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luminous beauty

    • 04 Nov 07
    • 10:43 pm

    "Up on Housing Project Hill, it's either fortune or fame. You can pick one or the other, though neither are to be what they claim, And if you're looking to get silly, you better go back to from where you came, 'Cause the cops don't need you, and man, they expect the same." ----B. Dylan Kuya, Anarchism will only come about if individuals band together in mutual aid societies, not un-like softball or bowling leagues, literary salons, running clubs, co-housing arrangements, worker owned cooperatives, intentional communities, democratic independent industrial and trade unions, FNB, etc., that provide fundamental physical needs for all …

    Posted to Feeding the Hungry is a Crime
    • 07 Sep 07
    • 9:33 am

    wolf, Which is it, aggressive energy policy, or let the market decide? You think we have an immigration problem now? Just wait. Not to mention millions of internal refugees. Yeah, the free market will make it all cosy and nice. You betcha!

    Posted to Climate Change Refugees
    • 10 Sep 07
    • 11:54 am

    wolf, I heartily congratulate you on endorsing solar power. But there are other technologies besides nuclear that are more promising and much more sustainable than nuclear. Uranium is a fairly rare and limited resource. France is already finding it difficult to find fuel for their reactors. I suggest you research geothermal, wind and tidal sources. For fun, you could look up ZPE. Energy substitution is just one leg of the solution. Conservation and sequestration are equally important. "Coal mine fires alone in China produce more CO2 emissions that all of the cars in the uS. . ." Are you kidding me! …

    Posted to Climate Change Refugees
    • 10 Sep 07
    • 12:24 pm

    Here's a little math problem for you, Wolfgang: Upper limit of estimates of amount of coal burning in Chinese mine fires: ~200M tonnes/yr. Amount of coal burned in US per year: ~1B tonnes/yr. Percent of US carbon emissions/yr. from burning coal: ~28 Percent of US carbon emissions/yr. from petroleum fuels: ~44 Percent of petroleum fuels consumed by cars and light trucks: ~67 What is the maximum likely ratio between Chinese coal fire emissions/US automobile emissions? (Hint: US cars and light trucks contribute ~15% of all global emissions of CO2 from fossil fuels and ~50% of global contributions from cars and light …

    Posted to Climate Change Refugees
    • 11 Sep 07
    • 11:02 pm

    Nat, For 2005: "Carbon dioxide emissions from the transportation sector, at 1,958.6 MMT, accounted for 33 percent of total U.S. energy-related carbon dioxide emissions in 2005. Almost all (98 percent) of transportation sector emissions result from the consumption of petroleum products: motor gasoline, at 60 percent of total transportation sector emissions; middle distillates (diesel fuel) at 22 percent; jet fuel at 12 percent of the total; and residual oil (i.e., heavy fuel oil, largely for maritime use) at 3.3 percent of the sector’s total emissions. Motor gasoline is used primarily in automobiles and light trucks, and middle distillates …

    Posted to Climate Change Refugees
    • 12 Jul 07
    • 12:53 pm

    WTH, Your entire POV is succinctly encapsulated in the words "I see little hope..." Why, then, do you even bother? Why don't you just roll up into a little ball and die? What do you think is accomplished by spreading your dour message of hopelessness? If we were all to take your inestimable advice and give up all hope of making the world just a little better place and submitting ourselves and our progeny to whatever awful fate lies in store, what satisfaction could you possibly derive? Or are you discretely advising violent revolution? That may yet happen, but historically only …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 14 Jul 07
    • 11:32 pm

    WTH, Sorry, I'm not feeling in much of a light-hearted mood over health care in this country. It isn't a 'fun' situation. I'll leave the satire to Michael Moore in this case. You want to be amused, see the movie. Until you do, keep your opinion to yourself. That's my advice.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 15 Jul 07
    • 9:13 am

    WTH, Free speech also includes the right to call you on your bullshit. Also to offer unsolicited free advice. You're free to take it or leave it. Still, I think it's a good idea to actually see a movie before presuming to characterize it.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 15 Jul 07
    • 12:08 pm

    WTH, "I really don't care." Another epitomization of your opinion. Exactly what I've been saying all along. What makes you believe I am stressed out by your bullshit? Is laughter your idea of stressing out? Why do you think calling you on your bullshit is '(over)reaction'? How many thousands of years of data on health care do you believe is necessary to make a decision? (We have 400,000+ years of reliable data on CO2 and global temperature. We also have direct empirical observation and multiple source corroboration of causal linkages, not just statistical correlations. Is that enough? If not, why? Please …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 16 Jul 07
    • 9:01 am

    WTH, "When I said I don’t care it was in reference to the two of us agreeing." Oh, really? Like my questioning of your comparison of weather and climate predictability was somehow an hysterical (over)reaction to your comment on Y2K? In this case, my (admitted) cherry-picking is intended to make a valid point. You obviously care only about muddying the waters, certainly not in engaging in reasonable and principled debate. Much less what we, as citizens living in a purported democracy, can do to improve our health care system. If one assumes, a priori, that nothing can be done, one ensures …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 18 Jul 07
    • 4:47 pm

    nazario, Spot on analysis of WTH and wolfgang. Wolfgang, your 'intellectual' prowess, being as mediocre as it is, does not inspire me with great confidence. I don't think the left is in much need of your help. The very fact that you make assertions (argumentum ad nauseum) without the slightest hint of a rational argument supported by any evidence whatsoever is quite substantial proof that you have all the scholarly skill of a lump of dogshit.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 19 Jul 07
    • 1:24 pm

    brian, You are so right. WTH and wolf are getting their critical input solely from the right-wing nit-pickers, with out even seeing the movie on which they are making judgment. WTH seems to think that his ad infinitum strawman and categorically false assertion about all politicians being always untrustworthy and totally out for themselves, and the rather trivial observation that mainstream corporate news outlets are somewhat less than objective nor comprehensively informative is unimpeachable evidence that we as thinking beings must be entirely incapable of discerning fact from propaganda. If I don't accept his poor reasoning as transcendent wisdom I am …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 20 Jul 07
    • 10:46 am

    WTH, Medicare is a good example of congressional action brought about by public pressure. Did you think it fell from the sky? I admit that I exaggerated your statement on congressmen by omitting your substanceless qualifier. What difference does it make? The conclusion you imply is that 'all is hopeless, why even try', no matter how one parses it. As to global warming, I appreciate that you admit there might be a problem. From the gist of your arguments I got the impression you were saying that there was no need to address the problem because there was substantial doubt that …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 20 Jul 07
    • 12:13 pm

    wolfie, It is interesting that you cite an anomalous anecdote about excessive wait times for specialized elective surgeries in Canadian hospitals from a right-wing source as support for your assertion that Moore gives a slanted and one-sided presentation of the facts in his movie. However, the truth is that Moore does address the problem of long wait times in developed nations with universal health care. To wit:

    SiCKO: Canadian "wait times" not nearly as long as some try to allege. * According to Statistics Canada, the official government statistical agency, "In 2005, the median waiting time was about 4 …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 20 Jul 07
    • 1:00 pm

    wolfie, Don't you think that if Mr. Loder was really interested in balance and objectivity he might have mentioned that Amnesty International cites Cuba 3190 times in its archives and the United States 7670 times?

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 20 Jul 07
    • 1:02 pm

    "Moores documentaries are as predictable as Bushs speeches dont need to watch and listen, I already know the lyrics." Ah, the superior wisdom of ignorance.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 21 Jul 07
    • 2:47 pm

    WTH, A false assumption. Though congress may have been responsible for the transgressions you impute in recent history, it does not follow that it always has or always will be the case. It seems you are falling into that error of inductive reasoning of which you erroneously and with profound ignorance of the scientific knowledge and methodology assign to climatologists. See the movie and maybe you will find that you are not so much in disagreement with Moore as you would like to believe. Or maybe not, but then at least your opinions will be based on evidence and not ignorance. …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 22 Jul 07
    • 9:28 am

    WTH, Faith vs. experience? Hardly. I'd put it more like principled reason in service of humanity and the greater world as opposed to personal and self-referent opinion. You don't think my experience hasn't brought my share of loss, disappointment, betrayal, frustration, the end of hopes and dreams, heartbreak and pain? You are an idiot for making that assumption. Why do you think spreading your antagonist opinion on a Progressive site gives you some right to have that opinion left uncontested? It is sad that your experience has led you to such a cynical pass. It is a shame that your experience …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 22 Jul 07
    • 9:44 am

    P.S. See the fucking movie. Until you do, your opinion of Moore's presentation being worthless is just ignorant opinion. Of less worth than a stinking pile of pigshit. I don't believe you even read this article, beyond scanning the headline.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 22 Jul 07
    • 7:10 pm

    WTH, What? I'm supposed to tolerate your sniveling bullshit? Please! If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Your concern over congress is a red herring. A dissembling distraction from the topic at hand. Be a nihilist if you wish, but don't expect to find adulation or respect. See the fucking movie. Coward!

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 23 Jul 07
    • 11:08 am

    Realism is seeking to identify and implement a practical solution to a real and pressing problem, no matter how intractable it may appear on it's face. Saying, a priori, it is useless to even contemplate solutions because the opposition is too powerful and Congress too corrupt is nihilism. I don't think the confusion is on my side. My 'vision' is seeking to making life in this country a little better by advocating single-payer universal health insurance. Your 'opinion' seems to be throwing poo at anyone who would dare make an effort. If you actually had a competing and divergent idea, I …

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 23 Jul 07
    • 11:17 am

    wolf, Say something meaningful and we'll see how it goes. Ad hominum seem about the limit of your capabilities. Have you seen the movie, yet? If you do, you may discover just how completely wrong your poorly informed characterizations of it are.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 23 Jul 07
    • 11:22 am

    WTH, Cut the smug self-congratulation and see the movie.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 23 Jul 07
    • 11:42 am

    WTH, wolf, The opening sentences of the article we are presumably discussing are: "The health care industry is having palpitations over Sicko. “I don’t think Michael Moore set out to make a balanced movie,” said Karen Ignagni, president of the trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans, regurgitating the industry’s key talking point. But truth is not always found in the balanced middle." Please tell me how either of you are not just regurgitating that same key talking point? What meaningful response have you made to the idea behind the high-lighted theme?

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 23 Jul 07
    • 12:05 pm

    WTH, You want to diverge from a discussion of Moore's movie and it's examination of other nations' universal health-care systems in comparison to the private insurance scam in this country and instead whine about how your Congressman is not responsive to your opinion, how I am disrespectful and insulting of your opinion, how incompetent Congress is; any non-sequitor distraction from the primary subject. That is what is meant by 'red-herring'.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 24 Jul 07
    • 9:47 am

    WTH, See the movie.

    Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
    • 03 Jul 07
    • 11:31 am

    WTH, " What do we not know? — We do not know if it is primarily due to human activity. — We do not know if this is a new phenomenon or a repeat of a log term cycle. — We do not know if there are other unknowns." We do know it is primarily due to human activity. We do know this is an anomalous phenomenon outside of natural variation. While there is much that is not completely understood, there are no significant unknown forces in the universe likely to overturn the laws of physics. Like scorpy, you find it …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 05 Jul 07
    • 4:01 pm

    OK, WTH, I'm not angry. I'm not sad. I'm not even disappointed. I've come to expect you to comment with your head firmly up your ass in the belief that gives you some advantageous insight. Eventually, it ceases to be amusing and becomes tiresome. One must sometimes speak bluntly, rather than sweeten one's words with false flattery, but, for your sake, I'll make an effort. You're a real good sport, old man. Maria, I sure do appreciate the tender and rational humanity that emanates from your posts. The fact we are so much in agreement doesn't hurt, tambien. I don't know …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 06 Jul 07
    • 12:57 pm

    wolfgang, Thank you for the kind words. We are all anonymous here. Pots and kettles, alike. Yes, I do know something about cosmic rays and their predicted and as yet unevidenced effect on cloud formation. I also know that whatever effect they may have is entirely swamped by the signal from anthropogenic causes. I've read Svensmark, et al. and Shaviv, Veizer and much of the literature surrounding the controversy, as well as a lot of less formal and less informed debate and hyperbole in the press and on blogs …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 06 Jul 07
    • 3:53 pm

    wolfie, I'm glad you are thinking about photo-voltaics. I may be working in that industry soon. If we cut emissions by 50% tomorrow, the damage done may not be catastrophic. We are only approaching the cusp of the 'point of no return', which would be that point at which natural feedbacks become inevitably strong enough to take over from the anthropogenic signal. The sequestration of CO2 is a technological possibility being pursued that can, indeed, reverse the trend and avoid the worst effects down the line. Al Gore and Richard Branson have offered a big PRIZE! You are …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 07 Jul 07
    • 10:47 am

    WTH, Let me explain with a simple analogy. Weather behaves very chaotically. It is of very limited predictability because of not only a limiting resolution in our ability to measure initial conditions, but because weather events are often characterized by a high degree of turbulence. Consider this to be like the flipping of a fair coin. One cannot reliably predict whether the coin will land either heads or tails. However, If one throws the coin many times, then one will find that the ratio of the total number of heads and tails will inevitably and predictably converge on the value of …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 08 Jul 07
    • 11:46 am

    WTH, Taleb's book is very interesting, but it does not really apply to climactic predictability. It is amusing that you offer a book about using statistical methods against one's intuitive perceptions, after I give an example of statistical method to counter your intuitive perception relating weather to climate. I hope the irony isn't lost on you. First off, climatologists, through debate and the peer review process, have been very careful to dot all their i's cross all their t's. They are not naive nor oblivious to statistical methods. Material science, unlike economics, is not a vagarious collection of fanciful abstract and …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 09 Jul 07
    • 10:51 am

    WTH, You are confusing the reality of scientific opinion by giving undue credence to anti-scientific projection of scientific opinion. It isn't a debate, it's a pathological denial of reality. The relative influence of whatever unknown black swans that may be out there are quantifiably constrained by the white swans that we do know exist. Just because there might be black swans does not falsify the existence of white swans. The fact that black swans are noticeably rare means that black swans have little measurable importance in the overall population of all swans. Get it? You fundamentally miscomprehend the meaning of scientific …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 09 Jul 07
    • 10:52 am

    A small suggestion. It may be the shady side of your family's 'black sheep' is an unconscious manifestation of the repressed and unexamined shady side of your family. The nature of human psychology is that it is never a 'one-sided phenomenon', but the inter-penetrating, inter-related and inter-active consequence of the conscious and unconscious thoughts, expressions and actions of all involved. Our psychological make-up is a swamp that only persevering compassionate feeling and self-critical rational examination can aid us to rise above. Externalizing blame, guilt and responsibility only embeds us deeper into the mire. This is as true of our relationship with …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 09 Jul 07
    • 2:03 pm

    "Think of the generations of scientific consensus which were later replaced by newer views based on additional evidence." Scientific paradigms are very rarely overturned by new evidence, but are characteristically refined and their descriptive and predictive resolution sharpened. A fair reading of the history of climate science would reveal that this process is exactly how we have gotten to the present consensus. I do not deny that scientists possess human frailties, but i do discount opinions that almost the entire population of climate scientists are engaged in some hoax or fraud. They are doing the best they can, with the information …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 09 Jul 07
    • 6:06 pm

    scorpy, Psychology is not psychiatry. No medical degree necessary. I am not prescribing drugs, just offering some friendly advice. You are sounding more and more like blondemike. You are confusing post-modern deconstructionism and post-post-modern integralism. The former of which you have the most insubstantial grasp and that only in the misguided, over-simplistic and exaggerated terms of it's least cogent detractors, and the latter not the whiff of a clue. You are wrong because you percieve the world through the immutable bias of your intransigent hatred, gross rationalization of greed and well-cultivated ignorance. It doesn't mean I am always right, but it …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 10 Jul 07
    • 9:06 am

    WTH, Did I say you are smug? Scorpy is an ignorant fool. Can you doubt it? As a matter of fact, I posted a reply to wolf that was about a scientist who is pushing his own agenda at the expense of good science with particulars. You make vague generalizations of thousands of unnamed and unknown scientists maybe hyping global warming without any specific reasons. You cite a writer and completely misappropriate what he says. You really think that is a sufficient reason for dismissing global warming? That is justified skepticism in WTHville? Or are you just fucking off? Maybe? Could …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 10 Jul 07
    • 10:47 am

    WTH, My 'reading/comprehension' [sic] is faulty? Ha! You're rich. If I am rambling, it is only because I am responding to your red herrings, demonstrating how, in themselves, they are examples of faulty reasoning. There is just no refuge for your dissembling, WTH. You lose an argument so you change the subject with vague hand-waving assertions. Vague assertions are your justification for your precious skepticism. You think your vagueness is probative of something? It is! On the subject of global warming, you are an ignorant old crank.

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 10 Jul 07
    • 11:09 am

    Perhaps with your superior comprehension skills you might consider this splendid example of climate denial/skeptic/doofus reasoning: The paleoclimatic record shows that in natural climate changes on the scale of glacial/interglacial change, CO2 follows initial temperature rise. In the historical record the opposite is occurring, temperature follows CO2. Therefore present warming must be natural and not anthropogenic. Can you find the flaw in this syllogism? C'mon! Let us see your superior comprehension skills.

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 11 Jul 07
    • 9:13 am

    scorp, You are irony deficient. Because Archie called Edith a dingbat doesn't mean that Archie himself was a dingbat. That is not the joke. The humor in 'All In The Family' was Lear's ability to hold up a mirror to existing social conflict in a way that deflated it's intractability in the mind of the audience, allowing us the freedom to laugh at our own foibles. The irony was that it didn't change anyone's beliefs, though for a while it did serve to soften the intractability that surrounds much of political debate. 'The Simpsons' serves much the same function today, though …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 11 Jul 07
    • 7:59 pm

    Victor Hanson, real scholar? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I know Dr. Hanson. He owns a grape ranch not too many miles south of here. He's a gentleman farmer who waxes eloquently about the rugged capabilities of those who live the life of the soil from his lectern at Fresno State. He's a real phony. I actually do work in the peaches, apricots, grapes, walnuts, pistachios, figs and almonds, and actually have all those working skills of which Hansom speaks so heroically. I actually work hand to hand and shoulder to shoulder with those very Mexican emigrants Hanson pretends to know so well. Watch the …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 12 Jul 07
    • 7:02 pm

    Global warming is a joke? This is a rational argument? You're lost, buddy. You have nothing but spew. No reason at all. An high opinion of yourself inversely proportional to your actual capabilities though.

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 14 Jul 07
    • 4:58 pm

    scorpy, CO2 was not 'massively reduced' during the depression. Fossil fuels continued to be burned at increasing levels, though the rate of increase was marginally slowed. This is reflected in the flattening of global temperatures from the late 40's to the mid 70's (response times are slowed by the action of the world's oceans as a heat sink). Besides, there are multiple factors at work in the climate. It is not a simple linear system, but a dance of interacting feedbacks. Your critique is without factual basis or logical correlation. You believe what you want to believe because it suits your …

    Posted to Two Degrees From Devastation
    • 05 Jun 07
    • 1:11 pm

    Economics, Is it the dismal science, or the happy religion? The classical notion that consumers are rational is somewhat belied by the rise of marketing and advertising strategies that appeal to the consumer's base unconscious desires. An infection of irrationality that spills over into the political sphere. The two are not dis-connected. The idea that rational realism means that mutual sympathy, much less altruism, can be entirely discounted in favor of self-interest has ineluctably undermined and de-valued the public commons and expansive connectivity between individuals beyond the concept of what, I, an individual, have to gain from a given relationship. Even …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 07 Jun 07
    • 10:06 am

    It is telling that scorpy uses the blog of a high school student to refute the SCIENCE of global warming. As for her well documented points: * We have millions of years of data on temperature and GG. The temperature of earth swings extensively over time. CO2 levels increase after temperature increases, as CO2 locked in the oceans and in the tundra are released by the warming climate, and not the other way around. This is true. However, what is also true is that the warming in the last century has followed, not preceded rise in CO2 levels. …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 07 Jun 07
    • 10:42 am

    scorpy, As usual, you mis-represent my views as thinking that people are fundamentally evil and that 19th century Marxist doctrine is the answer for it. They are not and it is not. The core of human consciousness is freely compassionate toward all living beings, since in reality, we are them. We are all connected by shared genetics, the shared physical environment and the shared development of consciousness. It is only the externalized armor of self-interested ego that makes us vulnerable to manipulation of our natural desires and leaves us convinced of the unameliorable nature of aggression, competition, conflict and violence in …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 08 Jun 07
    • 5:45 pm

    scorpy, Perhaps I would have been clearer had I said 'debased' or 'perverted' desires, instead. Somehow, I doubt it, as you have chosen again to misconstrue my meaning by completely ignoring the body of my argument, and instead pick at nits. Unbridalled capitalism is efficient at producing economic growth, but only for a small minority of petty bourgeois merchants, and of course, the ruling classes, who have never had to give up their mercantilist nor militarist and constabulary protections. The Laissez Faire doctines of the 19th century resulted, just as Marx predicted, in the oligarchic and monopsonist domination of the economy …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 08 Jun 07
    • 9:05 pm

    scorpy, Don't believe all the crap you read in right-wing periodicals. It was the socialist Rosa Luxembourg who scolded the Bolsheviks and warned that the 'dictatorship od the proletariat' would inevitably lead to totalitarianism. It was the anarcho-socialist Emma Goldman, deported from the US persuant to the Palmer Raids, who marched into Lenin's office with a letter from the ailing Petr Kropotkin, and denounced to his face the Kronstadt Massacre and accused him of betraying the revolution. It was the socialist George Orwell who wrote the book on the horrors of Soviet State control. A book pre-shadowed by the dissenter bolshevik …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 09 Jun 07
    • 10:25 am

    scorpy, And you're so cultured? Spare me. Where is your compassion for the hundreds of millions dead from capitalist aggression? Roosevelt was an opportunist politician. It was the organization of ordinary people that powered the Progressive Movement, as with all human progress. To paraphrase Lao Tzu, leaders are best when they follow the people. By the way, what I know about Peterloo, I got from reading John Keats and English History. If Marx ever mentioned the affair, I have no idea, but if you say so. The victims were levelers, free-thinkers and communitarians. Terms that socialists were known by before socialism …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 09 Jun 07
    • 11:06 am

    It's funny, scorpy, that Daniel Ortega is once again president of Nicaragua. In spite of US State Department threats of extortion toward the Nicaraguan people and all the USAID and NED distortion of the democratic process in the favor of pro-US oligarchs. It looks like he might even be growing a new set of cohones, now that MERCOSOR and ALBA are rising from the unlamented ashes of the World Bank and the IMF and the even less lamented still-birth of the FTAA. What a lack of gratitude! US policies have been so good for the people of Nicaragua. It's funny that …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 10 Jun 07
    • 4:17 pm

    scorpy, What mass murderers have I accepted? Quote me saying I love Pol Pot. Yes all those people I mention were or are socialists and anarchists. None of them were Pol Pot. If you have a well developed appreciation for them, then you have a well developed appreciation of socialists and anarchists. You are just too stubborn and ignorant to realize it. Deal. Cooperation is not collectivism. I do not espouse collectivism. What facts? That is nothing but your opinion. We all know that ain't worth crap. Nothing gets done in any society without cooperation. Slavery, war and oppression are artifacts …

    Posted to Who's Afraid of Democracy?
    • 15 May 07
    • 9:43 am

    Studs, Dear friend, we're really gonna miss ya. But not to worry. Ya done good. Like Molly and Kurt and so many, some well known and others mostly anonymous, you've carved out a niche in our hearts and minds that will survive as long as there are people standing up for the underdog, seeking justice and liberty for all, speaking truth to power. May we never forget the gifts you've given us, and be forever grateful.

    Posted to Curiosity and a Cat Named Studs
    • 13 May 07
    • 12:35 pm

    Yes, Natty, Some blame does accrue on the Mexican political leadership. However, since Roosevelt's Good Neighbor policy dating from WWII, Mexico's government has been mostly subordinate to and corrupted by Uncle Sam and his corporate interests, gradually eroding the gains of the Mexican people from the 1917 revolution, the lions share of responsibility does come back to the good ol' Yewesovay. The election fraud, mostly dismissed by the powers that be, in the recent Mexican elections are traceable to manipulations by some of the same the same US companies and institutions responsible for fraudulent elections in Florida, Ohio, et al. …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 15 May 07
    • 10:13 am

    Kuya, Ms. Huerta is a lifelong activist of the United Farm Workers Union. The union position is that guest worker programs are a union busting tactic that favors the growers. Import cheap labor and you don't have to pay a living wage to domestic workers. Nonetheless, I know she is keenly sensitive to the problems faced by undocumented and illegal emigrants, the plight of sweat shop workers and those abused by unethical labor contractors. It is a given that the powers that be are going to try and divide and conquer any and all opposition by putting them between a rock …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 15 May 07
    • 11:44 am

    Natalie, Read the freaking article, why don't you? The reason 2 million Mexican corn growers have come to the US seeking work is not because they are attracted by the wonders of the 'American Dream', but are driven by stark economic necessity. NAFTA has allowed giant corporations, which you thoughtlessly believe are so benign and wonderful, to flood the Mexican markets with cheap government subsidized ag products. Simultaneously, corrupted by the political largesse of those corporations and the US government, the Mexican government, under the leadership of Salinas, Fox and, now, the fraudulently elected Calderon, have practically eliminated …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 15 May 07
    • 2:39 pm

    TI, Your argument is predicated upon the belief that socialists are just too stupid and ignorant to learn from their mistakes. In the case of Venezuela that is demonstrably false, as you may surmize if you make the effort to read and understand with comprehension the following article and its several linked references: The deepening of Venezuela’s Bolivarian revolution: why most people don’t get it ---Julia Buxton in openDemocracy.net "21st-century socialism is seen as distinct from the "failed" Marxist experiments of the 20th century..." Also, you are sadly mistaken in believing a gaggle of wealthy oligarchs have any …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 15 May 07
    • 4:23 pm

    Read the article, TI. I'd like to know where you get your information about droves of doctors and engineers leaving Venezuela and what crippling effect it is having upon their economy. When the managers and corrupt union leaders of PDVSA fomented their work stoppage in '02 it was predicted that production would be crippled nigh on to forever if Chavez didn't submit to their anti-democratic demands, yet within two years oil production had returned to normal levels without their help and in spite of widespread sabotage. There has been a ton of infrastructural development since; highways, hospitals, housing, …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 15 May 07
    • 4:50 pm

    Natalie, Did you even read the WashPost article I linked to? Why don't you apply for a visa to Cuba? Since we're so free to travel, I'm sure the State Department should be more than willing to allow US citizens to visit just to see how awful conditions there really are. Oh, that's right. It's forbidden. Maybe you could take a nice vacation in Oaxaca.

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 15 May 07
    • 11:14 pm

    Surprizing as it might seem, Natty, I love my country and wish to see it better than it is. I don't despise capitalism. I'd like to see genuine capitalism constrained by just regulation instead of the rampant oligopolistic corporate mercantilism and aggressive militarism that currently controls practically all aspects of life in the US and throughout its hegemonic reach. Why do you think you can tell Mexico, or any other sovereign nation for that matter, what they should do? It seems to me it is precisely this kind of American arrogance and exceptionalism that lies at the root of most of …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 16 May 07
    • 8:38 am

    Kuya, Yes, it is complicated, isn't it? Whatever Congress does directly about immigration/emmigration is just a band-aid, at best. I'm of the opinion that if NAFTA was renegotiated with strong wage/labor and environmental protection provisions, like progressives insisted on in the first place, if the World Bank, the IMF, USAID, the NED were to focus on endogenous development in client nations and drop the neo-liberal non-sense, it would go a long way toward taking the pressure off. I actually agree with Natalie in this sense; these nations need to grow spines and stand up to the elephant in the parlor. Cuba …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 16 May 07
    • 12:15 pm

    TI, There is a well known mathematical theory that there are three kinds of people, those who can count and those who can't. That is only one figure. And as far as I can tell, you just pulled it out of your ass. According to the 2006 CIA World Factbook, net emigration for Venezuela is neutral. Venezuela isn't a socialist paradise. It is a mixed economy. Private sector economic growth continues at about 9% of GDP. Why are so many esqualidos flocking to Miami? I've already answered that. FUD works. You are living proof of …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 16 May 07
    • 12:32 pm

    TI, I haven't thanked you for turning me on to the term 'puñetero'. It seems in the current context it may well be construed as applying to yourself. Please don't be dismayed. I suspect you might agree with Marx on this one point, "Philosophy is to reality as masturbation is to sex." On the other hand, consider the words of George Carlin, "Masturbation is safe sex with someone you love."

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 16 May 07
    • 3:51 pm

    TI, What personal attacks? You make such unwarranted assumptions. My college education was in both fine arts and engineering and it was first rate (UC system, even if I wasn't that great of a student). My real education is mostly autodidactic, on-the-job and broadly eclectic. I've never been spoon-fed anything in my life. I've been on my own since I was 18. I've lived the conventional suburban life, in intentional communities and on the street. In the heart of busy cities and surrounded by solitary wilderness. From California to New England. From Arizona to Idaho. With brief excursions into Canada and …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 16 May 07
    • 4:41 pm

    TI, Name me one political party that has been outlawed in Venezuela. What private property has been 'seized'? Fallow lands falsely claimed as latifundio property without legal title have been opened to resettlement, while thousands of titles have been given to individual families living on public land. Nothing has been nationalized that wasn't nationalized previous to the failed neo-liberal policies that made a basket case of Venezuela before Chavez. Fair compensation has been made in every case. Richard Nixon imposed price controls. Was he a failed Marxist? What currency manipulation? No religious organizations have been attacked. Individual clergy have been criticized …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 17 May 07
    • 4:32 pm

    TI, Are you claiming the CIA World Factbook is stuff just pulled out of the air? What references do you have that gross Venezuelan emigration has increased by 5000% in the last decade and a half. I could find nothing on the website you cited to that effect. Just a sales pitch. We know how factual those are, don't we? "We Want to Leave" and a claim of a million hits a month. What kinds of facts are those? Really? What political parties have been outlawed? What factual evidence do you have that legally owned private has been seized without fair …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 17 May 07
    • 6:30 pm

    Natalie, Every source that agrees with you is true and every source that disagrees with you is false? Your argumentum ad verecundiam style is getting to be beyond tedious. The notion that the CIA is working hand in glove with the Chavez administration is amusing though. The reason so many Venezuelans are up in arms about RCTV losing its broadcast license has little to do with freedom of expression. They are afraid of missing their favorite novelas. Not to worry though. The government has recently published its plans for revamping Channel 2's format and they will be transmitted …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 17 May 07
    • 6:46 pm

    My apologies, I finally found that AI communique. In Spanish. Still, RCTV will be allowed to broadcast on cable and satellite

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 18 May 07
    • 11:14 am

    Natty, Thanks for the pastiche of opinion. You are as predictable as the sun going down. You are just touching the tip of the iceberg. I can find hundreds of hyperbolic phony news articles full of ranting, hair pulling, hand-wringing polemic about what an evil, brutal dictator that Chavez guy is. He is the demon d'jour in the US press after Ahmadinejad and everybody's favorite fall guy ol' Fidel hisself. What bunk! Here are some facts: "RCTV... played a leading role... in instigating and supporting the 2002 aborted two-day coup against President Chavez. "In the days leading up to April 11, …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 18 May 07
    • 11:39 am

    Now, I already know what you're going to say, Natty. That the reporting by VenezuelaAnalysis is without credibility because they are pro-Chavez. You've already said it, but redundancy is one of your endearingly cute little character traits. Well, I say that anti-Chavez sources are without credibility because they rely on fear-mongering in the absence of any factual reality. The simple truth is, the facts are on Chavez' side. No amount of ideological FUD can change the fact that Chavez has kept his political promises to an extent far beyond any other democratically elected leader in recent history and they are working …

    Posted to Rebelde for the Cause
    • 13 May 07
    • 11:50 am

    "Trust but verify?" St. Ronnie lives! I don't think the relationship between two super powers facing each other in the grip of mutually assured destruction is quite comparable with the individual citizen and the overwhelming power of the state, but whatever. Give me the necessary transparency, openness and freedom from secrecy to actually verify and a certain willingness to acknowledge, apologize for and ameliorate past wrongs and I may be willing to extend a modicum of trust. Otherwise, nice of you to admit our imperialist, mercantilist corporate system is squandering the resources of the planet at the expense of our progeny, …

    Posted to Kurt Vonnegut's Last Interview
    • 27 Apr 07
    • 9:07 am

    As long as the money that feeds the democratic process comes from corporate underwriters, all presidential candidates who rise to prominence will be those with a willingness to kiss corporate ass. As long as the political process is dominated by corporate media and the affective advertising and marketing strategies they employ, elections will be nothing more than beauty pageant/horse race public spectacles where actual policy considerations are drowned in the noise. As long as the general public is distracted by the glamourous illusions of conspicuous consumption and mindless entertainment that fails to challenge their minds and conscience, and as their time …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 03 May 07
    • 5:35 pm

    Wolfgang, When men start becoming pregnant, then they will have an equal stake in reproductive rights. Until then, I don't think so. That blacks vote in preponderant numbers for Democrats may be due to blacks knowing from personal experience that racial discrimination and long standing social inequities, in spite of limited legal and institutional protections, still present a strong cultural bias against their 'enlightened self-interests'. A reality that Republican politicians seem reluctant to consider.

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 06 May 07
    • 8:26 am

    miat, There is a difference between those who have doubts about Hillary's commitment to progressive humanistic ideals because of her willingness to 'triangulate' a 'third way' through the political dichotomization that plagues the current generation, and those who, such as yourself, have consumed and proceed to (vomituously) dispense the Mellon-Scaife kool-aid of 100% pure fact-free ideological hatred with scurrilously false accusations and cheap innuendo. Compared to the evil mountain of lies, corruption and incompetence built on the bodies of hundreds of thousands of dead that has characterized the Bush Administration and the late unlamented Republican control of Congress, Hill and Bill …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 06 May 07
    • 10:37 pm

    I repeat, Shauer was not in the White House. He has no direct knowledge of what happened there. It is interesting his unit called itself the 'Manson Family'. Regardless, just because the White House didn't explicitly authorize assassination, Shauers group was under orders to make every possible effort to capture him and kill him if that wasn't possible. I really mean it. It is not an attack on your person. You need psychiatric attention.

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 06 May 07
    • 3:07 pm

    miat, Sources? Sounds like second-hand scuttlebutt and unsupported assertion to me. Believing bullshit does not make it smell like roses, dear.

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 06 May 07
    • 9:25 pm

    Scheuer is a loud-mouth who can't back up his words. He wasn't in the White House so he cannot be considered a primary source as to what went on there and what he surmises is nothing but second-hand scuttlebutt. Regardless of what truth there might be in his assertions about chances to get Osama, they are controversial and unsubstantiated. What can be said is that your assertion that Clinton 'refused to confront terrorism' is patently FALSE. What can also be said with absolute certainty is that you are filled with a visceral, irrational and obsessive hatred for the …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 07 May 07
    • 10:42 am

    Wolfie baby, Please don't think I believe men have zero stake in a woman's pregnancy. A woman has an existential stake in her own body. For a man it is contingent. A man has to earn his stake. Now, the law or society may consign that responsibility upon him, but it is really up to him to step up to the plate. P.S. The day when women no longer require a man's contribution may be coming sooner than you think.

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 19 May 07
    • 12:27 pm

    aikanae, Good find. But don't imagine it will have any effect on the likes of miat. Such true believers and fanatics have abandoned the principles of critical reasoning and empirical evidence in favor of clinging to and spreading irrational fear and hatred with the sole intent of preserving their megalomanic sense of superiority. One bit of supreme irony I picked up from that well done documentary was how Robert Bork could, with such apparent rationality, project the sociopathic nature of the neo-con movement on Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton who, in spite of his Democratic Party affiliation, did more to enact the …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 19 May 07
    • 8:50 pm

    miat, The Washington Times editorial page is your idea of left-wing? The BBC is hardly an objective source? You are freeping batshit insane. Do you even realize you are writing in the comment section of an article in a leftist publication that is critical of Hillary Clinton? Speaking of shrinking leadership, at 5'4" Dennis Kusinich is heads above any candidate in the Democratic field, and towers like a giant over the ten Republican midgets running. FYI, Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-cons applied through his college friend Carl Schmitt, who went on to become Hitler's Chief Justice, for a position …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 20 May 07
    • 12:04 am

    miat, Zell Miller is an avowed liberal and a registered Democrat. He's a fruitcake. Nothing ad hominem about it. Just a rational observation. As is the case with your sweet demented self. If you can't connect the dots from Hitler to Schmitt to Strauss to the neo-cons to the Worst President Ever, you must have an IQ even lower than mud. But I will admit that equating Bush to Hitler is unfair to Hitler. You know there are broadcasting laws in Britain against mispresentation of views and facts. Quite strong libel laws to boot. The BBC is reputed to be as …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 21 May 07
    • 10:19 am

    miat, You're analytical skills are revealed in your posts as entirely argumentum ad hominenem and vericundium. It is all what he or she said about him or her without reference or grounding in substantiated facts of the matter. As evidenced by: 1.) What you infer from ignorance about what is missing from the Barret report. 2.) Your reliance on specious, partisan and second hand speculation about the so-called Gorelick Wall that is simply de-bunked by a thorough reading of the memo itself in its historical context. (Some facts I would submit are; that memo was designed to give John …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 21 May 07
    • 1:49 pm

    miat, "It is unclear whether you are simply clueless, a run-of-the-mill rabid anti-Semite, a clinton operative trying to bait me, or all of the above, but I’ll play along for awhile." None of the above. Unsupported assumptions and demonstrably false ad hominem assertions on your part. As is jumping to the conclusion that the handle 'luminous beauty' is intended as an eponymous descriptor. It is much more along the lines of a mnemonic device to remind myself not to get caught up in the flaming rhetoric and trollish zealotry of propagandistic demogogues like yourself. It is not easy. I am only, …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 21 May 07
    • 2:48 pm

    Concerning argumentum ad vericundium, citing the opinion of someone that agrees with your opinion is an abuse. Correct citation of authority means refering to authoritative sources. For example: These are authoritative sources, Gorelick memo M.J. White memo Editorial opinions that purport to interpret the significance of these sources are not. If you carefully read the sources you will discover the arguments for the various opinions that infer some sinister meaning just aren't there. In fact they represent an evolving strategy to make it easier for FBI and DoJ offices to coordinate with foriegn intelligence offices. …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 21 May 07
    • 5:21 pm

    "Re your name: I expected that comeback. But your name isn’t posted with a clarifier attached; your intentions are irrelevant. Perception is reality. But you already know that, don’t you?" Are you serious? "As a mathematician, I don’t require the likes of you to lecture me on the finer points of logic and argumentation. Someone has to. I suggest a professional psychologist. Its an area of expertise often shunned by those who go into mathematics because it doesn't provide clear precise solutions. Much like political theory is avoided by ideological zealots." "Ad hominem: Whether the descriptor is accurate or not is …

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 23 May 07
    • 8:56 am

    miat, I must express my gratitude to you for leading me to this VIDEO of Elizabeth Kucinich. What a marvelous, beautiful, intelligent woman, radiating with spiritual strength. Can anyone doubt what an extraordinary First Lady she would make?

    Posted to Why Women Hate Hillary
    • 16 Apr 07
    • 9:38 am

    WTH, Yes, your cynicism is sure. So utter and complete. So absolute and un-nuanced. In other words, it is the very recipe for the paralysis and inaction of which you despair. Ironic, isn't it?

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 16 Apr 07
    • 2:53 pm

    WTH, You no doubt have heard before the truism that politics is the art of the possible. If you hold to some idealistic expectation of inerrant perfection from representational democracy, you are clinging to a vain belief and exposing yourself as an abject fool. Doesn't Mikey's endorsement fill your belly with a nice warm and fuzzy feeling? That alone, methinks, would be substantial cause for re-thinking your position. In the interest of remaining on topic, I will address only the issue of the environment among the grab-bag of subjects you offer. Sitting on your fat cynical ass is the most effective …

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 16 Apr 07
    • 6:21 pm

    WTH, Looniness? Nasty? Pompous? Simplistic? My, my! If the above ad hominems and sloppy grammar are any indication, my graciously qualified and conditional statements must have hit a raw nerve. Well, if the shoe fits... The 'one billion person polluter', as you put it, has indeed jumped on the green bandwagon. They are signatories to Kyoto and their responsibilities will increase as does their economic position. They are well on their way to cornering the world PV market. I myself own some SunSolar modules I bought at half the price of comparable US products. Please, also, …

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 16 Apr 07
    • 7:08 pm

    I be nice, Mikey. Much more than you deserve. The fact that objective/libertarian sites are boring and don't allow comments ought to tell you something. What was I saying elsewhere about the unexamined life? I do appreciate (sometimes) the liveliness that you bring to these discussions. It is just too bad you cannot appreciate my appreciation.

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 17 Apr 07
    • 9:24 am

    WTH, The Chinese had 'free enterprise' when we European types were living in dirt floor mud and wattle huts. Chinese carbon emissions are not at least half of anywhere else. Africa has much lower per capita numbers. Chinese carbon emissions are actually going down, which is the critical measure, is it not? Our's, and our's is by far the largest of any geo-physical region, are continuing to rise. The first flame in DC was the last election. The RNC has been going "Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!" ever since. Did you miss the slapdown by Barbara Boxer of

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 7:25 am

    WTH, I just realized something. You're a lot like Twain and Vonnegut. Except missing the wise and funny parts. Have you ever heard of Sturgeon's Law? 90% of everything is bullshit! You've taken it so much to heart, you've completely lost sight of the 10% that is rare and beautiful. Such a pity. Here is a present, from me to you: What Is Man? Let me know if you can penetrate to the sweet sugar center of this little bitter-coated pill, old man.

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 8:37 am

    At least you benefited from hearing their remarks, I trust?

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 8:43 am

    You're beautiful, WTH.

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 8:51 am

    Even a dim bulb is brilliant against a black background. "You see, you're just like me. I hope you're satisfied" ---Bob Dylan

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 7:35 pm

    Mikey thinks everything beyond his severely limited comprehension is bullshit. Surprize, surprize.

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 19 Apr 07
    • 7:50 pm

    It seems you're the only one here having such comprehension problems, Mikey. What does that tell you?

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 23 Apr 07
    • 2:39 pm

    Thank you for your concern Auntie F. It is ridiculous, ain't it? Cheers!

    Posted to Global Warming: Dim Bulbs, Bright Lights
    • 09 Apr 07
    • 1:08 pm

    The basic science behind anthropogenic global warming is no more complicated than the fact that throwing an extra blanket on the bed will keep one warmer. The compexities arise in understanding the dynamics of climactic variability. Without a proper scientific education, it is easy to be influenced by denialists pointing at uncertainties in these complex factors into believing the underlying facts are in question. The fact is that the earth is warming and increasing CO2 concentrations are the largest causal factor for that warming. The scientific consensus depends on a fair analysis of the data and not on …

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 09 Apr 07
    • 1:26 pm

    TI, Your science is so absurd as to be undecipherable. Apples, oranges and bananas. Where are you getting your information? Qualitative chem cannot be used for determining the IR absorption of CO2. It isn't any part of the curriculum. It is a subject of physics. \ You betray your ignorance.

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 09 Apr 07
    • 2:29 pm

    Science is no more immune from politics than any other field... I agree in that the scientific consensus is being challenged by those with a political agenda to preserve the status quo. This results in a confusion over what is fact. AGW is a fact.

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 09 Apr 07
    • 4:50 pm

    Vermonter, Thanks for the links. Apparently, the 'absorption extinction' BS comes from a paper by Dr. Heinz Hug, a signatory of the Leipzig Declaration, that cherrypicks a single absorption line of IR by CO2 and extrapolates it beyond reason to arrive at the conclusion he makes. This paper, as far as I can tell, is only published on the denialist site of John Daly. It obviously cannot pass the peer review process. WTH, Have you actually seen "An Inconvenient Truth"? It contains a lot of science. It is a popularization of the science. Almost all the criticisms are false and/or exaggerations, …

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 10 Apr 07
    • 5:04 pm

    Yes, I think he is talking about instanteous band absorption of IR in an experimental setting. I.e., that in a column of CO2 gas, ~100% of the IR, presumably at some average ground heat, that can be absorbed (absorbed to extinction) by CO2 is absorbed within 10 m in a single moment of measurement. What happens in the natural environment that makes this less than meaningful is that IR is re-emitted and re-absorbed over time in all directions, so that by iteration the amount of IR absorbed increases and spreads through the troposphere. Also, the fact that CO2 molecules are relatively …

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 11 Apr 07
    • 11:41 am

    Mikey, Check out the Tesla . It's kind of pricey at 92 grand, but it's made right across the bay.

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 13 Apr 07
    • 12:09 pm

    evtim, Here in Central California, where we have mostly orthogonal streets, a few years ago I was living about 9 mi [15k] from the plant where I work. Every day a co-worker would pass me on my bicycle driving into town. He was amazed that I still beat him to the plant gate every day, since I didn't have to wait in lines of backed up traffic at stoplights or look for parking and then walk all the way through the parking lot to the gate. Sprawl and congestion are approaching catastrophic levels here in the land where the private auto …

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 19 Apr 07
    • 7:06 pm

    The Canadians are already producing >1Mbbl/day from oil sands. The Orinoco basin ~.5M. There isn't so much sand to separate out in the Venezuela deposits, they're mostly tar, and it's easier to process given the tropical heat. In the US there are some moderately sized sand and tar deposits in Utah and the Los Angeles Basin. The really huge deposits in Colorado are locked up in shale, which I understand require more energy to crush the rock than can be extracted. Not that petroleum execs and economists haven't proposed working around that by pulverizing the rock using underground nukes. A pretty …

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 24 Apr 07
    • 6:36 pm

    I've been remiss in thanking Mikey for reminding me to listen to Michio Kaku on KPFA. Thanks, Mikey.

    About Dr. Kaku Dr. Michio Kaku is an internationally recognized authority in theoretical physics and also the environment. He holds the Henry Semat Professorship in Theoretical Physics at the City College and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. His goal is to help complete Einstein's dream of a "theory of everything," a single equation, perhaps no more than one inch long, which will unify all the fundamental forces in the universe. He has lectured around the …

    Posted to Resisting the War on Science
    • 31 Mar 07
    • 9:53 am

    "I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, Alive like you or me. 'But Joe', I said, 'you're ten years dead'. 'I never died', said he. 'I never died', said he."

    Posted to The Lessons of Sacco and Vanzetti
    • 31 Mar 07
    • 1:52 pm

    WTH, Your take on N. Illinois school system is interesting if monopolar. I have some dim recollection of something like 90% of all school funding in Greater Chicago going to administration rather than the classroom. Do you think this might be a factor more robust than court ordered bussing? Here in California, the decline of our school systems can be directly linked to Prop. 13, which froze property taxes on which school funding is based. Also, a string of Republican governors, beginning with Ronald Raygun, responding to conservative calls for a return to 3R's education effectively stripping schools of progressive educational …

    Posted to Democracy Haters
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 12:46 pm

    Cabbie, If Mikey has resentment for those with greater cognitive ability he must resent rocks as well as Jews.

    Posted to The Lessons of Sacco and Vanzetti
    • 04 May 07
    • 1:03 pm

    Rabbit, my dear old friend, So glad you are back. You've been missed. Isn't Batty Nattie a peach? So far up that river in Egypt and still paddling furiously. Such persistence would be admirable if it wasn't so profoundly misplaced.

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 3:10 pm

    Nat, Your unbending loyalty to the failed ideology of American Exceptionism would be an endearing quality if the City on a Hill you have embraced in your fantasy world wasn't built on quite so much blood and deception. Watching the slow motion collapse of the long-standing imperialist house of cards that the Bush Administration has finally pushed beyond its absurdist limits would be awe inspiring if not for the fact that it is coming crashing down on our collective heads. Do not believe that your loyalty will bring you immunity from the sorrows ahead. You are no more nor less an …

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 5:06 pm

    Gee, EB, I was willing to give Nat the benefit of the doubt that her question was rhetorical in a kind of reverse ironic twist (ha ha), but since you pressed the matter, I would like to ask her this serious question: Natty love, Could you please make clear how questioning conventional wisdom is to be construed as being in denial?

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 5:21 pm

    Eric, I think you left a hanging tag. This thread seems to be stuck in italics.

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 5:25 pm

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 5:58 pm

    I tried that with the /i. It didn't work.

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 6:06 pm

    With the /u, too. Does this do anything?

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 6:19 pm

    strike /strike. please, be nice now. Disenvowelment would look good. Or in keeping with the ebonics theme, translate them with gizoogle.

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 04 May 07
    • 6:28 pm

    You know, two can play at this game. Or maybe not. Dang! Mebbe it's only the original post that reads the error.

    Posted to Why Does CNN Suck?
    • 31 Mar 07
    • 11:38 am

    Cabdriver, Some of us have realized that Mikey is an unconscious master of sublime irony. Therefore you should consider his every statement as meaning exactly the opposite of that which, on the surface, it implies. I dunno, repressed and unresolved sexual identity issues, maybe? His psychotic fugues and schizoid rants are stunning in their scatological cohesiveness, no? Psychobabble of the first order. Were I a licensed psychiatrist, I'd prescribe 50mg Mydixadril administered nightly. Mikey might not realize any benefit, but I'm sure his wife would appreciate it. Assuming, that is, she enjoys anal intercourse and rapine role-playing scenarios.

    Posted to Bisexual Healing
    • 31 Mar 07
    • 5:23 pm

    Mikey, You may well mean what you say, but what you say does not necessarily mean what you think it means. It's an ironic fact not accessible to solipsistic narcissists. I knew refering to Prop. 13 would get your self-interested panties in a bunch. It is part of the reason I brought it up. Capice?

    Posted to Bisexual Healing
    • 31 Mar 07
    • 9:53 pm

    WickyWoo, This seems to be BM's home on the net. Scorp is amusing, too. In a socialism is what I say it is and you socialists don't have any say in the matter. I'm afraid I may have been responsible for leading him to that Hayek quote. It's from his Nobel Prize address, titled "Why I'm Not a Conservative." Let me just say, I believe Hayek was a brilliant man who was wrong about almost everything he believed, except maybe his critique of Conservatism. Trollishness is endemic, I fear. You seem like a fairly reasonable Bright, but you have disappointed me …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 01 Apr 07
    • 9:53 am

    WickyWoo, I once asked a Native American shaman why he believed God demanded blood sacrifice. He answered by asking me if I had ever worked on my own car. Nothing is as simple as it appears on the surface. You were cherry-picking and quoting out of context a particular passage. Exactly what you were accusing the religious of doing. Where is your intellectual honesty? Can you see it? Is it 'real'? Is it bigger than a breadbox?

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 01 Apr 07
    • 2:03 pm

    WickyWoo, You mistake my intention. While your interpretation and cherry-picked examples of superstitious elements in the OT are not entirely without merit, you do so at the expense of other examples that apprehend sublime wisdom and understanding. You are separating the wheat from the chaff and taking the chaff. You are being even more literalist in your interpretation than even the most regressive Calvinist Fundamentalist. It would appear you have no understanding of metaphor and symbolic representation. You cite an example of Jesus speaking, where it appears he is defending all the absurdities in Leviticus. However, in Matthew he says: 37Jesus …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 01 Apr 07
    • 3:23 pm

    Mikey, I suppose ranting about the Holocaust is on topic? Good luck in the real world.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 02 Apr 07
    • 9:40 am

    WickyWoo, The word JEWISH is YOUR interpolation, your interpretation. The NT is not Jewish scripture. It is not what most Christians believe. It is only what you believe they should believe according to your interpretation. This is solipsism. You are again being intellectually dishonest and torturing reason to boot. Thrice have ye denied thine error. Time for the rooster to crow, eh? If one looks at the OT as an historical document of a single ethnic tradition in comparison with those of other historical traditions one can begin to map the story of humankind's gradual ethical development and evolution. Even the …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 02 Apr 07
    • 12:50 pm

    WickyWoo, Again, it is YOUR intellectual honesty and not that of religious folk with which I am concerned. We can discuss that when you have corrected the small errors in your argument which I have pointed out. Until then, your credibility is questionable. Any anthropologist who has as non-objective and simple-minded a view of religion as you is a failure in his profession.

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    • 02 Apr 07
    • 12:56 pm

    P.S. The OT is an historical document because it dates from approx 3000 years in the past, not because it is necessarily accurate. Analysis of such documents requires some depth of comparative understanding, which you obviously lack.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 02 Apr 07
    • 2:38 pm

    WickyWoo, The errors you have made, which I have been so patient and generous in pointing out, are particular and specific and not a general refutation of your presentation. Nonetheless, it is pointless to engage you on the matter unless you can demonstrate the intellectual honesty to recognise them. I have read Harris and Dawkins. They lack any professional expertise in anthropology or comparative religion and their popular works can mostly be dismissed as political screed rather than actual scientific analysis. Something that is true for the Gospels rather than as being theological expositions as well. You might study the works …

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    • 02 Apr 07
    • 4:08 pm

    WickyWoo, You are the one who is ducking arguments that you are taking quotes out of context. Unless you honestly engage your critics substantively on such initial points, it is meaningless to address those you raise subsequentially. It is a matter of intellectual honesty. To recap, Jesus never made the explicit statement that all the contingent rules of Leviticus should be considered to have the legal force of the Commandments. That is your incorrectly infered interpretation and perhaps that of Calvin. In fact, he made implicit arguments against the Pharisees, who did hold such beliefs, that they were not. That is …

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    • 02 Apr 07
    • 5:08 pm

    "Neither of you would be missed by the larger world." Mikey, True perhaps, but on the other hand, your absence from this site and the larger world would be cause for celebration. P.S. You are as clueless as WickyWoo as to what I am 'defending'. It's called intellectual honesty. A term as alien to you as collegiality.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 12:20 pm

    WickyWoo, I concede that much of what you say is factually correct. (not the attribution of the spread of Christianity outside the Jewish community to Constantine, though.) From a reductionist and a-metaphorical POV, anyhow. Much is also subjective interpretation. However, it is only a superficial understanding that only exacerbates and does not solve nor point to a solution of the underlying problem. D.T. Suzuki once said something like this about Christianity: "God against Man, Man against God, God against Nature, Nature against God, Man against Nature, Nature against Man... funny religion!" It is true that Christians have (often, not always) fought …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 1:00 pm

    Not believing in God is a religious belief. It does not require a systemic philosophy to back it up. But atheists do apply systemic philosophy to substantiate their belief, anyway, don't they? Even if they don't all agree. Traditional religionists don't all agree, either, do they? Pascal's Wager? I don't think so. Not a good sign of your analytic capabilities. All positive attributions of God are metaphorical and mythopoetic guides for personalizing religious faith among God believers. (re-read this sentence three times for comprehension) All positive attributions of God are metaphorical and mythopoetic guides for personalizing religious faith among God believers. …

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    • 03 Apr 07
    • 1:03 pm

    "God is an excuse not to think." So, what is your excuse?

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    • 03 Apr 07
    • 1:30 pm

    You cannot scientifically prove a negative, you are correct This is not what I said. It is only scientifically possible to falsify (prove negative) a specific characteristic of an hypothesis through experimental observation and measurement and mathematical analysis. If it is not falsified, it is not proven true, nor, if falsified, is the general hypothesis necessarily falsified, only that specific characteristic of the general hypothesis being tested. The general hypothesis may possibly be altered to take account of the falsification. It is by building on repeated testing of an hypothesis and its robust resistance to falsification, that a hypothesis rises to …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 1:55 pm

    Yeah, definition 6. Live with it. "You keep trying to inject rationality into a system designed for unquestioning obedience lest one face eternal punishment. Not what I am trying to do at all. I am reasoning about why people cling to belief, I am neither embracing nor denying it. Just saying they're nuts is not helpful. Can you show every religious person is demonstrably insane? It is an opinion based on opinion and scientifically irrational in itself. You have perfected The Theory of Everything? You know the Absolute Truth? You can express it in finite terms? Spare me. You are projecting …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 2:05 pm

    By positive attribution, I mean God is x, as opposed to a negative attribution, God is not x. Not positive in an ethical sense. In a logical sense. Clear?

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    • 03 Apr 07
    • 2:32 pm

    WickyWoo, You seem to believe that Divine Retribution is the totality of religious ethical development. It is not. It is only the first level of any system of ethical development, associated with parental authority over toddlers. It is the most ancient and most basic ethical understanding we have and the ineluctible foundation for further development. Ethical development progresses through various levels as the individual matures. The highest level of development we have so far identified is the spiritual ideal of universal ethical understanding. There is, as yet, no scientific verification of this level, but it is comprehensible. This is what spiritual …

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    • 03 Apr 07
    • 4:15 pm

    Wicky, Calling BS is making a claim. To say it is not is, once again, intellectually dishonest Spiritual truth, however, is positively proven by subjective spiritual experience. Objective explanations of that experiential spiritual reality, however, are subject to broad interpretation, none of which ever breach the cognitive divide between direct experience and indirect observation. Only genuine spiritual apperception can cross that divide. It is like a joke. You either get it or you don’t. You don't get it. You lack the experience. Ipso facto. Your interpretations are meaningless. The religious do not owe you an explanation for their beliefs. …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 4:27 pm

    Posted by WickyWoo on Apr 3, 2007 at 1:53 PM Ti, is right here, Wicky. You are mistaking narrative order for temporal order. Not necessarily the same.

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    • 05 Apr 07
    • 10:35 am

    Wicky, Sorry to be so late in responding. Although I am in general agreement with the documentary hypothesis in the literary construction of the OT, in this particular case, and in the interest of intellectual honesty I can see no logical justification for your conclusions. Please show me where the verses in Gen. 2 are explicitly stated to be in chronological order. I cannot find any such qualifiers. For your delectation, I offer the following comparable narrative: 1. I ate some ice cream yesterday, 2. And I bought that ice cream at the neighborhood store, 3. And I rode my bicycle …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 10:55 am

    That was quick. Answer my questions please. Any reading of any text requires interpretation. One must interpret it within the context of one's own world view at the very least. Literalism is the irrational refuge of Fundamentalists. Not all Christians are Fundamentalists. It is irrational and intellectually dishonest for you to claim that no interpretation is allowed by Christians. It is your rationality that is in question here. I am not going to enable that. Myths do not depend on rationality or empirical reason. They are stories whose mythological meaning points beyond the supposed facts of the narrative. Much like the …

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    • 05 Apr 07
    • 12:34 pm

    "At this point luminous, I know you’re a theist, so just admit it." Actually, Wicky, I'm a 'sitter'. Which means I practice mindfulness as taught by Siddhartha Gotama Shakyamuni, a human being. This does not mean I am a strict believer in Buddhist Doctrine or the Buddha, but follow the Buddha's injunction to examine the mind as a gold assayer examines a sample of ore. With logic and reason and focused empirical observation, without preconceptions. As far as Objective Reality, as Mikey puts it, I am inclined to the scientific method, rather than following the faux philosophical ranting of some neurotic …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 1:17 pm

    "Fundamentalism is the only kind of Abrahamic religion there can be" If this is true then Quaker, Univeralist, Unitarian, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, Sufism, Conservative and Reformed Judaism, and the large majority of Christian, Jewish and Moslem sectarian groups are not Abrahamic religion. How can this be? How can fighting with bad logic ever overcome illogical belief?

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 2:14 pm

    "Christianity is whatever the Bible says it is" Absolutely not. Christianity is what Christians say it is. Christian Doctrine is only in relation to Biblical text. Orthodox Christian Doctrine is determined more by the extra-biblical text of Enoch 2 and decisions of the Ecumenical Councils than from Biblical text. The doctrinal decision against Arianism at the first Council at Nicaea was made by Constantine, who wasn't even a Christian. Sectarian differences are predicated on further parsing and rejection of these non-Biblical doctrinal positions. You yourself made the point that much of Christian belief comes from syncrestic beliefs from other traditions. Things …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 2:35 pm

    Wicky, You yourself are cherry-picking by only highlighting those passages that reflect exceptionalist doctrine or bloody-mindedness by characters in the story. Consider them in context with the passages that reflect sublime wisdom and 10,000 years of human moral development. Expand your understanding and stop clinging to your partisan prejudices. Just reading and taking what appeals to your assumptions and rejecting that which does not, does not mean you know how to think. Thinking and principled argument takes rigorous training in logic and rhetoric. Mathematics too, if you want to be anything more than a pedantic …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 5:29 pm

    As per your questions, they are not yes/no or even maybe. they are open to interpretation and nuanced differences in meaning for which you lack the most basic comprehension. You are over-simplifying and pre-judging according to your own assumptions. You are arguing by assertion. A logical fallacy. For your information, the Dalia Lama has renounced secular authority. I've met a goodly number of Tibetans, not all religious, and none has ever told a single story of unjust persecution by secular or religious Tibetan authorities, much less widespread human rights violations. Not to say the history and politics of Tibet at times …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 5:39 pm

    "And wouldnt a fundamentalist Buddhist be closer to some of those monks that live in incredible seclusion, partially to lower the risk of killing or harming anything?" No.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 6:03 pm

    I don't believe there is any historical evidence that the interpolations in Josephus were performed by the Ecumenical Councils. In fact, there were several different interpolations from various regional monastic copies at various times, none of which date back as far as the councils. Christians were much more literate during the Roman period than the Medieval, but they understood the mythological meanings and were not so literalist as the Calvinist Fundamentalists who sprung up after vulgate translations became more available. This is the very reason the Catholic Church opposed such proliferation. Esoteric Catholic Doctrine is much more symbolic than the Exoteric …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 6:12 pm

    "No, Im reading what it says, literally" No you are not. You are paraphrasing. Literally would mean you are quoting the text. But what I've said holds. You are not a Christian, ergo, you cannot presume to what any particular Christian believes, much less generically. I say you are not putting things in context because you are not putting things in context. When it comes to understanding, context is everything.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 6:19 pm

    "It is when you’ve publically renounced violence, and your religion EXPRESSLY forbids it." Buddhism does not EXPRESSLY forbid violence. Buddhism does not forbid anything except as concerns monastic discipline. Monks renounce violence. Even then, fights break out. The are only human after all. No one expects immediate perfection. It is a long hard row to hoe. Many lifetimes, some say. Monks who fought against the Chinese had to resign from their monasteries before joining the fray, often without time for changing out of their robes. Lay Buddhists seek to overcome violence in their personal lives. It is always voluntary. There is …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 6:29 pm

    The Parenti article is mostly accurate. As I said, Tibetan history and politics has been rough and tumble like the history of any people. One error is that what he attributes to the 1st DL was done by Mongolian warlords who installed the DL after the fact.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 6:35 pm

    "Dalai Llama was paid by the CIA, and they funded resistance fighters" The State Dept., through the CIA, partially helped fund the relocation of the Government in Exile in India. The funding of resistance fighters was as I said. They didn't give them money, they gave arms. Then they tried to dictate where and when and who to fight. The CIA had little or no presence in Lhasa.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 6:46 pm

    I'm not accusing you of any crimes. I am just saying you are INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 7:05 pm

    The problem with saying that Christianity is illogical and irrational to its core is that the Church preserved the logic of Aristotle throughout the Middle Ages. and used it to produce the logical and reasoned body of work from Augustine to Aquinas known as Scholasticism. They were logical, but not progressively scientific. However, much of what appealed to people in the early years of Christianity was its agreement with the Neo-Platonist science of the day. At least the school of Ptolemy of Alexandria.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 7:35 pm

    Mikey, If Aquinas mangled Aristotle, you've reduced Aristotle to sludge. There are so many non-sequitors in the above it is pointless to refute. Let it stand as a monument of stupidity.

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    • 05 Apr 07
    • 7:58 pm

    O Yeah, and Mikey, You're not welcome. [insert blinking smiley face with lunatic expression here]

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 9:48 pm

    "Umm, Ive [sic] CONSTANTLY quoted the text." In the instance refered to you were not. Again INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY "They gave them arms and training, and paid the Dalai Llama [sic] a stipend. You’re trying to steer it away from the parts you don’t like again. A pattern is starting to emerge" This is not significantly different from what I said. The pattern that is emerging is that you are INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST "You keep using those words, I don’t think it means what you think it means. Ask me why I'm not surprized? It's because you're INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST The rest of your …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 10:01 pm

    You aren't proving anything. You are asserting things are true without any more support than your own opinion. When I demonstrate that your assertions are false you ignore it and repeat your self referenced opinions ad nauseum. That is _____________ _________.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 05 Apr 07
    • 10:18 pm

    Given: Wicky thinks all Christians believe the Bible is literally true. Given: Many Christians do not believe the Bible is literally true. Ergo: What Wicky thinks is false.

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    • 05 Apr 07
    • 10:26 pm

    "...in reality what you really hate is negativity." Well, I can't say I find it appealing. You know, you can attract more flies with sugar than vinegar. You're wrong about what I said about anthropologists, by the way. I won't call you a liar over it, though. You also linked to articles in the third previous post, not in the "last three posts". I won't call you a liar over it, though. Let us just say, 'factually challenged'.

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 12:08 am

    "Given- All Christians are required to believe the bible is literally true" Who says so? WickyWoo says so. So?

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 12:19 am

    What I said about anthropologists: "Any anthropologist who has as non-objective and simple-minded a view of religion as you is a failure in his profession." What you said I said about anthropologists: ...when I told you to go call an anthropologist you went off on something about them being partisan. Was it (competent) anthropologists I was calling non-objective? Really? You really think so? No, Really?

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 11:57 am

    You have an amazing capacity for imputing motives that borders on the supernatural. It's like you can read my mind. Not! I just don't understand you can interpret my saying that you are being non-objective and simplistic in a manner that no anthropologist worth his salt would countenance as meaning I would in any way dismiss the opinions of competent anthropologists. It is a mystery beyond mere human comprehension. Especially considering this post I wrote a bit later: "I have read Harris and Dawkins. They lack any professional expertise in anthropology or comparative religion... You might study the works of Joseph …

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 12:52 pm

    It is not a fact that they are required to believe that the Bible is literally true. It is only your opinion and skewed interpretation. I am not applying logic to Christian belief, but to your arguments. That is a fact.

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 1:15 pm

    If Mikey believes objective reality is all that exists, Then Mikey does not believe subjective reality exists. Ergo: Mikey does not believe the reality of his own subjective existence. Pure Aristotelian logic

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 1:58 pm

    Wicky, Let us assume you are correct in saying Christians are illogical. Does that not imply that they are not beholden to the (presumably) logical constraints that you would impose upon their beliefs. Show me where the Bible says that believing the Bible is literally true is a pre-requisite for Christian faith.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 3:10 pm

    So, Mikey, Who is the objective observer on whom you rely to confirm your subjective existence?

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 3:31 pm

    From Jeremiah 31"Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. Does this not question the absolute authority of Mosaic Law? From Ephesians: 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the …

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 4:01 pm

    "Existence presupposes proof, moron." Prove it. (without argumentum ad nauseum) A simple syllogism would be nice for starters. "Like everyone else and every other entity that exists it does not require anyones validation". How would you know unless you had subjective (personal) experience of existing? Mikey, you wouldn't know a formal logical argument from your ass.

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 4:13 pm

    Wicky, You asked where the Bible allows questioning of the Bible. Don't weasel away from your assertion. If the Bible allows questioning of Biblical authority, it follows that the Bible will have contradictory statements, otherwise there would be no verses contrary to prior established Biblical authority. If questioning the authority of the Bible is permitted by the Bible, then blind belief in the absolute authority of the Bible, much less literal truth, is not required.

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 5:30 pm

    It's in the Bible, Wicky, that's what you asked for. Moving the goalposts, are we? I believe I said that the words you claimed as explicitly the intent of Jesus were actually the words ascribed to a character in a story he was telling. Haven't gotten over that, have you? Faith = Blind belief? Not necessarily so. It could mean trust and confidence in the face of uncertain knowledge as well. Especially since grace (spiritual knowledge) is a consequence of diligent faith. One couldn't exacty presume to believe to know beforehand what grace is, could one? We've already been through the …

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 5:56 pm

    Proof presupposes existence. It's just as axiomatic. And just as meaningless.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 5:59 pm

    External to what?

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    • 06 Apr 07
    • 7:34 pm

    Given that millions of Christians report the experience of grace, one cannot discount their faith as not supported by proof. You are trying to prove a general proposition. That requires every instance within the field of argument is in support of that proposition. For example; All sheep are white. One black sheep invalidates the proposition. Doesn't matter how many white sheep you can find. Sorry. Th-th-th-that's all, folks!

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 06 Apr 07
    • 7:41 pm

    O, and Mikey, Axioms only exist as mental constructs, they are not found in the natural world. Here, here little axioms. Get along little axioms. HAY-YAW! I''ve fed you enough. Your existence has been validated. Happy trails!

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    • 13 Apr 07
    • 1:25 pm

    "A promise is not a threat... " Unless, of course, it is a promise to commit bodily harm.

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    • 16 Apr 07
    • 6:44 pm

    I bet on four years ago.

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    • 21 Apr 07
    • 11:05 am

    Arpie, i mean Eric, Do you really think bart is another manifestation of Mikey's propensity to animate hosiery? If so, it reveals an heretofore lacking capacity to learn by disguising his prose style. Peculiar, given his oh so probative citation of an oh so authoritative Objectivist wanker that linguistic analysis is so much bunk. But then again, cognitive dissonance is such a huge part of his M.O. I think the only lesson from this thread one can take is that anti-religious people can suffer from obsessive simple-minded neuroses and psychotic delusions just as much as those who profess religious belief. Maybe …

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    • 23 Apr 07
    • 3:31 pm

    Thanks for the clarification, EB. How could I have gotten it so bass ackwards? Time to send in the myrmidons, eh? Let God sort 'em out. I might look like David from Tijuana, but I feel just like bostonblackie.

    Posted to Preaching Revolution
    • 25 Apr 07
    • 8:44 pm

    No, I am bostonblackie. I am not a troll. I am a gremlin.

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    • 26 Apr 07
    • 9:15 am

    Sorry about your feeling so discomfited, blackie. Should we lunatics not be amused nor amuse ourselves over your little joke? How sad. Your grip on sanity must be very delicate indeed. I, for one, would love to talk to your lawyer. It would be enlightening to discuss with a professional what is in the best interests of his client. Perhaps we could make arrangements through ITT's webmaster? Since you are so freaking brilliant, perhaps this little tidbit will help you make the leap toward wordsalad comprehension you seem unable to achieve on your own: "The only difference between Dali and a …

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    • 26 Apr 07
    • 6:07 pm

    EB, you're such a little stinker, ain't you? Threaten? Moi? Did I say I thought bb was bm? There may well be more to bb than I perceive. But far more? More than I suspect? I suspect the reaction to stripping away the veils of illusion in this little hall of mirrors would be akin to Dorothy's when Toto pulled back the curtain on the Wizard. It's better fun to go along with the play, tongue in cheek, than cynically collapse one's willing suspension of disbelief and spoil it for the unsuspecting audience. That's my philosophy. Though many have thought that …

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    • 09 Mar 07
    • 12:00 pm

    WTH, It couldn't hurt. I can't help but think of New Orleans as the cultural center of US ecstatic and improvisational expression and its synthetic ties to indigenous, African, Carribean and Latin American popular culture and the apparent indifference with which the current political elite has treated the communities central to that tradition in the wake of Katrina.

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    • 11 Mar 07
    • 11:25 pm

    Curious you should mention N'awlinians going to Venezuela, Mikey. Although THIS is primarily a P2P effort by a bunch of POCs working directly with the Venezeulan people, I'm sure if anything comes of it, it will be because the Venezuelan government supports it and Nagin and the rest of NO's city council don't stand in the way. Since it is such a bottom up, self-help organization, I'm sure, as a 'true' libertarian, you'll find it admirable and courageous. That is, unless you really are the racist you claim not to be.

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    • 12 Mar 07
    • 11:28 am

    O, Mikey was being ironic. That explains everything.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 12 Mar 07
    • 5:34 pm

    Thank you, Ironic Mike. You are too kind.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 13 Mar 07
    • 1:14 pm

    "Ok, LB, no more Mister Nice Guy....." I surrender, Mikey. Your instinctive talent for irony is... well... it's... just... sublime!

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 14 Mar 07
    • 12:16 pm

    "God is a concept By which we measure Our... Pain... I'll say it again... ___ __ _ _______ __ _____ __ _______ ___... ____..." ----J. Lennon Believe or disbelieve what you will... it's true.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 17 Mar 07
    • 11:05 am

    Arpie, It's Saturday, Today, I'm of the opinion god is a verb. Not the creator, but the creating. We all shine. Everything above 0 Kelvin shines (except dark matter/energy and black holes?) We also absorb. That which is reflected is first absorbed, then re-emitted in a somewhat altered condition (novel re-creation). No heavy lifting necessary. Faith is beyond (gate, gate, paragate, parasamgate) hope and hopelessness. Faith is focused in the present. It can be certain (or certainly ascertained). Hope, and it's alternative, are projections of our past and present uncertainties into the uncertain future. It's like gambler's disease. So, yes, the …

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    • 18 Mar 07
    • 7:01 pm

    It being Sunday, I was going to mount a spirited defence of polytheism. Maybe later. Jesus laughs! Funny story about laughing children from the OT: 2 Kings 2:23-24. Well, maybe not so funny. Humorous Christian. He's not exactly Mel Brooks, but consider if Spaceballs was the only evidence we had of Jewish humor. And may the Schwartz be with you, too. capable communications with her omnipotence. Tip o' the hat to Spider Robinson. I don't see what you find so harmful, Arpie. Awareness of the Divine Presence is normally construed …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 20 Mar 07
    • 6:36 pm

    Arpie, Old YHWH is a very funny guy. It's just that His sense of humor makes Quentin Tarantino look like Red Skelton and we're the butt of His jokes. Or, as Will Rogers put it, "Everything is funny... as long as it's not happening to you." My people were Methodists. I have an ancestor who was instrumental in the founding of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He split in a dispute with Joseph Smith over polygamy, as the family history has it, and was later anathemized. I was heretic and agnostic to the extreme in my youth, …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 29 Mar 07
    • 4:47 pm

    Kuya, Well said. "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?" I so declare!

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 29 Mar 07
    • 5:22 pm

    Good Google: l'origine du monde "...and all the gods shouted for joy!"

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 30 Mar 07
    • 8:25 pm

    22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
    There are a …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 30 Mar 07
    • 8:32 pm

    Arpie, After spending a good part of the day thinking about lie algebra and quantum geometry, my brain feels a lot like THIS! Thanx a lot. I don't know what picture you were refering to, but the shot of Jessica Alba at the top of the page sure is hot. Definitely my type.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 31 Mar 07
    • 3:00 pm

    Yeah, "Sin City" was good. Beyond the political subtext portraying the existential struggle between left-libertarian and right-libertarian coalitions in the power vacuum of a civil authority paralyzed by corruption, it put a new spin on the concept of graphic violence. I recently saw "300". Though it has a few moments of graphic transcendence, I thought the theme of Hellenic exceptionalism kind of musty and ahistoric. There is, I understand, a "Sin City 2" in production with a reprise of the role of Ms. 'Soul'. I was perusing this thread, looking for some coherent motiv upon which to elaborate and I noticed …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 01 Apr 07
    • 12:49 pm

    Do not confuse faith with religion. Religion is man made. Faith is not. When a person has an abundance of one they usually lack the other. texasindependent on Mar 30, 2007 at 10:39 AM Excuse my confusion, but my understanding of the covenant of God is faith is what humans produce and grace is what God produces in kind. Can you clear this up for me? While particular religions (or religious faiths?) are the production of human culture, generically speaking, religion, in its etymological meaning as 'that which re-connects', is something that the religious minded person does (or, at least, …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 02 Apr 07
    • 9:08 pm

    TI, The ephesians passage is a bit ambiguous, but it seems likely 'that' refers to grace rather than faith. The Young's Literal Translation of the original Greek is even more vague. The hebrews quote seems to imply that faith is equivalent to man's diligence and not something that comes from God, which would seem to agree with my understanding that God's grace is given in measure to human faith generated by devotional practice. Though, as I say, I am not a professing Christian, this seems to accord with my own experience, although slightly different in that it is experience not predicated …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 9:44 am

    TI, I agree, Tex, faith, particularily in the biblical context, is difficult to understand. Grace, too. I think it is safe to say your particular religion is Christianity. Apparently, you're just dissatisfied with the various denominations. What does communion mean to you? Can you imagine having faith without clinging to a singular and particular religious belief? My good friend, Dan, a devoted Christian, has cited Hebrews 11:13 as meaning non-Christians can be saved by living in the spirit of love. I don't think he is a conservative. He is working for Dennis Kucinich. I confess that I understand faith to be …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 03 Apr 07
    • 3:49 pm

    TI, The truth is in the seeking. It truly is cultivating an open and seeking mind. "I understand the concept as you describe it but without Divine intervention it is a creation of man and flawed." Undivided mindfulness arises naturally without effort, so it cannot be manmade. It is not made at all. It has neither beginning nor end. If you believe in Nature's God then it comes from God, but one need not believe in God nor Christ nor cleave to any system of belief for it to arise in one's mind. Understanding the concept is not sufficient. Concepts are …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 10 Apr 07
    • 2:29 pm

    This conversation is getting more and more interesting. A decidedly positive departure from the norm. I'd like to elaborate on sandalwood's point about no-mind, and Mikey's inability to comprehend consciousness as anything more than self-awareness, plus Arpie's nervous apprehension of eternal life. Consiousness is more than me experiencing me. It is a continuum of one's sensate, perceptual and cognitive experience of the world as well as a one's interactive communication with others. Our discriminating knowledge of the world is not solipistically founded on our individual identities, but predicated on the collective growth of such knowledge reaching back to the beginnings of …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 10 Apr 07
    • 2:31 pm

    And a shout out to Kaya, for some very perceptive posts.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 11 Apr 07
    • 11:13 am

    Arpie, Quote away. I was wondering which part of that Chinese symbol you would associate with eupraxia and which with dyspraxia. Rather than enter into such dangerous territory, I suppose we should admit there is a goodly part of each in both. Ah, the wonders of recursiveness. Mikey, Thank you for your correction. My apologies, Kuya. Mikey, you are the pinch of salt that gives this stew its flavor. Which provides a neat segue for this quote from Matthew Fox about praxis (thanx to David): "Wisdom is always taste -- in both Latin and Hebrew, the word for …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 12 Apr 07
    • 9:51 am

    Kurt is up in heaven now;

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 12 Apr 07
    • 9:20 pm

    Anybody want to explain the joke to poor Mikey? I really haven't the appetite but to savor the deliciousness of the irony. Mikey must eat a lot of spinach... in his dreams.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 13 Apr 07
    • 12:47 pm

    Wordsalad for the day: "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." --- Plato Tasty, and full of spinach.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 16 Apr 07
    • 4:57 pm

    You just had to say something, didn't you, Mikey? Though I have serious reservations about Plato's philosophy, particularly in respect to his dualistic mystical idealism and the grievous totalitarianism of "The Republic", the old fart could excrete a decent bon mot occasionally. Here's another just for you, Mikey: "The unexamined life is not worth living." ---(attributed to Socrates) "The secret of love is not in being greatly loved, but in becoming a little more loving." ---That's me.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 16 Apr 07
    • 7:58 pm

    MEOW!

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 7:01 am

    Mikey, Don't ever stop being what you are. You may not be much of a good sport, but you are such a fun sport. Es un milagro.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 1:31 pm

    "...cant decipher a word yo saying." That's why I love you, Mikey. It's your transcendent obliviousness. There are really no words to describe it.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 6:51 pm

    Mikey consults the dictionary and still fails to comprehend. Delicious with an undefinable tarty kick. What a banquet! I love it! I love it! I love it!

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 18 Apr 07
    • 7:30 pm

    Hey! My farts smell much sweeter than the stench exuding from your mouth, little mousie. Just keep on flaming. I've got lots of wieners and marshmallows. Plenty for everybody.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 24 Apr 07
    • 3:23 pm

    Auntie dear; Interesting hypothesis. I noticed the resemblance right away, but all flamebots resemble each other, don't you think? Back then I had the notion Barnes might be the disreputable SWP honcho having his D. Horowitz moment, but that old commie jack is still kicking the gong around. You know he's a redstate edumacator? Color me curious. From his name-dropping, I figured he was L.A. based. (Mikey, he claimed to have known St. Ayn, personally. Wowie-zowie, huh?). Uncredible as Mikey, et alias, may be, his Oaktown footprints are pretty clear. You can lead a troll to reason, but you can't make …

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 25 Apr 07
    • 12:28 am

    Auntie Arpie, I'd suggest blackie read Murray Rothbard's excellent take on St. Ayn and her psychophants. Like mixing Texas medicine and railroad gin, sure to strangle up his mind. Then again, given his incredible capacity for cognitive dissonance, maybe not. That river running past Pharaoh rolls along so wide and deep.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 25 Apr 07
    • 5:42 pm

    blackie, Sorry you are confused. Lots of inside jokes going on here and you stepped right into them, tracking suspicious footprints behind you. Please don't go the Kevorkian route yet. First, you must tell me how you get those half line posts.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 28 Apr 07
    • 8:56 am

    Gileadite, Anosmia is good for Rand. In conjunction with ageusia, better. As a palliative to the whiff of flatulence left by your quote, please allow me this line I have heard attributed to Petr K: "Of course the rich are greedy. Otherwise, they wouldn't be rich."

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 02 May 07
    • 9:10 am

    Eric, "Ok, reasonable points reasonably made." Posted by blondemike on Apr 10, 2007 at 6:16 PM Not an apology, exactly, but a rare bit of reasonableness. I suppose I should offer an apology for egging on Mikey's more common ranting and raving, but I'll resist the temptation.

    Posted to Reclaiming What Makes Us Human
    • 09 Mar 07
    • 12:23 pm

    Is the party of Lincoln going the way of the Edsel? One can only hope.

    Posted to The Administration Goes For Broke
    • 24 Feb 07
    • 12:53 pm

    No, Mikey, It's because the corporate media control the electoral process. In the primaries it's framed as a beauty pageant. In the general, it's a horse race. Issues are not allowed to enter the discussion. For most working people who, if reasonably informed, would gladly vote for Kucinich, there isn't the time to research and familiarize themselves with the complexities that we who are political junkies obsess. They are totally dependent on what they see on TV. I've met Dennis and he's as modest and self-effacing an individual as they come. He'd make a fabulous president.

    Posted to Kucinich Comes Back for 08
    • 13 Feb 07
    • 11:20 am

    WTH, If truth were so simply clear and self-evident, then we'd all be autonomously self-governing individuals interacting on consensual mutual understanding and there would be no need for any kind of government. Wouldn't that be nice? Why does McDonalds sell so many cardboard flavored sandwiches? Why are so many Americans suffering from morbid obesity? What's the sizzle in that? And so on. TI, Maybe we could just have a dictator. One that agrees with what you believe, of course. That would solve all those messy problems with democratic governance, wouldn't it?

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 14 Feb 07
    • 2:45 am

    "I am against any form of totalitarian government." Glad to hear it. One might hope to think you could be persuaded to agree that authoritarian structures of governance are equally as repugnant. "If our views dont agree politically at least we have the option of expressing them openly and with out fear of retribution." We always have the option of expressing our political views openly and fearlessly. As for retribution, it depends on the views and the venue.

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 14 Feb 07
    • 6:22 pm

    TI, "That government which governs best, governs least." ---T. Jefferson It's not the size of the government, it is in the manner and method of governance which accounts for the best. The least coercive. Supposedly, in a democracy we are the government. Would that were so. I don't really understand where you get the idea that progressives are so pro-government. The standing government, to this progressive's point of view, is not in the least the servant of the people. The once progressive governments of FDR through Kennedy and Johnson, including Eisenhower, have long been turning into the dust of history. This …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 15 Feb 07
    • 1:51 pm

    TI, I appreciate your attempts to understand the progressive mind. However the trope of 'collectivism' and the unfounded notion that progressives 'loathe independence and self reliance' is clouding your thinking. This is the typical broad brush strawman characterization that conservatives employ. It is a falsehood. When reasoning from falsehoods, one is constrained from arriving at any truthful conclusions. What is most ironic is conservatives touting independent thinking and personal responsibility, while constantly repeating the ditto-head talking points of populist propagandists and refusing to accept responsibility for their own mistakes and incompetence. What most progressives criticize about the conservative notion of self-reliance …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 16 Feb 07
    • 9:16 am

    TI, I am pleased that you are seeking to find your own independent understanding of the human social, cultural and political project. You are unfortunately mis-informed in your assessment of human nature. We are social animals. The very words we use are not created by ourselves as autonomous individuals but are a cultural heritage. We rely on other's efforts for the food we eat, the clothes we wear, the homes that shelter us. Whatever individual creative gifts we may have are only of value insofar as we return them to the society and culture within which we are imbedded. Success is …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 17 Feb 07
    • 5:30 pm

    TI, Thank you for the short lesson in rugged individualism and social darwinism. I'd never heard that before. How original. Not. "Individualism, self reliance, and independence are not tied to any culture or society. These are crucial components to sucess and survival." That may be true as far as it goes. What is also crucial to human success and survival is human sympathy. Without empathetic human relations, the individual becomes alienated and estranged from society and less capable of any successful activity. If you want to estrange yourself completely from the rest of the world you can. If you have the …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 18 Feb 07
    • 4:08 pm

    TI, So human sympathy is necessary for individual success or not? Have you ever heard of mutual aid?

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 19 Feb 07
    • 12:29 pm

    So mental health is not important for individual success. I don't dispute that it might be true. I do wonder what kind of success that might be. I suppose Ted Bundy was a very successful serial killer. You may not 'buy' the idea of mutual aid, but neither do you understand it in the least. Equating it with collectivism is just wrong. The main determinants for success in a capitalist system (accumulation of wealth) are blind ambition and unreflective self-interest. Intelligence above a certain level becomes a handicap. Indifference to the suffering of others is also helpful. Thanks for …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 20 Feb 07
    • 2:15 pm

    TI, It does not take superior intelligence to be a successful businessman. The ability to balance one's checkbook will suffice. It isn't like quantum dynamics or anything. The most important factor is luck and persistence and as the old trope goes, location, location and location. In spite of what you might believe, I think small entrepreneurial capitalism is a good thing. For minorities or anyone else. My problem is with mercantilism on a large scale. Think corporatism. It is how capitalism has come to be defined. It is just as onerous as any authoritarian state and when global oligopolies are the …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 22 Feb 07
    • 12:29 am

    "Mutual aid is an economic term as defined by Proudhon and Kroptkin. I am not sure what left wing goof has lassoed the term into natural sciences." What you know about mutual aid is obviously what you have cribbed from Wikipedia. The left wing goof was Peter Kropotkin. He was a natural scientist by profession. One of the finest of his era. Not at all an effort to get around Darwin, but an affirmation of Darwin. He effectively refuted the 'nature, bloody in tooth and claw' social darwinian tendency of the day and helped to create the bases …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 22 Feb 07
    • 12:41 am

    "I believe in cooperation as neccessary for mutual benefit. As a businessman I have mutually beneficial realtionships with customers, suppliers, and even with competition. As far as it goes, this is mutual aid. If you included your employees as part of the equation, then you'd be more completely in harmony with the natural order of things. How would that destroy markets? If equity was shared on the basis of workers earning it, how would that kind of voluntary and democratic distribution of property be anything but justified?

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 23 Feb 07
    • 5:41 pm

    "Nature is violent, brutal, and efficient. The strong survive and the weak are dinner." This is Thomas Hobbes, not Charles Darwin. It is the tautology of social darwinism and conservative political ideology and has little to do with actual evolution or natural science in general. We are all food in the end. The food chain is cyclical not hierarchical. The more correct formulation of 'survival of the fittest' would be more like 'survival of the reasonably fit'. However, the real distinction is in the selection of adaptive over non-adaptive traits distributed in regional populations stochastically over fairly long periods of time. …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 25 Feb 07
    • 11:31 am

    Thank you, Maria, You're too kind. I wish I could express myself in Spanish half as well as you do in English.

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 26 Feb 07
    • 2:11 pm

    TI, Predator/prey is not the only kind of interspecies relation in the natural world. An example of a true symbiont pair would be you and the e. coli that inhabits your gut and allows you to digest your food. An obvious win/win relationship. Nonetheless, the lion and the zebra are inter-dependent. The health of the zebra population is husbanded and stabilized by the predations of lions. This feeds the lions. Again, win/win. Adaptation is not determined by the individual interactions between particular members of species but by the collective relationships of whole populations within their respective biomes over generations. They are …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 26 Feb 07
    • 5:33 pm

    Dig this, daddy-o!

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 27 Feb 07
    • 8:41 pm

    People have to learn how to kill. It doesn't come easy. Didn't you go through basic? At our core we are infinitely compassionate. When we are in touch with the core of existence, we lose our egos and become nothing but our relationship with the whole of being. If you ever experience it, you will know. Until then, your mind is at the mercy of whatever ego reinforcing opinion that any manipulative bull-shitter may whisper in your ear. Where have I proposed taking your money? All I'm asking is you share equity in your business with your employees as part of …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 01 Mar 07
    • 9:49 am

    What marxist dogma? I'm sorry, my karma ran over your dogma. All I am offering is ideas. If you want programs and policies, we first must understand the ideas upon which those programs and policies should be based. I'm really more interested in structural reform, myself. Gaining equity in one's employment for one's labor changes nothing in the market system. It just gives the worker investment leverage and a modicum of decision power in the enterprise in which he or she is engaged. Like all good capitalists want. There's formal training and there is unconscious social and cultural conditioning. You decide, …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 02 Mar 07
    • 5:04 pm

    Ti, I'm afraid your arguments are descending into a spiral of geometrically expanding gibberish, but I'll try to respond. Because I feel your pain. "At our core we are all killers. To pretend otherwise is to deny human nature." Posted by texasindependent on Feb 27, 2007 at 1:26 PM "Violence itself is the result of one determining factor...free choice. No other factor can force a person to commit violent acts." Posted by texasindependent on Mar 2, 2007 at 11:11 AM I'll take this as an intellectual redoubt and concession that violence isn't an innate characteristic of our essential natures, but a …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 02 Mar 07
    • 5:21 pm

    "Life is unfair get over it." Posted by texasindependent on Mar 2, 2007 at 11:11 AM 'Life' is neither fair nor unfair. Fairness and justice are characteristics of human moral values and ethical behavior. A matter of free choice, if you will. And, no, I will not get over it, thank you. You can take that to the bank.

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 03 Mar 07
    • 8:57 pm

    Ti, You're clarification is a distinction without a difference. You are all over the map. Violence is instinctual. Violence is free will. The reaction to violence is instinctual. Your violent intent to react to mere trespassing with murder and malice aforethought is not an unconscious reaction but premeditation, no? Very confused thinking here. You obviously are not as intelligent as you think you are. You believe presenting opinion as assertion without reasoning or establishing empirical fact in support is a legitimate argument. You repeat these assertions without addressing reasoned arguments against as if the repeating is going to strengthen your assertions. …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 08 Mar 07
    • 4:28 pm

    TI, "It is a far nobler gesture to simply acknowledge the fact that I don’t have the time, energy, or desire to find “acceptable” research to support the common knowledge that humans are inherently violent creatures with a thin veneer of forced civilization." I take this to mean that you've been wasting some time and energy trying to find some scientific evidence to back-up your claim that humans are genetically disposed to violence and are simply unable to find any. If you search for articles about 'mirror neurons' you will easily find there is plenty of evidence that sympathetic emotional responses …

    Posted to Dreaming Up New Politics
    • 27 Jan 07
    • 2:19 pm

    Scorpy, You really are a frog embracing a bottle of beer. A one person masturbate-a-thon. "The capitalist problem of distributing created wealth is a far different and easier..." Yeah, it is so much easier to say 'fuck the poor' and pretend they just don't exist. Of course Bill Gates has earned every cent he's accumulated for writing a few of lines of code, while an agriculture worker who has a broken body after forty years of back-breaking labor at minimum wage is deserving of nothing and should just shuffle off to die. No problem with that, is there Scorpy?

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 28 Jan 07
    • 12:51 pm

    Zižek The HTML code is: & # 3 8 2 ; alltogether, partner.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 29 Jan 07
    • 10:18 am

    Scorpy, I've worked in the ag sector in this country all my life. You don't know what your talking about. Venezuela is a dictatorship only in your fevered and fetid imagination. There are entrpreneurs in Venezuela. Venezuela has the largest private sector economic growth in the hermisphere for the last three years. Haiti is the most impoverished country in the Americas and it is not the result of socialism. Followed by Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua, all due to the tender mercies of US intervention and also without the burden of socialist government. Haiti was at one time the richest island in …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 29 Jan 07
    • 1:03 pm

    Scorpy, Anyone who believes any propaganda from the Miami Mafia is the biggest fool, evah. Cuba has not garnered its world wide medical reputation on the basis of propaganda, but by its real accomplishments. Cuba can send over 28,000 health professionals to volunteer in developing countries yet still maintain the highest ratio of doctors per capita in the world. The fastest growing and largest grossing export in the Cuban economy is medical products and pharmaceuticals in spite of the US embargo and Torricelli Bill trade punishments on countries that provide Cuba with precursor chemicals. To blame Cuba for …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 29 Jan 07
    • 2:01 pm

    Anyone with an interest in Cuba's medical system would be well served by studying this RESOURCE. MEDICC is a medical publication by US medical professionals working in Cuba and with Cuban medical missions around the world. It is full of useful and informative content free of the norm of political propaganda with which we as US citizens are constantly inundated by the corporate press.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 30 Jan 07
    • 5:21 pm

    Scorpy, Unless oil prices fall in the toilet for a long time, Venezuela is sitting pretty strong with $50B in cash reserves. You know and I know that the need for capital markets to grow will continue for the fore-seeable future to put upward pressure on the cost of petroleum given that the rate relative to the increase of proven reserves has been for several years steadily falling against increasing demand. As has been expected by anyone is willing to look unflinchingly at the facts of the matter. Seasonal price volatility aside. As I understand it, Venezuela's finance ministry has calculated …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 30 Jan 07
    • 5:39 pm

    Scorpy, My characterizations of your person are based on the implications of your arguments. This is the obverse of dismissing your arguments by debasing your character.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 31 Jan 07
    • 11:28 am

    Scorpy, "Venezuela’s most valuable asset is trust, and Chavez pissed that away when he started stealing other peoples’ property. " You are the one misstating Venezuela's position. Chavez is not stealing anything. You should get your facts from somewhere besides the Wall Street Journal editorial page. The panicky reaction of brain-dead market cowboys like yourself promises to play into Chavez's hands, though. When the time comes for Venezuela to buy back the majority interest in CANTV and the privatized energy sector, they will be at bargain prices. I agree the US would like to do to Chavez what they did to …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 31 Jan 07
    • 2:53 pm

    WTH, You are somewhat correct in saying that government statistics are subject to manipulation. But is not necessarily so. Before 1980 the SAUS was the standard of the world for cross-referenced and empirically validated statistics. The Reagan administration tried to squash it. When they couldn't do that they began fudging everything in sight from weather reporting to unemployment figures. One onerous example is Greenspan's introduction of price substitution to minimize the impact of inflation. The statistics wars, as they are called, continue to this day. Due in the main to right wing think tanks like AEI and the Cato Institute, and …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 31 Jan 07
    • 3:15 pm

    EB, I appreciate you trying to steer the conversation back on subject.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 31 Jan 07
    • 4:26 pm

    David, You are obviously the madam of an S&M brothel in Tijuana. The one I go to after dumping my customers out in the desert. I wish I could create believable personae. I'd be earning my living writing fiction. (who's gonna be the first to jump on that opening?)

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 31 Jan 07
    • 8:43 pm

    Dave, Depends on my mood, I guess. We coyotes are moody hombres, 'cause a all that Catholic guilt.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 01 Feb 07
    • 2:05 pm

    WTH, It seems we are in basic agreement. I'd like you to explain the cost of housing in a bit clearer manner, though. I think you meant 1996 dollars in your statement about income levels. I know it is easy to bash bureaucrats, but civil servants mostly only do what the law requires. Politicians theoretically decide what the law is, but given that they are mostly dependent on corporate sponsorship for electoral financing and being treated in the corporate media as legitimate contenders, who do you think is most responsible for this skewing of facts? Who among our elected officials do …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 01 Feb 07
    • 3:30 pm

    "We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders. And every single day, every single one of us needs to step outside and take some action to help stop this war. Raise hell… We need people in the streets, banging pots and pans and demanding, ‘Stop it, now!’” -- Molly Ivins, she died last night in Austin, Texas. She was 62 years old. Listen/Read/Watch this insightful interview with one of America's finest, funniest and smartest political commentators, ever.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 02 Feb 07
    • 1:14 am

    Ye of the vanishing smile, Remember what the dormouse said.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 02 Feb 07
    • 1:10 pm

    Scorpy, Time you checked again into party campaign contributions. The Repuglicans have always had the bigger end of the stick when it comes to corporate and wealthy donors. One George Soros doesn't make a dent. Most big moneybags hedge their bets, naturally. They have historically been on the average more generous to the Repugs. Next come the Country Club Repugs who hold the keys in the alliance between the oligarchs and the Raygun Revolution populist horde of religious reactionaries and born again 'free market' true believers. It's the natural way of things Repuglican. These Internets tube thingies have given the Dimocrats …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 03 Feb 07
    • 5:40 pm

    Theo, It is true there is nothing silly in the point Zizek is making. That doesn't mean we can't have fun with it. That it is something of a challenge to discern the genuineness of a given party only increases the fun. I think my Other generated alter ego would agree. Is that Norway you're posting from? P.S. Scorpy is very much a one trick pony. By his consistency one might infer that , whether paid or not, he is quite genuine. A genuine ass. Just imagine how much fun it might be if the increasingly complex and self-programming internet becomes …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 03 Feb 07
    • 11:41 pm

    There's an ambient music group called Mustard Gas And Roses. This is the last paragraph of the blurb for their album "Nova Lux": "Just as Slaughterhouse Five laid bare a catastrophic event made deliberately obscure in the annals of world history, Nova Lux assembles the fragments of a corrupted archetypal memory into something almost tangible - the flashpoint where the collective consciousness and personal recollection collide. Slow and deliberate, spectral and brooding, it finds its purpose with those who listen intently and without distraction." Have we, much like Billy Pilgrim, become unstuck in the www? Where are the …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 04 Feb 07
    • 11:11 am

    RP, Greek flag. D'oh! Sorry, Theo. I don't think scorpy is all that stupid. Not for someone with only half a brain. I don't refute every fool thing he writes. That would be a full time job. I'll just note that in his list of top all time donors only four corporations in that list gave more to Dems than Reps and marginally at that. The rest were all unions. I didn't realize that unions represented rich people and their corporate interests. I want my dues back. And simply point out that scorpy claimed: "In the 2004 election cycle, the top …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 20 Feb 07
    • 10:27 pm

    Aaargh, and shiver me timbers me proud 'n' brave freebootin' comrades 'ere on the good ship Zizek. A tale I be a-waitin' on an' a fine tale it oughter be. Don'cha be excitin' me churchly penance wi' yer Dadaist mummery 'n' frummery 'n' yer Marx 'n' yer Jesus Mahomet 'n' a' that, else I be setting 'annibal loose upon yer feathery soft arses. Fer I claim rights as Pilot, an' me extra share due ere this 'ere voyage bifurcate anon 'n' anon 'n' again anon inta a mess o' weedy sargasso doldrums. 'Tis on account o' me bein' so hot 'n' …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 20 Feb 07
    • 11:43 pm

    Poseur! Ye'll not confuse me wi' yer pointed Orwellian doublespeak, my inversely eponymous friend, fer I spy tha other 'and, unwashed, slippin' down tha 'osiery of some poor unsuspecting [a]Magdalene wench. Yer lustful yearnings in thar end yet unsatisfied fer want o' me unassailable an' unattainable sultry hotness. A whippin' ye be wantin', a whippin' ye'll be a-gettin'. 'annibal! Lash the insolent rogue to the mast. Aaaaaaaaarrrrrg!

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 24 Feb 07
    • 6:31 pm

    Aye, I be thankin' ye both o' ye fer putting a fair heap o' gilded aire fer me t' tack upon me already infinitely recoursin' readin' list. Tha drunkard's walk yer suggestions ha' sent me o'er these 'ere digital seas, ha' filled me poor idle brane up t' o'erflowing wi' visions o' wond'rous isles awash wi' piles o' booty 'n' plenty wild piglets a-bounding t' be a-fittin' tha barbacoa. But be tha' fer the nonnie non, as fer tha nonce I yet be a-ploughin' me rudder 'n' keel through tha latest tidal zone plunderin's an' a-musin's o' a scurvy pirate o' …

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 16 Mar 07
    • 8:54 pm

    The 'worst'? That's saying a lot. Huffingtonpost.com is much worse. Always Save to Cache. It can get to be a pain when you go over the 4000 character limit, for which there is no warning. I like the Edit button. It's kind of unique in my experience.

    Posted to In You More Than Yourself
    • 23 Jan 07
    • 6:56 pm

    TI, WTH, Martial values like Duty, Honor, and Country are in the service of liberal democratic values, such as Liberty, Equality, and Justice for All, not the other way around. At least in a democratic nation. If you guys have no interest in living and participating in a democratic society, then consider your priorities to be perfectly understood. Exactly for what they are. Would that the military as it stands were well trained and disciplined in the kind of promising new paradigms emerging from our present horrifically incompetent, disengenuous, and counter-productive involvement in Iraq. We always seem to learn the same …

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 24 Jan 07
    • 9:47 am

    Oh! TI. I'm so scared! the terraist bogeyman is gonna kill me in my bed! Not. How, exactly, does a Martial State produce a democratic society, except that the people revolt against the Martial State? Is there anything more elitist than the chain of command? It's not the men and women on the ground upon whom I look down. Look past their uniforms and they and I are the same. It's the asshole sitting on the throne, ordering those who honorably serve to commit dishonorable acts, I disdain. You haven't a clue about my priorities. In fact, you are totally clueless. …

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 24 Jan 07
    • 11:48 am

    WTH, You do your own intelligence a great disfavor by your false and demeaning characterization of for whom I do and whom I do not have sympathy and compassion . But if it gives you some solace against the dearth of wisdom age has brought you, then who am I to judge? Go ahead and believe in the bloody Hobbesian intrinsic awful vengefulness of yourself and the rest of humanity if you find it assuages in some small measure the painful conflict driven and unsatisfactory state of your guilt-ridden conscience. You are your own man and I wouldn't take away your …

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 24 Jan 07
    • 1:12 pm

    Perhaps if the question was 'how to compensate the victims of crime?' and not about the ethical basis of the death penalty, I would have more to say about the victims. Do you really believe your red herring argument about the victims is anything but a disengenuous distraction?

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 25 Jan 07
    • 9:47 am

    TI, In the words of the late John Belushi, "Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!"

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 25 Jan 07
    • 6:24 pm

    "Racism is as disgusting today as it was in Menckens time." That is sad. I was really hoping that racism had gotten more disgusting since the days when Henry Louis Mencken was giving hell to the KKK.

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 25 Jan 07
    • 9:52 pm

    TI, Mark Twain used the word 'nigger' some 250 times in "Huck Finn". I suppose that makes him a racist. (read "Huck Finn" to find out.) There is much that I find disagreeable in the writings of Mencken. He was a social darwinist for one thing. But his elite included the exceptional and gifted from all races and nationalities. Was he insensitive to the sensibilties of minority groups? He was insensitive to all groups. He was above all a critic of groupthink. Especially the Booboisie. And that is what gets your goat. You being such a passionate spokesperson for the mediocre …

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 02 Feb 07
    • 10:02 pm

    TI, I think it's the trail of corpses in the wake of US foriegn policy that gets them danged foriegners upset. How dare they? Let's take all our bad TV shows and brain-dead movies and go home. That'll learn 'em. Thanks for the laughs, clueless.

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 04 Feb 07
    • 3:24 pm

    All demeaning insults and strawman characterizations all the time. The righties understanding of principled debate. TI, Here is a scholarly LINK that will explain everything you need to know.

    Posted to Love the Warrior, Hate the War
    • 14 Jan 07
    • 11:59 pm

    You make it quite clear that one good reason for a strong civil criminal justice system is to protect the accused from the rough hands of vigilante justice, WTH. I don't want to give you the idea that I'm soft on criminals, but I believe killing a killer is just a shitting useless empty and totally unsatisfactory compensation for the always horrific losses caused by the mindless self-interested and arrogant indifference for human life of any one of a whole lot of sons of bitches. Not a few of whom have been men of great wealth and power acting fully within …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 15 Jan 07
    • 10:27 am

    "I used to argue for life in prison, but am no longer so naive as to think there is such a thing." There is such a thing, WTH. There are many of those convicted beyond a reasonable doubt who later turn out to be falsely accused. I have to ask, does being so reflexively cynical really give your own life more meaning, or less? I think if you were to actually get to know some of these 'animals' you are so anxious to 'eliminate', you'd find cynicism is something you have in common.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 17 Jan 07
    • 8:30 am

    Life in prison is hardly a kindness, WTH. My view of justice is to ask, how did such a specific human being come to be a murderer? With a view to minimizing such behavior in the future. I tend to doubt the cause is a surfeit of sympathy in their lives. There is little to be learned from killing them.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 19 Jan 07
    • 11:36 pm

    Angulimala

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 21 Jan 07
    • 2:20 pm

    Funny, WTH. Bloody-minded, but funny. Of course, it still leaves you less than morally entitled to kill the killers. Unless you are making claims of moral perfection in both thought and deed? Above, you seem to think that your willingness to confess to your hypothetical crimes would leave you immune to legal sanction in the event of a jury trial ('home in time for dinner'). Without considering the incomprehensible assumption that a guilty plea and throwing oneself on the mercy of the court has ever been a protection against legal sanction, how do you square that optimistic faith with the objective …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 22 Jan 07
    • 2:52 pm

    Pardon me, WTH, I don't understand. Is killing those who commit murder going to restore the lives of those who were murdered? My understanding of equal protection means the accused receive a fair trial. You know, fair legal representation, habeas corpus, the right to confront one's accusers, protection of the fairly adjudicated from cruel and unusual punishment and such. Are you saying something different? I ask because you seem quite willing to interpret the meaning of Gandhi and the Old Testament to fit your arguments rather than trying to understand their intended meanings, so far as to suggest they are both …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 22 Jan 07
    • 9:59 pm

    So, WTH, You are just venting your feelings of impotence and rage about a particular situation of which you personally have experience, at least by association. It's all about your own desire for private revenge. No principled reason for it at all. Thanks. I now understand.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 23 Jan 07
    • 3:50 pm

    Could you be more unintelligible, WTH? I know you're writing in English. Making sense out of it is another thing. Do you not know what a rhetorical question is? The fact you repeat it (twice!) and feel compelled to answer it, and thereby ignoring the substantive body of my comment, is compelling evidence you have a slippery intellectual grasp on the subject. Do you have any reason to believe from what I've written that I am unable to make the distinction between attacker and attacked? I am not defending criminals or their crimes. I'm not advocating parole for murderers. I am …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 24 Jan 07
    • 1:29 pm

    You are not killing a criminal because he is old and dying but as a punishment for his actions, no matter what sophistry you use to disguise it. No matter how dispassionate you may pretend in the act, it is an act of revenge. Whether an individual is ever capable of genuine remorse and a 'return to normalcy' (whatever that is) will never be known by killing them. It is difficult for me to understand how either passionate or dispassionate revenge upon the perpetrator of a crime is in any way an act of compassion toward the victim. Nor can I …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 24 Jan 07
    • 7:55 pm

    You are correct about the horror that people feel when they are informed of the impending parole of a criminal who has done them harm. That horror is created or re-created in the present moment by their own minds, not the past or present or imagined future actions of the criminal. You may think this shows no compassion, but it is only by honestly facing and taking responsibility for the content of one's own mind that one may overcome fear and pain and anguish. Assuring people they are justified in identifying the cause of their suffering in the person of someone …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 25 Jan 07
    • 10:32 am

    I didn't think you'd understand, WTH. I was right, but that doesn't help anyone. So I'll let it go.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 25 Jan 07
    • 2:25 pm

    "Gee, thanks. Ill just tell my friend, 'Not to worry.' " Compare your 'understanding' with what I wrote. "Compassion does not mean pity nor soft-heartedness nor taking the side of the victim. It means helping another to overcome their suffering, their anger, their confusion. Not with euphemistic and self-satisfying platitudes, but genuine and honest and non-judgmental concern." You aren't disagreeing. Your response is utterly non-responsive. A little bitter sarcasm combined with superficial dismissiveness. But I can accept it. I don't expect much depth from you anyway.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 25 Jan 07
    • 5:51 pm

    Reruns keep happening in spite of millenia of executions. Resolving the one particular situation of your experience with an execution is only another act of violence and it will inevitably lead to another. This one particular execution may stop this one particular killer from killing again, but out of that execution and thousands of others, the belief is reinforced that killing is sometimes justified. Some over-excited fool with mistaken priorities, will consequently believe that justification in addressing his own personal grievances and kill. Somebody else's family will suffer just like your friend's. And so on.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 29 Jan 07
    • 4:25 pm

    WTH, The sad and simple fact is that the death penalty is not reducible to the particular and personal situations of your friends. It is a policy of the State. A coercive and onerous one that invests in the State the power of life and death over its citizens. There could be no greater obstacle to nor fundamental denial of personal or social liberty. I fail to see how your fear and insecurity over the merely theoretical and factually uncertain consequences of the conditions of parole are of sufficient moral force to allow for the actual and certain killing of another …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 29 Jan 07
    • 4:50 pm

    WTH, David said he would be willing to take the blow himself. That is not doing nothing. What are you thinking? Having run with the Hell's Angels on occasion, I would suggest there are very few among them I would trust as a personal bodyguard. I would much prefer a pacifist trained in the martial arts. Don't believe for a minute such do not exist. You have a very naive and prejudicial view of what pacifism is. It is not passivism.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 30 Jan 07
    • 1:03 pm

    Let me get this straight. Screw-driver man has been in prison for over thirty years! And Jack and Char are still frightened of him? What a waste of one's golden years. Have they tried negotiating with screw-driver through his legal reps? His parole officer? His family? Unless there has been effort made to arrive at rapprochement and it has repeatedly failed, I don't see how it is irrational on its face. It seems you and they are assuming the only possible understanding of screw-driver man is the one generated by their fear of his vengefulness toward them because of their fear …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 30 Jan 07
    • 2:24 pm

    WTH, One significant difference in the fashion in which both you and I are structuring our view-points. You are focusing your attention on the past and doing a bang-up job of representing the near-intractability of the gone and vanished if not forgotten past's persistent and continuing impact on individual lives to re-engender fear and violence. I am seeking rather to focus on the present and looking as to what dis-continuity we can create, if not to stop completely and forever, permanently and immediately, without caveat or exception, (which seems is the only answer that could reasonably please you) but to at …

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 30 Jan 07
    • 3:22 pm

    WTH, I'm gladdened to know you aren't advocating mass killings. Really. I am. I'm really sorry for brow-beating you about broad general moral issues, too. I realize you are basically a decent person. You don't have to address them. It is your right and prerogative. Please forgive me for asking.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 31 Jan 07
    • 9:56 pm

    Dave, I've often wondered about that saying, as if the road to heaven is paved with evil intentions?

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 07 Feb 07
    • 6:45 pm

    Mikey, I believe the Chinese execution method you're thinking of is lingchi, or, the Death Of A Thousand Cuts. Hanging, drawing and quartering is just good old-fashioned English fun.

    Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 2:37 pm

    At the risk of giving wolfgang an apoplectic fit, there is a strong movement in this country for public financing of elections. It seems the most democratic way to go for me. If implemented fairly it would put incumbents and challengers on an equal footing. It could even help make third party campaigns more viable. I think opening up venues of speech to those who other-wise cannot afford to make their voices heard in the public arena, is an expansion of freedom of speech, not a limitation. Freedom of the press for those who can afford one has …

    Posted to Outlawing Legal Bribery
    • 07 Jan 07
    • 3:01 pm

    You're right, Mikey: The incumbent will always have a leg up. That is unless he/she has been demonstrably incompetent, criminal or corrupt. Effective governmental transparency and sunshine legislation is another topic. What an effective and meaningful 'fourth estate' would look like is another. A well-informed actively participating public still another. There is a rational argument for institutional memory. I would much rather have a government dedicated to the advancement and protection of diversity in representative democracy and its functioning, than the boot-heel of the coercive functions of the state on my neck, telling me I'm so indubitably free, because I have …

    Posted to Outlawing Legal Bribery
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 3:34 pm

    Interesting that when confronted with the direct evidence of his pathology Jack immediately falls into a simulcrum of narcolepsy. Methinks projection is the least of his symptoms. His reiterant use of the words 'psychobabble' and 'wordsalad' indicate a very likely tendency toward schizophrenia. We shouldn't be too hard on him, mental illness is a serious matter. The sun shines brightly on the beach in Oahu this morning, sparkling the deep blue of the ocean's infinite expanse like pixie dust. Calming and reassuring is the crunching give of the sand under one's feet, and the lonely cries of seabirds from the cluster …

    Posted to A View on Pelosi from a World Away
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 3:43 pm

    Well, hello Mikey, Nice to see you up and awake.

    Posted to A View on Pelosi from a World Away
    • 30 Dec 06
    • 10:53 am

    I can't wait to see TNR's review of "The Good Shephard". Sure to be a major political spit fit. Jack, you're a fine one to disparage another's IQ. Pot scrub thyself, to coin a phrase.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 30 Dec 06
    • 10:59 am

    Here's a good question to pursue for those of a shallow, self-important mind-set (you know who you are): Did Ian Fleming invent product placement?

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 10:15 am

    If freedom is only the freedom to make money, if quality of life is averaged between the handful who experience great wealth against the multitudes who have nothing at all, then, yes, I suppose your right-wing foundation statistics are meaningful, scorpy. Don't forget that those figures you cite for Chile are under a Socialist government. State sponsored deaths, political prisoners, torture victims and disappeared under Pinochet: Tens of thousands. Under Allende and the Socialist governments that have followed Pinochet: 0 Yes, Kimberley, freedom to be richer than anybody else is not free. You should remind yourself everytime you use your computer …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 10:29 am

    If you are really curious, Kimberley, you might seek to discover why Henry Kissinger can't travel to much of Europe.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 10:40 am

    Scorpy and JORGE, sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 10:53 am

    More FRIENDS of scorp, fighting to keep the world free for right-wing thugs.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 11:32 am

    In Guatemala, apparent US support for heavy-handed tactics used by the Guatemalan army and police in a war against a communist insurgency comes under question. In a report he presents to the US Department of State, the then deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in Guatemala, Viron Vaky, expresses his concerns about the human rights situation in the country. Vaky states, "The official squads are guilty of atrocities. Interrogations are brutal, torture is used and bodies are mutilated. ... "In the minds of many in Latin America, and, tragically, especially in the sensitive, articulate youth, we (the US) are …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 11:46 am

    “CIA actively supported the military Junta after the overthrow of Allende,” the report states. “Many of Pinochet’s officers were involved in systematic and widespread human rights abuses....Some of these were contacts or agents of the CIA or US military.” "The CIA’s Directorate of Operations is currently blocking the release of hundreds of secret records covering the history of U.S. covert intervention in Chile between 1962 and 1975. The CIA issued “CIA Activities in Chile” pursuant to the Hinchey amendment in the 2000 Intelligence Authorization Act--a clause inserted in last year’s legislation by New York Representative Maurice Hinchey calling …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 12:12 pm

    Posted by kimberlyausten on Jan 1, 2007 at 10:03 AM Yes, Kimberley, I do indeed get the picture. Our capitalist system is so strong it is threatening to destroy the ecological balance of the planet. But what does it matter what kind of world our grandchildren inherit, as long as 'I get mine!'

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 12:21 pm

    Posted by Major Major on Jan 1, 2007 at 11:03 AM It is an interesting fact that MENSA is a club for people with second-rate intellects. Their motto could well be, "We're no Einsteins, but we're smarter than you. Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!"

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 12:43 pm

    "Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to "make the economy scream" in Chile to "prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him," prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate. Since the coup, however, few U.S. documents relating to Chile have been actually declassified- -until recently. Through Freedom of Information Act requests, and other avenues of declassification, the National Security Archive has been able to compile a collection of declassified records that shed light on events in Chile between 1970 and 1976. These documents include: ** …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 1:00 pm

    Not only are you exaggerating about the deaths under Pinochet, you are ignoring, as is the wont of socialists, the tens of millions of dead under socialism. If your observations were not so tragic, they would be mildly amusing. Why dont you take your rant to the socialistworkers website, where it is appreciated? United States Posted by scorp on Jan 1, 2007 at 11:41 AM I'm not exaggerating 'deaths' under Pinochet. I was giving the cumulative totals of 'deaths, torture victims, political prisoners, and disappeared', nor am I ignoring the tens of millions dead under nominally 'socialist' dictatorships. They simply are …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 1:32 pm

    Scorpy, I have plenty about which to disagree with the CPUSA, etc., and nearly all revolutionary marxist movements of the past and present. But I am not a member of those organizations, nor a citizen of those countries. What criticisms I have of them is secondary to my moral obligation to bring my own nation closer to the ideals of justice, liberty, and equality it espouses. If you think it is somehow a good moral argument to rationalize inhumane brutality on the premise that we aren't as bad as them, there is little that I can do to convince you otherwise. …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 2:22 pm

    "Never in one hundred million years will you create prosperity by redistributing wealth from producers to non-producers." So, in your opinion, scorpy, wage earners, laborers, mechanics, technicians and subsistence farmers are not producers, only the investment and professional managerial classes produce anything? I would ask, who should own the means of production? Those who do the actual work of producing, or those who have merely inherited the lion's share of equity in capital property?

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 2:56 pm

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana Of course it is your choice, Kimberly. Choose wisely is all I ask.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 4:58 pm

    Major, It's not just that he quotes hisself, but it is such a banal question-begging quotation. Complaining about other's complaints, as it were. Much like blondemike, scorpy, for all his purported native intelligence, has never actually learned how to think.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 6:20 pm

    Yeah, Mikey, You completely demolished me when you demonstrated the fact that you have the vaguest notion of what an axiom is. Another lesson you need to learn; juvenile insults and shallow opinions are not rational nor logical rebuttals. You need professional help, Bunky.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 6:51 pm

    Mil gracias, Maria. Y tu, tambien; ¡Feliz Año Nuevo!

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 2:20 am

    They aren't relevant to Chile in 1973. Allende wasn't Lenin or Stalin or Castro or Mao or Pol Pot. His is a different case. That Cold War mythology is just that, mythology. The Soviet Union was never a real threat to the US on the global stage. The level of support they gave to revolutionary movements was pathetically asymmetrical to the amount we contributed to stop them. There were Soviet spies in Chile, but their own records show that they had virtually no influence on Allende. If he had taken their advice, which was a condition of their support, and taken …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 1:55 pm

    "The history of Allende’s systematic destruction of the Chilean economy is well documented." No, it is not. What is well documented is the CIA's concerted and successful effort to undermine the Chilean economy under Allende. Nixon said, "Make the economy scream", and they did. You just don't understand that socialism can only work in a democratic society. That is what undermined the Soviet Union. Allende was well aware of this and is why he kept the Soviets at arms length. Which is why all your ranting about the 'evils of communism' is not relevant. Capitalism (or what is called capitalism. It …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 2:59 pm

    "mikey DID define an axiom, you are the one that apparently did not know what it meant if you reread the thread. you cant debunk an axiom as you claimed. there was no need to respond to your silly example because it involved the fallacy of the stolen concept, using something you claim to dispute as the basis for your alleged refutation. using reason to discredit reason. you confused axioms with postulates." Jack, you are wrong. There is nothing in what I wrote that denied or disputed existence or reason. What I used to dispute the absurd illogic of the common …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 5:18 pm

    Jack, In Logic, a negative proposition is one that states that something is not true. E.g. 'dogs are not cats', or 'Batman is not as powerful as Superman'. The fact that neither Batman nor Superman actually exist in a physical sense is immaterial. The proposition exists. If death means the end of human existence, then according to your reasoning, death cannot exist, since it produces non-existence and non-existence doesn't exist, only existence exists. You need to put away the Ayn Rand and take basic courses in logic and philosophy.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 7:18 pm

    your propositions never have any referents in objective reality as your two above examples show. United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 4:52 PM You mean dogs and cats are not objectively real? That ought to save me lots in pet food expenses. It's reassuring that I'll go on existing while my body rots. Or maybe not. Major, Shhhh! You'll be giving Jay Cline more strange ideas.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 7:58 pm

    Working backwards: I quote Jack: "where did i ever write that animals are not real ?" I quote myself: "You mean dogs and cats are not objectively real?" I quote Jack: "your propositions never have any referents in objective reality as your two above examples show." I quote myself: "In Logic, a negative proposition is one that states that something is not true. E.g., ‘dogs are not cats’, or ‘Batman is not as powerful as Superman’." 'Nuff said?

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 8:13 pm

    "your consciousness goes out when you die" In your inestimable opinion, Jack, does 'goes out' here mean 'ceases to exist' or maybe something more like 'goes out on a date'? Enquiring minds need to know!

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 8:48 pm

    Thank you kindly, Jack. Aristotle would be so proud!

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 10:22 pm

    You don't give up do you, scorpy. You'd murder commie babies with your bare hands and suck their blood through a straw, for a buck, wouldn't you? Back to the subject, have you seen "The Good Shephard?"

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 10:27 am

    Yeah, scorpy, You only go after me because I'm so stoopid. Yeah. Right. You're a fairly bright guy, but you are obsessively anti-socialist. I have no idea what caused you to adopt such a lop-sided and narrow mental frame, but it does not flatter you. I suspect you are just one of those block-headed Midwestern boyscouts who have attained a certain financial and social standing and consequentially believe the sun shines out of their butts. Allende started a free milk program. Omigod! That right there is reason enough to round up all the lefties in Chile, beat them, imprison them without …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 6:38 pm

    Perhaps, a master baiter? O jeez! I'm sorry. I hate puns. Sometimes one just can't help oneself. Don't forget the imaginary puppet set, the mandelbrot puppet set, or puppet events mapped into hilbert space.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 7:44 pm

    Jack, Don't you mean from inside a sock, puppet?

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 10:36 pm

    Scorpy, If you are so anti-murder then why can't you admit that Pinochet was a murderer? Why try to pin all the blame on Allende? What destroyed the Chilean economy was the bottom falling out of the copper market. Who was in a position to flood the market with copper? Hint: it wasn't Allende.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 11:32 am

    Scorpy, I am glad you have admitted that Pinochet was a murderer, at long last. Can you tell me if commodity prices can be manipulated by intentional over-production? (volatility is short term variability, annual or semi-annual. The steady increases in petroleum prices are long term trends on a decadal scale. You do understand the difference?) There were indeed structural problems that Allende was trying to address prior to the fall of copper prices. Price controls and Keynesian spending were short term emergency measures brought about by the loss of international investment. They were working for about 18 mos. when the shit …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 12:47 pm

    Scorpy, What I find most disingenuous is your insistent obliviousness to the concerted efforts, both overt and covert, of the most powerful nation in the world to de-stabilize the Chilean economy, implying they had no effect at all.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 1:04 pm

    "Who was in a better “position to flood the market with copper”?" Anaconda, Kennecott and ITT had oligopolistic control of international markets and production. Chilean copper producers were limited in who they could sell to and how much they could produce because of Nixon's economic boycott. Duh!

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 2:29 pm

    One thing, scorpy, You and the oligarchic übermenschen whose collective ass you lick, tend to make these broad general arguments that sound reasonable on the surface, but almost always break down into nonsense once one examines the details and sorts through the feints and misdirection. I hope you are smart enough to learn from this, as Chavez is obviously smart enough to learn from the mistakes of Allende, the FSLM, et al. There are many on the left who criticize Chavez for pulling on the tiger's tail, but he has survived one CIA coup attempt (and the consequent economic destabilization and …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 9:39 am

    Sin Comentario

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 11:14 am

    scorpy, You seem to believe that the denunciation of brutalities of one side in an historical conflict in some way leads to a justification of brutalities by the other side. Excuse me if I find this thinking limited, disingenuous and effectively useless. I have no desire to either justify or denounce the excesses of either militant socialism or capitalist exploitation. It is only of importance to me that the brutalities of the past be seen as the result of intractable conflict, not as a platform from which to assign blame. I don't see the world in black/white, either/or terms and it …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 12:37 pm

    One thing I would like to point out as an indice of your intellectual dishonesty, scorpy, is your use of the peak of wholesale crude prices in 1980 to minimize the current rising trend. In fact, the '80 peak was the consequence of the domestic production Hibbert's Peak in 1972 . It was ameliorated for the most part by increased imports and re-direction of electrical production to coal and natural gas. If the lead time of 8 years holds, and I am correct in believing world oil production began to plateau about 2003/4, then the current trending rise of prices will …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 4:01 pm

    Let us not forget George Walker Bush and ~650,000 dead Iraqis.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 4:15 pm

    Suharto, Sukharno, Chiang Kai-shek, King Leopold of Belgium or any of THESE GUYS

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 4:33 pm

    I believe the Kuomintang may hold the world's record for executing approximately 1,000,000 suspected communist prisoners without trial on a single day in 1927.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 5:58 pm

    One might think from your rants, scorpy, that never in the history of the world has a socialist ever uttered a word of criticism against the excesses of the Soviet Union. What I found of particular interest in this essay is the quixotic insouciance with which the capitalist plutocracy will turn on a dime to renounce dictators like Manuel Noriega, Ferdinand Marcos or Saddam Hussein, even Josef Stalin, for whom they erstwhile have displayed their most abject affirmation.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 07 Jan 07
    • 10:51 am

    "Now, come on, lady. You are the one-track complainer about relatively innocuous Pinochet." Come on yourself, dude. You are the one justifying the 'relatively innocuous' Pinochet's actual, real and thoroughly documented murder of thousands of human beings against the maybe coulda been deaths that mighta woulda been the result of Allende's socialist experiment in Chile. "Can you say 'projection defense mechanism'?" Can you say, "I'm beginning to sound like Michael Hardesty?" "And I defy you to give me a single international example where 'diplomacy' or 'dialogue' has ended a major international crisis." Indian Independence? Nelson Mandela negotiating the end of Apartheid …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 07 Jan 07
    • 11:37 am

    "The only question in my mind is why do otherwise intelligent people think that there is any advantage or benefit in socialism, in spite of all evidence to the contrary." The answer to that, my friend, is in your self. You've been skulking on these pages for how many years now, and you are still clueless why intelligent people find a moral and humane purpose in promoting socialist ideals? Or do you just not believe that progressive moral development and humane purpose serves any 'advantage' or 'benefit? You quite obviously do not come here to learn and observe and increase your …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 12:41 am

    Scorpy, I, too, am sorry for the cruel and unnecessary suffering of your family. I am so glad you shared that. It has been a long time in coming. It really makes it clear to me exactly why you hate communism so. Believe me, I get no joy from your suffering. If I were any kind of thief, that is what I would rob. Since I am not, all I can offer, that your heart may heal, is these simple verses: Mind is the forerunner of (all evil) states. Mind is chief; mind-made are they. If one speaks or acts with …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 1:58 am

    Right on, Horse! One little thing, though. It's about the word TOO. Just a pet peeve. I'm not a fan of dangling prepositions, either, but that's a personal hang-up. Not your problem. You can express yourself however you find natural and comfortable. Like Voltaire, I'll fight to the death for your right to do so. Sorry for coming on like the 'grammar police'.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 1:53 pm

    Jack, Allow me please to quote again from what has been attributed to that noted condescending white liberal, Voltaire. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." This extends to you, too, my friend. No matter how much you may abuse the privilege. Rather unfortunately redundant but unfortunately also necessary, I would like to remind you, "Your mind is on vacation, but your mouth is working overtime." --Mose Allison How's the weather on Oahu this morning? Or is it Molokai?

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 2:37 pm

    Jack, I see your memory is functioning OK. If only your reading comprehension, reasoning ability, and sense of proportionality were up to snuff. You could use a humor transplant, too.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 10 Jan 07
    • 11:08 pm

    Scorpy, glad you've recovered from your little emotional outburst. Care to respond to anything I wrote? Or do you intend just to soldier on like Sisyphus? Forever trapped in an infinite loop of fear and loathing.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 10 Jan 07
    • 11:28 pm

    Scorpy....now you have to at least understand that the police are the enforcers of the Capitalist regime....There to protect profit and property first....then the land owners.....possibly you the citizen , second........and then folks such as the Horse...we get KICKS..... Posted by Redhorse on Jan 9, 2007 at 12:21 AM Horse - Unfortunately, sometimes the police are common criminals, but I fail to see how you link this to capitalism. Posted by scorp on Jan 10, 2007 at 8:59 PM Fail to see, or pretend not to see? It's pretty clear to me.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 11 Jan 07
    • 4:01 pm

    Sorry again, scorpy, I was just trying to give you some space to reassert your macho pose. In actual fact, everything you write is an emotional outburst, with the merest pseudo-logical veneer of self-serving rationalization. I wasn't in Mexico protesting anything. I was pulling refugees from CIA sponsored murder out of Guatemala. Again, you misconstrue that I am a socialist. I guess it is true, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. As the joke goes, 'Franco is still dead'. Likewise Pinochet. Che, however, like Jesus, 'lives'. Not because I say so, nothing to do with …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 11 Jan 07
    • 5:07 pm

    No more than you really invented yourself, Jack.

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 11 Jan 07
    • 6:43 pm

    Scorpy, One thing I do agree with you about Stalin, Mao and Castro is the error of assuming complete state control of the economy. The structural and judgmental mistakes they consequentially made were indeed detrimental to the whole of their nations in a way that the diversity of competitive and sufficiently regulated free markets are not. They were themselves the cause of much more death and suffering than the relatively minor, though still significant, ruthlessness with which they carried out their tyrannies in the name of the so-called 'dictatorship of the proletariat'. They and their governments also became as much the …

    Posted to The Spychopath Who Loved Me
    • 28 Dec 06
    • 10:19 pm

    Sorry to tell you, Jack, but the CIA already tried to get rid of Chavez. Oops! He's still there. When Mohandas Ghandi was asked what he thought about Western Civilization, he replied, "I think it's a good idea!" You're not helping much with that, bud.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 1:04 pm

    Jack, Do you have a point? Or is it your intention merely to spew invective and blame on others for the emotional discomfort of your own seething hatred and existential misery? I thought Objectivists were all about taking personal responsibility for their lives. Hard for me to understand how the INA drove the Brits out of India three years after being disbanded, not to mention Bose's untimely demise; but opinions are like assholes, everybody's got at least one.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 1:54 pm

    Saying the CIA could get rid of Chavez if 'they really wanted to' is a bit disingenuous. The fact there was an attempted coup and it had Foggy Bottom, Langley and White House fingerprints all over it, is not mitigated by red herring assertion. It doesn't explain how after 49 years, the US national security state and its Bautista vanguard has failed to dislodge Castro, and now are reduced to waiting like vultures for his natural death, believing, quite without good reason or evidence, that Fidelismo is the only glue holding the government of Cuba together. Your ideologically driven assumptions about …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 2:46 pm

    id suggest you spare others your unsolicited advice on their alleged psychology because it will save you the embarrassment of knowing exactly how much your opinions are valued. United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:42 PM No advise intended, but thank you for taking such a generous personal interest in informing me what little interest you have in my opinion. That's so special! It is easy to find hagiographic sources in just about any discipline that will support one's own point of view. The key to developing critical intelligence is the ability to let go of …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 3:18 pm

    who would read anything by a schmuckler ? United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:59 AM Is this your notion of objectivity? Well reasoned and comprehensive rebuttal? Anything but a dismissive and insulting, hand-waving and thoughtless opinion? I think I hear a flat note coming from the choir.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 4:02 pm

    "he’s stacked the courrts" He's been the democratically elected chief executive of his nation for eight years, 'stacking the courts' with executive appointment is considered quite legitimate in this country, yet it is something sinister in Venezuela? Excuse me if I don't understand. "... he dissolved the prior congress..." Huh? "... he rammed through a constitution that jails people for criticizing him" ...or could concievably even though Chavez hasn't jailed anyone under those provisions. And by 'rammed through', you mean approved by 72% of the electorate in a special election , right? "...he imprisons...opponents When they break the law …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 5:46 pm

    It would be nice if you could link a few sources for your assertions. It you read the article I linked to, which even though on an arguably pro-Chavez site is careful to fairly present opposition claims, you will find that Chavez did not dissolve the legislature, but after the new constitution went into effect a new legislature was elected. This was done with the agreement of the pre-existing Supreme Court, which to my knowledge has never been dissolved by Chavez. I believe the constitution gives that power to the legislative branch, but I don't believe it has ever been acted …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 6:08 pm

    i was funning barky on the name but some humorless oafs on the left never get it. United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 3:45 PM So I see. Making a coarse and witless, juvenile joke at another's expense is your idea of a reasoned rebuttal. But that isn't exactly what I was concerned with. It appears on its face, the phrase, 'who would read...?' suggests you were dismissing the essay without even looking past the author's name. This is why I question your commitment to objective reasoning. I would be delighted to be proven wrong, but …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 6:59 pm

    "we’re not a democracy anyway but a limited republican govt." Well, we may have begun as a limited republican government, but we've evolved into an essentially plutocratically controlled representative democracy. It isn't hopeless to believe that there is room for yet more evolutionary progress. "unfortunately we’ve become an empire since wilson and maybe mckinley before him. certainly from fdr on." Try Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase for our entry into the empire game. "...don’t expect me to defend the bulk of us foreign policy nor will i engage in apologetics for communist tyrants, elected or otherwise, like people like chomsky and …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 7:22 pm

    oh, please ! spare me your pretentious, rather selective lectures. I didn’t say i didn’t or wouldn’t read it, i was relating past experience with this type of mentality. United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:53 PM Still, I'm rather perplexed that you explicitly reject this source and the one I linked to, merely on the basis that they represent a point of view different from yours, yet say you come to your opinions through a fair and unbiased reading of all points of view. I hope you realise how problematic that is? I apologise if …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 9:25 pm

    Yes, I've read the Anti-Chomsky Reader. It is full of distortions, de-contextualized cherry-picked quotes, and misleading arguments. Many outright lies and a consistent tone of intellectual dishonesty. A style perfected by The National Review. Have you actually read Chomsky? Pot/Kettle and psychological projection? I believe you've slipped into The Twilight Zone, bud. Unlike you, I express my opinion as an opinion, not fact. Just the idea that you think I am lecturing you is evidence you're not interested in reasoned debate. I ask simple questions and you respond with ad hominem gobbledegook. Thanks for playing.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 30 Dec 06
    • 7:12 pm

    Right you are, Major! Wordsalad it is. I was trying to avoid 'psychobabble'. So tiresome. You really think Jack is merely Mike's sockpuppet? I think they're just Objectivist clones. Jack doesn't seem as well read, though the depth of their thinking seems equally shallow. Not that I think Micheal Hardesty is above sockpuppets. I ran into THIS character doing his best to re-write history. Sounds a lot like our dear Mike. Some obvious sockpuppetry engaged, amidst numerous temporary blocks over his sometime lack of collegiality. Are you listening, Mike? Do you have an interest in 19th Century Railroad …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 31 Dec 06
    • 10:48 am

    The Michael Hardesty story is pretty sad, really. An object lesson on how unresolved personal trauma and conflict can drag any one of us over to the dark side. I'm all for a little 'psycho-babble'. Probably the best thing Plato ever said was that the unexamined life is not worth living. I like your rhetorical stylings, Redhorse. If I have any advise to give concerning avoiding flame wars, it would be not to bite your tongue, but keep it firmly planted in your cheek. Be cool.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 31 Dec 06
    • 3:39 pm

    Now....was it not Socrates...who made that statement about our duty to know thyself....? United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 31, 2006 at 12:22 PM Of course. It was Plato who attributed it to Socrates. I just couldn't help making a subtle dig at Plato. He attributed so much else to Socrates that Socrates virtually became Plato's sockpuppet.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 5:24 pm

    "the Anti-Chomsky Reader is 50% true..." 50% true is a fair definition of BULLSHIT!

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 01 Jan 07
    • 6:01 pm

    Petroleum is a cyclical industry. The cycle has been prolonged because of unprecedented growth, mainly in China and India. But speculation drove oil to record heights recently, and it has since fallen significantly. The totalitarians do not sheherd their resources, and cannot take a big hit in the price of oil. The hit will probably come as a result of economic imbalances in China. Enjoy. United States Posted by scorp on Dec 31, 2006 at 8:47 PM "Venezuela's Hugo Chávez is a more controversial leader, but his government's economic policies are working. The year 2006 will be the …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 1:14 pm

    Scorpy, The CIA stats are just a little out of date. Nothing surprizing in that. The poverty stats are from 1998, before Chavez took office. Current estimates are in the mid-30's and dropping, based on wage income without consideration of food subsidies, health care, or informal sector growth. You know, them thar socialist programs. Of more interest, extreme poverty has been cut in half. CIA stats for unemployment are for early '05. Sept '06 unemployment was 9.5%, down from 19.2% at the end of the opposition work stoppage inspired recession . You see the trend? Bloomberg gives Central …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 5:29 pm

    "Venezuela, under Chavez, stopped being a legitimate democracy when he rigged the process " You have evidence of vote rigging, Jay-Jay? Or, as usual, just pulling braindead opinion out of your ass? Are the recent gains by reformist Iranian pols in municipal elections just some ruse by the Mullahs? How devious.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 12:11 pm

    Jay-Jay, I know of one moderately intellectual attempt in the press to de-legitimize the Venezuelan electoral process. That was in the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal. . It was thoroughly and utterly debunked because of the authors' profound disregard for the principles of statistical analysis. If the Daily Fishwrap in this country has presented anything remotely as compelling (which, obviously, is not very) then I must confess, I missed it.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 2:13 pm

    Well, Jay-Jay, You were able to find the editorial I referred to all by yourself. Isn't that special. I'm having a hard time finding anything on the web about the hausman rigoman study at all. I originally got one (1) hit on google for 'hausman rigoman venezuela election', an anonymous political talk page. Now I get zero results. Curious. I went to a New York - Caracas based site I know that maintains very thorough documentation, and my browser locked up before it could download. Even after closing and re-booting that browser, it now fails to make an internet connection. I've …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 2:51 pm

    I have been able to track down this interesting BLOG , from someone who cannot in the least be confused as a Chavista, making the penultimate concession speech on the matter:

    Now CEPR - a propagandistic philochavista "think tank" in Washington DC - picks up this argument and uses it as a bludgeon to hammer at the Hausmann and Rigobon paper. Personally, I can't hide my extreme distate for a pseudo-independent outfit like CEPR - which hides an extremist ideological agenda and a clearly partisan stance behind the guise of a properly sanitized DC research center. But one thing …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 03 Jan 07
    • 6:26 pm

    1) I found no article with the quote you site. The article I found was quite the opposite. Try reading before passing judgement. Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 3, 2007 at 4:26 PM Try clicking on the link, amigo. Occasionally you make me laugh so hard, I'm afraid I might damage something, but my mind is still pretty much intact. So sorry.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 10:28 am

    yes, Jay-Jay, Chavez is a power monger. He is purchasing the power of the oligarchs and selling it to the people at a cut rate. HERE is a link to where you can download a pdf of the study. This is very old news. You should just give up before you humiliate yourself any more. There is no evidence of electoral fraud by the CNE because there is no electoral fraud by the CNE, regardless of what you may surmise through your Mr. Magoo eyes. 'Honest debate'! 'Intellectual integrity'! Jay-Jay, you ARE droll. How are you going to …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 10:56 am

    Jay, Did you find the quote I site [sic] or not? I ask because you said you found something quite opposite, and I'm curious. What did you find?

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 4:32 pm

    "Chavez refused to allow The Carter Center to use its own random number program or its own computer." The problem with your assumption that the CNE used a single special initiating seed or set of seeds to predetermine the sample is that it is just not true. From the CEPR report:

    The biggest technical problem with this type of fraud -- aside from rigging the machines without anyone finding out12 -- is to make sure that the sample is chosen from the "clean" polling centers. To do this, the CNE would have to have fooled the Carter Center, OAS, and other …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 5:31 pm

    I should also add these obvious observations: (1) If the audit chose an unrepresentative number of mesas from predominately pro-Chavez precincts, it would be apparent on its face. It didn't and it isn't. (2) If the audit chose only from predominately anti-Chavez mesas where no alleged ballot-stuffing had taken place, omitting precincts where alleged ballot-stuffing had taken place and in numbers representative of such precincts, which it did, then if the H/R assumptions were true, then the audit would have correlated with the H/R assumptions. It didn't. (3) If the audit chose from predominately anti-Chavez precincts where alleged ballot stuffing had …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 04 Jan 07
    • 6:21 pm

    It is difficult to distinguish from the degree of ambiguity in your syntax exactly who and what you are talking about, but I believe this section of the CEPR report addresses your concerns:

    The basic implication of their model, given the assumption, is that if both the exit polls and the signatures differ from the referendum vote in a similar manner then this is the result of fraud. The authors find such a correlation, and interpret this as evidence of fraud. But their result in this section depends on a crucial assumption that is difficult to justify in this situation, given …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 10:46 am

    Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 5:25 AM The very first words in HR's text:

    This study was requested by Sumate who also provided the databases we used.
    Sumate is the group that carried out the spurious exit polling. From the abstract:
    We find that the deviation pattern between precincts, based on the relationship between the signatures from the November 2003 Reafirmazo, and the YES votes on August 15, is positive and significantly correlated with the deviation pattern in the relationship between exit polls and votes. In other words, those precincts in which, according to the number of …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 11:00 am

    Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 8:08 AM Here comes the army of strawmen. I knew you couldn't resist, Jay-Jay. You are so predictable. If my observations are so unscientific and so lacking in logic, then it shouldn't be too hard to show them to be false. Go for it. Here's a hint: The logical form of all three is modus ponens.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 11:39 am

    As far as the 10.5% so-called discrepancy, this is the result of averaging the net from the Sumate poll and the Primera Justicia poll against the audit results with a lot of unnecessarily complicated hocus-pocus and mis-direction thrown into the calculations. The thing one needs to keep in mind is that whenever H/R say 'unaudited precincts' they are refering to the database provided by these exit polls. "There are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies and statistics" Mark Twain

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 3:49 pm

    As far as relying strictly on data from Sumate, if so, and if, by implication the data is faulty, how did you say it, then it shouldn’t be too hard to show them to be false. I wonder why no one has been able to do that? United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 1:01 PM It seems they were polling exclusively in upscale anti-Chazista nieghborhoods. What isn't mentioned in this article, since the author wasn't aware of this, though his report is first-hand evidence, is that the Sumate poll-workers were violating all the …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 4:24 pm

    Yeah Jay-jay, I really enjoyed the Michael Barone article, too. That fool couldn't find his ass with both hands and an experienced guide. Is that what you're looking for? You're welcome. Avoidance doesn't obviate the very real problems with Sumate's polling methods. There is no need to sling mud, they've covered themselves in it quite on their own. Still waiting for some logical refutation of my three observations. You wanted honest, rational debate, right?

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 4:41 pm

    Many of those signers who had the misfortune to be employed by the government subsequently found themselves out of a job. And rightly so! Can you imagine a functioning democracy that allows its employees to speak out against their employer? Viva Chavez! United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 2:33 PM 'Many' is usually construed to be more than the number of fingers on one hand. I believe the class action suit of those who claim to have allegedly lost jobs because of the printing of the petition signers names numbers exactly three (3) claimants. Exactly! …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 5:01 pm

    (yes, yes, I know. But if you have refuted any of the facts as I presented them, please illuminate this poor troll - I dont see it) United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 1:05 PM What facts? You state groundless opinion and cite accusations of fraud that have been widely and rigorously shown not to credible. What more refutation do you need? Can you show me any reason why the oh-so-many-ways flawed Sumate polls should be given more credence than the five (5) other independent polling organizations that confirmed the election results?

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 5:09 pm

    You can start with any of the three. Your choice. United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 3:51 PM (1) If the audit chose an unrepresentative number of mesas from predominately pro-Chavez precincts, it would be apparent on its face. It didnt and it isnt. Refute it.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 5:21 pm

    Is the source data corrupted? Should be easy enough to prove...aside from your infamous illogical innuendoes.... United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 4:07 PM What innuendos? Sumate's malfeasance has been widely and openly revealed with loads of empirical evidence. Sumate themselves have backed away from their own accusation. I daresay Hausmann and Rigobon themselves have retreated on the issue. At least in my reading, they haven't put up any defence against the CPER report. Any! Chirping cricket time. You are betting on the wrong horse, my friend.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 5:45 pm

    Your statistical slip is showing again. I wasnt aware of a class action suit. I was referring to the total population of those fired, not some unrepresentative microsample. Exactly, indeed! United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 3:49 PM This is the total number of government employees that have actually claimed discrimination. If you have some credible evidence of some conjectural total population that was fired for discrimination, yet have, curiously, made no claim of it, it would be interesting to see. But, then again, I know it is a dismal hope that you will ever say …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 05 Jan 07
    • 8:27 pm

    I have repeatedly said that the results of H/Rs statistical analysis are based strictly on publicly available data, namely the signature data and the actual vote and official audit. United States Posted by Jay Cline on Jan 5, 2007 at 6:21 PM You can say that 'till the cows come home, but it won't make it true. H/R admit out front their data for the election results, i.e., 'the actual vote' are from the Sumate exit polls. The signature data is from Sumate, too. The only other data for the election results are the tabulated results from the election or the …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 10:51 pm

    RP, Glad to make you're acquaintance. I dig your handle. Jay Cline is most likely a vigilante troll rather than a government shill. He is very much enamoured with his vastly superior knowledge, logic and reason, quite beyond his apparently adequate training in IT. In other words, quite a crackpot. In that, he is not much different than any other conservative troll, I guess. Although realistically, he is probably more of a libertarian. He self identifies as a progressive, though. I assume as in 'progressive vascular degeneration' or something like. He doesn't like to be pinned down. He apparently doesn't have …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 08 Jan 07
    • 11:51 am

    Omigod! Chavez has taken over the world! His jack-booted thugs have infiltrated the whole of the press and Academia and the State Department . Even the freakin' Wall Street Journal! The Venezuelan political opposition is now just Chavez' sockpuppet. Call a Grand Jury! Quick. Gee, Jay-Jay. It seems so obvious, given your superior genius and all. What are kaunas? Oh, I see you changed it to balls. Love that edit button. See, this is where the fun starts, Jay-Jay. After you have been proven to be full of crap, you compound it by spewing more crap. It makes debating you such …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 08 Jan 07
    • 6:44 pm

    Jay-Jay, We may well be talking past each other here. There are two statistical arguments H/R makes. One is a comparison of Si votes to recall registration and then comparing that to the audited precincts, and one is based on assumptions of voter preference. It appears you are refering to the former. The problem with the first is that the results from the audit would be different from the election, given the assumptions of H/R: "To give an example, suppose that out of the 4,580 automated precincts used in the election, 3,000 precincts were altered but the rest were not. Let …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 08 Jan 07
    • 8:30 pm

    However, one of the most pervasive arguments made against anti-Chavez rhetoric, is that the Venezuelan media is completely controlled by the opposition. Jay Cline on Jan 8, 2007 at 4:02 PM This quite goes beyond hyperbole and distortion to border on an outright lie, Jay-Jay. No one I've ever heard is arguing that the Venezuelan media is completely controlled by the opposition. Only that the corporate and privately owned commercial mass media (TV and radio) is dominated by the opposition. Another strawman up in flames.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 08 Jan 07
    • 10:39 pm

    "The first variable we use is the number of registered voters in each precinct that signed the recall petition in November, 2003.... Therefore, it is very telling that in the precincts where the Penn, Schoen and Berland exit poll makes bigger mistakes is also where the number of petitioners suggests that the Yes votes would be higher." The voter registration statistics were created by Sumate, who, get this, were paid with an NED grant, to organize the petition drive. The Penn, Schoen and Berland exit poll was funded by a NED grant to, get this, finance and train Sumate 'volunteers' to …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 08 Jan 07
    • 11:21 pm

    "You must admit the tone of our dialectic is only undermined by allowing it to be influenced by those engaging in childish behavior around us." --Arpie The totality of my research into trollishness can probability-wise be summarized with the following verse: Dear friends who live under bridges With prim'tive occipetal ridges. Your juvenile jibes And snide snarky vibes Are less than the bites of small midges. I can't say I wrote it with just Jay Cline in mind, but, in spite of himself, his behavior is better even than the last time we chatted. Perhaps that Panda proposal is bearing …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 3:02 am

    Arpie, My sockpuppet crack at Jay was a little inside joke, just between us. I don't think he is pulling the strings on the notorious triad, but it has crossed my mind. I don't know if our Jay-Jay is 'the' Jay Cline, but I sometimes do have strange things happen to my computer when we're going at it. Hmmm? There was a character on here awhile ago, going by the name of Jack Barnes with a lot of sockpuppets before ITT made it more difficult to post under multiple names. He shared a lot of characteristics with this current crop. Gratuitous …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 3:21 am

    David, I took 'recursive prophet' to mean something like, Always just half-way to paradise. So near, yet so far away. Must be all this talk about statistical regressions that got me. I like your take, too.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 11:26 am

    Actually, I wasn't quoting, Jay-Jay. Another indice of your reading comprehension skills. But I will now, since you've again shown yourself to be such a poor reader: "A pure Súmate regression (using Súmate’s Yes, audit, and signature data) does not result in an estimated coefficient on the key variable that is statistically different from zero and thus presents no evidence of fraud under the Hausmann and Rigobon assumptions." P. 131 CCFR "A regression analysis showing that the audited sample behaves slightly differently than the total universe of votes proves to be dependent on the 2003 petition signature data, and that result …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 2:51 pm

    What is your drug of choice, Jack? Are you following in the footsteps of your mentor, Methamphetamine Aynnie? It would explain a lot.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 4:28 pm

    Jack, Don't believe the Brandens. Don't read the Brandens. I never heard of the Brandens until you brought them up. I outgrew Ayn Rand and her circle jerk of sycophants before I was 14. I couldn't care less about any of them. "Sex is my drug of choice." That'll put hair on your palms. (Just kidding, dude.) What explanation for your painfully obvious arrested development do you have?

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 10 Jan 07
    • 2:35 pm

    Jack, Some of us recognise the need for open and on-goingly apperceptive communication between persons with an interest in cultivating and developing an open-ended, evolving and therefore expansive and increasingly comprehensive imagining, remembering and understanding of the world and our place in it. This requires a certain commitment to respect the opinions of others. A commitment to try to imagine and understand those opinions through the lens of those other persons' particularly individualized imagination, reason, and memory. By communicating in an atmosphere of mutual respect, we collectively establish the intent of growing, expanding and evolving beyond conventional delimitations, thereby ensuring our …

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 10 Jan 07
    • 3:00 pm

    Jack, You are exhibiting a knee-jerk reaction to alarmist and one-sided reactions to Chavez' proposals as if they were already in place. You should google 'socialism for the 21st century'. Read and digest various points of view, then come back and explain how it is just a reiteration and regurgitation of what has happened in the past. What will happen in Venezuela? Chavez has put forth a bold program. What powers the people and the legislature and the courts will grant him remain to be seen.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 23 Feb 07
    • 3:11 pm

    Fact conveniently left out of the CNN article: The 17% inflation rate is a vast improvement over the 30-100% inflation during the Perez Administration. Facts in the article conveniently left out by TI: " 'This will give us higher efficiency in payment systems, consolidate confidence in the currency and produce positive psychological effects in people,' Chavez said... He said he hoped to launch the new currency next year..." Chavez... announced the move as part of an anti-inflationary package that included reducing VAT..." Tell us, how is lowering taxes the 'old socialism', TI?

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 26 Feb 07
    • 8:48 pm

    TI, What opinions? Yer reading comprehension is none too good, is it? Chavez is lowering value added taxes (VAT) taking effect March 1. The currency re-valuation is a psychological gambit projected a year into the future with the intent of creating the feeling of confidence in the stability of the Bolivar plus somewhat more insignificant bookkeeping efficiencies. They are two (2) parts of a package aimed at controlling inflation. It is for similar reasons economics is called the 'dismal science' that it is also called the 'happy religion'.

    Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power
    • 06 Jan 07
    • 6:35 pm

    If anyone cares, the patrimony of Sally Hemming's children is of some controversy among historians, although that they are at least related to Jefferson is not much in doubt. I say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, odds are it's a duck.

    Posted to The Caracas Consensus
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 5:22 pm

    So sorry to hear that, David. I got my Super Agent Kremlin KGB X-Ray Specs in 6-48 weeks + $9.98 S&H. They didn't work worth a damn and they were made out of flimsy cardboard and flimsier cellophane. Not to mention they made me look totally dorky. I felt so cheated I turned in my Mom to the FBI.

    Posted to The Caracas Consensus
    • 09 Jan 07
    • 7:30 pm

    Ya see doncha, David? If only you'd gotten that lefty decoder ring, you could make yourself understood to poor Jack.

    Posted to The Caracas Consensus
    • 11 Jan 07
    • 8:22 pm

    Speaking of incomprehensible technological innovations... The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people. -----Karl Marx (Jack, given your taste for scatological humor and identity mysteries [what am I talking about?], you might like entree #3 from this moveable digital feast.)

    Posted to The Caracas Consensus
    • 11 Jan 07
    • 10:49 pm

    David, Yeah, I saw that. Did you read the McSweeney's bit? Am I being just a little too subtle, or did a giant whooshing sound just go by?

    Posted to The Caracas Consensus
    • 16 Dec 06
    • 1:25 am

    What a tempest in a teapot . Without faith we'd never get out of bed in the morning. Without reason we'd likely get run over by a truck as soon as we stepped out the door. "I'm not gonna worry wrinkles in my brow 'Cause nothin's ever gonna be alright nohow No matter how I struggle and strive I'll never get out of this world alive." Hank Williams

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 16 Dec 06
    • 3:36 pm

    Posted by timeforchange on Dec 16, 2006 at 9:54 AM The problem with belief in material realism isn't so much that naturalistic explanations for observable phenomena are false, it is that it is a tautology. It rests on the unprovable (and essentially non-material) assumption that only observable material phenomena are real. The axiomatic tautologies of logic and reason and mathematics themselves have not been shown to depend on material bases to be true, but upon their degree of internal consistency. Other noumenal entities that don't necessarily have such rigorous underpinnings (e.g., irrational beliefs, intuitive hunches, objectless faith, and plain old misunderstanding …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 16 Dec 06
    • 3:59 pm

    A son wouldnt be telling his father he believed in him unless he had good reason to. Dont you think? Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Dec 16, 2006 at 2:08 PM I was thinking that if the father was a hopeless drunk and the son was saying it to encourage his dad to reform... but that's a pretty good reason, too. Even if it is only a matter of extending faith.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 16 Dec 06
    • 8:51 pm

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 16, 2006 at 4:43 PM I don't know about you, but I don't really need fundamental answers to the questions of the nature and meaning, nor a method of classifying the knowledge of 'reality-in-the-abstract' in order to act. Really! As interesting as I find all that stuff, if one makes that the basis of how one lives one's life, one will spend a lot of time either chasing one's own tail or lying in a near-comatose state. Probably both. (I'm tempted to say, 'been there, done that', but I despise that phrase and, anyhow, it's impolite …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 17 Dec 06
    • 5:18 pm

    Posted by barkless1 on Dec 17, 2006 at 12:14 PM Arf! Arf! Please, don't shoot the dog! Just because he has a novel interpretation of Kant that apparently even the foremost linguist in the world can't decipher. There's something in the water down here in Yankistan that gives us the Capacity to Realize All Correct Knowledge and the Perfection Of Truth. We're Special. Of course we're rude.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 17 Dec 06
    • 7:15 pm

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 17, 2006 at 4:35 PM "A theory is only valid to the extent that it correctly describes something in reality. If it doesn’t what good is it ?" If it doesn't answer the question of what is to be done, not much good at all. "How do you evaluate and prioritize the trillion different facts in reality without a theory?" According to theory, the left hemisphere of my fore-brain is hard-wired to do just that quite naturally without my help, thank you. My job is to see that the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere get …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 17 Dec 06
    • 9:19 pm

    O Boy! Story time! Here's one about faith. Hope you enjoy it.

    There is a Buddhist story I once heard about a young prince who was awakened in the night by cries of anguish from people with lanterns rushing about the palace wherein he resided. A servant came to tell him that a tiger had entered the bedroom of the king, his father, and slain him. Without thinking or dressing himself, the prince grabbed his bow and quiver and rushed out into the jungle. Silently stalking between the trees and looking everywhere, he spied in the shadows the movement of the …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 12:06 am

    I think you'll find this appropriate:

    I swallowed some of the Beloved's sweet wine, and now I am ill. My body aches, my fever is high. They called in the Doctor and he said, drink this tea! Ok, time to drink this tea. Take these pills! Ok, time to take these pills. The Doctor said, get rid of the sweet wine of his lips! Ok, time to get rid of the doctor. -- Rumi
    I suspect this one is always appropriate:
    This is a gathering of Lovers. In this gathering there is no high, no low, no smart, no ignorant, no …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 2:41 am

    A very good telling indeed! And a good deed in telling! I've been all up in Bobby Burns' shizzle. Even Mikey oughta like this:

    Is there for honest poverty That hings his head, an a' that? The coward slave, we pass him by - We dare be poor for a that! For a' that, an a' that! Our toils obscure, an a' that, The rank is but the guinea's stamp, The man's the gowd for a' that. What though on hamely fare we dine, Wear hodden grey, an a' that? Gie fools their skills, and knaves their wine …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 12:18 pm

    This morning's "This I Believe" essay on NPR was spot on. This Rohr fella has something important to say. Both to those who are nominally religious who believe they know it all, and those who are positively anti-religious, who also believe they know it all.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 2:04 pm

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 18, 2006 at 11:14 AM "LB, if you believe the physical brain is hardwired to automatically do your thinking for you then how come so many people fail to properly achieve this alleged automatic process ?" It has been shown in many cross-correlated anthropological studies that Kalahari Bushmen, Borneo Tribalists, Amazonian Headhunters and other such 'primitive peoples' who've never heard of Aristotle, are perfectly capable of intuitively discriminating between correctly and incorrectly formulated syllogisms. My theory is, is if you will, that when we learn something of the axioms and postulates of the mechanistic theories of …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 3:23 pm

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 18, 2006 at 12:22 PM I remember a discussion with one moron wherein this pinhead asserted that Aristotle believed in moderation in everything. Everything ? Extreme intelligence was as bad as extreme stupidity ? Extreme integrity was as bad as extreme cheating ? What would a person of moderate character be like ?" Actually, it is Epicurus who is credited with the very rational moral philosophy of 'moderation in everything'. From Diogenes Laertius, "You toil, 0 men, for paltry things and incessantly begin strife and war for gain; but nature's wealth extends to a moderate …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 5:06 pm

    "If you could elaborate a bit more on the postulates and axioms that you think led us astray I’d appreciate. As I understand it there are very few axioms and they are right or they are not axioms. Postulates are a dime a dozen. The thing about systems of logic is that they are tautologies. That is, the axioms that determine the parameters of their applicability are a priori assumed to be true. The truth of that system is the degree to which it is internally consistent, not in the empirically inferred truth of their axioms. Every such system is limited …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 8:41 pm

    Axioms These are just the axioms of the most well established mathematical theories.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 18 Dec 06
    • 9:19 pm

    "I say we start with the fact of existence, existence exists, and go from there rather than the idea that we start with consciousness..." Who says? Do you realize that by constraining (axiomizing) the parameters of your investigation, you limit yourself to conclusions only consistent with your assumptions? You can't eliminate something's existence, just by excluding it from the set of things you say exist. This is the case of looking under the streetlamp for the watch one lost in the alley, because the light is better.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 19 Dec 06
    • 9:39 am

    Posted by barkless1 on Dec 19, 2006 at 3:21 AM You don't miss your water 'til the well runs dry. (paraphrasing Dori paraphrasing Heiddeger) We're all rockin' on this Ship of Fools.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 19 Dec 06
    • 12:40 pm

    No. I mean we don't really understand what faith means until we lose it. Life saving technologies only work for so long. Eventually we all die. Faith gives us room to act and decide in spite of the fact that we are all personally doomed. It is overcoming the fear of death, not an extension of it. It is spiritually naive to think belief in an afterlife is a prerequisite to faith. It is actually a hindrance. Do you really believe we are all doomed to quivering in fear until science offers us a pill to placate our suffering? Heroin already …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 19 Dec 06
    • 2:38 pm

    "Let’s conduct this debate using the framework of basic Aristotelian linear logic." The problem with first order propositional logic is that there are many propositions that it is just incapable of addressing. Among its most important short-comings, particularily in the context of this discussion, is the axiom of separateness. The assumption of 'this is not that'. Not only does it implicitly forbid the understanding that the spiritual nature of existence is it's inter-penetrating, inter-related inter-connectedness, it gives rise to the fallacy of the excluded middle, an unbroachable wedge between 'external objective reality' and subjective experience. This precludes the possibility that we …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 19 Dec 06
    • 6:42 pm

    "Well it takes quite a bit of metaphysical speculation to even begin to reach common ground on What is to be done ?" Not at all. What it takes is a non-judgmental reaching out to others, with respect for their basic dignity and a desire to understand what is of primary mutual importance. That itself is an action that transcends metaphysical tail-chasing. "Assuming that anything is to be done and that we all agree on what that is except that we dont." Let me make a bold assertation here. The world is on fire. The fire is fueled by conflict between …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 19 Dec 06
    • 10:55 pm

    "LB, wait a minute ! Consciousness is not a universal entity in and of itself. It is exclusively possessed by individuals.". Scientifically speaking, you don't know that. Nobody does, scientifically speaking. A lot of people, inside and outside the scientific community, may believe it. Doesn't make it true. "You think it is self-evident what is of primary mutual importance to everyone ??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Not at all. One has to ask everyone what is important to them, with a modicum of sympathy and understanding. Examine your own thoughts and feelings to determine what is really important to you, and lay it on the …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 1:30 am

    If you are referring to people here on this thread I would suspect you are speaking of Luminous Beauty who is fully aware of my feelings on the matter of being respectful. Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Dec 19, 2006 at 10:14 PM Damn! Am I letting my sense of gentle irony, get stampeded into cruel sarcasm again? I try so hard! But sometimes you see someone headed for a fall, and it's just too tempting not to give him a little push. In a helpful direction, one can only hope. I'm sorry if I've given you a hard …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 3:55 pm

    "LB, what are you talking about in regard to consciousness ? Science cant prove a negative, i.e., that consciousness exists apart from individual entities. This would be like trying to prove we exist. Impossible and utterly unnecessary. There is some confusion here. Proving that consciousness exists apart from individual entities would be proving a positive. Proving that conciousness does not exist apart from individual entities would be proving a negative. The predicates 'is' and 'is not' being the key. You are misconstruing what I am saying here. I'm not at all saying that consciousness exists apart from individual entities, but that …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 3:56 pm

    (cont'd.) ?On consciousness and existence it reads like you saying 'To those who understand no explanation is necessary, to those who dont none is possible.' " Well, I have tried to explain, but you seem too fixed in your beliefs to make any effort to really understand what I'm saying by dismissing my explanations with some rather obvious and insulting hand-waving, so I have tried, alternatively, to encourage you to make certain experiments for yourself. "Spare me your psychobabble on drugs and alleged stability. I dont give credence to psychiatry by so-called professionals, why take this mental slop from amateurs ?"

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 6:09 pm

    "Interconnectedness cannot bring into question the notion of separatedness because it is the separate things that are being connected." In the first place, if they are being connected then their separateness is being obviated. They are no longer discrete and separated objects, but connectedin what must necessarily be considered a single system. In the second, I am saying that the causes that bring about the existence of 'separate' things' are inseparable from the things themselves, so they ultimately have no separate natures that can then 'be connected'. Everything in the universe is and always has been connected, by virtue of being …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 6:12 pm

    "What “shit” did you throw at me ? Try just about everything that you wrote for starters!" Calling my ideas shit does not constitute a rational nor logical rebuttal. You really can do better. "Your extreme anti-individualism brought Pol and Mao to mind in terms of their professed philosophy. In the first place, I'm not anti-individual. I do question atomized, separate and discrete theories of the individual, though. I believe in the integrated individual; familiarily, socially, culturally, planetary, and cosmically. Second, if you thought some similarities exist, you should make it clear what those similarities are. Preferably with quotes and sources, …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 7:10 pm

    Mikey, Anyone who tries to argue with a fool is a bigger fool. So, if it makes you feel better, between the two of us, I am the bigger fool. You cannot rebut an argument by mere assertion. Argumentum ad baculum is a step down from argumentum ad hominem. You really are losing it. You know less about logic and reason than my dog. And yes, I left the 'h' out of diarrhea. You win one. Hurray for Mike!

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 7:55 pm

    Posted by null on Dec 20, 2006 at 6:15 PM I wonder what kind of experiments you would suggest? There have been 60 years or so of parapsychology experiments that show psi phenomena have an astronomical likelyhood of being genuine, yet they haven't exactly been welcomed by the scientific world with open arms. What makes you think evidence for all those fanciful mythological beings would? The fact that many people find solace in prayer doesn't rise to the level of supervenience, but if it works for them, why would you want to take it away?

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 8:52 pm

    natural expectation (the sun will rise) Null, but the sun doesn’t rise and fall ... it is we who rise and fall. ( a favourite line of mine) Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Dec 20, 2006 at 7:07 PM I like. Worth repeating. Goes well with this one: Time passes you say. Ah, no! Time stays, We go.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 9:32 pm

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 20, 2006 at 8:03 PM I forgot to add, 'and I don't even have a dog.'

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 20 Dec 06
    • 10:32 pm

    You Can't Prove A Negative?

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 12:58 pm

    "I dont WANT to gain an understanding of the crazed lines from LB." Tell me something that isn't more obvious.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 1:05 pm

    Mike, In the interests of full disclosure, I suppose I should inform you that among the many invalid assumptions you have made is the one concerning my gender. It just goes to show how true that old adage is about what happens when one assumes.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 2:10 pm

    Given: The proposition, 'you cannot prove a negative (proposition)' is true. Given: The proposition 'you cannot prove a negative (proposition)' is a negative proposition; i.e, negative propositions are excluded from the class of things that can be proven. Therefore: You cannot prove the proposition, 'you cannot prove a negative (proposition)' is true. Hope this doesn't make your head spin too badly.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 3:16 pm

    Mikey, It's not like I've been hiding my light under a bushel. see above: Posted by luminous beauty on Dec 20, 2006 at 5:09 PM

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 5:26 pm

    "...it’s hard to make sense out of your wordsalads at times.............. " That's pretty obvious. "What was your area of science major? " Engineering. Howzit going with that syllogism there, sport? (Posted Dec 21, 2006 at 1:10 PM) Come to any conclusions? Mebbe you can dig up ol' Aristotle; ask his opinion? "Well, I’m very disappointed, I was looking forward to giving you a good screwing." Well, unless you give a helluva lot better than you get, I can't say I'm much disappointed at all.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 9:39 pm

    "LB, what syllogism ? That was a wordsalad. You're trying to use reason to discredit reason, the fallacy of the total concept." I thought you wanted to use Aristotelean Logic. That's right out of the rule book As clear and concise as it gets. "What am I supposed to 'get'????????" Ignorance must be bliss, dude.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 21 Dec 06
    • 9:45 pm

    Syllogism

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 2:36 pm

    Mikey, Such sweet sentiments fall languidly from your lips. Reading is one thing. Comprehension is quite another. Though all the world can see in these posts your completely inadequate skill in the methodologies of logic, yet you cling, vanity of vanities, to your insubstantial belief in your superior abilities of reason. It is, perhaps, the inevitable consequence of believing that the world is no more than a collection of separate entities, rattling about like so many pebbles in a tin can, that one should retreat into solipsistic narcissism and gratuitous salacious insult in order to preserve one's sense of self worth. …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 4:01 pm

    Learn to spell 'deficient', pinhead. Do you really believe bragging on the deficiency of your imagination makes you look intelligent????????? According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings — basically parts of oneself — onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals, inanimate objects — even religious constructs — also occurs). The principle of projection is well-established in psychology. To understand the process, imagine an individual (Alice, for example) who feels dislike for another person (let's say Bob), but whose unconscious mind will not …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 4:23 pm

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 22, 2006 at 3:14 PM If we agree that you're a pinhead, asshole.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 4:43 pm

    Posted by barkless1 on Dec 22, 2006 at 3:27 PM Hey! Somebody's been thinking and searching instead of just barking reflexively. The idea's not new, but it would be nice if the 'survival of the fittest' crowd could get up to speed. "No man is an island, entire of itself every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were any man's death diminishes …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 5:17 pm

    Maybe the discovery of Mirror Neurons will allow scientists to 'get a grip' on ideas that religion has only been able to transmit intuitively through layers of mythological meaning for thousands of years. What they'll do with it is anybody's guess. The 'brain in a vat' scenario doesn't sound too appealing to me. To everyone their own, I suppose.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 6:54 pm

    Excuse me, I have to return to my 19th reading of Atlas Shrugged. United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 22, 2006 at 2:05 PM Excuse me! Nineteenth reading, hey? Whew! I didn't realise I was addressing such a full blown Objectivist. I'm so sorry. I s'pose I won't be spoiling it for you by telling you it ends with John Galt and his clones, holing up in Galt Gulch while civilization comes crashing down. Basically standing around like cardboard cut-outs and gloating about what selfish assholes they all are. The subtext, if you haven't figgered it out yet, is "Ayn …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 22 Dec 06
    • 7:53 pm

    Are you in my karass? Vonnegut is always worth a re-read. I just went through "Mother Night" "I want a drink. - I want a drink, To take all the dust and the dirt from my throat. I want a drink. - I want a drink. To wash out the filth that is deep in my guts. I want a drink. THEN LET US DRINK - THEN LET US SMILE. - THEN LET US G0." I'll drink to that! Wassail!

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 23 Dec 06
    • 1:24 pm

    So even if those mirror neurons exist, how hard is it to suggest them away? I cannot feel others pain, I cannot feel others pain. Canada Posted by barkless1 on Dec 22, 2006 at 9:02 PM If history is any judge, then not too hard at all. Your paraphrase of Heiddeger got me thinking of Arendt (they were lovers before the Third Reich started making a mess out of so many people's lives), which led me to this provocative essay connecting Arendt/Eichmann to Sartre/Baudelaire. It ends with this interesting and somewhat ambivalent conclusion:

    Instead of insisting, like others, …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 23 Dec 06
    • 1:41 pm

    To take your premise a little further; how much does our socially justified repression of our own suffering leave us less than sensitive to the suffering of others?

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 24 Dec 06
    • 10:47 pm

    In the darkening evening, three men, a drunkard, an opium addict and a smoker of hashish, approach the gates of the town, only to find them already barred and locked against the encroaching night. The drunkard ran up to the gate and banged it loudly with his arms and fists. He wildly shouted his demands to be admitted. When no one replied, he continued to scream and shout; alternating pleading and threats, then curses and insults. Finally exhausted, he slumped against the unyielding wall, sobbing and wailing and cursing the unfairness of his lot, eventually lapsing into fitful slumber. The opium …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 25 Dec 06
    • 11:09 am

    Mike, It's difficult for me to believe anyone of moderate intelligence could miss the point of Ayn Rand's novels. Subtlety was not her strong suit. Truly the one ton gorilla of didactic fiction, wielding an eleven pound sledge of opaque prose. Buying her crap is another story. Sorry. As for Bob Heinlein being a Bircher, you are sadly misinformed (nothing surprizing about that, is there?). He began his public carreer as a campaign worker for Upton Sinclair's Democratic Socialist bid for the California governorship. He was a life-long left-libertarian with a penchant for marrying Hollywood lefty activists. One …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 26 Dec 06
    • 1:33 pm

    "I dont agree at all with your analysis of Rand and why would you think Id be in the slightest impressed by your comments on her great work?" I suffer no delusions in that regard. If it comforts you to believe the sun shines out of Ayn Rand's ass, more power to you. It's a free country, still, somewhat. I do think the persuasive power of your presentation is telling in terms of the strengths of that pseudo-philosophical pile of tripe that is 'Objectivism'. That you lack the objectivity to comprehend the irony of your own lack of irony is irony …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 26 Dec 06
    • 4:14 pm

    Names? What names? I named thee no names!

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 26 Dec 06
    • 5:06 pm

    Better go back and look at all your postings, LB. You resorted to the ad hominem fallacy on several occasions. Anyway, lets move on. United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 3:44 PM I was refering specifically to your response to my post of 26, 2006 at 12:33 PM, pinhead. It would be a fallacy more if you didn't insist so on demonstrating it as a self-evident truth. But, go on!

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 26 Dec 06
    • 11:35 pm

    "As innately human endeavors, religion and science are therefore as unreasonable, noble, immoral, kind, tyrannical, odious, compassionatein other words, irredeemably humanas the people who literally embody them... Taken together, they express our need to both submit and to control, to know and to believe, to be in the visible world and to transcend it. That the vast majority of us would find it difficult to choose between the two should be hardly surprising. The antidote to fanaticism is not a new puritanism of reason, but the contradictory, ambiguous, compromised reality of ordinary human experience." Please help me to understand how 'puritanism …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 27 Dec 06
    • 9:32 am

    It's not just that Dawkins is unreasonable in his approach to promoting reason. He is irrational in making literal interpretation and superficial understanding his criteria for judging the entirety of a vast and complex subject for which science has a very soft and inconclusive portfolio, of which he, as a scientist, is manifestly inexpert. It's interesting you should connect Chaudry's disjointed examples of the ambiguity of human experience to create an unambiguous set of magical associations. How very religious of you.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 27 Dec 06
    • 12:19 pm

    Speaking for myself, and a handful of truly nerdy compatriots, I enjoy math because of the challenging, mind-bending, puzzle-solving aspect of it. The reality transcending character of pure abstraction is also the source of some on-going fascination. Even practical application is often a fundamentally mysterious subject. How many ways are there to skin Schrdinger's cat? You really don't want to get me started on my own area of interest in the complexities and ambiguities of modeling single-track steering and stability. Certainly not because of the spirited and inspirational presentation by most of my teachers. My understanding of the motivations of most …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 27 Dec 06
    • 12:37 pm

    Which brings to mind the old joke about how prayer can never be eliminated from the classroom as long as these three words remain a part of the educational lexicon; "Pop Math Quiz".

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 28 Dec 06
    • 12:33 pm

    "The learning is the knowledge." Well, I, too, could fuss and fume and say that is 'nonsense', but, of course, it isn't. It's just a particularly and peculiarly constrained point of view. To borrow from McLuhan's description of conservatism, it's like sitting in a maglev train looking backward while riding into the dawn. I would put it like this; it's only when we recognize the unfathomable depths of our ignorance that learning is possible. It is this oddly paradoxical fact, when one strips away the detritus of dialectical argument, that leaves spirituality and science ultimately standing on the same ground as …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 28 Dec 06
    • 9:15 pm

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 5:41 PM I liked 'first of a dying breed'. Funny! He who dies with the most toys, wins! Eh? Seems kinda pointless to me, but if that's what floats your boat...

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 29 Dec 06
    • 10:16 pm

    Jack, I never said there was anything wrong with making money. I merely expressed the opinion that as a raison d'etre it is a bit shallow and pointless. You are entitled to your own opinion, of course. It is a bit of a red herring to assert the central question of this discussion is about Dawkin's atheism.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 02 Jan 07
    • 7:39 pm

    You really want to continue this discussion, Mikey... er... ah... I mean Jack? Show me one of my non-sequitors. I dare ya. Huh... huh... huh? Show me your stuff, big boy. You are half-right about the review having a theme associated with Dawkin's atheism, but you really are missing the central point. "Dawkins fondness for sweeping generalizations reflects his own deep-seated fundamentalism, a virulent form of atheism that mirrors the polarized worldview of the religious extremists it claims to oppose." Does that help? If not, you might try to get a scrip for thorazine.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 11 Jan 07
    • 1:54 pm

    "everybody is neutral or not. Where is 'here' exactly, barky? I can't help but wish you were a little more explicit and a little less cryptic, but I must admit you create a few sparks. And that's a good thing. Neutrality implies a certain disinterested ambivalence, don't you think? A ground very difficult to gain traction upon when considering the question of life's essential meaning. I think? The great wonder of poetry is instead its ambiguity. The cosmic universals we, from the finite particulars of our own being and experience, read into the finite particulars of the personae and circumstance of …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 12 Jan 07
    • 9:09 pm

    Arpie, Tierra = Terra = Gaia = Goddess Removing the God meme from human consciousness means a radical lobotomy. Like removing consciousness. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy" ----Tom Waits I'm all for ending superstition, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 13 Jan 07
    • 12:52 pm

    Great post, Arpie! I remember that Asimov story. I'm reminded of H. Ellison's I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (for my money, the scariest SF story, evah). Also, about everything that Borges wrote. Trout's (Vonnegut's) treatment was, of course, a bit of a refinement of Cliff Simak's To Serve Man. Also scary, but funny, too. Is it our genes that make us want to sit around the campfire and tell scary stories? Or is it our ambiguous nurture in nature? Then there is Trout's (P. J. Farmer?) only novel ever printed, "Venus On The Half Shell" wherein is repeatedly …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 13 Jan 07
    • 1:27 pm

    Arpie, On a side note concerning your interest in role-playing, have you ever run across this site ? I think we all occasionally exhibit some, if not all, of the characteristics of these various personae. I re-read them from time to time just to remind myself that, like Twain, 'I'm God's own fool'. Not that I consider myself fit to shine Twain's shoes, much less wear them.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 13 Jan 07
    • 5:16 pm

    Arpie, There are correct 'answers' to koans, it's just that they are essentially personal and highly individualized. Still, there are a lot more wrong answers, obviously. I think on reflection, you will agree. I mean, having your fore-finger whacked off won't cause you to be enlightened, will it? I was being ironic, sort of. I think science is the proper venue for things observable, measurable and testable, but I believe Dawkins' wild charge against the immeasurable undefinable infinitude of 'that which surpasseth all understanding' is pretty silly. Not that I believe that religious study is not approachable by science. I just …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 13 Jan 07
    • 5:27 pm

    Desmond Morris , Dave.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 13 Jan 07
    • 6:27 pm

    To expand a little further; we may have a reasonable belief that the sun will rise in the morning, but it is faith that gets us out of bed. Even if we know we will be hanged at daybreak. I do believe we may be beginning to overthink this. I know that quote... Snyder? [Brrrrrrrt! Wrong! T. Wolfe the elder.] 'I thought I'd warn ya', the hills of Altamont are most usually yellow not blue. [I just figured this out. No, never been in N. Carolina.]

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 16 Jan 07
    • 4:31 pm

    Right at this moment, the Coast Range is green as it gets. Get out of the flatlands occasionally, Mikey. A little taste of nature does wonders for one's attitude. I'm wounded, Arpie. One would hope one would expect one to create sockpuppets with a tad more panache than our not-so-dazzling duo. As you have probably figured out, I, too, am a resident of Cali. Just this last season driven by the ever more recessionary forces of the economy to relocate from the relatively open, scenic and rural locale of Redding back to the sprawl culture of Modesto (yuck). It sounds like …

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 16 Jan 07
    • 4:41 pm

    The tone deafness which you appear to have to the subtlies of irony never ceases to amaze, Mikey.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 16 Jan 07
    • 11:18 pm

    Mr. Manganese. The exception proving the rule about brevity being the soul of wit by being just one proton shy.

    Posted to The Godless Fundamentalist
    • 28 Nov 06
    • 3:28 pm

    EWRC, I understand your Hobbesian fear of the mob. All the dangers of popular movement politics that you mention have obviously in many historical times and places been led to cruel destructiveness and empirical negation of their intrinsic idealism by being co-opted either by those with megalomanic ambition or by cynical forces within the status quo. But I think you are being rather one-sidedly negative in your assessment. Popular movements have also been instrumental in bringing about lasting progressive change in societies where the 'Movement' has long since withered away. Things like the establishment of representative democratic government in the first …

    Posted to Embracing Populism
    • 24 Oct 06
    • 2:03 pm

    Loved your little bit of verse Dave. Here's some more for our little troll, Jay-Jay. He is a troll, David, in spite of your generousity and no matter how sincere he may be in his beliefs, since his method is not to illuminate or facilitate discussion, but to obscure and divert from developing understanding from the subject at hand (which I understand is how neo-cons distort and misuse language to corrupt and mislead people by manipulation of their common sense perceptions - an apt description of his method, don't you think?) Any strawman or red herring in a storm. Jane Doe, …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 26 Oct 06
    • 1:29 pm

    I think we have established that the term 'Islamofascist' has no descriptive clarity and a very weak if any rational foundation and is a term of propaganda, used merely for its affective and largely unconscious powers of association. This is the prime method of neo-con propaganda and the method widely used, if only unconsciously absorbed by the entire modern Conservative Movement. The recipe has been put forward quite explicitly by the work of Sleepy Sam Hayakawa, though somewhat obscured by the ponderousness of his scholastic language, in the tome "Semantics". By the by, Sleepy used the decades of data accrued from …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 30 Oct 06
    • 1:47 pm

    Jay-Jay, Yes, I wear American flag underwear just so soul-sucking ueber-patriots like yourself can kiss my red, white and blue ass. Scorpy, Maybe my comments only seem to you to reflect 'leftist rhetoric' because you are so blatantly and transparently a running dog lackey of the esqualido capitalist pig oligarchy. I really wish you two could relinquish your unrelenting oppositional posturing and begin a proper dialog rather than continue with the pointless and unyielding dogmatic and ideological dialectical positions you have embraced. If we could just put our heads together and work things out we could attain to the Perfection of …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 31 Oct 06
    • 2:33 pm

    Troll Song for Jay-Jay and Scorpy:

    My friends who live under bridges With prim'tive occipetal ridges, Your juvenile jibes And snide snarky vibes Are less than the bites of small midges.
    From long and painful experience, I have come to what I confess is merely an inferential and unprovable inductive belief that great intelligence is burdened by the geometrically increased opportunity to make more and more grievious boneheaded mistakes. Judging by this admittedly unreliable dictum, Jay-Jay, you and Scorpy are very intelligent indeed. As flattering as is your assumption of my computer skills (perhaps you could tell me how to make …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 02 Nov 06
    • 2:43 pm

    Jay-Jay; Are you Tommo ? .

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 03 Nov 06
    • 1:36 pm

    Who is Jay Cline? We've been having these little chats for years now and you remain little more than a cipher. Even your website (last time I looked) is full of pompous opinionation and lacking in much genuine human detail. You know most of us (if you've been paying attention) in considerable biographical detail. Why do you hold your cards so close to your chest? What is it that you think you have to protect?

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 04 Nov 06
    • 2:14 pm

    Jay-Jay, Don't want your home address, don't want your e-mail, don't care if J. Cline is your real name or a nom de guerre. Some occasional anecdotal and personal stories that connect with your inner human being might make you seem a bit more like a real person, that's all. As I understand it, the gist of your argument is, "I'm like rubber, you're like glue. Everything you say, bounces off me and sticks onto you". A sad descent from the mere sophmoric to the regressively juvenile. Pathetic if not pathological. Your attempts to be clever are still amusing, though. They …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 05 Nov 06
    • 5:28 pm

    Jay-Jay, your query was such,

    so, to what end, really? or is this just one more example of your typical disingenuity? do you really care who I am? do you really need my home address? what is yours?
    I answered thusly,
    Dont want your home address, dont want your e-mail, dont care if J. Cline is your real name or a nom de guerre. Some occasional anecdotal and personal stories that connect with your inner human being might make you seem a bit more like a real person, thats all.
    If you are interested in rational conversation, I would like to …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 07 Nov 06
    • 2:01 pm

    jay-jay writes,

    You could start by taking issue with my last response to meta.
    After I had written,
    Likewise, when I say you are being disingenuous, I show some reasons why I come to that conclusion. Among those reasons are gross over-simplification, and broad generalization, evidenced by your response above to metaxy99, where she makes a genuinely good case for the complex of factors influencing political, social, cultural and religious sensibilities underlying the difficult situation in the Middle East, and instead of replying to any of the points she makes, make the improbable and reductionist assertion that the only thing we …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 08 Nov 06
    • 2:36 pm

    Jay-Jay, Perhaps you would be so kind to answer these simple questions. Does adopting the language of religion and assuming the mantle of religious authority necessarily mean that one has absorbed the spiritual essence of religious faith? Is being a Muslim or a Christian really so simple as declaring oneself so? Did not Jesus implore his followers to judge others not by their words but by their deeds? Indeed, I am entitled merely as a human being and of necessity by being a seeker of what is true and genuine to bring my intelligence and discriminating insight to bear in making …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 09 Nov 06
    • 6:15 pm

    dude, Your obvious BS aside, if a man proclaims his faith, why would I not accept his statement of belief at face value? If he is using the declaration of faith towards venal and morally destructive ends. What obvious BS are you talking about? With regard to judging by actions, which benevolent actions of those we fight would you care to discuss? How are equity, benevolence and graciousness related to each other in three stages? This verse sets forth three graduations of doing good. The first is the doing of good in return for good. This is the …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 10 Nov 06
    • 2:11 pm

    Jay=Jay, You make a good argument that not many religious aspirants achieve the ideals of their faith. However, if a persons actions are explicit violations of those ideals, then the commitment of their aspiration is reasonably to be questioned. This is the sine qua non of hypocrisy, is it not? Not to mention, dare I say it, disingenuousness. It is to the credit of moderate moslems that they seek to embrace and encourage the return to reason of their prodigal brethren rather than anathemize them, thereby only creating emnity and dissention. It is not at all a reflection of those who …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 12 Nov 06
    • 7:50 pm

    Jay-Jay, "The heart has its reasons of which reason knows not." Blaise Pascal A man who knew something about the limits of reason. Concerning having an appreciation of sophistry; "Realizing the basic absurdity of the human condition is the true beginning of reason." Albert Camus Likewise.

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 14 Nov 06
    • 4:29 pm

    <,blockquote>But it is legalistic nonsense to argue that, as they fight in the name of their god, as they perceive it, to say that they are not acting in the name of their god merely because they are hypocrites. Logic rules the head, not the heart. Yet matters of the heart are not trivial. I don't know about the 'legalistic' aspect of such an argument, but yes it is a nonsense argument. And I would admit as much if that was in fact the argument I was making. Once again you employ the strawman to put arguments in the mouths of …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 15 Nov 06
    • 5:40 pm

    Again, you assume ecclesiastic authority over those who identify themselves (and are identified by those who are) Islamic.
    No I don't. Again, a strawman argument. I am just an observer of a phenomenon, making a simple distinction between those who adopt a label as an identity and those who actively strive to make a spiritual path, any spiritual path, a reality in their lives. Perhaps this line of Garrison Kiellor's may illuminate; "Believing that sitting in church will make one a Christian is the same as believing sitting in a garage will make one into a car." It may be true …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 16 Nov 06
    • 4:41 pm

    Jay-Jay, It appears that you wish once again to retreat from the field of battle with a shred of your tattered dignity intact. So be it. Part of me understood your post of 11/14 to have the flavor of another swan's song, albeit without the whiny self-pitying tone of that earlier famous bit, and to your credit ended with that delicate touch of self-effacement. To my own shame, I failed to respect that, and couldn't help but throw that last twist of unintentional irony in your words back in your face. I'm sure David is proud of you, but allow me …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 17 Nov 06
    • 3:14 pm

    Jay-Jay, It is not my wish to play king of anything. My wishes are what they are, not what you, with your unbridled tendency to produce strawmen, percieve them to be. Why is it so hard for you to recognise such a simple and glaring error in your thinking? It is only human to make mistakes, but I daresay you abuse the priviledge. A mere suggestion, as I have no time to look up sources, is that what drove the Fascist economies, besides a State command structure that favored capital expansion of the existing major corporations, often at the expense of …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 18 Nov 06
    • 4:29 pm

    Long live Canuckistan! A professional philosopher friend once told me that Hobbes goes down much easier if you assume he is speaking in the ironic voice of Jonathan Swift. 'Tis true! So horribly, terribly true.

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 20 Nov 06
    • 3:21 pm

    Posted by Jay Cline on Nov 20, 2006 at 7:59 AM My dear Jay-Jay; Are you saying that I am consistently throwing up strawman arguments? I would appreciate at least one example with some sensible explication of why it is so. I am always open to genuine and constructive criticism. If it can be shown that I am in error, it is helpful in order that corrections can be made. It would appear that your 'momentary' lapse has persisted for years now. Permit me to add that the strawman fallacy isn't the only rhetorical diversion you commit, but it does seem …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 24 Nov 06
    • 2:21 pm

    Jay-Jay, If that is a 'capitulation' on your part, then it is respectfully accepted. For the record, I do not take 'perverse pleasure in seeing others (you) twisting in the wind'. When someone (you) persists in presenting absurd and irrational pseudo-arguments, I do feel a responsibility to point out the errors in their (your) reasoning. This is not for my benefit so much as for theirs (yours). I know the idea that anyone, much less myself, upon whom you have obviously imprinted and invested your deepest feelings of emnity and irreconciliable conflict may have a genuinely generous and altruistic motive is …

    Posted to The Neocons Lexicon
    • 13 May 06
    • 11:03 am

    One thing I find re-invigorating is the sort of opposition that people like tiny one and Hyjinx22 are so generous is supplying. I don't think tiny one is at all aware of how her childish mocking tone is a spur for one to re-assert one's progressive values, or that Hyjinx can recognise how his self-interested optimism serves as a goad to re-awaken the motivations of human sympathy and solidarity that are the under-girding of the democratic spirit, but I for one am sincerely grateful that they feel the need to salt these discussions with their opinions. Otherwise, we would undoubtedly regress …

    Posted to What Ails Us?
    • 06 May 06
    • 12:44 pm

    scorp, One strain of historiography I think you are missing in your endeavor to paint the Democratic Party as the exclusive villian for all the ills of the recent past is that Johnson's War on Poverty as it was originally envisioned was decimated by Nixon's only partial administration of it. All those demeaning and disempowering welfare programs, such as food stamps, Sec. 8 housing and so on, that you allude to were fully extended by Nixon because they served as subsidies to his Republican base. Those that sought to help lift the poor, such as job training, community action centers, Head …

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 06 May 06
    • 1:54 pm

    MM, It may very well be impossible, particularly for ideologically frozen minds like tiny one's. I think only highly unlikely, though. With enough patience and by planting enough seeds, even the smallest likelihood will come to eventual fruition. Encouragement is always encouraging, however, even if only for the practise. I've been getting back to Bohm's ideas of dialogue and consensus building lately, of which Baraka's posts are refreshingly fulsome. It's more fun and more challenging and more imaginative than merely butting heads.

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 06 May 06
    • 10:16 pm

    MM, "I am neither a pessimist nor an optimist, weighing the evidence more or less as it comes. Thus I do not see the glass as half full or half empty, but rather twice the required size." My aim isn't for conversion, so much as conversation. To some degree, conflict and competing ideas are necessary to focus, clarify and distill one's own thinking. After all, if everything was just peachy-keen all the time, life would be just too tedious to bear. There would be no art, no humor, no human progress if there were no obstacles to be …

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 06 May 06
    • 10:42 pm

    scorpy, "That would be as in thesis-antithesis-synthesis, Im sure." That would be the original thinking of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel , not Karl Marx. More evidence that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I have as much of a distrust in the one's Idealist Dialectics as the other's Materialist Dialectics, but still respect them for their intelligence and what worthwhile ideas they both engendered. Why don't you read up on David Bohm and Dialogue and get up to speed? Just how educated do you think I am, any way?

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 06 May 06
    • 10:45 pm

    "After all, the dreaded Donald Rumsfeld was head of OEO during part of the Nixon Administration." Need I say more?

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 07 May 06
    • 12:38 am

    scorpy, If you'd actually read Hegel, not to mention Kant, Marx, Schopenhauer, Nietzche, et al., or even Francis Fukuyama. You might have a clue how hilariously ignorant your cut-and-paste critique is. I read '"Bicameral Mind" years ago. Somewhat interesting from a phenomenological perspective. Jaynes influence has deservedly faded since, primarily due to advances in neurophysics. A real flash in the pan, but the speculative basis for some good creepy SF novels. A much better popular book on consciousness is "Zen and the Brain" by James H. Austin

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 07 May 06
    • 11:17 am

    ...the real solution to the black male crisis is, in fact, the elimination of white male dominance, of racism and sexism. Now that is an optimistic program. I've got an image of Donald Rumsfeld standing at the podium in the DoD press room, wearing a dress and make-up, singing "Ole Man River", while accompanying himself on the banjo. Still, it's painfully true. Look at what has happened to Cynthia McKinney for the littlest show of 'uppitiness'. Could Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan be more caricaturized?

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 07 May 06
    • 1:11 pm

    SayHey, Baraka, I chanced upon this recent essay by Joe Bageant , one of those rare self-reflective white crackers who have managed to transcend the narrow confines of their cultural surround. Just felt I had to share. It supplies a certain context in light of scorpy's middle-management clone-like obsession with 'free' market capitalist mythology, and his big fish in a small tank projection. "Revenge Of The Mutt People" is also relevant to the issue at hand. I'm hearing Dylan's "Only A Pawn In Their Game" playing in my mind.

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 07 May 06
    • 1:40 pm

    So, enjoy your philosophy, but do not screw with me. I do not have to put up with it, and I will not put up with it. But scorpy, screwing with you is so much fun. I really don't see what you can do about it except maybe walk away.

    What profit hath a man for all his labors in which he toils under the sun. One generation passes away and another generation comes, but the earth abides forever.
    The sun also rises. Viva Chavez!

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 07 May 06
    • 3:16 pm

    Please tell me, scorpy, What does the horizon look like there in Flatland?

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 07 May 06
    • 6:45 pm

    scorpy, Every time I think you have reached the nadir of ignorance, you find an even lower level into which to sink. I don't believe in utopias, socialist or otherwise, just making the best of a bad situation. I only drink free beer. You'd be surprized how often that happens when one is just being open and friendly. Is there anything else about me of which you'd like to make an unfounded assumption? Feel free to consider yourself a winner. No one else will.

    Posted to Black Men: The Crisis Continues
    • 24 Apr 06
    • 9:53 am

    WTH, One one hand, I admire your attempts to be moderate and even-handed. Trying to see both sides of a question is a necessary component of intellectual honesty. On the other hand when one applies a middle of the road approach to trying to understand the views of two parties, and one party is honestly attempting to discern what is true and the other party is consciously attempting to obfuscate the truth with distortions and lies, then one is not doing any service to the truth. It is in situations like this that one must take stock of one's loyalties and …

    Posted to Congenital Liars and Hypocrites
    • 27 Apr 06
    • 11:20 am

    johnny, Take a deep breath and calm down. Like assholes, we all have opinions. For all of us, our opinions are based on a limited collection of facts, unexamined as well as rational beliefs and affective loyalties. It isn't necessary for everyone to have perfect agreement in order to arrive at consensus, but rather to have a reasonable willingness to change one's opinion in the light of new facts, openness to the awareness of the reasons that underlie the beliefs of others, and respect for one's opponent's feelings of connectivity. It is somewhat personally cathartic to pound out ad homines, but …

    Posted to The Ultimate Fighting Anarchist
    • 27 Apr 06
    • 3:53 pm

    Johnny, I understand the frustration you feel about the wing-nut trolls trying to disrupt and side-track discussion in nominatively leftist 'houses', as you put it. However, I rather see flaming on them as giving them the idea that they are justified in believing leftists are all emotion and no reason. It is fundamental to the juvenile nature of internet trolls that eliciting an angy response is for them a sign of success. My own strategy is to take whatever limited ideas they present as a starting point to demonstrate the semi-rational and over-simplified ideological philosophies they embrace. On one hand, it …

    Posted to The Ultimate Fighting Anarchist
    • 29 Apr 06
    • 4:41 pm

    FreeDem, From the brief description in your link, it seems to me that 'progressive libertarianism' might be a variation on democratic socialism, the kind of reform socialism advocated by James Weinstein, the founder of 'In These Times'. I've sometimes heard it defined as 'anarchism light'. Anarchists often have identified themselves under the rubric of 'libertarian socialist', which is much the same thing. Indeed, the beginning sentence,

    Every single person wants control over their own life. However to accomplish most things in life, people have to work together. How they decide what and how is the definition of politics.
    is a fair …

    Posted to The Ultimate Fighting Anarchist
    • 29 Apr 06
    • 6:43 pm

    Theo, I googled your name and read a couple of essays at "Dissident Voice". It appears you have an interest in science fiction, a passion of mine since I learned to read. LeGuin's "The Dispossesed" is a great read. Other SF books with anarchist leanings I'd recommend are "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" by Bob Heinlein which is also early speculation about AI, Kim Stanley Robinson's detailed and realistic "Mars" trilogy and the classic "The Stars My Destination" by Alfred Bester, patterned on Dumas' "The Count of Monte Cristo". And thanks for the new word in my vocabulary, 'chrematistic'. I …

    Posted to The Ultimate Fighting Anarchist
    • 20 Apr 06
    • 10:28 pm

    pragmatism 1. The compromising of one's ideals to better deal with the specifics of a situation. 2. The pursuit of practicality over aesthetic qualities; utilitarianism. 3. A philosophic school linking the meaning of beliefs to the actions of a believer, and the truth of beliefs to success of those actions in securing a believer's goals. The first of these meanings leads to the corruption of principled beliefs, obviously. As for the second, I personally find it ultimately unsatisfactory. As Emma Goldman has been so famously paraphrased, "If I can't dance I don't want to be a part of your revolution." The …

    Posted to A Sit-Down with Studs
    • 10 Apr 06
    • 11:25 am

    Alan, No, the donks as you call them, are going to skate to majority status on 'good governance'. Having viable positions on issues people are concerned about, will just serve as a stake through the black hearts of the 'phants. As in sycophants, ditto-heads, dead-ender Bushites. Whatever you want to call them.

    Posted to A Primary Concern
    • 10 Apr 06
    • 10:25 pm

    WTH, Considering illegals cannot file for returns, they pay all their withholding, number of kids means squat. About four grand or so. Not much to you, maybe. Plus FICA, sales tax, whatever portion of their rent goes to property taxes. It adds up.

    Posted to A Primary Concern
    • 13 Apr 06
    • 9:25 am

    WTH, I think philboo is right. George I signed the international agreement. It wasn't ratified by the Senate until the Clinton Administration. So you're right, too.

    Posted to A Primary Concern
    • 13 Apr 06
    • 12:09 pm

    Jay-Jay, So the Japanese-Americans were denied multi-billion dollar contracts to run our ports? I hadn't heard that. I love it when you make silly analogies.

    Posted to A Primary Concern
    • 18 Apr 06
    • 1:40 pm

    karennj, Could you post a reference for your claim of Mex./US tariff ratios being 2.5/1? The most recent report I could find (1998) gives a 4/1 ratio, and as the following quote shows, relying on that statistic exclusively is a distortion of fact:

    Moreover, as overall duties on U.S./Mexican trade have dropped, this has lowered the average tariff each country applies to goods from the other country. Thus, the average Mexican tariff on U.S. products dropped to less than 2 percent (1.68 percent) in 1998, down from 10 percent in 1993. The average U.S. tariff on Mexican goods, which, at 4 …

    Posted to A Primary Concern
    • 18 Apr 06
    • 1:43 pm

    HERE is the reference to the above quote.

    Posted to A Primary Concern
    • 05 Apr 06
    • 8:40 pm

    november, The comments section here has a tendency of breaking url's when they cross over lines. It helps to use tinyurl to shorten long url's. You can create links uising the < a href="url"> LINK mark-up. (without the space between the a's and <>'s) Here is your Broken Record link. If you get follow ups you can see the HTML in your e-mail. (At least this is true for Yahoo e-mail.)

    Posted to Lou Dobbs, Now More Than Ever
    • 11 Apr 06
    • 12:42 am

    Yeah rocco, Compared with the rest of the pack, Dobbs is almost Cronkite-like. I'd like to replace the McLaughlin Group with like, maybe, the tele-tubbies. Or just have the tele-tubbies surround Charles Krautheimer and just stand there until he starts screaming incoherently. I don't think it would take long.

    Posted to Lou Dobbs, Now More Than Ever
    • 11 Apr 06
    • 9:41 am

    This is the image that got me thinking of Tele-tubbies and Krauthammer. Disturbing, but funny.

    Posted to Lou Dobbs, Now More Than Ever
    • 11 Apr 06
    • 3:00 pm

    WTH, How do you know those kids aren't volunteers?

    Posted to Lou Dobbs, Now More Than Ever
    • 11 Apr 06
    • 8:39 pm

    Bummer, dude. Some perverted part of me wants one of those T-shirts.

    Posted to Lou Dobbs, Now More Than Ever
    • 12 Apr 06
    • 9:02 am

    WTH, You're making a lot of assumptions about that Iraqi kid. Islamic fundamentalism is a very recent phenomenon among Iraqi Sunnis, if it is really religious fundamentalism at all and not just a militant reaction to the US invasion. Until we started mucking with Iraq, it was the most secular state in the Arabic world. Don't believe 90% of what you hear about Islamic fundamentalism. The Salafis, who mostly live in the Arabian Peninsula, are a small percentage of Wahabism, which is more traditionalist than fundamentalist. The Iranian Shia are a whole different story. The point is that Muslims, particularly in …

    Posted to Lou Dobbs, Now More Than Ever
    • 02 Apr 06
    • 12:47 pm

    Hola, amigos; I've been lurking in on this conversation when the occasion permits, and I must say I'm impressed by the reasonableness displayed. Bang up job of facilitating the dialog, rocco. I really like your three point plan. A nice anchor to speculative ideation. One thing I've only seen peripherally addressed in respect to what effect US policy and politicking has on Mexico (and all of Latin America) is what the current hullabaloo in Congress will have in the upcoming Mexican elections. It seems, barring unforeseeable events, Obrador is headed to victory in the presidential race, but it remains uncertain how …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 02 Apr 06
    • 3:52 pm

    WTH, Dual citizenship is within the legal guidelines. These are people who have worked hard and struggled much to up-lift themselves. I totally agree about minimumum wage plus, but as long as the undocumented remain in the shadows of the law, many are prone to be exploited in sweat-shops and under-the-table day labor. As is happening in the wake of Katrina, often being stiffed of their wages, at that. On the other hand, many find decent, if low-paying, jobs in hotels, restaurants, dairies and the like, can return to Mexico with the certainty of a job, get documentation and return legally. …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 02 Apr 06
    • 5:03 pm

    If US citizens could compete with Mexican workers they might take those jobs. When I was younger, I spent a year following the crops, with a buddy who grew up on a peach ranch. In this one orchard, there were the two of us and a Mexican family working. A man and his wife, a teen-age son, a pre-adolescent daughter and uno nino of about five. I was, at my best, able to fill a bin and a half a day, and my friend, who'd been doing this all his life, two plus, maybe three. That was working practically daylight to …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 03 Apr 06
    • 1:56 pm

    WTH: I'm not clear what you mean by 'amnesty cop-out'. There is nothing in any of the proposals I've read that comes close to amnesty. They all require punitive fines and/or restrictive hoops to jump through in order to attain legal status. You can review them for yourself HERE. As far as minimum wage it would be nice to see piece-work abolished in the farm labor and apparel manufacture markets. There has been some reform here in California, where labor contractors are required to pay out FICA, SS, SDI, etc. from their workers wages, and have Workers Compensation …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 03 Apr 06
    • 2:18 pm

    WTH: I'm in favor of a well regulated fair market. As egalitarian as can be reasonably achieved. I have no problem with the label libertarian, but left libertarian or social libertarian. Capital "L" unregulated 'free-market' Libertarians can go stuff themselves. I don't even mind being called an anarchist, but labels really count for zilch, it's the ideas behind them that are important.

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 03 Apr 06
    • 9:09 pm

    My wife has been both a volunteer and an employe at a local hospital for over twenty years. People who cannot pay are not turned away, but using the emergency room is the most expensive way to care for them. It dilutes the staffs ability to care for genuine emergency cases and it also adds 30 percent to the bills of the rest of the patients boosting insurance costs.
    I know! Crazy isn't it? Add to that the fact that administrative costs of insurance companies runs about 25% of total health care costs compared to ~3% for a program like …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 05 Apr 06
    • 9:50 am

    frog, Is that $600 per annum? Sheesh! My COBRA coverage, if I could afford it, is ~$400/ month. So-called 90% coverage (actually ~60%) with $100 deductible and only for procedures. Drug coverage is pretty good though, as long as I get generics at discount stores. Fortunately, I'm pretty healthy, so far. A few years ago, I was working with a German engineer who was whining about having to go to clinics full of Hausfrauen and their snotty kindern. He immigrated here in late middle age, so his health care is now mostly old guy specialists. He wouldn't believe me when I …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 05 Apr 06
    • 3:24 pm

    frog,

    Congress passed the landmark Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA) health benefit provisions in 1986. The law amends the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), the Internal Revenue Code and the Public Health Service Act to provide continuation of group health coverage that otherwise would be terminated. COBRA contains provisions giving certain former employees, retirees, spouses and dependent children the right to temporary continuation of health coverage at group rates. This coverage, however, is only available in specific instances. Group health coverage for COBRA participants is usually more expensive than health coverage for active employees, since usually the employer formerly …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 06 Apr 06
    • 9:38 am

    HERE is table 12 from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. U3 is the official number. My understanding is U6 is the equivalent of the EUROSTAT standard. There are some fudges in the US system that I've long heard about but can't find references for, such as, in the US, military personnel are included in the number of employed and not in Europe, prison and jail inmates are not included in the labor force unless they are employed in work furlough programs and increasingly, privatized prison jobs at less than minimum wage. WTH had a link to some …

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 06 Apr 06
    • 9:49 am

    Another point I should mention is that these figures are based on household surveys which excludes the homeless. Estimated that 3.5M Americans are homeless for some time in any given year.

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 06 Apr 06
    • 10:02 am

    Another curious fact is that in spite of a growing population, the labor pool total is decreasing. I've heard arguments that some of this is due to forced early retirement from down-sizing. I really don't know.

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 07 Apr 06
    • 9:40 am

    I FOUND the site that I thought WTH had referred to about how US economic statistics get tweaked. These guys say that if the same standards used historically were still practiced, US unemployment would be ~12%.

    Posted to Theyve Come for Us All
    • 20 Mar 06
    • 3:22 pm

    Oh thank you tiny one for providing such wunnerful Faux propaganda. I love watching you scream, "I'm melting! I'm melting". Please don't stop. HERE is a link to the Paul Craig Roberts essay that J.F. Lee cites. And to think he was once Ronnie Raygun's Sec. of the Treasury. The times they are a-changin'.

    Posted to GOP Trashed in Special Elections
    • 21 Mar 06
    • 12:54 pm

    FreeDem, I'd go so far as to say Clinton was the best republican president ever. That's why the Conservative (so-called) Republican Loyalists hate him so much.

    Posted to GOP Trashed in Special Elections
    • 22 Feb 06
    • 5:01 pm

    "By not addressing the role of campaign contributions in their ethics reform plan, the Democrats lead voters to one of two conclusions: Democrats are benefiting from the same system and want it to stay in place, or Democrats are oblivious to the systems current flaws." Or both? The good news is that the issue of campaign finance reform is being addressed in the STATES .

    Posted to Dems on Ethics: A Day Late and a Dollar Short
    • 24 Feb 06
    • 1:07 pm

    onwisconsin, Isn't it a little disengenious of you to ask Obey to unilaterally disarm? For information on how public financing can pass constitutioal muster, CLICK HERE.

    Posted to Dems on Ethics: A Day Late and a Dollar Short
    • 17 Mar 06
    • 3:19 pm

    I also became aware of a peculiar characteristic of more Orthodox Jewish culture you seem to be exhibiting of a willingness to argue emotionally in public with much shouting and waving of hands, all the while maintaining strict rules of reason, and then end their argument by shaking hands and making amiable agreement to meet again. I have to say I found this an admirable trait in contrast to my own family's tendency to act this way in private, but to pretend otherwise to the world while letting inflicted wounds fester. I also find admirable the opposite characteristic among my many …

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 17 Mar 06
    • 3:22 pm

    Oops! The first half of my post got lost in the ether. Sorry about that.

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 18 Mar 06
    • 11:36 am

    "L'homme enfin n'est pas entirement coupable il n'a pas commenc l'histoire ni tout fait innocent, puisqu'il la continue." --Albert Camus The Holocaust was just plain bad. Bad for the Jews. Bad for the Roma. Bad for the Queers. Bad for the Socialists. But worst of all for the perpetrators. It led ultimately to their own destruction. The consequences of all that badness is now bad for the Palestinians. Not as bad as the Holocaust, but still bad.

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 18 Mar 06
    • 11:45 am

    It's not all that great for the Israelis, either.

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 19 Mar 06
    • 12:02 pm

    Gee, cabdriver; I've always found your comments pretty cogent for the most part. I'm sorry the first part of my long post was lost as it described my personal experience of anti-semitism. It kind of left the latter part out of context.

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 19 Mar 06
    • 5:17 pm

    cabdriver, I won't try to reconstruct what was a somewhat painful confessional. I'll just say that conservative WASPs are very adept at disguising their real thoughts and feelings behind social masks. It may be that it takes one to know one, although Blacks don't seem as easily fooled as others. Potentially much more troubling and insidious than those who are more blatant. I'm not sure what you mean about leftists denying the existence of anti-semitism, as so many leftists are Jewish and vice versa. Perhaps it's the pervasiveness of false consciousness on so many fronts that drives it into the background? …

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 20 Mar 06
    • 6:55 pm

    Cabbie, Spot on. I remember a long time ago, D. T. Suzuki was asked what he thought about Western Monotheism. He said something like, "Man against God... God against Man.... God against Nature... Nature against God... Man against Nature... Nature against Man... funny religion!" Odd thing. The more I practise the more respect and understanding I have for the faith of all the Sons of Abraham. frog, Sounds like you're a bit of an Anarchist. Have you ever seen this site: The Political Compass I'm curious what you guys with all your Soc. & PoliSci cred think. …

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 21 Mar 06
    • 11:32 am

    cabbie, I don't know if Gautama said that, but it is very Buddhistic. I wish I could say that Buddhism is totally free from ethnic and nationalistic influence, but all the schools are flavored by their cultural and regional origins. I've met a few Zen teachers who were outwardly very arrogant and there are always inter- and intra-necine squabbles among Buddhists. It's the spice of life, the key being moderation. We're all just people who love our families and our homes. There is basically nothing wrong with that. Western Buddhism is very recent in historical terms. Still wet behind the ears, …

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 21 Mar 06
    • 11:33 am

    To turn your question around, I'd say that Buddhism is both a very sophisticated philosophy and a very simple faith. Simply put, advaita (non-dual) philosophy differs from Western dualism in this way: In classic dualism, the truth of an assertion is defined by A is not B, if B has no qualities that are A. In advaita, reality is both A and B so defined, and niether A nor B particularly. Even more confusing? It is simpler just to say that everything; the self, the physical universe, and the non-physical mentally constructed cosmos are inter-penetrating and inter-connected. It makes sense to …

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 21 Mar 06
    • 1:46 pm

    cabbie, You're correct as far as you go. Zen is very much a syncretism of Buddhism and Taoism. But Zen is also very much about not thinking about shit too much and getting on with it. Not so much about asserting what is true or not, but being genuine, real and honest (kinda like Hip-Hop). What David Bohm (someone who was somewhat a syncretist of Physics, Zen and Marxism) speaks of as dialog rather than dialectic. Zen as a practice is very simple, but very difficult. Thinking can take us to the top of a hundred foot tower, but it can't …

    Posted to Islam vs. the West: Clashing Sensibilities
    • 13 Feb 06
    • 9:39 am

    Meredith, You have piqued my curiosity.

    Posted to Radicals Without Borders
    • 13 Feb 06
    • 9:14 am

    I thought it was a conscious provocation. The reaction was predictable.

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 19 Feb 06
    • 2:04 pm

    I pretty much agree with you Max. I too believe freedom of expression is vital to progressive civilisation and I certainly don't condone violence and intimidation, but I also realize that if you continually push people into a corner they will eventually cease to act in a purely rational manner. To reduce the reaction as purely 'religious' is mind-numbingly simplistic. Social, political, cultural, historical, economic, etc conditions are of much deeper significance, particularly if those actors themselves are largely ignorant of abstract learning about such forces. Their reactions are more unconscious and purely emotional rather than the result of cognizant and …

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 20 Feb 06
    • 9:30 am

    WTH, You're CIA? I had no idea.

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 20 Feb 06
    • 6:42 pm

    Sure WTH, 'Lucky' Luciano, Klaus Barbie and you. Do tell.

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 20 Feb 06
    • 6:43 pm

    ?

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 21 Feb 06
    • 9:42 am

    scenes, I may be wrong, but I believe the only Arab country with normalized relations with Israel is Egypt. The Egyptian president was assassinated and the government crack down on dissidents continues to this day, in spite of cosmetic nods to democratic reforms. Does the Arab street speak to you only with violent riots? You can see coordinated and sustained demonstrations by Palestinian and Pro-Palistinian Americans on American streets if you have the will to look.

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 21 Feb 06
    • 12:58 pm

    scenes, It is difficult for me to agree that what 'seems' to you is conclusive evidence for what is 'probably incorrect'. It is true that the current protests are 'about' the cartoons. That does not negate the fact that they are 'driven' by long standing underlying causes, including as Baroud says, reactions to 'globalization's depredation of local cultures. It seems to me you are making hard and fast what is only ephemeral and superficial. But beyond my mere 'elitist' intellectual disagreement, good article.

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 22 Feb 06
    • 9:35 am

    Strange that new comments don't seem to be going up here. WTH, I thought Ian Flemming was MI6. Wild Bill and Allen Dulles were both handlers of Luciano. You never got to Italy or Marsailles? Too bad, it's so lovely on the Riviera. Dulles is famous for saying that A. Somoza was an SOB, but he's our SOB. OSS/CIA SOP.

    Posted to What was your first reaction to the controversy surrounding the Danish cartoons?
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 6:44 pm

    Curious the oblique reference to McSweeney's . Cloying or endearing, but sure to raise a little bile. Perhaps it's the subtitle of the current issue "Making a Fake Garden Gnome Out of Real Gnomes". Or is it the Klingon recipe for 'vegetarian lasagna'?

    Posted to Of Crafts and Causes
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 1:12 pm

    Crimes of George Bush Pt I

    Wars of Aggression Indictment Count 1: The Bush administration authorized a war of aggression against Iraq. Count 2: The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of war crimes. Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of war crimes, crimes against humanity and other illegal acts. The invasion, occupation and torture of prisoners are clear violations of existing International Law, including the following: 1) Customary international law; 2) United Nations Charter, 59 Stat. 1031, 3 Bevans 1153 (1945); 3) Universal Declaration …

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 1:15 pm

    cont'd

    Count 2 The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of war crimes, including by not limited to: The targeting of Iraqi leaders in decapitation strikes, including prior to the official outbreak of the war included the following: Targeting the civilian population of Iraq and civilian infrastructure by intentionally directing attacks upon civilians and hospitals, medical centers, residential neighborhoods, electricity stations, and water purification facilities, as well as intense and indiscriminate military operations against many cities and towns causing massive civilian casualties. Using disproportionate force and weapon systems with indiscriminate effects, such as cluster munitions, incendiary …

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 1:16 pm

    Count 3 The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of war crimes, crimes against humanity and other illegal acts, including but not limited to: The invasion, occupation and imposition of a U.S.-controlled provisional authority has violated the right of self-determination of the Iraqi people by its decrees, practices, imposition of an interim government, managed elections, and administered constitution-making process, violating Article 1 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights and of the International Covenant on Political and Civil Rights (1966) which states: (1) All peoples have the right of self-determination. …

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 1:25 pm

    That covers War of Aggression. Thinky want more? Other indictments include: Indictment on Torture and Detention Indictment on Global Climate Indictment on Global Health Indictment on Hurricane Katrina You can download them for yourself

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 1:27 pm

    Bush Crimes

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 8:13 pm

    It is amusing that thinky is so enamored of his own opinion in place of the rule of law.

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 8:28 pm

    Yes, Dr. D. I want our store back. I've been awake for 35 years or so and watched it all going down. Been waiting for the pendulum to swing back. Soon now, I think, if we can just get our heads together. Perhaps our reps don't care because we don't, eh?

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 9:59 pm

    I was most likely listening to Steppinwolfs Monster in a hash induced haze, little did I know that John McKay would turn out to be a prophet. Me too, man. That was some great cover art, wasn't it? I just thought he was telling like it is. Just as it is. "America, where are you now. Don't you care about your sons and daughters? Don't you know, we need you now. We can't fight alone against the monster." I just heard George use the word 'compassion'. I could use a hit of hash, right now.

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 10:04 pm

    thinky, You're right to disagree is respected. You're opinion of serious legal charges though, is trite, superfical and uninformed.

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 9:11 am

    wiley, I've found the best way for ordinary citizens to get the attention of a congressperson is to visit their home office. Cultivate a friendly, open relationship with his/her staff. It helps to represent some civic group. If you don't have money or status, it's votes and organizing skills that ring their bells. Don't expect any real commitments. Expect to be co-opted. Keep your eye on the prize. Good luck!

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 2:31 pm

    ooo! ooo! I got one. How about 'Raped sideways with a rusty railroad spike'? It's got a lot of alliteration going for it. It's how I feel after listening to AG Gonzo defending illegal wire-tapping.

    Posted to Witness for the Prosecution
    • 26 Jan 06
    • 9:54 am

    More Americans favor impeaching Bush, poll says Today's topic: Domestic spying By Jim Puzzanghera KNIGHT RIDDER WASHINGTON BUREAU WASHINGTON - The word "impeachment" is popping up increasingly these days and not just off the lips of liberal activists spouting predictable bumper-sticker slogans. After the unfounded claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and recent news of domestic spying without warrants, mainstream politicians and ordinary voters are talking openly about the possibility that President Bush could be impeached. So is at least one powerful senator, Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. So far, it's just talk. With Republicans controlling …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 26 Jan 06
    • 11:03 am

    Behind the scenes , the noose is being drawn a little tighter, day by day. I believe the system is not dead only badly wounded, but it will take grassroots pressure to hold the bastards accountable. It seems the only out for the Administration may be the declaration of Martial Law. Will they create a new terrorist crisis to justify it? Stay tuned.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 26 Jan 06
    • 11:18 am

    mirmir, What I find significant about the Knight-Ridder story isn't the poll, so much as the "I" word getting used in the mainstream press. The sheep need something for their little minds to grasp in order to come to grips with the real lupine threat, rather than the fairy tales with which they have been lulled into drowsiness.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 9:28 am

    Yeah, mirmir, Stop exercising your freedom. All it does is get the 'true believer's' panties in a bunch. They hate our freedom. tiny one, Watch out or the boogie man is gonna getcha. Better check under the bed. Concerning Your a punk and change your screen name It's 'you're', a contraction of you are; not 'your', the possessive form of 'you'. You're welcome.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 29 Jan 06
    • 7:21 pm

    Whatever kids, Let's just not allow the bastards to intimidate us into being tacitly tacit.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 5:27 pm

    My thought about what we must do, is to do what human beings are most talented among beasts to do. Communicate. Ethos, Pathos, Logos, give it all you can. Learning to grow your own vegetables is important, too. What has happened is that much of America's workforce has, due mostly to the past success of progressive causes, itself become middle class. At least economic, if not necessarily social or cultural, middle class. Whether Bush himself is really anybody's problem but his own, his nominal administration has pursued policies that have seen the national median personal income move steadily in a negative …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 11:46 pm

    The convention of most economists seems to be to divide the population into quintiles. The point I was alluding to is how after WWII, the success of the industrial and trade unions led to alienation between the rank and file unionized workers who began to identify themselves as middle class, and the unorganized workforce that still to a great extent lives on the edge of poverty. There is another set of cultural distinctions (blue collar, pink collar, white collar) between generally less educated wage earners who may well make more than salaried professional, middle management and self-employed persons who tend to …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 8:37 pm

    Wonderful that you feel so secure from the dangers of political repression, WTH. What will you think when the gov't. begins hauling dissidents off to camps? "Not my problem"?

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 01 Feb 06
    • 9:37 pm

    Is this the book you're refering to, rocco? Are you fellas familiar with E. Galeano's "A Memory of Fire"? Pocahontas: Medicine Woman, Spy, Entrepreneur, Diplomat by Paula Gunn Allen is an interesting deconstruction of early colonial history.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 01 Feb 06
    • 9:39 pm

    Pocahontas

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 05 Feb 06
    • 12:31 pm

    Gee, WTH; Your incisive sense of irony is mind-boggling! Which do you think is more likely; Denmark will become a militant ally of the Bush Administration in order to defend a culturally insensitive editorial cartoon, or more Moslems will become radicalized against the West because of it? Great strategerizing, WTH.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 05 Feb 06
    • 9:02 pm

    I think the Danish Foriegn Minister has already apologized without calling for censorship. Tres diplomatique, non? I'm sure that won't appease every yahoo on the Muslim street, and Mullahs and Shieks may bark and shout for a few days but this will die down. No need to be lobbing any cruise missiles into Muslim homes, is there?

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 06 Feb 06
    • 3:02 pm

    WTH "And then, you of course will say it is the fault of the U.S. and fascists like me." That is exactly what I am saying. Not. My question is how do you separate the Muslim extremists from the Muslims who are just angry at having their culture and religion mocked? (And with such witless cartoonery to boot.) If it is a real war with (I assume) some kind of effective military resolution, that is? I would say a mob shouting 'Death to the infidels' is something less than an actual meaningful threat. Unlike, say, a stockpile of thousands of nuclear …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 9:30 am

    Ted Rall offers some interesting perspective in his latest political cartoon. It seems death threats are part of the job. At least for those on the left hand of the political spectrum. I don't know, it might be something rare and special for those on the right.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 9:48 am

    In the meantime the AG is on the radio displaying his considerable talents of dissembling about the Executive's supposed authority to ignore the law under which they are supposedly given the responsibility to uphold the law. "What a wicked web we weave, When first we learn to decieve" Poor Richard

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 1:47 pm

    WTH, From The Peninsula On-Line: Qatar Doha: The First Deputy Premier and Foreign Minister H E Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem bin Jabor Al Thani yesterday received a telephone call from Denmarks Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller. The Danish Foreign Minister expressed his countrys respect to the tolerant religion of Islam and all other religions. He also said his statements on cartoons about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) which have been published in Danish newspapers were handled by the international mass media in an incorrect way. The Foreign Minister stressed importance of respecting all religions and stressed that freedom of …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 3:21 pm

    WTH, I originally referred to the Danish FM's public comments. You said I was wrong and referred to the Danish PM's public comments. This is your reading error. I take no responsibility for that. (I agree with Rabbit, the Danish PM is a hopeless asshole.) We have no control over the hyperbole and bombast of other's rhetoric except not to allow ourselves to be swayed. I trust we can agree with this on principle. However, I do question your ability to act responsibly in this regard. Who exactly is Ted Rall personally insulting with his cartoon? Alan Keyes who publicly called …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 6:38 pm

    WTH, If Rall is insulting 'all Republicans' then I would say that is a 'generic' rather than a 'personal' insult for the simple reason that 'all Republicans' is not a person. I think Rall is directing his irony at those particular Republicans who have mailed death threats. If any Republicans take his insult personally, that implies that they are in agreement with those who have sent death threats. If that is so, then I would not in any way defend their perception of offence. Why do you if, you believe death threats are not defensible speech? I know you are salivating, …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 08 Feb 06
    • 11:40 am

    WTH, You just couldn't resist turning my argument around on me, could you. That is why I answered it before you could ask: I know you are salivating, after reading the above, to ask me why I defend Muslim death threats. Short answer, I dont. Its mob talk. Irrational, incoherent and impotent. I am precisely concerned about public officials and the punditry from where ever throwing gas on the fire. " I dont hear people saying all Muslims are threatening, do you?" Yes, I do. Read any right-wing lit about the 'Clash of Civilizations', Bat Ye'or, et al. The better question …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 08 Feb 06
    • 2:18 pm

    WTH, Pardon me if this sounds preachy. I would like to say a word about 'happiness'. There is ordinary mundane happiness, which is conditional and subordinate to the fleeting sensations, perceptions and thoughts that assail our temporal existence. e.g.; "This 'makes' me happy" or "that 'makes' me unhappy". However, there is a deeper source of limitless satisfaction (called zen in Japanese) where the understanding develops that the apparent mortal fragility of change and loss is in actuality the unending renewal of boundless existence. This simple shift in perception allows one to be critical of the unpleasant specifics of the current condition …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 09 Feb 06
    • 3:55 pm

    WTH, Concerning religion, spirituality and the socially redeeming side of Islam, the old saw applies, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." It helps to hear something if you are actively listening for it. I seem to remember a recent conversation where I directed you a widely distributed and celebrated fatwa explicitly denouncing terrorism. All the feedback you gave me was to argue that certain Koranic verses cited were interpretable (by an idiot!) as permitting terrorism. Do you see my problem here?

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 09 Feb 06
    • 9:10 pm

    WTH, Salaam Is it too difficult then to conclude that nut cases who cannot percieve the deeper mythical meanings of scripture and use them only in a superficial manner to justify their unjustifiable beliefs and actions are not really religious in any meaningful way?

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 4:54 pm

    "Some Muslim nations are speaking words of peace, while violent demonstrations are taking place implicitly with their consent." I think 'implicit consent' is a little bit of sinister projection, WTH. I think it would be a little fairer to say that politics is the art of compromise the whole world round. Except here in the USA, apparently. Syria for example. It is not in the interest of the minority Alawite elite rulers to alienate the Sunni majority by appearing submissive to Western sensibilities, nor do they want to give the US pretext for further aggressiveness. It is a sticky wicket all …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 5:15 pm

    "The problem is THEY can be convinced that they ARE being meaningfully religious." The bigger problem is WE believing THEIR false beliefs are central to Islam. It is no different than saying Pat Robertson speaks for all Christians. Or calling those who disagree with US policy 'anti-American'. These guys are criminals. In international law, US law and Sharia law. Criminals always rationalize their crimes. It should not be that difficult to make the distinction. By invading an Islamic, if secular, country that had nothing to do with 911 we have ceded our own legitimacy and created a horrible fucking mess. Returning …

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 11 Feb 06
    • 10:00 am

    The Ox, Rabbit. 1949 Stubborn and methodological, combined with a sun in Libra, adaptive in seeking harmony and balance. My workbench tends to chaos as the work's symmetry emerges.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 13 Feb 06
    • 12:41 pm

    What tactic was exposed, WTH? The only thing exposed was the avoidance of legally required FISA procedures. The NSA is dedicated to the monitoring of international communications. It isn't a secret.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 13 Feb 06
    • 3:24 pm

    WTH, Why would they have thought phones weren't being monitored? The NSA monitors every kind of communication 24/7, rain or shine, war or no war. It is common knowledge. As you said, they aren't stupid.

    Posted to FBI, DoD, NSA: All Spying on You
    • 27 Jan 06
    • 10:53 pm

    Arrrghh...apples!

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 10:14 pm

    "I have a great idea. Since you are so hip on rehabilitating these inmates in America ... why dont [you] spend some time behind bars working [with] these inmates[?]" That is a great idea, tiny one. You could contact: Friends Outside . A great organization. If you can't volunteer, maybe you could contribute. I'm reminded of the line in "Walk The Line" where the warden of Folsom asks J. Cash not to sing any songs that remind them they are in prison. "What, you think they forgot?"

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 1:51 pm

    Liberal, If you remove durable goods, which the poor do not buy anyhow, from the dollar adjustment figures, the poor are actually worse off than in 1972. Another note: If one corrects for the fact that the US unemployment figures do not take into account structural unemployment and other unique statistical features that tend to minimize unemployment, France has lower unemployment than the US.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 6:11 pm

    I own a 12 year old color TV. It cost $0 '87 hatchback sedan. $800 (bought 6 years ago) Air conditioner. $10 3 computers. $0 Microwave $0 Washing machine $0 (3rd in a year. $20 to dispose of old ones) The US is drowning in consumer goods. If you are willing to put up with beat up old crappy shit, are reasonably handy and able to improvise, you can have it all for practically nothing. Huzzah!

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 7:04 pm

    US U6 unemployment %10.1 including discouraged workers and under-employed is statistically comparable to French unemployment at %9.7 French don't include uniformed military in workforce, further distorting statistics in US favor.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 09 Feb 06
    • 2:17 pm

    crashtech unconciously reveals so eloquently why the world is going to the dogs. Thank you, crashtech.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 09 Feb 06
    • 6:01 pm

    "Folks who cant accept obvious facts like 9/11 being caused by Islamic fanactics, or that a large percentage of Muslims approve of the killing of Americans, are beyond reason." "they have a certain charming idiocy with their total lack of familiarity with rational thought processes." That is very interesting.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 11:56 am

    "I dont excuse torture. I reluctantly advocate it..." Well, isn't that special. "I am not hysterical. I simply advocate the destruction of the enemies of the West. For every one of us they kill, I wish for one hundred Islamic terrorists to be annihilated." Not hysterical...cold-blooded, that's all. "I will never accept the notion that the West is reponsible for the problems in the Mideast." Another Cleopatra! Empire...Hegemon. A distinction without a difference. Tribute...Economic control of resources through political patronage (satrapy). Another one. So gifted with semantics, so poor with critical reasoning, neo-cons have their minds fixed like concrete. Does anyone …

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 12:50 pm

    Only insulting to one's intelligence, crashtech. 'Inadequate' and 'boorish' my 'clues' may be, I am just pointing out that your 'ideas' are presented as semantic arguments. Arguments based on Pathos and Ethos, with Logos in conspicuous absence. Are you with me? I have no desire to be your instructor. The only kind of student I would be interested in, hypothetically, would be one who a priori demonstrated a willingness to learn, and, at least, an open curiosity about things that lie beyond one's current understanding.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 2:55 pm

    "If I believed that radical Islamists would leave us alone if we just laagered up within our borders, I would be willing to advocate that. Is that what you believe?" No.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 11 Feb 06
    • 1:12 pm

    Ariana Huffington has an interesting essay this morning on how the 'Jack Bauer' meme infests the minds of those like crashtech whose memories are 'satisfactorily under control'.

    Deep in the brain lies the amygdala, an almond-sized region that generates fear. When this fear state is activated, the amygdala springs into action. Before you are even consciously aware that you are afraid, your lizard brain responds by clicking into survival mode. No time to assess the situation, no time to look at the facts, just fight, flight or freeze. Fear paralyzes our reasoning and literally makes it impossible to …

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 11 Feb 06
    • 4:17 pm

    crashtech, The subject at hand is the ethics of urgency and the psychology of the banality of evil. You do not seem able to address this subject at all forthrightly. However, your Other (in psychobabble that means the text of the posts here considered as projections of your ideologically constructed Ego) is a useful Subject for analysis. Thank you. Scorpy, you old broken record you.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 11 Feb 06
    • 7:07 pm

    That's so big of you, crashtech. Thank you, again.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 12 Feb 06
    • 6:05 pm

    For those who would like to compare Zizek's analysis of the phantasmal and fictionalized rationalization of torture that crashtech, scorpy and other Bushite dead-enders so willingly embrace, and its real world manifestations, this article from the LA Times is sobering stuff.

    For one Marine, torture came home By Ann Louise Bardach ABOUT A YEAR and a half ago, a 40-year-old former Marine sergeant named Jeffrey Lehner, recently returned from Afghanistan, phoned and asked to meet with me. Since his return he had been living with his father, a retired pharmacist, in the Santa Barbara home where he was …

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 28 Mar 06
    • 8:53 am

    I'd go even farther, having some experience of dialoging with scorp. He is one who has internalized that conditioning, and feels threatened when its delusional under-pinnings are exposed. Classical projection of his own mental angst on the analyst. He doesn't miss the point so much as see that it points directly at him, so decides to take a mental vacation on a certain river in Egypt. Or did. Maybe he has grown up a bit since then. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since I haven't seen him trolling these waters of late.

    Posted to Jack Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency
    • 25 Jan 06
    • 7:35 pm

    I love the conceit that the teachers' unions run the schools. Conservatism is dead. The corpse has been taken over by Know-Nothing Zombies.

    Posted to Let Them Eat Crap
    • 20 Jan 06
    • 3:23 pm

    A Neo-Liberal Tale: Don Diego was visiting the Estancia of his dear friend, Don Guillermo. "Guillermo, what a fine hacienda you have, with so many rooms and servants. A Mercedes and a BMW. Such fine fields and orchards, and a swimming pool, tambien! You must tell me how you came to be a man of such magnificient wealth." Don Guillermo led his companion out to the veranda and waved his arm out to encompass the spreading vista of the valley below. "You see that Dam and the reservior behind it, the power plant, the canals, the plantations of cane and the …

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 10:06 pm

    Not to mention those damn redskin injuns in Bolivia who think they can grow cocaine where ever just because of their stinkin' heathen religion.

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 2:55 pm

    scorpy, I wouldn't be throwing around aspersions about people's attentiveness. Glass houses, y'know. The article about Venezuela's lower foriegn investment is an artifact of Venezuela paying off its international debt. Actual current investment is up, but no IMF or WB loans; internal financing only. Venezuela's private banks are doing quite well even though GDP is down to only 9% from 17%. Chavez' land reform has been very careful and judicious in spite of strong public pressure to move more quickly. Exxon is small potatoes. The bit about 'ruffians' nearly overrunning a 'not that exclusive' country club is an amusing tale of …

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 6:57 pm

    Funny! I thought we progressives were already pretty much disgusted from the beginning with State Lotteries as the worst kind of regressive taxation. Worse than sales tax, even. Thanks to tiny one for letting us know it's our idea. I would have never known. Woooo Boy, wiley! I wish you well. teeny one is an untamed one, it is.

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 10:27 pm

    tinyurl Scoll down to the little blue 'tinyurl' and drag to your links bar. Wild I say! Aren't white kids cute when they talk in ebonics? Keep her attention, wiley, while I sneak behind her with the tranquillizer gun.

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 26 Jan 06
    • 1:12 am

    Pertaining to the burning question concerning the animated rodents. Disney's animation was absolutely top drawer, all their stuff had georgeous multi-plane, parallax simulating backgrounds and the fluidity of the characters and other moving elements was always exactingly life-like. On the other hand, WB cartoons were really funny. Found this ARTICLE on Chavez. The essay by Marc Cooper is also awful (maybe not as awful as Back to Canada), but the comments section is great.

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 27 Jan 06
    • 12:46 pm

    " And anti-Chavez demonstrations are rocking Venezuela." Better check your meds, scorpy.

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 27 Jan 06
    • 12:58 pm

    That is interesting about Afghanistan and Iraq being two of the most optimistic countries. Like the fellow who fell into the well, "Of course I'm optimistic, I got nowhere to go but up."

    Posted to No Discounted Transit for Oil
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 9:41 am

    1. Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox. 2. Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow 3. "He abused me, he struck me, he overpowered me, he robbed me." Those who harbor such thoughts do not still their hatred. 4. "He abused me, he struck me, he overpowered me, …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 10:06 am

    It is both ironic and hypocritical how conservatives go on about taking personal responsibility. They always are saying others must be held responsible for their words and actions, but when it comes to their own words and actions they deny any accountability. Rather, when caught with their hand in the cookie jar, they point at others and say "They do it, too." What did Jesus say about removing the log in your own eye before criticizing the speck in another's eye? To think they like to call themselves 'Christian'. A level of moral development frozen at pre-adolescence.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 2:44 pm

    rocco - I suppose hoping we might all embrace a little good sense whatever tradition from which it springs might be a bit too much to ask for. Would you like me to quote a similar sentiment from Camus or do French Existentialists piss you off more than Buddhists? How about Malatesta? He's Italian. Or is his Anarchism too off-putting for you? You must let me know, lest I inadvertently offend you, the constraints you unilaterally impose on who is credible or not, if reason is not your guide. I too am fond of green tea, but I prefer expresso; strong, …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 3:13 pm

    No, WTH; Your post wasn't up yet while I was composing mine. But to answer your question, I affirm what rocco said; "Its more than poverty. Surely you realize this. Its people like you."

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 3:25 pm

    WTH, I have no problem with personal responsibility. It's the hypocrisy of those who demand it of others and make excuses for their own behavior that I have the problem with. Does the shoe fit? Why are you squirming around so, if not? If you are so tolerant of people who are different from you, why do you think respecting those very differences and compensating for real historical inequalities 'only serve[s] to further divide us'?

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 5:12 pm

    rocco, you have no idea how humiliated I am about not writing 'espresso'. Looking forward to offending you in the future.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 8:46 pm

    Aww, WTH ya big old bigoted goose, C'mere, lemme give ya a big hug! Awwwwwwww! Awwwwwww! Poor feller! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Feelin' better now? Eh? You know guy, you're absolutely right. It's not all your fault and it's not all your personal responsibility to put right all the wrongs of the world. It's not about you at all. It's about us. How inclusive can you make that word? Or is there some kind of limiting device on your imagination? Really?

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 9:20 pm

    html tags: < i >italic< / i > < b >bold< / b > < blockquote >blockquote< / blockquote > < a href="url" > Link < / a > with no spaces inside the parentheses.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 3:24 pm

    Reminds me of something I heard once, attributed to Kropotkin, "If the rich weren't greedy, they wouldn't be rich."

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 6:26 pm

    What was the subject, again? Capital Punishment, was it? Racial and Class inequities involved? That's a given. Always been. Hasn't ended because of MLK Day, f'r sure. Not a valid argument for these rugged individualist, market magic types. "Bootstraps! Personal Responsibility! Hrrrmph! Hrrrrmph! Life isn't Fair! Society Doesn't Owe You A Living! Hrrrrmph! Never Give An Inch! Kiss My White Ass! Hrrrrmph! Harrrrumph!" So predictable because it never changes. Hail the Imperturbable Planet--'Conservative'. My question is; if one truly believes in limited government, why, except in the deepest basement of Hell, would one wish to place the power of deciding life …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 23 Jan 06
    • 11:41 am

    WTH, What is your problem with personal responsibility? It is most scurrilously disingenuous and evasive of you to frame the notion of personally taking responsibility for dealing with the injustices of the society in which one lives as 'feeling guilty' and 'accepting blame' for historical events, to which you then categorically refuse any connection or relevance. This, on its face, is a denial of personal responsibility. To say that others must embrace the same cultural, or to be more precise, lack of, cultural values that is your heritage is the epitome of bigoted prejudice. Yes, you are a bigot. You are …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 23 Jan 06
    • 1:12 pm

    Again with the 'fault and blame' WTH? Then I must preface the following with this disclaimer: It is not my purpose to place fault or blame on any parties or persons referred to below. It is my sole intent to point at causal forces and the policies that have driven them. Got it, WTH? It was the Nixon Administration that gutted the reforms of the Civil Rights Movement, leaving inner city and rural poor alike dependent on welfare, leaving only non-corrective programs that served as a subsidy for white businesses. It's the neglect of successive Republican administrations in California, combined with …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 23 Jan 06
    • 1:39 pm

    WTH says:

    IMO social systems survive on their unity, not their diversity... a common language is and has been a great unifying quality. When people speak in a language you cant understand, it is too easy to slip into suspicion they are talking about you or plotting against you. [if you're paranoid -- lb] If minorities want to be assimilated fine... many seem to be so absorbed in Black is Beautiful, Black Heritage, Black Power, that they are giving the signals that sound a lot like, Jane, you ignorant slut. [what the hell does that mean, WTH? -- lb] It seems …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 23 Jan 06
    • 7:24 pm

    WTH; I do not intend those words as pejoratives in any sense. They are purely descriptive. They are perfectly appropriate. Put your ego aside for one moment and understanding will remain. Enlightenment is already a reality. You are merely wasting your own time avoiding it. How will your avoiding avail you when death comes?

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 10:27 am

    hoopsnow, yes, you are. Happy and content in your suburban utopia. Except for all those semi-human cockroaches that haunt your dreams. Good luck with that.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 11:41 am

    OK, WTH: I'll be the first to compromise. You aren't really a fascist. Merely a fascist dupe. You aren't a full blown racist, just a racist apologist. That make you happy? You are much like my own conservative family. "We're not bigoted. We don't hate coloreds. We don't use the word 'nigger'. No, we are so much more refined than that. It's just a natural fact that coloreds are not truly human beings. They don't have the capability to reason. They don't possess souls. We don't hate them, we pity them. We love them, as long as they know their place. …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 12:17 pm

    rocco, Concerning your discussion with Rabbit about the Socratic Method. It only works when the parties involved respect the rules of deductive and inductive reasoning. I think you will find that logic is dispensed with in the most cavalier manner by our beloved trolls. WTH is the exception in that he is sometimes reasonable. If you hold his feet to the fire long enough. The tools left to work with are purely rhetorical in nature. My favorite playbook for this kind of give and take comes from Schopenauer This book by Harry Frankfurt is another …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 12:31 pm

    rocco, Buddhism can stand a few knocks. Break off all those millenia of formal and ritualized crustiness and let the Dharma shine. You'll see.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 1:07 pm

    Don't worry, The Schopenauer is quite clear and brief for a German Romantic Philosopher. Funny, too, if you like your wit very dry I also like formality of language. Still, it's just a finger pointing at the moon. Taking the robe doesn't bother me much. The discipline is going to wear down their WASPy illusions over time. "And that's a good thing." Martha Stewart Martha Stewart's WASPiness would really piss me off if I cared enough.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 2:00 pm

    " Buddhism means the end of the ride" Sorry to disagree, but the Goal (Nirodha) of Buddhism is all about finding sure footing on the Path (Marga). The Path keeps going. There is no end of useful work to do. The Buddhist view (as I understand it) is that the distinction between means and ends as separate elements of causality (Karma) is an artifice. Pure mental illusion. All that Shakyamuni said essentially is "If you want to diminish human suffering, then stop producing it." Is this bad advise? Is it even religion as we in the Christian world define it? Like …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 2:24 pm

    I wrote this humble little haiku that I hope is illustrative: "Now," the moment sings, How the future rushes past, How the past leads here.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 4:55 pm

    Oh yes, rocco, the Buddha can help with your curveball. Like the directions to Carnegie Hall, "Practice, practice, practice." I am (almost) fully conscious of incorporating Buddhism in conjunction with a western mindset (although I am somewhat beyond that in my meditation practise, being able to express and communicate it is what I am working on). My Buddhist critique of the western mindset is that it is a framework against which we describe and attempt to explain reality whether scientifically or metaphysically. It is not reality itself. There is no way to actually 'know' reality through discursive reasoning. Just 'facts' 'about' …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 7:07 pm

    WTH: Didn't mean to imply you are just like my family. But you make the same kind of arguments. We had a colored maid. Everyone just loved her. She cleaned, she ironed, she baked (My Lord, she could bake!) all for half of what it would cost to hire a white woman. My Old Man helped her husband get a job as a garbage collector, which was the about the only half-decent job a black man could get in our town. This in California, a famously progressive state at the time. Their oldest daughter was in my High School class. Not …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 8:06 pm

    rocco, It's 'satori'. I think 'sartori' is finding the perfect shirt or something. (emoticon goes here) (god, they disgust me) I think logic (eastern or western, it is the same) has been used by Buddhists to push as close to a description of what is necessarily by definition, 'not described', as quantum physics has pushed mathematics to describe sub-atomic phenomena, which at present are not perfectly described, either. Yes, most emphatically. The Goal the same for all sentient beings. Some kind of satisfaction. Theory is always just the starting point. Keep a beginners mind and the prize is already won. I …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 8:11 pm

    beginner's mind

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 8:37 pm

    Neo-Platonist absolute dualism certainly did shoot down Pythagorean relativistic monism. It's uncritical adoption by the church and state kept scientific progress at a standstill in Christian Europe for about a millenium. The introduction of Hindu mathematics (see Pythagoras again) is what gave European technologic dominance a kick start.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 24 Jan 06
    • 10:43 pm

    Silly rabbit. He knows. He thinks he's being clever. Let's give him a jolly laugh. Ho, Ho, Ho. Emoticons all around.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 25 Jan 06
    • 1:13 am

    "In the end, why trap oneself? Why be a Buddhist? Why not question everything always? Why trust others ever?" 1. oneself has already ensnared oneself in the trap of self. The better question I would think is how does one get out of this mess? Isn't that the general question we are asking on this thread? 2. Why not? One doesn't have to take formal vows and live the rest of one's life in a cave eating lichens. You've really got to want to become a Buddhist. It requires commitment, self-discipline and the ability to endure excruciating boredom. No kidding! 3. …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 25 Jan 06
    • 11:59 am

    I've personally had to deal with poverty, WTH. I don't rely on stories handed down. I know what it is like. You wouldn't fare very well if you lost your pathetic petit bourgeois advantages. In fact, you'd be totally screwed. People were pretty tough back in the Depression. If it happened today? Some folks find Lawrence Welk to be offensive. I've got stop using Firefox when I post here. Forgot to save another long post and lost it when I hit submit. Dang!

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 26 Jan 06
    • 10:17 am

    Looks like someone fixed the bug, WTH. What were you saying about assumptions?

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 26 Jan 06
    • 2:10 pm

    Thanx, WTH. More or less. My step mother still does a good job of pretending I don't exist. We were never that well off, by the way. Both my parents worked, which is why they hired a housekeeper. They got close to their Midas fantasies, but before I returned to the fold, so to speak, their business collapsed. According to my sister it was because they were trying to buy their way into influence in the local Republican Committee. Karma bites!

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 27 Jan 06
    • 11:44 am

    My folks didn't have any problems with having ins to the Republican Party. One of my best friend's dad was local party chairman, another was the son of local congressman. My dad played football in High School with both these guys. Yes, money is the cause of much weeping and gnashing. Ironic note: One of said congressman's kids used to copy off my tests in Government in Action class. Later became a Cabinet Secretary in W's first term. 's truth.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 2:16 pm

    I'm 'hep', rocco. I can 'dig' what you're saying 'man'. I'd like to add that the general syncretism of African inflection, wordplay, and slang are a large part of what gives American English an amiable sense of dynamic and creative inventiveness. Much as African modalities and percussive improvisation lie at the very heart of what has been called America's only indigenous art form, Jazz. I would think that encouraging the free expression of such a vibrant sub-culture is as American as pizza. I love Spanglish, too. Concerning a pejorative term for persons of mixed race there is the unfortunate

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 3:53 pm

    rocco, Have you heard Ali Farka Toure. The straight blues, right out of Africa. Speaking of blues, DIG THIS!

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 3:55 pm

    Hmm?

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 6:17 pm

    rocco, Are neopolitan hand gestures really that irrational? Their pizza is surely better than ours. I learned my hand jive from Mexicans, and I assure you it is an art of sublime semiotic significance.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 7:30 pm

    You mean pendejo? Thumb and forefinger pressed together with a little plucking motion? I suppose people living for thousands of years in plain sight of an active volcano might have reason to be a bit irrational (I say smugly as I look out my front window at the last volcano to erupt in the continental US before St. Helens). The pizza must be real good. Funny. I'm listening right now to Buddy Guy's "Sweet Tea". Real rootsy with a bunch of Junior Kimbrough tunes. He lights it up like Jimi might of if he'd grown old. (imho)

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 10:11 am

    WTH, Bloody oppression and resistance have a 500 year continuous history in Latin America. History quite studiously ignored in the US. Especially when we are the primary oppressors, which is often the case. An entertaining and enlightening read is Eduardo Galeano's "Memory of Fire".

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 11:18 am

    rocco, For a seriously unserious take on religion, or vice versa, Ben Tripp offers some risible observations. For one of them Hollywood Buddhists, anyhow. HERE is part deux. I think you'll enjoy it.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 1:04 pm

    rocco, You don't want to fuck with wiley. She's very passionate. She can, if pressed, hand you your balls in a sack. Sometimes (usually) the sarcastic expression of irony is most difficult to make clearly understood. Hence, the ubiquity of emoticons. The standard opener here in the land of fruits and nuts is, "Where are you from?" People are often amazed to learn I'm a native. "The world began in Eden, but ended in Los Angeles." Phil Ochs You have my personal permission to be yourself. Concede nothing! (subtle buddhist irony)

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 3:39 pm

    rocco, Without vanity and temperament, the play would be dreadfully boring, don't you think? What makes the drama worthwhile for me (besides a well plotted, coherently directed, believable story) are those moments when the persona of the character in the play is pierced through by the authentic being of the actor. It is even so much more electric on the stage which is 'all the world'. I learned Kung Fu and Ballroom Dance from the same teacher. Very similar disciplines with quite different functionalities. He left it for me to discover for myself how life normally expresses itself somewhere between the …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 4:01 pm

    Back tracking a bit as to what is worthwhile on the Boob Tube... Do you get "Democracy Now" where you are, WTH? It's on Public Access Cable channels in a lot of places. Or you can stream it or download as a podcast. It is unapologetically progressive, but open to oppositional argument. I would ask you to compare the depth and level of discourse to anything else out there, including the Lehrer Newshour on PBS.

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 6:09 pm

    WTH, I don't get sat or cable or I'd probably be a C-SPAN junkie. As it is I find it an excellent resource on the net for inside-the-beltway politics and stuff. Picking over Booknotes I can find the gems without suffering the tedious policy wonks and fatuous conventionalist historians. It is pretty useless for understanding what's going on in the real world, though. I used to love getting worked up over the call-ins in the morning Journalist's Roundtable. DN is on the radio, also. (It started as a radio show.) Should be possible to stream even with dial-up. The kind of …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 7:47 pm

    When one is completely into either one, the discipline is very, very, very, very much the same. But in one, one is hoping to avoid bruises and in the other one is hoping to avoid inflicting them. A small matter. When you're pushing the edge of the envelope there are bound to be bruises. "She got a .38 special, and it do very well. She got a .38 special, man, and it do very well. I got a .32-20 an' I's disappointed." Funny how things get evened out. I wouldn't be going to LA for the trees. The City is where …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 9:30 pm

    Sucked down Mosley when it came out, Davis is definitely on my list, and "Sick Puppy" is on my table. Hiassen's prose ain't nothin' flashy, but he shore do funny good. Raise your window. I ain't goin' out that door. Raise your window, babe. Ain't goin' out that door. 'Cause there's a man out there. Might be your man, I don't know. One Way Out - Elmore James What would the blues be if not for intimacy issues?

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 11:25 pm

    " I wouldnt characterize the banter as wasteful . There is always something to be learned even if the revelation is delayed." I second that, David. Eventually those delayed revelations shall surely be revealed. "No wine before its time." - Orson Welles (in one of his most whorish incarnations) Aparicin del Conejo, Whatever shit you're getting down there mate, Hooooo....yea-us!

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 01 Feb 06
    • 9:58 am

    I don't think it's unreasonable to believe Tookie inherited a really shitty load of Karma. It is obvious on its face that Tookie eventually came to face, and in the end began the work of overcoming, his (our) Karma. That, I sincerely believe, is the important thing. I don't grieve for Tookie. He went out shining. It is our loss that the State cut short his work prematurely. As to knowing everything about everything. We were discussing that here during the Chimp's speech last night. It was observed that the pomp and ceremony of the whole event is peculiarly designed to …

    Posted to Reflections on Tookie's Execution
    • 15 Jan 06
    • 8:50 am

    Biden is a front-runner for the Dem. nomination? God, I hope not.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 15 Jan 06
    • 12:25 pm

    Your opinion and welcome to it tina1. However, ideologically biased assertions and quotes out of context do not a rational argument make. Just saying Alito is respectable and Ginsberg is extremist does not make it so. If it is your desire to do any thing but provide irritating and annoying taunts and insults it would behoove you to learn something about logic and reason and evidence.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 15 Jan 06
    • 1:45 pm

    Very interesting, tina1. So how does 'Middle America' intend to impose this shut down of the innate human capacity for liberal thought? Not in the media. In the free, open and evolving consciousness of thinking and feeling human beings. Expect Resistance. The future is not yet written.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 15 Jan 06
    • 2:23 pm

    I think an important thing to realize, what tina1's triumphalist screed so graphically illustrates, that total victory is but a momentary and vaccuous sentiment of the true believer, evaporating into the thin air of mere belief from which it springs. Alito's comfirmation to the SC will ultimately be only a setback in the struggle for basic universal human dignity, but the political price paid for that pyrric victory will more likely lead to the diminishment of the Republican Party. The Republican Party has had the opportunity to control the government practically without opposition for several years now. I daresay, there are …

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 15 Jan 06
    • 3:43 pm

    And you sincerely believe there are no gay or agnostic Boy or Girl Scout leaders? All you have done is force them into the closet.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 9:13 pm

    Someone's hitting the Wellbutrin real hard. Everything is wonderful in la-la land. Call ya and raise.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 20 Jan 06
    • 4:18 pm

    Mindless Criticism No. 1

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 20 Jan 06
    • 4:26 pm

    More Meaningless Facts for scorpy.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 23 Jan 06
    • 8:17 pm

    A minor correction for MM: "...the promise of a crappy job..." should read, "...The fear of losing a crappy job..." The promise of a crappy job was the Clinton Compromise.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 27 Jan 06
    • 10:48 am

    Libertarians are liberals? That's news.

    Posted to Alito Hearings Drowning in Words
    • 10 Jan 06
    • 2:35 pm

    crashtech; The door is open for you to offer an alternative. Unless you just want someone else to do your thinking for you. Do you believe that moral development is something that is imposed from on high, or is it a consequence of one's own reflection and personal growth?

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 13 Jan 06
    • 1:14 pm

    David, "I dont need a seminar, I am a character :)" Seems we've enough characters here, we could hold our own seminar.

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 16 Jan 06
    • 1:16 pm

    Hifi, A lot of good questions and ideas you present. I don't think you are correct in calling Kuya's list a set of behavioral rules. If for no other reason they are written in the subjunctive mood rather than as injunctions. I think they are more a set of empirical markers of the kind of behaviors that an ethical person is more likely to exhibit, presented as discussion points rather than systematic and fixed parameters. They don't presume to prescribe any pedagogical method. Just a minor quibble. Any set of developmental rules or principles or framework or whatever epistemological approach one …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 2:15 pm

    I've never quite understood how Kant could formulate his "Critique of Pure Reason" which is fundamental to the pursuit of scientific knowledge in that he says reality can not be understood from a priori principles but only by comparison with sensate evidence, and put forth a moral philosophy resting on maxims one must a priori believe to be universally true and sensate experience counts for naught. When one writes thousand page tomes I guess it is reasonable to assume even the most powerful minds might lose the thread of their thoughts. My own interpretation is that he makes the error of …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 8:11 pm

    mirmir, There seems to be some cognitive discontinuity rattling around my brainpan after reading that you shun philosophy and follow by quoting Wittgenstein. Wittgenstein f'r crissakes! I confess that I don't understand philosophy. I think philosophy is something one does in the faint hope of improving one's understanding a little bit, but mostly for probing the edges of one's ignorance. I'll let you have your Kantian quote. The equivalent to me is Ashley Brilliant, "I'm done with seeking Truth, what I'm looking for now is a good fantasy." As far as personal moral principle (differing from injunctive cultural rule) I have …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 8:48 pm

    Paz, eh mirmir. Mas bien!

    FLAME, SPEECH I read in a poem: to talk is divine. But the gods don't speak: they make and unmake worlds while men do the talking. They play frightening games without words. The spirit descends, loosening tongues, but doesn't speak words: it speaks fire. Lit by a god, language becomes a prophecy of flames and a tower of smoke and collapse of syllables burned: ash without meaning. The word of man is the daughter of death. We talk because we are mortal: words are not signs, they are years. Saying what they say, the …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 9:48 pm

    The moment now sings how the future rushes past and the past leads here.

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 10:58 pm

    Claro, Hifi.

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 18 Jan 06
    • 3:03 pm

    Au contraire, mon ami mirmir, Genius always cuts straight to the meat of the nut. That's what genius does. Whatever the field; Poetry, Art, Philosophy, or Basketball. It's just those of us with only above average intelligence who pride ourselves how our minds are cluttered with minutiae and complexity, and gleefully distracted by nuance and innuendo. What you're saying about 'academic' philosophy, I quite understand. Persig has a good word for it. He calls it Philosophology. Come on now, wiley. Don't tease us! Treat us to a song.

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 18 Jan 06
    • 3:16 pm

    I should add that genius is like lightning. It seldom strikes anyone more than once.

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 18 Jan 06
    • 5:34 pm

    Whoosh!

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 12:58 pm

    Perhaps, mirmir, it would be useful if we all could imagine that we were each personally capable of willfully inflicting massive destruction on the world. Do you read Science Fiction? Have you ever read Alfred Bester's The Stars My Destination ? Given your linguistic inclinations I suspect you are a possible fan of Borges. I love Borges. Given your dislike of Neruda and Tagore is it safe to assume you are equally unresponsive to the literary charms of Marquez, Allende, Esquivel, Fuentes, et al? How about Pynchon? That particular critique of Neruda you alluded to is one of the …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 1:04 pm

    wiley, I want you to know this little comment did not go by unnoticed and unappreciated: "Though anyone who has tried knows that it isnt that easy to lead a simple life." In spades!

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 6:56 pm

    mirmir, given so many opaque abstractions, a little concrete clarity might be useful. A spash of cold water, a slap in the face, a poke in the eye? I thought the metaphors in the Lemon fit together quite snugly. Certainly nothing even similar to 'lots of unrelated metaphors endlessly and senselessly strung one after another, the poets meaning lost or absent'. They serve to strengthen the expression of the universal in the particular, the eternal in the moment. The cosmic order, its miraculous revelation in the human heart; revealed in a lemon. Sorry if you don't get it. I, too, am …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 21 Jan 06
    • 10:35 pm

    Light reason brilliance day life lucidity clarity truth hope Bread sustenance money life home hearth fire leavening rising lightness fullness hope Fire heat light life will desire aspiration hope Hope?

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 1:16 pm

    I'm not criticizing your tastes, mirmir. I'm criticizing your critique. You don't have to like Neruda, but saying his poetry is bad is just nonsense. Saying he's a bad man because he wrote an elegy to Stalin is just politics. You want to read some bad political poetry, try Keats. Really awful, even though I mostly agree with him. But Keats did write some immortal shit. I personally don't care for Llosa's political and social views, but he is still an excellent writer. The same for Wolfe and McMurtry. On the other hand I think one of the most endearingly poetic …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 22 Jan 06
    • 9:48 pm

    Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot Are fighting in the captain's tower While calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen throw flowers Between the windows of the sea Where lovely mermaids flow And nobody has to think too much About Desolation Row Zimmy QU esperanza considerar, qu presagio puro, qu definitivo beso enterrar en el corazn, What hope considers, that pure prophesy to which a confident kiss informs the heart. Killer Shit! In Spanish or English. First love. Sweaty palms. Tender cheeks. Machado, A dreamy evening stroll: Trite. Sentimental. Formal. Gutless. Corny. Good pop song lyric, though. (the lists are …

    Posted to Cult of Character
    • 26 Dec 05
    • 3:25 pm

    tina 1; Welcome to the ITT online commentary universe. It's good to hear such a sweet and innocent right-wing-nut perspective. Our resident trolls are getting quite tame. I wonder if you could find a moment to consider this; http://blueworksbetter.com/CharitableGiving An admittedly 'liberal' comparison of the Catalog for Philanthropy Generosity Index touted by Ms. Malkin and a 48 page Boston College study available as a pdf file. Don't take my word for it. Read both reports and make up your own mind which is the more credible. Perhaps it is of some value …

    Posted to Christmas in New Orleans
    • 26 Dec 05
    • 3:27 pm

    And tina, Thanx for your generous prayers. Namaste.

    Posted to Christmas in New Orleans
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 12:52 am

    tina, Glad you enjoyed the blueworksbetter site. Hope you took advantage of the opportunity to expand your knowledge and understanding. I think Bush was not being faulted for the failure of the levees, but for his administration's failure to adequately prepare or respond in a prompt and effective fashion when the levees failed. There seems to be a lot to be desired in the follow up, as well. I find your theory that the local authorities have the main burden of responsibility in a national emergency a hoot. Thanks for the brain tickle. Loosyana pol'tics shore's sumpin' inn't? Politicians are either …

    Posted to Christmas in New Orleans
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 4:05 pm

    In a modest defense of ITT's editorial reticence to take this issue head-on, some speculation that the Leftist press is skitterish in relation to conspiracy stories dating back to the Christic Institute's incorrect conclusion to the assassination attempt on Eden Pastora back in the '80's. "The antidote to conspiracism is Power Structure Research based on some form of institutional, systemic or structural analysis that examines race, ethnicity, gender, sexual identity, class and other factors that are used to create inequality and oppression," A formula for making broad general arguments to avoid getting burned on the specifics. Very sad. I want to …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 8:46 pm

    I think this quote from Griffin's rebuttal to Berlet is very interesting in light of Muwakkil's blanket acceptance of Berlet's and PSR's advisement of ITT. (Andi--thanx for the link)

    However, leaving that problem aside, let me move to what seems to be a major misunderstanding of my perspective. Berlet seems to believe that a conspiratorial perspective is necessarily opposed to a structural, systemic, or institutional analysis. Indeed, he says that I provide a centrist or right-wing populist explanation that if deconstructed suggests that an otherwise acceptable political and economic system has been distorted by a conspiracy of secret elites. Besides …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 23 Dec 05
    • 1:15 pm

    One thing I noticed about the 9/11 myths page (and Natalie's arguments) is that well thought out and plausible speculations are countered with over-simplified and merely possible speculations. For example; the still photo of the initial moments of one tower's collapse showing debris falling below the destruction zone presented as a rebuttal of the free-fall hypothesis based on measuring and comparing multiple videos of the event. My intuitive reaction is they really don't have anything or they aren't really trying. Or maybe they just aren't that smart. One physical argument that I haven't seen except obliquely, is this: Assuming that the …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 23 Dec 05
    • 2:08 pm

    Just trying to add a little more implausibility to the pancake hypothesis/fantasy.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 23 Dec 05
    • 2:19 pm

    The physics involved doesn't require a degree. All you need to know is Newton's Third Law: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 05 Jan 06
    • 5:51 pm

    Natalie; Are you not constrained to conclude that indeed there was manipulation of the ATC/NORAD systems?

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 07 Jan 06
    • 7:41 pm

    Natalie; You know that I believe that the official story of the collapse of the WTC has a null probability of being true on 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and 3rd Law of Motion grounds alone. The controlled demolition theory explains the physical evidence without contradiction. What is it that I'm supposed to believe? That nefarious deep dark schemes are at the root of every facet of every major event in history? Sorry, I don't believe that. Just the ones that have nefarious schemes at the root. Don't you believe in nefarious schemes, Natalie? I would find your arguments more compelling if …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 07 Jan 06
    • 9:35 pm

    Natalie; Professor Jones published his hypothesis, it is out there to read and criticize by anybody. Show me an analytical rebuttal to his hypothesis and then maybe we can discuss it. By the way, the laws of physics are not particularly open to interpretation. I don't apologize for saying you are ignorant. You are ignorant.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 07 Jan 06
    • 10:29 pm

    I just did a google search on Jones, thinking there must be an avalanche of contrarian kerfuffle. Haven't found anything yet. On the fifth page, though I did find this site though; Physics 911 Public Site . Interesting....

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 07 Jan 06
    • 10:51 pm

    They are laughing, are they? Hardy-Har-Har. The physical conditions of the phenomenon under observation determine the application of the laws of physics, not the person applying them. You are ignorant squared.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 07 Jan 06
    • 11:54 pm

    Nat; Joness paper is a political statement, not a scientific one. Really? No science at all? Fooled me. But you are the great scientific expert. Explain to me the politics of the Laws of Conservation of Momentum, please.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 12:09 am

    I haven't had time to do more than skim this. Looks like more pieces to the puzzle.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 17 Jan 06
    • 12:02 pm

    It is telling that Nat just blows by this quote from Richard Banaciski: "We were there, I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." Why would Dr. Jones quote a bunch of meaningless crap that neither negates nor supports his hypothesis, Nat? You seem to have a very tentative grasp on the rules of logic and reason as well as being aggressively ignorant. Or are …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 18 Jan 06
    • 1:02 pm

    The problem here Nat is there has never been a spontaneous collapse of a skyscraper like this before or since. To assert that firemen are trained to recognize such an imminent collapse is an unsupported, disingenuous and irrational assumption. It is more likely that having just seen two buildings collapse in a completely unforeseen fashion they were thinking in an ad hoc fashion that maybe any burning building might collapse. You are going to have to do better than that. If you carefully read the testimony, the firemen are repeating things (conjectures) they heard about building 7 at best third-hand in …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 19 Jan 06
    • 1:59 pm

    Nat, You fail the fact test. The central fact in question (this is the question I am asking you!) is the total symmetrical collapse of three skyscrapers in the same day and same location. Something that has never, never, ever, ever happened before or since as a natural (spontaneous) unfolding of uncontrolled catastrophe, but has happened many, many times as a controlled, engineered, conscious action. Which is the more rational explanation? You can pretend to fail to comprehend this all you want, but what I want is a thorough, extensive, and complete scientific explanation. If you can provide such an explanation …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 19 Jan 06
    • 10:41 pm

    Stinky Pete, The cut and paste works if you delete the space and extra 't' where the line is broken. It's them pesky boolean operators. yes? no? oops! Stunning piece of footage, by the way. A compelling and compressed bit of visual narrative. Bang! Bang! Bang!

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 19 Jan 06
    • 10:58 pm

    This oughtta do it. tinyurl is useful here, sometimes.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 27 Jan 06
    • 10:59 am

    minerva! You've made a friend. Punishment enough?

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 28 Jan 06
    • 3:33 pm

    Nat, All the quotes you give are ad hominem arguments mostly accusing Jones of 'left-wing bias', association with 'holocaust deniers' and the like, and fallacious accusations of cherry-picking and decontextualizing. Not a single analytic critique in the bunch. What is it exactly about left-wingers that makes them inherently unreliable? As opposed to, say, right-wingers? We've been around the block several times about Fireman Bill, so I'll just say finding someone else who makes the same fallacious argument as you do doesn't make it any truer. If you should actually read Jones' paper you will see that he does reference and critique …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 29 Jan 06
    • 12:20 am

    Hell, wiley; I probably should have just reposted that or any other post in response to Nat's inability to distinguish reputation from presentation. She's only got that one trick.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 30 Jan 06
    • 9:42 am

    frog, Aspartame, too? The bastards. To post linkies, use these html tags < a href = " url " > Link < / a > with no spaces between the < >s except between a and href. When you have a longish url it helps to use tinyurl . Scroll down to the blue tinyurl and click and drag to your tool bar. When you are on a page to which you want to link, just click on the icon and one is automatically generated. copy and paste. The trick is to avoid breaking the url in the line …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 10:33 am

    Nat, This is the entire reference from American Free Press; One of the people a thorough investigation should question would be demolition expert Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. Speaking of the way the WTC buildings came down, he said in an interview: If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure. (Bollyn, 2002; emphasis added.) No mention of holocaust revisionism or the wonders of LSD or any of the red-herring ad hominem accusations you are throwing around. If you can provide …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 31 Jan 06
    • 2:11 pm

    bold?...BOLD!

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 01 Feb 06
    • 12:25 am

    care of frog, "The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can't deposit the truth in a bank. You can't buy groceries with the truth. You can't pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another thing coming. Because the million or so people …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 02 Feb 06
    • 2:14 pm

    Natalie, Now that you have given us such a definitely definitive definition of 'reality' (or was that 'truthiness'?), perhaps you could be persuaded to bless us with an equally profound explanation of meaning of the term 'pathetic fallacy'?

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 02 Feb 06
    • 8:10 pm

    I see we've lost our bold default. But what's with the changing fonts and type points inside the blockquotes? And thanks to wiley for showing the way to underlining.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 03 Feb 06
    • 1:16 am

    Thou art projecting, Natalie. You must look inside of yourself to find what is genuine.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 03 Feb 06
    • 1:27 am

    La chauve-souris! That's so cute. In French.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 03 Feb 06
    • 12:28 pm

    "We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not..? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know.. it -- now." - Patrick Henry, 1775. "Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 07 Feb 06
    • 4:56 pm

    Once again, Nat, your accusations of cherry-picking do not stand up to close examination. Where does Jones quote of Loizeaux's statement on how he would go about taking down the towers imply that Loizeaux's opinion is that they were taken down in such a way? The inference is entirely of your own imagining, and totally unwarranted. The same flawed reasoning you have used repeatedly in reference to Fireman Bill. You really need a class in basic logical reasoning, Nat.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 2:27 pm

    johnny, Please excuse my small criticism, but; LOL is best used as to acknowledge another's wit, rather than point to one's own lack thereof. It is unfortunate that it has become, like Cheetos and parent's basements, a cheap, easy and witless substitute for sarcastic snark. I, and I think most readers, really do appreciate sarcasm when it's original and funny. Cliched taunts, not so much. I concede that emoticon smiley faces are a simple and effective way to indicate sarcasm, but there are other, more literary, ironic devices that can really punch up your prose. If you must use emoticons, if …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 10 Feb 06
    • 2:51 pm

    johnny, 'I'm' criticizing 'you'. Just offering some style pointers. Really.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 Feb 06
    • 10:57 am

    Rabbit, As life is a concatenation of myriad serendipitious events, it should be no surprise when serendipity arises within the apparent chaos of daily living. It always seems wonderous and magical, none the less. Maybe because we percieve the world in only three (or four) of its many dimensions. Maybe because recognition of the serendipitious is an unconscious evolutionary adaptive strategy. Maybe...?

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 04 May 06
    • 10:56 am

    Interesting article Natalie, though your conclusion seems to be somewhat less than admitting to the thrust of fahey's own concerns:

    As I unearthed pieces to the puzzle with information obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and from credible activists working with the Military Toxics Project and National Gulf War Resource Center, I helped to demonstrate the pattern of lies and deception about DU propagated by the Department of Defense and Department of Veterans Affairs. My first written statement, presented in November 1995 to an advisory committee to President Clinton, articulated the message I have been promoting ever since: "Depleted Uranium: …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 04 May 06
    • 10:57 am

    Significantly more uranium than in DU bullets would be used in weapons developed under a Hard or Deeply Buried Target Defeat Capability (HDBTDC) programme launched by the US military in the mid 1990s [www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/hdbtdc.htm]. The weapons must be able to penetrate targets in hardened buildings, or underground. This can be accomplished with a high density penetrating warheads with smart fuses that delay detonation until the weapon is in the desired space, for example, on the lowest level of a multi-level concrete building. The weapons also need to neutralize chemical and biological agents before they escape into the environment, by using incendiary …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 04 May 06
    • 12:20 pm

    Natalie, You say, "Just a bunch of pictures....absolutely no proof whatsoever" Do you think those pictures and others from Iraq and reliable reports of increased birth defects among US military are not evidence? Proof only proceeds from rigorous investigation of the evidence. Do you doubt that such investigations have been stymied by the DOD as documented in the Fahey report which you yourself cite? Do you think such intransigence can be overcome by attacking, denigrating and dismissing off-hand those who call for such investigations? Do you deny that the calls for studies in the states that you now say you are …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 05 May 06
    • 8:33 am

    howdy all! frog, David, Rabbit. The Bat is back! " Depleted Uranium is simply not capable of producing an 'unprecedented explosion in malformed babies' ". I can only assume this is meant in the same sarcastic tone as the rest of your post, Nat. Teratogenicity of depleted uranium aerosols: A review from an epidemiological perspective Reproductive and developmental toxicity of natural and depleted uranium: a review. Pregnancy Outcomes Among U.S. Gulf War Veterans: A Population-Based Survey of 30,000 Veterans Miscarriage, stillbirth and congenital malformation in the offspring of UK veterans …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 10 May 06
    • 8:17 am

    All I can say Nat is that your talent for cherry-picking only the words that support your position from an abstract, argumentum ad hominem, and post hoc ergo propter hoc are marvelously consistent. Tell us again how Fireman Bill was supporting the fire caused collapse hypothesis of the WTC when he was explicitly criticizing it. I love that. It's such a perfect example of irrational bias.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 May 06
    • 11:00 am

    Natalie, You say, "a paper purporting to determine the possible role of DU in teratogenicity glosses over far more probable causes of it. This is what you call 'glossing over':

    The issue of how to distinguish the role of DU from that of other suspected teratogens is serious and complex. The response to this challenge is built on the interface of laboratory research and population studies; its glue is the application of epidemiological principles of inference. Laboratory and animal research are proceeding apace and are suggesting plausible pathways by which internalized DU aerosols could be mutagenic and/or teratogenic. As animal studies …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 May 06
    • 11:02 am

    More generally, serious effort needs to be directed toward disentangling the role of DU from that of other potential teratogens in tandem with which DU exposure has frequently occurred. This task becomes less daunting, though more urgent, as the contexts in which DU munitions have been exploded increases. The identities of the "other potential teratogens" disbursed into the environment by the crash of an airplane carrying DU in a civilian area differ, at least somewhat, from those disbursed by DU fires in a combat zone. In response to "widespread distress" about crash-associated risk, a theoretical physics-based model of the 1992 event …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 May 06
    • 11:04 am

    A cohort study from Kerala, India is a particularly apropos example of a well-executed investigation that was able to detect differences in the occurrence of birth defects (and other untoward pregnancy outcomes) among population groups [70]. In a genetic epidemiological and fertility survey conducted among 700,000 people in regions with normal background radiation (85 to 110 mR/yr) and high background radiation (735 – 563 mR/yr) – from thorium monazite in the soil – Padmanabham et al used personalized, direct contact with families to document a statistically significant increase in congenital malformations and other birth outcomes in the area with higher background …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 May 06
    • 12:34 pm

    You go on, " ... ignores the likely possibility that the Iraq data it does choose to highlight has been fudged?" Do you have any evidence of this beyond your hand-waving and politically biased speculation? Doesn't the corroboration of Iraqi studies by non-Iraqi doctors count for anything? "Gunther, S-H. Uran-Geschosse: Schwergeschaedigte Soldaten, missgebildete Neugeborene, sterbende Kinder Uranium Projectiles: Severely Maimed Soldiers, Deformed Babies, Dying Children. Projetiles d'uranium: Militaires gravement mutiles, nouveau-nes defformes, enfants mourants AHRIMAN-Verlag GmbH. Freibburg, Germany; 2000." Or is the fact that he was in country observing automatically discredit him, in your mind, as dupe? Wouldn't be fair to …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 May 06
    • 12:38 pm

    As to Fireman Bill; Here is the entire quote from Manning in Jones:

    8. I totally agree with the urgent yet reasoned assessment of expert fire-protection engineers, as boldly editorialized in the journal Fire Engineering: Respected members of the fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating [result] has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA… is a half-baked farce that may already have been …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 11 May 06
    • 12:44 pm

    The content fire theory is addressed elsewhere:

    But here we note from the recent NIST report that: The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in a given location. (NIST, 2005; p. 179, emphasis added.) Certainly jet fuel burning was not enough to raise steel to sustained temperatures above 800oC. But we continue: Once more than half of the columns in the critical floor.. suffer buckling (stage 3), the weight of the upper part of the structure above this floor can no longer be supported, and …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 13 May 06
    • 1:02 pm

    I'm sorry Nat, but epidemiological studies don't work in the way that you seem to think that they should. They are primarily interested in trying to remove wheat from the chaff in the attempt to isolate a single causal factor in a given phenomenon. In the case in point, what is the effect of DU poisoning within the reported health problems that do exist. Synergistic effects of multiple causes is the topic for a different paper after some appropriate values for comparison are available from the accumulated evidence. You are putting the cart before the horse. It is obvious, your ideological …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 16 May 06
    • 4:37 pm

    Nat, A simple question: If Basra records are suspicious, is the proper course to try to ascertain through diligent investigation whether they are or not reasonably accurate, or dismiss them out of hand and believe for a fact they are wildly inaccurate merely on the basis of your suspicions?

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 17 May 06
    • 9:21 am

    Nat, If the results of rigorous investigation show, contrary to your hopes, that inhalation of micro-sized uranium dust does contribute to serious health problems, then what will you say?

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 18 May 06
    • 10:31 am

    Nat, Very gracious of you to admit you'd be so very contrite, yet still proud of your self and your company, if found wrong. No mention of responsibility for the very real and very horrific suffering these weapons may have inflicted upon innocent populations. On the other hand, you think if I am proven wrong (meaning, I suppose, that I believe what you apparently believe I believe, that the dangers of exposure to DU dust are already proven true, and not what I actually believe; which is that there are, from my own humble reading of a broad sampling of the …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 19 May 06
    • 12:18 pm

    Rabbit asks: Lume Natty thinks you and she are not too far removed in opinion about DU. Is that so? In her dreams, Rabbit. The one thing we really know about Nat, besides her unremitting shilling for the government, is that we know nothing at all. Isn't that strange? After two years of conversation, not a clue as to her real occupation, family background, personal history, geographical home. Not a single genuine human trait about her has been revealed. Not even her gender. We know how uncertain that can be by mere inference from a name. Still, I have myself learned …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 20 May 06
    • 11:33 am

    Natalie Damn, the first part of this long post, dealing with the logic, or rather its lack, in your style of argumentation, as well as certain details as to the specifics of this discussion, got lost. For some reason my posts are only going through on the second attempt. Maybe I'll try to reconstruct it later. I'm not alluding to you being unreachable, Nat, I'm alluding to the fact that you never reach out in any ordinary human and personal fashion as people in extended social situations are prone to do. I'm somewhat reserved myself, but you make me feel positively …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 20 May 06
    • 3:57 pm

    Natalie, the errors and non-sequitors you employ are just too numerous for me with limited time to respond in the detail they justly deserve. For a single example, consider your laughable suggestion that the Hinden, Brugge, Pannikar study relies on what you call 'Saddam's science'. You yourself point to a doctor in Saddam City, where support for Hussein is still widespread, who denounces propaganda uses of infant corpses during the sanctions period. How much more likely is it doctors in Basra, where Saddam was widely hated, would denounce politically manipulated research? Yet the doctors involved in the Basra …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 21 May 06
    • 12:51 pm

    Nat, I fail to see how neglect is a motivation for researchers loyalty, even if they were Baath Party members. That is exactly the kind of internalized conflict I'm talking about. You too are caught between doing what you know is right and doing what you must to get along. We're all in the same boat. Even those who think they are in positions of power have sublimated their own autonomy to the externalized dictates that their position requires of them. It is trivial that they represent themselves as the protectors of the powerless. It is how the illusion of leadership …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 21 May 06
    • 4:17 pm

    There is an old joke, that has long served as a cautionary tale to researchers, about the man searching for his lost wallet under a streetlight when he'd actually lost it in a darkened alleyway because the light was better. This is a simply understood explanation for the kind of cynical manipulation of data that the Sandia, WHO, UNEP, and RS reports have all relied on to present their minimalized findings. For example, the Sandia report, which relies on the Capstone data for their theoretical calculations. (Just so you know, by citing both, you aren't really citing different studies.) sets as …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 23 May 06
    • 12:46 pm

    Hi, wiley, Good to hear from you. Is ICH the Interagency Council on Homelessness? Kudos for that. Nat is so unquestioningly supportive of our military leadership. Who is supporting the ordinary grunt? I'd like her to watch this VIDEO and imagine this is her son just some few years down the road. One soldier's testimony. How many more are too confused, intimidated, ashamed or so thoroughly indoctrinated to speak up.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 26 May 06
    • 11:11 am

    wiley, I've read with interest what you are trying to do at ICH. I think maybe you're beating yourself up a little too much. It seems to me you have done well in encouraging and attracting a core of reasonable and cautious folk who are willing to sift through the inevitable chaff for the rare nuggets of illuminating fact. I have to confess my own chagrin at being taken in by Jesse McBeth's sordid fabulations and initially ignoring the skeptical warning bells that were going on inside my head for the purely emotional response to the horrific nature of his 'confession'. …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 26 May 06
    • 11:32 am

    In terms of communication, one thing that I have noticed is the ubiquity of the word 'hate'. It seems such a hard, irrevocable and unyielding word. It seems that sense is only re-inforced by its every iteration. If our goal is indeed to put an end to hatred and the violence which it engenders, we should be attempting to wean people away from its overuse, and seeking to substitute more flexible, ameliorative and generous terminology in its place. 'Anger' is a step in that direction, insofar as it connotes a transient emotion and not so much a fixed and inflexible state …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 28 May 06
    • 9:41 pm

    Thanks for your research, frog, I've been loathe to comment on Nat's loathsome choice of references, but if I must I must. I'm certain without even blinking, she'll dismiss Rampton as just another left-wing anti-business loony. Perhaps she'll consider this review of Milloy's screed from The Skeptical Enquirer , a source one would think would be his natural ally, that basically rips him a new one. It's apparent that Hines is either unaware that Milloy has a degree in Biostatistics or is too polite to say he should know better. Either way it's obvious that Milloy is a lying …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 28 May 06
    • 9:42 pm

    Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is widely credited with starting the modern environmental movement. But its publication also marked the beginning of modern anti-environmentalism. In fact, the attacks on the book began even before it was published (Stauber and Rampton, chapter 9, Lear, chapters 17-19). What is remarkable is that the criticism continues even today, more than thirty five years after its publication. The latest assault comes in "100 things you should know about DDT" by J. Gordon Edwards and Steven Milloy. The authors write that: Rachel Carson sounded the initial alarm against DDT, but represented the science of DDT erroneously in …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 01 Jun 06
    • 8:31 am

    Natty, If you really want to inform yourself on the raging so-called DDT controversy with a little science, fact and reason to temper the distorted polemics of the right-wing editorials you cite, please play this fascinating and informative little GAME . It provides a soothing emetic to all the toxic politically charged mis-information you so eagerly gulp down like bon-bons.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 03 Jun 06
    • 8:41 am

    A horse is a horse, Of course, of course, Unless it's dead as Hitler's corpse. That is of course, unless the horse's Ass is Georgie Bush. Go right to the source And ask the horse. He'll give you the answer that you endorse. "The path to peace is pre-emptive force." The infamous Georgie Bush. La la, la la, La la, la la La la la, la la la, la, la la La ilaha illa allah And the god of Georgie Bush.

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 03 Jun 06
    • 10:24 am

    My last word on DDT: When I was a small boy, California's Central Valley was the home of the largest population of wild birds in the world. One could go out to the wetlands of the Westside in the middle of the migration season and the sky would be literally darkened by flocks of birds; egrets, herons, bitterns, ibis, cranes, pelicans, ducks, teal, mergansers, loons, mudhens, avocets, plovers, sandpipers, gulls, pheasant, quail, hawks, eagles, osprey, falcons, owls, kingfishers, doves, woodpeckers, meadowlarks, swallows, bushtits, nuthatches, blackbirds, wrens, waxwings, redwings, warblers, starlings, strikes, thrushes, tanagers,orioles, and the lovely western bluebird. From anywhere in …

    Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
    • 17 Dec 05
    • 10:16 am

    What I gather you are saying, Jay is the new bullshit is no different than the old bullshit.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 18 Dec 05
    • 10:13 am

    WTH: Here is the good General Doctor's complete analysis of why "the Muslims" are attacking us. "Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms." That's it. Wow! Is that insightful! Then he goes on to say that the US has done nothing to provoke attacks. That is horseshit pure and simple. Islamo-Fascism! Islamo-Fascism! Islamo-Fascism! Islamo-Fascism! Just repeat until your brain turns to jelly.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 18 Dec 05
    • 2:50 pm

    What the heck, WTH?; What are you saying? Politicians lie? Unregulated capitalism sucks? Both parties' establishments are bought and paid for by corporate interests? Tell me something I don't know. Here's some reading for you WTH: On the War On the Economy I know he's just an editorial writing journalist in the MSM and therefore having zero bona fides in your oh-so-well-informed opinion, but he writes well and what he says is consistent and well reasoned.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 18 Dec 05
    • 7:09 pm

    Ah, WTH: If is the biggest word in the English language. If there are persons among the Islamic Nations that wish us harm through terroristic demonstrations, there is no rational reason to think that continuing a brutal occupation in Iraq will either diminish their number or their determination. To think that because this handful of criminals (at least before we went into Iraq they were a relative few) cloak their political agenda in religious rhetoric, declaring war on that religion is going to strip them of credibility is not just stupid, it's pathological. I really am not concerned with placing blame. …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 10:53 am

    No first place winner, either WTH. We, individually, can only decide to conduct our selves morally and with compassion or go along with the mindless passions of the herd. Which shall it be, WTH? Wiley, I am in love with your passion, but I personally would be happy just to see an end to the perpetuation of injustice. Locking the perpetrators up for the rest of their sorry lives would just be icing on the cake.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 11:48 am

    Wheee! Another dog and pony show and we can declare victory and all go home. What? We can't go home? We gotta stay and kill more irrelevant brown people? Damn, I feel so shrill.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 12:07 pm

    Speaking of the success of Democracy, Jay-Jay, how does this FACTOID fit in with your theory of no longer relevant weltanschauungen? Will you be reconsidering next year when Mexico elects uno presidente socialismo?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 12:25 pm

    Ooops! Kindly ignore the previous link. Try this one.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 12:27 pm

    THIS ONE .

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 12:29 pm

    Speaking of the success of Democracy, Jay-Jay, how does this FACTOID fit in with your theory of no longer relevant weltanschauungen? Will you be reconsidering next year when Mexico elects uno presidente socialismo?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 1:04 pm

    No, Jay-Jay, I'm just saying the election in Iraq was a dog and pony show. It won't make Iraq into a democracy. Only the people can do that. I'm so glad you admit that the people of Bolivia are not irrelevant.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 2:30 pm

    Not at all, Jay-Jay. I just have little faith the tightly vetted and empirically powerless 'government' that this so called 'free' election establishes will in any respect reflect the considered will of the Iraqi people. I feel the participation of ten million as the most visible and available act of expressing their hope that the U.S. military will leave their country at the soonest possible time, enervating. I am, contrariwise, filled with dread their hope may be a vain one.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 3:17 pm

    I agree, Wiley. It's just that stopping the killing and abuse strikes me as a priority. These legal things take awhile. I don't expect them to disappear because "I" am not emphasizing their importance. But you've got my willing permission to do so. "Let it ring from every mountaintop... 'Let my people go!'"

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    • 19 Dec 05
    • 5:51 pm

    Yeah. And that war wasn't over until the British Army left. What we had after the Constitutional Convention was an Autocratic Republic with the sop of a popularly elected House of Representatives through the franchise held exclusively by white men of property. We've struggled for two hundred years plus to extend that representation and franchise but we are still a long ways from a true democracy. We've been advancing to the rear mostly during my lifetime. I actually have more hope for the Iraqis than for us. Once the US gets outta there. Most of the people who have given their …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 6:07 pm

    WTH; The fact that you hold pacifism in such disdain means to me only that you do not possess the courage to be a pacifist.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 6:18 pm

    For those other soldiers you don't want to talk to WTH:

    AND THE BAND PLAYED WALTZING MATILDA When I was a young man I carried my pack And I lived the free life of a rover From the Murrays green basin to the dusty outback I waltzed my Matilda all over Then in nineteen fifteen my country said Son It's time to stop rambling 'cause there's work to be done So they gave me a tin hat and they gave me a gun And they sent me away to the war And the band played Waltzing Matilda As we sailed away …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 8:44 pm

    Have I posted this before? If so, it's worth repeating:

    Without Blinking During the civil wars in feudal Japan, an invading army would quickly sweep into a town and take control. In one particular village, everyone fled just before the army arrived - everyone except the Zen master. Curious about this old fellow, the general went to the temple to see for himself what kind of man this master was. When he wasn't treated with the deference and submissiveness to which he was accustomed, the general burst into anger. "You fool," he shouted as he reached for his sword, "don't you …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 8:54 pm

    To my shame it just struck me that ordinary generosity behooves me to share the source of this short tale. A nice little collection.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 9:24 am

    WTH: Your efforts at sarcasm are small. If all had been pacifists there would have been no wars. It would be a completely different world in which people are free to govern themselves through mutual consideration. Free from the manipulations of machiavellian rulers who pit one people against another to secure their own power. My disdain is not for my country or the vast majority of its people which I deeply love. My disdain is for our corporate rulers and their bought and paid for politicians of both parties who mouth the words 'liberty', 'justice', 'democracy', and act only to feather …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 1:18 pm

    Jay-Jay, It was WTH who introduced the comparison of the American Revolution to our occupation of Iraq. I was just following with that ancient method of falsifiability to which you profess such admiration yet display such incompetence in utilizing or recognizing. Are you educable?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 1:22 pm

    wolfie, I always maintain a degree of hope for all people. Even you.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 1:36 pm

    wolfie, Newsday has a decidedly different take on that Time poll:

    President Bush is making selective use of an opinion poll when he tells people that Iraqis are increasingly upbeat. The same poll that indicated a majority of Iraqis believe their lives are going well also found a majority expressing opposition to the presence of U.S. forces, and less than half saying Iraq is better off now than before the war.
    There's an old blues line that may give one some insight into perceived Iraqi optimism, "been down so long, down looks like up to me"

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 1:38 pm

    That little experiment didn't turn out so well. Tale of Two Wars

    • 20 Dec 05
    • 1:40 pm

    Sheesh!

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 2:01 pm

    Yes, Jay-Jay, I stand by my words. Your arguments are trivial. wolfie, there are no shades of grey between the danger of being blown to bits by implacable combatants and living peacefully in one's own home. Only the comfortable can afford to make abstract generalities of issues of life and death.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 2:11 pm

    It's the same poll, wolfie. You were making false general conclusions. Now you want to be more specific. OK, but why don't you admit your error?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 2:21 pm

    wolfie, I, for one do not shy away from moral arguments. Nor do I easily tolerate sophisties that cloak themselves in moral terms. You can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 2:30 pm

    wolfie, Sorry, I missed your qualification. Nonetheless, you would exclude the Sunnis from 'most Iraqis'. Rather selective and disingenuous, don't you think?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 2:51 pm

    Jay-Jay, I didn't draw any comparisons between the Redcoats and American Occupation Forces. What I did say is that our collective struggle to establish a democracy did not begin or end with the Revolutionary War or the establishing of the Constitution. The same will be true for the Iraqis. If you can't understand it is not my problem. If I may presume to a didactic function. Your argument rested on your characterization of WTH's analogy as being 'near identical' and my (erroneously assumed) analogy as being 'flippant' without any evidence but your own opinion. Supremely trivial.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 3:15 pm

    Jay-Jay, you completely forgot the Turkmen and Assyrians, not to mention those Iraqis who might have a more nationalist or internationalist and secular POV. But I guess they being even less than 20% are just too insignificant for you to consider. It is of some limited interest to compare the differences of distinct segments of a population. However by excluding one segment from a general conclusion about the whole you are just going along with the divide and conquer strategy, and again, being disingenuous. I infer from what you are saying the US should leave sooner rather than later, nes pas? …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 3:57 pm

    Jay-Jay, Go back and re-read what has been written and it might make a little more sense. And you might even discern my actual points of contention. I'm glad you agree in principle to honesty. Now if only you can find in yourself the capacity. No disrespect meant. Just constructive criticism.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 4:10 pm

    Actually, Jay the difference between Sunni and Shia Arabs is historically not all that distinct. Particularily in Iraq, the wedge driven between them is mostly a result of US policy going back GWI. Bush I first encouraging the Shia to rise up against Saddam, and then, not only failing to support them in that uprising, but allowing Saddam full access to ruthlessly put it down.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 4:26 pm

    wolfie, Of course the Sunni population is massively against the occupation. So much so that it effects the majority opinion. Otherwise you would have no need to exclude them. Perhaps you are being less than honest with what your intentions are. Is it to find a dialectic that can bring us to concensus or is it to nail my sorry ass to the wall? That question goes for you too Jay, WTH.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 5:55 pm

    Jay, When you begin to cop to your own lies and distortions, and cease to project them onto me, then we might have some grounds for mutuality. Begin with the obvious falsehoods you use in the post of 5:20pm. You are not merely misinformed, you make absolute truths out of partial ones. wolf, When you say 'most Iraqis excepting those in the Sunni regions', you are explicitly excluding most of the Sunnis from most Iraqis. ipso facto. It is a distortion. It is putting a spin on the fact that most Iraqis are not supportive of the US invasion including substantial …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 6:39 pm

    Thank you, Wiley. Mama scold. I'm getting tired of being polite.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 4:41 pm

    I am willing to assume there is information only the president and top military personnel have which is not and should not be public--WTH Sorry, I'm not so willing to give up my necessary right in a democracy to informed consent. It is refreshing, though, to see you declare so explicitly your willing obeisance to tyrannical rule. It makes everything you've said so clear. Bye the bye, it is impossible for me to ever become the first woman president of the US, as you have assumed incorrectly my gender. Just an object lesson in the possible error one risks when one …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 7:37 pm

    Jay; Perhaps I've been too harsh in my use of the word 'lying'. Would the term 'dissembling' be more acceptable? When you get back from your research expedition we can discuss it.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 2:23 pm

    Jay-Jay; You're above arguments about polling numbers are blatant and egregious. By throwing out data to obtain a result that is consistent with your opinion, you are committing a fraud, plain and simple. If this was the only case it could be dismissed as mere ignorance, however you consistently argue without the slightest concern for either facts or reason. Even when you on the rare occasion present an empirically true fact, the reasoning you employ in determining the significance of that fact is invariably turned on its head and twisted topsy-turvy. Like saying for example: Socrates is a man. Socrates is …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 2:40 pm

    WTH: I fail to see how piling unforgivable mistake on top of unforgivable mistake upon unforgivable mistake is defending US credibility. You illustrate so transparently Wilde's observation that "consistency is the hob-goblin of the small minds." It's not at all clear to me that immediate US withdrawal would result in any more bloodshed than is occurring NOW. (I do think it important to examine the future consequences of present and past actions. It's called mental maturity)

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 3:29 pm

    The world is getting a quite different picture than what either the Pres. or the relatively compliant mainstream press are saying. HERE is a view from the Iraqi street that puts your arm chair speculations to shame. If you guys are capable of shame?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 5:46 pm

    The facts of the one poll under discussion are the numbers of that poll. It is not my poll vs. your poll. It is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of uncontroversial fact. It is the same poll and it is the same numbers. once again blatant data-mining, removing data that do not agree with your desired conclusion is FRAUD, plain and simple. If you were presenting a study using such conclusions to any legitimate scientific body you would suffer the most severe sanctions. Exactly. So you are backing off the argument that The Shia and Sunni consider …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 23 Dec 05
    • 12:24 pm

    WTH; You're right, Emerson said it first. However, Emerson was dead before Wilde was in an English prison for the crime of being himself. You say: Based on what happened when we left too early thousands were slaughtered. If we do it again I see no reason it would not happen again. In addition it would give the terrorist leaders wonderful recruiting material. Blow yourself up chase an American Army away. First, we really never left. No fly zones, sanctions, UN inspections. US troops were still on the ground in Iraq when the US gave Saddam permission to use helicopter …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 23 Dec 05
    • 4:35 pm

    Yes WTH, your illusions are incompatible with changing minds. Before you can change a mind you must first begin to understand it. You should begin with examining your own mind. It's never too late. It is apparent to me that you mindlessly cling to core beliefs you vainly desire to be fixed and absolute. Any new idea outside of what you already believe you can only interpret as a threat. Like Jay, you put on the mask of reason and moderation, but the only compromise you offer is an ignoring and confused middle ground between the search for what is true …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 24 Dec 05
    • 11:37 am

    Merry Christmas, WTH; "Blessed be ye poor; for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now; for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now; for ye shall laugh." "But woe unto you that are rich! For ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! For ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! For ye shall mourn and weep." "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth; but I say unto you: Resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 24 Dec 05
    • 2:22 pm

    selah salaam aleichem, comrade. May peace be upon you.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 26 Dec 05
    • 12:34 am

    For your marine, WTH; Christmas in the Trenches words & music by John McCutcheon My name is Francis Tolliver, I come from Liverpool, Two years ago the war was waiting for me after school. To Belgium and to Flanders to Germany to here I fought for King and country I love dear. 'Twas Christmas in the trenches where the frost so bitter hung, The frozen fields of France were still, no Christmas song was sung, Our families back in England were toasting us that day, Their brave and glorious lads so far away. I was lying with my messmate on the …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 26 Dec 05
    • 9:35 am

    Saw THIS interview on C-SPAN over the weekend. This week on After Words former Marine Corps Captain Nathaniel Fick who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, reveals how the Corps trains its leaders in his memoir "One Bullet Away: The Making of a Marine Officer ." Watch this interview, WTH. He strikes a genuinely middle view between your mindless jingoism, and the absolute rejectionism you attribute to me. You might learn something.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 26 Dec 05
    • 5:00 pm

    I'd rather say some wrong decisions were made. What were mostly imaginary threats are now real threats. Let us not assume that those new real threats are at all the same as the imaginary threats that led us to make those original wrong decisions. Some questioning of the underlying assumptions is indicated. That's what we on the Left do best. If it suits you to reduce the totality of millenia of pacifist thought and practice to the rhetorical and hypothetical hyperbole of your friend's son it does seem difficult to help you understand that your view of pacifism might in itself …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 12:29 pm

    Jay-Jay; You really are funny when you try to be sarcastic. I am still waiting for you to back up your claim of historical fact with evidence. I'm curious. How I have fallaciously interpreted your statements? Don't dumb up your response on my account. I'll do my best to keep up.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 1:43 pm

    I can only regress so far before I starting instructing you with baby talk Jay-Jay; That ship has long since sailed, bro. Your range has so far been limited to the gray area between gobbledegook and gibberish. I think you're afraid of me. Here's a taste of what < a href="http://www.submission.org/terrorism.html"> genuinely religious Muslims actually believe about the blasphemous sins of terrorists and the urban myth of houris of paradise. Inform yourselves and then maybe we can talk.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 1:44 pm

    genuinely religious Muslims

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 2:40 pm

    Jay-Jay, you are afraid of me! You are damn near incoherent.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 3:34 pm

    I still don't see anything that constitutes real evidence that the sons of Ali and the followers of uncle Bak'r have ever considered the other's faith and practice in Islam heretical. Your broad brush picture reveals the schism is historically over ecclesiastic authority and not religious doctrine. I really don't think you know exactly what it is you are trying to prove with this argument.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 4:33 pm

    Jay-Jay; So, do you do rescind your language of heresy and ex-communication or don't you? It's not nice to change the goal-posts in mid argument. I know I don't know what exactly it is you're trying to prove. I merely suspect you don't, either. Since you haven't made an effort to clarify, my suspicion is only confirmed. If you believe the present differences between Iraqis are fundamentally because of irreconcilable religious disputes, that would seem to preclude existential material cultural and political causes. If you think that these sorts of causes may have some relevance then we are really not in …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 27 Dec 05
    • 5:27 pm

    have stated quite clearly that I believe the differences between Sunnis and Shia are fundamentally because of religious disputes. So tell me, what exactly are these irreconcilable differences in dogma and doctrine?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 28 Dec 05
    • 9:15 am

    Jay-Jay; Heresy and ex-communicate are not reconcilible differences. The Protestants and Catholics fought for thirty bloody years over those words. In some sectors they have currency still. They have distinct and particular religious meanings that apply to central doctrinal understandings. They just do not apply to the differences between Shia and Sunni. Your ignorance of that history is as obvious as your ignorance of Islamic history. There has never been any question between the Sunnis and Shia as to each other's religious legitimacy. They have lived shoulder to shoulder since the very beginning of Islam. Social and cultural differences have been …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 28 Dec 05
    • 10:13 am

    WTH; While what you are saying is generally true, reality is in the specifics. The gross over-reaction to Rushdie's novel was particular to a single fatwa of Ayatollah Khomeini. The condemnation of terrorism is broadly affirmed by all sects of Islam. Even the majority of Salafis, to which the Al Queda leadership nominally belong. IMHO religious war is the invention of Christians against other Christians in the 2nd century. It is generally the result of exceptionalism among monotheistic religions. It is far more often the superficial rallying cry used by political leaders to manipulate the affective perceptions of the masses. It …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 28 Dec 05
    • 11:15 am

    In the vain hope of elucidating exactly what I am arguing in this thread, allow me to repeat the body of my quote from Camus: "The evil that is in the world always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence, if they lack understanding. On the whole men are more good than bad; that, however, isnt the real point. But they are more or less ignorant, and it is this that we call vice or virtue; the most incorrigible vice being that of an ignorance which fancies it knows everything and therefore claims for itself …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 28 Dec 05
    • 11:49 am

    As to the 'justice' exception for capital punishment, how is that any different to the capital punishment exceptions of Christians and Jews to "Thou shall not kill"? Or 'just war' doctrines? The problem I have with legalistic arguments such as you present WTH is this: When you split the difference between opposing viewpoints you are giving unwarranted weight to that viewpoint which may be grounded in sophism and falsehood and diminishing the relevance of that based on fact and reason.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 28 Dec 05
    • 12:24 pm

    Jay-Jay; The Shia tradition stems from the private traditions of the household of Mohammed. The Sunni traditions are those of the Generals of the first jihad who were united under Bak'r and the banner of protecting Islam and bringing to justice the slayers of the Prophet's family. They are better understood as the core and the flesh of a single fruit. In Iraq, Sunnis are killing Sunnis and Shia are killing Shia as well. Over a third of the documented violent civilian deaths are directly attributable to US aggression, over a third to criminal activity and less than a tenth to …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 28 Dec 05
    • 7:56 pm

    I abuse statistics? How droll. What about the ignorance, WTH? You didn't know we were talking about capitol punishment, yet you brought it up as a loophole... what did you say?...open to individual interpretation. You apparently didn't even realize that was to what 'justice' was explicitly referring. Your prejudice was doing your thinking for you. Ignorance, amigo.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 29 Dec 05
    • 1:20 pm

    WTH, What name-calling?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 29 Dec 05
    • 3:01 pm

    WTH; You are in error if you think a fatwa is a legally binding declaration, even one by an Ayatollah who is also Head of State.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 29 Dec 05
    • 5:46 pm

    WTH; Any clown can interpret a religious verse to suit his own version of reality. A wise person approaches scripture judiciously. The Koran does not demand the death penalty, it merely allows it, in the course of justice. It allows for the possibility of people to realize the death penalty is not just. Selah.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 29 Dec 05
    • 6:14 pm

    WTH; I am suggesting you are both prejudiced and ignorant. Seriously. I believe I presented credible evidence. Not just name-calling.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 29 Dec 05
    • 6:16 pm

    Actually your own words are the only evidence necessary. I just pointed to where and how they show ignorance and prejudice.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 30 Dec 05
    • 9:08 am

    WTH; Yes, I admit to my own ignorance and prejudice. No, I am not calling you or anyone specifically a clown. And yes I can find chapter and verse to fit my interpretation. It is the fundamental premise of my argument, which for your illumination, I will repeat again: "The evil that is in the world always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence, if they lack understanding. On the whole men are more good than bad; that, however, isnt the real point. But they are more or less ignorant, and it is this that …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 30 Dec 05
    • 9:22 am

    If you still don't get it, the difference is, this pot knows it is black. What does the kettle know?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 30 Dec 05
    • 12:12 pm

    Jay-Jay; The wise recognize the wise, the fool only recognizes his own opinion. You are a flaming idiot. Yes it is name-calling. Nothing disingenuous about it. It is an eponym thoroughly deserved.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 30 Dec 05
    • 1:31 pm

    Jay-Jay; I see only one hopeless troll here. Is that the Multiple Personality Syndrome kicking in?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 30 Dec 05
    • 1:41 pm

    To be fair Jay-Jay, the limit of my knowledge is my awareness that the beginning of wisdom is the recognition of my ignorance. I must confess that I am continually stuck at the beginning since every new thing I learn just increases the awesome and mysterious expanse of what I don't know. You have my sincere willing permission to speed on past me and assault the mountain top. I'll even hold the gate open for you.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 30 Dec 05
    • 3:02 pm

    Jay-Jay; Progress is always there, ready for you to make, compadre. Can you make out the path?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 10:40 am

    I have to repeat something three times before you recognize it and you still don't understand the point of it. You consider yourself knowledgeable, informed, intelligent, yes? I don't believe you are reading anything here with any intention of trying to understand a point of view different from your own. It is not necessary for you to agree. You have strong pre-conceived notions that preclude simple comprehension. A very virulent form of ignorance. Simple it may be, but you prove my point, with your unconsidered denial.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 10:52 am

    Higher intelligence often means only the increased opportunity to make stupid mistakes. Usually mistakes of greater consequence. The ancients called it hubris.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 11:15 am

    Wiley; Having worked with 'criminally insane' inmates, it isn't really true that sociopathic behavior denotes the complete and utter lack of empathy in an individual. Persons suffering from the organic condition of autism in its most extreme form truly lack empathy yet most autistic individuals are 'good' enough to realize they must learn to mimic empathic behaviors to get along in society. The problem with most sociopaths is their natural empathic feelings become inverted. They see themselves as the victims and those they victimize represent their often imaginary tormentors. A lot like Jay-Jay and WTH. They can justify their own hatred, …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 11:35 am

    And WTH; Spare me your bromides about 'violent confrontations' until you've had the unenviable experience of talking down an individual who has already cut three people and is in the middle of a psychotic fugue.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 11:52 am

    Especially when it's not your job, you have no training for it, and there is no one around to back you up.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 1:35 pm

    I have no idea what your experience is. You are the one who made the presumption about my experience. "If you are ever confronted by an armed assailant, youd better hope for one who is longing to be led to enlightenment by you and not one content to remain his ignorant, violent 'more good than bad' self" I do understand your point of view. It nothing more or less than if you get kicked, kick back. It is nothing more or less than the law of the jungle, writ large in the context of international affairs. It is the poster boy …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 3:05 pm

    WTH' I'm not as dissatisfied with the whole of the US as you might think. I do think ignoring one's imperfections and allowing them to fester in ignorance is just asking for trouble. I do consider myself progressive in that while perfection may well be an unrealizable ideal, we are always capable of being better than we are. You seem to think that no one or nothing is ever going to change. It is curious that you think it unseemly of me to disagree. The model I look up to is the one intimated by those rare persons who exhibit the …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 4:00 pm

    Auld Lang Syne Robert Burns 1788 Should auld acquaintance be forgot, And never brought to mind? Should auld acquaintance be forgot, And auld lang syne! For auld lang syne, my dear, For auld lang syne. We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet, For auld lang syne. And surely ye'll be your pint stowp! And surely I'll be mine! And we'll tak a cup o'kindness yet, For auld lang syne. For auld, &c. We twa hae run about the braes, And pou'd the gowans fine; But we've wander'd mony a weary fit, Sin' auld lang syne. For auld, &c. We twa hae …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 31 Dec 05
    • 6:01 pm

    Wiley, I might add those psychological problems are exponentially exacerbated by physical organic factors like debilitating injury, poor nutrition and untreated disease. They are then easily dismissed by the jealously privileged ones who clog the halls of power as filthy, ignorant and uncivilized savages who only understand force. And the circle goes 'round and 'round.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 02 Jan 06
    • 1:40 pm

    We all got problems, WTH. That's the human condition. Another aspect of the human condition is that it is continually changing. As you have intimated, as one gets older one is constantly reminded of one's own impermanence. The older I get the more urgent it seems to me to use whatever time I may have to try and leave the planet a little better than I found it. It isn't really so important I am successful, but that I make the effort. More important still to encourage others to make the effort. The greater society is, after all, the sum of …

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 02 Jan 06
    • 3:55 pm

    No sin in speaking quickly or bluntly if it prevents some greater harm. Sorry if you don't want to hear my sermonizing. How many lifetimes do you think it will take before you no longer are in need of sermons?

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 02 Jan 06
    • 4:10 pm

    If you were truly free from illusion there would be no barrier in your mind about the need to make the world a better place, regardless of your personal limitations. If your desire to protect your own has precedence over your desire to hurt your 'enemy'.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 02 Jan 06
    • 6:20 pm

    Ewww! Wiley. Wonder if that might have inspired Damon Knight's classic short story "To Serve Man"? An appendix to Swift's Modest Proposal maybe? There is something to the faustian notion that great progress is born from great struggle. A reason why 'may you live in interesting times' is considered a curse.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 03 Jan 06
    • 5:45 pm

    Just for you WTH, Jay-Jay; "There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation." ---W.C. Fields "Why Mr. Fields, don't you like children?" "They are very good with mustard." The Moon has very few social problems, but I wouldn't want to live there.

    Posted to Tale of Two Wars
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 9:42 am

    Commies in the closet. Dr.D? In the DLC? Ah, the American talent for misplaced paranoia. There are mind altering substances much more insidious than drugs. Better get those sugar plums tested. There are real Communists in the US. They aren't at all what you think.

    Posted to Evo Morales Has Plans for Bolivia
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 11:05 am

    Lakshmi, I wonder if you're just setting us up for 'Tristan and Isolde', coming soon to a theater near you. Or the new 'King Kong'. Now that's a tragic love story. I have this hunch that the tragic dimension underlying 'merkin culchah is the disconnect we feel between our private and public personae.

    Posted to Cowboys in Love
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 10:26 am

    I just wish to point out here that KV is one of the English language's greatest ironists. Irony is peculiar in that the true understanding of the ironic statement lies somewhere outside a literal exegesis. It is as such a revolutionary challenge to the innately unimaginative conventions of accepted wisdom. For example: "Life is much too important to take it seriously" Oscar Wilde "I'm done with seeking the Truth. What I'm looking for now is a good fantasy" Ashleigh Brilliant When we laugh we confront and overcome our fears. That said: "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Sir Donald Wolfit …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 10:37 am

    And so on.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 10:42 pm

    Wow, Wiley; Ditto what you said. "Real generosity toward the future lies in giving all to the present." Albert Camus Living fully in the present is not, as one might imagine, easy passivity, nor an irresponsible submission to fate. In fact it is very difficult, requiring all one's powers of concentration and discrimination, imagination, resourcefulness and improvisation. It is a constantly moving target. When one profoundly understands that nothing else than the present moment exists and nothing in this moment is fixed, changeless or permanent then one can only act spontaneously out of selfless compassion, as selfishness is above all things, …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 16 Dec 05
    • 1:13 am

    Just south of you, Wiley. At the foot of Mt. Shasta in a state of awe and wonder. You're more than welcome, dear, since you inspired me. "Sometimes the light's all shining on me. Other times I can barely see. Lately it occurs to me. What a long strange trip it's been." Garcia/Hunter

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 16 Dec 05
    • 9:13 am

    Semper vigilans, bopfrog For your girlfriend, (she can change the gender around) just to keep you on your toes.)

    Oh, you can read out your Bible, You can fall down on your knees, pretty mama, And pray to the Lord But it ain't gonna do no good. You're gonna need You're gonna need my help someday Well, if you can't quit your sinnin' Please quit your low down ways. Well, you can run down to the White House, You can gaze at the Capitol Dome, pretty mama, You can pound on the President's gate But you oughta know by now it's …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 16 Dec 05
    • 3:13 pm

    Wiley, When I was a kid, I always thought the silent meaning of the bloody crucifix was 'don't start acting up, or this could happen to you'. Ah, but I was so much older then...

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 17 Dec 05
    • 9:08 pm

    admarshall; 'viva il cazzo duro' is the Italian equivalent of 'a hard man is good to find' but more self-referential. I see I'm gonna have to get a lot more stoned and drunk to catch up with this conversation. Well, Merry Christmas! Hope you don't interpret this as 'incorrigement', but that one was punishment enough.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 17 Dec 05
    • 10:26 pm

    ho! ho! ho! Irie, mon. Not a good idea to try live on the booze, mon. But moderation in all things surely means in moderation as well. Otherwise the holiday season would be damn near intolerable.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 17 Dec 05
    • 11:13 pm

    These infernal comment boxes here at ITT will support some HTML tags. Ya gotta watch out for breaking url lines. Just keeping it slack.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 18 Dec 05
    • 8:23 pm

    "The evil that is in the world always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence, if they lack understanding. On the whole men are more good than bad; that, however, isnt the real point. But they are more or less ignorant, and it is this that we call vice or virtue; the most incorrigible vice being that of an ignorance which fancies it knows everything and therefore claims for itself the right to kill. There can be no true goodness, nor true love, without the utmost clear-sightedness." Albert Camus I recalled this quote in another …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 18 Dec 05
    • 11:21 pm

    Some small hope for democracy and humanity tonight in BOLIVIA! Viva la causa pura! Sure to get Ms. Secretary Condi Rice's panties in a bunch.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 11:10 am

    The advantage of hearing voices in one's head is one is never alone. The downside is the conversation soon becomes predictable.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 7:46 pm

    Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar. Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back? Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified. After a day in the monkey house sparing with J. Clinebottle & Co. on the Tale of Two Wars thread, I could use a blast of total unhindered pure absurd and incoherent craziness to wash over me and cleanse my soul of troll ectoplasm. I think I'll just fix a drink instead.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 8:07 pm

    Thought I'd pass this poem e-mailed today by poet friend, FlyingYachtAngel. Because it came as a breath of sanity and just because I like it burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and wet toooooooooooooo What sweet smell this winter wind brings As sure as the rising warmth of our camp fires We are as aged sweet things ripe in the knowledge of our cares and needs Again we assail the ridges of worry for we call to ourselves again and again Oh woe is the next step; oh woe is the task of worry for it shall be as the cold Always encroaching It will …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 8:57 pm

    Can't wait to work it on the homies tonight when the telly comes on. Looks like 10 minutes or so.... '...and a pony' works well, too. As in 'somewhere underneath all this manure there must be...'

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 9:40 pm

    Luminous - Im hoping you were slyly kidding re your translation.--rocco Well, I guess. Since you were injecting it into what was a bit of a cat fight I thought I'd try to interpret it from a more feminine perspective. Crazy of me, I know. But then, are we really supposed to think you are sane? For any good reason? Your twisted monk story isn't helping. I mean, I love the outdoors and all, but it's raining cats and dogs here and now.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 3:17 pm

    The-Pop; Cannot the preposterous be true? I don't 'know' the absolute and perfect 'Truth' about what went down on 911. But enough serious questions have been raised (once one has culled the wheat from the chaff) to entertain the reasonable belief that the official story is a fabrication. Just based on the laws of physics. Something in my opinion about as genuinely 'knowable' as one can get. Not that there aren't outstanding unknowns in the field, but GM or M Theory do not particularly strike me as applicable in a problem concerning Civil Engineering. But then again, quien sabe? Perhaps some …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 3:31 pm

    "Your Guess Is as Good as Mine"

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 3:59 pm

    re: m goodwin and rocco's slight criticism regarding my friend's poem: It's a bloody poem f'r crissakes. It's relevant meaningfulness in this thread lies behind it's use of metaphor and allusion. Don't blame me if you don't get it. Use your freaking imagination.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 5:17 pm

    Andi--re: My jab Was I too harsh in my admonition for them to think? I'm sorry. Namaste, m. goodwin Namaste, rocco Please forgive me my tone of arrogant and wrathful disdain. I really meant it as a whining pathetic plea. You can kick me if you want. I don't mind.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 6:53 pm

    Just for the record, Andi, I too am one of the guys. Don't be fooled by the handle. Don't try to read too much into it. It's partly accidental, partly an old private joke on me. Yeah, poetry does that sometimes. I suppose it's better than having no effect at all.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 7:51 pm

    hi, nurse minerva, Please, take my temperature first. I'm feeling hot! Andi, another dumb reason you can use or not. *You can draw a little smiley-face for the dot.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 7:56 pm

    doggerel makes me wince. Even when I'm the guilty party.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 8:05 pm

    Since, I am so pretentiously arty.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 8:35 pm

    Ow! Ow! Ow! From now to the edges of time I renounce all the pleasures of rhyme. And if I ever Say anything clever I confess in advance for the crime. They say torture doesn't work!

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 8:48 pm

    Wiley; I'm registered Green, but I consider myself an Anarchist. Or a Buddhist. Or a Bicyclist. Or... Good grief, I'm a freaking menu.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 21 Dec 05
    • 11:01 pm

    Uh-oh! minerva, Close your ears and your eyes all you sane ones. The Goddess of Wisdom has inspired me to quote song lyrics. (with my best Casey Kasem voice) This is a flash from the past, but still timely. From the Chad Mitchell Trio, circa 1964.(pre-John Denver)

    by Michael Brown Oh, we're meetin' at the courthouse at eight o'clock tonight You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft But we're taking down the names of everybody turning left Oh, we're the John Birch …

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 22 Dec 05
    • 2:55 pm

    Rabbit; Think of this thread as nothing more than an emotional outlet. An opportunity to joke and vent and kvetch. Nothing too serious. Mildly therapeutic.

    Posted to Your Guess Is as Good as Mine
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 12:49 pm

    I don't know, Wolfgang. For all you're professed centrist pragmatism, you seem to give a lot of uncritical credence to right-wing spin. To wit: that much of the failure of the response to Katrina was due to Mayor Nagle's incompetence. It seems to me that whatever competence or incompetence Nagle revealed by his actions or inactions was subsumed by the fact of the overwhelming nature of the catastrophe. It also seems to presume that the mayor of N'awlins has dictatorial powers. Though you have correctly, IMHO, moved away from the idiocy of Libertarian ideology, it appears you may have yet been …

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 5:18 pm

    Wolf, I think Nagle's bad guesses in regards to the Superdome and Convention Center debacles had more to do with his believing press reports of gang-banging, rape, murder, looting, etc. than with his lack of management skills. It takes considerable imaginative talent for a white person to understand the overwhelming pressure felt by any black public official to accede to white perceptual bias. The bitter irony here is that after the press had tied Nagle up with their disinfo they turned on him as being incompetent for acting or failing to act on the basis of their own errors. One has …

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 6:05 pm

    Wiley, Meet Jay Cline. Resident troll, extraordinaire. Look closely at his post and you'll see that isn't the only bit of twisted logic he has embedded in that little screed. Hi, Jay-Jay. Glad to see you back from your brief sabbatical. Up to the same old tricks, I see.

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 15 Dec 05
    • 6:53 pm

    Wolf, The levees didn't break until after the storm. The use of the stadium and center were ad hoc improvisations. What pre-planning was in place was made moot by the Feds stalling to provide resources and man-power until days after the levees broke. You can't fault the man for failing to provide resources it was not in his authority to command nor his ability to provide. I think the problems on the ground were greatly magnified by the lack of coordination from the top which led to overwhelmingly poor communication and conflicting information in its absence. This confusion seems from what …

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 16 Dec 05
    • 10:46 am

    Jay-Jay; You slay me! Why do you hate apple pie?

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 16 Dec 05
    • 1:53 pm

    Let me understand this WTH; Thompson writes a retraction of a story he posted on 6/8/03 the very next day on the basis that he was misled in his faith of his single source. So that means Thompson is totally unbelievable for a story that he wrote on 12/9/05 for which he claims three independent sources. You really gotta help me with the reasoning here, WTH. I'm floundering. There is some slight irony in the fact the 6/8/03 article was headlined "White House admits Bush wrong about Iraqi nukes." Wasn't it just the other day that Bush finally accepted responsibility for …

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 11:23 am

    I see a chink in this argument. What was your first slur in the post above? It seems to be a moving target what racist slur is going to be cut. Censorship roulette, eh?

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 20 Dec 05
    • 11:29 am

    What is up with that, O omnipotent webmaster?

    Posted to Torture in the Homeland
    • 07 Dec 05
    • 2:15 pm

    abuse does not justify murder unless it's immediately life-threatening. A.A., I think that is fairly uncontroversial. What is your opinion of the idea that abuse may be a contributing factor in the cause of violent behavior? Isn't that a more important question in attempting to deal with the social phenomenon of violence than mere assigning personal responsibility in any given individual case? In the interests of rehabilitation?

    Posted to Bad Girls
    • 05 Dec 05
    • 11:33 am

    If WTH is still around, he might be interested in some historical background about the CIA and it's surrogates' use of torture. HERE Not a pretty story. I wonder sometimes how it is trolls so frequently insist on absolute proof, when in the real world our understanding of just about anything beyond our personal experience (and usually even then) requires reasonable inferences from both content and context to make rational conclusions. Jay-Jay is a most blatantly egregious practitioner of (bad) reasoning from ignorance. WTH is a tad more subtle in that he presents his view that if such …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 05 Dec 05
    • 11:47 am

    I understand the griping about the humiliating of ones religion, but torture is a source of interrogation, it has been around as long as time and it is quite effective, the Geneva Convention and the UN need to keep their noses out of certain things and this is one of those issues, remember 9/11 these are our enemies. Posted by Robert W. Loken Jr. Torture is effective interrogation? Not the business of the Geneva Conventions or the UNHRC? 911 changed everything? What rock did you just crawl from under Robert?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 05 Dec 05
    • 3:22 pm

    wileywitch, You can call me whatever you want, darling. I've been cussed out by angry drunken CPOs so anything less withering is candy. I was thinking, given Mr. Loken's medieval POV, this torture thing might just be a resurrection of the idea of Trial by Ordeal. Not too funny for witches, maybe? Wodka & cranberry, eh? Reminds me it's the season for Jamaican Rum and egg nog. The house is out of herb right now so I'm down to the local store. M. jagger/k. richards) Lets drink to the hard working people Lets drink to the lowly of birth Raise your …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 05 Dec 05
    • 4:09 pm

    bred as yio dij

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 05 Dec 05
    • 4:13 pm

    Sorry for the little bit o' nonsense. I was trying to get the spell check I just installed to work and accidentaly hit the submit button. It turns on but nothing happens.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 07 Dec 05
    • 2:45 pm

    So Jason, Who do you consider to be 'most of us'? What do you mean by 'crying wolf'? What would you consider to be a rational debate? What is the central question you would ask?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 07 Dec 05
    • 5:55 pm

    Jason, thank you for responding, but I don't see why your perception of the impression of uninformed persons in your personal circle is any kind of valid reason for judgement on the issue. Nor do I understand what you mean by 'unsubstantiated accusations'. Did you not see the Abu Graib photos? Or the Gonzales memos? Do you think the facts presented in William's article are not central? Without context? Lacking magnitude? To wit: "In September, soldiers with the 82nd Airborne gave Human Rights Watch detailed accounts of brutality against prisonersincluding beatings with baseball batsand the refusal of commanding officers to …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 07 Dec 05
    • 7:55 pm

    Thats why Im no longer interested in the other claims most of which Ive never heard. And your justification for making assumptions based on ignorance is...?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 07 Dec 05
    • 7:58 pm

    If you aren't interested, why do you bother to post here? Have you read the article that you are presumptively commenting on?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 07 Dec 05
    • 8:10 pm

    I find it ironic you criticize torture stories ( to which you say you don't pay attention) for not providing context, and then refer to one photograph of an American soldier pointing and grinning at a naked detainee's genitals as emblematic of the Abu Ghraib photos isolated from the context of other photos that show detainees being threatened by vicious dogs and legs torn and bloodied by said dogs, a detainee chained to prison bars in a stress position that led to his death, a hooded detainee with electrodes attached, etc. That's really a shame, and you and your oh-so-intelligent-and-educated co-workers …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 10:42 am

    Jason, You are definitely a first order Islamaphobe. Get over yourself and rejoin the human race. Do you really believe that one can become good by projecting evil and hatred on another? That is definitively pathological. If liberty has any meaning at all, it is that we are all caretakers of our own conscience. There is no power in heaven or earth that can force wisdom upon one or when we have made it our own to take it away. One must make the effort oneself. The first step is recognizing the limitlessness of one's ignorance.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 11:08 am

    I am sure there are hate filled Muslims as there are in any heterogeneous group of human beings. What I am saying is 'remove the log in your own eye before you criticize the speck in your brother's'. Not name-calling. Just calling it as I see it. Prove me wrong and tell me of a Muslim you admire for their humanity and wisdom. I know of many.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 11:24 am

    I'm not a fan of ideological belief of any stripe. Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Hindu fundamentalisms, Straussian monoculturalism, Fascism, Stalinism, Maoism; you name it. I'm even less impressed by anti-ideological ideologies such as the one you explicitly embrace.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 12:21 pm

    A timely tune for Jason:

    Imagine Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people living for today... Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace... Imagine no possessions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 12:42 pm

    Here's another lyric I hope you may appreciate Jason:

    It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) Darkness at the break of noon Shadows even the silver spoon The handmade blade, the child's balloon Eclipses both the sun and moon To understand you know too soon There is no sense in trying. Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn Suicide remarks are torn From the fools gold mouthpiece The hollow horn plays wasted words Proved to warn That he not busy being born Is busy dying. Temptation's page flies out the door You follow, find yourself at war Watch waterfalls of pity roar You …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 2:28 pm

    I've read some Bat Y'eor, Jason. Not a whole lot but enough to recognize her writing for the hate filled one sided screed that it is. All the books that you reference are not books about Islam but books against Islam. Perhaps you could read Sir Richard Burton or T. E. Laurence. The poetry of Rumi and Kabir might give you a broader more inclusive perspective. I don't expect to convert to any religion any time soon, but to paraphrase Patrick Henry; I may disagree with what you believe, but I'll defend to the death your right to believe it. That …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 2:43 pm

    If you want something more modern the works of Idries Shah may be the illuminative dewdrops that could open your consciousness to the infinite possibilities of the Cosmos.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 3:09 pm

    Jason, have you read Deuteronomy and Leviticus? Tell me if Christians and Jews were to insist on the absolute implementation of those texts that wouldn't be as horrific or worse as anything in the Q'uran. They were as recently as 200 years ago. Some Christians and Jews today use them as justification of their intolerance for those they consider heretics and sinners. Should we therefore bomb the fuck out of Tel Aviv and Oklahoma City?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 3:30 pm

    I'm afraid your perspective of Islam and Sufism is purely external. I can't tell you how to get under the skin of one of the planet's major belief systems, but unless you do your understanding will remain fragmentary and incomplete. No matter how scholarly and widely read you become.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 4:01 pm

    wiley, let's not forget the strains of Gnosticism that 1700 years of bloody Christian orthodoxy have been unable to eradicate. (A bone for Rabbit when he rises)

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 4:05 pm

    Something that occurred to me in the shower. Jordan, all your philosophy is but a finger pointing at the moon.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 4:43 pm

    Jordan, I don't believe in believing except for what are reasonable and amendable beliefs in the narrow field of natural science. However, I must confess to being a mystical brat. That allows me a view of all beliefs from a perspective like that from the heart of the sun, or from no perspective at all, if you will. Liberated from doctrine and dogma. It takes great effort, much time and great luck, but I suggest you make it a goal in this life to transcend your externalized (or internalized, if you will) and mere intellectual understanding. Try it you'll like it. …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 7:34 pm

    Good grief! you're right David. So sorry Jason. How unmindful of me. That is amusing.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 7:37 pm

    And for only $37.99. Wot a deal!

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 7:56 pm

    You're generally right about religion, Rabbit. They are all selling water by the river. However, right at the moment I'm listening to a podcast of Puzzling Evidence, the Berkeley radio broadcast of the Church of the SubGenius; the world's first industrial religion founded in 1955 by super-mystic salesman, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs. There is little risk of staying too close to them for too long as Subgenii are constitutionally hyper-flatulent. They always stretch my brain, though. In ways too painful to describe.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 8:17 pm

    You should have been forewarned when Jason spoke so tenderly of Bat Ye'or, Rabbit. The kind of struggle for hearts and minds that one would like to believe would only appeal to Daleks.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 8:19 pm

    Crap!

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 8:20 pm

    Daleks

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 09 Dec 05
    • 1:27 pm

    Wiley, The neuter pronoun in English is of course 'it'. But if you are looking for a gender neutral pronoun there is a choice between 'one' as in 'One is wondering whether one is entirely in possession of one's wits' which works in all persons or the delightfully supercillious first person imperial 'we' as in 'We shan't be discussing this with you any further, you scurrillous scumbag.' We are sure one knows all this, but we suspect one's daybreak deity is not answering one's morning prayers too promptly. Hope the caffeine kicks in before you get to work. That reminds of …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 09 Dec 05
    • 1:42 pm

    As in this little ditty: No tengo tabaco, No tengo papel, No tengo dinero, Dammit to hell.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 09 Dec 05
    • 9:15 pm

    My problem is I haven't been smoking anything. Dangit!

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 10 Dec 05
    • 2:57 pm

    I've known Marine officers whose interpretation of their oath to defend the Constitution is not to defend the concepts inherent in it, but the physical document itself. These guys must be kinda pissed.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 10 Dec 05
    • 4:04 pm

    They really made pretty good sense in a purely military sort of way. It's hard to establish a defensive perimeter around an idea. You gotta have some kind of physical point of reference. Regimental colors have provided this from time memorial. Not stupid so much as unimaginative. There are way too many otherwise intelligent people who only see the denotative and have no room for the connotative.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 10 Dec 05
    • 10:50 pm

    Damn, my well thought out reply to Wiley didn't go through, damn it. Anyhow Wiley, I'd rather hear what you think I meant. Rabbit's idea was interesting. "Draw near to me with your lips..." A real shotgun hit is the best way of interfacing.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 10 Dec 05
    • 11:17 pm

    Yoh Eudora I know. I usually save before I post. I just got lazy, or stupid. (not in steve martin's sense though. double darn!)

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 11 Dec 05
    • 2:35 pm

    Wiley, You got it on your first try. I'm so glad. I don't think I could have put it that succinctly without seeming trite.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 11 Dec 05
    • 9:45 pm

    Many decades, Eudora. I was just searching for a quote by one of the Dulles bros. to the effect that Somoza may be an SOB, but he's our SOB and found THIS Just a brief exposition on the fruits of the SOA. p.s. Wiley, I enjoyed your photo walk, too. Is that central Oregon?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 11 Dec 05
    • 10:13 pm

    Eudora; While you're looking for a wingnut to beat up on you might like to make up a buncha these. Deelish. 'Speshly if'n ya outta herb, mon. I be havin' much fun all afternoon with a certain Troll (really, that's what he calls hisself) and his blog buddies over at Jesus' General. You might like to join in.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 12 Dec 05
    • 12:03 am

    I hope this means you're gonna let Nattie dangle for a while over at 'It's the War', Rabbit. I'd like to see how much rope she lets out before she hangs herself.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 12 Dec 05
    • 12:55 am

    Them's some badass Russian furry-tailed rats, alright. If you're up for some trollwacking, Rabbit there's a live one over at the 'Real Case For Israel' thread. Eudora's whomping him pretty good. I gotta go beddy-bye so's I can drive over to the beautiful Free Republic of Humboldt en la manana. Have fun.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 12 Dec 05
    • 10:04 am

    THIS is a fine piece of writing on the overview of our current situation. I love John Ross's & if I had the money for gas I'd run down to Mendocino just to shake his hand. I'm still saving that Lennon/Ono interview until I can get the proper consciousness adjustment, Rabbit. It looks too delicious to just imbibe straight.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 13 Dec 05
    • 2:01 pm

    Whatever it was you were going to say, Wiley, it got me thinking. Jesus' General is the fictive resident persona of the eponymous blog which is a parody and satire site devoted to lambasting the Religious Right. Sometimes he can be pretty funny. He's got a host of regular commentators who are also adept at the art of parody. They draw their share of trolls, naturally. One thing they do is, if a troll has a blog, to storm it with pointy barbs of ridicule. Trolling the trolls, so to say. This can be great fun. Wikipedia has …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 13 Dec 05
    • 11:44 pm

    David, as witheringly ascerbic and sarcastic as you can be (please note my sarcasm), I've never known you to be inflammatory or disruptive (barring the occasional timely comic relief). It may be you have yet to fully embrace your inner troll. I love trolls, tam bien. I must confess it is a love sometimes tempered by the kind of love B. Kilban's cats have for mousies. I can't truly express my effulgent delight, joy, and happiness to see J. Cline has returned to the fray.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 11:08 am

    What kind of drugs do you think John of Patmos was on?

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 4:58 pm

    Oh, I think John was co-opted alright. Revelations can be read as an initiatory Mystery Play in the Gnostic tradition as well as a self congratulatory Prophesy of the Universal Church Triumphant. That vision of Heaven is repeated in the symbolic representations of all spiritual traditions in the world of the Sacred Spot. The immanent presence of the sacred in the world. The cross representing the four cardinal points that define one's place on Earth, inside a circle representing the infinite, complete, transcendent reality of the Cosmos to which that particular Spot relates. The principle, as above so below. Meaning is …

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 19 Dec 05
    • 5:22 pm

    David, Have you ever run across THIS interpretation? Blew my socks off back in the '80's. Some disciple of Gurdjieff whose name I can't recall off hand, as well.

    Posted to Torturers R' Us
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 12:22 pm

    Lakshmi, Thank you for your insightful review. Brings to mind memories of the many disaffected ex-grunts who sheltered and protected me from the bother of FBI surveillance in my underground days. Also my ex-marine sniper roommate who always slept with his weapon of choice, a Browning 12ga. automatic with a 16in. open choke barrel. Sniping in Nam was different. Living and dealing with his homicidal pathology was a real eye-opener. He's grown a lot over the years and is now a moderately successful independent trucker, a Buddhist, and working on his ninth marriage. You've inspired me to re-read The Red Badge …

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 2:03 pm

    You know Marion, Jay-Jay my pet. You just don't know you know Marion. Ooh-rah. I was a Navy brat myself. Enough of a taste of the military life for me. When I lost my 2S draft classification my Dad, a Lt. Commander in the USNR, offered to buy me a plane ticket to Sweden. I sometimes wish I'd taken him up on his offer, but I told him it was my duty to stay at home and face the legal consequences of taking a stand against that war. Only time in my life I made my Dad cry. So where and …

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 2:50 pm

    No apologies necessary, you silly goose. The embarrassment and humiliation has all been yours. For everyone, I thank you. It has been fun.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 3:12 pm

    Again and again, obliviousness is your most endearing quality, sweety.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 19 Nov 05
    • 6:53 pm

    yes, scorpy, only the US counts. But why doesn't Hank the K go to Brussels any more? google US war crimes. 31+ million entries. Go ahead, scorpy, do some research, I double dip dare ya.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 20 Nov 05
    • 9:22 am

    Scorpy, the appropriate section of the conventions is under Customary Laws not the particulars of article III:

    The following are rules applicable in all conflicts, regardless of whether the countries in question are signatories of the Geneva Conventions and regardless of whether the warring party in question is recognized as an independent state. Warring parties must obey the rules spelled out in the common article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which requires that prisoners of war and wounded combatants be protected from murder; discrimination based on race, religion, sex, and similar criteria; mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; humiliating and …

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 20 Nov 05
    • 9:53 am

    That Ramsey Clark is without any authority or standing and something of a nut-case is a view popular among conservative demagogues. The fact is, he is a former Attorney General of the United States of America, the son of a former USAG and Justice of the Supreme Court, a former president of the Federal Bar and a licensed attorney accredited in the State of Texas, The US Supreme Court and the International Court of Justice. Scorpy, you are something of a nutcase, based solely on your misinformed ravings in these pages.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 22 Nov 05
    • 11:45 am

    Wolfie, we can only resist the irrationality of war by creating the conditions for peace. There is nothing to submit to, but our own ignorance. It is not the path of least resistance, by any measure.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 22 Nov 05
    • 1:12 pm

    Wolfie, We can only do what we can do. There is little we can do unilaterally. Cooperation and the spirit of cooperation are essential. Failure is no reason to stop trying. If the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles had not been construed so punitively, WWII may have been avoided. As I have said before what might have been has little significance in deciding what should we do now considering what has happened. The moniker represents my aspirations, it shouldn't be construed as self description.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 22 Nov 05
    • 4:48 pm

    wolfie, I'd rather think we can free ourselves from the seemingly external controls of fear and dread (the dogs of war). While liberating ourselves from our selfishness is something we can only do for ourselves, it would be a lot more difficult without the guidance offered by the many who have gone before. Sometimes I am successful, sometimes I am not. I only learn how by making ever anew the commitment to try in the conscious embrace of my own inestimable ignorance and unconscious fears. May I ask the etymology of your nom de plume?

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 22 Nov 05
    • 5:38 pm

    Thank you, Wolfgang. Best of luck on your own path toward enlightenment.

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 24 Nov 05
    • 10:24 am

    It's Thanksgiving Day here in the US. A day to reflect on our relatively brief national history. A day to seek atonement for the legacy of genocide and slavery upon which our country has been founded. A day to celebrate the many small and large victories on the progressive path toward true democracy. A day to soberly confront the substantial obstacles that we have yet to overcome. A day to energetically renew ourselves in the difficult struggle that we must embrace until the day we can honestly say all men and women are free and equal. A day to stuff our …

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 02 Dec 05
    • 7:34 pm

    Hola, compadres; Been away in Sackamenna & places south the last week, making sure a couple of turkeys did not die in vain. Got home to find the magic box acting up. Just changed my server over to Firefox & am now able to access my Yahoo e-mail where I get my ITT notes. Just getting caught up. Seems quiet & chummy. Where are all the trolls? Thinking about Santy Claws, I betcha. Briefly checked out your website, Rabbit. Interesting. I'm a triple Libra/Earth Ox. I'll be sure to post a comment when I get a little rested up. Traffic in …

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 02 Dec 05
    • 11:16 pm

    David' I too would like to extend apologies to J, scorpy, whatthehay, wolfie, Natasha & all the trolls, shills and troglodytes in Greater Blogostan. I'm truly sorry you are all so lame. I sincerely mean that. Kidding aside, I have to admit I have grown fond of po' Jay-Jay. He's so much like the little fellow who tries so hard to show how cool he is and fails so regularly and so utterly one cannot help but admire his chutzpah. There is somewhere a real human heart behind all these characters. It is at the same time both tragic and hilarious …

    Posted to When Boys Will be Jarheads
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 7:45 pm

    Dude.... I know that monkey. You've seen this joke David, but I thought it might lighten wolfie's bummer mood.

    Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another. After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said, Son, you know eating all that candy isnt good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat. Little Tony replied, My grandfather lived to be 107 years old. The man asked, Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time? Little Tony answered, No, he minded …

    Posted to Cops and Harm Reduction Hotties, Oh My!
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 7:50 pm

    Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another. After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said, Son, you know eating all that candy isnt good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat. Little Tony replied, My grandfather lived to be 107 years old. The man asked, Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time? Little Tony answered, No, he minded his own fucking business."
    Clumsy me.

    Posted to Cops and Harm Reduction Hotties, Oh My!
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 7:51 pm

    Well, that didn't work out too well.

    Posted to Cops and Harm Reduction Hotties, Oh My!
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 9:13 pm

    There's a Latin American expression I've heard. 'He who sleeps with an elephant sleeps lightly'. Be considerate of poor scorpy. He has to sleep with the elephant of his own conscience. The possibility of his own complicity in the horror death and misery that is the history of US intervention in this hemisphere is just too painful to contemplate. His need is to shout down that still voice of conscience that is eating away at the psychic armor of his misplaced loyalties. Is it too much to ask to give the poor guy a little space to rant? It's really only …

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 10:00 am

    Like all bullies, Scorpy believes might makes right. As long as he's the one holding the stick. It's interesting that the cruel tyrant (read, democratically elected president), Chavez, gave away a million plus barrels of oil to the US markets to alleviate the shortages caused by Katrina. He has also made an offer to provide gas and heating oil discounts to low income US residents through Citgo gas stations. It's curious how the evil and inefficient socialist policies of Chavez have created the highest economic growth rates on the planet. It's no wonder the Bushies hate his guts.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 3:24 pm

    Talk to the HAND, scorpy, baby.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 6:42 pm

    Big ELEPHANT TRACKS en America del Sur. Anyone remember the Venezuelan prosecutor blown up by terrorists a year ago. Seems at least one of the worms has turned.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 7:14 pm

    If anyone is interested, HERE is an interesting and critical first hand account of Venezuela's Bolivarian Revolution written by one of the US's leading anarchist thinkers.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 3:12 pm

    Straw men soaked in blood. Stalin, Mao, & Pol Pot were communists. S, M, & PP were bloody dictators. Ergo, all communists always support bloody dictators. Do you really need this syllogism analyzed, scorpy? Try this one: Sukharno, Duvalier, & Pinochet were bloody dictators. The US supported S, D, & P. Therefore, the US sometimes supports bloody dictators. or: Allende, Arbenz, & Chavez were all democratically elected leaders. The US plotted to overthrow A, A, & C. Thusly, the US does not in principle support democracy abroad. Which arguments are true and which one …

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 3:32 pm

    Correction: should be Suharto, not Sukarno. I'm always getting my Indonesian dictators mixed up.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 4:01 pm

    And then there was Saddam Hussein. I know you don't want to read all this 'socialist' 'propaganda' so I'll post a little bit:

    In the quotations collected below, the name of the leader who was assassinated is spelled variously as Qasim, Qassim and Kassem. But, however you spell his name, when he took power in a popularly-backed coup in 1958, he certainly got recognized in Washington. He carried out such anti-American and anti-corporatist policies as starting the process of nationalizing foreign oil companies in Iraq, withdrawing Iraq from the US-initiated right-wing Baghdad Pact (which included another military-run, …

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 4:14 pm

    And what is it I'm supposed to learn from an * who can't even formulate a proper syllogism?

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 8:30 pm

    Really, scorpy, why don't you show off your superior learning and intelligence and do the analysis? You do have a talent for redundantly repeating redundancies again and again. It's like deja vu all over.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 8:48 pm

    I'm not accusing you of anything, scorpy baby. I'm just trying to encourage you to think.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 9:36 am

    I'm not interested in 'your' analysis, scorpy. I would like you to do a proper analysis. Believe me, I dont find analysis amusing. Analysis is dry as dust, but it's the necessary effort of rational minds. It's a job of work. You prefer making unsubstantiated assertions based on unreasoned opinions, that's OK. But you aren't fooling anybody. The traces of intellectual laziness are all over your posts.

    Posted to U.S. Military Eyes Paraguay
    • 09 Nov 05
    • 11:51 pm

    omranz, I think Levine is distinguishing between the conventional radicalism of ideological militant reactionaries like Al Queda, and novel transformative radicalism like the examples he cites. Al Queda is really a kind of Neo-Con movement in Islam. They are not really concerned with religion as much as religion's usefulness in selling their marketing scheme. Jay, rapped/wrapped/rapt in the latest fad of Neo-Con ersatz fantasy has, per usual, totally missed Levine's point. Levine's moderates. hee hee. I love you, Jay. You make my life shine.

    Posted to Islam Needs Radicals
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 11:59 am

    Please expand on the joke Jay-Jay. I'm in utter awe of your comic genius. Which cheap jab at the Neo-Cons? I thought I was using the Neo-Cons to make cheap jabs at Al Queda and your humble self, but I must bow to your impressive interpretive skills.

    Posted to Islam Needs Radicals
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 2:25 pm

    I've got to commend you for that sudden confessional burst, Jay I really think I understand your mobius mind a little better. Half twisted circular reasoning. It fits! You're only a single step away from digging unbounded topologies. Maybe we can jack you up to n-dimensional Riemann surfaces and bombard you with discrete indeterminacies and singularities. With enough iterations we'll soon map your pattern of chaotic attractors and paint the fractal image of your personal Lorenz butterfly. We'll make a mensch out of you yet, Jay. And don't worry, it won't hurt hardly a bit.

    Posted to Islam Needs Radicals
    • 15 Nov 05
    • 10:44 am

    David: The Sunny Side of Life by A. P. Carter. Father of June Carter Cash; portrayed by Reese Witherspoon in the soon to be released flic Walk The Line. This I gotta see. Just had to come back with this. I just can't help myself, sometimes, (well, most times....):

    Bright Side of Life --- Eric Idle Always look on the bright side of life. [whistling] Always look on the light side of life. [whistling] If life seems jolly rotten, There's something you've forgotten, And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing. When you're feeling in the dumps, Don't be …

    Posted to Islam Needs Radicals
    • 02 Nov 05
    • 10:53 pm

    I don't call you names WTH, I merely insinuate. I am just happy to be helping you overcome your alienated, depersonalized condition and feelings of helplessness. Don't lie, it makes you feel alive when I shred your arguments, doesn't it? A little flushed, a little passionate; it's a natural high, no?

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 12:40 am

    You talking to me, punk? I own you, bitch.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 1:50 am

    But seriously folks, the War on Drugs is the biggest scam in history. If it weren't for prohibition, illegal drugs would be cheap as dirt. No money for the smugglers and corrupt officials who get the bonanza profits, or the mob distributors who make the big volume sales (contrary to popular belief, most street dealers are not rolling it in. Just like everybody else at the bottom of the heap, except they avoid lots of taxes and paperwork, don't have a boss, and can more or less set their own hours). Set up controlled and reliable harm reduction and rehab centers …

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 2:07 am

    Confused, Jay. Tell me, what else is new? I've given you the benefit of the doubt, Jay. Walked you courteously around the block three times. Chased you off of every stoop and out of every alleyway. And you are still obstreperously oblivious. You've become my favorite clown. You're my Flakey Floont. I love you, man, but you're dumber than dirt.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 9:52 am

    Jay, I'm beginning to realize you are personally the reason all the Lake Woebegone children are above average. You bring down the curve for the whole state. Ja, you bet! I spent the summers of my youth roaming the eastern slopes of the Sierras, where the saying was: Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. I kid you so only because you remind me of a sheep. (I apologize for the pun) If you really want to influence your congressman, get a group of like-minded individuals together, write up a simple and clear petition or declaration, and personally …

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 11:52 am

    I stand corrected, cabron. The gals in rural Nevada are attractive enough. They just tend to be well armed. Puts the cowboys off their game.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 04 Nov 05
    • 12:42 pm

    If anyone has a few bucks to spare these folks could use your help keeping the investigative spotlight on the cruel absurdities of the War on Drugs.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 06 Nov 05
    • 8:44 pm

    Actually Jay, modern drug regulation began here in the good old USA in 1906 with the Food and Drug Purity Act and the 1914 Harrison Act outlawing opiates and Cocaine. Years before the League of Nations was more than a kernel of a notion. Harry J. Anslinger was almost single-handedly responsible for the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act as well as the unilateral effort by the US to make drug prohibition a condition of favorable treaty status. Well after the League had collapsed into meaninglessness. So, what was your point Jay?

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 07 Nov 05
    • 12:12 am

    That's right, Jay. Good boy! My pleasure, and looking forward to the day when you no longer are in need of assistance.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 07 Nov 05
    • 9:58 pm

    Alas Rabbit, the fruit always ripens when it will. All we can do is cultivate; healthy soil, plenty of water, plenty of sunlight, the occasional judicious pruning. It is good that the dazzling duo provide plenty of fertilizer.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 10:36 am

    I love a mystery. Does it have to do with free will and change? Karma? Can we talk about it without giving away the farm? Would I be close by saying some seeds when sown land in inhospitable places, others on fallow ground? Or that from a tiny seed the mighty oak does grow? A seed planted in the darkness puts out deep roots and strives toward the light? I need another hint. It isn't any mystery that the common troll finds his greatest satisfaction by hijacking a thread away from sense and sensibility and into a flame war arising from …

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 6:13 pm

    Oooooh! That mystery. Is my face red. Never mind.

    Posted to A Foul Tragedy
    • 09 Nov 05
    • 10:55 pm

    Rabbit, what can I say? You completely took Jay out of context and left out the best part:

    Fear is not in my vocabulary. The closest I can come to that is Loathing
    Loathing! What a man, my sweet Flaky Jay-Jay. We should be more considerate. It's not a good day for Republicans in the ol' Twin Cities.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 12:11 am

    It all makes me appreciate just why HST had his ashes blown out a giant spud gun.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 1:11 am

    I really kind of like the idea of there being nothing left behind but a smoky cloud and the smell of a stinky old fart. Tres chic.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 11:00 am

    Cwazy Wabbit! My family owned a cinnabar mine on Monitor Pass. The store room of the old homestead was full of dynamite and blasting caps, rolls of det-cord, jugs of sulfuric and nitric acid, access to limitless quantities of cellulose plus a few packages of Knox gelatin, and little adult supervision. Needless to say, in retrospect, I'm grateful my cousins and I managed to grow up with all our fingers and noses.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 11:30 am

    yes, beowulf, stop taking it so personal. Jay-Jay not only has difficulty discerning the corn from the chaff, he regularly fails to see the forest for the trees. Be kind to Jay-Jay.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 9:13 am

    The one admirable quality I can attribute to Jay is consistency. It doesn't matter that he's consistently goofy. Goofiness is another quality I can at least appreciate if not admire. Thank you again, Jay. For all the mirth and amusement you so unwittingly provide.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 9:23 am

    I think you're right about the chromosomes, Rabbit. There's undoubtedly some anal-retentive cellular biologist out there who would be finicky about there being 23 chromosome pairs, but screw him.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 2:45 pm

    Speaking of "passing gas", Jay-Jay. What a stinker!

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 2:50 pm

    And thanx for the implicit endorsement of what in the anthropology trade is known as tribal communism. Fine wine from the Cline Bottle.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 10:10 am

    Rabbit; You've got my permission to slap down Jay anytime you feel like it. I'm not jealous. Scorpy is such a tedious old bore though. I think it best if we just talk about him behind his back, so to speak. El que esto chingador y chingada tambien. Solo solamente. He just eats up the editorial page of the Moonie Times and all the freeper chatter and regurgitates it here. It's a service really.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 1:59 pm

    This quote might help to understand the world's ambivalence to Colin Powell's UN assertions about WMDs: The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them [which] we are missing. Gamel Nasser

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 10:18 am

    scorpy, Nasser was a leader in the non-aligned movement and throughout his rule played the Soviets against the West and vice versa. But I guess in your "if'n youse ain't wit' us, yer agin' us" mentality, he qualifies as a stooge. I'm beginning to believe the ad homina backstab is the only tool in your belt. By that I mean you dismiss an idea by denigrating the authority and character of its author (you thought it was just name-calling, didn't you?). I'm not a great defender of Nasser. He was a tyrant and a fool in many ways. His willingness to …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 11:39 am

    Good find, beowulf.

    Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings. Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 1:39 pm

    I found this interesting and informative essay on the history of Islamic Science . It touches directly on some of the issues raised on this thread. When considered in the light of the Bush Administration's misuse and abuse of Science and what has been happening in Kansas and Dover, Pa. is quite illuminating of the lugubrious forces modern Conservatism has unleashed upon the world. I hope Jay, WTH, and scorpy will read it and offer their invaluable feedback.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 2:36 pm

    I tend to think it was Nasser's and after him to a degree Sadat's suppression of the IB that led them, briefly, and more enduringly, the subsequent splinter groups to violence. It was his prison experience that led Sayyid Qutb to embrace militancy. You'd be well served to study a little history independent of right wing propagandists. As I've noted before, he who hears only one side of an argument is effectively conceding from the beginning. From Wikipedia:

    Politics of Egypt Founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna, the Egyptian Brotherhood quickly became a large charitable and educational organization …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 2:51 pm

    I guess the best response to that bit of nonsense is that Nasser is long dead and the Ikhwan is still around. Violence isn't a product of any philosophy, but an emotional reaction to prior violence. Any rationalization of violence is just that, a rationalization. It's just tit for tat and it's been going on for thousands of years. You can put an end to it with your mind if you are willing.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 14 Nov 05
    • 8:38 pm

    Blah. Blah. Scorpy, you are a broken record. You are a fly in amber, frozen in a simulacrum of the past. Your anti-communism is as much a metaphysical invention as ever doctrinaire marxist-leninism was. No more or less addled. George Monbiot has a sane appraisal of the "death count" controversy in last Tuesday's Guardian:

    The media are minimising US and British war crimes in Iraq The reporting of the Iraqi death toll - both in its scale and account of who is doing the killing - is profoundly dishonest George Monbiot We were told that the Iraqis don't …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 14 Nov 05
    • 9:04 pm

    "A tongue like a cow, that can make you go WOW!" Yes, that sounds like our scorpy.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 14 Nov 05
    • 10:19 pm

    HERE is a succinct lesson in the equal opportunity nature of atrocity for Jay-Jay & scorpy baby. Scroll 2/3 to the bottom of page and enjoy the white column on the right under; "WE LOOK FORWARD TO STRENGTHENING MILITARY TIES" DONALD RUMSFELD Feel free to poke around. Codescru is a national treasure. Reason enough to rebuild N'awlins just so he can write there.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 15 Nov 05
    • 12:08 am

    The heart of darkness in the fog of war. Every soldier, even McNamara and Rumsfeld, begins his life as a civilian, in a society where arson, illegal entry, wanton destruction and murder are not only felonies but heinous crimes. Suddenly in uniform, wandering around in his own personal fog of war, a soldier realizes that all those feloniesarson, arbitrary killing, demolition and torture--are company policy. And he works for that company! Nave once, a million years ago, the fog of war clarifies for each soldier. Armed with a rifle and a constantly changing outlook each enlightenment. To become a Kurtz or …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 15 Nov 05
    • 12:12 am

    between each and enlightenment insert ...day, chooses between a heart of darkness and sudden...

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 15 Nov 05
    • 12:48 am

    David. Hooo hooo ooo ah ha hee hee hooo! Try .org If you don't hear from me for a while, I'm going into the goth sites...

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 2:41 pm

    Ah. Jay-jay. I must warn you. You're treading on thinner and thinner ice with every word you write. Your ethical postulations and speculations bear as much relevance to a real dilemma as a freshman private school Ethics class's consensus on the morality of stealing bread does in the mind of someone who hasn't eaten in three days. Please consider going back and re-thinking what you have said with this critical tool in mind.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 3:21 pm

    My, my, my Jay. After all we've been through, how can you be so inconsiderate? Your intransigent obliviousness is so obvious both here and there. Truly a prodigious talent.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 4:31 pm

    Not at all, Jay. I've learned from experience how pointless it is to attempt to cut through your sophomoric inadequacies and intellectually dishonest cluelessness and converse with you in a rational manner. I'm merely content to point out to others the fabulous self-ironies you commit to these pages. For example; how above you boast of your superior abilities to think independently and form coherent thoughts for yourself, blah, blah, blah. You then proceed to present rote regurgitations of the most banal conventional opinions imaginable and defend them with the weakest, most supercilious rhetoric it has ever been my dismay to witness. …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 5:26 pm

    Now you are just being redundant. You have my answer. Respond if you are able. If you can't, you can't. It is that simple.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 6:26 pm

    Actually David, considering Jay had just at that moment in time surmised my 'secret' it may, if made consciously, have been one of Jay's wittier remarks. If unconscious; still pretty funny.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 6:44 pm

    Kinda misogynist, though.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 8:47 pm

    It's all good, David. I was laughing then and I'm laughing even more now. I hope Mobius Jay is getting a good laugh out of it, too. I have a feeling he didn't really believe you until I started talking about my draft status. Can't explain it. Like woman's intuition or something. I can picture the light going on over his pointy little head. You did a good thing, David. You pricked his conscience in a way he felt the need to apologize. Unfortunate that I should so cruelly throw it back in his face, but he has much more serious …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 9:17 pm

    As an addendum to what Rabbit said: If we were to apologize sincerely for our mistakes, and commit ourselves to open negotiations with all factions of the resistance with the only caveat of expediting our speediest withdrawal in the most peaceful manner we might give the Iraqis the example and the confidence to resolve their hostilities in a less vengeful fashion. As long as we are aggressively going after the 'bad guys' and innocent Iraqis are caught in the crossfire the cycle of grief, anguish, and revenge is replenished. It really makes zero difference what any of us in our safe …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 9:32 am

    Up early this morning, Jay-Jay. Nothing abusive about my reply to your 'challenge'. I apologize if you find my criticism harsh. Every word is sincere and, I believe, perfectly true. This is a matter that you have displayed consistently and unerringly over time. If you wish to gain my trust you are going to have to make an effort. I am willing to offer you the opportunity. The misogynist reference was to your 'teats on a fly' remark. Was that not abusive? Was that not an attempt to insult me after I made a friendly effort to warn you that you …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 9:55 am

    P.S. David didn't really make any gender assumptions. He was unsure so he asked me up front. I answered him obliquely but obvious to anyone with half a mind. You were busily pontificating on that thread, so the only thing you have to blame is your own obliviousness.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 10:18 am

    No Rabbit, Mobius Jay won't pop. He'll just twist and squirm in his oblivious fashion. Odds are he will try to accuse me of avoiding the point of his nerf ball ethical 'argument'. The very last thing he will do is confront the reality of his well established profile. In this he is merely human, all too human. I know Jay-Jay doesn't like quotations, but I think Bobbie Burns said it well and most appropriately in his poem "To a Louse"

    O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! It wad frae monie a …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 10:29 am

    What can I say, Rabbit? Great minds think alike. Though separated by the Earth's solid bulk, Soul brothers meander in their consanguine ways.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 10:40 am

    Kuya, Your rhetoric is fine by me. Clear, elegant and to the point.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 11:10 am

    I really like your little boats, Rabbit. I'd like to make one myself, someday. I took a heads-up from your rotational moulding technique. It may be useful for a project I'm working on with some compadres for a little event we hold up here in the Northstate. If we can fabricate molds cheaply enough.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 11:59 am

    What did I tell you, Rabbit? For the record, Jay, I disagree. One cannot wave one's hand and divorce the act from the intent. What you call justification is mere rationalization. If one intentionally kills in self-defense one is just as culpable as if it were over a donut. It may be excusable if it is the only option available, but that doesn't make it morally right. If death or suffering is the result of one's actions, even if is not one's specific intent, one is still culpable. No amount of self righteous posturing will alleviate the consequences of one's actions. …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 12:13 pm

    A simple answer to your question to beowulf, Jay. You kill someone and their suffering is arguably over. You torture someone and the suffering is with them for life. I am not making this up out of some abstract ontological cloth. It has been my vocation in the past and may be yet again to deal personally and directly with the suffering of those who have been tortured and also the suffering of those made into killers by misplaced loyalties. I've learned through hard lessons there is nothing I can do to minimize their suffering except give them the space to …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 1:02 pm

    Only you are responsible for putting yourself in an extreme situation, Jay. If you had ever been in an extreme situation you would know there is nothing but ambiguity, uncertainty and confusion. One will consider himself lucky to get through it physically unscathed, but one is a fool if one doesn't realize the price one has paid with one's innocence. You can plead ignorance, you can say you were misled, but it is only an excuse. It is no remedy. Still waiting to hear your response to my questions.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 1:17 pm

    Oh, I don't know Rabbit. I think Jay has the normal human quotient of empathy. He is just fearful and jealous of it. He keeps it concealed behind the armor of what he believes is his objectivity. It is just a strategy to protect his self from the subconscious guilt and fear he is repressing with his unwillingness to admit his complicity in the general suffering of the world around him. He doesn't want too appear soft, lest he be taken advantage of while in the same instance making himself infinitely gullible. Same old crap we all have to deal with, …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 2:31 pm

    Jay: It is the sad hard truth that only when a rape victim confronts and takes responsibility for her/his vulnerability, can he/she can begin to heal from her/his experience and begin to take steps to minimize and overcome that vulnerability. I've learned this from experience, Jay. Not from gas bag arguments. We do not disagree on moral precepts. You believe that you can argue morality based on naive abstract truisms. What are ultimately only imaginary inventions that bear at most the dimly seen and grossly distorted reflections of truth. I have learned that moral behavior arises from the reality of suffering. …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 3:02 pm

    Once again you display your penchant for profound misunderstanding. I have said most clearly that there is absolutely nothing I can do to force anyone into taking responsibility for themselves or for their actions. All I or anyone can do is encourage them to do so for themselves. Assigning culpability, holding them responsible, does nothing to bring that about. Assigning culpability is what you substitute for moral behavior, not me. Still waiting for you to reply to my first response. I'll repeat it in case you forgot: Ive learned from experience how pointless it is to attempt to cut through …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 3:46 pm

    Jay, It is one thing to accept your precepts for the sake of argument. It is another to accept them on principle.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 3:51 pm

    Notice I didn't make any hard and fast judgments about culpability in the example you quote.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 4:02 pm

    No, no jay, your dishonesty is very much the issue. I make no bones about it. What judgment I privately make about how that affects your credibility is moot. The sarcasm I use to point it out is entirely deserved. The fact that you have blatantly displayed that characteristic over and over for anyone to see is a matter of record in the ITT archives.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 4:52 pm

    If you read carefully, I don't have any moral precepts to disagree with. Morality arises in due proportion to one's honest appraisal of the actual human condition. Not as a consequence of intellectual argument, but from the organic growth of one's personal realization of one's own intrinsic empathic awareness. Accepting this as a rational argument is totally insufficient. Killing another human being is always a failure of moral responsibility. We all share in every such failure. Each of us are capable of taking personal responsibility for making what efforts of which we are capable in overcoming such failures. Didn't we go …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 4:59 pm

    As a simple thought experiment, Jay, ask yourself this question. Are you sincerely attempting to understand a mind that works differently from yours, or are you just superficially scanning what he writes for what you percieve as argumentative weaknesses in order to attack his position?

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 5:13 pm

    As was said by John Donne, ever more so eloquently than I: "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 17 Nov 05
    • 10:06 pm

    Jay-Jay: I repeat, morality is in the intent. But whether it is in the intent or in the act, as you have alluded to in the inseparable nature of action and moral responsibility, you are asserting moral precepts. You are defining morality. Alluding to the inseparability of the two precepts of your provenance, which I again must remind you I accept only for the sake of argument, is not even making a distinction between them, much less making any moral distinction based on any principle that I have asserted. By saying that morality is not the exclusive domain of either of …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 18 Nov 05
    • 3:57 pm

    Jay-Jay, We have very different moral philosophies, based on very different precepts, yet the one precept I put forward you are in total agreement with, so you say. Pardon me if I believe you possess less than total understanding. I am only saying that the precept you are championing provides a less than adequate description of morality. I certainly am not saying, as you seem to imply, that morality doesn't exist. I'm saying that its existence is not dependent on your nor my nor any particular philosophical hypothesis. My understanding is that human moral development and our limited understanding of that …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 18 Nov 05
    • 5:33 pm

    Ah, Jay-Jay, but my mind is an open book, and yours is your exclusively private domain. Or so you would like to believe.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 18 Nov 05
    • 9:50 pm

    Henry "Ragtime Texas" Thomas Fishing blues Bet you're goin' fishing all of the time Your baby's goin' fishing too. Bet your life that your sweet wife Will catch more fish than you. Many fish bites if you got good bait Here's a little tip that I would like to relate Many fish bite if you got good bait. I'm a-goin' fishing Yes I'm goin' fishing And my baby's goin' fishing too. I went on down to my favorite fishing hole Baby, grabbed me a pole and line Pulled my pole on in, caught a nine pound catfish And I brought him …

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 20 Nov 05
    • 8:06 pm

    In due respect and consideration for our resident expert in metaphysicotheologicocosmolonigology, the Hon. Dr. Dr. Prof. J. Clinebottle, I present: Allan Uthman's latest essay: ETHICS 666 Guaranteed to illuminate, elucidate, educate and amuse.

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 22 Nov 05
    • 10:03 am

    "Swans sing before they die; 'twere no bad thing Did certain persons die before they sing." Samuel Taylor Coleridge

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 08 Dec 05
    • 11:50 am

    Natalie, You are ignorant. You live in a black and white world to which you have conceded your own conscience. Unable to think for yourself, you rely upon an external ideology of hatred for anyone or any thought that conflicts with your unquestioning belief. In this you are no different than the most deluded Islamic fundamentalist. Those who you believe in are those who would manipulate you for their own ends. Wake up!

    Posted to Democrats: It's the War
    • 07 Nov 05
    • 8:48 pm

    David, thanx for the illusion, that was neat.

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 8:49 am

    Prospero, Jay-Jay, is a not just a troll, he is a flippant crucible. Knee jerk reactions are about all he is capable of since his mouth is not connected to his brain. Intellectual honesty is a foreign concept to the likes of Jay. His 'logic' is only of the circular non-sequitur kind. He admits of no evidence in any matter that doesn't a priori agree with his assumptions. It doesn't matter how thoroughly and explicitly one explains his errors, he will never concede a point. He is more likely to project them on his interlocutor. Witness his interaction with SteveHeath in …

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 11:27 am

    Here you go Jay. The ACLU speaks for itself. For long pursued legal challenges to the marijuana laws specifically you would be best informed by going to NORML . All these lawyers have been working this issue for decades. But that doesn't make a whittle of difference in your closed little mind, does it Jay? The black hole where reason is forbidden. Propero, name calling is pointless but I think you will find making *****'s like Jay the butt of relevant joking is if not productive, helpful in maintaining one's psychic balance. You are being reasonable, …

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 12:04 pm

    There is interesting news on the medical marihuana front:

    Cannabinoids have antiproliferative effects on cancer cells and may one day represent a new class of anti-cancer drugs, according to a scientific review published in the October issue of the journal Mini-Reviews in Medicinal Chemistry. The administration of cannabinoids and endocannabinoids - particularly in larger concentrations - have been shown to inhibit cancer cell growth in rodents and in human cell lines, including the inhibition of lung carcinoma, glioma (brain tumors), lymphoma/leukemia, skin carcinoma, colorectal cancer, prostate cancer, and breast cancer, the review found. It noted that cannabinoids, including the non-psychotropic …

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 12:19 pm

    And just in case you are thinking of dismissing such as insignificant Jay, these aren't isolated studies. They are being confirmed by both laboratory and epidemiological research. Do a little research. It won't hurt you to be informed.

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 4:26 pm

    No Jay, you haven't the wit for repartee. You instead try to derail the discussion with inane and irrational drivel presented in a manner of thinly disguised arrogance and superiority. One would think one would familiarize oneself with the Constitution and the legal process a teensy wee bit before objecting to others arguments, don't ay think? Exactly! Please forgive my poor attempts at ridicule. I shall strive to make them more robust. It's hard work to misrepresent statements that are so utterly lacking in meaningful context and content. Best wishes to you, too. And the 'argument' is already over. Re-read what …

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 11:45 am

    Jay, the problem they have is that you aren't the only one out there who is denser than dirt. Go to a LEAP meeting and try to pay attention. There is the remote chance you might learn something.

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 12:21 pm

    O Jay-Jay, The question de jure is the right of personal use, not commercial use. Put that straw man back in your pants.

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 10 Nov 05
    • 12:48 pm

    I hope it wouldn't be too much to ask of you Jay to consider the more enlightened policies of some European countries such as for example:

    Germany There is no distinction between hard and soft drugs in German law. Drug use itself is not a criminal offense, however acquisition of drugs is a crime, regardless of the amount acquired, resulting in one month to four years imprisonment and an "appropriate" fine. In practice, the courts often waive prosecution if drugs are obtained for personal use. The amount which qualifies as acquisition with a view to personal use is …

    Posted to Liberalisms Brain on Drugs
    • 28 Oct 05
    • 8:29 pm

    It is hard to believe the conservative movement is falling apart right before our eyes, we've all become so conditioned to expect them to do the most egregious crap and get away with it. It has been an era of Reagan's 11th commandment, with extraordinary message discipline by all Republican factions keeping scrupulously focused on the single message a small circle of leadership has put forth. But the news of late seems to indicate that is changing. From the rare exposure of dirty laundry during the failed Miers nomination, through the burgeoning criminal scandals seeming to grow geometrically, to the unceasing …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 28 Oct 05
    • 8:32 pm

    Damn! scorpy baby

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 28 Oct 05
    • 8:34 pm

    What happened to our mark-ups. damn, damn, damn.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 1:22 pm

    You are correct, Neruda, it is a semantic question. But not entirely a distinction without a difference. The modern Conservative Movement is an alliance of various generally conservative and more reactionary factions. Each faction fervently believes it is the 'true conservatism'. Their cohesion has been based on a heretofore unquestioning party loyalty supported by simplistic semantic sloganeering that effectively obscures the lack of real ideas that underlies the movement as a whole. As Sirota says, the cracks are beginning to show. The past success of this specious sloganeering and the gross mental confusion it has caused, not to mention their craven …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 1:45 pm

    A song for scorpy:

    We are the hollow men We are the stuffed men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! Our dried voices, when We whisper together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass Or rats' feet over broken glass In our dry cellar Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion; Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost Violent souls, but only As the hollow men The stuffed men. T.S. Eliot

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 30 Oct 05
    • 12:25 pm

    Geez, Jay; aren't you the fine one to talk about hypocrisy? As I wrote above the Liberals can get credit for inventing the circular firing squad. Get ready for some real Republican fun! I would slur additionally that it is arguably the inherent destiny of any mass movement to fray, fragment and decay. It happened to the progressive movement, it happened to the labor movement, it happened to the 'New Left" and now it is happening to the conservative movement. If you want a more thorough treatment of this idea I suggest you get a copy of "The True …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 31 Oct 05
    • 8:13 am

    Progressive Conservative. The oxymorons flow like piss down a drunkard's leg.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 31 Oct 05
    • 11:06 am

    There is already a word for progressive conservative in our political lexicon. It is liberal. But that won't get Newt Gingrich the Repug nomination.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 01 Nov 05
    • 10:46 am

    Yes Jay, the rats (the last of the Dixiecrats) are leaving the ship. A long needed housecleaning. Suddenly the ship is light and buoyant, and this old leaky hull is magically repaired. There's room from you if you can leave behind your sexist, racist, homophobic and other stupid, self-serving prejudices. Otherwise, don't bother to apply.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 01 Nov 05
    • 11:38 am

    Values and decency like THIS? Or THIS? I could go on all day. Ah! I love the smell of desperation in the morning. It's the smell of victory!

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 01 Nov 05
    • 11:40 am

    OOPS!

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 02 Nov 05
    • 11:33 am

    WTH; Why does the nationality of the prospective child matter? Isn't it enough that the mother is in need of pre-natal care? Is nationality a valid determiner of the limits of compassion? It isn't everyone's view that we gush sentimental over the welfare of a zygote, but don't give a fuck about the woman of whose body that zygote is a part. That is the peculiar stance only of the anti-abortion crowd. Sorry, but I don't get the "Everybody Loves Raymond" reference. Is that where you got the "you're not a person yet" line? A better line is that of Bill …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 12:21 pm

    I think it depends on the woman, and what she decides. Not you or me or some other people. It's called freedom. That IS how it IS. (P.S. Pre-natal care is for the health of the mother, on which the health of the fetus is totally dependent.) Sorry to mess with your clever bit of irony, but it just isn't that clever. I love the whole ensemble except Raymond (the character, not the comedian). I think he's a putz.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 2:03 pm

    I'd rather just eliminate all border restrictions, but go ahead and start promoting a constitutional amendment if that's what you really want to do. Good luck with that. Sorry, I can't agree to any definition of personal responsibility that includes abandoning people in need. Personal responsibility arises out of social responsibility. Without it, it is just selfishness. A prescription for narcissistic solipsism, alienation and mutual distrust, leading down the spiral of discord and conflict. One's sense of personal responsibility may extend only to one's own family or one's own friends or one's own tribe or religion or one's own nation; but …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 8:23 pm

    WTH: All that I can truly own is my conscience. Everything else is just stuff that in a moment can be taken away. If everywhere was like Sweden the 'freeloaders' (what a judgmentally loaded word! One would think you had interviewed every single one of them and determined none were willing to make any effort on their own behalf) wouldn't have to flock anywhere, would they? I also believe the best aid you can give anyone is the means to help themselves. That still doesn't come cheap. But its value is light-years beyond its price. Don't you think you have a …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 04 Nov 05
    • 10:17 am

    MM: I think the problem is we've moved the conversation into the deep end of the pool. The goofballs are up against the fact that they don't know how to swim. It is a problem when one substitutes the oceanic comfort of partisan opinion for the rigors of rational thought. Jay, what is with your sudden reluctance to be redundant? It has never bothered you before.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 04 Nov 05
    • 12:22 pm

    That's clever, Jay. Do you even understand what Major Major is saying? Do you? Perhaps you have a well reasoned response to the unanswered questions I have posed to WTH. No? More sophomoric insults, maybe? Bring'em on. (to coin a phrase)

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 04 Nov 05
    • 1:22 pm

    Sorry, Jay. I'm just not interested in giving you a forum to re-invent the wheel. Or do you mean to discuss the sideline about the ACVR? If you have anything new to add to this conversation, just do it. I must admit I find your sudden reticence to put your foot in your mouth encouraging. There may be hope for you yet.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 04 Nov 05
    • 4:10 pm

    WTH: For the record, I've been homeless myself. Never had to resort to panhandling, but got to know many panhandlers from an eye-to-eye level of understanding. As opposed to your petit bourgeois self-righteous aura of superiority and dismay. Panhandling isn't easy. Besides imagination it requires a level of existential humility of which I'm afraid you are incapable. I always give a little change if I have it. We had our garage broken into this spring. Though the police were trying they really weren't much help. Having friendly relations within the lumpen proletariat is what led to our recovering two chain-saws and …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 05 Nov 05
    • 1:00 pm

    Major Major: Scorpy and li'l Jay-Jay don' wanna hear no extended metaphors. Too hard...make brain hurt...SHUT UP! Like scorpy ever had an original idea in his freaking life. Kansas is just a place, like any other place.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 05 Nov 05
    • 1:05 pm

    That link didn't work out like I planned, but the effect is kinda cool, in an unintentional way. Maybe this:

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 05 Nov 05
    • 1:22 pm

    Go here. Scroll down to Chris Hume "Red State Road Trip" Day 8. Click on your preferred video link.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 05 Nov 05
    • 7:04 pm

    That's just too sad, scorpy bambicito. Buck up. Remember, you're not a loser...you're a winner....you're not a loser...your a winner...you're not a loser...you're a winner...you're not..............*................You are just another poor dumb fuck like rest of us. Get over it.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 06 Nov 05
    • 12:16 pm

    MM: You beat me to the punch on the Tripp essay. scorpy's and the utterly establishmentarian New Republic's reflexive inability to accept the results of several competing scientific polling agencies serves only to obfuscate the implicit revelation that as Bush's and the Republican Congress's approval goes down, respondents increasingly report themselves as being more favorable of the Democratic Party. This is hardly surprising. The problem of such superficial criticism of polls is that the algorithms involved are both highly complex and jealously guarded by proprietary concerns. They can be inferred by extrapolation and interpolation of the internal results over time, but …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 06 Nov 05
    • 12:51 pm

    From what I've read by people who are expert in demographics and statistics is that the one putatively non-partisan organization that consistently reveals partisan bias is the Gallup organization, and that bias is toward the Republicans.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 06 Nov 05
    • 5:21 pm

    MM: Thanx for referring to the Zizek article. I hadn't read it since it was first posted so the comments were all new to me. Besides gaining insight into the whole Lacanian metaphor thing, I increased my admiration for the sheer tenacity of our brethren who live under bridges in clinging to their untenable beliefs. A flash of recognition of this ever-recurring pattern is revealed in the comments in the recent Garrison Kiellor article where Dumbo, Dizzy, and Daffy, predictably, given their mostly unconscious libertarian predilections, could not help but agree with the premise of the article, but …

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 06 Nov 05
    • 7:03 pm

    What scorpy baby ought to be asking himself is why does the corporate media present poll data in such a way that such a specious and easily disproved criticism can be almost effortlessly deduced?

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 06 Nov 05
    • 8:23 pm

    I'm sorry you feel so oppressed and personally violated, li'l Jay-Jay. Pobrecito. I sure don't want you to stop posting your brain-dead blather. It's all a ready made example of the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the Conservative Movement. You make it so much easier than going to the comment sections of LGF or FrontPage, NRO, etc. to find examples of the lunacy of the wing-nut mind. There's only so much toxic rant I can endure. You are all I need. Deny it all you want, but you'll always be my sweet Flakey Floont, Liebchen.

    Posted to How the Right Has Won
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 9:23 am

    Jay: Why do you think the PC poll is unscientific. Because your son is a statistician hardly gives you much standing to make such a judgment. Did you have him make a thorough analysis of the methodologies and metrics? I didn' t think so.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 9:57 am

    If you want to educate yourself on some of the thinking involved, HERE is a place to start.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 11:08 am

    Sorry, Jay, I must have confused you with some other fool. I'm feeling too lazy to backtrack, this morning. What is a 'populist' standardized test? Are you referring to the SAT? Stanford-Binet? Your sarcasm is a bit thick and witless, as usual. C'mon yerself. Just because it has a website doesn't make it junk either, does it? I re-took the test. My score was -6.25, -6.21. A bit more centrist than what I remember from when I took it last winter. I was originally surprised myself that I was tagged as such a radical. I know my political idealism is anarchistic, …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 11:19 am

    Not having a statistician son doesn't give your opinion much scientific standing, does it? Maybe it was WTH.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 11:53 am

    1)The statements are fuzzy (evidence for that is in the comments being made by many people who took the test) This is evidence that people are fuzzy on the concept. Could you be more obtuse? 2) What value is the test as a true multidimensionality when the old LEFT RIGHT poles are left intact? Are you saying there is no difference between collectivism and individual competition, anymore? What are you saying? Do you know? I don't. Multidimensionality requires at least two axes in a Cartesian system. Perhaps you could redesign it using polar co-ordinates or vectors. that would be interesting. 3) …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 11:56 am

    Yeah, I'm lazy.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 11:56 am

    And careless, obviously.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 12:19 pm

    From wikepedia: The straw-man rhetorical technique is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to your opponent. One can set up a straw man in several different ways: Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and pretend that the original has been refuted. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted. Present someone who defends a position poorly …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 1:14 pm

    Hi, David. Happy to be here. Do you think that your recent results invalidate your previous results? Or are both possibly valid and worthy of consideration? I think the results are different snapshots in time. As the variation is <1 the differences are probably insignificant. Do you think the difference between strongly agree and agree is the degree of conviction. Niggling and wriggling room. And that a change in degree of conviction is not dishonest? Yes. As long as the change of conviction is honest and not just an attempt to rig the results. One can honestly change one's view from …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 1:53 pm

    I am saying that to label the defining difference between LEFT and RIGHT as collectivism vs individual rights is not only presumptive on the part of the creator of the compass... It's presumptive and dishonest to change the definition of the right pole to individual rights rather than individual competition, which is how they define it if you could read. What is collectivism? Is it a group of people who come together for a common purpose? or is it strictly governmental imposition of collectivism? According to the site, it can be either. Again with the reading comprehension. The Red Cross …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 2:44 pm

    Where your argument breaks down, WTH, is that these aren't questions with a limited range of answers of which one may choose, they are statements to which one can agree or disagree. This removes the subjective bias for which the ordinary run of surveys, particularly the kind of push polls used in advertising and political campaigns, are so famously and justly susceptible. You might like to consult your son. Or a psychologist. Not because I think you're crazy, you understand. To get a perspective on subjective bias that an advertising person, whose job as I understand it is to create subjective …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 3:24 pm

    But (ad nauseum), the compass paints libertarians in contradictory colors, first as strictly on the RIGHT and then as a spectrum that encompasses both the LEFT and the RIGHT. To repeat myself, Libertarianism is obviously referring to the CapitalistLibertarian movement. Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, et. al. Do you not believe there are left libertarians, or what? Libertarian is one pole of a spectrum whose other end is Authoritarian. It's the up/down spectrum, not the left/right spectrum. I can keep this up all day. We can see who throws up first. You dont think so? Where did that come from? a …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 3:48 pm

    Jay: Perhaps you could send an email to the PC folks, and tell them you find the libertarian/libertarianism thing confusing. they just might change it to Randian Objectivism or some such. Or they might just laugh their asses off. Facetious sarcasm, again. I know.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 4:01 pm

    I think it might help if you understood the shaded italicized words Neo-Liberalism (libertarianism) are examples meant to clarify what is the actual label, i.e. 'Right'. Right? Right.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 4:48 pm

    Regardless of the facetious intent (which I do appreciate), it does in fact call into question the competences when you ascribe an answer and conclusion to your own questions without knowing if the son or statistician actually did the research. You blatantly assumed that because the conclusion was one you disagreed with, that the research could not have been done. Not really. More of a challenge to put up or shut up. I took the chance of being wrong, but I really liked the odds. Still do. My error was in thinking you were the one with the statistician son. That …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 4:52 pm

    Clarity is not a word I would use about the compass.....If one uses multiple meanings for the same word, then that isnt clarity in my book Just to clarify... libertarian and libertarianism are not the same word.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 9:01 pm

    WTH: I dont know what you read, but the questions I answered called for COMPLETELY subjective response. Well then, I don't know what you read but the political compass quiz is a series of statements, not questions, I repeat, they are not questions, to which the responses are agree/disagree. They are intended as a measure of your subjective political belief. The statements are statements that reflect various political, social and cultural biases. By your voluntarily providing honest responses to these statements, by agreeing or not agreeing (this is a measure of your bias not that of the statements), you generate an …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 11:39 am

    WTH: Question with inherent bias: Did you know WTH is a fascist homosexual pederast? Statement without implicit bias: WTH is a fascist homosexual pederast; Agree/disagree. For the record I disagree, but only because I have no evidence to indicate otherwise.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 1:11 pm

    Just to clarify libertarian and libertarianism are not the same word. Posted by luminous beauty on October 24, 2005 at 4:52 PM ------- No arguement here. Whats your point? Posted by Jay Cline on October 25, 2005 at 8:51 AM ------- Jay: Why do you think the PC poll is unscientific? Posted by luminous beauty on October 24, 2005 at 9:23 AM ------- How can a Libertarian be pinned to two separate poles? The RIGHT pole to the east is sublabeled libertarianism contrasts with the LIBERTARIAN pole to the south (which is sublabeled Anarchist)? Posted by Jay Cline on October 24, …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 1:31 pm

    Jay: A rabbit may be rabbit-like, but rabbit-like is not a rabbit. Get it?

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 1:43 pm

    Explicitly: Adherents of Libertarianism (a rightist political movement) may all be libertarians, but not all libertarians are adherents of Libertarianism.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 2:17 pm

    Nothing fuzzy about it, Jay, except the surface of your cerebral cortex. Your mind is on vacation, but your mouth is working overtime. Give it up, already. If you do have anything closely resembling an even tangential valid point it is pathetically trivial, to be generous. There is nothing more obvious than that we both could be doing better things with our time.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 3:58 pm

    Jay, you're welcome. David, not at all. I didn't have to jump in. I did try to toe a line between you guys. I'm happy you two have repaired your little contretemps. Hopefully it will serve as model for some of the folks here, on how rational beings resolve their differences.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 12:00 pm

    Jay, That's so sweet.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 12:58 pm

    Jay, think nothing of it. It's your confusion, not mine, anyway. Just to be clear, this is a response to your response to my response to your response to Rabbit's admonishment on block quoting.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 2:07 pm

    I have to admit I find you fascinating, Jay. At least in an anthropological way. You are not an unintelligent or completely witless person, yet in intellectual debate you display less a fundamental grasp of reason and logic than the average Borneo tribesman. If you were to show the same level of cognition in your ordinary life you undoubtedly would represent a grave risk to yourself and others. It does seem a be a recurrent characteristic in many of those who identify themselves with the conservative movement. Particularly those who like to make themselves obnoxious on left-wing websites. I can't decide …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 10:17 am

    It would seem that WTH is only willing to listen to rock hard rigorously deductive arguments supported by verifiable reproducible evidence. His only use for inductive reasoning, it would seem, is to show that inferences cannot be absolutely proven in the above fashion. This is a naive and disingenuous view. What he is saying in effect is; since you cannot prove that the sun will rise tomorrow, even if it has risen every morning since time immemorial, then one is in error for believing it will come up tomorrow. It is not immaterial to point out that the sun doesn't actually …

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 11:58 am

    WTH: I also was watching at the time, so I guess that must prove in your twisted reasoning that I was in on the WTC attack also. Do you claim you saw the first plane hit? That would only prove that you aren't too observant. Something already proven.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 31 Oct 05
    • 11:44 am

    WTH, good point. Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Now we can try to determine just how stupid the Bush Administration would have to be to explain all these pesky unanswered questions.

    Posted to Partisan War Syndrome
    • 20 Oct 05
    • 11:03 am

    tyrrhen: Love your 'blabby badinage' and all your Prof. Irwin Coreyisms. I respect the Zionist desire for a Jewish homeland. I just think it was a colossal blunder to insist they had to steal it away from another people for putative religious reasons. They could have been welcomed with open arms in Western Canada, or even East Africa. Although comparisons with Nazi and Israeli atrocities may in someways be appropriate, it only serves to make Israeli nationalists like our friend ariram see red. A closer connection can be made to Apartheid South Africa. One aspect of overbearing anti-semitic propaganda is the …

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 1:27 pm

    I thought a bunch of the Neos were Jews for Jesus. That would make y'all anti-christian to boot. Shameless.(cluck cluck) How about anyone who demonizes anyone is anti-human? Wouldn't it be anti-human to call them anti-human? Rotten, corrupt, and surreal. One ray of hope, IAF, all those panels and investigations you mention have happened outside the Judiciary. Unfortunately for the defendants, the Judiciary has been stacked by years of conservative rulings in favor of the prosecution.

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 11:01 am

    Turdbooger, about the only thing I can say about your ranting of baseless opinion is that you are so full of shit it is coming out your nose.

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 8:30 pm

    Edithann: Turdbooger doesn't look any less asinine when he's on topic. Is his ad hominem about a 'PUBLIC institution' referring to UC Berkeley? How asinine can one get?

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 01 Nov 05
    • 8:42 am

    Ooooh! Ooooh! It's Assram with a wicked judo move on Edithann....but....wait....Edithann isn't there....and Assram falls heavily on his assram. Turdbooger....waiting in his corner for his chance to kick Edithann while she's down....kicks Assram right in the neck. Ooooh! It's getting wild in the ring folks....the crowd is rolling in the aisles!

    Gift Of Insults There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him. One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined …

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 2:27 pm

    truthteller: I don't mean to distract from your otherwise admirable screed, but I've had lots of personal contact with living Native Americans struggling to recover tribal lands deeded by treaty unilaterally abrogated by the US and various state governments. They've maybe had more success than the Palestinians, but still have a long path to walk. But go on.

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 11 Dec 05
    • 12:52 pm

    Why bother, Edithann, By his own admission johnnysenseless is an amoral fuckwad.

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 11 Dec 05
    • 9:07 pm

    If the US was invaded and militarily defeated johnnyjingo would just sit on his thumb and say 'oh well, nuttin' i c'n do about it?' No underground? No resistance? Just craven submission. What a patriot!

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 11 Dec 05
    • 11:11 pm

    But you would not fight anymore if the US lost the war, because your 'willingness' and by inference your 'unwillingness' to comply with the demands of the winners would be 'totally irrelevant'. Perhaps you'd better spit out your gum. You aren't making yourself too clear.

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 12 Dec 05
    • 8:39 am

    And apparently a rather weak straw in the army of straw-men in the Neo-Con vanguard. I'm disappointed. I was hoping to wake up this morning and see our johnny entangling hisself in endless cul~de~sacs of quid~pro~quos. Well maybe his mommy made him go to bed and like Ahnold, he'll be baahck. Good job Eadora! you have been saving it up.

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 12 Dec 05
    • 8:56 am

    I really like that word 'fissiparous'. Hope to team it up with 'fractious' and 'fulminating' someday. Is alliteration a disease? Or the rule of three?

    Posted to The Real Case for Israel
    • 12 Oct 05
    • 10:32 am

    Jay: No one is saying the Religious Right have to send their children to public schools. No one is saying parochial schools have to teach secular values. You say they are justified in insisting on the right to 'voluntary prayer' in public schools without saying what that means. In truth, there is no force on earth that can effectively forbid voluntary prayer as it is the silent act of an individual's inner thought. Do you mean something else? One wonders if you are at all cognizant of the formal paradox of your statement vis~a~vis intolerance. Inferring from the poor level of …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 12 Oct 05
    • 3:15 pm

    "That is the issue, people. No matter how much one accuses of me of obfuscast(ing) facts to draw facile and erroneous comparisons, isnt that exactly the argument methodology and logic being employed to counter my arguments?" No, it isn't. Are you just being contrary to be contrary? You aren't making even the slightest bit of sense.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 12 Oct 05
    • 4:20 pm

    There is already enough coercive pressure on students, forcing them into prayer; it's called the pop math quiz.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 15 Oct 05
    • 10:34 pm

    Wow, folks! We've got a real nastie in the house. This tune's for you scorpy-baby: Well, John the Baptist after torturing a thief Looks up at his hero the Commander-in-Chief Saying, "Tell me great hero, but please make it brief Is there a hole for me to get sick in?" The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly Saying, "Death to all those who would whimper and cry" And dropping a bar bell he points to the sky Saying, "The sun's not yellow it's chicken" B. Dylan

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 17 Oct 05
    • 9:36 am

    I've been holding back on the supreme irony (or smoking gun?) that Leo Strauss, the root guru of the Neo-Cons, was one of those bourgeois German Jews that supported Hitler. He even applied for a position in the Nazi government. The Straussian political philosophy is identical to Fascism with the minor caveat of the racist component being transfered from anti-semitism to anti-islam.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 17 Oct 05
    • 10:20 pm

    Strauss never actually fled Germany. He took a series of academic posts that took him from France to England to the US. It was while he was in France, I believe, when he asked Carl Schmitt to help him secure a government job in Germany. Schmitt arranged to get him a Rockefeller grant instead. It's not that conservatives are particularly humorless or unable to perceive the form of irony. They are just hapless at combining the two. If leftists had no sense of humor, they all would have blown their brains out a long time ago.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 9:41 am

    chopper: Glad to see you've finished licking your wounds and are back in the fray. Have you checked out 'Rhapsody in August, yet? How about the Hayek essay? I posted the entire thing on this thread. Did you read it? Have you checked out Political Compass. How did you do? The Wilbur book? Here is a website that might give you a clue: http://integralinstitute.org/ You said you have somewhat exotic tastes, well here you go. Revel in the exotica.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 9:42 am

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/ It's cool, everybody. Check it out.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 10:16 am

    chopper: It is amusing that you think that the worker's co-op that I'm associated with, which did over $5M in business in the last fiscal year, the co-housing collective which keeps my basic living expenses below $400/mo. and the local Food Not Bombs group of kids I help are lovely floating abstractions.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 1:43 pm

    PROOF that lefty Yanks aren't totally humorless!!! http://tinyurl.com/9vy7h Kaninchen, do you get The Daily Show Down Under?

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 10:11 pm

    Bitte schoen, meinen Freunden. Ja, ich lese eines bisschen Deutsch. You are right again, David. About the basic humanity of humor. As has been said: "Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are and what they ought to be." William Hazlitt I tested at -7,-7; Emma Goldman country.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 10:36 pm

    Thinking of Hazlitt reminded me of the Russian take on Hobbes: Life is cruel...but brief.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 19 Oct 05
    • 11:32 pm

    Oh! I'm with you, Rabbit. In fact, I declare, Humans are just another kind of critter. Many the dog I have known with more wit than his master. Hazlitt was relatively enlightened for the 18th Century, especially next to Hobbes.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 20 Oct 05
    • 9:15 am

    http://www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html The Bush Administration hasn't just threatened Chavez. In April of 2002 they almost took him out. My how we forget. chopper: The prime difference between honest Anarchists and the Randian wolf-pack is that we wish to diminish the coercive power of the STATE. We generally agree on the need for good governance. The Lew Rockwell folks want to eliminate government, but somehow, (no one has ever been able to make clear to me) preserve a powerful police state in order to protect their ungodly accumulations of private property. Still, I admire Ron Paul for some stands he has made. The …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 21 Oct 05
    • 10:53 am

    ConejoEspiritu, I second you on the smiley-faces, and would add blinking, freaking personal icons. I can't help but think those things are inducing pseudo-epileptic brain freeze in large swaths of the populace. Great stuff about the mark-ups. chopper: "Ayn Rand was not an anarchist." Thank God for small favors. She is the Queen Bee of the Anarcho-Capitalists, however. Most prominent in their pantheon, along with Von Mises & Hayek & Eric Hoffer & Bob Heinlein. I love Bob Heinlein, tambien. If you'd like to end income taxes, you should read his first book which is also his last published. It's titled …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 21 Oct 05
    • 1:51 pm

    whit, you're making me blush. I'm just an old hippie. David, I must say you have my utmost respect and admiration for the stand you have taken and the hard row you have chosen to cultivate. May your endeavors be limitlessly fruitful. neruda, keep on keeping on, compadre. Your namesake is one of my all-time heroes. GeistKanninchen, I think you're rabbit ears .....^^...... are way cuter than any smileyface. AnarchoSozi, please stick around. You're perspective is much appreciated. Finally, thank you Natalie, chopper, Jay Cline and all the trolls and shills who post here. It is only with the salt of …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 9:06 am

    chopper, chopper, chopper, what will we do with you? I think all of us have the capacity for evil, in religious terms it would be called original sin. Don't we also have the capacity to do good? Have you achieved the peak and perfection of knowledge and wisdom? Are you no wiser or knowledgeable than when you were an infant? Is there not the slightest chance that you are capable of becoming little more generous and kind? Are you enslaved to your opinions or are you free to change your mind? Yes, human nature has always been like this, mutable. …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 9:30 am

    Here is a simple question for you chop. Which personal philosophy do you find more admirable? I want to leave the world a better place than I found it. He who dies with the most toys, wins.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 12:25 pm

    Scorp: Given this choice would you rather be poor and happy, or rich and miserable? If you can answer that question honestly to yourself, then I have done some little thing to make the world a better place. I am dedicated to working for the happiness of my self and others. It doesn't bother me if you don't appreciate it, nor does it please me to win praise from others. (Stop it, guys. People who know me might see this, and I'll never hear the end of it.) I find meaning in what i do I and that is my satisfaction. …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 12:42 pm

    If A Fundamental History Lesson

    • 22 Oct 05
    • 12:47 pm

    Damn! How about this: YAY!

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 7:17 pm

    chopper; au contraire, mon ami. You have just made me a little more hopeful. A certain amount of passionate disagreement is a good thing. It's only when the guns and clubs and knives come out that things get out of hand. I'm sure that steady working at the margins will eventually lead to the center of the page. Give us another 500 years or so and then we can get together and compare notes. Until then, one can only do what one can do. I do admire some aspects of the NRA such as teaching gun safety. I just think Wayne …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 7:35 pm

    "North Country" is a great movie by the way, for man or woman. Lotsa Bob Dylan on the soundtrack.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 7:52 pm

    chopper: As for changing people who don't want to change. Change itself will take care of that. Don't underestimate the power of simple human kindness. Maybe pick up Kurasawa's Yojimbo and watch it with that theme in mind. If you smile at me, I will understand. Because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language David Crosby

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 9:31 pm

    This book was not in favor among leftists for a long time because it painted communist influence in the Spanish Civil war in a bad light Some leftists, chop. Put down the broad brush, will ya, please? You really don't think the Trotskyites and Anarchists, much less the democratic socialists of various stripes, have been singing the praises of Stalin all these years, do ya? I can't recall even Tisa saying much effusive or extravagant about the Soviet influence in Spain. I am much obliged for the oblique support for the Republican Cause, though. Every little bit helps. No Pasaran, …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 9:47 pm

    When, instead of calling them rivals or enemies, we can call them our equal or friend it is not them that have changed for the better, it is us. That's going on the fridge. Thanx, David.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 10:21 pm

    And I dont really expect to be around in 500 years You and I may long gone, but we will still be here. Don't be so impatient.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 11:24 pm

    Wilkerson dismisses the Administration's attempts to improve America's image abroad. "You can't sell shit," he said. A totally unnecessary slur on America's manure salesman. They've really lost it, now. It can't be said often enough: A good lie will have traveled half way around the world while the truth is putting on her boots. -- Mark Twain

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 22 Oct 05
    • 11:50 pm

    chopper: No, you didn't say 'most'. You said, "This book was not in favor among leftists". Not most, not some, not some crazy old guy you met at a bookstore, once. I don't mean to be picky, but you seem to have this annoying habit of thinking you somehow have earned the right to speak collectively for people towards whom you have shown not the least respect or dignity. Please accept this as constructive criticism. And for God's sake, quit trying to paint everything as a body stacking contest. Shit is shit. Lord help you if you ever get caught in …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 23 Oct 05
    • 11:36 am

    Ok, chop: You've got one Stalinist apologist on record who didn't like Homage. As much for personal reasons as political. The CPUSA and all their 'fellow travelers' plus the various Stalinist micro-factions have never been anything more than a tiny minority on the left, a small minority of American Communists. Together with the Maoists they don't add up to a fraction of just the most dander-headed factions of Trotskyites. Stalin's policies caused a lot of disruption to the CPUSA, and most old Reds I've known were very sanguine about 'Uncle Joe'. The more militant tended to reflect Dulles' infamous quote about …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 23 Oct 05
    • 3:41 pm

    Why I Am Not A Conservative, by F.A.Hayek, Nobel Laureate

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 23 Oct 05
    • 3:54 pm

    This might be of interest to anyone curious about the Spanish Civil War and why Orwell's account was widely discounted for so long by the mainstream, left right and center.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:02 am

    chopper: You know, I really need to make it more clear when Im being facetious It was perfectly clear to me you were being facetious. In a very snide and assumptive manner, too. But I don't care. Now I'm being facetious.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:05 am

    P.S., keep your head down, mate. It looks like another real blow. And the wing-nuts keep saying Global Warming is a leftist myth. Hah!

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:08 am

    Why do you think Chomsky is a horses ass? Something you read at FrontPage?

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:00 pm

    Who let the straw men out? Who? Who? Who let the straw men out?

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:11 pm

    Chew on this, freaks:

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:17 pm

    Chew on this, freaks: Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy. The 14 characteristics are: Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:18 pm

    Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 4:23 pm

    EmitFlesti: Coming as it does from someone, who to all appearances, dwells in the lugubrious nadir of intellectual dishonesty and vapidity, your criticism of Chomsky is high praise indeed.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 4:46 pm

    Substance. Its also worth pointing out that without Big Business you and others on the Left wouldnt have the very technology that allows you to broadcast you anti-Big Business ideology across the globe in mere seconds! "When it comes to hang the capitalists they will compete with each other to sell us the rope at a lower price." Lenin Gee, maybe you're on to something.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 4:58 pm

    One ad hominem, deserves another. Come into my parlor and start kicking the dog, don't expect politesse.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 5:10 pm

    Anarchism is not compatible with Socialism. All socialism is state socialism. A perfect example of intellectual dishonesty and vapidity. No need to elucidate, it is obvious on its face.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 5:57 pm

    EF: Your problem is your narrow and erroneous understanding of what Anarchism is. I don't mean the facile facsimile of AnarchoCapitalism of the so-called Libertarian Right. The key is in your statement to wit: In an Anarchy, there would be no state to impose Socialism. A correct view would be: In Anarchism, there is no state to impose Socialism. There is no such animal as an Anarchy. It is a one word oxymoron. Anarchists are not concerned with utopian speculation. You might have known this if you had actually read Chomsky rather than the specious and vicious lies promulgated by his …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 6:10 pm

    The depth of your understanding of socialism is likewise brain numbingly shallow.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 25 Oct 05
    • 11:28 pm

    You are quite right. Anarchy means roughly 'without a government. (I would prefer for the sake of rigor to use the term state, but I submit to your usage as it is only a hypothetical for the sake of argument) Then an Anarchy would be 'a government without a government. Hence it is an oxymoron. Don't try to weasel about the use of the article 'an' being trivial. It's not, it is probative. If you were at all intellectually honest you would also recognize the substantive change in meaning between the present tense and future conditional and it's centrality to my …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 8:03 am

    scorp: False self-aggrandizement would be a redundancy, I believe. Most particularly in your case. I'll be clearer; (I was writing last night straining to keep my eyes open to watch the WS. You now have my full attention. An Anarchy would be a Stateless State. Paradox = oxymoron. If i only had a brain.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 8:18 am

    The most general difference between anarchists and socialists is that socialists are more concerned with ends, while anarchists are focused on the means. In a practical sense. Theoretically they are more similar.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 8:33 am

    The form of governance anarchists live by is called syndicalism. Consensual agreements based on Mutual Aid.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 9:57 am

    article (grammar) a word, a type of determiner, that specifies or limits the following noun. (a, an, or the in English). the articles a and an specify the kind of object to which the noun refers. In this case the root of the determinate noun, or invariant object, -archy or rule. The prefix an- is an additional determiner of the root. What kind of rule? a rule without rule. An explicit contradiction. A non-paradoxical example is the indeterminate and variable noun: an imbalance. What kind of balance? A non-balanced balance. Not a contradiction in terms. A scale or balance can easily …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 10:21 am

    This is but a restatement of the classic oxymoron: The only rule in a knife fight is, there are no rules. It applies directly to debating trolls on the internet.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 10:35 pm

    Reynardine: Don't forget William Randolph Hearst, Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon, DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, Chrysler, ITT, Allen Dulles, National City Bank, and General Electric. And don't forget who from the US was fighting Fascism in Spain. Which side are you on, brothers? Which side are you on? Wasn't that a time, brothers? Wasn't that a time?

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 10:53 pm

    I suppose it's already crossed your minds with sickly twinge, but it is also fair to remember who was selling Saddam Hussein the raw materials and technology for his WMD's in the 80's and who was calling him a bloodthirsty tyrant. Boy, us blind leftie ideologs can see parallels in just about anything, can't we? It must be just our fevered, hysterical imaginations, I suppose. It couldn't be because we know how to think reflectively with evidence, logic and reason, could it? Noooooooooooo......We must be hallooooooocinating. You guys are entertaining, but nobody here is buying what you're selling. Better try a …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 26 Oct 05
    • 11:11 pm

    Houston just went down in 4 with two amazing defensive sparklers from Juan Uribe of the World Champion Chicago White Sox. Shoeless Joe Jackson for the Hall!!! It's gonna be a dismal day in the big T tomarra with indictments comin' down aroun' the ol' fav'rite son an' all. Shee-it.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 27 Oct 05
    • 11:19 am

    Sorry Rabbit, but I disagree about beisbol being a gladiatorial sport. It's a real sign of progress that the wing-nuts are attacking Chomsky after years and years of totally ignoring him. As famous as he is (for a scholar) internationally, he's long been a virtual non-entity in his own country. It's undoubtedly news to most US citizens that there even exists a field of scientific enquiry called Cognitive Science much less the central role Chomsky has played in it's development. I liked this line in the Rense article: "Again the kindest thing you can say about Reagan is …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 27 Oct 05
    • 6:32 pm

    OK, rdar, Let's look at Islamic terrorism. Are there any Islamic terrorists poised to take over the US Government from within? Are they in any position to even attain power in a single Islamic country? Do you believe the war in Iraq has done anything but increase the danger of terrorism by driving the Iraqi people to fear and anger and vengefulness by our bloody occupation? How do you think W will function after his brainectomy? Please tell me, what are the intellectual antecedents to your peculiar world-view? And tell me more about Eurabia, it sounds fascinating, even phantasmagoric. If it …

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 28 Oct 05
    • 11:25 am

    What's the matter rdar, cat got your tongue. HERE is a little info on 'IslamoFascist terrorism you might want to wrap your o-so-un-preconcieved mind around. Read it, footnotes & all, and let's chat.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 30 Oct 05
    • 12:49 pm

    Rabbit; It is a deliberate act of coercive sexual domination, much like rape. Consensual perversion is relatively just silly play acting. Not too surprising that chopper doesn't get the point. He is such a punk.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 01 Nov 05
    • 12:22 pm

    scorpy is carving hisself a little hole in an old log, into which he will later crawl and hide. Like the ugly, toxic little arachnid he is. scorpy, I just have to adze; isn't your edge getting a little dull? You are about as funny as an abscessed wound.

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 02 Nov 05
    • 10:43 am

    Yes chopper, it's all about you, isn't it?

    Posted to A Fundamental History Lesson
    • 18 Oct 05
    • 12:49 pm

    I can't for the life of me really understand how folks like Natalie can on the one hand be so cynical about any transparent and public use of government to actually improve the lives of its citizens, and on the other have such blind faith in the opaque and secretive National Security State. It is a tribute to the human brain's robust ability to sustain levels of cognitive dissonance one could reasonably infer would cause it to explode.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 29 Sep 05
    • 8:52 pm

    I was just going to post something innocuous just to be able to get e-mails and follow this conversation, but I have to get in my $0.02. Just plain Jay says: "Is it hypocrisy to go after a group of terrorists and their infrastructure and their sponsors after they murder 3000 people in cold blood?" No. But it is if you intentionally go after the wrong group of terrorists. Questions have been raised which Jay dismisses without addressing the concomitant facts of reference. Not hypocrisy, just intellectual laziness. " Is it hypocrisy, in a time of war, to use a weapon, …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 1:12 pm

    Jay writes: "If we are going after the wrong group of terrorists, then who are the right ones. Again, the only argument being made here is with references to facts without actually providing them." You might consider reading the links that GhostRabbit has so generously provided. These are the references to facts to which you are stubbornly oblivious. " Thank you for the conditional agreement on dropping the bombs on Japan. When evidence is presented that this was not the case, Ill address it." You might like to read "The Bomb: A life" by Gerard J. DeGroot. Here is a bit …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 1:12 pm

    "Legitimacy is at the core of the argument and has been invoked on both sides of the argument here." It isn't but you would like it to be. You cannot dictate terms nor their meanings or interpretations in an open debate. These things must be negotiated in an atmosphere of intellectual honesty. A concept you have shown no evidence of comprehending. Nor have you shown any familiarity with the rigors of logical thought. Just a propensity for tossing out spurious rhetoric and an unerring habit of avoidance when someone calls you on it. "And I do not hear the whisper. Your …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 2:13 pm

    Jay; As a courtesy I have copied a list of references made by GhostRabbit to support his arguments. I don't expect you to have the perspicacity to go back and try and understand the precise nature of his contentions and how he uses these references as support. Just read the reports. It is the only text thus far established as a factual basis of argument. When and if you deign to provide some putatively authoritative reference of your own to back up your assertions then some debate over whose facts are most cogent can proceed as anything other than a dick-wagging …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 2:28 pm

    Good one WHIT; Will it inspire our good troll to actually do a little research rather than spout truisms and conventional opinion. I rather doubt it.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 3:23 pm

    "Those same intercepts clearly show Japan was digging in for a final victory or death struggle" Not at all. They reported a patriotic and rhetorical call for the civilian population of Japan to dig in for a death struggle. There was real credible intel that neither military command nor the civilian population, had the logistical capacity to do so. To hang your argument on the possible meanings of the word probable is weak. The conditionality is the careful diction of the reviewer and not the book. It would be good if you actually read it before making specious and sophomoric rhetorical …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 3:45 pm

    "If that is Rabbits argument, then I agree. I would appreciate it if you could quote my words that say we do have a monopoly. I will happily eat them." You were arguing that " ljwhit (not GhostRabbit) used the A-bomb reference to argue against the morality of American actions in the Middle East after 9/11", this is the argument I am questioning, not that you made any claim of exclusive US moral righteousness. Why are you so unwilling to keep to the point? Why the diversion? You're obviously not stupid, but deviousness exudes from your words like stink from a …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Sep 05
    • 8:17 pm

    J, No need to pull out the dictionary. I meant the same thing with both phrases. Mere repetition bores me. And your thick-headedness requires substantial repetition. The problem is comprehension on your part. Here is the sentence I wrote one more time. You were arguing that ljwhit (not GhostRabbit) used the A-bomb reference to argue against the morality of American actions in the Middle East after 9/11; this is the argument I am questioning, not that you made any claim of exclusive US moral righteousness. Read this sentence again, carefully. Go back and read the original post. It may help. …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:05 am

    What an honor to make Jay Cline's boycott list. This is AOK with me. I'm getting bored pointing out the logical errors and superficial interpretations of fact in his 'arguments'. Watching him spin and twist, distort and and deny has been amusing, but it is getting redundant. - For everyone's edification, I will post here a remarkable essay by a hero of the right: - Why I Am Not a Conservative By Nobel laureate F. A. Hayek In The Constitution of Liberty (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1960) "At all times sincere friends of freedom have been rare, and its …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:11 am

    Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:19 am

    This difference between liberalism and conservatism must not be obscured by the fact that in the United States it is still possible to defend individual liberty by defending long-established institutions. To the liberal they are valuable not mainly because they are long established or because they are American but because they correspond to the ideals which he cherishes. 3. Before I consider the main points on which the liberal attitude is sharply opposed to the conservative one, I ought to stress that there is much that the liberal might with advantage have learned from the work of some conservative thinkers. To …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:23 am

    This fear of trusting uncontrolled social forces is closely related to two other characteristics of conservatism: its fondness for authority and its lack of understanding of economic forces. Since it distrusts both abstract theories and general principles,[6] it neither understands those spontaneous forces on which a policy of freedom relies nor possesses a basis for formulating principles of policy. Order appears to the conservative as the result of the continuous attention of authority, which, for this purpose, must be allowed to do what is required by the particular circumstances and not be tied to rigid rule. A commitment to principles presupposes …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:24 am

    Let me return, however, to the main point, which is the characteristic complacency of the conservative toward the action of established authority and his prime concern that this authority be not weakened rather than that its power be kept within bounds. This is difficult to reconcile with the preservation of liberty. In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:26 am

    In the last resort, the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others. The liberal, of course, does not deny that there are some superior people - he is not an egalitarian - bet he denies that anyone has authority to decide who these superior people are. While the conservative inclines to defend a particular established hierarchy and wishes authority to protect the status of those whom he values, the liberal …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:29 am

    That the conservative opposition to too much government control is not a matter of principle but is concerned with the particular aims of government is clearly shown in the economic sphere. Conservatives usually oppose collectivist and directivist measures in the industrial field, and here the liberals will often find allies in them. But at the same time conservatives are usually protectionists and have frequently supported socialist measures in agriculture. Indeed, though the restrictions which exist today in industry and commerce are mainly the result of socialist views, the equally important restrictions in agriculture were usually introduced by conservatives at an even …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:30 am

    Personally, I find that the most objectionable feature of the conservative attitude is its propensity to reject well-substantiated new knowledge because it dislikes some of the consequences which seem to follow from it - or, to put it bluntly, its obscurantism. I will not deny that scientists as much as others are given to fads and fashions and that we have much reason to be cautious in accepting the conclusions that they draw from their latest theories. But the reasons for our reluctance must themselves be rational and must be kept separate from our regret that the new theories upset our …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:31 am

    Only at first foes it seem paradoxical that the anti-internationalism of conservatism is so frequently associated with imperialism. But the more a person dislikes the strange and thinks his own ways superior, the more he tends to regard it as his mission to "civilize" other[10] - not by the voluntary and unhampered intercourse which the liberal favors, but by bringing them the blessings of efficient government. It is significant that here again we frequently find the conservatives joining hands with the socialists against the liberals - not only in England, where the Webbs and their Fabians were outspoken imperialists, or in …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:32 am

    6. What I have said should suffice to explain why I do not regard myself as a conservative. Many people will feel, however, that the position which emerges is hardly what they used to call "liberal." I must, therefore, now face the question of whether this name is today the appropriate name for the party of liberty. I have already indicated that, though I have all my life described myself as a liberal, I have done so recently with increasing misgivings - not only because in the United States this term constantly gives rise to misunderstandings, but also because I have …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:34 am

    7. We should remember, however, that when the ideals which I have been trying to restate first began to spread through the Western world, the party which represented them had a generally recognized name. It was the ideals of the English Whigs that inspired what later came to be known as the liberal movement in the whole of Europe[15] and that provided the conceptions that the American colonists carried with them and which guided them in their struggle for independence and in the establishment of their constitution.[16] Indeed, until the character of this tradition was altered by the accretions due to …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:36 am

    I do not know whether to revive that old name is practical politics. That to the mass of people, both in the Anglo-Saxon world and elsewhere, it is today probably a term without definite associations is perhaps more an advantage than a drawback. To those familiar with the history of ideas it is probably the only name that quite expresses what the tradition means. That, both for the genuine conservative and still more for the many socialists turned conservative, Whiggism is the name for their pet aversion shows a sound instinct on their part. It has been the name for the …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:37 am

    I hope I have not misled the reader by occasionally speaking of "party" when I was thinking of groups of men defending a set of intellectual and moral principles. Party politics of any one country has not been the concern of this book. The question of how the principles I have tried to reconstruct by piecing together the broken fragments of a tradition can be translated into a program with mass appeal, the political philosopher must leave to "that insidious and crafty animal, vulgarly called a statesman or politician, whose councils are directed by the momentary fluctuations of affairs."[20] The task …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:39 am

    Notes The quotation at the head of the Postscript is taken from Acton, Hist. of Freedom, p. 1. 1. This has now been true for over a century, and as early as 1855 J. S. Mill could say (see my John Stuart Mill and Harriet Taylor [London and Chicago, 1951], p. 216) that "almost all the projects of social reformers of these days are really liberticide." 2. B. Crick, "The Strange Quest for an American Conservatism," Review of Politics, XVII (1955), 365, says rightly that "the normal American who calls himself 'A Conservative' is, in fact, a liberal." It would appear …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:40 am

    8. Cf. Lord Acton in Letters of Lord Acton to Mary Gladstone, ed. H. Paul (London, 1913), p. 73: "The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern. The law of liberty tends to abolish the reign of race over race, of faith over faith, of class over class." 9. J. R. Hicks has rightly spoken in this connection of the "caricature drawn alike by the young Disraeli, by Marx and by Goebbels" ("The Pursuit of Economic Freedom," What We Defend, ed. E. F. Jacob [Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1942], p. 96). …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:40 am

    16. In the United States the nineteenth-century use of the term "Whig" has unfortunately obliterated the memory of the fact that in the eighteenth it stood for the principles which guided the revolution, gained independence, and shaped the Constitution. It was in Whig societies that the young James Madison and John Adams developed their political ideals (cf. E. M. Burns, James Madison [New Brunnswick, N.J.; Rutgers University Press, 1938], p. 4); it was Whig principles which, as Jefferson tells us, guided all the lawyers who constituted such a strong majority among the signers of the Declaration of Independence and among the …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 01 Oct 05
    • 11:52 am

    I am sorry if I am hogging bandwidth here. I could have just posted a link, but I am bored with witless clucks like J. Cline. I by no means am in harmonious agreement with Hayek's views; his narrow rejection of all things socialist or his backward looking and elitist effort to establish his position somewhere between liberalism and conservatism, etc. However, he does provide a remarkably clear insight into the mindset of the likes of the trolls who frequent here.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 02 Oct 05
    • 9:25 am

    What is the troll saying? Thou shall not quote? Thou shall not provide references? Verily the Lord Troll has spoken. Obey the Troll or He shall take all his marbles (the few he has) and go home. O pity us. - Technically, Occam's Razor is a method of inference, not logic. The troll, who has repeatedly and overtly displayed his incompetence in logic, who cannot comprehend a compound complex sentence, who makes nonsense analogies like dogs make doo-doo, now rejects a perfectly reasonable hypothesis because it is not by itself conclusive. The droll troll. - Friend Whit. Thank you for the …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 02 Oct 05
    • 4:12 pm

    Another slam dunk. - The flame is a thin layer of intense chemical reaction in which the fuel vapor molecules and oxygen in the air combine to produce high temperature (3600 degree Fahrenheit) combustion products - A thin layer, maybe an inch, on the surface of an explosively expanding volume of gas. That means any surface that comes in contact with that layer is only very, very briefly exposed to 3600 degree temps. - As you said, Thermal energy is not the same as temperature.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 02 Oct 05
    • 6:31 pm

    Not many commercial carpets are near an inch thick. A pool of burning kerosene supp[ied by atmospheric oxygen at one bar, burns at ~850 F. It takes several atmospheres to get the temp. up to even jet engine levels. If you look at the videos you'll see much of the fuel vented away from the building in a massive fireball, heating only air. The billowing black smoke in the aftermath of the explosion indicates a reducing fire (meaning relatively starved for oxygen), hence even lower burning tempurature. You're point is exceedingly dull.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 06 Oct 05
    • 3:43 pm

    Since this thread is descending into the faintly risible, let me insert this lame joke I heard recently: Q: How many free market ideologues does it take to change a light bulb? A: Null. They just sit in the dark and wait for an invisible hand to change it for them.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 06 Oct 05
    • 5:17 pm

    Wrong. It takes the entire bureau, working weeks of over-time to complete the necessary paperwork to file a report in which the light bulb is changed into a 'standardized area illumination device, IDN348992-B/H485mod3a(see attached file).' How many Corp.Execs? Two. One to make drinks and one to tell his assistant to tell his secretary to call an electrician.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 06 Oct 05
    • 5:49 pm

    Oh. Yes. Getting back on thread. An Evangelical Christian changes a light bulb by asking it to accept Jesus Christ as its personal Lord and Savior.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 10 Oct 05
    • 9:35 am

    A small critique, Rabbit, sir, I think you meant dissemble, not disseminate. You are disseminating; scattering seeds. Natalie is dissembling; avoiding the issues raised by those seeds. One engineering aspect of the collapse I haven't seen addressed is the obvious tipping of the upper stories of at least one tower at the initial failure. If the building was 'pancaking', even if you somehow believe it progressed at free fall speeds, the resistance of the lower floors would have imparted a lateral component of force to cause the upper section to tumble, breaking free of the rest of the building. This obviously …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 10 Oct 05
    • 9:47 am

    Rabbit: I've had your problem with losing posts. It appears to happen when I open another site in the same window. When I go back to the ITT page then hit 'submit' my post doesn't get printed. I've found if I back click to the previous page, I can copy my post, click forward, paste and submit. I hope this is helpful.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 10 Oct 05
    • 12:48 pm

    "Although these experts provided few actual facts of any material support that Iraq actually provided, their opinions, coupled with their qualifications as experts on this issue, provide a sufficient basis for a reasonable jury to draw inferences which could lead to the conclusion that Iraq provided material support to al Qaeda." I can't help but think you aren't getting what Rabbit is saying about the difference between facts and opinions, Natalie. What I found especially meaningful in its absence from that story, is any mention of defense rebuttal, or defense witnesses testifying, or indeed any defense legal representation. I, myself, would …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 12 Oct 05
    • 9:38 am

    David: Thanks for the Nimmo/Baraka link. I followed it to the original poem and Baraka's reply to NJ's governor's cowardly demands. Too bad J. Cline isn't reading this, since he has expressed his disdain of poetry. I found the conclusion of the essay especially compelling: "We say this because we feel that this state and indeed this nation and this world is desperately in need of the deepest and most profound human values that poetry can teach. That is what Keats and Du Bois called for the poet to do, to bring Truth and Beauty. To be like the most ancient …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 14 Oct 05
    • 11:37 am

    Here is an animation/simulation that does an excellent job of demonstrating gravitational free-fall and solid resistance. http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 15 Oct 05
    • 7:57 am

    Oooh! Natalie is a psychiatric clinician. Or is it Cliopatra's syndrome? That is rich. I can't refute your ideas so I'll belittle the legitimacy of your sources and call you crazy. This is about as close to Natalie can get to admitting maybe she doesn't know. It's the American way, Rabbit. Denial and avoidance. Followed by, 'No, you're the one in denial'. One big dysfunctional family. For a real world example of projection, look at this; " I wouldnt be surprised if a professor from Berkley would attempt to exonerate the terrorists." This is what passes for wit among the irony …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 15 Oct 05
    • 9:27 am

    I'm curious what Natalie thinks about the 'Anthrax Letters'.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 18 Oct 05
    • 9:05 am

    Natalie: There is an old African-American saying that might apply to the Iraqis; been down so long, it looks like up to me. They are hopeful that things will get better because things couldn't get much worse. As for the American left, the life of ordinary Americans could get a lot worse. Not much sign of things turning around before we tumble over the cliff created by our collective hubris. But we aren't packing it in, either. I'm happy for you that you are so idealistic about our government. It does seem you have a bit of a blind spot when …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 24 Oct 05
    • 8:34 am

    One man... urges assassination...of a foreign leader... The other... accusing his OWN government of... murdering its OWN citizens I think now that I've removed the excess verbiage from Nat's rant, it is pretty obvious this is an odious comparison. Am I being unfair Natalie?

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 9:07 am

    As much as I personally enjoy and admire your rambling stream-of-consciousness style, Rabbit (it is so rabbit-like; fuzzy and gentle on the outside, disguising a core of whip-like sinew and muscle underneath), I'm afraid your general critique of Natalie's reasoning power may have left her with the idea that she has scored a point with her claim about the firemen. She says: Bill Manning as far as I can find does not suspect that the WTC was intentionally demolished. He is concerned, and perhaps rightly so, that more investigation of the evidence wasnt done to determine exactly how the buildings collapsed. …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 6:59 pm

    Sorry Nat, All I can offer is the booby prize in the battle of opinion. You may well have desired Rabbit to name an engineer that believed as his professional opinion that Griffin's theory was correct. However, Rabbit didn't bite. Rabbit has said regularly and often that he is concerned with fact, not opinion. Rabbit made zero claims about Manning's opinion. Rabbit's challenge was for you to debunk his contention that the facts of Manning's complaint supported Griffin's theory. You have admitted that it could. Your idle ad hoc speculations of what else it could mean doesn't change the fact that …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Oct 05
    • 12:37 am

    All that stuff is vaguely interesting, Nat, but it's all pretty much bye the bye. The fact under contention here is not whether Manning agrees in any general way with Griffin, or Rabbit likewise agrees with Griffin, or Griffin with Manning or Manning with Rabbit or me with you; but with whether the steel beams were hauled away lickety-split to China without any skilled teams of assessors sent in with notebooks, lasers and measuring sticks to make what are uncontroversially routine and essential examinations and measurements of any unexpected catastrophe approaching a fraction of this magnitude. It seems that we all …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Oct 05
    • 11:04 am

    Natalie: Please, you are insulting only your own intelligence. After making such a big deal about putting Manning in context you do this: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Rather, theory has it, THE SUBSEQUENT CONTENTS FIRES ATTACKING THE QUESTIONABLY FIREPROOFED LIGHTWEIGHT TRUSSES AND LOAD-BEARING COLUMNS DIRECTLY CAUSED THE COLLAPSES in an alarmingly short time. Of course, in light of there being no real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just unexplored theory. Now, if I were corresponding with any ordinary reasonable person, …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Oct 05
    • 11:06 am

    It baffles me that someone capable of such linguistic magnificence would buy into such nonsensical theories as have been presented here, ironically below an article about a crazy fundamentalist. Thanx for the compliment, I guess. I make no bones about my biases, do you? Are you willing to take the test and honestly report the results? CLICK HERE Come on in. The water's fine. You are in error to think I am buying into anything. I am only curious. I have had my questions about these matters, but until this conversation, really haven't focused on them. There are …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 30 Oct 05
    • 10:25 pm

    There ain't nobody here but us Sneeches There ain't nobody here at all. So calm yourself And stop your fuss There ain't nobody here but us. apologies to Louis Jordan and Dr. Seuss. Nat, I appreciate knowledge; expertise and experience, professional skill and professional ethics. I don't assume anyone in a professional position or position of authority necessarily bears any or all of those characteristics. Most everyone in every workplace I've ever been in also has a keen awareness on what side their bread is buttered. Manning strikes me as a pretty straight arrow, trying to do his best with what …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 03 Nov 05
    • 10:27 am

    KVW, you move me to song, man. To Natalie. May she have ears to hear, and eyes to see.

    Across The Borderline (ry cooder/john hiatt/james dickinson) Theres a place where Ive been told Every street is paved with gold And its just across the borderline And when its time to take your turn Heres one lesson that you must learn You could lose more than youll ever hope to find When you reach the broken promised land And every dream slips through your hands Then youll know that its too late to change your mind cause youve paid the price to …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 11:03 am

    Get hip, Turdbooger. 600 comments that you haven't read.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 6:57 pm

    Nietzsche said that David? Curious. That's probably what unconsciously triggered my response when my frosh world history prof declared there had never been a single true Christian in all of history. I leapt up and said, "Well sir, perhaps One, but we all know what happened to Him." That made me a truly undeserving hero to all the Christians on campus for a week or so. I guess I've always had a smart mouth. I knew some of it came from reading Nietzche in High School.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 08 Nov 05
    • 7:21 pm

    A Nazarene, actually. According to extant accounts. Some believe he was an Alien.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 8:55 am

    OK David, as I write this NPR is saying there might be more in common with the Dalai Lama and neuro-physicists than you might think. Not news to me, particularly, but an interesting moment of synchronicity. So I took your silly quiz and got some good chuckles out of it. Like wondering if I ever believed in the Easter Bunny. I was wondering who would admit to being even the tiniest bit gullible, when I thought, 'hey, I got roped into taking this silly quiz, am I gullible.' It was fun, and oh yeah, my results: Spiritualism Your ideals are mostly …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 1:07 pm

    I know about that pesky submit button. Forgot about the death bed question. Also pretty funny. I both hope and suspect the moment I cease recanting (i.e., learning something new that forces me to re-evaluate my level of understanding and depth of wonder in the world) is likely to be the moment I die. After that I rather suspect I'll be making a brand new set of mistakes.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 11 Nov 05
    • 2:33 pm

    David, National Public Radio .

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 8:24 am

    NataLIE, Such a graceful concession.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 1:14 pm

    The original

    The Preacher and the Bear A Preacher went out huntin, t'was on one Sunday morn He knew its against his religion, but he took his gun along He shot himself three mighty fine quail and one little measly hare And on his way returning home, he saw a great big Grizzly Bear Now the bear marched out in the middle of the road and waltzed to the Preacher you see The Preacher got so excited, he climbed up a 'simmon tree The bear sat down upon the ground, the Preacher climbed out on a limb Well he cast his …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 12 Nov 05
    • 1:33 pm

    I posted this on another thread but I don't think anyone but chopper read it. A young couple were on their way through the Sierras to Reno in order to be wed, when their car went over the mountainside and crashed, killing them both instantly. Their souls were transported to the Pearly Gates where St. Peter was ready to usher these virginal innocents right in, when the woman asked We never made it to the Chapel, can we be married in heaven? Hmm, Im not sure, said St. Peter. Please, wait here while I go check. So they sat and waited. …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 1:15 pm

    I found this interesting and informative essay on the history of Islamic Science . It touches directly on some of the issues raised on this thread. When considered in the light of the Bush Administrations misuse and abuse of Science and what has been happening in Kansas and Dover, Pa. is quite illuminating of the lugubrious forces modern Conservatism has unleashed upon the world.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 13 Nov 05
    • 7:03 pm

    David, if you want to hear an excellent rendering of "With God on Our Side" may I recommend the version by Aaron Neville, If you like Black Gospel at all. I do. Here's my offering in this spirit of Armistice Day:

    Eric Bogle--No Man's Land Well how do you do Private William McBride, Do you mind if I sit here down by your graveside? And rest for awhile beneath the warm summer sun, I've been walking all day and now I'm nearly done I see by your gravestone you were only nineteen When you joined the glorious fallen in 1916; Well …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 15 Nov 05
    • 12:22 pm

    Rabbit, I've been wanting to tell you this story, but I had to talk to my cousin and get some of the details right: My grandmother's cousin, who owned the cinnibar mine and really was an old time hard rock miner, used to mix his nitro by the glacial stream just below the house. He would always say he liked it because he got more bang for the buck. The only joke I ever heard him make. He'd rack his product in a little shack next to the creek, and when finished, hang his little vials on little spings and wrapped …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 8:56 am

    Speaking of fringe.... Here in Cali we have among many anarchist groups, the Erisian Faction Here is one of their position papers:

    Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another. After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said, "Son, you know eating all that candy isn't good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat." Little Tony replied, "My grandfather lived to be 107 years old." The man asked, "Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a …

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 16 Nov 05
    • 10:59 am

    Liz: You have brought to my attention another reason why Bill Gates should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. I can't get that video to work on Mozilla. Now I have to open IE. Getting creakier and creakier on Macs.

    Posted to Reckoning with the God Squad
    • 29 Oct 05
    • 7:52 pm

    anarcho-Sozi: I was thinking that may have well been phosphorus, another nasty anti-personnel device, but our resident munitions expert tells me, yes indeed, Dresden was the test-bed for napalm. Dow Chemical: 'better living through chemistry'. They were also doing business with the Nasties. The wing-nuts all think our anti-corporatism is just class warfare scare tactics. It would make me laugh if it didn't make me ill.

    Posted to Radioactive Wounds of War
    • 16 Sep 05
    • 10:16 am

    Chopper, Glad to discover you are such a Kurasawa fan. You might like to check out "Hachi-gatsu no kyshikyoku (Rhapsody in August)" which is about the human consequences of Nagasaki. Sorry there are no samurai battles to feed your bloodlust, but it just might to some small degree moderate your apparent blindly nationalistic justification of war. Just wondering, what is your response to the substance of Maria's post? The assigning of relative 'evil' and saying we aren't as evil as the Nazi's or the Stalinists is sidestepping the issue. If an Argentinian can point to some evil done by the U.S. …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 17 Sep 05
    • 4:20 am

    chopper, Check out this: As far as my reading skills can ascertain, Maria never characterized anything or anyone as 'evil'. The inference is your own judgment of the facts she presents. That is ominous. Also, she nowhere says that the School of the Americas taught torture. As to 'murder', well, that's the business of soldiers. Also, she was, once again, talking about Argentina, not Chile. You are correct. Enjoying action flicks does not make you chauvinist. It's the one-sided moral relativism. How does the systematic annihilation of 50 million+ Native Americans stack up against the Soviet gulags, eh? My point …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 18 Sep 05
    • 2:15 am

    chopper, This is the article I was trying to link: ARGENTINA: DECLASSIFIED STATE DEPARTMENT FILES SHOW U.S. SUPPORTED REPRESSION DURING "DIRTY WAR". : An article from: NotiSur - South American Political and Economic Affairs. Maybe you can google it. By moral relativism I mean the way you justify evils committed on 'your' side by saying they are not as evil as the acts committed by others. I am certainly not claiming that all governments are equally bad. Nor am I claiming as you seem to that because a certain government in its history has been responsible for atrocities then that government …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 18 Sep 05
    • 11:57 am

    I think your framework for trying to diminish, minimize, rationalize and remove our (yes, I am a seventh generation American WASP) forebears responsibility for the genocide of NA's is not only in grave rational error, but horrifically ominous. Yes I think US government policy, if not always the direct cause, was the major contributive factor to that genocide, along with mindless population pressures plus the ignorant racist bigotry shared by my own ancestors. It is not really a question of 50+million deaths. If there were indeed 50+million NA's within what is now the continental US at the beginning of the 19th …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 18 Sep 05
    • 8:21 pm

    sorry, chopper. I should have written 18th Cen. I gave you a range of 500,000 to 1.25M surviving the pandemic which I don't think is outside the conventional thinking on the matter, though it is also fairly conventional to estimate there was that number of Navaho in 1800, so it makes one wonder about documentary historians making hard and fast conclusions, especially concerning numbers, especially in an era with so little documentation. I've been looking for a fairly recent archeological report that estimates a much larger number, as high as 25M as I recall, but I haven't been able to source …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 18 Sep 05
    • 8:31 pm

    Sorry again. That should be 5M to 12.5M. Make of it what you will.

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 19 Sep 05
    • 8:45 am

    I have a hard time buying noble intentions from State or Defense. US interests are corporate interests The Cold War was not very benign to the left. It was very good for corporations. There might be something here about one's perspective. Look at Nicaragua. The US' proxy war against the Sandinista government was more a blow to the US left, which had invested heavily in social development there, than the Soviet Union. Chiquita Banana's interests were served quite well. It's hard to see the positive side if you are the one getting dumped on. The results are there in Nicaragua for …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 19 Sep 05
    • 10:27 am

    I have no problem believing the bomb was dropped primarily as a 'message' to the Soviets. It certainly had no tactical purpose. The strategic cover story of saving lives in an invasion is not much more than a fig leaf, a warm fuzzy justification. A bit of propaganda. If I get a chance, I'll look at DeGroots' book. From the review, it doesn't appear he is a flaming lefty. From the article: "DeGroot also gives short shrift to the profiteering that underwrites the arms race. He quotes the admission by Ronald Reagans former scientific advisor, George Keyworth, that the whole argument …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 20 Sep 05
    • 1:39 pm

    chopper, * Nations tend to act in the perceived interests of those who control the state and the government. Not necessarily their true interests nor those of the nation as a whole, but what they believe are those interests. The more self-centered those beliefs are, the greater the divide between subjective perception and objective reality, the greater the need of the ruling faction to rely on the perception of intractable external or internal enemies and the greater the need to maintain power with the threat of coercive force. The threat of force is not really credible unless it is demonstrated against …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 23 Sep 05
    • 8:38 pm

    chopper, So many straw men. So little time. The only true leftist is a Stalinist, eh? How trite. 'Cut off the heads of the ones who are taller'. How witless. I suppose you are in rapturous agreement with the egalitarian sentiment of nobles and peasants being equally forbidden from sleeping under bridges and stealing bread. By elimination, you must have something positive to say about liberty and justice, but I'm afraid I can't see them having much meaning unless they apply equally to everyone. Can you elaborate? 'Liberty and Justice for Some' How would that work?

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 23 Sep 05
    • 11:34 pm

    chopper, I am doing better than that, thank you. Equality of circumstances? Not a reasonable expectation or a very desirable one. Certainly nothing an intelligent progressive would ever propose or countenance. A false and invidious characterization. (What is it with these straw man arguments? They don't amount to crap.) Equal rights? Equal opportunity? Equality before the Law? Worth fighting for. You implied that a 'true leftist' is an advocate of a centralized state economy, the peculiar and particular invention of Stalin that made Stalinism so special. Naive, simplistic, and wrong. Stalin destroyed the Kulaks because they threatened his authority. If you …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 24 Sep 05
    • 7:31 pm

    chopper, - Please enlighten me on the difference between 'a complete takeover of the economy by the state' and a state controlled economy or a centralized state economy, or... The subtlety eludes me. Oh! I get it. A stalinist economy, just different from Stalin's economy. Lenin (or Trotsky, d'ya think?) may or may not have arrived at the endgame Stalin most certainly did, for which he is re-known in human history. Is this not called dissembling? - This exchange so makes me think of the truism that winning an argument on the internet is like winning a medal in the Special …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 24 Sep 05
    • 7:32 pm

    What do you understand by 'mutual aid'? Have you ever heard of the concept of social equity? Some interesting ideas there. - I personally am just as skeptical of paternalistic re-distributive programs that only serve to make the poor dependent on the state. Especially those that are only a thinly disguised subsidy for special interests. I would be happy with guaranteed employment at a living wage, universal health care - single payer free at point of service, dignified support of the aged and infirm, subsidized child care and universal quality free education. For real. I'm amenable to any methodology to meeting …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 25 Sep 05
    • 11:49 am

    There is something intrinsically old-fashioned about conservatism. A certain longing for the 'good old days' and a lot of the world is going to the dogs, and what's wrong with these kids today. I always thought Lewis' portrayal was tender and sympathetic for being the object of satire. Something generally lacking in those rare conservative literati who can actually write compelling prose. Conservatives haven't changed all that much in 50 years. I do not dispute that any government program presents some risks. However, I don't think that is a good reason to do nothing. If you want all people to take …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 25 Sep 05
    • 12:15 pm

    Nothing leads to an inevitable conclusion with adequate attention and foresight. Your attitude is so fatalistic. Whatever happened to that Yankee can do? It's been replaced with a lot of cynical can't do that. When progressives point to real problems that aren't being addressed, they're accused of cynicism. Told, "Why do you hate America? You only see the dark side" Horseshit. - They'd rather let someone die in the street than risk a little hypothetical so-called liberty (meaning they might have to pay their fair share of taxes). I just don't know exactly what freedoms you think would be lost. I …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 25 Sep 05
    • 12:17 pm

    It isn't that the left can't get over its 'vulgar' Marxist roots, It's that narrow minded conservatives can't let go of their Boogie Men. They define themselves by what they fear and hate, and define their opponents in the unconscious reflective projection of that fear and hatred. It is pathological. A consequence of believing introspection is a weakness. - Like any thoughtful person, Marx had a few good ideas, a lot of mediocre ones, and his share of boners. He wasn't completely and utterly wrong about everything, nor was he the embodiment evil. He certainly is not a god to the …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 25 Sep 05
    • 3:55 pm

    chopper, vulgarity is a fine and wonderful thing, a pungent spice best used sparingly. - I think I have shown where you have used over-simplification in some of your arguments. I don't wish to imply that you are stupid or simple or any kind of ad hominem nor do I have any reason to believe you to be anything but honest and sincere in expressing your views. Nonetheless, it's my opinion that there is a pathological tendency in conservatism as it is configured today to be in near all respects stubbornly and consciously in denial of much that is demonstrably true. …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 02 Oct 05
    • 11:20 am

    Contrary to conventional truism, most government workers are dedicated and motivated. Like other human beings they are most satisfied with their work when it is effective. They can be demoralized, however, by an administration that fundamentally believes that government cannot work. - It is wonderful that Walmart has shown such generosity in a temporary disaster. Now if they could only pay their workers a living wage. What do you think the PR value of Walmart's magnanimous gesture is vs. a few million out of pocket? Priceless. - I'm getting tired of being the 'leftist' foil to your one-sided, bipolar argument. For …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 02 Oct 05
    • 12:33 pm

    Contemplating our conversation in the light of this nugget of thought should also be of help: - False dilemma From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The logical fallacy of false dilemma, which is also known as fallacy of the excluded middle, false dichotomy, either/or dilemma or bifurcation, involves a situation in which two alternative points of view are held to be the only options, when in reality there exist one or more alternate options which have not been considered. Examples: "Mark is late for work. Either his car has broken, or he has overslept. If it can be shown that the latter …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 04 Oct 05
    • 12:40 pm

    "Another good example of a false dilemma fallacy is either I think government is the best solution or I must be fatalistic." - What I find fatalistic, is not that you don't think government is the best solution; but that you have given me every reason to think you believe absolutely, mostly as an article of faith, that government, either cannot or has no reasonable authority to modulate and seek to minimize the disparities between the poor and the weak, and the wealthy and powerful. - Or, as it says here: "We the People of the United States, in Order to …

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 06 Oct 05
    • 2:40 pm

    Here's another one: How many free market ideologues does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: None. They just sit in the dark and wait for an invisible hand to change it for them. I thought it was funny.

    Posted to Hiroshima: The Falsehood Fallout
    • 16 Sep 05
    • 6:41 am

    APF, If spirit pervades all reality then it is pervasive in human consciousness, whether we know it or not or whether we allow it to abide in our spirit or not. It is, was, and always will be here. It neither comes closer, nor moves farther away. It's nature is no different from our nature. Our nature is completely derived from the undivided nature of spirit. Spirit is the ocean from which these teeny momentary drops of awareness emerge and to which they inevitably return. The only separation from spirit is in clinging to the belief of separate natures. All one …

    Posted to Jesus, Is This News?
    • 21 Sep 05
    • 6:03 pm

    jomo, I think I basically agree with the apparent general intent of your observations, but I don't think you are reading this thread too clearly. Take a couple of deep breaths, focus your mind and try again.

    Posted to Jesus, Is This News?
    • 22 Sep 05
    • 8:32 am

    kaw, your comment is on the previous page. You'll have to go into the archives to find it, apparently.

    Posted to Jesus, Is This News?