What a lot of people seem not to realize is that the more countries that have nuclear weapons and pose a threat to America, the more domestic tax dollars end up eventually in the pockets of the rich. Here's how it works... For the super rich in this country probably the greatest way to transfer dollars from the pockets of ordinary working people to those at the top is via government spending on the military and related industries. We spend so much on the military in this country, many times more proportionally than any other nation on earth. But the fact …
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Matilda Gatsby
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IsThisThingOn, Saddam is not a mad man, sorry, we are actually the aggressors, and you can thank God all you like, he doesn't exist. Am I the only person in America with the guts to admit that ordinary Iraqis were better off under Saddam than they are now? Cold-blooded murderer that he was he doesn't have half the blood on his hands that we do. A hundred thousand dead and civil war on the horizon, what thanks does Iraq really owe our 'brave' boys. Maybe in a decade or two ordinary Iraqi people will benefit from the removal of Saddam, or …
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Another thing, democrats did not start world war two, I was always under the impression that was Germany and Japan. And yes, any democrat who acts like a conservative is as bad as a conservative. The democrats in our country are actually a center right political party, in opposition to an extremist far right political party. Real liberals often support the democrats because the alternative is the murderous republicans. Unfortunately the democrats are often half in bed with the ultra right wing in this country, so what can ordinary people do? Republicans have the moral values of fascists, just without the …
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Glad I made you laugh HenryB. You are just a stupid guy, but hey, it won't be the last time someone on the far right will be called stupid, so take heart. There is no real left wing in this country, and of course people who think Bill O'Reilly is fair and balanced are going to consider the democrats to be on the political left. Anywhere else in the world the democrats would be considered a center right party and the republicans would be considered neo-fascists. But it is totally wrong to compare the American conservatives to the Nazis, I mean …
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Also, HenryB, I am sorry to hear you are so afraid of Iran, it must be quite tiring to have to live in constant fear, and how dare our government only spend $400 Billion on defense a year. You sound to me like a bit of a coward, shaking in your boots over such a small country. Stand up straight and find some backbone, only cowards strike first out of fear. Or does the thought of thousands of people being blown to bits in the Persian Gulf kind of turn you on? The only reason our ultra right wing government doesn't …
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So, chopper, the attacks on us on 9/11 demanded a military response did they? And what will happen if Saudi Arabia decides to attack us again? I suppose we'll invade Norway shall we, or perhaps France? That would make about as much sense as invading Iraq. Also, what do you think will be the long-term results of our unprovoked invasion of Iraq? If you kill three thousand New Yorkers then a reasonably large number of people will perhaps know someone who knows someone who was lost. If you kill a hundred thousand Iraqis then every single person in the country will …
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Wolf, whatever. Volvillain, thanks for the encouragement. Isthisthingon, the left that do exist in this country do not hate America, or any other country for that matter, they simply dislike you, the average conservative. Conservativism is a hateful little philosophy and is, as far as I can tell, anti-Christian, anti-human, anti-equality and anti-progress. America is a beautiful place, but at the end of the day is just a piece of land. Genuine liberals believe that people are basically good, and that when treated fairly they tend to act fairly. We even believe conservatives were born good, but just like the Taliban …
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Crying boy scouts or thousands of dead Iraq children, I know which one I think is the actual crime. Jesus Christ listen to yourself.
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Volvillain, I think conservatism in one guise or other is responsible for all human conflict and most human suffering. People who call themselves conservative are to a greater or lesser degree supporting a philosophical system that is in my opinion based on a complete misinterpretation of actual human nature. I do not hate people who call themselves conservatives or align themselves with that worldview, but I am damn angry when they follow through on those beliefs to the point of cold blooded murder.
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Volvillian, I looked at the sight you posted, and it occurred to me that how does all this carnage make a second 9/11 less likely?
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By the way, my 'Jesus Christ listen to yourself' comment was directed at IsMyBrainOn.
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All I meant by bringing up the Saudis is that if fifteen of the eighteen 9/11 hijackers had been North Korean than you had better believe we'd be in North Korea now. Saudi Arabia was treated like a revered friend after 9/11 when fifteen of their citizens had just killed three thousand of ours. For heavens sake THINK about that. Doesn't that seem weird to anyone, I mean really very inconsistent? And what did Iraq have to do with 9/11, nothing. In fact I think I'll repeat that, nothing, not one single thing. In fact Saddam was despised by the radical …
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I could debate you under the table, but I don't have to. My watershed moment was the invasion of Iraq. That's the moment I became sure the conservatives in this country were criminals. What planet are you on, I could win a 'debate' with you in my sleep. Also, real debates only happen productively between equals, and by defending Bush you have already displayed your caliber. I am happy to share my numerous opinions, but I would no more sit here and argue the toss with you on your distorted, brainwashed terms than I would indulge the fantasies of a mental …
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Scorp, how many people say they are Christians, but then kill tens of thousands of people for no reason? Let me think... That would be Adolph Hitler and George W. Bush. Both claimed to be Christians, and both now have invaded countries that were not threatening them, killing thousands of people in the process. In fact lets compare a few more statistics. George W. Bush will go to his grave having instigated the killing of more innocent civilians than Usama Bin Laden, the Columbine shooters, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy or the IRA during 35 years of terrorist activity. What a 'good' …
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Finally I have to say that I aim so much criticism at George W. Bush and his cabal, because I am an American, and as an American I have a duty to keep my own house in order. I have no say in Iraq or Afghanistan, or Pakistan or Britain. But here I am in my own country, and part of being a responsible citizen is keeping a check on what we as a nation are doing at home and in the world. If I disagree with what I see, it is not only my right but also my duty to …
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Scorp, you are not the sharpest tool in the box are you. Or perhaps your misreading of my posts is deliberate. No one gets a free pass, but this is now, and we are here. I think I'll repeat that for the slow ones, no one gets a free pass, but we do not live in Japan for instance and it is not 1941. I could just as easily have compared Bush's actions in Iraq to Japan's Pearl Harbor attack but the German comparison is a better fit due to the reasons Hitler used to justify the invasion of Poland to …
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In fact, Scorp, I was just thinking, what the hell does the phrase 'free pass' mean anyway? That makes it sound like we are the teachers and the world is full of good and bad children some of whom have to be 'disciplined'. Very weird.
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IsThisThingOn, I haven't got a clue what you are rambling on about, so I have to conclude you are crazy.
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Chopper, you make me laugh, you didn't get what I was talking about at all, but never mind. The china thing was a metaphor, as were my comments about the French resistance, designed to illustrate certain attitudes. Also, innocent people being killed in a necessary war is not the same as people being killed in a war that didn't need to happen. So FDR is not a criminal, but George W. Bush definitely is. Are you listening yet? I agree with you that invoking the founding fathers is a bit of a stretch, because I wasn't there, but I would be …
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One last thing… HITLER BELIEVED HE WAS A CHRISTIAN!!! Here is a direct quote from a speech Adolph Hitler made on 12th April 1922. “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us …
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Am I going too fast for you Scorp? The truth is on my side so I'm not so bothered about spelling things out for someone whose conscience does not simply tell him the obvious. Bush railroaded the international community into half agreeing to this war, reluctantly. Even in Britain, our number one ally, they were not really sure. You'll never hear this in the American press but most of the world considers this an illegal war, one that went ahead without real UN backing. Who are you that I should have to dance to your tune anyway? You find the evidence …
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One more thing, if Saddam had possessed chemical and biological weapons, that would still not have been a legitimate reason to go to war. As I pointed out in an earlier post (one which all the conservatives readers very conveniently ignored), Saddam was despised by the fundamentalist Muslims in the surrounding region, and he would no more help them than cut off his own face. The supposed Saddam connection to Al Qaeda is so ridiculous as to beg belief that it would even be suggested. But, Saddam didn't EVEN have those weapons, which makes the case for George W. Bush being …
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Volvillain, I agree with you about Scorp!
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IsThisThingOn, so it was highly dubious that Adolph Hitler was a real Christian, dya fink? Of course Hitler was not a real Christian, the fact that he claimed to be one again and again however is a matter of public record. My point was that George W. Bush is not a real Christian either, he only claims to be one again and again. Real Christians prevent the killing of innocent people at all costs, and definitely don't lead invasions on other people's countries for no other reasons than greed, fear and pride. Okay, for all the Bush apologists out there (and …
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Here are some quotes that you all might find interesting. I already suspect that our country has started heading towards a form of fascism with the invasion of Iraq. The fact that we are even talking about a possible attack on Iran begins to confirm my worst fears. Consider these food for thought… "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, 1759 "To initiate a war of aggression ... is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that …
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"Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government, and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard ship a prominent executive of one of America's largest financial corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism to America." …
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I would like to bring everyone's attention to something very interesting Scorp wrote in an earlier post. Scorp said: "Pacifists and socialists are the same thing, and both of them will end up getting you killed, or, in the case of Jihadist terror, getting you converted to radical Islam. No thanks, to either of the outcomes you have planned for us." Hermann Goering said: "the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and …
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As for converting people to Islam, wasn't it Ann Coulter who said in response to the 9/11 attacks: “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity” It might be good to remind people once again that fifteen of the eighteen 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. It would be interesting to know who exactly Coulter is referring to when she talks about 'their' countries and 'their' leaders. Something tells me it is not us who are in danger of being killed at the moment, or converted to a foreign religion, quite the opposite. For instance does …
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Chopper, fascism isn't state control and regulation of private business, it is the take over of the state by private business, nothing like socialism. Did you bother to read the quote I posted above made by William Dodd in 1938? He seemed to think that a lot of big business was fanatically opposed to FDR's social policies and would have happily instigated German style fascism in this country if it had gone any further. But I thought fascism and socialism were supposed to have so much in common, that's what you are trying to make us all believe isn't it? If …
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Here are some excerpts from a very detailed article I found on the net detailing the exact nature of international law. “December 31, 2004-In September, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan told the BBC that the U.S./British invasion of Iraq was illegal under international law [1]. The following week, he dedicated his entire annual address to the U.N. General Assembly to the subject of international law, saying, "We must start from the principle that no one is above the law, and no one should be denied its protection." So, how was the invasion of Iraq illegal? How does that affect the situation …
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It goes on to say… “The treaty which outlawed the waging of aggressive war was the General Treaty for the Renunciation of War, otherwise known as the Kellogg-Briand Pact or the Pact of Paris. It was named for U.S. Secretary of State Frank B. Kellogg and the French statesman Aristide Briand, and it was signed by President Coolidge in 1928 and duly ratified by the U.S. Senate. It was the result of a decade of negotiations and lesser diplomatic achievements to prevent war that were motivated by the horror and tragedy of the First World War. In 1932, the new Secretary …
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Leaders of repressive systems supported by America at different times over the last 60 years. Augusto Pinochet - Chile, "Papa Doc" Duvalier - Haiti, Efrain Rios Montt - Guatemala, Park Chung-hee - South Korea, P W Botha - South Africa, Sani Abacha - Nigeria, Rafael Trujillos - Dominican Republic, General Suharto - Indonesia, Fulgencio Batista - Cuba, Mobuto Sese Seko - Zaire, Ferdinand Marcos - Philippines, Anastasio Somoza - Nicaragua, King Hassan II - Morocco, Pol Pot - Cambodia, Saddam Hussain - Iraq. So much for spreading peace and democracy.
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You really are chillingly stupid Scorp, but I've given up trying to argue with a robot. I had to laugh out loud at your definition of socialism. So, it is a 'cult of death' is it? Try telling that to the 60 million people in the Britain who get free health care, and all the other civilised countries that have some form of susidised health protection. Try extolling the vitues of the free market to mothers who have lost children in this country due to not being able to afford pre-natal care. You did know that didn't you, that America has …
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You really are chillingly stupid Scorp, but I've given up trying to argue with a robot. I had to laugh out loud at your definition of socialism. So, it is a 'cult of death' is it? Try telling that to the 60 million people in the Britain who get free health care, and all the other civilised countries that have some form of susidised health protection. Try extolling the vitues of the free market to mothers who have lost children in this country due to not being able to afford pre-natal care. You did know that didn't you, that America has …
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No, I was working in Britain at the time and was one of the million that took to the streets in protest because we knew the attack on Iraq was completely bogus. We were right too, you never seem to react to that do you? I have told you before that I, and no one else here, answers to you. Rather than be a man and admit you were wrong you persist in childishly trying to vindicate your horrific views. The French and German government and most of the citizens of Britain (look at the opinion poles) were against this war, …
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Scorp, it is really none of your business where I come, but I am American, and proud to be one when our country isn't murdering people. Having worked in Britain for a number of years the contrast between there and here has been illuminating to say the least. Maybe you should get out a bit more yourself, if you haven't done any traveling. Blair started out as an astoundingly popular leader with a 170 seat majority in the British parliament. Just to give you some idea what that means, the largest landslide Thatcher ever achieved was 140 seats. A typical British …
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Scorp, I could take apart all of your positions, I swear that's not an idol boast. But what would be the point, you could be striped bare and would still pretend that nothing had happened. That's not winning, that's simply refusing to acknowledge you've lost. They say the root of virtually all mental illness starts with the denial of reality in one way or another. True conservatives, the so-called 'diehard' right-wingers, are mentally ill, and that is not an insult, merely a fact. Be it the scientific validity of the theory of evolution, global warming, election irregularities, the illegality of the …
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P.S. Reagan and Thatcher created a boom and bust economy in American and Britain, a small minority of people got very rich very quickly. Clinton and Blair where the ones who actually created sustainable growth and surpluses, introducing real stability that benefited everyone. Just saying that Reagan and Thatcher achieved great things, over and over again, won't make it true. Also, even though Reagan is revered as some sort of saint among the ultra right wing in our country, the Brits, who seem to have their heads a bit more screwed on now consider Thatcher to be a joke, even her …
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