Kouchner the "Great Humanitarian" ? After a strong beginning, he has been promoting himself as such for decades now, but that idea should have been exploded by the mid-Nineties. Great success in Kosovo, wot ? The power of the medja again ! He is caricatured here as always carrying a sack of rice over his shoulder, an insider joke that at one time he always arranged for the TV cameras, and some humanitarian goodies to be delivered, wherever he went . This self-promotion worked for many french as well as Mr Zizek. "According to most of the polls, the main reason …
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Kuya, Your writing is exactly the same as that of General Sir David Ramsbotham. He was one of the recent "Her Majesty's Inspectors of Prisons" in the UK . H e was a soldier of the Queen, for forty years, and now he is pissing in the wind over prison reform. One very angry ex -soldier.
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nyjets -- victims of crime, and/or their relatives, have a wide variety of responses as to what should be done with the perps. Taking your argument to the extreme, we could do away with the courts' sentencing powers altogether . Then a pure question of luck as to what sort of family sentences you ? I did look it up, but am not 100l;ear on how bad an offence has to be to count as a "felony" in the US . Maybe it varies from one state to another, too ? One thing I do know is that white-collar criminals who …
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The City of Cherbourg and other municipalities in France had a long fight too. It was worth it ! Meanwhile, the same companies are hard at work in Africa, etcetc ...
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Cabby and Heck disagree here and here, but seem both aghast at the disappearance of 'Real Jobs and Careers ' in the US ? I recently saw a french film, "Ma Mondialisation" , based on interviews, and travels to China, with a french CEO . His company was based ina valley full of such hi-tech enterprises, but now most have already been bought up by international Pension Funds, and the machines sold to India and China. He now has , within 5 years , to transfer ALL the production processes to China. Hitherto, he kept some back in france, the most …
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Hi cabby Just found this by a professor of accounting at my old uni -- http://www.ukwatch.net/article/britain_and_the_next_enron The power of those TNC's is breathtaking, is it not . Your economic logic is perfectly correct, IF our legislators actually had our interests at heart , or even a modicum of enlightened self-interest. . Horrible old Henry Ford paid his workers sufficient for them to buy his cars . Increasingly I am reminded of Tuchman's "The March of Folly" , in particular the chapter on how the brits managed to lose a particular colony . Very careless . I just heard Robert Reich welcoming …
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cabby 20may Walmart employees on food stamps another example of draining the economy...
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'Unpredictable' is the word . konformer-- thanks for the article. Reminded me of some stuff that I hadn't concentrated enough on. Fabius, and particularly DSK and Royal, are all too far to the Right for me; and I am NOT "far-left" at all. We all live in mixed economies. Should any french-speakers turn up here, an interesting speech by Bayrou at Evreux a coupla weeks ago. Bayrou I particularly appreciated his view on immigration, which was to understand that Life in much of Africa is such hell that people will die to get somewhere better, ( as many …
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Mike, I prefer you when you're being civilised, as when you discuss with Recursive Prophet . Cabby, You too ! Years ago, and late already in the day, I realised that the Israeli state had become somewhat similar to the former oppressors of the Jews and many others .
Israel is very close to a fascist state, if ever there was one ....cabby 22jan 1135h .
We've disagreed before over the influence of the Zionist Lobby in the US. I'd include the UK and France to that, but that's a detail. The simple fact for me is that any President …Posted to Spoils of War
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Rarely seen such a thread for 'flaming', and I do agree with Canuck -- being civilised doesn't cost much, and gets me further faster. Viewing the present debacle in Iraq, and the fact we are still disputing the causes of and reasons for it, how equally difficult to be sure about the Danzig Corridor ? Imputing geo-strategic reasons to Austen Chamberlain, and WS Churchill, which , perhaps, MAYBE, they were ignorant of, just goes to show how one can 'over-interpret' historical decisions. Cabby may be correct as to Hitler's mad ambitions to conquer the whole world. The networks of agents throughout …
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Canuck-- your Peace Train pix should be compulsory watching for the undecided . ( Heck - it's not a video ... ) Heck --- -In the past I have called you a"bloody-minded old thing" when you buy into this war of civilisations stuff, but since we agree so whole-heartedly on Globalisation, standards in public life, environment, etc, have long since agreed to differ on some points. Also you are a highly critical researcher, a useful type to have around. Roosevelt / Germany declaring War --- moot point . Maybe if we were in a single room, things would actually be more …
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About three years ago I started wondering if life had been better under Saddam. Michael Moore's film was no very great shakes, but one image stayed with me -- those kids playing football in the street. No helicopters, no gunfire, no bombs. Now just about everyone is coming around to accepting it was better under Saddam. What a waste.
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Wolf plastic shredders may be true, but the proof is strangely lacking. The Kuweit incubator babies story has been definitely traced back to an American PR firm. You display your deep ignorance about that part of the world by describing them as "primitive cultures" . They are a mix of ancient tribal societies and large numbers of people who are as 'modern' as anyone in the US or Europe. A doctor or engineer may also have a close family relationship with his or her tribe, but obviously has advanced beyond it . By repeating simplistic propaganda bullshit, you make a fool …
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Hi Dave, I saw you got the furry message of love, too . And 'no', i have not yet bought my electrically assisted bicycle to replace the ute for short trips, but that will happen ! Living in the US, Canuckistan, Europistan, we all live within cultures that still have primitive sides to them. When was the last nigga publicly lynched by Wolfy and friends ? Not that long ago at all. Well, maybe he didn't do it , poisonally. Perhaps his loving father. Nice people, some of those yanks. Of course every dead EYE-RAQI is a good one, so no …
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No chance Mike. They're going to go down with him, not on him. US and UK and the other stooges are technically liable under various bits of the Geneva and Hague Conventions for not looking after the people in Occupied Territory.
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Fascinating article. I enjoyed the transition between the first half , when the students were enjoying the explanation of the 'well-oiled machine' , understanding the WSJ at last, and later on when Allan Sanderson went into his Adam Smith ( "almost like--- Propaganda" ) spiel on Free Trade, and they revolted. I'm in regular contact with a young man beginning economics, and seeing him going through this learning phase. All Classical stuff so far ! Adam Smith wrote in the mid 19th Century, so no shame on him for not forseeing the recent developments in the derivatives markets, and much else. …
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Hi Heck an Cabby Losing posts at mom, this to check.... EDIT ....at last. What Joe Stiglitz has called the "ideological simplistic view on Free Trade" is promulgated particularly in intro economics, which is what most of the populace gets, if anything . Its what the MSM flogs 24/7, too. The WSJ article from heck is pure cloudcuckoo land.
"as workers lose jobs in one sector ...they move on to better jobs and higher pay "... "growing buffers against risk ............."
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JON B HERE'S A NICE ONE ON """PROTECTIONISM """. tongue very near cheek.............. Every time I hear some well-heeled safe-jobbed hypocrite lecturing us on "competitiveness", I wanna reach for Heck's .45 .
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JonB I posted the article, as a 'spoof', and thought I should mention the 'tongue in cheek bit . Seems it was needed, not 100% sure you got the GOAK ! If EVER, anyone thought wars were a good way way of sorting out international problems, WELL send the Oldies into the front line, because they made the decision. Imagining different futures are what we are all about. The south american kids who 'learned " Economics in the USA, have choices to make. As do we all.. Here in frogland, the same story. I have a friend with a very small …
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Last week, the UN's Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the BBC that he agreed with Iraqis who claim life in Iraq is worse than it was when Saddam was in power saying, " . . . their kids could go to school and come back home without a mother or father worrying 'am I going to see my child again?'" Libertarian columnist Ilana Mercer in her article, "At least Saddam kept order," has this to say, "To be fair, Saddam's last major massacre was in 1991, during which only 3,000 Shiites were murdered," adding, "That's less than the monthly quota under 'democracy.'" …
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Heck, John B, we are in that same boat. Would-be factory workers in Mexico who lost their last job, to a guy somewhere else in Mexico who would work for less than him, peasant-farmers in India enthralled to the sellers of GMO seeds and the necessary fertilisers, my neighbour french farmers trapped on the same merrygoround of producing yet more more milk to be exported , free, to Africa, or somewhere. With subsidies. The so-called "intellectual arguments" supporting this crap are BOGUS. Long ago , my UK sarge and Heck's told us " Bullshit Baffles Brains". Sorree ! Not true. There …
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And now today, most of French Water is owned by the Multinationals.
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JonB I've been following those same guys from this side of the pond, and Dorgan. ralph nader describes some similar positive activity in this piece. Between us we've seen around us the catastrophic effects in human and societal costs of the so-called Blabla ""free"" movement of capital and trade. Hundreds of anecdotes may add up to just one big unprovable anecdote ! But .............I'm convinced that we have exchanged a moderately inefficient but socially stable world for something far worse. The eternal quest for higher productivity from hyper-mobile Capital is the cause. Maybe my marxist friend cabby/denis will …
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Jon B ""revisiting """ cafta nafta wto imf wb, EEC, e t c... YUP, YOU BET, lotsa revisiting to be done, and much of it comes back to those simple ideas in Econ 101 which were goin to solve all problems, eventually. Protectionism is a dirty word . Weel to hell with it, I'm goin to start talking a little dirty in the runup to our presidentials . PS Norm Stamper of LEAP ( law enforcement against prohibition) did an article here a while back. Most interesting example of fact that people can learn, change .
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Heck, I must confess I do not master all the deets of NAFTA , but I have doubts about anything being too late to change. If that were true, nothing would ever get changed ? The russkis seem to have a clearer view of this, as Putin kicks out Shell from its majority participation in Sakhalin. Any trade agreement which turns out not to be in the national interest depends in the end on 'Power'. The South American dictators 'disappeared' and tortured their opponents and many complete innocents too. They were fully supported by the US in that. Operation Condor. Kissinger …
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Cleaners !
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Here in Europe the "Free Market Theorisers" have mostly taken over the European Commission. Like the GOP with Bush in Congress. Let the Polluters regulate Pollution . Great ! Let the Arms Manufacturers and AIPAC decide International policy. Really great ! Fortunately, all is not bad, as different parts of europe disagree -- GMO's are illegal here under European Law, but france has not yet passed it into french law . SO, france has to pay , might have to pay eventually, 360000Euros a day for not passing those laws, while at the same time legally attacking friends of mine for …
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Heck - confess I ain't deeply studied, or to be honest , studied at all ! , SOX, but when the really big boys complain about it, it can't be bad . So I can't answer your enron question, .............yet. Seatbelts we agree make sense. It saves society cash on repairing unnecessarily injured to do some enforcement, BUT, I got caught within the speedlimit last month, just before putting on my belt leaving town, and it cost me a quarter of my driving licence (4 points out of twelve) and 90E---- $120. That's going too far -- it hits the poor …
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Jon B Yes. They're working hard against Sarbanes-Oxley, because cos are exiting to the London Stock Exchange which is Oh so lightly and inefficiently regulated. That is competition, competition in a race for lower standards, less protection for the People. Welfare for corporations. See Fast Food Nation for that applied to the food industry, the book 100 times better than the film... heck, nice one here from Scott Ritter on the usefulness of writing letters to your Representatives in Congress !
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Hi jon; Testing meat regularly I understand, gotta keep them up to standard. Remember from the book how happy the workers were to produce meat for Old Europe, the higher vet standards meant the management had to slow the lines ? Veges not so easy I expect. Why should the slaves wash their hands, after all. Heck The Great Risk Shift tell when you get DSL plentya fun videos out there. And some less fun, but good. PS see I'm coming from deutschland again, when are they goin to realise I'm not a terrist ? Well, to make …
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Jon B like the bit about the "libertarian" part of your brain, know what you mean . Maybe Take theTEST at politicalcompass ? Thursday night is --- down to the best country pub in normandy (maybe the world...) , pick up bread and goatcheese from local farming friends, , and to talk to real people ,.. not that my netfriends are un-real...., often about the same things we discuss here. The globalisin steamroller in europe now means postal services gonna be privatised, so long queues at the PO for christmas card stamps, they're cutting staff. and service. politics here warming …
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Hi Heck on drugs 'norm stamper' ( name from memory ? ), coupla articles in archives here at ITT , and LEAP organisation, worth a look ---- all commonsense, but good for additional ammo for one's own arguments. Yes on the big picture . Those who scramble up the greasy pole to power so often have extraordinary gaps in their knowledge, understanding, analyses . "thinking time" missing was one of my first impressions of tonyblair, and that applies to a majority of "em . Have a good time these next few days, and seeya !
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TEX "eluding" the police over TWELVE Marijuana plants , are you really sure this should be a serious risk to your life ? URANUS -- agreed, 99% ! I can , just, imagine cases where that would be better than shooting, but only under extremely high supervision. The temptation to use these as instruments of torture, and the ease with which this can be done, says NO to me. We had a case in France of this sort, repeated "tazering" of an arrested demonstrator for no other reason than that.
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WTH -- back to THE subject on which we mostly agree. Well, agree on the symptoms-- still looking for some cures...
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HECK Good to see you .... One serious suggestion to escape madness IS to ration ones' intake of propaganda .( otherwise known as "news" programmes) . The squeeze is on here too, of course, but slightly more mitigated by government interventions than stateside. As with your politicians, if they are all saying the same thing, repeated blabla by the Press, strong odds they are all wrong . What is the use of "Economic Growth", if associated with vastly increasing numbers of working (and nonworking) poor ? Have you read Byron Dorgan yet, ? I meant to order, but got busy. with …
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Hi Heck With a reading-list like that i guess you will SOON be waiting for Wiley, gglodoe, Rabbit an' me in the GWB- Halliburton Rehabililtation Facility. What times we'll have while they decide if we are really Terrists . Here in frogland you can work for any number of employers for (i think 6mos) which then gives a good six mos 'decreasing' benefit starting from 56% of previous earnings. At the end of benef, you move over to a RMI--- minimum income--- so you get SOMETHING, until somebody can prove you ain't "trying". . Interesting you selected Ehrenreich as your favourite, …
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Hi Heck good article on Lane Evans this issue -- heck country. "Wartime powers" become permanent loss of freedoms when war becomes the permanent state of affairs, as with the Bush Long War against ........... whatever it was ? I'd also disagree strongly that the bushproblem is one of poor presentation --- to me lousy analysis and policies, which even a better "Presenter" like Tony Blair cannot win on for ever, are still----lousy . Busy here, freezing nights, sunny days, so cutting those trees that shade my windows in winter --- gotta let the old Sun through, it makes a great …
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HECK good stuff from molly ! Did my bit this morning, out with my State Rep distributing leaflets for a meeting on friday AGAINST the privatisation of our national Gas Utility. Some people in the street reacted by saying "No point in fighting them, they have the Power", to which I replied " The Bolivians kicked out SUEZ privatised Water" . ...............( a french company) The City of Cherbourg took years of legal battles to take back their water supply from the Capitalist Mothers, and immediately reduced the price to consumers; there are many other examples of french municipalities …
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HECK You (americans) have the same problem as the rest of us. Arcane discussions about the difference between a 'democracy' and a ' republic' are all very well, but the facts on the ground are what count. You and I could have walked the streets safely under Saddam, bought rare books in the souk, but now we could not even get into the country. The bookshops in Baghdad are now dead. And now Condi and Co are applauding the death sentence on one of their oldest and most faithful allies. As the MAFIA say - in the films -- """" this …
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"" had documented (among other things) how CIA cargo planes ferried arms to the contras and then carried cocaine back to military bases and remote airfields on the return flights. ""
The above is not a "blind eye"", it is participation. "Cocaine to Military Bases" ----- for Godssake. ! Blaming all this on 'overactive editors' and 'mercenary media-killers ' ( who now admit they went overboard.....) is weak stuff. Maybe DOUG is just yet another of those LW Gatekeepers after all. The substance of this story is that there was so much money in cocaine, and Doug still wishes us to …Posted to The Tragedy of Gary Webb
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Hi CABBY, Canuck dave, and Jane dOE? WHO IS OBVIOUSLY NOT OLE rABBIT, KEYBOARD PLAYING UP THERE jAY DEECLINE talking about 'vetting all candidates' reminds me about AIPAC selecting candidates for your Congress, but i guess he was refering to the IslamofFascist Enemy of the month. I think it was JD who pointed out that the the use of the "F" word, like the "appeasement" one was just another example of the cheap and nasty , and ineffably stupid , level to which current politics have descended. I've spent far too long trying to wean amurrican friends off their illusion that …
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Hi Heck, thanks for the lead to this. .
And I said, You know what, this is bullshit. Im not going to support something that I think undermines our countrys interests. I dont believe this was negotiated in a way that represents our countrys best interests.
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Hi Spinoza, Putting words in Ahmadinejihad's mouth is a good place to start. Deliberate mistranslation for Propaganda. Surprising how many people believe sincerely that IRAN wants to wipe Israel off the map. Well, understandable more like, because the media barrage on this here in france, and UK, is non-stop. Soundbites around the clock, in most of the newspapers, etc.. You are correct on the Liquid Bomber Scare A complete farce.
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Do as I say, NOT as I do . This article is correct , as far as it goes, but there is more to be said. Terry does not address the dark history of government scientists (who were not "creationists --- just unscrupulous mad bastards) who experimented on soldiers, prisoners, kids in orphanages, and other civilians over much of the last century. A few months ago the britgov paid out £100, 000 compensation to the family of a serviceman killed by a sarin experiment at Porton Down UK, FIFTY years ago. Frog remembers the 'invitations' to participate , in the …
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A sidelight on this is the H5N1 Bird Flu scam. Local vets were ordered to encourage backyard poultry keepers here to keep birds inside, or at least feed them there, install new fencing, lots of BlaBla ! Big health scare , and Bad science. All was blamed on "wild bird migration". New strains of disease arise with intensive production, spread by international trading of chicks, etc. Globalisation again. Some profit, like Rummy and tamiflu (google that !), the rest of us get scared by the media, and PAY .
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WTH Please notice my example IS from the UK Ministry of Defence. Your attack on Terry is ad hominem, including a generation back ! My own Daddy served 1939-46, started at 18 and finished up as Radar Chief of HM Pacific Fleet at age 24. He served in every theatre from a Russian Convoy (under Luftwaffe bombing) to hunting the Bismarck , to Atlantic Convoys (under submarine attacks), but none of that will make anything I say here more accurate. Terry's daddy is not her , either . To have a bit of balance here, may we assume that Terry lives …
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WTH Always enjoy talking to you. There is a natural gut-instinct reaction towards defending one's own country when one feels it is being unjustly 'attacked'. Been there myself . There is a centuries' old hostility Brit / frog, and the sort of people who go in for Xenophobia and stereotyping play it . Being older and wiser I now know most of their attacks and "Play" with them. Those poor hostile fools are easy . The interesting opposite ones are those sold on 'modernity', globalisin', and privatisin' public utilities, who believe life is all sunshine in US and Blair's Britain . …
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Maria Surely sick of it, but not yet scared ....? maybe i"m an incorrigible optimist, but not scared YET ! OF COURSE I recognise the 'race-war' possibility that Bushniks or similar Powermaniacs might decide to wipe our three-quarters of humanity to get "Lebensraum" . In the shorter term, those Mothas are eating away at the very basis of life--- monopolising the possibilities for agri- seeds. A century ago there were thousands of different strains of wheat / apple trees, now there are twenty predominant ones, and the others start to DISAPPEAR . ten days ago, here in france, the goddam secret …
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Hi HECK, I wouldn't say I was in the Blame Game. Most criticism of US applies elsewhere too. The Military-Industrial complex is truly multinational. . All sorts of groups are engaged in uncivilised and even barbarous acts, and most of them are Criminals, and many wear suits and have VERY expensive lawyers. The Reichstag Fire and Hitler's subsequent Enabling Acts are part of world history, which we can all look at and maybe learn from. Surprising numbers of terror groups have been penetrated by secret service agencies, and 'used' by them. A nasty world. Acts of terrorism could be, have been, …
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HECK, Behind the tough old rather militaristic guy is a 'Greeny' trying to get out ! Carter was the wrong man saying the right things in the Seventies. IF the US had declared a War on EnergyWasting then, the common mindset in the US would be very different today ? Just imagine the cocktail set in San Fran--- " Waal, my house doesn't NEED AC, because we are using techniques discovered in the Middle East a thousand years ago". POWERFUL FORCES conspired to make it otherwise, keep the users hooked on their drugs. Same here in europe. ON TERRORISM .................. . …
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Heck, I prefer your Greenery to the other stuff . (Carter was not completely an innocent, I believe he was the one started funding the Afghan mujahadin in 1979, and we've seen where that led. ) New regulations in Old Europe are steadily increasing insulation, stipulating much larger areas of double-glazed windows, and an architect friend tells me they seem to be aiming at "bio-climatic" houses for 2050, with most of the measures in place in a very few years from now. . I'm plotting to upgrade my house, increase the vegetable production, and going to see an 'electric bike' tomorrow. …
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Maria As you see I'm starting with my own garden , which is my way of escaping the foodtrade monopolies, and more people here are buying direct from local small farms. Small initiatives, for sure, but worth investing time in. Supporting political campaigns too. Searching out the rare politicians with honesty, independence and commonsense is vital-- byron dorgan for one .(thread at ITT) -- and telling the others what we expect from them, or else... Jos Bov a good man, as is Francois Dufour, a small farmer down the road who was spokesman for that movement, (puerto alegre etc) and is …
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This is what real scientists should be doing, not playing Dr Strangelove .
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Guys from Saudi Arabia, SUPPOSEDLY , did 911, and in a tantrum gwb invaded IRAQ and killed a hundred thousand or so . Them Christians sure have planks in their eyes. If I remember right Tilley refers to translations by ithers. First I saw was in a german paper. Why not forget the ad hominem stuff for a while , and go and look for various translations ?
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HECK, "Gwb" is shorthand for this administration. This administration is a continuation, and extension to new depths, of previous US policy. I mentioned Tilley, because the name easier to remember, seen a number of others on the subject of translation . Constant repetition of a few simple messages is the essence of selling, and PROPAGANDA, I am sure you will agree WTH ? Considering how much obfuscation and goddam lying can be got away with, USING a COMMON LANGUAGE, WOWEE for anything in translation ! (we agree, maybe ,) Holding suicide bombers responsible for their actions I agree with. Let us …
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My take on events is to question very closely, everything, like you. Like you, I start from somewhere else, so you find me really funny when I can believe the WORST of A government, and I find you misguided when you can believe the BEST . ! The MSM has an increasingly ignoble place in Society, so you could almost bet if they are unanimous, they are wrong. This applies particularly to encouragement of any action right out of the ordinary, like WAR. When I am damn sure the MSM is beating the wardrums, my antennae quiver, and I listen VERY …
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Hey Heck Blankley works for the "Reverend MOON" -- dingaling, --- a little bell goin' off ? The Rightwing agenda of the WashTimes ,et al, is all about making people fearful-- makes them easier to manipulate. It took me years before I realised that the Globalisas were at war with me and the rest of humanity , but now I know, and not gonna be distrackted by any IslamoNazi sideshows ! I remember you were going to be a cowboy when you grow up, but have you taken the lice into account ? Yee Haw ! ... (scratch, scratch,)
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HECK I must confess I find your 'source' highly amusing and punchy, great fun. Frederick Forsyth "Day of the Jackal" author, is great fun, too. And I've even heard him on the BBC-- same stuff. . WHEN are you going to allow yourself to question your belief that all this talk about a Clash of Civilisations just MIGHT be something that certain people WANT you to believe ? Knowing you to be so distrustful of ready-made solutions, I find it surprising you have swallered that one . Maybe you're just playing with me, with that stuff about "easily insulted muslims", because …
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Heck, Closing down those hundreds of US military bases overseas sounds a good idea ! On the Pope, and History, read Uri Avnery. an example here Maria Agreed !
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HECK , WTF ! NO ! I did not read the Pope's speech. VERY VERY often I change channels on the Radio, when I hear PROPAGANDA coming on. It may be the BBC , and I switch to the frogs, or vice versa. As usual when both are propagandising, I SWITCH off . Whenever someone says something is "inexcusable" I look around for my nuclear umbrella ! A few thousand drongos (thats OZ talk for nongs ) Proselitysing and Brainwashing, and Demonstrating around the globe is NOT enough to get ole Frog excited about a War of The …
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You forgot the "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" insults used by the the other Trolls. Back to troll-school mister Heck.
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OPEL should you return, a debate between the shills/warmongers and others , notably rabbit, on the 911Faith thread. Strange indeedy that there is no article here..............
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War crimes case being prepared in Scotland. They recently reversed an amnesty law in Argentina to put one criminal away . So BushCo should not feel safe, whatever laws they pass, unless of course they have no intention of EVER relinquishing power ... Time for another National Emergency, anyone , ?
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Spinoza Excellent article. Also norman finkelstein on dershowitz--- worth spreading ....
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In a classic case of misdirection, a president who undermined national security by illegally taking this country to war, by condoning torture, by violating the Constitution and by destroying the worlds goodwill is attacking the New York Times for put[ting] our citizens at risk.
I too would have prefered to see """"""" war on terror """""" ! "Seems to swallow" .......? think ? She has written 14 articles here. The first 12 I agreed with. No 13 wa 911faith, and now this . On 911Faith , we have discussed various interpretations of this "limited hangout " stuff ------ but …Posted to Thank You, Mr. Bush
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Bravo nobody, except Tice?
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At one time when Tony Bliar got into difficulties he resurrected the proposed law to ban foxhunting as a convenient distraction. This united the cuddly animal brigade with those who just hated the foxhunting classes. I don't have a flag, apart from a merchant marine Red Ensign I had to fly on my boat. No intention of buying one, either.
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SPAM !
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Mymarkx, Well Done for attempting it , you Pathfinder. Thedeanpeople Crazy system when you can get 17yrs for an eggcupfull of cocaine, and zero or tiny for election fraud. I'm against capital punishment, but it would sure be a headline-grabber . Maybe we could settle for 20yrs on a chaingang, with a referendum to choose which State has the very worst , most inhumane, most privatisedly profitable to fascistical fatcats, penal system . Now there's an ideea with legs................... I was going to ask WHY this took so long to come up, too . But maybe because so much so wrong, …
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Hi HORSE, Small problem there, not enough room on one page to get all the scum on. Congress has already thrown $300 mio at the 'problem', and missed. Par for the course, what a bunch of wankers. More pork. Any computerologist out there hypothesise why i'm flagged from germany instead of frogland? wanadoo.fr is frog !
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WTH I'd have you know we cheese-eaters only surrender on thursday afternoons, so we can have the long weekend. I think its the chinese, as well as other laundry-money behind the toll-road and -bridge sell-off of the USA . , Actually a reverse- cunning plot,. Take their money, pocket 30% minimum for our sweet little selves, spend the rest like water while tax-cutting, for ourselves, and when it all goes belly-up exit to our fortified bunkers in sunny australia. Well, I was just keeping it warm for Sally and you real amurricans. Good luck to rfk jr. BLOGKRIEG …
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Stopcrying Hang in here, mate., this thread will develop. . I'm not a Yank, just a brit longtime in france. I feel your rage, without the 13 hours. Difficult to imagine for you, but I do. I'm outside. I do my things here in frogland to fight the same motherfuckers. Various tactics available. HOW MANY PEOPLE can you mobilise ? With all the good will in the world I'm no use to you. No sweat I'd be with you demonstrating, but I'm not there. You can get a voting-machine for yourself and friends, but THEN no guarantee its not" fixed". …
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mymarkx Unfortunately , Moral support only from me. Would love to send you $100 if you need it, but the banks would steal a goodly , LARGE, proportion on a Eurocheque. RISE UP. The only way. We frogs know it too. Enough people in the streets and the Mothas backtrack, for a WHILE .
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MYMARKX Press coverage. THEY are trying to privatise our public hospital, so we "assembled", as we do in France, and there was wonderful footage of the Regional hospital Director in complete disarray listening to a speech from a local councillor. i was beside the TV cameraman who filmed it all, and did not even take out my cheapo job to get a still of that embarrassed face. Fool. Zero on the TV news. Lessons learned. We've been on the streets quite often for the past 18 months, and I always had the cheapo still camera. That way any cop who got …
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Mymarkx I'm 59, and demonstrated in the early 1970's, the first UK Miners' Strike under Thatcher, and later got my jaw scientifically thumped by a cop in Trafalgar Square against Apartheid . Last year , I got out there again after 32years. It felt very strange for a few minutes , as though I was making a complete fool of myself, but that wore off. Fast.
It may be a lost cause, but it always has been and still is the only thing worth fighting for. And Im not going to stop fighting until either I cant fight any more or …
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POSTAL VOTING Bliar encouraged this, 'supposedly' to increase turnout. Just goes to show that even with paper ballots, eternal vigilance needed.
Ms Alibhai-Brown: In the last election I went to all of our northern towns during the whole ten days of the election and followed the candidates. It was a very interesting experience because of the kinds of deals that were being done, and because I speak a number of Asian languages they could talk to me in those languages while they were saying something else publicly. All the public meetings were entirely male. Deals were being done as …
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Sure Mymarkx, I was just keeping the ball rolling there. Amazed at that secret counting . Uncle Joe Stalin must be laughing. Indymedia paris is very useful . Merci. ps saw a review of "Unspeak" on political 'language'. goodstuff.
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The experts will come. Not soldiers, now "experts' . Sometimes experts are even more dangerous than soldiers. They say, ""You cannot. The market is irritated. The market may be angry."" It is as if the market is an unknown but very active and cruel god punishing us because we are trying to commit the cardinal sin of changing reality.
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SPITEFUL is the right word for the US treatment of him. The admin spin on everything is devils or demons. Jessica Lynch was a brave hero being mistreated by the evil Iraqis, rescued for the cameras by heroic special forces, just like Hollywood. We now know the opposite. The Iraqi doctors looked after her, and called US forces to pick her up... Lindh has to be punished as a traitor who went on a spiritual quest (in a bad place ) rather than pursuing his duty as a real American, to go out and buy, to watch Foxnewsn and leave thinking …
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Re-reading the article, the young man was in the wrong place at the wrong time. No proof he fought against the US . Compared with other 'taliban' hoovered up for bounties, who were declared the "worst of the worst" by Bush, and then liberated after years of barbaric treatment in Gitmo, no charges brought, his case is far worse . Anyone imagine BUSH going on a 'spiritual quest' ?
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xyptol --- stay around.... Canuck, major, good to seeya, must to work go. I see that Terry believes in SOME conspiracy theories --- Access to birth and death certificates outlawed, to protect polluting Bushist companies from epidemiological research... 911 has been used as the "killer" argument for all the evil that has happened since, so I will digress JUST a little from subject to pass some new info. CONFIDENTIAL FM TASHKENT AMBASSADOR TO FCO 18 march 2003
I was horrified when the massive assault on Iraq started. I knew both that Iraq did not really possess WMDs, and …
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frog has added to last one with edit. Do have a look ! In the UK the Dear Leader's Inquiry Act 2005 came into power last month. Shades of the KEAN COMMISSION any inquiry into 7/7 in London would be conducted under the following rules, with which Stalin would have been happy.
Under the terms of the Inquiries Act 2005: - the inquiry and its terms of reference would be decided by the executive; no independent parliamentary scrutiny of these decisions would be allowed; - each member of an inquiry panel, including the chair of the inquiry, would be appointed by …
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Diggins have a look at the other twelve articles by terry.
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I understand your motivation in attempting to diffuse this nonsense. It's a major embarrasment and distraction, and can only undermine the effort of the left to regain political power in Washington or anywhere, for that matter.
Anyone for a Freudian slip ? Rugbyzig, elegant and logical post mon vieux. , Natalie is our resident Natty Bat Vampire Shill, a creature of Darkness only happy when arguing for increasing use of DU, DDT, military force, a defender of the true PNAC faith .Posted to The 9/11 Faith Movement
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Skeptosis, Your question joins that "pile" with hundreds of others. I also saw, and heard with some disbelief, Condi say
I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002"
I remember well the foiled 1994 attempt to crash into the Eiffel Tower. So yeah, "nobody would have imagined it" .... good link of yours. Natalie's …Posted to The 9/11 Faith Movement
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dougshaeffer, As Kevin Ryan mentioned in the interview, 911 comes up ALL the time as a justification for A to B to X , Y, Z . Elsewhere it is "TERRORISM" . One good bit of news is that the implementation of an ID card system by BLAIR is being pushed back by technical problems. Blairwatch---Dubya's Man in London for details. And for a laugh from the House of Commons before frog goes to t'pub.
Gorgeous George may be a hate figure but he is undoubtedly the best speaker in the House that he so rarely chooses to attend. …
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NATTY the Vampire Bat SHILL , IF those towers were 'hollow', your frog is chinese. That might lead people to think, they were a sort of "card castle". We all built them as kids, and with one flick of a finger,at the base, they collapsed ! Those structures were designed by the best of American engineers, to withstand plane-strikes and the subsequent fuel-fires. No plane without fuel, dear Shill. I partly earn my living by cutting down trees. Unlike a tree correctly analysed, the South Tower started faling the "wrong" way. Mechanically all wrong. Good question of yours, …
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CHAD Maybe didders just hasn't looked that much at the videos. A "professional" is someone who gets paid, which covers a lot of professions, including the oldest one. An "expert" is someone who has qualifications, but none of them are necessarily in Honesty. "Professional Experts" are systematically bought or otherwise suborned by the agro-chemical and pharmaceutical industries among others. Professional Experts can be pressured by their employing governments to give false witness, or at least to remain silent., for fear of losing jobs and pensions . WMDs anyone ? Our resident shill tells us ---
And that point is: Once the …
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G'day rabbit, No time to read right back, but I seem to remember there are about 20? demolition companies in the US. Coincidence that this particular LOIZEAUX oiseau who cleared up after Okla City turns up again ? Maybe. The "Inevitable Symmetrical Pancake Hypothesis " is just that. A Hypothesis. Demolition men could save a lot of time and explosives IF they just weakened one side of a structure, and then it came straight down. Sounds unlikely to this old tree-cutter. Following the NATTY- link onwards from 911myths as you did, we get to Ken Holden, Commissioner …
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rabbit I checked, there are a number of qualified companies US, -wide....."implosion world". Following leads, as I usually do, came to this , which looks like an effort to build up LOIZEAUX and CDI as the unquestioned world experts. Coincidence piles upon coincidence. The Grove story. I will re-read it, but there is sure something there. I watched the S&L and other scandals, BCCI etc, growing from close-to, so the idea of very large-scale robbery, money-laundering, is not new to me. i recommend ALL to follow the links on the same page to "indira singh". Just see …
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CHAD Methinks you have perhaps misread the Rabbit's eloquent Disquisitions , Wherein he points out with Precision That the NattyScorp Batcave Bushcheney Conspiracy Theory is but Pure Factoidal Repetition. ? THE FAITHFUL FOOLS BELIEVE THE CONSPIRACY ORDAINED BY THEIR DECIDER The rest of us rack our brains, for we do not have the Certainty, the TRUE FAITH of those who believe in their Dear Leader.
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MAJOR You have opposite you a 100% guaranteed SHILL. She can be sweet, even human, but her job by foul or fair means is to discredit any oppposition to Bushworld. Seemingly innocent and rather mealy-mouthed, she insinuates her way into "discussions". I can't right now remember the first time --- but it was something like --- "Well this is the first time I've ever posted, but it seems to me that................etc.... and then.......... the SPIEL ." Visible at 1000m, with experience. She has been caught out on numerous occasions, on facts . NOW, we see her again parading the same stuff …
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Natters Slightyly more subtle stuff than before; I see. ANYONE OUT THERE who believes that old frog is involved in insidious , destructive,hate-based propaganda , which serves Terrists, and Alex Jones' bank account, not to forget my Democrat - sabotaging of their electoral chances.MAY be lead to believe that this was apure figment of his imagination?
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mmmmm.........ZINN on the Federal Bureau of Intimidation
James Madison made the point way back. One of the founding fathers. They were not dumb. They may have been rich and white and reactionary and slave holders but they weren't dumb. Madison said the best way to infringe on liberty is to create an external menace.
Well, not all of them are black bag breakers and enterers, many have quietly left, and others have blown the whistle. Colleen Rowley anyone ? Sibel Edmonds ? Strange goings on indeed. Diggins Ole frog recommended weeks ago that you look at terry's other 12 articles …Posted to The 9/11 Faith Movement
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Dean/brian Good rebuttal of our much-loved USEFUL SHILL I've been hugging those "lightweight trusses" to myself since joining the previous 911 thread late last year. . But they had to come out here sometime . The expression itself implies such fragility that OF COURSE it all "fell" down. Diggins Did you read rabbit's post of early this morning ? And my two ? Ooh la la -- I'm back with the cheese-eating surrender-monkey frogflag ....
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Rabbit's " zonked junky" article above, check it out ... A small True Confession from frog, but I'd appreciate your reactions. I'd known for years that 'that family' were a bunch of criminals. Nazi past/Contra/Drugs/S&Ls...etc I think it was pre-911 I saw the bushling on TV, and was astonished to discover myself liking the beast . It was momentary, but makes me understand how so many saw him as a "regular guy" . Something hypnotic ? I don't know. I caught myself the same way with Bliar . I've talked to some not-stupid brits who still believe he's a "nice man" …
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1999 voice-morphing
For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future. "Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digital morphing "" voice, video, and photo """ has come of age, available for use in psychological …
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Uninterrupted elevator shaft from top to bottom , ? To be checked.
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Joe, Seems to me I saw the same thing, but keeping files on all this is difficult as hell. Think its on my old machine. Sounds reasonable, maybe even standard practice in high-rises. Even cable-lengths and weights should dictate it . PS mail arrived notifying your post same time, coincidence.
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DUMP DIEBOLD, marxy !
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Howler No interest here in attacking somebody who is trying to puzzle it out for themselves. But I suspect you underestimate the amount of time it takes to look at even a reasonable proportion of the evidence and hypotheses. Some of them are false trails, perhaps deliberately constructed to muddy the waters . Waal, certainly so ! Your hypothesis is LIHOP - Let it happen on purpose. That implies "getting out of the way" of the "19 hijackers", and making sure they could do their evil deed. Well, some of the measures taken would support that, like removing fighter air- cover, …
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As Rabbit has pointed out for us all, the REAL conspiracy freaks are those who have FAITH in the WhiteHouse version of 911. The inquiry into the Titanic disaster began 6days later. Bushco fought and struggled and delayed for 411 days, before an Inquiry peopled by bushco insiders was established . That fact alone should make anyone be VERY deeply suspicious of THEIR conclusions. Howler rabbit's first 5 or 6 posts contain most of what is needed to suss this. Right. Assuming you are a normal difficult- to- convince human, that should STILL be not enough for you. …
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YO OEY Nice to see you come into the light, and the fight for the syntax check out advisory ITT email blockquote--
No. 4: Government agents are permitted to arrest and detain individuals "suspected" of terrorist activities and to hold them INDEFINITELY, WITHOUTCHARGE, and WITHOUT an ATTORNEY. (That could be you or me for sending or receiving this Email, by the way) bill moyers
hyperlink--- The Hitlerite Patriot Act Now we have edit , you can correct missing spaces, "s, wrongway round < or > , until it works. Compatriot -- a real OZ too --- or a …Posted to The 9/11 Faith Movement
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NATTY the Shill, Here are your own words----july 26 6.09AM ---
The wings folded and basically followed the main body into the building. Computer simulations confirm it.
Any reader who can imagine the two wingtips, and the wings right down to their roots in the fuselage, crashing into an armoured wall at c.300 knots, then going sideways at an average 90° along the that wall to follow the fuselage into a small hole ---- must be mad. The fact that you can regurgitate such nonsense is yet one more proof that you must be a shill.Posted to The 9/11 Faith Movement
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SCORP Nobody said this was a classic demolition. 1 In those cases, there are a rapid series of blasts. 2 Building collapses. 3 Succeeded by great clouds of dust. You invert 2 and 3. Interestingly. So no need for an initial great cloud before the antenna begins to descend. For some strange reason there was a catastrophic failure of the central core columns. No pancaking. The subsequent huge clouds of dust at and WELL above the points of impact do not fit. Nor does the size of the particles.
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WTF*** , HECK ! Natty was talking about the Pentagon. She said.
The wings folded and basically followed the main body into the building. Computer simulations confirm it. <:blockquote> I found this unbelievable. Unsurprising, she writes to order.
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Hi Red GHWB never "met" Noriega, becos he has a different definition of the word to you ! Natty will explain the semantics. One thing we know for sure is that the Kean Commission was a carefully picked bunch of insiders. The Bushling even , 411 days after 911, put cover-up artist Henry Kissinger in charge --- but the old war criminal didn't want to reveal which foreign governments he was being paid to lobby for. He lasted a bit over two weeks. Nattyshill, ---- the 911 Commission was one of the cheapest most underfunded inquiries on record. Funny, that. …
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I think they (all of whom served in Vietnam) were afraid of just what has happened there too much political micro-managment and setting goals too high. Our real problem and reason for the instability in Iraq and Afghanistan is due to not letting the professional military do the job their way. Rumsfeld ignored ten years of CENTCOM planning and sent 125,000 troops to do what called for 500,000.
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I post this extract from the Rabbit-link above to highlight a similarity. Whenever Israel indulges in aggression , it hides behind the Holocaust and its' propagandists accuse all critics of anti-semitism . Now the USA is actively engaged in two Occupations, widespread torture and murder, supporting 100% the disastrous acts of the State of Israel, all of this is justified by a War on Terror. And tthe justification for THAT WAR always, without FAIL, comes back to 911.
Oren Ben-Dor: Who are the real terrorists in the Middle East? What exactly is being defended? Is it the citizens of Israel …
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Hi KANSAS, Yet one more example of the insincerity of the NastyNat, just above . One of her major aims is to divert the discussion down side-alleys, so she asks an "innocent" question, what should Israel do, when the answer is already implied immediately above in blockquotes . Back to topic. I don't know about the scrambles /interceptions, how many were practice alerts etc etc. Any armed service worth the name should always be practicing, be ready, but we have found out from the insider Kean Commission that EVEN THEY found it difficult to get honest answers from your military . …
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Hey , NattyShill, How come the National Security Adviser to your beloved Bushnazi41 pretended before all the world that "nobody would have imagined "terrists flying planes into high buildings ? Huh ! Frog remembers well the Airfrtance flight hijacked in 1994 to 'do' the Eiffel Tower. Bojinka ,1995, too ? Kansas' problem of choosing "three" is what we cheese-eating surrender-monkeys call "un embarras de richesses" . So much to choose from, why stop at three ? Either CONDI was knowingly kying through her teeth, or she was so grossly ignorant she should have been fired in disgrace, maybe executed.. (GWB …
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HI Lapin Interesting speech by the rabbi ---- Orthodox versus the bloody Zionists. Pretty good news-blackout on this one too--- Oil spill only affects 80 kilometers of coastline... which in normal times would merit a headline. Israel has announced that if Tel Aviv is hit, they will begin targeting Lebanese infrastructure, map here. I see from a poll reported in the telegraph that support for israeli actions pretty strong in the US, and that European polls show a huge majority against. Those ITV reporters above seemed genuinely angry to me, but maybe WTH thinks they are terrorist-sympathisers, or …
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WTH Just listened to the BBC World service interviewing John Hagee (sp?) of the Christians United for Israel , the very rich and electorally powerful MOB who believe in the Rapture. 3500 of the mothas just met in Washington, with attending senators, GOP I guess ? WOWEE ! Over the past year or so I've read a coupla articles about them, and they sound strongly, horribly, like Dangerous Fundamentalists to me . Maybe they even bring up their kids to start hating from the age of two ? I can and do believe they exist outside my imagination, because it fits …
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WILEY Nice to seeya. What on earth was that Mineta guy talking about that these cats were not privy to ? Strange. I read the article, just once, and was struck by the floppy amateurishness . Jeeeeeesus Christ, they sound like a bunch of high-school kids playing at sodgers. My old Gunner sarge would have killed us if we had been so sloppy, and that was far from ATC. One interesting fact that came out was that the presidential order to shoot down came AFTER all was over. That did not stop them playing on the agonising nature of their …
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WTH Of course you are correct that corpses can be moved, films doctored, etc ! We have to judge on each case with that possibility in mind , and the more we know about how it has already been done, the better . . I hope nobody needs reminding about the kuweiti babies dumped out of their incubators ? I'm near certain one british TV team did this in bosnia in the 90's , making a group of refugee men look as tho they were in a 'concentration camp'. First find some barbed wire , and then film through it …
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WTH You and I have some similar reading on our shelves, such as "A man called Intrepid", which has a lotta disinfo in it . Here is another story on disinfo, the Cold War Cheney/Rummy spoof you still seem to believe in -------
In the last decade of the the cold war the Soviet Union - the Soviet state - was portrayed in the West as a vast chaotic shambles in which nothing worked, all was cheap and second rate; a state which never managed to produce a decent refrigerator, and whose chosen motor car was the Lada, built on the …
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Bloody-minded old WTH ! have a good look at the stuff above.....
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Durbin has said as much on local efforts to restore passenger rail service to this region. Three plans are on the table. Leaders and the community need to decide which one to get behind, then work for it. Squabbling only allows the people with the ability to make things happen to dither, delay and finally decide they will support projects that are promoted by communities that have their acts together. The post office victory illustrates what can happen when we do.
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Ok Scorp. So Rummy and Cheney were Dimocrats in the 1980s. I just did not know that. Apologies.
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Nattyshill RACIST post above? You seem to believe "Arabs are Untermenschen."
A poll by the """Israel Project""", but even that gives an overwhelming majority of ......51% ! Given this strong and stable support, a majority of American voters maintain support for Israel's continuation of military operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon by a margin of 51 percent versus the 38 percent who say Israel should stop.
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This from the Irish Times debunks the propaganda crap about firing rockets from houses.
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This man actually goes along with scorpynat on 911, but totally condemns all bushgov actions since.--Bryan Cloughley served in nuke Royal Artillery in germany, intel in cyprus, FOO artillery in borneo, in jordan, and with Australian forces intel in vietnam. Hardly an armchair peacenik, an expert on india, pakistan, the whole region, I listen to him more carefully than to any Armchair Warrior bushlovers . war crimes case being prepared in Scotland
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Bonjour Lapin et Cie. There were approx 100,000 in Central London saturday pm, and almost nothing in the MSM. The BBC, in one broadcast ,said a few hundred in Tel Aviv, but I found this interesting report of 3000 to 10,000, at indymedia . A lot for a small country ...
"I should have thought that the photo of a man playing the piano in a ruined house should have sent a message of peace. But I saw the photo with all kinds of very warlike captions, which implied that I want revenge from the inhabitants of Lebanon. I called the …
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muslim fanatics aided and infiltrated by the fbi.... nutty natty For some light relief, as well as TRUTH, here we have George Galloway telling it like it is. hey, hopper, what's the fruitybat goin' to say next ................................... cept she now hardly can dare to................... or can she ?
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WTH goodluck. De real enemis are de globalisas..................off to mow a meadow...................
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Wiley The NSA to POTUS is on record ----" nobody would have imagined people flying airplanes into buildings". This is in direct contradiction of the hijacking of the AirFrance Flt 8969 to be crashed into the Eiffel Tower 1994. Also of Operation Bojinka 1995, in the news again since thursday's shutdown of Heathrow Airport, London. Either Condi was lying, or breathtakingly incompetent. I have not seen Condi being hounded on this, and wonder what her defence is ?
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In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, “just to keep the people frightened.” George Orwell, 1984 published 1948
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Yo ! I remember somewhere the Bushniks have been reclassifying documents in the National Archives . Which would be natural for them. Just think if we had not had access to the Kissinger / CIA docs on Allende and Chile (at Georgewashington uni site)------------- we would be accused of loving CONSPIRACY THEORIES, poor misguided people... and then, 411days later , Dubya put him in charge of the cover-up .... Title, top of page -- something comforting about a world where someone is in charge- .. for good or ill.." . Condescending rubbish. In this anniversary year of the Suez Invasion Conspiracy …
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lapin the "canada" temptation has hit many americans, too, but most have resolved to stay and f****t somehow. Anyway, canuck's land has the same disease, as does frog- and blair-land... gotta work
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WTH, the war against terror, otherwise known as TWAT, is a load of "codswallop". I've assured you many times that this was the case, but somehow you continue to believe that it is real. One thing I know for sure is that I cannot prove you wrong. In this sort of discussion, each one has to make his own puzzled and puzzling, way, and that depends on how open-minded we are. Maybe Natty is just a shill and Scorp a clever but over-ideological GOP troll, (who cares ! ), they do their job without addressing the fundamental questions …
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Wiley / John ""Reading too much into the G 8 thing ? "" I remember the hype at the time on that one , just as I remember Algerian GIA and the Eiffel Tower, 1994 from that time , and Bojinka 1995 -- which I learned about much later. Nattyshill pretending there is a ginormeous difference between one suicide hijacking , and multiple ones, is her usual bullshit. Three conclusive cases above that this was POSSIBLE , had actually happened ONCE, been seriously planned ONCE, and was highly suspected on a THIRD occasion. So how could NSA to POTUS say " …
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NOPE. Just bringing up the point that Condi was LYING about this. Are you trying to tell us she wasn't ? This is one of the thousands of discrepancies in the Official Story, which remain to be explained . edit-- I'm addressing an important point of detail in evidence given by the NSA of the USA . No More. This deserves a straight answer.
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Rescorla on Vietnam, Nicaragua; "the Muslims", and how to make enemies HERE There was a man with more brains, commonsense and guts than Condi and Co united.
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HI HECK Sorry to hear DSL not arrived yet. I think that you'd find video particularly interesting, so do recommend file it away for when you CAN see it . Rescorla was the original anti-commie Action Man, but evolved and learned... This on LTC Shaffer is not a video.
Nattyshill at work--- OK, so Condi was lying. Or maybe she was just uninformed. So what? How does this even begin to provide proof of an inside job? Does Condi seem to you to be the type that would sign off on such a plan? Would this …
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WILEY Eggsactly fucking right . Now we have had 911 and no poor hungover, drunk, or otherwise deadbeat mechanic has been charged with his failure to do his job properly. He is so safe that there have been no systematic campaigns of denigration against him. ALL the guys in the FBI who fucked up have been promoted, as has dear Miz Incompetent and Lying Condi. Those who rejected the "Phoenix memos" have been promoted. WHY ? SIMPLE . Everyone else here except Nattyshill knows that certain elements close to the gub'mint have been commiting murder for a very long time. …
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WILEY No. Frog did not invent a bomb ! However, while examining the introduction of containerisation in 1967, I imagined this as the perfect vehicle for terrorism or extortion for criminal or political reasons. The now very old 155mm nuke shell is but one example of a "suitcase" -sized weapon. Some time after this was the subject of various books and films. On the 22nd of July, the sixtieth anniversary of the King David Hotel terrorist bombing was celebrated in Israel. Then as now "terrorism" was a tactic, a means to an end .
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Bush Now Says What He Wouldn't Say Before War: Iraq Had "Nothing" To Do With 9/11 To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with "continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." , Vice President Cheney repeatedly cited "evidence" cooked up by Douglas Feith and others to claim it was "pretty well confirmed" that Iraq had contacts with 9/11 hijackers.
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YO HECK Here is another for your "videos to see with DSL" file. Gonzo the Clown. The link is to Prisonplanet, but the video is the Jon Stewart show on Alberto Gonzales, 4mins on a retard in action. The dangerous seven were "unable to advance their DEADLY PLOT ", he says. Sounds like Mr Bean and one of his Cunning Plans to me. The FBI man fesses up that this was "MORE ASPIRATIONAL THAN OPERATIONAL". Jon points out that the result was achieved. A woman working near the Sears Tower was "scared". And so were millions of other amerricans .........? …
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HI WITCH, I forget which video it was, but one of them harps on, cutting from one bushnik to yet another, on MSM, and they are all saying the same thing "ELEVENTH of SEPTEMBER ". bla... bla... more bla... twenty times. "Bullet Points." Hypnotic stuff. VERY BLOODY HYPNOTIC. I remember back in 99 ?, NATO bombing bridges , I think it was Zagreb ,but maybe Beograd, and because I HAD believed the propaganda about the Racak murders, I went along with it. At FIRST . I remember noticing then how I became hardened to the daily news of YET MORE BOMBING. …
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Wiley and Heck, I gave away the TV at christmas, but still get much amusement watching, for example, the ocasional jon stewart on this. Need some laughs , too ... and the political satire is closer to the mark than other more long-winded stuff. The BBC and frog radio news is mostly garbage, propaganda even, so I often switch off after a few mins. Too addicted to give this up completely, enjoy the learning that goes with it too much . An eternal student . On our previous discussion on globalisation, this man byron dorgan looks very interesting. Sadly true …
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Nattyshill Somewhere back on this thread I even posted that the "Racak" massacre Clinton (probably) refered to in that speech had been set up. Yup. The American and European people were lied to, misled . Thanks for bringing up the subject. He can join bushblair wesclarke and Co at the Hague.
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Hi Wiley; Maybe you and I do disagree about Clinton and Kosovo, I dunno. Nattyshill's evidence was, as so very often, a shot in her own foot . First off she gave us the PRESIDENT, explaining why to go to WAR, then she gave us, free, the evidence that he had been either LYING or just WRONG. I know Clinton was lying, because the initial 'causus belli' was set up by the OSCE. Natty's valuable point is that PRESIDENTS do lie to the American People, make WARS and subsequently do get found out . Well done BattyNatty. PS I do …
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HI HECK One more for your reading list should be Thomas Ricks "Fiasco- The American Military Adventure in Iraq". amazon on fiasco This documents very well HOW SOME individual US batallion commanders did the best job humanly and humanely possible, as old soldiers like WTH, frog, wiley, rabbit would also have done it . ( Strange to think of rabbit and frog as Old Soldiers, compared to the NWO GOP Armchair-warrior -miltarists like Nattyshill and Scorp, but life is surprising . I remember hearing of a legless Nam veteran war-protestor having his wheelchair overturned by the …
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JOE. Give links. Even the shills quite often do so.
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Aging and increasingly decrepit plants operating longer than they were designed to run will likely fail. Old machines and parts break down. A reactor breakdown could cause a meltdown. In 2002 the severely corroded Davis-Besse nuclear reactor , just 20 miles southeast of Toledo, OH, came within a small fraction of an inch of steel from causing a tragic nuclear accident. License extension applications for 14 nuclear plants are currently under review by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. We are allowing ourselves to be the unwitting victims of our own nuclear terror. Instead of ending the nuclear age, the Bush administration plans …
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Yo Heck Serious question for ya. Given a small fraction of the treasure already spent ( squandered) on not- rehabilitating New Orleans, would Chavez of Venezuela, Castro of Cuba, and CERTAINLY Hizbullah , have done better than GWB ? No doubt at all. Failed president. A sign of a failed Society. Dramatically inefficient., like UK, france, etc. Banana Republic with no bananas, even. Just another Pôlice State-- as was the GDR with it's STASI . FBI = STASI. Half the people informing on the other half, as we can see when EVERY madmovement is infiiltrated from the recent Sears Tower Seven …
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test """""""""""""this page cannot be found""""""""""". will now try------------- BLAIRWATCH When doing html, the slightest error is fatal. so a missed "space" is DEATH . Notice the 'space' above between 'a' and 'href'. ????????????? on your notification.
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JOE test """""""""""""this page cannot be found""""""""""". will now try------------- BLAIRWATCH When doing html, the slightest error is fatal. so a missed "space" is DEATH . Notice the 'space' above between 'a' and 'href'. ????????????? on your notification.
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SCorpsey Love to see you accusing Others of being "Ideologues", pots and kettles, Old Scorpytude. Tell us again how Globalisation, FREETRADE, and the IMF, and the WTO, and NAFTA, And CAFTA, have made working lives so much better in the USA. Do NOT forget to tell us how NOT raising the Minimum Wage is good for us, BECOS ...... Do NOT forget to tell us that the RICH should keep ALL they receive..., BECOS ..............their riches will 'trickle down' someday to the poor...
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HI JOE have you read Howard Zinn's "Peoples History of the USA " ? I want an answer on that ! Categorising people into "blocs or stereotypes such as 'socialist ' " , when they do not belong to any particular PARTY, or 'leftwind', when they profoundly dislike King George 111 Dubya Bush, has always struck me as dumb, but Old Scorp is a classic case of arrested development. Give him a cople of secs, and he will accuse you and I of helping Stalin to exterminate 80mn , all because we disagree with him ! A sad case. …
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YO JOE Your email from ITT gives you all the 'html code' on the above. Similarly will introduce you to another interesting character, Craig Murray . Back to thread. My point of view on this whole debate is to follow closely, and try hard to exclude the rubbish. The truthie movement does have a tendency to endlessly repeat accusations based on flimsy evidence. One example could be 'Scott Forbes' on the Powerdown. The guy appeared, in one telephone interview, and then disappeared ! Stuff like that, I file away in my mind, as unproven.... perhaps true, but …
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YO , Horse ! Ole frog actually cuts brush, unlike GWB who is always talked about doin' it ! Them photographers are always around the little shit, but no photos of HIM doing THAT ?????? Ole frog cuts brush on foot with a 43cc machine, behind a 6.5 HP specialialised machine, on a 30HP tractor. All that talk we hear about GWB 'brushcutting' , and NO PROOF ? Any ordinary farmer or gardener would innocently ask -- " OK, what machine were you using/ driving ?" Everyday stuff. Country Life, like here. How many times has Bush, or his …
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Nattyshill, With or without a tree, OKC stinks. As do you with your poisonous 'horticulture ' play on words vis a vis Wiley. There are more readers than posters here, and those people make no noise, but sure as heck they judge you for what you are .
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Hey NATTYSHILL Ole frog, by total coincidence; watched 911 on TV on the day in the company of one Chilean survivor of 9/11/1973 and three other students of english in a factory here. .Night classes . Kissinger and 9/11/1973. He was lucky. The Red Cross came across him, by chance, so he wasn't 'disappeared', spent 6months in hospital recovering from torture, and was accepted as a refugee here. I notice you are more and more talkin of 'muslims' as the enemy. I despise, distrust and condemn those behind and around GWB as utter scum, but have yet to class them as …
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Your President "will not withdraw from this fight until this threat to "CIVILISATION" has been removed." He tells you the US is a "safer place,"................... now. A recent Guardian/ICM poll in the UK showed an Overwhelming MAJORITY of ONE PERCENT believing the UK was "safer" because of Tony Blair's support of the Bushling. ONE PERCENT. The overwhelming majority of Europeans see GWB , and his little friends, as a menace to Civilisation and world peace . The new Nazis are where Sinclair Lewis and Smedley Butler saw them, not where Rummy and Dick propagandise to Moron America. . Look in that …
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My take on 911 is that the the BushAdmin , or rather elements within it , such as Cheney/Rummy, DID actually welcome 911 with open arms. . True or False ? Bush himself is such a nonentity, unbelievable he could have plotted something so profound. A very small player. Whether it was MIHOP, or LIHOP, I wonder .. still .... The improbable collapses of the Three Towers imply MIHOP. Given my own and the increasing public awareness of false-flag operations, I would not now exclude Controlled Demolition as a possibility. Despite that, EVEN IF the 19 loonies inspired by the …
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The POV that the reactions of the BUSHADMIN to 911 have now been proved to have been WILDLY and INSANELY counter-productive has little to do with who was responsible for 911. IF, like Natty, you love anarchy and mass-murder, you will believe that all is just fine and dandy in Iraq. I have my many suspicions about 911, but unlike nattyshill I have no cut- and- dried answer to all those hundreds of unanswered questions. I'm still looking, which Natty takes as a sign of weakness. No 'wall' , no cracks, Nattyshill ! You are the PR flack, I'm just an …
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HI HORSE Ole frog as a fair-fighting ole sodger is gonna deeclare a War Agin Night Attacks. Those Evil swamp-dwellers like old Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox, were defiNITELY TERRORISTS. As were those evil mothas in the French Resistance-- including my pa-in-law., now 86 . Playing the Devil's Advocate for a bit, maybe we ought to compare the victims of 911 to those from auto-accidents , ? I defy any American, whether Scorp, Nattyshill, or WTH, as to whether they were more afflicted by 911 than me. Seeing thousands of human beings die is not a uniquely American sensation . Those …
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Nattyshill, As far as I know my mate rabbit has not been involved in any "shady dealings" between 'elements' of himself and mass-murderers. Your ignorance of recent American History seems to be wilful-- in other words you choose to remain ignorant of large chunks of it. I much enjoyed your recent portrayal of yourself as a "compassionate conservative", an empty phrase displaying the empty mind behind it .
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Nattyshill, Those weirdo "truthies" did NOT send 180,000 troops to invade the unpleasant but innocuous Saddam ? YOUR man did. Great result. Well done, Natters, have a stroll around Baghdad City. Take a platoon or four with you,.You might get back alive. Shit. Those "truthies" are really dangerous. Better get some shills onto them.
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Hi Joe; Scorp tells us jetfuel went down the elevators on impact . " QED ". I do not have the time to check out all that, but HAD thought there were very few , or none, which communicated direct from impact point to ground-level ? Having worked many years dealing open-line to other dealers at Eurobrokers WTC2, I googled them a year or so later. I had left that business some years before, and somehow it seemed ghoulish to see IMMEDIATELY if I had known any of the victims. Eventually, ... I did look. One little-known story seems to be …
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JOE, I remember some of the firemen took a lift. Dangerous, but probably true. Here is one future hit-piece from NattyshillCo-------- "Bob Bowman" . No mention, of course of WHO he was, and the un BUSH-LIKE things he had DONE . Some bio. WELL, if Little BUSH had flown 101 combat missions, and also had a Ph.D, Little Bush would not be the little fratkid he is.
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Reply to my post, Nattyshill .
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Have a look at the other twelve articles by Terry. This one is, shall we say, out of character ? REMIND ME, NATTERSHILL, how many combat missions did your WAR HERO GWB, .......... fly ?
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Hi JOE, I really love posting stuff for Nattyshill. Here is one on The RED TEAM" So Joe, now you can sleep safely. The Kean Commission did not LOOK, so there was NOTHING there . No blame, no shame.
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Hi Onest Joe, Have you heard "the TV was obviously on .... and I said to myself , there's one terrible pilot ? Either mister 41 sees TV unavailable to the rest of us, or he lives in a fanatasy world ?
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JOE He says the "hypothesis is gaining strength", and the more we see of that inhuman bunch in power the less we are likely to believe that a few lives would put them off. Maybe 41 saw it on the radio ? That would explain everything .
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rabbit The Clinton investigations cost far far more than $7mio ? Ole frog is still waiting for the Nattyshill response to GWB telling us ALL how he SAW the first plane hit . How about it, Natters ? PS Yee haw - frog back in frogland. Now how come he gets posted half the time from Deutschland ?
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davidwesty your post from the PNAC maniacs Follow the html syntax , and make it EASY for everyone to click on your links. Cutting and pasteing is a PAIN , you HEAR ? Second nature , with practice .... and the edit function allows you to correct quickly. PS Thanks for the link ! "
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And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."
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Hi Rabbit, Horse and Joe, Being a rather ordinary dumb citizen, it took me years to envisage that CheneyCo MIGHT have done this. The classic argument AGAINST is that government is so inefficient that it could not have done it. My argument FOR is that Organised Crime, the Unofficial Government, is Very Efficient. Nearly 30 years ago Reagan appointed a 'Drugs Czar' . Big joke. Do any of you americans now see fewer drugs in the USA ? The FACT that 911 is now USED as a pretext for any and every foreign invasion, or infringement on the rights to …
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When men dress badly, its because theyre clueless, lazy or just plain incompetent.
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The "Free Marketeer Republicans" are in hiding, WTHbecause you can't run any modern society without a decent central Government. Their extremists said they wanted to flush it down the plug-hole . Ideologues. Bullshitters. Individually, many US States are passing their own laws, thank God. I saw the influence here in Europe when California and Germany tightened up, way back, . It was good. You do dislike Jimmy Carter, I'm sure, but 38 or 39 years ago he was talking about energy-independence I think. Much like Mahatma Gandhi, who believed that "staple" foodstuffs should not cross frontiers. This is of course …
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Our research here in frogland shows that E3 Bn on renewables plus energy-saving produces/saves more energy than our next particular Nuke facility. . GM and EXXon were selling OIL and IC vehicles, shit-head , so why should they sell you less oil or vastly more economical vehicles ? They are in BIZ for the short-term. NUKE power is for idiots.
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Just imagine if a small part of the money wasted on Arms research went towards this. Lifestyle changes are inevitable, and not always all that painful. I'm waiting for the electrically assisted bike price to come down here, which will replace a good proportion of my car-miles. No point taking 1.3 tons of steel etc to the pub. On nukes I found this by Chicken Yogurt which farmz will not like. And I hope the rest of you do--- another piss-take on Tony Blair ---- he's getting as accident-prone as Dubya NOTHING is going his way, except large amounts …
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Nice one, WTH . Up with the nurses, and make other jobs for prison guards .
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Wolf, to paraphrase you-- I imagine that most North Americans are just people trying to get by, but their "leadership" is well, nuts.
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WOLFY leaders all over are mediocre. Like us, but often even more so. The idea that they must somehow be wiser, more informed, than the rest of us is carefully inculcated, but a careful look at their words and actions often proves otherwise. Causes for concern are "manufactured ", but I TRY to choose when and where to be concerned, not as decided by them. You've been TOLD to worry about Korea, Iran, and now you do ? The Iranian guy's speeches are systematically mistranslated ,, and then the bullshit is repeated, propagated . Bullshit ! If you read rabbit over …
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WTH Agree 100% on no computer voting. People doing stuff is good for democracy, I've seen how involved they are here. US is so big , would take v many observers to sort out the most racist and otherwise crooked areas. A worthy fight for those who fight for it, because if they start to win, (not tomorrow morning) the consequences will range very far ....
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" Some (religions) have wackos all of the time" . Which ?
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Hello from frogland Sallyb 36, In france we still call them "frites" while Scorpy changed his appelation from "french"" to ""freedom" fries. Some raucous laughter now as as all of us sane people have a bit of light amusement at the lunacy of the Talibanesque American Wing-nuts. Scorpy is an old friend, and Natalie even more so. A delight to see them working so closely together at last. SCORP is the greatest Conspiracy Theorist of them all. Everything progressive in American History, economically, or politically including the Civil Rights legislation , was ACTUALLY done by the GOP ! The so-called "Progressive" …
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WTH for you saddam the monster
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SCORPY Sometime back someone pitied your poor family, if you have one, to have such a fundamentally twisted husband, or God-forbid, father of children. IF Aghanistan and Iraq WERE ---- "RISING DEMOCRACIES", I , as someone who always has despised the moronic GWB and hated the far more intelligent Blair, would be big enough to admit that their Invasions (though illegal) had had positive results. I do wish that whatever the motives of the SCUM, GWB and Blair , that they had actually "won" --- that the people could walk on the streets, even after dark, have water to wash their …
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SCORP I love the way you wing-nuts say "WE" saved your arses in ww1 and ww2. You were not even a twinkle in your poor daddy's eye at the time. I bet he was/is a better man than you. The frogs betrayed the Czechoslovaks, not the Poles. Their present Polish government is showing itself to be a really reactionary rightwing homophobic bunch of morons, fitting company for your goodself and your ambiguous Wee Georgie Bush. SALLY tried your link, failed. Ain't poor SCORP a study ? We've been watching him a long time, and are still not quite sure if he …
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WTH are you really really sure you can't type --- "<> =/ " " ? ONE TWO WTH I CAN believe the two big cops are more wrong than right, there are some pretty nazi cops everywhere, even here in rural frogland. JAIl for Godssake ? Sounds to me that DISSENT in the US is being very strongly "discouraged ". You do NOT address sally's cop "tired of all those anti-bush people' nor the medications. Why not ? WTH the Economist article -- a link PLEASE ? (read it regularly when I was in the money-market (money-laundering) industry --- …
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Sally WTH is basically a good guy, am surprised that he descended to this "call me a liar" schoolyard level. He is in denial about some things, while also seriously questioning Globalisation whose effects he sees in his family and friends. He detests the corruption in govt , as we do. He should answer your points about the cop "tired of all this anti-bush stuff", and the medications. IF TRUE, they are unanswerable, . Police State stuff.
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Sally, WTH, Redhorse, Brian28, Anonanonanon,Robin,Gnade,Oregonrasulka,Lliberal Even if some of you have been Republican voters, TODAY you are dangerous subversives. Some of you are unaware that Ollie North and "the Friends" were (are defintely still ) in the coke-wholesaleing business, arms for coke for the freedum-fighting Contras, and now as a source of bigmoney. . This lack of awareness will now be sorted, when you find yourselves together in the University of Awareness Those who know will inform the newly-receptive others. SCORPY believes you are just animals, so will find his little heart's desire in being Kommandant. Natalie will be in …
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anonanonanon thanks for the lead--
The Employee Free Choice Act provides for civil monetary fines to deter other forms of illegal employer conduct. The Employee Free Choice Act provides for civil fines of up to $20,000 for violations of employees statutory right to join a union and bargain collectively that occur during organizing efforts or during the period when employees are seeking to negotiate a first contract. Such violations, for which there are often no effective remedies under current law, include the following: Threatening to close the workplace or move overseas if employees opt to form a union. Switching …
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WTH japanese offers of surrender, i don't know, but islands can be blockaded. A senior civil servant from rabbitland left Tom Friedman 's The World is Flat here, and I tried to read it . Worrying that he could read the whole thing; I did a third and gave up in disgust . On last minute offers I do remember the taliban were prepared to give up OLB on production of evidence ? Financial tracking has been going on for twenty years now, so the NYT rather late, nothing dramatic. The gigantic majority of these transactions are corps avoiding taxes , …
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WTH You occasionally do not "run out of insults" either , though I admit my friend rabbit is very creative. . I have no documents to prove what Police friends at university told me, but in the olden days before drugs and Terra, they often used to give false evidence. That was with villains well known as such, and accepted as part of their symbiotic game. They would even drink in the same late-night clubs, and occasionally a villain would be sent down for a few years. That was 50miles outside london. Inside, the police were far more corrupt, and have …
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WTH I've seen Alberto Gonzalez a few times on TV, each time amazed that such a small-time lawyer could get so high . . The Miami Al Qaeda Terrorist Cell is the latest, funniest, and saddest. Might the DOJ have a little something to do with ensuring that the voting system is fair, or does some other body have responsibility ? Impossible that that guy could safeguard anything important, so now tell me, seriously , who does ? PS Maybe no DSL yet,? But be patient and see it for yourself.
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Hi Lapin, So true that much of what the dittos believe was once part of our worldview, too. But we've learned... WTH Did you see the articles here on Norm Stamper, the cop who learned ? He belongs to the LEAPgroup. So not all cops is bad ! Like the rest of us, some get over early indoctrination, realise their errors, and attempt to help others to do the same.
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EVERYBODY KNOWS CHAVEZ STEALS INCUBATORS, AND THROWS THE BABES ON THE FLOOR So why do you keep fighting against the TRUTH, Mister Rabbit ?
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Sallyb I suspected you were not just sitting whingeing while all that was going on. You are believable, in the same way that WTH is when he recounts the effects of globalisation on his family and city. On the Cops & Courts side , WTH has a problem in recognising that they can be lying and oppressive. He'll get over that. On the Fear of the Polish Plumber thread WTH 's own observations were spot on ----
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WTH You have a good point about the "rush to judgement" by prejudice. To put it another way, its a human weakness to somewhat enjoy, even momentarily, having one's own judgement confirmed by "events", however horrible. And then there is a 'temptation' to accept just anything. Most people I know here were aghast when George became President. After 911, the reaction was worry about what he would do, from my small sample ranging from wealthy CEO to mechanics and peasant farmers . His actions since, internationally and internally, have confirmed our worst fears both for the world and the USA itself. …
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HORSE, Bush can go to the Hague, Gitmo, or Hell, But WTH and I will have a large Haig, and share it with anyone <:b>except the arachnid, natty, or tina. Froggy bedtime. Cheers,all.
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Lapin Infatigable, That wuz no ball-dropping, just a sign of faith in your goodself . Since the rest of you didna turn up, WTH 'n me finished the Haig, and agreed to disagree on some things, while reaching accord on many others. Frog has since hopped away elsewhere, cross-checking sources on eleckshun electronics.
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Hopper, you remind me of many freezing and wet nights under a groundsheet unmodified since WW1, shelter-half maybe for wth. goons in the block mate remember wth is going inside with us. the enemy of many of my enemies. and did you see the video . off to brushcut a little in the coolth of evening
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The Revolutionary Communist Party --wiki-
The RCP has been active in a wide variety of social struggles, including but not limited to: the fight against police brutality and mass incarceration of African-Americans, women's reproductive rights, defense of Mumia Abu-Jamal, opposition to the Bush "regime", and government authoritarianism.
SALLY Do you reckon Natty the Shill is all for the mass incarceration of African - Americans ? And police brutality. I do. The posters on her link weree very funny, so thanks, Nat. We need all the humour possible to face up to life in Bushworld. Can't remember if your friend was a …Posted to Was the Presidential Election Stolen?
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Welcome Rabbit, these two individuals sure are fighting hard to defend the perfidious paranoid mental infection known as American Militarism. I have some questions on that video, but it is worth seeing by others Back to subject !
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Natty Bat Frog as POTUS after 911 is a lovely idea. EVERYONE here, including you, is brighter than the Bush creature, and I can assure that frog would rarely if ever do the same things as bush, and usually the opposite.
The biggest difference between the Soviet and U.S. occupation is that since 1989, Afghanistan has become a total narco-state. Close to 80% of national income comes from export of opium and morphine/heroin. Washington's allies (the Karzai regime and Afghan communists) are believed to be up to their turbans in the drug trade. Sending troops to Afghanistan was marketed to Americans …
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This is a year old, but interesting... BREAKING: NON-PARTISAN GAO REPORT CONFIRMS CONCERNS ABOUT SECURITY OF ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES !
The GAO report indicated that national initiatives to improve voting system security and reliability of electronic voting systems either lack specific plans for implementation or are not expected to be completed until after the 2006 election. According to GAO, "Until these efforts are completed, there is a risk that many state and local jurisdictions will rely on voting systems that were not developed, acquired, testing, operated, or managed in accordance with rigorous security and reliability standards - potentially affecting the reliability …
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LATEST SECURITY VULNERABILITY IN PAPERLESS E-VOTING UNDERSCORES NEED FOR PAPER-TRAIL, AUDITING A critical security vulnerability has been brought to light in Diebold touch screen voting machines, just as several primaries are about to occur. In a May 12th New York Times article, Avi Rubin, a Professor at Johns Hopkins and Verified Voting advisory board member, said "I almost had a heart attack " when he understood the nature of the problem. Michael Shamos, a computer scientist and voting system examiner in Pennsylvania, was quoted in the same article, "It's the most severe security flaw ever discovered in a voting system." …
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WTH Good for you ! I think this thread needs to get back on target.. Me guilty, too. And for me the real ones are blackbox voting , and disenfranchisement. . Exit - polls are an interesting detail, a diversion like signing statements, 911, Iran, Afghanistan (mine that one !) , police oppression etc. My interest is not to criticise Amerrica, as you are realising, just to see how the criminals COULD get and then hold power. And then keep a weather-eye open for WHEN they start on US here in frogland , too, . (maybe they have already, and i'm …
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Death Stalker Scorpion Leiurus quinquestriatus Powerful venom compensates for the scorpions weaker pincers and lack of brawny strength. Hello O venomous One, any good reason why you are not responding to posts about US elections ?
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POETIC RABBIT, sallyb, and other friends, This hopper can't even go for a decompressing few beers without coming home to be worried again. Insh'allah. Please God. Taking the problems of this world, the problems and suffering of others, onto one's own shoulders is what Humanity is about. IF we do not care if our neighbour lives, starves, suffers, or even dies, what are we ? What values do we have ? Which of us wants to live in a gated community guarded by mercenaries ? That can only survive for so long. In the end this is a small planet, and …
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MASTER SCORP The Military-Industrial Complex is neither good nor bad, like fire ? Have you never heard of Arms Races contrived purely to enrich the Arms manufacturers ?
FROG LIKES IKE This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very …
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HI HOPPER The rich get ZERO or a misdemeanour The poor get a felony , ole Prescott bought hisself a place in Congress.
By misdemeanors he essays to climb Into the aristocracy of crime. O, woe was him! -- with manner chill and grand "Captains of industry" refused his hand, "Kings of finance" denied him recognition And "railway magnates" jeered his low condition. He robbed a bank to make himself respected. They still rebuffed him, for he was detected. S.V. Hanipur
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TRUE Rabbit even the poorest of the poor pay VAT and petrol tax. But there is one thing the rich can't take away, they can larf at the f***ers. Notice how i'm trying to clean up me language, and failing ... know the song ? scorp I found this for you, some real-world economic thinking from Sir Anthony, Chevalier de la Legion d'Honneur, etc. frog found the econometrics too much , became a money-launderer, now reformed, so there is yet some small hope for your sad soul .
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Scorpy Ike spoke loud and clear about a very real danger. This has come to pass. No leftwind conspiracy there, and surprised at your ignorance on the subject.
To widen the market and to narrow the competition is always the interest of the dealers ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of …
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LAPIN A while back RFK jr wrote that 95% of Republican Congressmen ( and women) were crooks. And so were 75% of Democrats. Quelle FUBAR . C'est un bordel . I wonder how you'd quantify it for Oz, and me for france/UK .
The losers in this whole process are, of course, the voters. Where they don't have reason to fear out-and-out political interference in the electoral vote, they can expect incompetence and chaos. Toledo, for example, may have rid itself of Bernadette Noe, but it still had a major meltdown in last November's off-season elections, which it subsequently blamed on …
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WTH Good to see you. I think the problem goes even further than the "tactical" question of purchasing personnel techie competence. And the competence of manufacturers to build a bugfree machine, that's IF they want to .............( i bet my son in law could. from hardware to last line of program.) Not long ago a big brit bank computer got penetrated, Hmmmmmm. So any PC password - voting, or voting machines in districts, should have been approached with the utmost care imaginable ! UK GCHQ in the west of england can listen to telephone conversations in the UN building in New …
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HI Sally and ALL , good documents at craigmurray, fired UK ambassador to uzbekistan,( one of scorps rising democracies.)Hes a good guy. To us a torturocracy. pdf document 1 a gem for u yanks.... Off to get me organic bread , at the pub, of course. See you.
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SCORPY Every time you (metaphorically) open your mouth here, you demonstrate your position as a sort of Fool, a Court Jester. Historically, their dangerous role was to interject a little logic and sanity with their foolery. Your role here, upon opening your mouth, is to demonstrate to honest Americans of any political inheritance, that you are just a partisan Republican., of the very worst sort. Simple stuff, me old scorp. The voting system must be hyper-clean. The other questions such as disenfranchisement need a serious Federal investigation. Yesterday. Re-districting is a nightmare. In any country. So thankyou scorp, you are a …
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SALLY b, in the UK a piddling little contravention such as this would be dealt with in a local Magistrates Court. Even if she had actually bit a copper, no rabies involved and infinitesmally little bodily harm, she would get a $50 fine and an injunction not to illegally staple flyers. DUH
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SALLYb My old cobber WTH hit the nail where it hurt
Bipartisan commissions at the polls would be of no use if someone got into the computers and juggled the numbers. A clever hacker/programmer can design a program to take your vote for John Doe and send all or a fraction of it to Millard Fillmore.
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Rabbit Do not imagine that WE, the powers behind the throne, have not thought deeply and long about sacrificing the creature which you refer to as the Bushling. It got us worried at one time, but the medications seem to be working, for the moment. We can terminate it in any of a dozen indetectable ways, and also we do have three patsies lined up for assassination should they be needed. Two are "islamists" , Har Har ! That should go along well with -the "Plan" . For the moment, it is performing moderately well, defending the indefensible with bullshit, which …
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Rabbit You are verging on , no, plunging into, the horribler realms of sadism . Beware, Scorp is already there. The gallant Armchair- Warrior Scorp is already in his jamjar. HERE. Every time he speaks, he reiterates his litany of hate. i just enjoy leaving normal Americans to analyse for themselves what he says. His own worst enemy.
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Scorpy, I've said before i wished the Mideast adventures had been an outstanding success. For the sake of all those civilians, and the soldiery. Christina Lamb, The Times
It was impossible not to wonder whether any of those attacking us could be the same men as those I was with back in early 1988. And how, when Moscow had got such a bloody nose in Afghanistan, losing more than 15,000 men in what is seen as Russia's "Vietnam" (and a defeat that had played a crucial role in the collapse of communism), had the British ended up taking on the …
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Some things are smoking, but it looks more like guns than the American Economy. All of you have a look at this.craigmurray, whistleblower against UK government and US Administration lying to us all about " democracy and Human Rights" If that site is blocked, by popular demand, google craigmurray, and find another. One thing most sentient beings must recognise is that Hitler and other germans were not the only Nazis, once and for all . Same for Mussolini and the fascisti. Same difference. 40minutes of video Smedley Butler USMC and the plot to Save America , or …
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WORLD CUP stil in PROCESS my take was 2--1 for Italy; before the match. Zinedine Zidane for President ! Coulld not do worse than the other mothas, and far more intelligent than GWB. Not difficult.
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105 minutes, in extra time.
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Zinedine just committed a foul, seen and ctiticised in REAL TIME by the french journos. NOT BAD.They were completely HONEST. Well, even cheese-eating surrender-monkeys are not always dishonest . They displayed the honesty which all of us apart from PARTY hacks such as Master Scorp, do appreciate. How are the mighty fallen. Zidane sent off. Beware of IDOLS, feet of clay so often . ONE possibility is frog for POTUS . And that sure ain't gonna happen . So you guys have to find one of your own. There are thousands, even hundreds of thousands, out there, even a million or …
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Right NOW; the weasel crook Chirac on, the radio, trying to recuperate the maximum of political capital possible from the defeat. Almost as ridiculous as the weasel crooks Bush and Blair. The difference being that in times to come he will not be pursued , internationally, for THOSE War Crimes.
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Hello Redhorse, Bit of luck mebbe in my call on the football. 2.1 against the frogs. But I did also have some Evil Hope that they wouldn't win. Not that I don't love'em, the team, but I would have hated to see the attempted political "recuperation", by Chirac and compagnie. I live here, I'm part of them, but still an independent human being. And quite happy that a country that had voted out the neo-fascist Berlusconi won. "Your man" Smedley does not belong just to you. He 'belongs' to WTH, Sallyb, Rabbit, and Frog , too ! He belongs to …
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Toughshit RED, on that football career, I see you made it another way. Smedley the eye-witness is like all the rest., you believe or you don't. I do. And maybe start to do paragraphs like the rest of us conformist reactionary Dimocrat liberal cheese-eating Surrender-monkey frog-eating Anarcho-Socialist mothas ? waal, just a small critique, mon cher Cheval Rouge. Looks to me like Smedley was one hell of a MAN . And contrary to popular bullshit, that Race has not yet died out. So I trust you to READ , download the pdf stuff, and transmit to all your many friends the …
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SCORP If everr US war-aims had been those purported by this ADMIN, even with an extraordinarily low numer of troops, really excellent well-intentioned and well-planned US political initiatives MIGHT have resulted in a favourable outcome. By favourable I mean a peaceful society. Where girls and boys could go to school and come back home, even late at night. As under Saddam the MONSTER. That would have been an OUTSTANDING SUCCESS. I'd be HAPPY. QUESTION ANSWERED....., BLOODTHIRSTY SCORP ,? We now have the opposite . Unfortunately for ALL the victims. That includes physically wounded and dead and psychologically injured children of Americans. …
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Sally; WTH, craigmurray worth a look
Letter #3 CONFIDENTIAL FM TASHKENT TO IMMEDIATE FCO TELNO 63 OF 220939 JULY 04 INFO IMMEDIATE DFID, ISLAMIC POSTS, MOD, OSCE POSTS UKDEL EBRD LONDON, UKMIS GENEVA, UKMIS MEW YORK SUBJECT: RECEIPT OF INTELLIGENCE OBTAINED UNDER TORTURE SUMMARY 1. We receive intelligence obtained under torture from the Uzbek intelligence services, via the US. We should stop. It is bad information anyway. Tortured dupes are forced to sign up to confessions showing what the Uzbek government wants the US and UK to believe, that they and we are fighting the same war against terror.
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WTH I'm awaiting Craig Murray now, and considering to buy Smedley . Will check to see if he's free on the net, or in print. One which will also interest you is nathaniel fick. The two shepherds story. A very few US soldiers are on trial. NO. I'm definitely not impressed, especially after the very public attempts at cover-up. (Same for UK) I remember not only Lt Calley, but also very many others who have continued unpunished. My personal examples are non-US --- WW2, Korea, Suez, Uganda , Algeria, Northern Ireland. Am I predisposed to believe the worst of …
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sally, When the Mujahadin and Hekmatyar were US allies, the textbooks of religious hate were printed in the mighty ** of A . The idea at the time was to get the next generation really indoctrinated to fight "Commies" I suppose. Does a shill know what it is doing ?
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F***, Sh**, and BU**er, Frog just gave refs to USAID/ CIA afghan hatebooks, and power down ! Here it is --CBC on jihadi warrior textbooks published in the good old USA . Sally and rabbit are both correct. At primary level in Saudi, books such as this surely to be found, just as jihadi but probably less war-like. . I guess rabbit's friend was teaching science at university level, completely different. Try jihadising Gray's Anatomy . A major problem in Saudi is the large amount of money subsidising advanced studies in theology, and all those guys have to end …
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WTH I heard him 8 april on the BBC. Have to have a lot of the right stuff to stand up to the dumb machine. God knows where next. What a mess. CONFIDENTIAL FM TASHKENT AMBASSADOR TO FCO 18 march 2003
I was horrified when the massive assault on Iraq started. I knew both that Iraq did not really possess WMDs, and that our weapons were much less precise than the news propaganda claimed; tens of thousands of civilians were dying. Given that we were supporting the dictator Karimov, I thought it was pretty rich to be claiming to …
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SALLY b, IF you're still around; come and have a good read at 911 FAITH. IF NOT, maybe some other soul will follow the direction to an interesting debate ? Rather a lot of interestin participants, worth that read.
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WTH How did this thread get to economix ? I think the thing you saw had some spoofing in it somewhere, your article unreachable, for me at least, and the original video of interview as well. If there was one.... DEFINITELY WEIRD . However, for a little light reading, DO try here, lotsa fun stuff on drugs and politix and economix, and julian robertson... I speckt the whole thing was Al Martin spoofing .......the other guy...... but he himself is actually the doom-monger ........... and interesting ... SCORPY for gawd's sake ! The last I saw China had about …
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WTH You forgot the Congressman's hugendous amounts of time fund-raising, and pressing the flesh , from breakfastS to after nightfall. Not To mention those educational world-trips, Presidential Policy-making is done with the mouth-full at odd moments, usually with microphones switched off. The Times on Bushblair "special relationship" policy-making. Thinking of taking time out to think, at least FDR read a selection of newspapers, including one hostile. My friend Lord Patel of the internet found this on The Dictator 1933, which puts well into context the earlier stuff on Smedley versus JP Morgan, Dupont, and other villains. NOW, …
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DEAR OLD WTH WHO shared with you the Good Story of Nathaniel Fick ? THAT should have started a small cog whirring in your brain that WE TWO were, are , on the same planet ?
Ill make you a deal. You obsess about government spying and Ill worry about Iran and the radical Islamists
NASTY DISHONEST INSULTING STUFF. WTH. , unworthy of you. You accuse me of "obsessing" about Government Spying. What would it take to prove to you that "GS" has existed for a VERY long time ? Is the Congressional Record good enough, or would you like …Posted to Was the Presidential Election Stolen?
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HORSE fed Bureau of Intimidation WTH -- open your mind and have a read too ? You have noticed that I follow up your links.
At that point, the FBI also inquired who the author of that report was, and asked that an investigation begin on the author. Since I had written it, I was interested in the FBI's interest in the author. In fact, I sent away for whatever information the FBI had on me, through the Freedom of Information Act. I became curious, I guess. I wanted to test myself because if I found that the FBI did …
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WTH and Rabbit
WTH ---What makes me a conservative I guess is my belief that individuals need to take responsibility for their own actions and decisions as much as possible. I don’t want any level of bureaucracy involved in my life any more than necessary to maintain society.
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HECK 1873 .45cal = might be trapdoor springfield --Custer special winchester 1873 made that year = .44cal I guess you have a W mod73 chambered .45cal . but not made in 1873. No hearsay or imprecision around here. .....................^^............................. some pinko liberals knows their gunz...... (smiley face here). Yee Haw-- amazon just coughed up ---- Murder in Samarkand The little red book of labour sleaze Occupational Hazards --my time governing in iraq Enemy Combatant Tthe revenge of gaia Bliar & co tried to ban the first, cut out bits, but craigmurray stuck them all on the net, 4th july, so I …
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WTH And there i was, just adding a little innocent edit-something to a disquisition upon the 1873 .45cal subject.. 1873 .45cal may be trapdoor springfield 1873 winchester is .44cal But I guess you have a W mod 73 chambered .45 built later ? Just received Murder in Samarkand, which Bliar tried to ban. Yee Haw ! ..........................and smileys The story on that is that I tried to edit-post a link to my 1229, which then came up "Action denied Blacklisted Item" and my old post disappeared . First Time; It wuz the "Sexually harassed " bit .
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How might the Israelis and their Bush-Cheney allies escalate to a Middle East regional war? A linear scenario is that, after further bombardment of Israel by rockets allegedly made in Iran and allegedly delivered with the connivance of Syria, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) lashes out at Damascus and Teheran. Syrian and Iranian retaliatory measures would then be seized upon by the Bush-Cheney regime as a pretext for US entry into the war. Here the US would be openly dragged into war as the tail of the Israeli dog. But this is a deeply flawed scenario, sure to generate huge waves …
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Bush and unwilling friend now back home !
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Full name please. Ms Condoleezza Bojinka-Rice lest we forget......
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WTH Good on you. I like old things still working, being used. I collected 1830-1870 when a kid, the latest being Enfield 577 as used by the Southern states, Snider Enfield breachloader, and a Westley-Richards monkeytail 45 with an octagonally 'rifled' barrel. Gathering dust I'm afraid, so you win on the useful stakes. Me useless cowboy, no powder. The above was webster tarpley, not me. powerdown before, posting to edit ...
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Looks like your thinking inside the box, there, WTH. Tarpley is saying that to open further "fronts" BUSHCO have to get the american people on board . If he just goes ahead, attacking Iran for example, huge waves of resentment will be aroused worldwide against US/Israel, but also within the US against Bushco. Tarpley assumes the aim is to create more havoc as in Afghanistan / Iraq and now Lebanon. Next stop ? He reckons Bushco , being insane, criminal or both, , would use "false flag" ops , as a 911 scenario, to once more unite the US for another …
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For the Lebanon story see Tom Hayden on Israeli /"aipac" control over selection of candidates to Congress YO HECK Thinking caps are for getting outside the propaganda. Outside the box. I was with two german friends yesterday , one jewish. Robert repeated the stuff that Iran wants to massacre all Israelis, and Jurgen and I both told him, together, that it was all based on a mistranslation since repeated countless thousands of times. And believed by millions of people..... That is propaganda, reducing and distorting to pass a soundbite message .
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Robbing banks is against the law, but for some strange reason they have locks on the doors, and EVEN high security vaults. By DIEBOLD- LOGIC, banks are wasting 00s of millions, billions of $ £ Euros Yen etc of our money on these unnecessary precautions.
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WTH Israel has ben ignoring UN resolutions since 1948. And been allowed to get away with it. Israel has always got away with murder and continues to do so-Irish officer warns Israel of danger to observers-- Reuters Have you yet again forgotten the USS Liberty ? OR have you never started thinking about it ? Last saturday was the 60th Anniversary Celebration of the King David Hotel Bombing by Irgun. Substitute Hizbullah for Irgun , and see what you get. On many occasions I have realised years later that I had been taken in by propaganda, or just …
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WTH Some duplication here between the hoppers, excuses. Was doing a slow early-morning post ... Carefully Compare the US erstwhile faithful ally Karimov of Uzbekistan with Saddam, and then have a think about which was worse in the scale of Awful Dictators ...
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SALLY A quote from your link above to jerry ghinelli at ICH
John Bolton, the US Ambassador to the UN, noted that the American casualties from the Israeli raids were not equal to those killed in terrorist attacks, such as those that occurred here on 9/11. """ There is no moral equivalence between those killed by a democratically elected government like Israel and those killed by Muslim terrorists, """ Bolton emphasized.
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Somehow, the Wolfowitzes of this world always fail to internalise that human beings are morally orientated creatures. Indeed nations and people can live through some evil phases. Not that many years ago it happened in Germany, it now happens in America. Yet, human beings have something the Wolfowitzes lack. They have an ethical correction mechanism; humans regret their wrongdoing, they have a conscience. America lived through McCarthyism but recovered, it still tries to deal with its racist past and current racial discrimination, it has been dealing with its war crimes in Vietnam. America, no doubt will shake itself of its Zionist …
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Sallyb36 Back on Topic ----your links------ www.bellaciao.org link and the pics of circuitry at www.openvotingfoundation.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ IF ever voting machines were "necessary", the first criterion would be that they should be as robust and impenetrable as aviation Black Boxes. As far as I can see, the case has never even been made for that "necessity". A german friend is a volunteer vote-counter, manual system, in Hamburg, and there it is considered a great privilege. He was selected at random from the voters' list about 12 years ago, and is now a team leader. He does not need the 30Euros …
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HI WTH, The same german friend , as before, just above, considered it a great privilege to do the manual vote-counting . So would I . First fix that, and then --- or preferably at the same time---- work out how to get some real choice to bring back those old values that "commies ! " like me, and you, agree on ! Off to the pub. to pick up my delivery of goatcheese, of course.
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Hi Sal, busy , but following you'all when i can . Wittgenstein, approaching 59 in a few days, and feeling pretty much the same way . Pray God and keep your powder DRY !
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A voice from the past . Good to see you SallyB ! Things have sure evolved since we last met . Late now ............sleep. XX
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NYVEGAN, Good post on the WTO , have you tried links ? No 1< No 2 No 3
Americans lack a fundamental understanding of the string of failures that our country has used to feather our own nest. Its what Studs Terkel, Americas historian, calls our National Alzheimers Disease. We have no memory of history or its abiding lessons. What can we learn? What policy can we expect when contestants on American Idol capture more votes than any American presidential candidate in history? We have wrestled with this conundrum for more than a century. We …
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Well, Monsieur Muwakkil,, at long last I find little to disagree with in much of your analysis, in so far as it goes. I read an US interview with the Hamas leader, where he asked the vital question -- Which Israel , What borders ? 1948, 1967, ?????????????????? One of my older French friends was a "TERRORIST". That is what the German Occupiers and their Collaborationist Vichy Allies called the French Resistance. He was lucky. On the 6th june44, in Caen, Normandy, he was in his THIRD Resistance group , and now he's 86 years old, and still dynamic. I have …
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wth Shooting from the hip again, me old gunslinger ? Muwakkil was brought up on Resistance films like the rest of us, and nowhere does he "equalify them" ( to coin a Bushism before the Master of that genre) with the Vichy ADMINISTRATION. Muwakkil is talking about Palestine , Israel, and OUR leaders and OUR PRESS that reiterates the Bullshit. . Your comment about "Iraqi factions" has nothing AT ALL to do with this thread. NOTHING. SOMEHOW, for their own nefarious reasons,, Western Powers have seen fit to discourage, or kill off, secular alternatives to more or less extreme Islamist alternatives. …
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WTH You are right, but only up to a point . I was distracted by Muwakkil's completely inappropriate (polite language for fucking wrong) use of the word HAUGHTY, and missed his ALL occupiers instead of , for example, MANY occupiers. Gooks, ragheads, Hajis, Muj, are all clear signs of the Untermenschen -idea , racist forces at work. I do recommend you look at juan cole-- he's another example of my long-held belief that the US of A produces some of the very best examples of what humanity can be, as well as some of the very worst. In fact …
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WTH My argument for relativising and comparing different dangers that face us all is a reaction to the mass media . Self-defence. We are served up an increasingly trivial and shallow diet which can only be called propaganda . Distortions and downright lies are endlessly repeated until the majority of people get to accept them as 'facts' . The "health " industry is a case in point, where the proclaimed aims are far from the reality. Veterans and kids beware ! A recent case I saw on buzzflash or ICH was about a cheap drug not being manufactured in …
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WTH I wear a seat-belt too . Being fearful myself of road-accidents, knowing the statistics, I still belt up. I don't need "training" if people stop dropping asphyxiated around me in the subway, French metro, or UK underground. Poison at work and with luck I may live !. The only way you will have antidotes for 280mio Yanks is to devote half your economy to chem/bio warfare research and production, get everyone to build an extension on the house to keep them in, and accept millions of deaths due to the fact that the antidotes/vaccinations are more dangerous than the "thing" …
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WTH We got a long way from hypocrisy and palestine. Iraq is now a dreadful nightmare for those living there .(Unless this is a spoof, it OFFICIALLY confirms everything Dahr Jamail and others have been saying for years. this lightyears away from GWB's and Cheney's upbeat messages to TV ) . So are the various areas of the Palestinian Authority. As invaders the Ocupying Powers are responsible for the consequences of their actions. If you get drunk, drive and kill, no excuse that you were drunk ? I have seen no evidence or serious argument that this invasion was undertaken …
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brit Supreme Court judge gives his opinion on Gitmo and creeping Fascism Cutting off money that feeds kids and pays doctors is consciously inhumane policy. The Hypocrisy is in the words used to justify it, the arguments that sadly we gotta do it to defend ourselves against the nebulous terrists we are terrified of, the Islamofascists invented in our Think tanks. Muwakkil attributes part of the failure of Secular political groups in the ME to outside intervention, correctly. WE definitely overthrew Mossadeq in IRAN, in 1953 (?), because he wanted their share of oil profits. Later on WE chucked …
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WTH muwakkil does not write as carefully as he should. hamas ain't out to eradicate israel, any more than the mistranslated 'jihad' in iran. hamas has had a ceasefire in place for how long ? Saddam was a vicious despot. IMO the invasion had nothing to do with that. Oher vicious despots receive US military aid, collaboration, as we speak. craigmurray-- uzbekistan --- have a look. ? going for a swim, get away from this evilworld, brush away the cobwebs, seeya !
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HORSE Last week two brown-skinned BRITISH guys were arrested in London UK, at 4 in the morning, by NBC equipped SWAT teams, one was shot through the shoulder, lucky man, it could have been worse ! BOTH were released after a WEEK.. Fortunately for British Society, we have not YET descended quite so low as GWB's America. BUT THEY are working on it.... Horse, my advice to you is to, somehow, get OFF the internet -- which can be self-indulgent, as you know, --- and get out and about with your neighbours or WHOEVER , and register your disagreement with …
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TEENY ONE The four brits mentioned here were released . WITHOUT CHARGE. WHAT ENEMY ? Enemy Combatant. A British Muslim: Journey to Guantanamo and Back by Moazzam Begg with Victoria Brittain. On that terrifying night in Islamabad in January 2002, normality drained from the life of Moazzam Begg, reducing him to a non-person. For the next three years he was invisible to all but his captors, his fellow internees and his interrogators, who interviewed him 300 times, never producing evidence of their terrorism accusations, never putting him on trial yet shackling and branding him as an enemy combatant, a threat to …
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tina1 is a lazy SOB Taking a little historical depth into this study, how would you think Germans 1933- 1939 would have answered ? Maybe NAZI Party members were a "very happy" crowd ? Great. And what scrap-heap of History did they finish up on ?
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tina1 looking at you from the outside, probably neither liberal or conservative in US terms, and not involved in your politics, you look like a right idiot, a punk, a moral cretin , and I do hope to God that you do not have kids. One slight consolation is that you are so fucking dumbly extreme that no way can you be a shill. Who on earth would pay good money to such an imbecile, except Bushco ? Well, maybe they would, because they are as dumb as you !
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Cabby I was a bit inconsistent before . SHILL demands a certain intellectual ability. We agree it's unworthy, even evil, but there is some respect owing to a genuwine shill when they do a good job as mercenaries. A sort of chivalric respect, perhaps. We duel. I had not thought before of TROLLS being paid, but that one fits tina to a T. Tina is exactly the material that Unlovely states used to clear minefields with. Disposable.
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Hello Wolf. Words and concepts take time to get into people's heads and general circulation . First off, they look like exaggerations and scaremongering, and then... become "obvious". Very many years ago I read the Making of a Quagmire., about VietNam. A coupla years back, the word was scoffed at as a description of the current Occupation of Iraq. Same difference. Goebbels would have loved the TV we have today, the economic insecurity which keeps so many so busy they do not have the energy to look around, see what's happening. The better off are busy too, as consumers. No need …
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WOLF The shameful scandal and national disgrace of 15000 oldies dying is very real. The reasons for it range from immediate bureaucratic incompetence to the underlying fact that insufficient personnel and resources ARE deployed to do the job of looking after the aged. AND that happens in a country that has , technically, never been so rich as it is today. However comparing it to the US Occupation of Iraq is hazardous, for YOU. Sadly your dead are not alone. The severely physically wounded will be with you for the rest of their lives. The mentally wounded , as after VietNam, …
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HEY HORSE At times I've thought Wolfie was Human, but on second thoughts his rantish anti-french thing above looks like shiilism ?
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On November 10, 1995, the Nigerian military government under General Sani Abacha executed dissident writer Ken Saro-Wiwa along with eight other activists, and the international community reacted with outrage. From the Geneva based International Commission of Jurists (who called the executions a criminal act of state murder) to governments around the world (including the United States) who recalled their ambassadors, to the Commonwealth of Former British Colonies, who suspended Nigeria from the group, the response was quick, decisive, and nearly unanimous: Nigeria is an outcast in the global village.
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wolf agreed on the imperfections. Plenty of dictatorships in the world, to choose from, so why do some get selected for intervention, and others for military aid and collaboration ? Heresy to say "maybe Iraq was better off under saddam", but I reckon many may be coming around to that conclusion. Talking about their, not our opinions. Plenty of Pak taliban were airlifted back home. Those in G were hoovered up here and there, I believe a minority actually in arms ? Members of your JAG have protested agianst participating in rigged trials. Go look. There are hundreds of thousands of …
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A "better country" in bushcheneyrummy terms" would have been a country with a puppet government resigned to having its oil filched, its laws changed beyond recognition by the CPA , and a people subdued. Your and my idea of a better country completely different. Since we do not reform our own rotten societies, no right to pretend to do it to others... gitmo, try them if there is any evidence of anything, but the JAG say what there is, pitifully little for a few, mostly won't stand up in court . Beat me long enough and I'll "confess" too. GWB could …
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Minerva Agreed. for so much else we can ask "how could it go on for so long?" Prison conditions in most rich countries range from good to disgraceful, with little provision for education, reintegration. Great Inspectors in the uk, like General David Ramsbotham, no soft-headed woolly "liberal', have condemned the system, saying that there are tens of thousands in uk (out of 70,000) who should not even be inside. We know this, but the legal and incarceration systems persist, unchanged --- institutional monsters that often do more harm than good. How much worse in the case of guantanamo, where in the …
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JOKE ARGUMENT AND QUESTIONS . everybody except known nincompoops like *** knows that this is the answer. Some of the Bush Family Income still comes from the TRADE, so no way is it going to be abolished. Last I saw JEB was still ensconced; or ENSKUNKED , in Florida, so the Income is surely still INCOMING .
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The prison guards Unions very powerful, lotsa votes, so they LIKE crazy laws. And politicians are scared of them.... VERY few accidents due to marijuana I believe, but have lost the french research on it . read the LEAP site and weep.
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HI knocker First idea OTC for me. but open to debate Any transition needs a helluva lot of thinking through. If , WHEN you find the good research on it wd like to know. my firstthoughts on changing the law are oppo from prisonguards Unions, and the very well-connected Private Prison Corps. Both have huge muscle. For fun i recommend a google of "hemp" it is a truly fascinating story ...
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As a foreigner to your US internal debates; I'm amazed the CEO of Fannie Mae received $90mio. For doing less than nothing. Mussolini was shot BEFORE being hanged from that lamp-post ? What are you waiting for ?
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Well, Wolfie it was a peaceful enough place BEFORE your troops went in to make home-movies about their heroism. WTH grieving parents are not only American. VERY few of THEM compared to the many many thousands of Iraqis. SORRY. Forgot those ones are not HUMAN. They are just collateral damage, WE don't do body-counts. IF you like WAR, at a safe distance like Wolfie, do not whinge about your casualties. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Definitely hypocritical, there. They signed up for patriotism, a college education, or Adventure, whatever, and they PAID . It was a gamble, with yellow ribbons galore, and WTH and Wolfie …
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LEAP -law enforcement against prohibition French figures are less than one in a thousand, but could be reduced.
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Epistrophy No problem at all for some. A congressman who abuses prescription drugs gets off, a poor nobody gets 25 years. tina1 Remember Prohibition ? That encouraged crime, too.
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WTH Sistani is one of the bad guys, NOW imagine the good ones ? Tom Friedman's opinion is not gospel. Knocko--- the "Islamists" you so hate, and we all dislike, are there because GW BUSH invited them to the party. The painful truth is that the US Miltary and the GW BUSH Administration's TOTAL UNCONCERN about this persecution is unsurprising. They do not give a damn how many are killed, as long as the American people remain unmoved , and do not rise up in outrage at the next bullshit speech about Freedum and Demahcracy..
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liberal this war, or rather Occupation , was ONLY beneficial, up to now, to the reactionary element in Iran, because as I'm sure you know, iran has as many shades of opinion in it as our respective countries ! I'm not even sure Bush IS a religious extremist, but I am sure he plays to them.
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SCORPY You missed Israel off your list of "acknowledged nuclear powers".
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SCORPY always a delight to read your fantasies, -----such as GWB as a "trained business manager" and Ronald Reagan as a "trained economist". Luv it , keeep going.
Iranian-backed militia groups take control of much of southern Iraq: Southern Iraq, long touted as a peaceful region that's likely to be among the first areas returned to Iraqi control, is now dominated by Shiite Muslim warlords and militiamen who are laying the groundwork for an Islamic fundamentalist government, say senior British and Iraqi officials in the area.
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CABBY and WTH The heart of darkness and democracy now in Iraq are SCORPY phrases ! I'm surprised at both of you . The thirty year trend on median incomes is probably down (real terms) as the rich get richer ? and WTH, i know you can't use the edit function, but a serious attempt at html will be much appreciated. "nettiquette!"one of the refs you accuse someone of not reading
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REDHORSE I reckon you do injustice to Cabby and the Major, and also WTH, Bubba 'largely' a DINO, and ain't he just great friends with bush41 ? According to the deep conspiracists, they have Mena Airport in common. WTH--- I found this for you, thinking wickedly about your occasional fondness for Foreign Wars, " getting rid of this and that", ie -- blowing the mothers away +++++ collateral damage Smedley Butler was the GREATEST MARINE -- DISCUSS ! He died before WW2, but his words resonate right now........
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SCORPY "FASCISM is no longer a serious problem" ?? Goebbels would appreciate this
The "9/11 Changes Everything" mantra has been successfully used to justify: 1) an insane invasion and occupation, 2) an Orwellian state of neverending warfare, 3) an all-out assault on our Bill of Rights and our Constitutional separation, balance and oversight of powers, 4) rampant and bald faced war profiteering and a huge increase in dubious mil/intel/security expenditures, 5) an insane doctrine of military pre-emption, 6) torture and rendition, 7) a culture of authoritarian secrecy, 8) the persecution of political dissent, 9) enraging the Muslim world and …
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SCORPY Fearful or just plain crazy little dumbshits like GWB , repeating his 911 mantra, got so many Americans scared out of their brains that YOU are now enmired in Iraq, YOU are losing your liberties, and have become the most universally distrusted and often hated state in the World.. According to you, SCORP, this is some Master Plan ! On 9/12, the USA had universal sympathy right round this sorry planet. Overall the human reaction was horror at the loss of life-- the next step being universal anxiety as to what your idiot President would do. . I know one …
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WTH Come off it me old mate, you can't believe anything written by a hack who works for the Rev Moon ? Can you.......................? moonie madness
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WTH Surely who pays the salary is not a superficial detail ? I'm surprised that you complain about lack of objectivity in the Press, and then do not have a look to see why, and how, this happens. That sort of innocence can leave you easy prey to snake-oil salesmen. If you think the Moonies are a harmless organisation, up to you, but they smell bad to me . Any group or person that preaches the Clash of Civilisations, that incites to fearfulness and obscene expenditure on armaments, stinks. Ever heard the expression BLOWBACK ? Ghost Wars by Steve …
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WTH THE WAYS OF OUR MASTERS ARE WONDROUS TO BEHOLD. You mention bomb-factories in uk and canada, as PROOF. Maybe................. maybe..... NOT. Remember the 2001Anthrax SCARE in the US ? The FBI stopped investigating, and WHY ? London there were all those headlines about RICIN terrorists arrested , nothing happened. They were going to bomb Manchester United football ground, guys arrested , nothing happened. The US arrested thousands on suspicion of terrorism, nothing happened. The Detroit Sleeper Cell mean anything to you ? All that shit makes headlines, the denials are in the small print. Just got to keep the people …
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WTH. MOON established the WT 15yrs before his speech for the 15th birthday, at least that is what he says. Blankley is one of many seemingly reasonable bloody propagandists. To varying degrees the media is infested with them, and the most dangerous are the least 'extreme'. I believe you have the wrong idea about Islam. No more 'murderous' than any other religion, in my opinion ! Could you stop getting hyped up about 911, and start thinking ? Terrorism is a tactic, and only a way of life, or death, for very few individuals. Some of them work for government agencies, …
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WTH One of my golden rules is that if EVER I begin to feel hostile to ANY group, or whatever, is to ask the question . CUI BONO ? WHO wants me to feel like that ? I hope you get DSL soon, good videos out there.
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WTH If IT happens again, IT can happen anywhere, .I live 80clicks from a nukepower and re-processing station. I edited my post, so you can do a google on "Posada Carriles". That is just a minuscule example of the fact that "OUR" States are just as terroristic as the all-time favourites such as Libya. Nobody is pretending that the US forces are doing ALL the killing in Iraq. However, they are doing their share, as even the Iraqi Ambassador to the US has pointed out. I forget if it was a cousin or nephew who was collateral damage, American language for …
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WTH Often a good idea to read reports from the ground and forget the armchair strategists and pundits. I recommend reading all dahr jamail's stuff.
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Hello Horse I found a good piece by gwynne dyer at ICH. I only opened the one article . The rest, I'm afraid, would have told me nothing really new, just added information overload.
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WTH have a look at the thing by gwynne dyer ? link above. The fact that he taught at Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (uk equivalent of West Point) is of course no guarantee that he is RIGHT, but his opinion should be worth a look, and a deep think !
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WTH Your link to that one article by DAHR JAMAIL did not work, for me. The man comes from Anchorage, and does not speak arabic, even. He's a yank with a US passport, with the real US and Universal ideas about what is RIGHT . I went to his site and found his first posts from Iraq. November 2003 I have not read all his posts, but the many I have read would make me PROUD , if an american, that this guy came from my country ! I recommend you read ALL of what he has written. Decide …
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REDHORSE Add slant-drilling and the mighty silent April Glaspie together, and you have a set-up for GW1. Add this from Greg Palast, and you have a mighty fine conspiracy !
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ACTIONS LEAD TO REACTIONS, SCORPITUDE, some are unpredictable, others are highly likely . The French left and right hated each others' guts in 1936, Front Populaire govt, but after the Germans invaded many got to know and appreciate each other in the Resistance. freedom fighters or terrorists ?
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WTH i did have the prob of not being able to get back 'in". Have something called "Tune up Utilities", pressed clean&repair, and it did. Another poss if you have a date when it went wrong, I now have XP which has a function where one can go back to a previous date of 'state of system' . Keeeps all recent files. I still have boring things with WOOBROWSER , and a nasty company called "Errorsafe" who have infested me. Anyone who errorsafe starts checking your system 'free' for viruses, disconnect. !!! A real PEST ! As Linus Torvalds answered the …
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WTH IMO the Cold War was a 'construct' as much as a reality. Arms Races have a history which I must re-explore, but from distant memory the IDEA is in 1910? to sell one sub to country A, then tell country B, who orders two, and AWAY we go . Good biz. . Well, The date was way wrong, the story true --- 1881 with Greeks and Turks being conned. Dick and Rummy perpetuated the "Cold War", $ and Power. ( I like IKE .) Anyone who says "We, or Reagan, WON it " , is talking out of …
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WTH Getting away from Cobra2, sounds like a good book, back to the more murky world of the other side , where disinfo and black-ops hold sway., They are part of a collective plan, too. The real enemy now is the American people, because even if casualties are infinitesimally less than Vietnam, they are needing more and more 'persuading' . It's not because yanks are soft, it's because the whole goddam operation was a con-job, a crime. They are spending hundreds of millions on propaganda, and still losing. PS Do you remember the Iraqi Savages throwing Kuweiti babies on …
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JCHALMIT Thinking back some way, how many Vietnamese Terrorists have blighted America since "you" "withdrew" ? I refer you to my link of 14th June above. freedom fighters or terrorists. READ AND THINK. The important thing in a democracy, is that IF we know the TRUTH. We will stop doing things that will incite ANYBODY to do us harm. The simple message is "Stop fucking with me, and I will stop fucking with YOU".
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JCHAMILT I have serious doubts as to whether Al Qaeda exists in the form in which you appear to believe. Without going into the boring thing of giving links that no fucker seems to read or comment on ( WTH i'm still awaiting your repose to my link freedom fighters or terrorists !) Terrorism is a tactic. It has very often been used by the USA. And the UK, my country of origin. IF, and it is a very big IF, this writer had wanted to explode a tactical nuke in your country, and he had had a very small, TINY, …
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WTH very interesting idea that your USA is flitting from one short-term "solution" to another , just like the totally barmy financial markets. ( frog knows, been there, seen it, done it ) Looking at the current Administration, there is much to be said for that point of view. Barmy, nutty, MAD ? They are certainly subjects for psychoanalysis, or at least CITIZEN'S ANALYSIS ! INFORMATION ANXIETY (one book), shows that the info overload we all suffer from is omnipresent. ( Friend SCORP is the exception, 'cos he can fit everything into his little boxes. ) Your idea that US admins …
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RED Ain't read it , but can guess ! The child-like simplicity of so many otherwise admirable Americans is astounding . Nobody could sell them that bridge in Brooklyn, or persuade them to fork out $5000 to the Nigerian 'banker' with the proposition most of us have had on the Net, BUT they will probably fall for this latest that sounds like total bullshit. (BUSHit ?) Usually shit like this comes up to distract attention from something else ? What ? Cui bono ?
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WTH just listening to Murtha talking to Russert. About Rove, the tough guy who don't want to " cut and run." Murtha WINS . He is quite polite, being on TV, and a fucking politician, so instead of saying "Rove the armchair warrior is sitting on his arse and telling you to "stay the course"," he uses the word "backside". Same difference. I saw the hesitation, I knew which word he wanted to use. Murtha is no shrinking violet Peacenik, like me, (GOAK), but he has a point in saying that the cost of this war/disaster would pay for a helluva …
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WTH, Cabby, this is a very good article by robert dreyfuss He makes the point that the bad guys CAN win, as the Contras did in Nicaragua. They just needed more money, more ammo, more ruthlessness, than the other side, and in the above case this was financed by importing cocaine to the United States. ( Yes, WTH, I meant importing, not exporting. The CIA imported, gottit ? ) Cabby is sure to remember which dumbfuck in this Admin said WE'll pay for it with their oil, because Iraq is floating on a sea of it ! dreyfuss---
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More agonising stuff from Riverbend, who is a star. prob here on html posting, editing... but the above from Spinoza works by cut&paste. but this is easier ! Riverbend is a Star. Riverbend
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HELLO HORSE , Agreed. A NIGHTMARE . you're up late, no ? Interestingly bad article at 911faith movement, worth reading all the posts right through...
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JTD -- Could not find link even when registered... Private prisons are like Diebold voting machines --- strong indicators of a society going ever increasingly faster down the pan.
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JDT prisonjustice.ca A much better link, two articles instead of one.Thanks . The original US article , above, describes such a situation of awfulness and inhumanity, that one wonders how anyone could support such a system. Good to see that Canada has not completely lost its head, but the war has not been won, just one battle. The Privatisers will be back -------
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Found this at pnhp.org
. HMOs/insurers that can raise massive amounts of capital by selling stock have a decisive advantage. Their deep pockets allow them to mount massive ad campaigns, market nationally to large employers, and set premiums below costs until competitors are driven out. Once they’ve cornered the market they can drive hard bargains with hospitals and doctors. As a result not-for-profit plans across the country are going for-profit (even Blue Cross), and small plans are being taken over. Even the largest physician-owned plans cannot compete with U.S. Healthcare, Prudential and similar firms with multi-billion dollar war chests. Large …
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Jay Cline- good to see you writing utter bollocks again. Ever heard of Chapter 11 ? I'm a brit and I have. I used to broke money, so know about "junk bonds", ring a bell ? ( or should I say -- rattle your chain ?) Any serious plan to revive the US car-makers must tackle their crazy health-care liabilities, otherwise they will fold. Punkt. Full stop. Point final. Dead Parrots.
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WTH You are as young as you feel, old boy ! The UK NHS was born in 1947, me too. Pork barrel and Tammany Hall go back a long way, too. Two mediocre reviews here of Washington Pay-off by Robert Winter- Berger , 1972 , about Nathan Voloshen and organised lobby crime and corruption well before Tom DeLay , a fascinating book. I was lucky enough to find it second-hand in Paris, (France, not bloody Texas !). Recommended read from cover to cover, should be a collector's item , like many long out-of-print books, even on reading lists …
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WTH- I know how much you love Walmart and Company. Ackshully, Adam Smith was far more clever than those taking his name in vain, with their invisible-hand simplificationistic mumbojumbo ideology. He was a cool cat who saw what we all can see (except Jay deCline and Co) , that if you let the Big BusinessVolk make the laws they will Rob and Oppress the rest of us. So Adam Smith was a crackpot conspiracist ?
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Sgt WTH You can't have it both ways--- illegals are both working, and overloading the system ? With all due respect, you do honestly recognise the real problem of Big Money and Corruption, and then allow yourself to be side-tracked into attacking 'illegals' whose lives down there have become unliveable because of the effects of Globalisation, CAFTA, NAFTA, forget which ! Going back to TOPIC, you made a comment as a self-employed man that the Govt doesn't provide groceries, so why should it provide Healthcare ? For me , health care would be more like 'roads', we all need them, we …
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Cabby I worked in Aukland NZ City Hall for 5 months in 1971, legally, employed by them, in the Traffic and Fire Safety Departments, and now getting to the age where I wonder if I paid pension contributions ! Documentation long disappeared, so this migrant worker just lost out ... WTH As usual I sympathise with much of your post, and disagree strongly with some of it . YOU are obviously someone who has his own strong ethical standards, similar to mine on most points. "Having it both ways". The exploited legal or illegal is working for low wages, agreed ? …
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One of the greatest things going for GWB is that he supposedly talks ENGLISH. So we can see and hear him talking utter rubbish, and we know, without the smallest shadow of a doubt that he is a twerp, an ignoramus, a fool. The iranian guy has to be translated for us, and now we know that the first translations were totally off-beam, WRONG . Those are still being promulgated by the propagandists and the foolish. NUKE ENERGY IS good for the nuke energy companies. No-one else. we can do better than that shit.
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Actually not, Monsieur Chopper, I'm quite happy NOT being in the middle ages, and have no intention of going back there. ! IF you think for a moment ? How often do you take your car for less than 10 miles ? How much does it weigh ? Is it REALLY one of your big needs in life to take around a minimum of ONE TON of car to go buy a paper or something ? .
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Radical Islam was less dangerous than radical neocon geostrategic warmongering. Which came first ? WHO financed and encouraged these guys, see next line---- WHY is the USA the most despised and feared unpredictable rogue-nation in the world today ? IRAN DON'T HAVE NO NUKES . DUH ! Great Threat ! The rest of us feel more threatened by the USA. We've seen what you do when you want to remind us you are TopDog. Thankyou a lot for Fallujah. Next stop freedomfries and Paris ? Radical Islam alive and well in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN , thanks to which great freedom-loving plutocracy …
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WTH apols for my extreme little rant above -- but you got my goat with that stuff about radical Islam. Your other posts on globalisation show so much more understanding that it surprised me that you should fall for this "long war" trick. As for Gitmo, most of those guys were picked up miles from combat ops, even in different countries. "Enemy combatants" is BushSpeak.
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winterchestnut I get the bbc radio here in frogland -- just heard that cuba sent 32 field hospitals to pakistan after the quakes. Much appreciated apparently. Maybe an example that there are other possibilities and motivators than .................................profit ?
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chestnut A country where healthworkers knock on doors to invite people to take advantage of what is socially available is not 10000000% Capitalist. That is Socialism and must be expunged from the system. That Healthworker aunt of yours should resign from her job, as being engaged in traitorous UnAmerican Activity, since she is not working for the Profit Motive.. Until the USA reduces taxes for the rich sufficiently to ensure that there is absolutely NO money for social workers, your country is going to go further down the pan. WARMAKING must come first as the primary concern for all true red-blooded …
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johnny So much passion, much of it well-directed, but some way off-beam. Read the real theo, and think !
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johnnycentrix perceptive stuff, about GWB and his constituency, his sort of people, but they ain't really real,--- small rich people, Talking about cowboys, I just saw Open Range with Kevin Costner, Robert Duvall, Annette Bening, a complement to Mr Smith Goes to Washington. Those two movies epitomise another america, the other america, where people stand up to the scum.
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Public holiday here in frogland, but we're going to USE it , too ! It'll make a change from taking a day off work or striking. Same problems as you guys, same globalization , rightwing politics, and same opposition to them.
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WTH Iran's not going to attack anybody's home, not even mine that is far closer than yours, so stop fabulating ! We've got enough real shit to worry about without this concocted stuff.
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To return from Mr Reid’s science fiction to earth: the technology of making nuclear weapons is not obscure. The Iranians claim to have enriched uranium to the “3.5 per cent level”. This is enough to use as nuclear fuel, but nowhere near enough for nuclear weapons. That requires up to 90 per cent enrichment, with 50 to 100 kilograms of it to make a single bomb. The Iranians say they have 164 centrifuges. But thousands would be needed to get a significant amount of weapons grade uranium. Experts say it would take five years or more to produce an atomic bomb …
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Scorpy We have a rightwing government here in frogland, and you may have noticed we've been giving them a little hell recently. Something to do with this globalisation shit the americans are also afflicted with. Not sure if we have more bureaucrats than you, but here we give poor people money instead of foodstamps. Now that is a gigantic difference. Your unemployment figures are plain wrong. American U6 for feb2006 is 9%, which is comparable to french figure of 9.8%. Add on people who escape the official figures and you get around 12 or 13% everywhere. When I get on the …
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One thing is sure. Our rulers aint going to do anything sensible unless we force them to.
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Linus Pauling, founder of Linux, was once asked the difference between himself and Bill Gates----- " I'm a programmer, he's a marketing man ". And now Bill Gates is marketing himself as a World Figure, the philanthropist who will solve the problems of Africa . Well, its a nice long way from the problems at home . A few years back, at Davos, one of that gang made a speech and said (paraphrase from memory)-- "WE are the masters now", and the assembled politicians applauded. Bunch of softheads. " The business of government is to restrain business ", is not a …
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thanks major,, slip of the brain.
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radko "smart " donations to charity are minuscule compared to the ravages of increasing globalising "de-development " . If some or all of their donations are tax-deductible, how ironic. Is this true ? Structural violence hits hardest "down there", but we can all see it at home, too.
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Hello Kuya and all Yes. This is an unusually civilised thread. Sometimes the trolls and shills can be stimulating with their Islamophobia and other assorted rabidities, bullshit statistics, personal attacks, idiotic historical analogies, and so on , but this proves we do not need them . Of course you are right about an armed struggle. . Maybe if I lived your side I would have an old rifle safely locked away, but will never know ! That Halliburton building of "refugee camps" and the prevalence of SWAT teams, Homeland Security apparatus, sure are worrying. Our Riot Police are not too pretty, …
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Theo Saving time and energy by partly withdrawing from the system leaves space for study and organising . Never been so busy . Repression of new movements --- the threat and occasional use of physical violence is already here in the rich 'north'. Always has been. Anti-terrorism Laws are now in place just about all over, and they are already being used to persecute non-violent activists. Just try wearing the wrong tee shirt in London Paris or Washington . They own most of the MSM, our job is to expose the lies and the news they don't publish. Our peaceful demo …
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theo What you say above applies very well to large numbers of political adventurers who start out on the revolutionary or just highly critical left , and become "faithless adventurers" complicit with all they hated when young. My actual local french point was that however peaceful we are, cops can be , and are ....., infiltrated in demos to do the 'provocations' to make headlines, justify repression. Agreed on the wider scale, ----anyone who has got as far as contemplating acts of terror and murder, who is psychologically or morally weak, is pretty easy to suborn. They easily can become a …
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theo every now and then some cop provocateur gets searched and they find his ID ! I resonated with your 'constant intellectual training' comment. I've been more or less told that my job is to be a 'guru'. It happened by accident, when people with less time to research asked me to sum up what's going on....and I gave my first stumbling answers. Since then, I have been working harder to be really sure of what I think, and know, with much help here as LB and countless others refine details about eg--real unemployment figs US. (bureau of census U6 v …
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Theo Agreed . Unfortunate choice of word. Mostly a news service/encyclopaedia , giving info when asked , and just getting on with research and activities.... I've never been into the 'leader' or follower thing, particularly as an expat non-voter, but do have the local stake of kids and grandkids. Well, plenty of losing going on now, here. Too early to say if opposition seriously growing, next few months hanging in the balance as national politicians politicking as usual. Whatever happens business as usual for us, more work...
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Not so sure about the --useful sometime allies-- i'd need a long spoon to sup with them . Never come across Ernst Bloch, will have a look around later, Marc Bloch an inspiration, though, historian and Resistant. . An example for our time. Must go, work to do in a few hours for a Resistant , now 86, who survived that other invasion
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Way back, LB refered me to this question, at politicalcompass site--
Who urged suspicious attention to any proposed new law or regulation that comes from businessmen, because they have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public ? Henry Ford Bill Gates Adam Smith Milton Friedman
Nafta, Cafta, WTO, all Globalista plots by corporations to deceive and oppress all of us, globally. Any politician who goes along with this is either a fool, or a traitor to their electors.Posted to A Primary Concern
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WTH you said it before--- jail the contractors. jay strauss and mao both regarded the ordinary bod as exploitable and disposable, to be manipulated for their own good, eh ?
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cabby a 'racial transfer agenda' is more often refered to as ethnic cleansing. And what is also scary is that we hear very very little about those extremists. Chomsky 28th march, and Muwakkill 6april, are both saying the same thing--- American foreign policy would have been the same without the Israeli Lobby--- and Muwakkill ends by saying its influence would 'decline rapidly' if US economic and security interests changed . Chomsky's article is peculiar . He ignores the fact that AIPAC and co ensure that no critical discussion of Israel is possible in Congress and very little in the Media, and …
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Neat reference there to Leo Strauss, Major ! Cabby, I agree on the control of the discourse (who couldn't ?), but the control of a large number of politicians is a vital part of that, surely ? Not all bribed, for sure, but all aware that the attitude of AIPAC often the difference between being selected then elected , and NOT. On Kosovo, Chomsky was not trying to provide some master theory, just pointing out that the propaganda war pre the bombing of Yugoslavia was just that, propaganda. The 'massacre' at Racak, etc. .
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Cabby in view of the important place of organised crime both sides, maybe crime partnership rather than client/patron ! Israel arms to Latin American terrorists, drugs in return, same as CIA.. Uri Avneri has a slightly more positive take on those elections than you , but sityation still grim as capitalist world demonising Hamas. antiglobalista ? ""Less than two thirds of the registered citizens did actually take the trouble to vote. Politicians of all stripes are detested, democracy despised among the young, whole sectors estranged. Those who decided not to vote, but at the last moment relented, voted for the …
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cabby I was brought up as Christian, never heard anything about hating Jews. Methinks you protest too much about Israel not being about the Jews, (or at least, someJews ) when it is as plain as day that AIPAC and the rest are just about the most influential lobbies in the US, and their equivalents elsewhere. Nobody here ever said that all jewish americans are rabid Zionists, but most of the neo-cons are. I'm sure that many Israelis wish for less support from their american co-religionists, some of whom are dumbly well-intentioned and others are just neo-cons, as you say. A …
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cabby For the record, first 30yrs UK WASP, last 29 Europe, mostly here. Maybe I wasn't listening to the indoctrination , I find I'm also surprisingly immune to the commercials on the TV ! Or maybe there wasn't any ? Which does not mean that there was not some around, but not near me. For illustration -- in 1974 an anglophobe frog asked me what the english thought about the french. I had to think a bit, and then give the honest but cruel answer-- "the english don't think about the french. POINT. FULL STOP ! " Less true today. Some …
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A Lobby, Not a Conspiracy By TONY JUDT 0919/06 "New York Times" -- -- IN its March 23rd issue the London Review of Books, a respected British journal, published an essay titled "The Israel Lobby." The authors are two distinguished American academics (Stephen Walt of Harvard and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago) who posted a longer (83-page) version of their text on the Web site of Harvard's Kennedy School. As they must have anticipated, the essay has run into a firestorm of vituperation and refutation. Critics have charged that their scholarship is shoddy and that their claims are, in …
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QUOTE CONT...Each of these considerations might reasonably account for the mainstream press's initial indifference to the Mearsheimer-Walt essay. But they don't convincingly explain the continued silence even after the article aroused stormy debate in the academy, within the Jewish community, among the opinion magazines and Web sites, and in the rest of the world. I think there is another element in play: fear. Fear of being thought to legitimize talk of a "Jewish conspiracy"; fear of being thought anti-Israel; and thus, in the end, fear of licensing the expression of anti-Semitism. The end result — a failure to consider a major …
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QUOTE contnued....The damage that is done by America's fear of anti-Semitism when discussing Israel is threefold. It is bad for Jews: anti-Semitism is real enough (I know something about it, growing up Jewish in 1950's Britain), but for just that reason it should not be confused with political criticisms of Israel or its American supporters. It is bad for Israel: by guaranteeing it unconditional support, Americans encourage Israel to act heedless of consequences. The Israeli journalist Tom Segev described the Mearsheimer-Walt essay as "arrogant" but also acknowledged ruefully: "They are right. Had the United States saved Israel from itself, life today …
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I have tried to step delicately around this subject, for the same reason that the US MSM have largely avoided it, being gutless under pressure, for the simple reason that it is very damned near to TABOO. You bet the Lobby exists , one of the most powerful and not only in the US, either. You misrepresented Opeluboy -- his point of view was the same as mine. We all three do agree on many very important facts. How on Earth can you write---------
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No way I, if american !, would start with the defence contractors or the Pentagon. or the rightist fundamentalist christians, Congress and the White House . are where AIPAC has extraordinary influence.
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cabby I recently read a report of a 2003 meeting of 50,000 people here in france, Amitie-france-israel or somesuch, where govt ministers, ex-ministers of left and right , and national level pols of all parties except the "extreme left" and "very extreme right" were represented. Supposedly there are about 500,000 jewish people in france, so not a bad turn-out. Let us look at the Holocaust Museums in the US. These are springing up like mushrooms, and cost a lot of dollars. Seems to me you misunderestimate the amount of money those guys have to play with. I have never suggested that …
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Frog, Perhaps the real role of AIPAC is not the bribing of key Politicians but the control of US political discourse on the issue of Israel/Palestine. This is even more important for them in the long run! Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Apr 9, 2006 at 8:10 PM
Frog, You know damn well that Christianity is anti-Jewish, especially European Roman Catholicism. You come from France for shits sake! Have you been asleep all your life!?
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Agreed that US econ on a knife-edge, again, and maybe my use of hegemony inaccurate . Fine. Your reading of others' posts is very often partial, monsieur cab, and your ranting has so often bordered on the hysterical that I have even wondered at times if you were not a deep-cover shill for the ADL ! Consciously or not, your shotgun accusations of antsemitism have put you in strange company. You posit that the state of Israel is purely a tool of US foreign policy, and that an alternative view even partially inverting this power relationship is plain wrong, and very …
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Rumsfeld on Chavez ----- "HITLER was elected, too."
"The Bush administration should be paying close attention to what is happening in Latin America, without repeating the mistakes of the past. It should define a clear policy for the region that is based on supporting democratic processes and institutions, and should seek to ensure that democratic governments like that of Evo Morales in Bolivia succeed. The United States should be more tolerant of those leaders who do not necessarily toe Washingtons line, and show that it is committed to democracy, regardless of what candidate the people choose. After all, economically successful neighbors …
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"It was moving", said the Man. Yeah, so were the Nuremburg Rallies. Hats off to Jim McDermott for doing a runner. Rocco thanks for the horrible videoclip. Nothing would ever , EVER, surprise me about that creep . I googled the film "VIVA ZAPATERO ! ", and found nothing your side of the moat ? Came out here in france 21dec, but not in mainstream. Saw it a coupla weeks ago here in farwest normandy province , and impressed. Very funny, & moving. I tried for a trailer, but yahoo was down.
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Maybe not action-packed enough for you, jay, but I found it revealing of a bunch of dummies applauding on cue.
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Well Jay , it amused me, "when we stood up for one of the "applauses", liked the phrase ! Also berlusconi is closer to home for me, have italian friends, watch the neo-fascists down there with a certain interest Also wondered if you all had heard of the film I saw. Sure nothing new about dummies, they're looking more and more alike across the world, same globalista ideas, same bullshit.
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WOW ! After a very brief read wondered why rocco and doug are fighting, but see that scorp is on form. scorpion have you read any Howard Zinn ? (eg --Peoples History of the United States. ) Plenty of details on how US workers' grassroots movements were crushed before Hitler started putting Communist and other trade unionists in Dachau, 1933. I haven't seen the WORLDWIDE CALIPHATE promulgated anywhere, and Iranian mullahs have pronounced WMD to be unIslamic, similar to american bishops who should pronounce them to be unChristian--- but we don't hear much from those guys. You repeat …
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""IRAQ: The Fatal Divide at the Heart of the Coalition US security contractors and regular US soldiers who are evangelical Christians," writes John Geddes, the ex-SAS soldier "see themselves in a crusade against the Muslim hordes. In my view, they're not much different to the Iraqi militiamen and foreign fighters who see themselves at the heart of a jihad against the Christian crusaders." by Max Hastings, The Telegraph March 12th, 2006 Here is a quote from a British security contractor in Iraq about his American counterparts: "I hate those bastards more than the scumbag insurgents." A British colonel recently returned from …
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MAX Point well made. The word 'appeasement' in this context has been grossly misused for TV soundbitery. When will... europe... stop appeasing us ? I forget who made the earlier point about a multipolar world --- but I am deeply concerned that Europe has not become more independent. The continued existence of NATO does not contribute to peace. I close with some common sense from rachel a survivor of the london bombing--- """What is so frustrating to me is that BLAIR DOES seem to get the link between unstable states and terrorism, and with Iraq being attacked and subsequently al Qaeda' …
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Neville Chamberlain---- CONSERVATIVE "APPEASER ". from where we get the phrase so over-used by crooked politicians and neo-nazi propagagandists. The "no-fly" zones over Iraq were not approved by the UN. Private initiative by US and their UK poodles. 911 & Iraq --- no relation, as even GWB has been forced to admit. Mortal Danger is a change from "vermin". Most americans were happy to be isolationist, APPEASE Hitler, until manoeuvred into war by the socialist Dimocrat , FDR. What mortal danger in the 1980's Gulf ? USSR into Afghanistan (which is not in the Gulf) after US began supporting Fanatical …
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Max I checked back to see what this thread started from. The "clueless sclerotic old guard" at DNC still play by the same rules as the GOP in that they are almost as business-friendly, slightly less corrupt, and mostly go along with the neo-con international agenda. Clinton as bad as Bushes. A more productive analysis should be to see where people stand on Globalisation, both in its effects inside any state, and on international policy.
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VERY GRAVE SITE PROBLEM I get emails of postings to this thread, and others, which do not appear.Please notify webmaster. Ain't Scorpy just cute ? Ahmadinejehad is obviously not a lovely guy i would invite back for tea, but he has NEVER said he is building nuclear weapons. SCORPY chapter and verse, with WHO does the translations, on him demanding the destruction of Israel ?
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thread down the drain, been bugged ?
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scorpy's friends have bugged this site !!
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max, a site prob going on. agrree why conquer if you can "own". !
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From what I read in this article, no $2 from me ! I thought his expression non-ideological out of place . Since when has considering the real problems such as criminal globalisation, ever-expanding armaments and ecocide been a question of ideology ? Ordinary people around the world seem more aware of these problems than their representatives, and in your US case the Dems' leaders have mostly lost the plot, no ideas let alone ideology !
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I am not a great fan of George Galloway MP, but he often gets it right, as in today's UK Guardian.
When Mr Blair bragged to the assembled claque at a soiree in the headquarters of Goldman Sachs - whose partners are among the richest people in Britain - that everyone present was paying less in income tax under him than under Margaret Thatcher, he seemed neither to understand nor care how repellent that sounded during a third Labour term and with multiple urban deprivation beginning just a stone's throw from the City.
Shades of GWB and that speech to the …Posted to Barbarians at the Helm
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WTH ---interesting article. A curious mixture of biting criticism, and what verges on flattery, but that is a first take ! Similarity to Tony Blair, whose pursuit of 'modernisation' is very like the Maoist Cultural revolution. Spent a few hours last evening with a couple of recently (2yrs) elected State Representatives, and they made exactly our point, they found many of their longer-serving colleagues really out of touch with ordinary people..... And that is regional government. Higher up, the elite career politicians seem to have very little clue at all. The convergence, or near-indistinguishability of parties over here too is a …
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WTH You are so RIGHT on so much of your 0946, that I hardly dare to point out one major self-contradiction. I agree "Stop the rape of Mexico". But then you say later on "apply trade pressure" to make them install a more just society ! Earlier on Knocko asked "Where is massive corruption the norm ?" And was pleased with himself to answer---- "Mexico ! " Writing from france we have a lot of corruption, quite well hidden, but in the USA it is wide out in the open ! Surely, WTH, you do not need a brit in france …
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Rich Americans can and will keep power at all costs. No way will they threaten their Mexican partners for other than an ulterior motive.
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WTH 28th 0351 I don't have a 'problem' with what you wrote about Mexico; I agree with the analyses here on the rape of Mexico. Moving here to ski, ? My 'problem' was that no way is the US going to pressure Mexico to economic reforms to benefit the vast majority of its people. . The earlier delocalisation of US factories to Mexico was followed by further movement as these jobs then moved on to China, leaving unemployment and increased poverty behind. Those fleeing to the US are refugees from a failing society to another less far down that road. (Same …
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CABBY Sometimes I wonder if anyone else reads your posts, and mine, because they carry on regardless. 1Stop the Rape of Mexico , ROCCO ! For the third time , those in power in the US are raping the US, so how can you EVER imagine they are going to stop raping elsewhere ? They do not give a monkey's for human rights, unless it suits them as a public relations excuse for going to war somewhere. Globalisation with a small 'g' is a fact. My 80yr old ma now mails me from NZ. My $25 Chinese drill goes through granite …
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WTH Completely agree with you that the employers should be hit hard. Without them, the spectacle of undocumented day-labourers clamouring and competing for work would disappear ? When I came to france 23years ago, the official system was that employers theoretically suffered heavily for employing 'black' labour. In fact there were, and are, very few Inspectors , so it was bad luck if they were caught. . The exceptionally scary case for them was when a worker was seriously injured, and being uninsured, the full weight of medical costs, and disability compensation, was charged personally to them, the employer. When …
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Misery loves company --- Universal Economic Screwing . The UK's NHS "reforms" follow each other so fast, all are dizzy. Recently many hundreds of nurses fired, also scores of doctors and specialists , just in one city . Subcontractors are used more and more to cut costs, exploiting low-paid workers, and getting rich. The scam of PFI (private finance initiatives) has loaded 30year debt on hospitals at outrageous rates. Off balance-sheet for the government.. One customer works in a 500 staff NHS office; they all had to re-apply for their jobs, taking a week of evenings to fill the forms, 15% …
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luminous Well, maybeI I got the exchange rate wrong, but no more than $700 per annum. And I get the works. I don't go much to the doc, but on a yearly bloodtest he fills the page as he wants, and all paid for. (My new doc forgot the PSA test for ageing males, but nobody's perfect) . Any dentist here does "rootcanal" work, unlike our friend WTH who got refered to a 'specialist''. CUBA is a very interesting story. France, UK, are short of docs, how crazy can you get in a supposedly advanced society, and Cuba has them …
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Luminous COBRA at Euros4000/$4800 pa seems outrageous. But there again, I am only insuring myself against the last 30 odd % of costs. The rest is guaranteed either by unemployment status, or by my and my employers' contributions. in france these are very heavy !
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Luminous My other threads here are right down , my posts do not, and nor do others I get mailed about. WAYNE This is not proof, but it fits. Those who pervert justice, taxlaws, scam and steal the Republic in every possible way, indulge in murderous wars, well, quite possible they are sexually perverted too?
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Cabby I'm still looking for the US estimate of those working without a SS number, what we call on the 'black' -- no insurance or tax of any sort paid ? Agreed that those with greencards, special visas, contribute far more than they get back. So all "illegals" are working black ? Agree with some of the economic points you make, but the presence of immigrants, anywhere, may, or MUST in some cases, lead to downward pressure on wage-rates ? If I remember right, Ricardo called it the Iron Law of wages, and the other guy the Reserve Pool of labour …
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Luminous Good work, and thanks ! Unemployment U6 at 9% for feb2006 is not lightyears away from the 9.8 or so we have here. In Paris and other high rent areas there is/are? a growing number who have legal jobs, but are SDF--- Sans Domicile Fixe-- homeless. Some live in tents on wasteland, within sight of luxury apartments, nuff said. Off to sharpen my mower and do a little over the table.
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Cabby, LB's link "HERE", above explains difference U3 and U6. U6 more comparable with most european statistics. More figures to mull over, more concepts to question, thanks as usual. Off to return rotavator. 86yr old Resistant still works his garden, maybe get his thoughts on globalisation. .!
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bookmarked. Thanks a bundle, LB, for giving me brain-overload , but keep it coming ! I remember under Thatcher, one statistician counted 15 cheaty tweaks to unemployment figgers. Bon weekend all, off to see the revolting students in Caen.
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A VERY good article, BECAUSE it told us, reminded us, of what we all knew already ! """In other words, our food system may be looking at a doomsday denouement before the middle of this century. It is becoming increasingly certain that the water will run out, the land will no longer absorb the torrent of nutrient waste spread upon it, and the over-bred, antibiotic and hormone-injected animals will eventually succumb to their natural limitations. Poole puts it this way, The factory system of food production will simply implode. Until the citizens of the heartland rise up in sufficient numbers to …
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Cabby, As usual I learn a lot from your post;. The competitive advantage of US production in those horrendous feedlots is due to vast economies of scale, proximity to feedstuffs, zero environmental regulation, and much of it also susidised also I guess by various Farm Bills. I am not at all sure if there IS a logic to offset trade deficits, some flawed masterplan. More like the march of folly. I agree this druggy system may work for a while, at the same time as similar producers such as Brasil increase production, but in the not so long term must come …
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Petersmith You may find that animal rights and human rights have a strange way of going together ? I recommend "Fast Food Nation" to any who haven't yet seen it !
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JP you missed inverted commas after ' = ' and at end of address your 31march-- ""I would like for US hog production to revert to primarily small operator status. This would be better, I believe, for our environment, for rural communities, and for the pigs. There is enough solid data here to make persuasive, focussed arguments. To attempt to add on an animal rights argument, perhaps dragging in highly questionable or worse %u201Cfacts%u201D from animal rights sources would seem to be a hindrance to securing any progressive change.......... "" How 'small' is a small operator ? Down the road from …
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Arby How are we going to fix this mess ? Obviously we can't make 'everyone care enough', but the minority of those who care is increasing worldwide. If we extrapolate from what cabby so cogently demonstrates above, and this article, the whole world will become even more of a disaster than it is already. The same mechanisms are at work everywhere, the consequences are for the moment less obvious where we live, in the rich North. Land Reform , sustainability, redistribution of income and wealth , somehow, are the only answers . Citizen calls the system bullying rather than economics. …
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oligopolywatch agribusiness JP Noble initiatives by tom harkin and those two republicans, but this is a helluva long way from theodore roosevelt and the now """disappeared""" Anti-Trust legislation ?
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JPTook me an "edit" to get the second one right, but perseverence ! The delights of broadband have arrived in this Normandy province, thanks to Euros from local government. So now I can watch GWB saying "fellas, I didn't want to be a War President", at the same time as I can read Mick Smith who exposed the Downing Street Memos. Thanks for the links, goodstuff. But rolling back that oligopoly power is going to be a fight, so must have grassroots . nyvegan Thankyou for the very good Chomsky quote on the virtual senate. We all already knew it, but …
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JP-- missed the film, but all my neighbouring farmers young in the 1960's went to Algeria, and 200+ from this region were killed. Cherbourg is just 60miles north of here . They now build nuclear submarines.On a more positive note, the municipality took back the water utility from one of our infamous multinationals last year. It was robbing the french consumers with high prices, same as in africa, latin america. This is a growing trend, where local initiatives have global implications. Please excuse me if I was rabbiting on too long about our seemingly idyllic country life, but the serious points …
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JP McDo certainly does fight when it thinks it can win, and then can be as big a bully as you could imagine ! Check out the McLibel case in the UK, which lasted nearly 20years, the full might of McDo against two penniless individuals. The guy was a postman, forget the girl's occupation, but both poor . However, I do get your point, though 'fairness' has nothing to do with it ! This is about effectiveness. McDo is still one of the big shits, though I believe no longer expanding quite so fast. I have already recommended Fast Food Nation, …
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shac7 So if I say I think animal -testing centres should be closed, I'm a Thought Terrorist. Unfair, and unjust.
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JPyou are missing the " after the = and before the > at end of link. Edit function a great help. Thanks for your link. Sure is a nasty campaign. Similar to the targeting and even murder of US docs who did abortions. HLS also looks like a nasty company, in a nasty and increasingly unnecessary business. I did not look at the videos, but they were bad enough to get the company fined, obviously. Unfair is a word that brings back childhood--- "its not fair !" I wouldn't call Friedman a liberal, just another warmongering hack for the neo-cons . …
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KNOCKO "saddam's control of the mideast would have collapsed our economy " I refer you to Colin Powell and Condoleeeeezzzzza in early 2001. Too late to get the references for you, but both stated categorically, then, that he was contained, presented no threat to his neighbours, even. Mussolini was a fascist, but see no way you can say saddam is.
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Zperry, I see that happening here in france as the young going to school together do are naturally race-blind. 11 national origins in my daughter's class of 21 ! But their older brothers and sisters have a harder time getting a job than their white schoolfriends. So racism still exists here, and even the teenagers know inside it will be tougher for them. Here it is not PTSS, apart from the caribbeans, it's colour. They come from bangladesh, ceylon, and 9 african countries, so were never slaves. The same "poisonous ideas" were instilled in me 50years ago, and I have managed …
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VIVA ZAPATERO Very funny/scary one from the country that gave us Mussolini.
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Adrien I second your plea for a translation . This expos of the rise of a creep to fame is of universal interest. ............................................................................................................................ An Intellectual Superstar in France Gains an Audience in the U.S. By SCOTT McLEMEE COGITO ERGO ZOOM: In the late 1990s, the French sociologist Pierre Bourdieu published a scathing critique of public intellectuals who not only spoke in sound bites, but thought in them as well. It was such a noxious development that it could only be named in Franglais: Bourdieu called them "les fast-thinkers." He did not explicitly name Bernard-Henri Lvy as an example; but then, …
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WTH Stumbled across the thread and was interested to read your personal experience of the "hollowing out" of the US. Well, horrified would be more accurate. We are on the same road here in europe. Your fear of wars far worse than this pretend war on terror is understandable. Under the present politicians and their likely successors we are all in danger , but the guarantee of failure is when we allow ourselves to be sidetracked. On the political level, anyone who persuades us to be fearful of a foreign enemy , that we are in mortal danger, has won. And …
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WTH Since we agree so strongly on so much, I also am a fan of the March Of Folly , I must underline where I disagree with you ! I wrote above--- """On the political level, anyone who persuades us to be fearful of a foreign enemy , that we are in mortal danger, has won. And we have lost. """ My contention is that even YOU, a wideawake US citizen horrified by the criminality of those in power, have fallen for their spin on the news. You say they "don't even need to own the media". I disagee. They DO …
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DEAR WTH All of the world with a television shared the horror of 911, with the same human reactions. I spent 12 years 8hours a day on open line to a company that lost 60 in the south tower. In the 1970's I had to cross central london every day, to work, and was always aware that there could be an IRA bomb somewhere. I've watched WTC7 go down scores of times, have you ?
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WTH It is now common knowledge that the Cold War was hyped, and that the "usual suspects" made billions of $ out of it. .coldwarthom hartmann Now we have some new hype You say "the Muslims have declared war" , based on some bullshit from one guy. He no more speaks for all muslims than you speak for all americans. Anyway, he is most likely dead for some time.
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WTH History-writing is surely always revision, otherwise why not go by the newspapers of the day ? Documents get released after 30/50years, predictions are proved wrong or right. The immediate "winners version" gets "revised "! I re-read the OLB fatwah you linked to. Yes, at first sight it is scary stuff ! But somewhere else he says, Norway is in no danger , they haven't done anything to us. That's from memory, but the gist is there. So this is not a declaration of war against all "christians". Even though saddam installed a secular state, and was thus an enemy of …
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I agree with the WTH who wrote this about our rulers ---- They have no concept of the daily problems of average people. To them ordinary people are non-persons in the same sense the Negro slave was. We may have made some progress a racial division after all. Now all races are equally discriminated against by these glib comments and thoughtless policies. The politics of fear works on all fronts, foreigners, Muslim fanatics, unemployment, de-skilled jobs, crime, drugs, ruinous healthcosts, unaffordable housing, Enron/pilots/carworkers pensions that disappear and so on. Like most europeans and americans I face considerable uncertainty for my …
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WTH>/b> Thoroughly agree with most of the second half of your post. I not only saw WallStreet, but worked in the $ industry for 12years in Lux, Paris, and an interesting 1980 month in Kuweit. You may find it Interesting to do the test at politicalcompass. Technically we may be very far different on the "scales" but agreee substantially about everything except the "terrorist menace" ! ........................................................................................................................... FIRST Part --example 1999 was after the Cold War , or not ? OLB and fellow orgs USED by CIA, MI6, Bka, in kosovo to train and fight with "terrorists" of OCK/KLA against …
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So, the cartoon bullshit has resulted in 200deaths worldwide. Very sad, very painful. Having reviewed some of the 911 footage, with 2200 deaths, not ALL american, that was sad, painful. Having thought about the US bombing of Afghanistan; about 2000 men; women, and kiddies, that was sad, painful. Having seen on TV the shock and awe on baghdad, and the rest of the country, very sad, very y painful. ONLY 20000 dead, in three weeks,what a relief ! ONLY TWENTY THOUSAND DEAD ! I include Iraqi soldiers in that figure, Have you yanks ever thought that those guys hated saddam even …
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To start off, Islam does not proscribe images of the Prophet. Some branches of it do, but it ain't in the koran. There are lots of images in museums etc around the world. In the 1640s Puritan extremists in Cromwell's army destroyed "graven images" in churches. It sure is true that Muslims are being demonised in the MSM . And as Maria says, above, this rubbish should be opposed by all of us. Not a question of being a "liberal", one can be a true conservative and abhor the fostering of hatred. Any hatred. WILEY Free Speech is just one of …
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hello whattheheck I haven't visited those sites, but seen film, read a lot. I find most of the Deniers/Revisionists objectionable, to say the least . In france we have the Front National Party , headed by an ex-torturer of the french army in algeria. Close links in the past with swastika-waving Nazis , which they now conceal. They embrace all sorts of holocaust revisionism, which gives it a bad name. We have had a number of trials here, one book by israel shamir recently banned. Quite a lot of witch-hunting. Somehow i missed that Northwestern professor, enlighten me ? (For other …
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Wiley I can see john taylor gatto coming through on your homeschool project! The whole idea being to get kids interested and then they mostly educate themselves. As we can't help doing still, just comes naturally . I Never thought you were into 'prosecution', tho your rant may have given that impression to some. We have obviously been reading in parallel on the Holo-subject. And you have summed it up very well. As with the 911debate, we are seeing attempts at steamrollering dissidents. I saw a clip of Tucker Carlson MSNBC refusing to broadcast a 10second clip of WTC7 for Stephen …
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maria "Never Know ?" They got pinochet, or NOT ? Sometimes the truth creeps out, rises up, emerges . Sometimes it has to be dug up. I'm with the people out there. And i expect many of them who know the Mossad far far better than I ,would agree that these cartoons could easily have been one of their Ops. Nice smokescreen . Israel about to gobble up another 20 %of the bantustans, and cut off food supplies too. Good article on """FLEMMING ROSE""" By James Petras on the web.
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Wiley, I for one have often been very sad, and almost overwhelmed, by the injustice and cruelty around in this world. When I was a young soldier my government conducted chemical warfare experiments on other,unwitting soldiers. I remember those 'opportunities' to get a few 's and a threee-day homeleave. Google "operation antler porton down", and think of frog 40years ago. When I was young, I was brought up to be a bit racist, sexist, etc, but over time have evolved to be less so ! No absolutes, but undeniable progress. The feeling of sadness, frustration doesn't last long, and then back …
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Maria "The fact that we dont know why we are here and the evidence of our mortality is of course somehow discouraging but empathy, compassion and love are definitely better than greed, intolerance and division. " My answer is to make up my own little reasons for being here: a search to understand a little more, to try to make some sense of the world, and to try for little improvements. The 'mortality' bit encourages me to do those things for my descendants. For me too. I find life has an enjoyable purpose, good to stretch the brain! Fun to learn …
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WTH At 22, this guy was the taliban's ARI FLEISCHER .
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Cabbie, Herzl , Jabotinsky and Co had good reasons for inventing Zionism well before Hitler. Hitler did not build the european railway system. I regard all massacres , "politicides", as equally evil. I disagree that the Holocaust is unique, and should take pre-eminence over every other horror in history and the present day. Look at what the Holocaust industry has done to improve the World ! Lots of disneyland museums, wars, and more wars, and the Zionist tail wags the USA dog. Anyone who disagrees with israel's expansionist and warmongering policies is condemned as an antisemite , even hounded by ADL/JDL …
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WTH Your joke about the standup comicry is much closer to the truth than you thought ? A courtcase here in frogland was recently dropped -- some pressure group was attacking a serious historian for "denying" the genocidal nature of the Atlantic Slave Trade ! Robert Fisk tells us that after 30years reporting from the Mideast, he has NEVER seen it in such a dangerous state as today. Talking about "context" , he doesn't know the whole story about who is directing the deathsquads in Iraq, but damn all to do with "islamofascists", I am sure. Those guys are mostly useful …
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WTH Sorting the info is the "unsettling" duty of any citizen who would hope to be worthy of the name. It doesn't come for free, takes time and effort, but gets easier, and more fun, as time goes by and one starts to recognise patterns. Here's for some history. In 1972 Nixon back from Moscow crazily believed that swords could be turned into ploughshares. Nightmare news for the arms manufacturers. Luckily two White Knights were at hand when Ford succeeded Nixon. DAH DI DAH ! ZORROS TO THE RESCUE .!! ""Rumsfeld and Cheney began a concerted effort - first secretly and …
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""The archangel reported that the Almighty has become increasingly irritated with the vogue for politicians to claim that He is behind their policies - especially if these involve killing large numbers of humans. According to Gabriel, God spake these words: "That George W Bush once had the nerve to say: 'God told me to go end the tyranny in Iraq, and I did.' Well, let me tell you I did no such thing! If I'd wanted to get rid of Saddam Hussein, I could have given him pneumonia. I didn't need the president of the United States to send in hundreds …
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Dear Cabby, thankyou so much for your personal recollections of israel. Like wiley's from the USAF, and mine from the british min of defence chemical/biological experiments on soldiers, they authenticate history. ( not sure if that"s english, I usually think in french !) The Holocaust Industrialists are certainly not "pleading for credibility and respect for the victims", they are ramming their version of history down everyone's throats, and they have unlimited Money and Political Power. The inevitable consequence of this campaign is that it is often so hysterical ,violent, and unscrupulous that it prompts many people to ask themselves WHY ? …
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Cabby Why so goddam touchy ? First time I've been called insinuating and bigoted, i shall treasure it ! On second thoughts, please please do not answer that question, too much ranting is bad for one, and I esteem you far too highly to wish you any harm. Ypur paragraph above on Israel is brilliant. NOW, i also have great respect for Norman Finkelstein, and it seems to me that your interpretation of what the "Holocaust Industry" is, as defined by him, is 100% wrong ! $ permitting i shall maybe buy his books one day, so for now i go …
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QUOTES ??? I HOPE ! All history is revisionism ! For example I grew up believing that the recent nuclear bombs were used to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of US soldiers. Typical lazy acceptance of propaganda. For example, maybe Japan could have been blockaded and starved to death ? Not a question of left/right belief. Just historical research leading wherever it leads, without preconceptions, testing hypotheses.
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Cabby "Self-conscious approach" is beyond me ! I know i'm stoopid, but struggle on in my fumbling way. For me all history is about "revising" previous versions, otherwise no point in doing it, eh ? Since "revisionism touches such a vital nerve in some, I am happy to proclaim myself a "revisionist". First of all you proclaim your admiration for Finkelstein, then you say "we don't see the same Holocaust Industry". Well, which is what ? You obviously have NOT read ANY of Finkelstein's work. If you had, it would be obvious that he is hostile to everything you hold dear. …
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Cabby after a close re-reading of your posts, and doing my homework!, i confess to having been taken in to a small extent by the revisionists. Well, even a small extent is too much. Whether the way to fight them is with Denial Laws, i'm not sure, still thinking, but my instinct is no. A serious question, Finkelstein criticises Wiesel severely; What is your view ? Also a few of your favourite websites would help me ? You can cut and paste, and if you want to be really helpful a very little html, too! That method would also maybe save …
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Cabby Thanks for the ref to Enzo Traverso, who writes in french , here in france, shame on me for not knowing about him. BUT. I don't find that Lumens said anything to diminish the very real Jewish Holocaust. Along with most other posters here, I have a lot of interests and concerns, so am not a world expert on any one. After all each would take a lifetime of study, so I'm always open to advice. Seems to me I have also seen accounts of Poles saving Jews ? Or was that just revisionist propaganda ? Your last three paras …
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Cabby Thanks for the leads. I started with the excellent Lenni Brenner, a few articles and a couple of chapters from Z in the Age of the Dictators. As for all the "poles being antisemitic" , many, even most, were( vaguely) but many were not , as brenner points out in ch21. Just a detail, but shows the danger of generalisations. If I had to categorise myself, spose I belong to the broad family of the progressive left, with some affinity to the libertarian right on certain issues. But since my early studies were in sociology, a tendency to wish a …
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The Chavez 'antisemitic story' in your second para figured here in France in Libration, (founded among others by Sartre),and Charliehebdo, which seemed to me once to be of the radical left. In FACT, both of them have now been definitely taken over by the likudniks. Which is why this propagandabullshit was published. Well, Cabby, difficult to admit otherwise that "J" is not over-represented in Hollywood.
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LB A very educative site ! Like the man who spoke prose all his life, a friend pointed out to me a coupla years ago that I was a "real" anarchist, unlike mutual friends who've been self-proclaiming it for years. No wonder i've so far been incapable of joining any political party. We were shown a similar analysis in 1969, first step in first year politics. The FAQ contains an interesting US criticism that "you can't be libertarian AND leftwing". Duh. The history-test in "iconochasms" is brilliant, passing to teacher-daughter and schoolinspector friend. Parts of it , such as what Colin …
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waynemadsen rather lurid today """"V has one bit of advice that is already echoing around the Internet: "People shouldn't be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of their people.""""" now there's a thought................
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LB As with cabby's posts will need to read yours several times and then visit the sites. (One site, plus some googles.) Having translated the buddhistic quote from cabby in the pub tonite, I notice that it applies everywhere. It came out something like-- Pas la peine de chercher la Voie vers le Bonheur, le Bonheur est la Voie. Not very many years ago I realised that a smile costs no more than a non-smile, and that a little inspiring of others brings out the best in them, so a galloping introvert evolved into something more enlivening. And I learn …
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LB The Helen Thomas bit came up after I posted. Icing on the cake. His previous posts on V for vendetta CusterBattles, were worth any visit. ................................................................................................................................. Already, the right-wing, including blogs like Town Hall, Men's News Daily, and WorldNetDaily, are attacking the film, calling it, among other things, pro-terrorist, pro-homosexual, neo-Marxist, anti-Christian, and left-wing pro-Islamo-fascist (by the way, co-star Natalie Portman is Israeli born). Someone named Ted Baehr, writing for WorldNetDaily, called Britain's Parliament, blown up by V in the movie, "Western Civilization's most enduring symbols of democracy and republican government." That's funny, last time this editor went to Britain, …
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Cabby didn't need to ask you twice to do the history- test. That was the beer. Very seriously, the alternative to assassinating the bastards one by one must be elsewhere. Up to us to find it. Tho i do confess a previous personal temptation otherwise. Ridicule and humour are the best answer. I feel that our approaching presidential elections in france are going to be "interesting". As with you Americans, we have bugger-all "choice". But we have a long tradition of the "street" changing policy. Maybe , at certain times, THEY are more scared of us than WE are of them …
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Scorp 30jan 1046pm We frogs find chirac dishonest too. BUT Forever happy he no send frogtroops to breath DU in Iraq with lucky patriotic southern americas guys who might get posthumous citizenship. Real American great deal! But still, and always, you miss the point. Not chirac fault you go. YOU WENT. UNDERLINED . Now big fuckup; no fault of devious crooked Someone Else. Liberal Disagree profundly on your five years of static wages. seemes to me that proof available that it is more like 25 YEARS. Anyones disagree that the rich getting MUCH richer and the poor,..... you know what ? …
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This from december2005 "The law lords' judgment was so damning of the anti-terror legislation that one of the panel, Lord Hoffman, went as far as saying: "The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws like these." " I watched a few 24's before giving away my TV. Here in frogland the media MSM is almost as bad as yours. (Almost , because we don't have tvpeople calling for assassination of chavez for example. Is that man an American …
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WILEY I know that the quality of education is in free-fall, BUT ! it seems we have a new contender for NATIONAL CLOWN February 8, 2006 -- A Department of Justice prosecutor emphatically told this editor that the leadership of the Justice Department is incredibly "stupid." His statement was in response to this editor's contention that criminal conspiracy appeared rife within the Justice Department and FBI. However, one statement in Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's February 6 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee supports the Justice Department prosecutor's contention about rampant stupidity within DOJ. Gonzales testified that "President Washington, President Lincoln, President …
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Try again for fun Just a little light relief, maybe he corrected himself straight away, thats de prob with excerpts. Either way, he has long since proved what sort of man he is. Also findable by a site-search on original link --Alberto;george washington loves electronics too it was the monday funnies, so had dropped off the screen. Back to the subject and serious business. I found the transcript for the film "Power of Nightmares". Good background and analysis, well worth a watch or read.
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Wiley chirac nuke speech mystified many of us here ! He's getting on a bit, and apparently recently starting to misspeak. Rather worrying when he starts to sound like Bush. One contrast with some others you know well is that he did go to Algeria (in1956) as a platoon commander, when he could easily have got a cushy posting .
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Brian28 Good Luck,! HELL, doesn't everyone know he lied by now ? But, if he Nixons, don't you get Cheney ? SLIMY GONZO
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crasher There is NO "ample evidence of the murderous intentions of large sections of islamic society". That is all in your head. There is no such simple thing as "islamic society", at least not as you portray it. Hundreds of millions of people in many different countries have varied interpretations and practice of their religion, just like Lutherans and Catholics who are all christians ? Most of them just get on with their lives, whether in morocco or turkey or indonesia or wherever. Friends just back from three months in morocco made friends with desperately poor peasant farmers , who were …
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crasher American counter-terrorism tactics are similar to those used by the french army in algeria, the german army in occupied france, the british army during the maumau revolt in kenya, the chilean army under PINOCHET. ALL USED TORTURE. All have been condemned by international public opinion. Pinochet is on trial. I repeat== HITLER'S 911 WAS THE REICHSTAG FIRE, AFTER WHICH HE PASSED HIS" PATRIOT ACT". DUH ? No mention by me of pogroms OR socialism.
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crasher a few anti-western demonstrations and a fatwah by some mullah or other are now your excuse for torture ? In europe we don't easily get frightened by silly shit like that. Down the years we have had our share of real terrorism. But of course there is every reason for muslims in general to fear and hate your Empire, and its poodles. On a lighter note THIS IS MY FAVOURITE ! This only goes to show that hysteria is not confined just to the US.
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crasher ever noticed how jack bauer only ever tortures the guilty ? Those guys in GITMO are dedicated to kiilling all americans, half of them caught far away in Pakistan, but we got 'em ! They are so powerful, and dangerous, that they have subverted our very own JAG. Can you imagine that some of us, our finest military legal brains, could catch that infection ? But this is true, dear crash. Shame, everlasting shame on those so-called officers, their children and grandchildren, for not participating in show-trials. So, old crash, its up to you. You've just gotta be more than …
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shandy you surprisd me, thought this thread was dead ! To me 24Hours is "bad fiction". As posted above, Jack only ever tortures the "baddies", thus leaving the viewer with the revealed truth that torture works, civilisation is saved until we get to the next torture-session instalment, that is. Whether this programming is inspired by a conscious plan to habituate americans to the idea that torture "works" and is necessary, I know not. Given the climate of Fear, it sells, and makes money ! Vladimir Bukowsky was tortured in Russia. Google his thoughts from that angle.
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Scorp cannot see that a silly soap opera reflects the interior poltical reality that soaps perform a valuable function in conditioning the People to accept inhuman practices .
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wiley found some good maps at http://www.firstpr.com.au/nations/ This week Mr Wiseman's settlement was being guarded by a group of Israeli soldiers. Lounging off duty in an abandoned settler caravan, the soldiers talked about hair-raising patrols through hostile Arab villages, with bullets pinging off their armoured jeeps. They did not care much for their mission. "Some day there has to be a peace deal and all these settlements are going to have to come down," one said. "Frankly, what we are doing here is useless. We shouldn't be here, and neither should they." So much for some Israeli soldiers' view of the …
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Well-researched Cabbie !! The Israeli criminal financial elite is doing the same thing at home, squeezing wages, workers rights of the poorer Sephardic immigrants, creating their own underclass. The Knesset is as, even more ?, corrupt than the US congress, and many Israelis are well aware of it. The PA even had an investment in a casino operation, partnered with connections of our mate, Abramoff. I get BBCradio, just across the sea, and will go mad if I once more hear the unspeakable Jack Straw saying Hamas must """renounce violence""" ! Good counterblast from Jonathan Steele in today's Guardian, http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,5384948-103390,00.html Others …
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Sad that so few articles are map-less ! So easy to ask people to look at the 'pink splodges' purported to be the "Palestinian State". Did anyone else hear GWB speak about a "Palestinian State with a contiguous frontier " ? Although he misspoke, the meaning was clear.
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The third world increasingly trapped I agree, and we occidentals are rapidly joining them. Very little to do with the isms, just concentration of power and wealth.
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Yes. The Taliban are lightyears away from us, even if they also tried to warn us about 911. Correct me please --- the Texas Oil Mob were negotiating with them for the pipeline, but that collapsed? Was it just a question of money, percentages? Is it just another coincidence , like Kosovo, Columbia, that the intervention of the US Army now sees an exponential rise in drug-trafficking ?
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MAJORMAJOR So you switched off your alliteration-generator, and the humin animal popped out! Nice to see ya. And the price of street-heroin is zooming down in the UK. Hmm. Hmmm. To get back to the thread. I must confess that I wish Sharon to live long enough to see him go down Pinochet Street. Along with Henry, Tony, Jack and the two Georges. Jacques we frogs will look after, but some forgiveness for not sending our soldats into your quagmires. On our frognews , just as bad as your BBC/CNN,, the wardrums are a little muted now. Talk is cheap and …
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i forget to insert EVEN. " EVEN the britgov opposed to Roundup spraying of people and their animals and veggies and kiddies in impoverished Afghanistan." majormajor; old chap, are you acquainted with that other military man, smedley butler USMC ? Rabbit is in good company with his analyses, as are many of us , but I fail to see an ' ideological angle' to our posts . Without going as far as the Illuminati, we are certainly seeing the rise and rise of a Worldwide Criminal Overclass. Cabbie calls them Transnational Capitalists, but whatever the label, we agree that they abhor …
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Agreed Rabbit. I looked into the supporting """evidence""" in the article which started this thread. The PRA site no longer links to their chip berlet review of griffin's book, and his reply. Funny, that. Then found www.oilempire.us/index.html which details fordfoundation support to PRA/berlet , Amy Goodman, and company. There is obviously and understandably a disinclination of these bods to lose their jobs if they dare to investigate 911 seriously. They are allowed to be "radical" on the plight of the Sudanese, etc, but 911 Is No Go.
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Is rabbit to be found at 1963 The Rabbit Hole ? i wonder if you have nongatemindered OZ sites to recommend ? i used to be a netizen at guardian talk, at the time of the clintonblair war on yugoslavia,but its gone down a puerility drain last time I looked. Frog hadda nice googleprowl stalking the PRA. At first glance they looked just like us, research into ex-nazi emigration to the US etc, probably solid research by Russ Bellant, but there they stopped. it seems. Could have gone on to Prescott Bush and his lovely friends... Webster Tarpley looks a star …
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Rabbit, it looked too much like the recent TV demolitions of frog tower blocks of "social housing" to me too, but it took months to come back to, as well, and then it all accelerated. 1963 .... Frog is not a mole, just likes the occasional google,and will also get another hotmail address to avoid hatemail when he croaks truth to innocent sheep ! He assumes GCHQ already have him on file. Frog just heard a trailer for the friday night funny on BBC radio 4. it was done by ossamabinladen, that well known Brit comic, so now pops out in …
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WILEY, you were awake before me. Bin laden, hereafter OBL, was once a very good friend of the CIA, like Saddam who was recruited in 1959. Takes me back to me youth. NOW, maybe he's still an associate, or maybe he's dead from kidney failure. Anyhows, modern technology is with us,and he can still "speak". The six dead/alive hijackers are equally freaking. I really didn't think the cia/fbi were so smart to present them to us so fast. And then there was the magically intact passport for Mohammed Atta, and then the "How To fly a PLANE , (duh!) videos and …
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Wiley, i skimmed the fisk at truthout. He thinks OlB recorded it, then I would guess, SOP would be to go a few 100kms to send it down a telephone line. Security.That's if he's alive, and it was him ! Fisk reckons he's done his job, created al qida, and that's that. My take on this is that it is not an org like GM or IBM, just a loose association of dozens of grouplets, franchisees as it were, who use the name to strike fear, which plays the game of the War on Terror groupies on "our" side. Each little …
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I finally read the full text. At first sight it is "reasonable", recounting well documented US atrocities already in the public domain. ("Limited hangout " is the phrase for that, I think ?) The crucial very small item is the claim that "WE" , Al Qaeda, did 911. Which brings us back to this thread. Thanks for the films of the "fat-nosed, right-handed" , etc, OBL, which prove more and more strongly that whether alive or dead, He is not putting out this stuff. So , aplogies for having gone round in circles, this is just more misdirection to get the …
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm On Voice-morphing.....
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9Garbled garbled garbled wonder WHY 989Politically convenient. The fact that there were NO
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frog is a slow learner and rather stupid. Well, Rabbit and Wiley,and Frog, they are playing a game with the World. The Newsmedia hanging on to OLB , searching around, all very suspenseful, while other stuff more important is sidelined. The REAL STORY , is that the US Senate, AND the House of Reps' are either BOUGHT or BLACKMAILED. 90%. Alors, mon cher Wiley, is that so , or should I drown myself some more in my hard cider ? After that, mes amis, MAYBE the 7/7 job in London was set up. I don't know. The "exercise" had no bearing …
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Thanks for reminders on 7/7. Will look again at london 'exercises'. It was my 5%gullibility and mental sloth kicking in, so blathered. So why did the FAA manager destroy the tape of the 6ATC's , apparently because he promised a union organiser he'd do so ? Anyone know more ? Weird that a useful doc done shortly after was destroyed, and no action taken against that manager. I thought the Actor had done away with that Union Trash. Rabbit will do as he chooses, but froggie is not asking him to go see mrs V around the corner. Rabbit knows why. …
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***** pressed "PREVIEW" and all went
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So I start again but more concisely.%%%%! and BU^^er! On file somewhere is a story of guys finding blackboxes. Told to keep quiet by FBI, ?, relpied "give me one good reason". Sounds true. NOW. In a normal healthy Open society, things would be as you describe. In a very delicate police investigation, anywhere, cops may ask one to keep quiet for good reason. To be explained, even. Commonsense; But a state where everyone is told to hush up about everything, can only be described one way. Police State. We notice with Fitz and others, they haven't silenced all the judges/ …
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If you can find it, a treasure is "THE WASHINGTON PAYOFF" dell1972 by robert n Winter-Berger. about buying judges, Presidents, reps, senators, serving Mafia contacts, all that routine stuff, wot. Some unfunny quotes found at http://www.spiritcaller.net/quotes/conspiracy.htm "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - F.D.R. "...don't ever, ever use the word conspiracy if you expect applause, for that is when the wrath of Liberaldom will be unleashed against you. We are not disallowed from believing in all types of conspiracy, just modern political conspiracy.... Conspiracy to seize the power of government …
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Technorabbit, thanks for yesterday's "Bang Bang Bang " Firemens' Oral History. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192 (checking mycutandpaste---I guess it'd take a while to explain for dummies how to do clickable links ? ) Wiles was complaining about lack of recordings , and OUT they came from the woodwork., last october. So the NYT and others finally extracted them from CityHall, so maybe Freedom Moles in NYT ..............? Net-hopping around, now obvious that DHS and FEMA are being prepared solely for internal repression, and I too have seen evidence on concentration camps. FEMA's disregard of the original remit , proved by Katrina, is increasingly obvious …
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Thanks lumen, will experiment later, still some daylight here in frogland so must get outside, soon ! In France minds are less concentrated than in the US, and countries that have troops in Iraq/afghanistan, so when I first expressed my "doubts" about a year ago, many friends thought I had gone mad. Such is the power of the media, and of course a natural disinclination to confront the existence of EVIL. NOW I would look them straight in the eyes and ask how many hours have you spent researching it ? What's the 411 on 9/11?
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Link Link Ugh.OINK. Off to dig some carrots and get a pack'o bacccy.
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Thought I'd stuffed it, but O how Wondrous.
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Thanks rabbit and lumens. Will experiment onwards. Being a dumbdumb;I still await final proof that the creation of an iranian Euro-petroeuro was really the decisive factor. For that Invasion and the forthcoming Iranian Strikes. "Strikes on Iran". Having once upon a time being myself a small cog in those markets, why not 'accept a dollar - price, and then immediately do a "swap" for future Euros ?
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A Rare Froggy Alternative Newssite testing my new sexy electrons canuck. Screaming again at our euro-news. I AM STILL WAITING FOR THE JOURNO who interviews the britgov, frenchgov, germangov, Minister or other likudnik source, who will say .-- """Minister, before you open your mouth. Do you have anything to say Apart From the RITUAL DEMAND that , blablablablablabla, Hamas recognise Israel and "Renounce Violence" ?"" If not, fuck off .
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Natty all you had to do was google. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
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that links to the DT a Hollinger rag, even ! telegraph
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Natty, Thanks for pushing me to go through me files. I re-read this for the first time in years. Account by Brian Clark, Eurobrokers WTC2. Extract;: "Now, Ronnie, who I told you had gone up to the 91st floor and later told me he panicked and went down, when he exited the building it was at the very time when Tower Two was starting to fall. So the moment I was watching the building from Trinity Church was exactly the moment he was coming out of the same place I did, and he was caught in an explosion. He heard the …
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Natty, You ARE having a good day! Thanks so much for the intro to the ADL www.adl.org, what a bunch of hysterical Zionist Propagandists! Thanks also for the AFP !! What a traitorous bunch they are, indeed. The front page has an article on DU, obviously intended to undermine the morale of "Our Troops". Another supports that EVIL MAN in Venezuela who has extorted a fairer price for Oil from our impoverished oil companies, what swine those journalists are ! DANCING ARABS Hmmm may not work. That art included a ref to archive photies of dancing A-rabs used post 911. …
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David , it just happened. Nuffing to do with me, gov. Bonjour, luminous one! Techno encyclopaedic rabbit, we sure made lotsa bro on them thar USD's. So far markets have been liquid enough to swap in and out of the things, but the day may come.... , We recently saw the Chinese and Canadians diversifying some of their reserves out of the Almighty One. I believe the canucks sold gold for Euros ? Arras is foreign parts to me, I"m near cherbourg. All my farming neighbours of that age were in Algeria. I'm told one will never talk about it, he …
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david the poll at the end of the first link rather silly, i didn't learn anything new, but don't pretend to know everything . Still, a Good Site for beginners to start from !!
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http://marcosolo.journalspace.com/ tried to cutandpaste jebbush quote from this, and failed. Its right at the bottom of page. techno-imbeciles like me abstain , please ?
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Lumen Thankyou for posting the Jeb Bush Quote for me. Would like to find original source, did have it, then not filed . Help ? Read, And re-read, all of you. Like the WhiteHouse NEOCON who said "WE MAKE REALITY", the clock is ticking. We are in a race. Wiley Note how Natty reposts her original question, without reading "telegraph, BBC". Even tho telegraph is Hollinger, still lotsa good stuff in it. I found the 500+ Firemen's Oral Histories for FREE in the NYT on a click above here. Your eionews link is good. But please don't post too many links …
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WILEY, I misspoke a bit. Too. NATTY Give us a link to that Loizeaux Interview. IF you are consistent you must allow us to judge on the owner of the paper in question. Unlike your goodself we marxist revolutionary morons love, really LOVE, to seriously examine anything which may challenge our preconceptions. i must confess i thoroughly enjoy your shotgun approach to all this .
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BIZNESS AS USUAL NATTY checking me electronic prowess-- pride before the inevitable...
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NATTY BTW I"m also a """REVISIONIST""", even a """HOLOCAUST REVISIONIST""". Why on earth have History Departments in Universities if they ain't REVISING somefing or other ? Eh ? BTW your great authority Monsieur Loizeaux, may not be all that great. News to folow.
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HEY GANGSTERS AND GANGSTERESSES, NETIZENS AND NETIZENNES, Citoyens/Citoyennes, this may be somewhere on my old clunkercomputer, but I haven't found it yet. Ask a friend ? are of frog, "The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You cant deposit the truth in a bank. You cant buy groceries with the truth. You cant pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested …
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must be "dilapidated " early schooling strikes back.
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That Henry A Wallace not a bad cat at all. Noticed him before, will revisit archives. He had some intello /moral power, totally absent de nos jours. Fuckitslaterthanithoughtmustzonkthebloodysunwillbeupinacoupleofhours; Pistolero, must GO! ps almartinraw another coolcat , why hasn't he been siucided,? some good recipe somewhere.............and godbless him.
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NITTY NATTY Oh and Ronnie DiFrancesdo of Eurobrokers who initially went UP to 91 from the 84th floor of WTC2, and then decided to get out. He walked carefully down thru the RAGING INFERNO , and only met a mysterious "FIREBALL " going out at the moment of demolition. Real burns, real explosion., but not for you ? Average people of average intelligence haven't been tingling all over and saying WOW what a great story , when yet another weird story breaks. Average people have on average an average tendency to suspend disbelief, to stick their average heads in the sand. …
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pete, and others! At first sight off at a tangent, found this guy on public education, the page opened almost incidental. One can read the book online, very civilised. John Taylor Gatto Part of a wandering ongoing reflexion
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Rupert the Dirty Digger, as PrivateEye baptised him so long ago. Before the net it was required reading in the City for exposing scandals. Good Wiki article, thanks. Footnotes 2&3 too. 1.4 Bn profit in 10 years, no UK Tax paid. That dude owns a number of governments, too . Tony Blair has to square policies with him first, tabloid media rules...
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Wiley, sorta guessed you would be 'there' already. You were definitely thought of in "others"! Just found Gatto, will read later. The dumbing down of edu systems to produce just bored consuming cogs goes with the rest, media etc. One of my kids teaches in car-burning Zone just outside Paris, but she's an exceptional one, loves the kids but strong. Has to be. I'll send her the link too ! Well, we certainly live in mind-stretching times, meet a lotta bright and genuine people . Thankyou Tim Berners-Lee for inventing this, and for not being a money- and power-grubbing bastard. """ …
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Pete, we work around and around, but not in useless circles, I pray ! We spend a lotta time reminding our individual selves of the iniquities of those we oppose. Well the human being usually takes time to get off its arse, so we surely spend too much time 'n energy conversing with fellow-believers . Me included. Well, batteries need charging, and convictions need checking. I read a story somewhere about a guy at the car-wash who broached 911 with a fellow-washer. The old guy said "I know", sadly, twice, took the leaflet and went home. Probably I could count on …
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Bonjour lapin, froggy again late to snooze, but he is a masochistically inclined shade-dweller. Just imagine if margaret Jackson CEO of Qantas had been a Lebanese-Aussie. Plastic hand-cuffs ? The GOON SQUAD is an inhuman beast, and growing. And now we have Holocaust Day, as if the Goons only existed THEN. I've decided, god knows how long it will hold, to leave aside the pentagon. Your DNA stuff looks good (by which we mean BAD, natch) so reckon I'm probably being idle. On a lighter OZnote, ten years in April since froggy was up Murchison County way amputating lambstails. Surely a …
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Rabbit, frogsoldiers not there so rather less urgent public interest here. I notice in myself ; expat brit, ex royal artillery, a deeper concern. A sense of shame that MY fucking country is doing things, presenting itself to the world, in such a way. Well, it happened in my time,too, but I wasn't awake then !
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Natty, will pass Spiegel article to our german department. A cursory glance noted two funnies. "The Iran Contra deal fell apart and its key actors were exposed ". Yeah! One of them became the POTUS. The others were pardoned, presidentially. Northwoods etc. " All those supposed conspiracies EXIST but they all failed". Kennedy just died of heartfailure a little later, after refusing Northwoods.
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A quick replay of some Nat in Action. """Frog said: "Give us a link to that Loizeaux Interview. IF you are consistent you must allow us to judge on the owner of the paper in question." NATTY FROM WONDERLAND'S NON- ANSWER === What possible relevance could there be in the source of my quotes? Why should it even matter from where they emanate? (feb3,1227h)""" GRIFFIN FOOTNOTE 20; " Incredibly, after explaining how precisely explosives must be set to ensure that a building comes straight down, Loizeaux said that upon seeing the fires in the Twin Towers, he knew that the towers …
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Wiley, I was going to recommend Helen Caldicott for furver reading on DU when i re-read and saw your first quote was from her !! I have her first book , 1979 , and she hasn't stopped since. "Nil illegitimis carborundum" -- dog latin for " Don't let the bastards grind you down" ! Of course this stuff will, momentarily, but only that. Ditzy-nervous-sad- morbidity happens to most of us from time to time. A small google led me to stuff on various Nato ministries of defence getting uptight on "their" groundtroops being affected by DU after that set-up invasion of …
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NAT the recidivist non - answerer. Asked you a simple polite question twice. Your non-answer to me seems to be that since all sources of information are unreliable, none should be sourced unless YOU, in your wisdom should choose so to demand. I'd love to know which demo experts thought that the WTC collapses didn't resemble demolitions. Hadn't come across that angle before, anywhere. Looked pretty neat from here. Reckon you may be right on the "removal" angle. If griffin is wrong on that, it is a very small part of what he wrote. Your last para . Did CDI not …
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My favourite of the "Muhammed cartoons" is STOP, STOP, We"ve run out of virgins.
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frog was a misnomer nom de guerre to catch hardass froghating yanks of the nuke-em-all variety ; failed here ! Globalised deepfrozen froglegs from China now in supermarkets here, but I only tried them a bit 25yrs ago, not a staple. rabbit I'm reading John taylor Gatto with delight !! (wiley knows already) I remember my shudders before sending my kids to skool, knowing that their creativity was going to be stunted by that prisonfarmfactory ; My then frogwife thought I was a bit nuts. Luckily palliative actions at home, such as no TV and books and bikes and trees and …
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Natty and Rabbit Thankyou both for your links. i enjoyed Nat's one to 911myths 911MYTHS ""Next, look at an opposing site to see if I've covered the key points being made. You might read a page here saying there's no proof a particular hijacker is alive, for instance, and it may look convincing, but am I missing some key piece of evidence you'll find elsewhere? Do a quick Google to see exactly what the conspiracy sites are saying, and make sure I'm addressing whatever points they present."" I share this approach. The occasional mild insult to liven things up, but …
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Getting tired of Natty/rabbit infighting. She has occasionally some good points worth pursuing. He may well be right on manythings, but it is still earlydays, and I like to treat my friends arguments with my usual scepticism. The recent cheney mishap has generated YARDS of perception, and bullshit. And with a relatively simple thing like that, WE KNOW NOTHING ! LIHOP/MIHOP, I dunno anymore ! BUT I do know some things with certainty. Iran/Contra, October Surprise, Presidential pardons for criminals--Bush&Clinton, Abramoff and his hundred cohorts,Haliburton -- GAWDHELPUS ! Without torturing ourselves on 911, 1000 good reasons to string some mothers up …
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AND YES ! We have our very own ABB problem here. We all hate Sarkozy, so its ABS here, but we too have no alternative. Anti-Bush, anti-Sarkozy, but nothing to compete with the horrible little mother. So yeah, really great to live in a "Democracy". As I tell my frogfriends, 1789 was not really a Revolution, about time YOU had one. Same for you yanks. There must be many millions of you more qualified to be PRESIDENT than the little turd in place;
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"Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long." ~ Congressman Ron Paul, Aug 9, 2004
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bonjour lapin! In my netwanderings over years, come across many cases of suspicious "planecrashes", often with surprising numbers of "FBI" surprisingly fast on the scene to cordon off and cart away the evidence. The Muwakkil argument is that GWBCo "pathologically secretive" far too weak. . Sibel edmonds case concords with stacks of other evidence that the Crime syndicate IS running the USA , ++++. . Waynemadsen today highlights lack of security at nuke plants and depots, which I'd seen some time ago, too. Makes yer wonder if They are really "human" ! Mostly agree with you on 911. Pity that some …
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rabbit, dave from canada, I watched this video, but did not manage to save it, being a technoidiot . The scholars for truth site is taking off, I recommend video from 911revisited. RICK SIEGEL film , 911eyewitness
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rabbit "crossparty fuckfest". I was actually refering to the very interesting POSSIBLE new alliance of disparate viewpoints in the US. AND elsewhere. EVERYWHERE ? I was once called a "real" anarchist myself , by a friend who had been hunted by the secret police of his country. In Europe. Very thought-provoking your posts of 18feb ! I have no ideal PLAN for an ideal society either, I just hate the abuse of power, the very idea of "power" itself. From the beginning I suspected demolition. It took me months to accept it at 50% probablity. Another 2 years to get to …
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Dear rabbit, I hovered between a perception of Natty as a paid Shill, and the alternative of being a misguided Believer in all Bushworld lies. Her 'automatic defence' against the DU evidence leads towards the first interpretation. Her feb23 post " I do HOPE you are correct ,however" is very very amusing," to us". SHE hoped that OLB was dead in 2001! SO What explains the subsequent OLB videos & tapes ? EACH of them came at a usefuful moment for CHENEY&CO. Rabbit, dave and i know well these were a very small part of their propaganda offensive.
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Frog is a slower learner but pretty sure. He watches patiently unmoving, and then can turn into a feline and pounce. Fooled somepeople in his time , who couldn't believe in this transformational ability. Similar to the 'cornered rabbit' . It takes him a lot of time to unlearn the deeply instilled lessons from a lifetime of exposure to halftruth and outright lies. He does this he supposes for some loony love of truth, some crazy optimistic knowledge that there are far more potentially goodpeople on this planet than there are downright evil ones. Also because he wanted to help his …
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Frog now takes some time-out to send some links to his loved ones. Funny how a term so well satyrised by nancy mitford ? is now part of the language. He thought it was about time he shared his 911 thoughts with them. May seem very late to some of you, but he wanted to be sure of what to say, what to send. Here in frogland we are bombarded with Propaganda, 'immediate panic-stuff ' about Iran Menace for 4months now. But there is a groundswell of Disbelief which originated last year during the campaign for the European Constitution. For the …
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vanunu in OZ made me think of rabbit. Frog was following a mossadlink inspired by cartoon thread to victor ostrovsky, and ended up downunder.
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Bonjour rabbit; you may remember frog "thinking " discretion in widowvisiting round the corner. He looked to see recent sightings of ari ben but none. frog waits patiently. victor ostrovsky looks genuine, ari ben much more complicated ! From early 70's ulster-watching frog noticed how swiftly the political and criminal become entwined, with the latter coming to dominate. Things coming together, and wow ! Frog remembers 40yrs back when we soldiers were invited to participate in innocuous medical experiments -- "operation antler, porton down" Frog remembers how 25yrs back a chance meeting at a cocktailparty led him to do some minor …
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P&T was funny and well done for a hit-piece, but agree full of holes. the serious videos have occasional holes too, but their questions still unanswered;
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nyvegan If you or I had anything to do with a genuine pentagon strike, government-side, we'd have produced bucketfuls of labelled titanium blades, and all the rest of the evidence, and said ---- there you are ! The incredible Condoleeeeeza said "noone would have imagined"etc. thats no slip of the tongue, but an outright lie, a firing offence.
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Condi lied. "noone would have imagined....." and then instructions went out to tear off the covers of the FEMA etc manuals -- scope-sights on WTCs on front covers.
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.. NATTY WROTE ---including “Northwoods” in LC unwittingly makes the case that America does not go around carelessly engaging in deceptive murderous schemes, even if they might have thought about it, and even if it might have actually been well advised in this case.
This 'unwittingly makes' no case whatsoever ! My cat left a bit of mouse in front of the door. She ate one mouse. This unwittingly makes the case that she does not regularly do so ! One Plan rejected by the White House now proves that similar plans have not been approved and executed ? Similar Plans …Posted to What's the 411 on 9/11?
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NATTY On page 20 Dan Fahey recounts how he proved that the DOD were lying, his words, , from their own sources. In 2006 they are still at it. stars and stripes diane stearns northern arizona university Fahey also admits that "comprehensive studies of exposed veterans and civilians do not appear likely to take place". If you don't "look".........................., you won't fucking "find" ! ! Natty, your 'numerous studies' have not yet included one that is approaching conclusive or even a serious attempt, epidemiologically, because that would take money and time, which have not been allocated. John Pilger, the …
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Natty always amusing to see you in "sweet reasonable" mode . In another age you would have been debating how many angels could have danced on the head of a pin, or calling for someone to be burned at the stake, but now we have you as an arch-defender of the US DoD and the mad murderer GWB. "Diligent investigation" my arse . The DoD ain't even thinking eventually one day perhaps ever going to do any of that. You admit that multiple vaccinations may have had something to do with subsequent problems, therefore not DU-caused, but fail to draw the …
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Hello Rabbit I noticed the very first Nattypost was answered by jsalsman, 27aug05, with a ref to DNA changes. That first post showed the Bat to be a lover of DDT, GMO's, and Pesticides in general, and an enemy of the same scare-mongering unscientific kooky fringe who pointed out years ago that coaldust killed miners, and asbestos killed shipbuilders. . Natty as War-Lover ----
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Dear Nyvegan, Your cursory glance at this discussion leads you to talk about small minds and incite us to elevate ourselves to "greatness". Somewhat condescending as an introduction of your goodself, but do not worry, we welcome serious allies. Ideas are nothing without events and people . DISCUSS ! The stalwarts of this thread are wiley, rabbit, dave in canada, luminous beauty, and the Mighty Natalie who is a worthy partner and stimulant , becaus 'she' is an ardent supporter of the use of DU in weaponry, collaterally of GMOs and pesticides in agriculture, and naturally a believer in the Bush …
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nyvegan How could I forget you? There is a new film "Fast Food Nation" to complement the brilliant book by Eric Schlosser. Your point about the importance of getting through to the other 299million is well taken. Tho I doubt they could all get onto any thread ! I see our job as defining limited objectives, such as reasoning hard with individuals who have enough honesty to read the links provided, and then each gets on with life spreading the word around them, for example. Another aim is to attempt to sort the good info from the bullshit, and then share. …
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lazy frog paused to open a last site before putting ute and arse into gear and found this review of CONDI BOOK.via an article here i'd often wondered what the media-hyped "great intellectual's" reputation was based on, (her words have never betrayed any great ability or insight), the answer is---- nowt. No surprise, but another little piece of ammo, another detail for the big picture.... PS nyvegan-- took me a while to get the html right, but I got there !
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witch. i read it too, there are zillions of tons of DU about, the frogs have 12000, and they are small even minute owners. Being also a lousy librarian; some munitions makers are getting out of it, so back to conventionals. if you hear that inhaling tungsten particles is also horrible, you saw it here first !
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WITCH I was , like you know, errrrr, ummmmm, ....joking, and being like wot I said before a lousy librarian, have lost the sauce, but somewhere there is a 'relevant' article on the danger of inhaling microparticles of tungsten. And so I thought I might just get in a microsecond before the Radioactive Bat, for fun .
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nyvegan thanks for the book, and also "Whiteout: the CIA, drugs and the press" by the same man.. I read the amazon reviews, and was pleased to see he appears optimistic-- an attitude i share. Good stuff, lots to do ... I eat ''real' free-range a few times a year, not yet maybe never a complete veggie, but cutting down on meat. rabbit thanks for ICH link, good work . The Bat is recharging, will be back soon. Dan IS a scholar , no need to enrol, already there !
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On the Rat Bastards theme, and highly relevant to this topic, i heard this on the BBC last night. ronald maddison bbcnews--relatives of serviceman killed by UK govt scientists in 1953 finally compensated ! Also sent it to the Downing Street Memos man, who like me , remembers being propositioned for the same sort of experimentation.
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Wiley Indiscriminat abuse ? Water off a duck's back is maybe a better response than getting worked up about it ? As you say, very many foreign govts are to some degree complicit with the bush admin, so i just suggest to them that they do something at home rather than shooting their mouths off at "Amerika" . "Activist Circles" are usually pretty ineffective, and can be counter-productive, I agree. The next step on that one is obvious ?
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NATTY, welcome back, Last bit first-- Your first witness for the safety of DDT and GMO's ( and nucular power) is a flack the Eco-Judas Dr Patrick Moore. Your second witness, the site www. junkscience.com is another flack -shop for big business. Stephen J Milloyruns it. Another article on Milloy and similar gave up this ltlle gem ----
In February 2000, Avery was the featured expert for an ABC "20/20" story by television reporter John Stossel which speculated that "buying organic could kill you." Stossel's piece made no mention of Avery's affiliation with the Hudson Institute, let alone …
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From a piece by stickdog. An excerpt--
The "9/11 Changes Everything" mantra has been successfully used to justify: 1) an insane invasion and occupation, 2) an Orwellian state of neverending warfare, 3) an all-out assault on our Bill of Rights and our Constitutional separation, balance and oversight of powers, 4) rampant and bald faced war profiteering and a huge increase in dubious mil/intel/security expenditures, 5) an insane doctrine of military pre-emption, 6) torture and rendition, 7) a culture of authoritarian secrecy, 8) the persecution of political dissent, 9) enraging the Muslim world and alienating the rest of the world, 10) etc., …
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Hello Lapin and Wiley ! NATTY'S LAST LINK is in fact to Scholars for Truth, where I follwed on to a review article Encouraging. I'm with Wiley on not getting mesmerised by EVIL More on that at the ranch/chalet, where you will point me to the BIG thread please. NATTY That was no attack on Milloy, it was exposure of scum. . The following is from a review of Rachel Carson's last book 'Sense of Wonder'
In a very personal and lyrical remembrance, Rachel Carson shares her vision of the natural world and the wonder it inspires. "A …
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STRAW MEN AND DEAD HORSES RISE UP FROM THEIR GRAVES, GET FLOGGED . SPA IS CALLED.
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Hello LUMENS , been looking all over for my old copy of The Pesticide Conspiracy, published 1978 . The author Robert Van Den Bosch died shortly afterwards.
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Chapter 12 of the book No need for me to draw conclusions, underline the obvious. Just wanted to introduce him to those of you who have not yet met him. Spending a little time with this man, or Rachel Carson, both departed, is a delight . Both recognised the usefulness of chemical means as part of the effort to solve urgent problems, both warned of over-use, abuse.
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WILEY Farmworkers "dipping" sheep. I did this in me school holidays from 1963-5, nobody knew about organophosphorous poisoning . Well, more precisely, WE didn't ! The government finally recognised the problem 30years later. I have a feeling that the scandal of blackbox voting will take rather less long to be exposed . Over to you !
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Kucini looked honest till we started thinking. Is he just thick or 'just' one of them ? Diebold Voting and voting exclusion and the financing of campaigns are the places to start. Without those the next elections are going to be as much crap as the last ones. Pistol make sure your state doesn't change it. START your NO campaign before they start their's ? And then extend it to redress the rest of the Republic.
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