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I just sent an email for Frosch which explains the truth abut Leonard Peltier. I am willing to do an interview if Mr. Frosch wants the thruth. Carter Camp, Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. AIM
Posted by Carter Camp on Mar 18, 2004 at 4:40 PM
Your story is remarkably irresponsible.
First of all, John Graham is not “awaiting extradition”. He is opposing extradition for a charge based entirely on unreliable hearsay.
As for Robert Robideau, his recent statements are surprisingly contradictory, one moment applauding the trial of Arlo Looking Cloud, the next moment condemning the justice system and those who testified at Arlo’s trial. It is also peculiar that while Robideau acts in defense of Peltier, he chooses Paul DeMain as the publisher of his statements.
As for Robideau’s rush to condemn John Graham, it is unfortunate he does not recall the support John Graham offered when he was awaiting trial.
Kamook’s credibility is questionable to say the least, having received tens-of-thousands of dollars by the FBI for her testify.
Most importantly, after reading your article, I am left wondering why you are not asking the obvious questions, about the scores of uninvestigated deaths on and around Pine Ridge during the 1970s, and about the FBI’s own autopsy which missed a bullet in Anna Mae’s head and had her hands severed for identification elsewhere, burying her as a “Jane Doe” and ruling her death the result of exposure.
Soon after, it was the American Indian Movement that requested the exhumation and second independent autopsy - an oddity to say the least, if we believe the FBI’s claim that AIM ordered Anna Mae’s execution.
This farcical series of trials is simply an opportunity for the FBI to both cover their tracks with respect to their own apparent involvement in Anna Mae’s death, and to condemn Peltier to permanent incarceration.
They are also succeeding in continuing the practices of yesteryear, by turning allies against each other.
But much to the dismay of the authorities, John Graham has become a lightening rod for a new movement through which the truth about many things will be revealed. John Graham was Anna Mae’s friend and knew who she feared… and it was not AIM nor Leonard Peltier.
You are encouraged to view a 22-minute documentary about John Graham and this matter, by following the link on the homepage of the Graham Defense website at www.grahamdefense.org
Mr. Frosch, there is a brutal and corrupt system at work which your reporting would do well to explore. After all, your readers deserve better.
Matthew Lien, President
John Graham Defense Committee
Posted by Matthew Lien on Mar 18, 2004 at 9:08 PM
the people who advocate for the release of Leonard Peltier do so based on the fact that his trial was a fraud and that the FBI admitted tampering with the only evidence used in the trial . Mr Frosch admits this in the piece. Mr. Frosch then goes on to cloud the whole issue of fair trial with side issues. this is bullshit journalism.
The trial was a fraud and Peltier deserves a new trial just like anyone else who’s been fraudulently convicted.
Posted by Gene Roban on Mar 22, 2004 at 11:03 AM
Are you saying that people are not advocating the release of Leonard Peltier because they believe he is innocent?
Excuse my common sense, but if you believe him to be guilty, what difference does it make if the trial was flawed?
The guilty party was convicted.
Posted by Nus on Mar 26, 2004 at 1:26 PM
Why didn’t Frosch interview John Trudell? This line about the “whites” is rank bullshit. Leonard’s on the level. Clinton pardoned Mrc Rich because he was intimidated by the FBI. So is Frosch, and Nichols, and the rest of these liars.
Posted by Trevor Mack on Mar 27, 2004 at 11:05 PM
Anybody who has ever been up to Pine Ridge and the surrounding communities in Nebraska and South Dakota will tell you that that area of the country is in dire need of help on any sort. Any public attention to the rotten living conditions of this part of the HEARTLAND of America is welcome. Our government has created so many terrible offenses against Native Americans, that whether or not Leonard Peltier is guilty or innocent he should be freed. It would be a little bit of penance for what the white man has done to Native Americans for 500 years. Richard Nixon was pardoned for godsakes!!
Posted by Kyle Stoner on Mar 28, 2004 at 1:24 AM
Shocking and very sad. I was one of approx 200 at Lafayette Park across White house in summer 1994 with the likes of Kris Kristofferson asking his Rhodes buddy Clinton to free Leonard. I flew fr LA just to attend that and ceremonies by Mandan medicine men. Re- Arlo conviction-it was an all white jury. As a yearly supporter of Sundances in the Dakotahs, I have heard a responsible Elder conclude that “Leonard not really wanting to get out—as his life is safer inside!”
Posted by LILIA FIREFLY on Mar 28, 2004 at 3:41 PM
Kyle Stoner, do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up! Your comment is one of the stupidest things I’ve heard in years. Because the government has mistreated Indians then that piece of shit Peltier should go unpunished for executing two wounded FBI agents at point blank range? I guess we should turn loose that scumbag Abu-Jamal, too, since blacks have been mistreated therefore he shouldn’t be held responsible for killing a Philadelphia policeman. You and the rest of the leftist assholes who want to free a convicted killer for the “white man’s penance” should devote your efforts to doing something good instead trying to drum up support for the scum of the earth.
The world is a better, safer place with that piece of shit Peltier rotting in jail and when he dies it will be even better.
Posted by Harry on Mar 30, 2004 at 4:07 PM
This story is indeed quote irresponsible. There’s a lot of unsubstantiated material and conjecture here. Coupled with the provocative and definitively-toned title, I think the vaguaries and logical leaps of this article are surprisingly bad for something that appeared in In These Times.
Posted by Brian Awehali on Mar 30, 2004 at 4:42 PM
DAN FROSCH’S HALF BAKED PIECE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO RESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM. HE BASES HIS ARTICLE ON UNSUPPORTABLE SPECULATION FROM A GOVT. PAID WITNESS. HE GIVES CREDENCE TO A WITNESS WHO WAS HIGHLY PAID FOR HER TESTIMONY. mR. fROSCH, A SUPPOSED AWARD WINNER, SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THESE SMEARS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN GOVT SPEAK. IN OTHER WORDS, mR. FROSCH SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT. UNFORTUNATELYU WE ARE SEEING TOO MUCHJ OF THAT TODAY. SO IT GOES. GOVERNMENT REWRITES HISTORYH AND NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE. AND, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA COMMITS THE COUPDE GRAS IN PUBISHING PROPAGANDIZED GOVT POSITIONS.
Posted by BARRY BACHRACH on Mar 30, 2004 at 6:31 PM
Even if in reality Leonard is guilty, the coerced false testimony of Myrtle Poor Bear and the various falsifications and lies presented by the prosecution taints the entire case. At the very least, Leonard should get a new trial, with a new prosecution untainted by the original, to decide upon his guilt or innocence. I would like to think anyone else convicted on the basis of false evidence and underhanded tactics by the prosecution would get a second chance at a trial, although my own experiences with the reality of life in human society over the past decade has taught me otherwise.
To me, the criminal lengths to which the government and FBI went to in the process of putting down native and other movements during the 1960s and 1970s potentially taints any trial related to those events based on government-derived evidence. Outside of a trial using judges and prosecutors completely disconnected from the federal government, however, I’m not sure what the available options are. Perhaps a truth and reconciliation commission is needed?
Posted by Mark Bialkowski on Mar 31, 2004 at 6:29 AM
THE TRUTH ABOUT DAN FROSCH:So-and-So told me such and such. “truth”?????In These Times is stooping toward tabloid journalism with this article.Is this an early,not funny at all April Fools joke?Like Ms. Testermans mother I too cried upon hearing the ALLEGATIONS ,but for a different reason than her.I cried because to slander someone who has been through hell and continues to be punished for a crime that even the people who put him away say they can’t proove he commited is cruel.Has anyone been charged with the murder of Joe Killsright Stuntz?Frosch should be ashamed of himself.So should the editors for allowing hearsay to be presented as truth.
Posted by A Friend on Mar 31, 2004 at 4:13 PM
THE TRUTH ABOUT DAN FROSCH:So-and-So told me such and such. “truth”?????In These Times is stooping toward tabloid journalism with this article.Is this an early,not funny at all April Fools joke?Like Ms. Testermans mother I too cried upon hearing the ALLEGATIONS ,but for a different reason than her.I cried because to slander someone who has been through hell and continues to be punished for a crime that even the people who put him away say they can’t proove he commited is cruel.Has anyone been charged with the murder of Joe Killsright Stuntz?Frosch should be ashamed of himself.So should the editors for allowing hearsay to be presented as truth.
Posted by A Friend on Mar 31, 2004 at 4:13 PM
Hey Harry, how many innocent women and children did Nixon kill in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos in the name of freedom and democracy. I think the scales of justice might be a tad lopsided here.
Notice also that I didn’t swear once.
Posted by Kyle Stoner on Apr 2, 2004 at 10:54 AM
Kyle, what does Nixon have to do with any of this?
But if you want to change the subject by accusing Nixon of killing Southeast Asians then don’t forget to do the same for John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
Posted by Harry on Apr 2, 2004 at 1:28 PM
Dan,
keep up the good work. You can see how desperate some people are to believe the King has clothes on with this one. Some, even half-baked attorneys like Bachrach will do anything to get their name added to the story.
Ka-Mook Nicols was not a government paid informant. The $42,000 that was spent over four years that she was reimbursed for, included two security moves because the cronies of some of these so-called AIM leaders who hijacked the movement away from the people it belonged too, were, and are willing to committ murder. When you break those moves out of the money reimbursed to her, it leaves approximately $27,000 over four years for travel, lodging, phone, meals and other receipted expenses while she wore a wire to get some of these so-called warriors on the record admitting the involvement in Aquash
Posted by Paul DeMain on Apr 3, 2004 at 1:57 PM
Hey Hard Harry, I was reading Daniel Elsberg’s book about the Pentagon Papers, and in my first post I was making a correlation between Nixon’s pardoning for his crimes and Peltier still being in jail. That’s how Nixon got thrown into this discussion. But your right Johnson and Kennedy did also kill many innocents in the name of Patriotism and ‘the Red Menace’. Now that the cold war is over we finally got our new enemy…..Terrorism. It’s a lot easier to label everyone who disagrees with you a terrorist or communist. Some people actually are terrorists out in the world. These people are beyond reason, and have lost their humanity, and must be stopped. However, some of the people in the world who disagree with the US foreign policy have real reasons for their anger, much like Native Americans involved with AIM. I think we have to understand the difference or our country is headed down the toilet. The World is a big place and not all of us speak American.
Posted by Kyle Stoner on Apr 4, 2004 at 12:37 PM
I believe deep in my soul that Leonard is innocent.
Posted by Jo Kellabrew on Apr 4, 2004 at 5:09 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Kyle. I apologize for being so insensitive to Mr. Peltier’s anti-U.S. ideology. Now that I know that he and his followers had “real reasons for their anger” I agree with you that he shouldn’t be punished for killing two wounded FBI agents. Were the DC snipers equally justified in their attacks?
Posted by Harry on Apr 4, 2004 at 5:09 PM
i have tracked this case now for 28+ years, and have noticed that the most comments and support, both - and +, have come from people who neither knew (know) peltier and are non-indian. i know alot of those aim assholes from back in the day as well as i know my own, peltier included. and i know alot of them couldn’t kill, even if their lives depended on it, peltier included. alot of them talked a good war, in reality, i doubt any would have killed to protect elders,women, children, as they claim they would have. peltier has been claiming innocence, HOWEVER, he also claims to know who popped those two feds. by not revealing their idenity, and being a “stand-up guy”, he deserves to be where he is at. only a jack-ass would do a life bit for someone elses deed.
Posted by indian joe on Apr 7, 2004 at 10:41 AM
don’t believe me?? check the stats. from the ridge. goons 60 vs aim 0
Posted by indian joe on Apr 8, 2004 at 10:13 AM
Leonard Peltier is innocent. I am an actor and a director and am therefore highly qualified to second the decisions of the trial judge and jury as well as the appellate judges who have consistently affirmed Peltier’s conviction. When are people going to quit believing in the courts and put their faith in uneducated celebrities with a cause?
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I just sent an email for Frosch which explains the truth abut Leonard Peltier. I am willing to do an interview if Mr. Frosch wants the thruth. Carter Camp, Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. AIM
Your story is remarkably irresponsible.
First of all, John Graham is not “awaiting extradition”. He is opposing extradition for a charge based entirely on unreliable hearsay.
As for Robert Robideau, his recent statements are surprisingly contradictory, one moment applauding the trial of Arlo Looking Cloud, the next moment condemning the justice system and those who testified at Arlo’s trial. It is also peculiar that while Robideau acts in defense of Peltier, he chooses Paul DeMain as the publisher of his statements.
As for Robideau’s rush to condemn John Graham, it is unfortunate he does not recall the support John Graham offered when he was awaiting trial.
Kamook’s credibility is questionable to say the least, having received tens-of-thousands of dollars by the FBI for her testify.
Most importantly, after reading your article, I am left wondering why you are not asking the obvious questions, about the scores of uninvestigated deaths on and around Pine Ridge during the 1970s, and about the FBI’s own autopsy which missed a bullet in Anna Mae’s head and had her hands severed for identification elsewhere, burying her as a “Jane Doe” and ruling her death the result of exposure.
Soon after, it was the American Indian Movement that requested the exhumation and second independent autopsy - an oddity to say the least, if we believe the FBI’s claim that AIM ordered Anna Mae’s execution.
This farcical series of trials is simply an opportunity for the FBI to both cover their tracks with respect to their own apparent involvement in Anna Mae’s death, and to condemn Peltier to permanent incarceration.
They are also succeeding in continuing the practices of yesteryear, by turning allies against each other.
But much to the dismay of the authorities, John Graham has become a lightening rod for a new movement through which the truth about many things will be revealed. John Graham was Anna Mae’s friend and knew who she feared… and it was not AIM nor Leonard Peltier.
You are encouraged to view a 22-minute documentary about John Graham and this matter, by following the link on the homepage of the Graham Defense website at www.grahamdefense.org
Mr. Frosch, there is a brutal and corrupt system at work which your reporting would do well to explore. After all, your readers deserve better.
Matthew Lien, President
John Graham Defense Committee
the people who advocate for the release of Leonard Peltier do so based on the fact that his trial was a fraud and that the FBI admitted tampering with the only evidence used in the trial . Mr Frosch admits this in the piece. Mr. Frosch then goes on to cloud the whole issue of fair trial with side issues. this is bullshit journalism.
The trial was a fraud and Peltier deserves a new trial just like anyone else who’s been fraudulently convicted.
Are you saying that people are not advocating the release of Leonard Peltier because they believe he is innocent?
Excuse my common sense, but if you believe him to be guilty, what difference does it make if the trial was flawed?
The guilty party was convicted.
Why didn’t Frosch interview John Trudell? This line about the “whites” is rank bullshit. Leonard’s on the level. Clinton pardoned Mrc Rich because he was intimidated by the FBI. So is Frosch, and Nichols, and the rest of these liars.
Anybody who has ever been up to Pine Ridge and the surrounding communities in Nebraska and South Dakota will tell you that that area of the country is in dire need of help on any sort. Any public attention to the rotten living conditions of this part of the HEARTLAND of America is welcome. Our government has created so many terrible offenses against Native Americans, that whether or not Leonard Peltier is guilty or innocent he should be freed. It would be a little bit of penance for what the white man has done to Native Americans for 500 years. Richard Nixon was pardoned for godsakes!!
Shocking and very sad. I was one of approx 200 at Lafayette Park across White house in summer 1994 with the likes of Kris Kristofferson asking his Rhodes buddy Clinton to free Leonard. I flew fr LA just to attend that and ceremonies by Mandan medicine men. Re- Arlo conviction-it was an all white jury. As a yearly supporter of Sundances in the Dakotahs, I have heard a responsible Elder conclude that “Leonard not really wanting to get out—as his life is safer inside!”
Kyle Stoner, do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up! Your comment is one of the stupidest things I’ve heard in years. Because the government has mistreated Indians then that piece of shit Peltier should go unpunished for executing two wounded FBI agents at point blank range? I guess we should turn loose that scumbag Abu-Jamal, too, since blacks have been mistreated therefore he shouldn’t be held responsible for killing a Philadelphia policeman. You and the rest of the leftist assholes who want to free a convicted killer for the “white man’s penance” should devote your efforts to doing something good instead trying to drum up support for the scum of the earth.
The world is a better, safer place with that piece of shit Peltier rotting in jail and when he dies it will be even better.
This story is indeed quote irresponsible. There’s a lot of unsubstantiated material and conjecture here. Coupled with the provocative and definitively-toned title, I think the vaguaries and logical leaps of this article are surprisingly bad for something that appeared in In These Times.
DAN FROSCH’S HALF BAKED PIECE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO RESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM. HE BASES HIS ARTICLE ON UNSUPPORTABLE SPECULATION FROM A GOVT. PAID WITNESS. HE GIVES CREDENCE TO A WITNESS WHO WAS HIGHLY PAID FOR HER TESTIMONY. mR. fROSCH, A SUPPOSED AWARD WINNER, SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THESE SMEARS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN GOVT SPEAK. IN OTHER WORDS, mR. FROSCH SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT. UNFORTUNATELYU WE ARE SEEING TOO MUCHJ OF THAT TODAY. SO IT GOES. GOVERNMENT REWRITES HISTORYH AND NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE. AND, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA COMMITS THE COUPDE GRAS IN PUBISHING PROPAGANDIZED GOVT POSITIONS.
Even if in reality Leonard is guilty, the coerced false testimony of Myrtle Poor Bear and the various falsifications and lies presented by the prosecution taints the entire case. At the very least, Leonard should get a new trial, with a new prosecution untainted by the original, to decide upon his guilt or innocence. I would like to think anyone else convicted on the basis of false evidence and underhanded tactics by the prosecution would get a second chance at a trial, although my own experiences with the reality of life in human society over the past decade has taught me otherwise.
To me, the criminal lengths to which the government and FBI went to in the process of putting down native and other movements during the 1960s and 1970s potentially taints any trial related to those events based on government-derived evidence. Outside of a trial using judges and prosecutors completely disconnected from the federal government, however, I’m not sure what the available options are. Perhaps a truth and reconciliation commission is needed?
THE TRUTH ABOUT DAN FROSCH:So-and-So told me such and such. “truth”?????In These Times is stooping toward tabloid journalism with this article.Is this an early,not funny at all April Fools joke?Like Ms. Testermans mother I too cried upon hearing the ALLEGATIONS ,but for a different reason than her.I cried because to slander someone who has been through hell and continues to be punished for a crime that even the people who put him away say they can’t proove he commited is cruel.Has anyone been charged with the murder of Joe Killsright Stuntz?Frosch should be ashamed of himself.So should the editors for allowing hearsay to be presented as truth.
THE TRUTH ABOUT DAN FROSCH:So-and-So told me such and such. “truth”?????In These Times is stooping toward tabloid journalism with this article.Is this an early,not funny at all April Fools joke?Like Ms. Testermans mother I too cried upon hearing the ALLEGATIONS ,but for a different reason than her.I cried because to slander someone who has been through hell and continues to be punished for a crime that even the people who put him away say they can’t proove he commited is cruel.Has anyone been charged with the murder of Joe Killsright Stuntz?Frosch should be ashamed of himself.So should the editors for allowing hearsay to be presented as truth.
Hey Harry, how many innocent women and children did Nixon kill in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos in the name of freedom and democracy. I think the scales of justice might be a tad lopsided here.
Notice also that I didn’t swear once.
Kyle, what does Nixon have to do with any of this?
But if you want to change the subject by accusing Nixon of killing Southeast Asians then don’t forget to do the same for John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
Dan,
keep up the good work. You can see how desperate some people are to believe the King has clothes on with this one. Some, even half-baked attorneys like Bachrach will do anything to get their name added to the story.
Ka-Mook Nicols was not a government paid informant. The $42,000 that was spent over four years that she was reimbursed for, included two security moves because the cronies of some of these so-called AIM leaders who hijacked the movement away from the people it belonged too, were, and are willing to committ murder. When you break those moves out of the money reimbursed to her, it leaves approximately $27,000 over four years for travel, lodging, phone, meals and other receipted expenses while she wore a wire to get some of these so-called warriors on the record admitting the involvement in Aquash
Hey Hard Harry, I was reading Daniel Elsberg’s book about the Pentagon Papers, and in my first post I was making a correlation between Nixon’s pardoning for his crimes and Peltier still being in jail. That’s how Nixon got thrown into this discussion. But your right Johnson and Kennedy did also kill many innocents in the name of Patriotism and ‘the Red Menace’. Now that the cold war is over we finally got our new enemy…..Terrorism. It’s a lot easier to label everyone who disagrees with you a terrorist or communist. Some people actually are terrorists out in the world. These people are beyond reason, and have lost their humanity, and must be stopped. However, some of the people in the world who disagree with the US foreign policy have real reasons for their anger, much like Native Americans involved with AIM. I think we have to understand the difference or our country is headed down the toilet. The World is a big place and not all of us speak American.
I believe deep in my soul that Leonard is innocent.
Thanks for the clarification, Kyle. I apologize for being so insensitive to Mr. Peltier’s anti-U.S. ideology. Now that I know that he and his followers had “real reasons for their anger” I agree with you that he shouldn’t be punished for killing two wounded FBI agents. Were the DC snipers equally justified in their attacks?
i have tracked this case now for 28+ years, and have noticed that the most comments and support, both - and +, have come from people who neither knew (know) peltier and are non-indian. i know alot of those aim assholes from back in the day as well as i know my own, peltier included. and i know alot of them couldn’t kill, even if their lives depended on it, peltier included. alot of them talked a good war, in reality, i doubt any would have killed to protect elders,women, children, as they claim they would have. peltier has been claiming innocence, HOWEVER, he also claims to know who popped those two feds. by not revealing their idenity, and being a “stand-up guy”, he deserves to be where he is at. only a jack-ass would do a life bit for someone elses deed.
don’t believe me?? check the stats. from the ridge. goons 60 vs aim 0
Leonard Peltier is innocent. I am an actor and a director and am therefore highly qualified to second the decisions of the trial judge and jury as well as the appellate judges who have consistently affirmed Peltier’s conviction. When are people going to quit believing in the courts and put their faith in uneducated celebrities with a cause?
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