What is really appalling is how many lies have been spread about DU munitions. If you want to learn more about this .. go to the seven article series by a long time investigative reporter Bob Evans of the Newport News Daily Press. From the second article of the series .. Of Rodents and Radiation - Ch 2 - From the Nose to the Brain http://www.dailypress.com/news/specials/dp-du2,0,4684968.story?coll=dp-special-news "The issue is chemical, not radiologic, risk," says Melissa A. McDiarmid of the University of Maryland School of Medicine and the VA hospital in Baltimore. McDiarmid directs the government's monitoring of Gulf War veterans with …
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"Dr. Doug Rokke, a health physicist at the University of Illinois who headed up a Pentagon study of depleted uranium weapons in the mid ’90s after concerns were raised during the Gulf War, concluded there was no safe way to use the weapons. Rokke says the Pentagon responded by denouncing him, after earlier commending his work." The article makes the above claim about Douglas Lind Rokke, Phd, Education, with regards to his qualifications to claim expertise on DU. As a Lieutenant in the Army Reserve, Rokke was activated for Desert Storm and in that role was a member of a team …
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m-astera .. Nothing like burning the book before even reading the cover. The anti-DU movement is not anti-Bush; it has just co-opted the anti-Bush people. I am not pro-Bush either, but I do not believe in spreading lies that are costing American lives. I am not used to being in the rank of liars .. I expose liars, so you get used to it. Roger
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This is a long digression from the subject of DU exposure so I will make it a separate comment. Michaelvet changes the subject by what apparently is his personal experience at Johnston Island where two nuclear armed Thor missiles blew up on the launch pad in 1962. The Plutonium (not Uranium) contamination was cleaned up within the past 5 years and Johnson Atoll is now a bird sanctuary. If Michael believes he has ill effects from exposure to Plutonium, he should see the VA. More about the Plutonium contamination of Johnson Atoll is found at http://www.kahea.org/lcr/pdf/JohnstonHawaii5-11.pdf which is to prepare the …
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m_astera asked Quote: "I do not believe in spreading lies that are costing American lives." Interesting. Would you care to explain how posting information on uranium poisoning is costing American lives? Simple, when the information is not true and it is used to recruit suicide bombers. If I thought that another country had deliberately spread a terrible poison on my country, I would give my life to fight that other country. Lies spread by American anti-DU activists like Rokke spread all over the world at lightning speed. I would be surprised if Al Jazeera and radical Islamist sites do not already …
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Natalie, I admire your guts, taking on these scientific illiterate bullies .. look forward to direct communication. I can not keep up with the fallout that my initial comments generated and have been off the computer most of the day. Roger The Bob Nichols articles make such outlandish claims, as has Leuren Moret in her testimony in the Kangaroo Court in Japan which according to the International Court in the Hague had no connection or jurisdiction. Nichols called Moret an emminent scientist. I expected to find someone with the credentials of a modern Madame Curie and instead found that Moret according …
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What really is frightening is that the anti-depleted uranium activists like Leuren Moret and Doug Rokke have done their best to scare the daylights out of you. Depleted uranium is not benign, but it also has caused no birth defects and has not created clouds swirling around the earth nor is the radiation level in Baghdad such that it is like taking a chest X-ray every two hours. Unfortunately, you need to do a little research beyond the typical far out sources and learn the facts. I provided references and the next poster, an apparently committed activist said she would not …
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http://hps.org/publicinformation/radterms/ Know what you are talking about, a lengthy list of radiation terms and their definitions is located here .. there also is a link to a number of fact sheets, including one on radiation and pregnancy.
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http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/cat57.html List of Ask the Expert Questions and Replies pertaining to Uranium at the Health Physics Society website .. a good place to learn from the experts, not the activists.
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Answer to Question #626 Submitted to "Ask the Experts" Category: Uranium The following question was answered by an expert in the appropriate field: Q: I intend to travel shortly to Yugoslavia to visit my parents who live outside a city that was bombed by NATO. In view of the latest scare about depleted uranium munitions that NATO used in the area I intend to bring them a portable Geiger counter so that they can check the area around their house and food that they buy on the market. Would you advise such a measure and what should they do if they …
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What is a CHP - A CHP is a Certified Health Physicist, something that Doug Rokke, Leuren Moret or Bob Nichols are not! To become a CHP, American Board of Health Physics requires: General Requirements for Certification Academics. Must possess at least a bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university in physical science, engineering, mathematics, or in a biological science with a minor in physical science, engineering, or mathematics. Experience. An applicant must have at least six years of responsible professional experience in health physics. At least three years of the experience must have been in applied health physics. The …
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I note in one of the earlier responses to my posting which is documentable in a 1990 memo from Colonel Day to Captains Armstrong, Brannon and Carter, that Lieutenant Rokke is emphasizing that he is a Major .. Lieutenant Rokke was the Army Reservist activated for service in Desert Storm, subsequent to that time, Lieutenant Rokke was apparently promoted to Captain and Major in the United States Army Reserve. Douglas Lind Rokke is not a retired Regular Army office in the grade of major, which is what Dr Rokke (who also never emphasizes that his post-Desert Storm doctorate in Education has …
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Rokke seems to be the one who has chosen to use my actual name .. he has forgotten that I am not in the USAF, but like him am a retired reservist. Unlike him, I get absolutely nothing but heartache and being spat on by the anti-DU movement for opposing the lies that he has spread. He on the other hand gets to travel the world at the expense of the anti-DU movement and spout his lies. His latest lies pertain to his own safety, he asserts that he has been the target of a "hit squad" and about the attack …
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Answer to Question #746 Submitted to "Ask the Experts" Category: Uranium Q: How are bullets made by depleted uranium, and what reactions do they cause when they enter into contact with the ground and with humans? A: Because of its very high density -- nearly twice that of lead -- and certain other properties, depleted uranium is used in certain kinds of munitions because of its ability to penetrate heavily armored vehicles such as tanks and armored personnel carriers. Depleted uranium (DU) is not used in small cartridges or bullets for rifles or machines guns but alloyed DU is used in …
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Ask the Experts .. How are bullets made from depleted uranium (continued from previous comment which was cut short by 4000 character limit) Health physicists are deeply concerned with the public health and welfare, and as experts in radiation and its effects on people and the environment, are quite aware that something other than exposure to uranium is the cause of the illnesses suffered by those who have had contact with depleted uranium from munitions. A truly enormous body of scientific data shows that it is virtually impossible for uranium to be the cause of their illnesses. Despite this body of …
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Answer to Question #4549 Submitted to "Ask the Experts" Category: Uranium The following question was answered by an expert in the appropriate field: Q: I am going to protest military training in Australia where US and Australian troops will be using depleted uranium ammunition. I've heard the dust can become airborne for 10s of kilometres. Is there a danger? Do I need to buy a respirator? Do you know of an affordable respirator that will effectively filter the dust? A: There should be no danger to you from airborne depleted uranium, and it is therefore unnecessary for you to purchase or …
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Ammonia D .. just exactly what can you determine about my political leanings .. I just am a porcupine .. I bristle. Far as politics, I voted for George McGovern through John Kerry, not for Reagan, Bush either one, nor Nixon! So much for your crystal ball, now read some factual information or admit that you are an ignoramus.
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The 2005 Sandia report describes what happens. Vapors are not the issue. Dust is and the dust remains close to the impact point because of its high specific gravity. DU projectiles do not in themselves explode .. they cause fuel/munitions within the struck tank to explode. They do burn on impact and this causes the self-sharpening which makes them an extremely effective tank killer. Read the 208 page Sandia report. Your tax dollars paid for it; you might as well learn something from it. Dr Caldicott is neither a Health Physicist nor a Geologist and is not really an "expert" on …
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Lindorff, Less radioactive than naturally occuring Uranium and it is substantially less so .. you are no objective reporter, but a shill for the activists. Did you read the Health Physics Society DU Fact Sheet? No, that would be actual research instead of lapping up whatever Rokke feeds you. Now as to the slop he fed you, did you ask for Rokke's last efficiency report from the Chemical School that resulted in his beiong fired from civil service, not one that contains the usual puffery that Rokke received, like most military and civilian workers, before his incompetence was discovered. No, I …
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Rabbitvoz is a "real man" or is he .. if he were, instead of sniping from the woods, he would step out in the open and declare who he is instead of hiding behind a pseudonymn. I made a mistake by using my real first name, but so what .. I just do not want my inbox filled with drivel such as Rabbitvoz dishes out. So Rabbitvoz, step out in the open and declare who you are, you know how to find me. I do not take kindly to being called a shill .. shills deceptively work for others and I …
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Hey rabbit dung .. if I have masters, then tell them I need a pay check! But then accuracy never was particularly important to you and I see that you still lack the cojones to write me direct and identify yourself and who funds you. r*h*e*l*b*i*g@c#a#l#i#f#o#r#n#i#a-spelledoutinfull.com -- I think that they have pretty good spam protection ..
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Rabbit Dung, Since you seem to like Rokke and Nichol's fiction, I guess you want to be party to a libel suit. Rokke is a civilian, so am I .. we both are retired reservists. He pushes his Doctorate .. but never tells you that his having a Phd gives him any real knowledge about the subject. I am not even sure that he is a retired reservist. I have requested a copy of his military records. There will be no war crime trial because there is no war crime and debating some @#$$%hole like you on the internet is not …
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I sent the following to Axis of Logic on 4/17/05 .. they made minor changes to this false article .. the truth matters very little to them. Unfortunately, bold text also does not come through in this comment block. As noted in the bold text embedded within, the following article on the Axisoflogic.com web site which has been widely disseminated throughout the internet in the past week is false and slanderous and should be retracted. Air Force Colonel Abuses American Citizens over Uranium Weapons Coverup By Dr. Doug Rokke, US Army, Ret., and Bob Nichols, Project Censored Award Winner Apr 12, …
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Previous demand for retraction (cont) Rokke never was in charge of the Pentagon's depleted uranium project, but it is important for him and Nichols to make people believe that because no one would attend Rokke's lectures or join their movement if he revealed just how low down the totem pole Army Reserve Lieutenant Rokke was in Kuwait after the Gulf War. The Special Assistant for Deployment Health, Department of Defense described Rokke's claims and role as follows in response to an e-mail inquiry from me: We can offer some accurate information to correct the record. Rokke is a private citizen and …
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Demand for Retraction from Axis of Logic dated 4/17/05 (cont) Rokke added "Unless you can do so, please cease and go away. But before you go away you still have not answered; why you, as an United States Air Force officer, refuse to support my / our actions to ensure that United States Department of Defense officials provide medical care to all DU casualties and clean up all environmental contamination as required by AR 700-48 and TB 9-1300-278; and, that medical care is provided to all DU casualties as required by Lt General Ron Peake's April 29, 2004 order." I really …
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I see that James Salsman, the intrepid internet researcher now claims to be more expert than Dr. Melissa McDairmid who does the research. He has a massive collection of things he thinks answer the questions, but if you want to see how little he really knows, read the many replies from the experts on the Radsafe list. Then you will find that he spins considerably, sounding believable only to those who know less than he does.
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Rabbit Dung certainly has an endless supply of bovine excrement .. his latest .. claim the DU is a banned chemical and nuclear weapon .. First, who banned it .. the anti-DU crusaders, Rokke, Salsman, Rabbit Dung and their hangers on .. the UN hasn't. The International Court in the Hague never recognized the War Crimes Kangaroo Courts at which another anti-DU crusader Leuren Moret testified. Second .. Depleted Uranium is neither a chemical nor nuclear weapon. A Chemical Agent is a gas, the first was Chlorine Gas, used by the Germans in WW-I in trench warfare; then Mustard, then the …
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Given the following statement in Boston Globe article about study of the foreign fighters in Iraq, "Obaid said in an interview from London that his Saudi study found that ''the largest group is young kids who saw the images [of the war] on TV and are reading the stuff on the Internet. Or they see the name of a cousin on the list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a responsibility to go."" What effect do you anti-DU activists think that you are creating? I think you are helping to create suicide bombers. Are you proud …
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Dave Llindorf -- I see that you are a truly objective reporter .. jumping to conclusions without having done any independent research. How much of your article is just lifted from the New York Daily News article (I can't tell because I don't really have the bucks .. the paymasters have not come through .. to obtain the article(s) from the Daily News archives .. A real investigative reporter would verify that Sergeant Matthews really had symptoms of depleted uranium poisioning, not that Asaf Durakovic, who seems to ignore naturally occuring uranium when he makes his pronouncements of being able to …
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Sri, DU is a metal, it is not soluble in water. DU is not used to strengthen bullets, but as a bullet, just like a piece of lead, another heavy metal. Learn more about what DU is by going to www.hps.org and looking at the Ask the Expert Section on Uranium which includes their fact sheet on DU.
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It would be instructive to find out who funds Bovik.org and what James Salsman does for a living .. he certainly has not got much time to do anything else but try and confuse people about DU. Also curious what this organization is. Maybe you should enlighten this comment forum about just exactly who James Salsman is and how he funds this endless attack against depleted uranium. I am going to send Professor Emeritus Ronald L. Kathren your comments .. maybe he will reply, but he does not exactly look like he is in the pocket of the DU munitions industry. …
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Mr Salsman, You indicate that you have a minor in Chemistry; I was under the impression that one has to have a baccalaureate degree and a major in order to have a minor. I initially also was under the impression that you were a graduate of Carnegie-Mellon University, but then both you and the University corrected me on your having actually completed the requirements for a degree there. Now, I do not recall that you completed the requirements for a degree at any institution of higher learning. Perhaps my memory is unclear on that point, would you care to clarify this …
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The function of depleted uranium munitions is to kill tanks, not pollute the countryside. Read the extensive Sandia report based on actual experimentation to determine the extent of the DU contaminated zone around an armored vehicle which has been hit with a DU armor penetrator. http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2005/def-nonprolif-sec/snl-dusand.pdf : "An Analysis of Uranium Dispersal and Health Effects Using a Gulf War Case Study"
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Rabbitvoz was removed from this website for inappropriate comments on this and at least one other article, but has reincarnated himself as the equally pestilent Ghost Rabbit ..who also should be banned if only for boring the rest of us to death. Anyway, no matter how much he blathers on, he no longer is deemed relevant and this is my final mention of him no matter how much Googling he does. Bye!
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David, It is nice that you can repeat the anti-DU activist mantra, but unfortunately, the use of DU is NOT a WAR CRIME and that is the fact. I confirmed that fact with the International Court in the Hague when Moret was bragging about her testimony before the kangaroo court in Japan about Afghanistan. I found that the Hague did not recognize that court, nor the kangaroo court subsequently held in Turkey about Iraq. If anyone wants to read about war crimes, go to your local library; most of them have the multi-volume proceedings from World War II. Read just a …
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Talking of organizing to spin lies, the anti-DU movement certainly has done enough of that .. ask Traprock Peace Center why they suddenly took down three pages from their website .. because someone found that they really aren't what Doug Rokke claimed them to be. David posits that use of DU should be a war crime because David has no accurate scientific knowledge of what DU is or is not. I am backgrounding Sergeant Matthews; I have a FOIA pending with the State of NY Dept of Military and Naval Affairs; I am backgrounding Asaf Durakovic; I am backgrounding Doug Rokke; …
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This rabbit jerk is a mindless idiot, speaking of over-reaching. He is really way in over his head .. I suspect that he got as far as 6th grade science if he managed to get that far. What I would like to know is LIST OWNER .. why did you allow Rabbit in any form once Rabbitvoz was kicked off for violating the terms of service.
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This Natalie post does not sound like Natalie .. The entire thing is baloney ...Rokke and Moret at their best, spinning to attract the 9/11 Truth Movement conspiracy theorists. Moret .. the only thing on Moret's resume that checks out is that she was once President of the Association of Women Geoscientists. She also worked in some capacity, not as a staff scientist at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory. She also dropped out of the UC Davis Geology doctoral program. The Radiation and Public Health Project had this to say about her claim to be a "staff member" RPHP has written six books, …
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Rabbit dung continues to slander .. he says I tried to hide my identity .. I signed my posts Roger, which led him to me .. even though he thinks he rates up there with the great sleuths of all time like Sherlock Holmes (of course Sherlock was a fictional character, so perhaps Rabbit dung is likewise) .. I have posted my real e-mail address in a spam proof format .. I challenge Rabbit dung and all of his fellow hangers on to do likewise .. this forum limits post sizes and is not amenable to the sending of attachments. I …
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From another article on Rokke by Greg Szymanski -- whose ArcticBeacon website does not hesitate to bring you all the conspiracy scams in the interest of your sending him a PayPal donation to keep him in the style to which he would like to be accustomed "Army Major Doug Rokke has been shot at, run off the road, threatened, harassed, black-balled, intimidated, called a liar and treated like a “hated enemy” not by opposition forces in Iraq, but by ‘secret ops’ in the U.S. government, obviously acting on orders from top military brass. And in May 2000 he was subjected to …
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I received the following comment in response to an inquiry about Rabbit and his many disguises .. I just read through those messages, and I wouldn't waste my time--"Rabbit" seems to be psychotic! Daniel Fahey also commented about DU and Traprock Peace Center's involvement with anti-war movement, which Traprock is trumpeting about educating. "DU has been an issue related to Iraq for a long time--I spoke at anti-sanctions events in the 90s, but at that time people were aware that much of Saddam's claims were propaganda, so the anti-sanctions folks largely avoided the issue. But the anti-war community has certainly picked …
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David of Canada .. you have a poor grasp of facts .. your rhetoric is strong, but you are clearly fact challenged .. what is your relation to rabbit dung? You initially posed a good question. DU has been used for counterweights on aircraft for a number of years .. it is extremely dense, more dense than lead and a DU counterweight thus can be much smaller than one made out of any other material. DU has also been considered to make small fork lift vehicles since the counterweights can be be substantially reduced in size. This enables much closer aisle …
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The Bob Nichols article is dictated by Doug Rokke, and yes, I intend to unmask him as the phony that he is .. the article is not true. I am a retired reservist, so is Rokke. Neither of us is in the active military or has been in the active duty military for many years .. I was on active duty from 69-74. Rokke was on active duty in 1991 and perhaps 1992. Bob Nichols is Rokke's designated hack; he never worked for a real newspaper or as a reporter of any kind before he became Rokke's hack.
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Since Skulker claims to have accurate information, let's start with his "one shell going off" .. Depleted Uranium armor penetrators are NOT shells .. a shell contains explosive and kills with shrapnel effect and the concussive blast .. DU armor penetrators do not contain explosive .. they are not shells. Now, given that he starts off with that wrong information, how much of the rest is accurate .. 2200 tons .. probably not, but no one knows for sure. What we do know is that even the A-10 tankbuster aircraft only fires one DU bullet out of 5 in a burst. …
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shell ammunition consisting of a cylindrical metal casing containing an explosive charge and a projectile; fired from a large gun http://www.wordreference.com/definition/shell
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For a "weapons expert", you sure don't seem to know much .. like the difference between "propellant" and "explosive" .. propellant is what you are talking about as the source of energy that propels the bullet at near supersonic speed out the cannon barrel .. "explosive" is the charge that fills the "shell" .. since DU armor penetrator munitions are not filled with "explosive" they are not shells. They do not even look like a shell .. they are stilleto shaped so that all that kinetic energy is concentrated at the end of a long thin point to punch through the …
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The claim .. "bursting into highly toxic, radioactive micro particles. Being so tiny, these particles can be ingested or inhaled after being deposited on the ground or carried kilometers away by the wind, the food chain or water" coupled with "It burns into a uranium ceramic gas, and a very find dust containing all sorts of radioactive muck that no mask or clothing can possibly protect you against" is untrue .. U238, as is all Uranium, is pyrophoric and does spontaneously ignite on impact. The resultant Uranium Oxide particles, however are not capable of being carried kilometers away in the wind, …
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I guess that is what happens when you rely on an unreliable source. I am surprised that Llindorf has not yet caught on that Rokke lives in a fantasy world cheered on by the DU activists who idolize him. Unfortunately, the real world has no DU M-16 bullets ..they would be quite useless as any infantryman could tell them .. they have little stopping power, just aren't big enough to even stop terrorists let alone a tank!
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From a list where actual experts, Certified Health Physicists with doctorates in Physics, not in Education of high school kids like Rokke ..one of them comments in response to an anti-DU gadfly who pretends to sound scientfic "Epidemiological studies require precise application of scientific methods, not random imaginary association of random observations. We are now being plagued by unscientific data misuse where the purpose is to "prove" some preconceived association following the fallacious method called "Affirming the Consequence". Many books have been published in recent years by activists that misuse data to promote their favorite imaginary radiation effect. Most scientists do …
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Ban bananas and ceramic tile .. they are genocidal .. From a professional list by a Radiation Safety Officer All ceramic tiles contain low-level radioactivity, usually uranium and its decay products. Earlier, a shipment of tiles from Italy was stalled at sea when it was found to contain radioactivity. Don't forget bananas in very large bunches are 'radioactive'. They are a good source of Potassium and consequently Potassium-40 Did any of you see the PBS show on the removal of the uranium from the German atomic pile (first generation nuclear reactor) .. one of the Army ALSOS team members still had …
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