Here's a nice set of pictures. See if you can refute these lies. http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/files/nuclear/fahey_jun_14_03.pdf
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Pale Rider
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Maybe the lies you tell to refute earlier lies can be construed as fear. How about a little more scholarly research to show you how foolish it is to try to trivialize the risks of DU? http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/files/nuclear/fetter_jun_14_03.pdf Oh, and perhaps this has been cited as well: http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/index.htm#tabl Funny how non-scientists like myself can come up with these things. Google seems to be the chink in the armor of the apologists. Perhaps Natalie ought to recuse herself from further discussion--it's hard to argue once someone has beaten their pithy arguments into the ground. No, better yet--Natalie: continue posting. Your lies help me …
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How would you like to help with the recovery of DU, Natalie? Here, see if this sounds like it is up your alley. If you were following the links listed above, you would have found this little ditty from the US military which shows that DU is perfectly harmless. Go ahead, Natalie, go to MOPP-4 and get to work! If DU is safe, why does the military recommend going to Mission Oriented Protection Posture 4, the highest possible level, to handle DU? Soldiers go to MOPP-4 when directly attacked by chemical weapons such as blister agents, nerve gas and radiological devices. …
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"None of the locations that you cited are in any way considered to be radiological materials waste dumps." Roger Ramjet, shame on you! Shame on you, LTC Helbig for lying and for trying to scare off good people who have proved you wrong time and time again! See the following: The use of DU weapons by the U.S., the U.K., and NATO in Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosova, and possibly Afghanistan over the past decade led to investigation and opposition in several countries. In 1999, MTP, the Laka Foundation (Netherlands), and the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium (UK) began the first attempt …
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More on the use of DU in the Balkans: According to his statements, official precise data on the relationship between the rapid increase of, above all, malignant illnesses in Republika Srpska and the type of weaponry that NATO used during the bombing, is not yet available. Unofficially, however, we learned that the report by the Yugoslav Expert committee confirmed that the Allied aviation used radioactive projectiles; and due to the strictly confidential nature of this information, that document is unavailable to the public. When asked why official Belgrade sources and the ruling heads of Republika Srpska are silent about this, Stankovic …
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Basic numbers on the widespread use of DU: even CNN contradicts the good LTC Helbig and his parade of shameful lies. Uranium arms warning issued in 1991 January 15, 2001 LONDON, England -- Nuclear safety advisers for the British Government warned 10 years ago about the potential health hazards of controversial uranium tipped weapons. The UK Atomic Energy Authority's 1991 report warned that depleted uranium (DU) shells left in Kuwait after the Gulf War were potentially harmful. DU weapons have been linked -- although there is no solid scientific proof -- to illnesses among peacekeepers who served in the Balkans, where …
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LOW INTENSITY NUCLEAR WAR by Michel Chossudovsky Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, author of "The Globalization of Poverty", second enlarged edition, Common Courage Press, 2001. The death from leukemia of eight Italian peacekeepers stationed in Bosnia and Kosovo sparked an uproar in the Italian Parliament, following the leaking of a secret military document to the Italian newspaper La Republicca. In Portugal, the Defense Ministry was also involved in what amounted to a deliberate camouflage of "the cause of death" of Portuguese peacekeeper Corporal Hugo Paulino. "'Citing "herpes of the brain', the army refused to allow his family to commission a …
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-continued- In docile complicity, a new media consensus has unfolded: the mainstream press concurs without further scrutiny that only "peace-keepers" breathe the air. "But what about everybody else."6 In Kosovo some 2 million civilian men, women and children have been exposed to the radioactive fallout since the beginning of the bombing in March 1999. In the Balkans, more than 20 million people are potentially at risk: "The risk in Kosovo and elsewhere in the Balkans is augmented by the uncertainty of where DU was dropped in whatever form and what winds and surface water movements spread it further. Working the fields, …
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-continued- COVER-UP The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Health Organization (WHO) have tacitly accepted NATO-Pentagon assumptions concerning the health impacts of depleted uranium. When UNEP conducted its first assessment of DU radiation in Kosovo in 1999, NATO refused to provide the mission with maps indicating the locations of "affected areas" (points of impact where DU shells had fallen). On the pretext that "there was insufficient data available to comprehensively address the issue of the impacts of depleted uranium ordnance," UNEP produced an inconclusive and noncommittal "desk study" which was appended to the 1999 Balkans Task Force Report (BTF) …
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UNEP AND NATO WORKING HAND IN GLOVE Amidst the public outcry and mounting evidence of cancer among Balkans military personnel, UNEP conducted a second assessment in November 2000 which included field measurements of beta and gamma particle radiations in 11 so-called "affected areas" of Kosovo. Despite NATO's earlier refusal to collaborate with UNEP, the two organizations are currently working hand in glove. The composition of the mission was established in consultation with NATO. The representative from Greenpeace (involved in the 1999 study) had been dumped. The broader health issues were not part of the mission's terms of reference. The two medical …
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CONTAMINATION OVER A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA According to NATO sources (communicated to UNEP), some 112 sites in Yugoslavia (of which 72 are in Kosovo) were targeted during the war with depleted uranium antitank shells. Between 30,000 and 50,000 DU shells were fired. Scientific evidence amply confirms that the DU radioactive aerosol spreads from "the point of release" over a large geographical area suggesting that large parts of the province of Kosovo are contaminated. "[R]adioactive derivatives can linger in the air for months ''Just one particle in the lungs is enough--a single particle could travel to the lymph nodes, where the radioactivity …
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-my final posting on this matter for now. LTC Helbig, shame on you and shame on your shills for lying.-- According to official records, some 1800 Balkans peacekeepers (Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo) suffer from health ailments related to DU radiation. Assuming the same level of risk (as a percentage of population), the numbers of civilians throughout former Yugoslavia affected by DU radiation would be in the tens of thousands. British scientist Roger Coghill suggests, in this regard, that "throughout the Balkan region, there will be an extra 10,150 deaths from cancer because of the use of DU. That will include local …
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And lest anyone forget what this is really all about: LTC Roger Helbig, United States Air Force: A Bully Pushing Around Civilians -- Air Force Colonel Abuses American Citizens over Uranium Weapons Coverup By Dr. Doug Rokke, US Army, Ret., and Bob Nichols, Project Censored Award Winner Apr 11, 2005, 23:57 April 11, 2005 -- (Oklahoma City) "Individuals on web sites throughout the United States have complained over a period of months about the abusive and aggressive actions of an Air Force Lieut. Colonel named Roger Helbig," stated Project Censored Award Winning writer Bob Nichols. "Col. Helbig has consistently misrepresented himself …
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Answer these facts, Roger Ramjet: The military are not the only users of depleted uranium, it is used as a counterweight in some aircraft. El Al Flight LY 1862 crashed into a block of flats on the outskirts of Amsterdam (October 1992). Apart from the immediate consequences of the crash (at least 43 people killed on the ground, the exact number not known due to illegal immigrants living in the area), 850 people have since fallen ill as a consequence of a giant fireball that erupted from the plane and choking white smoke. The plane was known to be carrying 1,500 …
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David in Canada, Excellent posts! Thank you for the info on aircraft! I searched high and low and all I found was the article on the El Al Flight LY 1862 that crashed in Amsterdam (October 1992). What say you, Roger Ramjet? Natalie? Any other ideological hacks want to nose around in the tail of a commercial aircraft?
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To the group: This is a horrible thread and this has been painful to read through. If Natalie and Ramjet like DU so much, I hope some DU finds its way into their hot little hands. In These Times--shame on you. This discussion got out of hand because you allowed trolls to run amok. Rabbit and Eadora and others have cited the truth and Ramjet and Natalie have cited lies produced in order to provide a veil of secrecy over the issue of DU. Depleted Uranium is a highly dangerous and criminally misunderstood element of modern warfare. The track record of …
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The fact the depleted uranium is only slightly radioactive and relatively non-toxic does not seem to have any impact on Mr. S or the other anti-DU crowd. The over 50 years of scientific studies of the toxicity of uranium and the recent studies by the Department of Defense are never referenced by the anti-DU fanatics. I wish that they would put their energy into causes that would be societally beneficial such as campaigning against cigarette smoking (100,000 deaths per year) or the development of clean nuclear power to provide energy independence for out nation (we already have all the nuclear fuel …
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Published on Friday, March 24, 2000 in the Philadelphia Inquirer 'Plowshares Vs Depleted Uranium' Activists Face Harsh Jail Sentences by David O'Reilly TOWSON, Md. - The judge in the tumultuous trial of four Roman Catholic peace activists charged with vandalizing two A-10 Warthog bombers at a nearby military base stunned the courtroom yesterday by imposing long prison sentences. The four, who turned their backs on the judge on Wednesday and refused to cooperate with their own defense, chose not to enter the courtroom yesterday after instructing their lawyers to make no closing arguments or sentencing pleas for them. The lawyers, who …
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-article continues- The U.S. Department of Defense maintains that depleted uranium is only slightly radioactive and poses no significant health hazard. When trial began on Monday, Smith said he would not allow expert testimony on the health hazards of depleted uranium ordnance, and he refused to allow the defendants to argue that their symbolic acts of vandalism - what they call "conversion" - were morally justified because of the hazards of depleted uranium. Nevertheless, Berrigan and Walz, who represented themselves, and the three defense lawyers tried repeatedly to inject references to depleted uranium, which provoked immediate objections by Norman. Most of …
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However, we now know depleted uranium is so dangerous that the states--not the Federal government--are taking steps to protect people: Depleted Uranium: States Take Action to Protect Their Soldiers and Veterans Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:17:50 -0700 By Kevin Zeese Louisiana passes law giving returning veterans the right to get tested Louisiana recently passed legislation giving all returning veterans the right to get a best practices health screening test for exposure to depleted uranium. Interviewed here is Bob Smith, one of the activists that helped make this bill possible. He is with the Louisiana Activist Network. He is also I am …
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I then became concerned about what could be done to bring this issue out into the public conversation. Leuren told me about a young lady in Connecticut, Melissa Sterry, who was doing something about it. Working with Rep Patricia Dillon of Connecticut they were introducing a bill to have all of their state’s veterans tested. The always unselfish Melissa willingly shared a copy of the Connecticut bill with me. Melissa had been a member of a depleted uranium clean-up team after Gulf War I. She herself was very sick and had six of her eight team members die since returning home. …
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Zeese: What are your next steps? Smith: We have been having awareness sessions at coffeehouses and public events to educate the public, either by passing out literature, making educational speeches, posting literature on the internet, or showing documentaries. We are also communicating with advocates in other states by sharing information, resources, networking, and offering tips to help. And if that doesn’t work I may just stand on top of the roof and scream out the truth. Note: I retired after 20 years in the Army and National Guard as a Command Sergeant Major, serving three tours in Viet Nam as a …
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That was quick, radchemist. Ramjet, whatever. Show me where Doug Rokke has been disproven by someone other than the military--the only organization that would stand to lose something by NOT discrediting him. Standard tactic these days. It is you who wants to change the subject and avoid whether the 'dose' is being properly measured. Having been in uniform, and having been in areas where MOPP 4 posture has been required training, I can honestly say that I am extremely pleased that I never came within more than a few miles of the DU currently discarded on the ranges in Korea or …
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SILENT GENOCIDE by Robert C. Koehler March 25, 2004 "After the Americans destroyed our village and killed many of us, we also lost our houses and have nothing to eat. However, we would have endured these miseries and even accepted them, if the Americans had not sentenced us all to death." This will not be easy to read, especially if you've projected evil out of your own heart, into some cave in Afghanistan or a spider hole in Iraq, and reduced the age-old question it inspires to this one: How can we bomb it off the face of the earth? Before …
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-continued- The numbers are overwhelming, but the potential horrors only get worse. DU dust does more than wreak havoc on the immune systems of those who breathe or touch it; the substance also alters one's genetic code. Thus, birth defects are way up in Afghanistan since the invasion: children "born with no eyes, no limbs, tumors protruding from their mouths . . . deformed genitalia," according to the tribunal report. This ghastly toll on the unborn -- on the future -- has led investigators to coin the term "silent genocide" to describe the effects of this horrific weapon. The Pentagon's response …
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Excerpts of a hearing on Depleted Uranium: http://www.lloyd-gwii.com/admin/ManagedFiles/2/GULF2309 00.doc 14. THE CHAIRMAN: Sorry, say that again? A. If depleted uranium is being excreted in the urine, together with the natural uranium that we excrete anyway, that will manifest as a perturbation in the ratio of the two isotopes, uranium 235 and 238, so you will have relatively less uranium 235 as compared with 238 if you made a comparison with somebody who was just excreting natural uranium. So the tests that we have been developing look for perturbation of the isotope ratio in the urine. The techniques that are used to …
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More excerpts - excellent testimony from a 'non-American' source, the Brits. THE CHAIRMAN: What is proposed now? You have been looking at 32 over the last three years or so. What is proposed now? A. We only got to the stage of being able to do that earlier this year, and having successfully completed that pilot testing today we are announcing in the press the start of the main testing programme. 26. THE CHAIRMAN: I think we have read it in the press already. I thought I read it in The Times. A. It is in The Times. There is an …
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More excerpts- THE CHAIRMAN: I have two other short questions. Obviously you have taken account of any research that has been going on in the United States, have you? What is your position? A. Yes, we have liaison with the groups in the United States that are doing work in this area and I think on this they are a bit behind us. 38. THE CHAIRMAN: We have had, as you probably know, evidence from the United States on depleted uranium. I was just wondering whether you were abreast of all that. You must be? A. I try to keep abreast …
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Report by Lord Lloyd of Berwick, Great Britain: http://www.lloyd-gwii.com/admin/ManagedFiles/2/Gulf120405.doc Lord Lloyd: What was the purpose of this inquiry; why were we set up in the first place? We were set up by Lord Morris, as you all know, as an independent inquiry simply because the Government had refused to set up an inquiry themselves despite continuous pressure from the Royal British Legion since 1997. What was purpose? The answer is simple: our purpose was to listen to what people had to say, especially what the veterans had to say; to hear about their illnesses; to hear about the complaints which they …
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Dr Graveston, from the inquiry testimony cited above: It is now 14 years since the end of the first Gulf War and many veterans have lost their health, their livelihoods, their families, their homes, their self esteem and sadly, for some, their lives. It is very disappointing that the Ministry of Defence although I would have to say looking at the MoD’s track record on Gulf veterans’ illness it is not surprising have generally tried to ignore the Lloyd inquiry findings and that the MoD declined to give evidence in person. The MoD, however, did send a doctor - and in …
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Whoa--too much science? Too much citation of fact, testimony and firsthand knowledge? Don't let it all blow your mind at once.
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>>>I am a scientist myself with 25 years experience on dealing with radioactive materials. Well, a scientist would be troubled by the presence of high amounts of DU in the urine and in the body of individuals who have been exposed to the substance, correct? The problem is, anyone can claim expert authority. I make no such claim for myself whatsoever. I will not spew bullcrap and pretend to be something that I am not. I am simply a Veteran who believes that the VA is underfunded and understaffed and has been overwhelmed by DU victims the same way it has …
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