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Wow. I've got some reading to do. Thanks, GR. PS: Ya, I see what you're on about with using TinyURL here. Gad, what a pain though.

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Whew, just coming out of a profoundly dreamy codeine coma... Anyway, Wiley, did you mean the quote ending with "... all of us experienced air traffic controllers—that it was a military plane"? If so, that's from “Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor Joins 9/11 Fight, Saying the Truth Must Be Uncovered”, 2005.Dec.16, at ArcticBeacon, http://tinyurl.com/9kz3b, which is a review of Fetzer's paper which is available as a WinWord draft, Dec.15, from his site, http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/.

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Dear Natalie, Your reputation proceeds you -- well. Thanks for pointing out a grave mistake i'd made. In my last long post above i actually chose to omit reference to 9/11 Myth's page you justly lauded, the Omissions and Distortions (of Griffin's 2004 year-end book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions). I'd passed ITT's 4,000-character post limit and had to cut something. I chose to cut that one because a skim of it showed it only covers two (classes?) of the O/Ds Griffin discusses in this book and elsewhere: 01. whether the some of the 9/11 executive …

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That confessed and clarified, i want to say that, so far, i also have not seen any significant evidence directly implicating the Bush Admin, US security services or anyone else of an "inside job". I do, however, find that the evidence i've seen so far, along with other acts of the US government over the last several decades, does incite a very strong suspicion in me that it could well have been an inside job and the 9/11 Commission was a cover-up. Given what little i've read so far as an admitted neophyte in this controversy, this …

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Editing fork-ups as usual: "Just as the press should not wait for the completion of either government or peer reviews of dangerous medicines or scientific deceptions before reporting concerns, even from anonymous source, about their potential harm, an effective responsible press cannot wait for legally sufficient evidence before reporting reports of dangerous wrongdoings by the current Admin, even if those reports." -- should read -- Just as the press should not wait for the completion of either government or peer reviews of dangerous medicines or scientific deceptions before reporting concerns (even from anonymous sources) about their potential harm, an effective responsible …

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OK, that's it. David, et al, there's a big difference between knowing HTML and what bits of HTML can be plugged into ITT's web-form interface and how. Take a look at the front page and/or source code of http://h0lug.sourceforge.net. That was all coded from scratch, by hand, via What's the 411 on 9/11?

is that a foot in my mouth? forgot a quotation mark. gad, what a pain...

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Anybody here a Cabinet Secretary of the US Administration, a US Military Officer with a Rank of Brigadier General or a higher, present or a former Director of the FBI, CIA or NSA, or a US Senator or Congressional Leader? If so, you're eligible to win US$50,000,000 for any 9/11 Conspiracy Proof you might have!!! How so? December 7, 2005 WhatDoesItMean.Com today announces that we are offering a reward of $50,000,000.00 (fifty-million dollars) to any present or former United States Government Public or Military Official having direct knowledge and verifiable proof that the events of September 11, 2001 were not caused …

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LB, one thing Griffin points out: the WTC's infrastructure included 47 massive steel pylons or towers or something like that. And according to 3rd party "expert" info, those would have been pretty danged hard to take down with anything less than purpose-built blasts at their bases.

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BUT, i am neither a physicist nor an engineer...

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Encouraging, if not convincing: Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 142201 responses Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial. 85% No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors." 5% No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching. 8% I don't know. 2% Not a scientifically valid survey

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Oops. Here's the link: MSN Live Vote: Should Bush be Impeached?

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Interestingly, 361 votes were added between my first post on this survey and this one -- excluding my second vote. That's about 36 votes per minute.

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Other interesting aspects of the MSN poll: * it's MSNBC, not CounterPunch, VillageVoice, etc; it's mainstream * it's not easy to find from either the MSNBC front page or the Politics section under which appears * 545 votes in 45 minutes or 12 votes a minute at AD.2005.Dec.24.20:40.ICT Hope this makes for a Merrier Xmas for y'all -- it does for me.

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Oh, and it's still 85% for impeachment.

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Thanks Marty. That's one reference i couldn't get to because their hosting service is blocked by Vietnam's firewalls. (I had to go to an overseas BSD shell account to download it.) There are also several other references, some more recent from Griffin in this extended discussion, above. Also, just wondering: did you notice Muwakkil concludes his article arguing against Griffin's credibility

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I've given a mis-reference on 9/11 and the mainstream media that i'd like to correct. I concluded a post above (AD Marshall on Dec 23, 2005 at 11:17 AM) with the question "So why is it that precious few folks, especially US folks, are not even aware of the 9/11 Truth Movement or its highly visible, widespread reports and the mainstream media continues to provide precious little coverage?" I referred to a lecture by Dr DR Griffin on the issue, 9/11 and the Mainstream Press, as a potential source for answers. But that lecture actually does little more than list instances …

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My Xmas gift to ITT and y'all: AD.2005.Dec.25.01:01.ICT - Of 144,682 votes at MSN, 85% (still) want Bush impeached (an average 7.8 votes per minute since 19:55.ICT). Nitol(tm)

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Then again, Google's 2005 Year-end Zeitgeist probably also goes a long way to explaining how the mass media and masses could be so uninformative and ill-informed: Google.com - Top Gainers of 2005 1. Myspace 2. Ares 3. Baidu 4. wikipedia 5. orkut 6. iTunes 7. Sky News 8. World of Warcraft 9. Green Day 10. Leonardo da Vinci Google News - Top Searches in 2005 1. Janet Jackson 2. Hurricane Katrina 3. tsunami 4. xbox 360 5. Brad Pitt 6. Michael Jackson 7. American Idol 8. Britney Spears 9. Angelina Jolie 10. Harry Potter

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Hey, hey, hey! There's the ticket, folks! 9/11 TYPHOON TSUNAMI TRUTH D.C. An anti-conspiratorial musical spectacular starring Brad Pitt and Angela Jolie in a Potteresque portrayal of God's mercurial surfers as they ride the pipelines of a typhoon-powered tsunami to deliver the Truth of 9/11 onto Capital Hill, boogy-woogyin' all the way to the beat of Janet and Jacko, feat Britney Spears!!! Shooka-shooka do-wop dee-wop... Miss it at your peril. An What's the 411 on 9/11?

forkin quotes...

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something busyin you folks? mighty quiet here. watch the stress, ladies and gent's. it's only xmas after all....

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I did what was probably the wise thing and went to bed. Thanks for the notes, David, Wiley. Sounds healthy and nice. Here, the Xmas celebrations peak on the Eve with hoards of young folks crusing the streets on motorbikes. (VietNam is 80% under 40 years of age.) Wiley, the only number that's changed on the MSN poll since my first post has been the total votes. It may well be the MSN polling system is busted. But you're probably right, David, about it being justly vacant here for a couples days. And it may well make sense to pack this …

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Hmm, just checked out alltheweb.com on "9-11 wtc". It did indeed provide a good set of alternate initial hits compared to Google. I'll have to try both for while. Thx, Wiley.

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Barron’s: Congress Should Consider Impeacment…, THOMAS G. DONLAN | December 24, 2005 at 11:33 AM. Is the ground swelling?

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Welcome back Natalie. Glad you didn't let one animal's excesses put you off. It's also awfully big of you to make such a post. Though have to admit i've yet to clearly understand the details of NORAD's role in the affair, i do remember reading somewhere something to the effect that the US (if not North Am') radar and air-traffic systems were distracted on 9/11 by a pre-planned war game and that Cheney (or Rumsfield, always mix them up) was presiding over the games. The games were actually said to be simulating planes being hijacked and used to hit buildings. And …

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Boxing Day Rhubarb? David in Canadada, et al, what do you think? Are Canux like Zwicker OTT or still in the pale? rhubarb, def'n 3, argument; OTT, over the top; pale, def'n 1.3+, range of acceptable acts. In America: The Fourth Reich, Global Outlook, Issue No. 6, Winter 2004, Barry Zwicker compares the Hitler and Bush Admins against the Collins English Dictionary's 6 attributes defining fascism, plus 2. The comparison, as you might expect, is not flattering. Full yarn: http://www.newsgateway.ca/America_The_Fourth_Reich.htm AD.2005.Dec.25.20:33:45.ICT

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PS: This Canuk goes for "still in the pale" and ringing eerily true.

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"Not a scientifically valid survey" -- not even an intuitively valid one. The voting shares haven't changed, even once, since my first post on this survey. From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904: Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 150110 responses Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial. 85% No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors." 5% No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching. 8% I don't know. 2% AD.2005.Dec.25.20:48:45.ICT …

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I'll leave y'all to feud away. Have fun.

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No, i'll leave y'all with a final reference i just discovered. The Five Unanswered Questions About 9/11 James Ridgeway, 2005.Sep, Seven Stories Press Description (from link above): The 9/11 Commission Report is widely declared to be the definitive account of the most devastating attack ever to take place on American soil, but in truth the most vital questions about 9/11 have not been asked: *Why wasn't a decade of warnings and hundreds of previous deaths enough to improve airline security? Whose interests does the FAA really protect? *Why was Dick Cheney running the country from a secret bunker on 9/11? …

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Thanks Natalie. If time permits, i'll check out those links. For now, i'm putting ITT discussions on the back-burner, largely because of the feuding apparently inherited from earlier threads. That said, i'll still watch out for constructive stories and posts.

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Natalie, Did you already provide some examples of "the opinions of hundreds of structural engineers, civil engineers, I’m sure the overwhelming majority of even physicists, metallurgists, materials experts and even fire engineers" independent of the 9/11 Commission Report? The conclusions of the report are in question, largely because it is suspected to be a cover-up. The 9/11 Truth/Research/etc people provide independent studies opposed to the Commission Report's findings. You're saying there is lots of presumably independent evidence in support of the Report. Could you at least provide a few good examples? If you have already, please just say where.

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Oh, and Natalie, could you please provide backing reference(s) demonstrating the "consensus" you claim exists in this statement -- otherwise it's just your opinion, realistic or not, and the opinion of the government study which has been thrown into question. You wrote, "The nearly unanimous consensus among these pertinent professionals is that the collapse of the towers was well within the bounds of expectations, given the extraordinary design of the towers, the extraordinary event of having jets deliberately flown into them at top speed fully fueled, and the extraordinary amount of heat (not necessarily temperature) generated from the fires that resulted." …

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Wiley, re “Does Osama bin Laden speak English, and if not, why didn’t he have a good translator relay his messages to the U.S. public instead of leaving the translation up to the C.I.A., whom he knew well enough?” Same reason bilingual Quebecois speak French even when the majority of folks around them only speak English? PR? But one infamous propogandist showed a lot of scenes of the Bush family happily chatting it up with the bin Ladens before 9/11. And Osama's sons apparently speak English. See Al-Jazeera airs report showing Osama bin Laden's sons, November 7, 2001 Posted: 12:03 …

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Natalie, the Manning editorial merely adds to the evidence that the official Commission report was viciously flawed and that those controlling it and other follow-up on the WTC collapse are trying to hide something. It does almost nothing to support or deny a hypothesis of controlled demolitions. Manning simply describes one "resonating theory" of "subsequent contents fires attacking the questionably fireproofed lightweight trusses and load-bearing columns directly caused the collapses in an alarmingly short time." But Manning immediately adds, "Of course, in light of there being no real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just unexplored theory." And in Manning's …

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... remembering that you've got "the opinions of hundreds of structural engineers, civil engineers..., [and] the overwhelming majority of even physicists, metallurgists, materials experts and even fire engineers” to draw upon.. ... and that Manning is also said (in 2002, btw) the American Society of Civil Engineers (representing how many?) were contributors to an official farce.

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A bit more fat for the fire. There's a huge new analysis of the 9/11 Pentagon attack at Signs of the Times: "Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 -- and Neither Did a Boeing 757", by Joe Quinn I've not even read a third of it yet and make no claim as to its authority or veracity.

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Danged double quotes...

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Hey Rabbi', no worries. No offence intended. I'd just like to offer up a quote from Baba Vonnegut that might be apropos: Perhaps the only precept taught me by Grandfather Wills that I have honored all my adult life is that profanity and obscenity entitle people who don't want unpleasant information to close their ears and eyes to you. -- Hocus Pocus, 1999.

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Oops, 1990, not 1999.

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Ha! My last post put this article's extended discussion into ITT's top-10 list by popularity -- kinda sad, no? ;)

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Brill' Wiley. That Marvie Bush article is simply astounding. I chatted with Joe Shea who runs the American Reporter and he's a straight up guy, careful and meticulous. You and GR seem to be really hitting yer strides, rhythm and rhyme. Wish i had more time to watch and toss a few odd factoids in... Cheers y'all! Andi

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Btw, re Joe Shea, that's not to say Margie Burns went unnoticed -- he hardcore detail and analytical progress of her report speaks for itself -- just that Shea's publishing it adds even further to its credibility, and ominousness. Talk about family values! The Bushes have it down, deadly so.

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Gad am i incoherent now. I also have to add that i chatted with Joe Shea once, ages ago. But i've watched his work since then.

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Gad, this thread's become a whole 9/11 THROBs[01] site unto itself. Can't keep up. Had to save it all to disk for later viewing... Footies: 01. THROBs: Theories, Humor, Rants, Obfuscations and Best-guesses

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... and preservation.

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whew, minerv', you're TOO fast ;)))

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[You got your post in before i could even complete my thought. :D]

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Well put, dear Witch. These are but a few Bush-like pop-falacies most likely based on too many folks' lax bipolar TV indoctrinations: Coca = Coke; Socalism = Communism; America = US Gad, Canadada has had significant Communist and Socialist parties for ages. The socialists have even won major provincial elections a few times and served federally as the Honourable Opposition, sometimes quite effectively. They rarely appealed to me, but mainly because they appeared underfunded and lacking in terms of political connections needed to rule consistently, longer term. In fact, almost all the nations with the highest international ranks in standards of …

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Harpers is the only magazine i ever actually subscribed to in my life and the only thing i really missed after "exiling" myself to Saigon in 1994 -- aside from licorice ju-jubes and baklava. When Harpers finally went part way onto the Net, i was in ecstasy (and i suppose i should add for the Witch's and Kuya's sakes, that that is as opposed to "into" ecstasy [quick wink and a smile]). Even today, Harpers' Index never fails to astound me and spur my imagination. With the heedless approach to intellectual property epitomized by the Orient's Pearl, i rip a few …

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Just a different stage, dear Witch, a different role to play. As your own posts suggest between their lines, the ambiance of Lewis Lapham is quite unlike that of Baba Vonnegut. But just to show i can be as fortunately fecetious as ever (am@[home]$ fortune -am sober all): The worst thing about some men is that when they are not drunk they are sober. -- William Butler Yeats AD.2005.Dec.20.15:57.ICT (IndoChina Time)

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That was brill' WileyWitch. LOL!!! I'm plugging it into my not-ions database right away. Can i attribute it to you?

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whew, at last, that file's been sitting open for two days

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root@[fortune]# fortune -sam wileywitch all %% (not-ions) Public service message -- the death toll for medical error has exceeded the death toll for car accidents, so drive carefully (you don’t want to end up in the hospital). -- wileywitch, Lapham Way (discussion), In These Times (online), AD.2005.Dec.21.19:32.ICT

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Just fixed "Lapham's"... (oops) - thx, wiley

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Hey, at this point, could we take a break now from the personal attacks and ventings of our pet peeves or, for lack of a better word, polemics. Can we actually do what Scott (ThePopulist) is proposing: complying with the aim of this list and discussing Vonnegut's essay or related issues as the educated beings everyone here appears to be? I joined this forum late and, at that point, it did indeed seem to be dominated by posts aimed at self-amusement, as rocco just decried. I joined in on that angle, saw a chance to try break a block that had …

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This post may seem slightly OT (off-topic), but i'd suggest it goes to an assertion Vonnegut is making in YGIAGAM: that we must use a lot more of the information available to us from non-leadership, even anti-establishment sources but not neglect rationally questioning its validity. A few questions about some alt-info sources have been nagging me recently and i reckon Scott at least has some considerable experience that might help shed some light on the issues. Given my own predisposition and admitted prejudices about the recent US Admin's, after admittedly just skimming over two of the resources i referred to earlier …

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You know, to me, what Vonnegut is primarily saying in his essay is something like this --: What we do not know will always vastly exceed what we know, even as the Information Revolution becomes an intellectual hyperevolution (a beautifully ambiguous neologism which can be pronounced as either HyperEvolution or HypeRevolution). Just ask "What is God?" or "What is Nothing?" and it soon becomes obvious how big the unknownable or unknown must be. So, given all the influences on our lives that we can't hope to understand or know, we're all just guessing and always will be. And this goes for …

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Ha! I might have lied, yet again: i'm posting one more today. I just discovered YGIAGAM is already an established acronym. See http://www.smsdictionary.co.uk/?p=i&q=YGIAGAM or http://www.acronymfinder.com. I just liked it because sounds like something that might actually have interesting meaning as "y giagam" in Spanish. It reminded me of Ortega y Gasset and his "Revolt of the Masses" [http://www.historyguide.org/europe/gasset.html] -- which also has relevance to this exented disco, btw. Live'n'learn...

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Gad. Livin'n'learnin' is a sort of irresistable esctacy in itself. I read Ortega y Gasset as part of a semiotics course back in uni'. I'd forgotten most of what he wrote in "Revolt of the Masses" and was just reading the page at the URL referenced above to reinform myself. In doing so, i came across a couple quotes that are just too apropos to not post here (sorry "m goodwin".) Warning: OyG's perspective might offend some who believe in "democracy, no matter what". Anyway, here they are: 01. We do not know what is happening to us, and this is …

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Again y'all, you can call me Andi. That's my real name. Anyway, i agree completely that most in the US military are in all likelihood good folks or, at the extreme, mainly just a bunch of good ol' boys with a few babes thrown in. And i'd find it surprising if even a clique of psychopaths running things could imagine they could hide such a diabolical act on such a grand scale for even the term of one POTUS from the average Jane and Joe. But, as LumiBeaut noted, the physics seems to say otherwise, aside from some the eyewitness reports …

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By the way, in SighGone it is now another day.

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Something i just picked up from the ITT List, posted by Silja J.A. Talvi: * My other recommendation is for a ground-breaking DVD, With God on Our Side: George W. Bush and the Rise of the Religious Right in America, a documentary film (with plenty of DVD extras, [http://www.firstrunfeatures.com/withgodonoursidedvd.html])... ...[for] how, exactly, someone like George W. Bush got into power—and what makes him tick—this is essential viewing. Instructive, illuminating, and inspiring in its own right. A documentary this well-researched and (wholly non-dogmatic, at that)...

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Maybe, maybe, just a tad harsh about asking us guys to think so far outside of our boxes. I, too, instinctively winced at each post of personal poetry here. I don't even know why. Just did. Then again wo-men still do seem to me like a whole 'nother species -- but my favorite one, by the way.

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OK. I can dig that kind of poetry, lymerickly light. Howdy do to Bellavue.

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Btw, LumiBeut, you had me completely fooled on the gender guessing thing. Related: i use "Andi" instead of "Andy" for two good reasons and two dumb ones. Good: * it makes my gender a trickier to guess on the Net * it's easier for southern Vietnamese to read and say and has an interesting variety of possible meanings in Vietnamese, like "Eat and go", "moving peaceably" and combinations thereof Dumb: * i don't like most of the words, phrases, things from NAm (North American) culture i associate with "Andy" * an "i" uses less ink or lit pixels than a "y" …

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Since torture's all the rage in the US these days, i'll flog LumiBeaut: A limerick packs laughs anatomical Into space that's quite economical. But the good ones I've seen Are so seldom clean, And the clean ones so seldom comical.

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Duh, what?!? Not suggesting the offence you've taken is ungrounded -- don't know if it is or not -- but this was just posted by Wiley to another forum and i'd say it can hardly be classified as "dense or opaque": Public service message -- the death toll for medical error has exceeded the death toll for car accidents, so drive carefully (you don’t want to end up in the hospital). OK, maybe not the best of examples, but it cracked me up.

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Being Canadadian, the GOP and donkeys -- not the same thing, right? -- are just small-c conservatives to me. I'm interdependent: i go for what makes most sense in some place and time.

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LB, touché (source: http://www.touchemusic.se/) in spades.

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Yet another one on what really happened in 9/11. "Distinguished University of Minnesota Philosophy Professor Joins 9/11 Fight, Saying the Truth Must Be Uncovered", at ArcticBeacon, http://tinyurl.com/9kz3b -- including another view on the WTC and Pentagon Strikes. (Longish) Extract: “Most Americans may not realize that no steel-structure high-rise building has ever collapsed from fire in the history of civil engineering, either before or after 9/11,” wrote Fetzer. “If we assume that those fires have occurred in a wide variety of buildings under a broad range of conditions, that evidence suggests that these buildings do not have a propensity to collapsed as …

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Good gad awmighty, Wiley, i'm (almost) dumbstruck! "Dense" as applied to you is obviously one of the worst attempts at labelling i've ever seen. "Opaque" works, but only if recognizing how readily you can turn the opacity on and off. I am indeed hugely interested in anything more you've got to say about the what-really-happened and pentagon-strike references. And, as to relevance, i hold that debunking the official disinfo is indeed part and parcel of what Vonnegut was urging us all to do in YGIAGAM. That does indeed mean i see nothing wrong with ThePopulist's post. But that's neither here nor …

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Btw, this topic seems to be really starting to take off. See the latest ITT addition, "What's the 411 on 9/11?" (What's a "411"? Operator-assisted information?) A quote from that article, which i'm still reading now: 'At the University of Wisconsin, this distinguished academic [Dr. David Ray Griffin] told students at Bascom Hall that "there is no escape from the frightful conclusion that 9/11 was engineered by the Bush administration and its Pentagon."' But be sure to watch out for the bait-n-switch in that piece and read the comments that follow. Will scary coincidences never cease?

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Rabbit, i'll only plead: 01. I tried to explain the relevance of the "9/11 Truth Movement" just 3 posts above your last post; 02. In what i think is the 33rd post of this page (2), i proffered an interpretation of Vonnegut's YGIAGAM in light of other articles by KV at ITT. But not a single post followed in response to that post. Majortity rules? 03. Just two posts above your last post i noted a new article just appeared on ITT about the "9/11 Truth Movement" and i have since been over there in a vociferous debate against the author …

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Gad! There's a whole pre-existing culture here i had no clue about. I'm over to the God Squad thread to study up. Thanks GR.

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But where do the editors and staff of ITT fit in? It seems almost like they're out of the loop.

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AD20051231Sat20h11m20ICT So i'm end my AD.2005 harvest of saved Web "refs" (references) and "raps" (reports, analyses, presentations) with "The Hand of Time -- For Kurt Vonnegut, the Past Is Ever Present and the Future, Well...", By Bob Thompson, Washington Post Staff Writer, Wednesday, October 12, 2005; C01, NEW YORK, the best bio and update i've seen so far for Baba Kurt Vonnegut, Junior. And a Slap-Happy New Year of Slackness to all you "here and now, boys" (and girls) in AD.2006, Year of the Dog [ouch] -- and all the rest as well. AD20051231Sat20h46m38ICT AD20051231Sat20h28m49ICT PS: This …

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Ooooo... maybe somebody better cut minerva's chronic ice-tea connection. ;)

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Cheer(io)s! ;-)

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that was great :D

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disgusting too. cool...

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Hey folks, Rabbi', wiley, minerva, CanaDavid, Populista(?) (who'd i miss?), Say is there somewhere else online where we can hook up and rant or whatever? I'd really like to have such a place with you folks in back-up for days like today when i feel like ranting on about something that's got no relevance to any disco going down on ITT. Call me a prude, but i feel uncomfortable using ITT's extended discos for personal shite. Would this work, as lame as it may seem? :: My[New]Space: http://www.myspace.com/01sighgone Andi's Blurbs - About me: [diddly]; Who I'd like to meet: [squat]; Andi's …

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Know what you mean about "the place", Rab'. But, believe it or not, the VietNam national firewall blocks blogspot.com, same with geocities and maybe orkut and still yahoo groups. I've got my own blogger space, but can only manage it, can't look at it (except via ssh to overseas box, which takes most of the fun out of it). Anyway i can probably pop by your ears in a text browser... Lessee... andi-itt said... Hey Rabbit, i can post via text browser. Howdy do! ;) 8:56 PM, January 11, 2006 yup. cool... mo' later. the mrs and a flick are waitin' …

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