably things will go terribly wrong, and if he’s a real threat- he’ll be offed.
May be it takes living under fascist dictatorship like I dd uder Generallisimo Francisco Franco in fascist Spain where to find out the truth of what was really going on you had to learn to read between the liines and to really think by putting two and two together. Most Americans do not think things out really well - even the papers print so many contradicions and suppositions and judgement -ladened conclusions passing for news.
Did you all know, for example, that the Kurds started celebraing Saddam’s capture way before the Americans supposed captured him? Check out the London Express - they had a reporter actually in the area who confirms that the Kurds were the ones who captured Saddam and negotiated a deal with the Americans afterwhich they turned him over , drugged, so the Americans could “find"him. THe Americans have very little intelligence because their own erroneous assumptions alwaysget in the way - that’s why they usually rely only on brute force and Madison Avenue propaganda. Whatever the candidate - Congrats to Parry and all the other real journalists who dig out and expose the truth. Linda Krausen
Posted by lkrausen on Dec 23, 2003 at 3:05 PM Many people say that they approved the invasion of Iraq because ìthe people were being oppressed and Saddam was a horrible manî. Well, the truth is, that is happening all over world. Anyone who thinks that oppression was only happening in Iraq needs to wake up and look at the big picture. Look at Turkmenistan. That poor country is hardly ever mentioned or brought up. Many people probably have never even heard of it. If you thought Iraq was bad, learn about Turkmenistan. Search for Turkmenistan on Google or look it up in an almanac. Hereís some background. The leader of Turkmenistan is Saparmurat Niyazov, who has been ruler since 1990. He is in charge of a government that rules with an iron fist, a government that has banned demonstrations, picketing, and strikes. A government that censors the Turkmen media 24 hours a day. Niyazov, who was once a party chairman for the Communists in the USSR, changed his name to Akbar Turkmenbashy sometime in the 90ís, which means ìGreat Father of all Turkmenî. His insanity is not limited to renaming Krasnovodsk, a large port city along the Caspian Sea, after himself. Turkmenbashyís portrait appears on the national currency, on vodka bottles, on packets of tea. Across the country, Turkmenbashy stares down from giant statues and from posters that say: ONE PEOPLE, ONE NATION, ONE TURKMENBASHY (In shocking resemblance to what the main slogan of the Nazis was: ONE PEOPLE, ONE NATION, ONE FUHRER). On Turkmen television, Turkmenbashy stares at you 24 hours a day from the upper-right-hand corner of the screen. It was only under intense and significant pressure exerted by the international community that Turkmenbashy was prevented from placing his face on the flag of Turkmenistan. Turkmenbashy has even renamed the months of the year. January is now known as Turkmenbashy, April is named for his mother, and October has been named for a book of his musings, which has been required reading in Turkmen schools since 2001. Turkmenbashy builds magnificient palaces for himself while his nation is living in poverty, is bankrupt, and its currency is collapsing. What about Zimbabwe?
Posted by Tabucky on Dec 23, 2003 at 4:43 PM (Continued)
That ruthless tyrant, Robert Mugabe, is looking more and more like the next Hitler. He has shut down every independent newspaper in the country; he disallows any dissent, violently breaking up protests; he has created ethnic conflicts all across the nation of Zimbabwe; and his country, thanks to him, has the largest inflation rate in the world and the largest unemployment rate in the world. How about Haiti? President Jean Bertrand Aristideís increasing brutal magalomania is driving Haiti into chaos. Fiji is another one. North Korea. Solomon Islands. Burma. Jordan. The list goes on and on where oppression and corruption occurs. My point is that there is oppression all around the world, and that invading countries is absolutely NOT the way to fix it. Why should we dispatch our precious, limited, troops everywhere that oppression, corruption, violence, injustice, hatred, discrimination, crime, totalitarianism, and inhumanity persists??
Posted by Tabucky on Dec 23, 2003 at 4:45 PM (Continued)
There is extreme contradiction in the Bush administrationís policies, promises, and actions. One glaring example of this is how Bush is going with the mentality of, and promising, ìWe are doing everything we can to deal with terrorism and the threat that it poses to the worldî. This is a sickening and disgusting thing to hear, because of the fact that we have invaded a Muslim country. IN INVADING IRAQ, WE HAVE DONE THE ABSOLUTE WORST POSSIBLE THING WE COULD HAVE. IN INVADING IRAQ, WE DID, ARE, AND WILL PRODUCE COUNTLESS NEW TERRORISTS. IN INVADING IRAQ, WE HAVE FUELED THE FIRE OF TERRORISM BY PROVIDING TERRORISTS WITH NEW MOTIVES, NEW STRENGTH, NEW RECRUITS, NEW HATRED, NEW UNISON, NEW PRIDE, NEW REASSURANCE, NEW DIGNITY, NEW CONFIDENCE, NEW HOSTILITY, NEW IDEAS, NEW VIGOR, NEW WILL POWER, NEW SYMPATHY, NEW ADMIRATION, NEW CAUSES, NEW DETERMINATION, NEW RELENTLESSNESS, NEW AUDACITY, AND NEW RESOLVE. I, as will almost any terrorism expert, find the Iraq war an awful, extraordinarily arrogant action to take in the face of terrorism. By invading Iraq, we have produced a brand new breed of terrorists that are tougher than ever and have much reason to become what they are. By occupying, invading, and dispatching troops in other countries, we make foes, not friends. The hatred of America around the world is mostly because of American presence in other countries. By building military bases and such, we are setting ourselves up for the worst. No, other countries donít hate us and despise of us because we are rich, or we are powerful, or we are smart, or because they are jealous of us. They hate us because we constantly act like we are the best and because we try to show superiority by building bases, showing presence, and acting oh-so-smug about our almighty selves. We need to stop this bullshit, leave other countries alone, stop intervening in other countriesí affairs, and focus on us and how to improve upon ourselves, before we try to perfect and improve other countries. Also, tell Bush that soldiers are not his toys.
Posted by Tabucky on Dec 23, 2003 at 4:46 PM (Continued)
Kucinich does look like the best candidate. But he has absolutely no chance. Dean will easily take the nomination. When he does, I think it would be an excellent idea for Dean to get Clark to be his running mate or VP. Because of Clark’s large popularity, this would make the chances of defeating Bush much much greater.
Posted by Tabucky on Dec 23, 2003 at 4:48 PM Last post:
Here are some excellent links:
http://www.bushbodycount.com/voices/thelist.php
http://www.bushbodycount.com/voices/background.php
Posted by Tabucky on Dec 23, 2003 at 4:52 PM THIS JUST SICKENS ME, I AM SO SICK OF HEARING HOW GREAT
PRES REAGAN WAS! HIS ADMIN
WAS SO CORRUPT, AND BUSH SR AND JR ARE FOLLOWING IN HIS
FOOTSTEPS, AS ALWAYS THEY
WILL BLAME IT ON CARTER AND
CLINTON. REAGAN, BUSH SR AND
BUSH JR SHOULD ALL BE UP ON
CHARGES FOR TREASON! THEY ALL LIED AND CONTINUE TO THIS DAY.
Posted by Carole on Dec 24, 2003 at 12:38 AM What’s all the fuss in the comments about? For those of you who think that these types of stories are “unpatriotic”, don’t articles like this show that our leaders, in practising “realpolitik”, are relly looking out for your best interests? And for those who feel facts alluded to in the article proves the immorality of our foreign policy, get real! We, for better of worse, are operating in an atmosphere of enlightened self-interest, not unlike the trickle down (voodoo economics) theory, thile “they” are operating under something else. Neither seems to be very good at expressing the will of very confused populaces.
Posted by Nick Pellicciotto on Dec 24, 2003 at 4:10 PM What’s all the fuss in the comments about? For those of you who think that these types of stories are “unpatriotic”, don’t articles like this show that our leaders, in practising “realpolitik”, are relly looking out for your best interests? And for those who feel facts alluded to in the article proves the immorality of our foreign policy, get real! We, for better of worse, are operating in an atmosphere of enlightened self-interest, not unlike the trickle down (voodoo economics) theory, thile “they” are operating under something else. Neither seems to be very good at expressing the will of very confused populaces.
Posted by Nick Pellicciotto on Dec 24, 2003 at 4:12 PM That’s precisely the crux: it isn’t our best interest. It’s the interests of big business that are passed off as the interests of the nation. When this is done under enough patriotic fanfare and by the right ad agencies, we tend to believe the deception. But spending hundreds of billions on overpriced military hardware just to ensure the profits of the Bush family and other owners of the armament industry just isn’t in our interest. Neither is killing civilians in the Middle East. That’s done just to ensure that the country has enemies, so the next record defense budget gets approved, too. There’s a sucker born every minute, said a competitor of P. T. Barnum.
Posted by Gregory Greene on Dec 25, 2003 at 5:39 PM The most interesting thing is that Iran-Contra armed the Iranians to fight the Iraqis and prolong a war that killed hundreds of thousands and maimed millions.
Our problem with the world is a simple one, we do not live up to our own values and that gets us into real trouble.
Posted by David Walls on Dec 27, 2003 at 11:45 PM this is allll foolish american lobby,
lpc americanz n their bastards presidents, first they didnt stop iran-iraq war cause they were helping saddam n now they think saddam is threat. wtf, isnt jews threat to muslims. they think their liberation iraq, lol whole world knows who is n what is behind it. americans i tell u ONE DAY TRUTH WILL REVEAL N U WILL FACE HARSH INFRONT OF WHOLE WORLD.!!!! I SWEAR.
Posted by A MUSLIM on Jan 4, 2004 at 2:55 PM When Russia collapsed in the 80’s, and Reagan’s cold war was over, THE RIGHT WING SHIT THEIR PANTS. Oh no, peace! We can not have peace! What can we do? We will take terrorism under our wing. We will fund it. We will create our own dictatorous leaders all around the world. We will create a web of terror so complex it will take 19 years before the American public even knows it happened. Saddam, Khadafi, Noriega, Pinnochet and on and on. And when Americans do figure out what we did, it will take another 20 years for any investigations and settling of accounts. Can we do that? Of course we can, remember when we arranged it so that we will have controll of all the money in the world?
signed, the republican right.And England had Robin Hood, we have Howard Dean. Whoooaa!!
Posted by glenn on Jan 7, 2004 at 11:12 AM Let’s talk about “Patriotism”. George Bush should send his daughter to Iraq first, to get some rehab.
My friend’s son just joined the Airforce and after his first taste of the reality, without going through the “Ordeal”, called his Dad saying, “Dad, I just want to get the hell out of here”.
Posted by eddie.s on Jan 29, 2004 at 1:43 AM such small minds, this article explains alot and just reading some of your comments makes me sick… did you really read the article… do you really understand the scope of the corruption?? we may have saddaam but did’nt we create him in the first place??.. maybe i’m crazy and maybe i’m not but let him who has eyes read the warning of the mark of the beast because it’s here folks dont get it or forever burn in hell when the day cometh it shall go in the right hand or the forehead the bible exclaims.... I pray for you all http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_chipfamily020510.html
Posted by mike on Mar 25, 2004 at 12:01 AM I would like to hear more about this info.iF POSSIBLE can you give me the info about the NEW WORLD ORDER which I hear is being brewed in the U.S.
God bless you
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