I have purchased Smithfield meats for some time now, because of the leaness and seeming good quality of their product. I don't have to buy their meats and won't any longer unless I learn that their practices have changed and they are treating their people as well as they treat their product. People deserve to be treated ast well as or better than a piece of meat. It's time we rebelled against the money greedy businesses and show we care about humankind.
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This discussion helped me decide to check on the activities of a meat packing plant back in Northern Indiana. We moved from that locale in '91. There had been a Wilsons meatpacking plant there for years. Hard work but decent pay. It sold and is now an IBP, Iowa Beef Producers actually processes hogs in the area. I researched IBP and found through Wikipedia that it was sold to Tyson but retained the IBP, Inc. name. The reason I bring this up is because IBP wages are dramatically lower than the former Wilson plant; and, when IBP opened up for business …
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Robert Kennedy was asked that same question by Stephen Colbert on The Colbert Report. I wish I could quote his words and I can't, but I can tell you that I was impressed with his reaction and his response. He did not become defensive. He was fair and non partisan. I can only remember I was satisfied with his answer. I'll have to watch for that on re-runs. I recommend you do so too.
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Natalie, I think you have your head stuck in the downward position of the rabbit hole. Rabbit is looking out and seeing much more of this world. We'll chalk your view up to convenient conservative tunnel vision. Women not arrested for protest? Lol, though it's dangerous. We have a Carol Fisher in nearby Cleveland Heights, Ohio who is in jail because a cop saw her posting a "World Can't Wait" (for the impeachment of G. W. Bush) on a light pole. She was told to take it down and before she could she was taken-down and cuffed by two burly policemen. …
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Ah, who needs war when we have G. W. Bush to bloody our way to peace... or is that pieces? And, as promised, the Iraqis are throwing flowers and cheering us on to murder them more, more... It couldn't get more tragic. Spare us this fairy tale, please!
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Hey Mr. Scorp, Do you have a forked tongue or do you always just talk out of both sides of your mouth?... a study of Rovian tactics? You're not nearly as good. You need tutoring. You speak of democracy and yet you support this regime, and this so-called leader in power, who speaks of force feeding democracy while denying democratic rights in his own country. It's all part of that imperialistic design of PNAC, the neocon push to world domination. (See, others can see the design of conspiracies within you and yours.) Main Entry: au·to·crat Pronunciation: 'o-t&-"krat Function: noun 1 : …
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Hey Scorpio, Here are some small numbers for you. Tell these folks how many more people died in Vietnam. Maybe that will make it all OK for them. http://www.peacetakescourage.com/number.html
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Dear Whattheheck, It's absolutely amazing the spin that someone can put on a situtation like Carol Fisher's to fit the profile of the spinster's system. She "wanted" to be arrested! Scoff... scoff... cough...cough... Unbelievable, the lies one can perpetrate to excuse anything and anyone. You don't know, you're simply smearing for the sake smearing someone who dissents from your preferred view.
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OK whattheheck, You punch me out, you get arrested and sued. You apparently wanted to get arrested and sued. Civilization didn't get us very far. Barbarism prevails. That is the same philosophy of those who steal elections, any which way you can get the results you want is OK. All that matters is that your candidate or party wins the election. Have a happy democracy.
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WTH- Silly, silly Sally here saying, if I understood you, you closed your doors on the Carol Fisher dialogue. First you said I did not cite credible news reports. Then before I got back to doing the requested newspaper report, you supplied it yourself. So because I thought I understood you to say that you could not, or would not accept anything that did not come from major news sources; no blogs, no partisan articles, etc. Door slammed. Thursday you said about the Carol Fisher story that we, "didn't hear the evidence, only opinions." I can tell you that evidence was …
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WTH: George Bush is commander and chief of our military. That does not make him commander and chief of you or me as civilians, nor of the laws congress passes that affect "civilians," so, when he does this signing business he is, in my opinion, telling the congress he will do as he pleases. He knows better than all! Why bother with a congress who is expected to sit in the corner like a docile pet on a leash? I know that other presidents have done this signing before, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton... but not to this extreme measure of G.W. Over …
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WTH::::: About Carol Fisher- Yes, I have met and talked with Carol Fisher, approximately 10 days before her last court appearance. It was a poetry reading in support of Carol. Carol answered anyone's questions. She's a quiet-mannered, soft-spoken person. She believes she had done no ultimate wrong. Her greatest "wrong" is that of preferring peace over war. She explained to me that the policeman told her to take the sign down and that she had no intention of disobeying that instruction, but before she could fulfill his direction, he took her down and with the "aid" of his partner, cuffed her, …
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We looked up the "laws" or ordinances for our little city regarding posting notices. There is an ordinance and a fine for posting on telephone poles, light poles, street signs, even the tree lawn area between the sidewalk and the curb. We found it interesting because we see signs posted for all kind of reasons. Apparently many citizens, including politicos. do not know the laws. I wonder how many people have been fined for their garage, yard sale, party. It does explain why realtors post their signs in one's lawn. Now my sarcastic nature clicks in to ponder how many of …
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Bravo, Rabbit... Relieved to have you standing among us, peeking from your rabbit hole as only the rabbit can do. Keep wiggling those wise whiskers. I'm really happy you did not become a rabbit's-foot keyring before your time. You are a sane voice in this Madhatter's tea party. Sallyb
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On topic- watch for Robert F. Kennedy's lawsuits to be filed against two computer companies mid-July. Sallyb
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Ken Blackwell is the secretary of state of Ohio. He controls every aspect of the voting process, from his office. No conflict of interests, mind you... lol He is now running for Governor of Ohio and refuses calls to step down during this election from his duties that control the election. Here is an excerpt from an Ohio government website devoted to the work and credentials of Blackwell. You be the judge. And oh yes, Blackwell is a Republican. Actually, he was the co-chair of the committee to re-elect George Bush in Ohio. It's reported that it was Blackwell who told …
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Relationships? There once was a princess, named Sally Who married a toad, by the alley She saw in him a prince, But my, how she winced She's a wart on her nose now, by golly!
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Frog, I'm ready to return to paper ballots and a marker or pen, People who can count accurately, and maybe add the Iraqi purple digit of pride. Then if there are questions they can be recounted. I call that minding your p's and q's Paper Pen People Purple Question Quiz Accuracy fhas been traded for speed. The process needs more time than the media or pundits want to allow. Too much knee jerk, beat'cha to the punch reporting.
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Tina 1, You wrote "I’m going to let you liberals in on a little secret .... THE ELECTION IS OVER AND BUSH WON." Let's do a little correction here "SWEETY"... The Election WAS STOLEN and Bush won. No secrets here, just dishonesty and doing whatever it takes to win. No holds barred Ken Blackwell did you that favor! Florida had its Judas (or Judy) who betrayed the people in 2000. So far, despite all attempts to alter it, we still have the Consitutional right of speech, so if you don't like the speech here, then go somewhere else where it suits …
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Scorp uses the word "fair" like he knows what it means. Repugnants only use that word if they win, no matter what means it took to gain that "win.". I find it odd that he would even broach the word "fair," given how conservatives like to beat up progressives for any stand which seeks fairness. Ah, once again that double standard. Fairness only counts if or when it affects the favored party. The neoconservative agenda has totally upended the electoral process, dumping ballots in ditches in Florida and then, rather than admit to any wrongs Scorp whines about Democrat fraudulence to …
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Carol Fisher - Update After spending 5 weeks in jail, Carol Fisher was released from jail this afternoon. Carol is an activist with "The World Can't Wait- Drive Out the Bush Regime" in Cleveland OH. Her arrest, trial, and conviction began when she put up a couple "Bush Step Down" posters on telephone poles in Cleveland Heights on January 29, 2006. For a fact sheet on her case, go to: http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1635&Itemid=61 Two separate court orders were issued releasing her from the Cuyahoga County Jail, cutting short her original 2 month sentence. Yesterday, July 6, the court of appeals finally granted her …
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Frog, Now that's what I call civilization!
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Natalie, You're as naive as a tree before it becomes a stump.
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Don't'cha just love the spin... ? ? ? Such continuity and predictability in the message. They sure learn their lines well. Best little scripts, right from the heartlessness of Texas. ...the cost of war "on the cheap..." murder and mayhem go a lot farther nowadays for the buck! And those Iraqis love that new found democracy so much that they only kill 47 citizens at a time! Think what they could do if they could only find those WMD's the conservatives convinced their consituents that were there... Remember the "Mushroom Cloud?" the... Yellow Cake? Tell us some more fairy tales, Mr. …
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http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/32863.html Article from Black Box Voting giving very detailed, lengthy evaluation and description of the problems with Diebold voting machines, an "informal synopsis of the unmitigated risks in the Diebold TSx" Yeah, yeah, the de-bunkers in the crowd will assess this as a liberal attempt to justify claims of stolen elections. Science and facts just don't seem to phase conservative agendas. Kind of like "the last throes" and "Mission accomplished" theories of their leadership.
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Ah, Natalie plays the overview of "War is Great" because look at all the peace is has pretended to bring us... "War without end, amen, amen.
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Natalie, The U.S. government has already been overthrown, it's called neo-con takeover. Wake up from that trance.
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Hey Natalie, The Verbose, who tries to win points with the most words... I'm not the one who created this plan and announced it to the world. The neocons themselves came up with it. So don't think you win points by passing off your vapid presumptions with your gung-ho bushish words to cover-up the neocons' agenda. Surely you have heard of "Progress for a New American Century" or the acronym PNAC. Look it up for yourself. Imperialist designs announced by the very innocents you defend. http://www.newamericancentury.org/ And by the way, you have not heard me praise Democratic actions or inactions. So …
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This Monday, the U.S. TV news was reporting that Saudia Arabia has still not complied with U.S. government requests to remove slurs in students' textbooks that promote hatred of the U.S. and Israel. The U.S. believes it is serious enough to create a terroist mentality in the children, creating future bombers, etc. Saudi Arabian officials responded that they could only do so much, because they had to cooperate with the desires of their people. These are Bush family friends who are allowing hatred to grow and develop toward the U. S. in the minds of their children. I do not condone …
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Having lived and worked in Texas for 10 years, I think I know more than you give me credit for, buckaroo. YOU do not understand the psychology, the psyche that is Texas. It still thinks it is a separate entity, even flies and flaunts itself under a flag as "The Lone Star State." You know, your dribble is just that. Without substance. Hollering that nothing has substance that does not fall under the guise of your understanding. You're just a slanderous shill, placed to create havoc with twisted truths and pseudo-wisdom. I question why you ask my permission to reject what …
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Conservative- someone who advocates the promotion of U.S. national interest in international affairs (No problem there) depending on military means (This is the bully whip and the loss of respect and humanity)
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Frog, Shills operate on command, like robots without a brain. Or is that the scarecrow? They have a script and are programmed stick to it religiously. That's why it cost $10,000 one year to set it up. A real live, down-to-earth human would know that a little wait for the newness to wear off, would ring the price down on such toys and gimmicks.
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Back from vacation- Back to the script. Today ,7/1706, "Blowing the Whistle on Diebold" by John Ireland is posted on "In these Times." This article reports on the lawsuit filed on 7/13/06 by Robert Kennedy, Jr. against Diebold and other computer companies alleging "fraudulent representation of (computer systems) to state election boards and the federal government that their products were “unhackable.”
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Now, there are "those" who won't believe this email, saying it doesn't prove anything because I can't cite a major news network... (Cleveland Peace Action) But, here is an email from a local (Cleveland, OH area) guy who is working in Beirut. You remember, that little game that's going on over there, funded by the American taxpayer? One American's view from inside Beirut, July 17, 2006 Editor's note: This email was forwarded to us by former Cleveland Hts. resident Liza Frolkis, from her brother-in-law, Michael Provence, who is stranded with his family in Beirut. With the dearth of information available to …
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Part 2 - Beirut email For the first time yesterday afternoon they really hit our side of town. The artillery barrages and the explosions are nerve wracking. Everybody in the building went downstairs. Our building, because it was built by Hariri in 1992 has a shelter and is really solid. Still, we are on a high floor and the noise is bad, even if the shells are far away, which they always are. We went downstairs and ended up eating with friends on the second floor. August was bouncing off the walls and I took him upstairs to feed him. They …
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Beirut Email - part 3. Furthermore, there is, of course, a back story. In 1982 the IDF invaded Lebanon “To root out the Terrorist infrastructure,” as General Sharon said at the time, which meant the PLO in those days. The IDF killed 30,000-40,000 people, carpet bombed Beirut, and displaced most of the population of the Shiite south, who came as refugees to the Southern Suburbs where they now live and where the Israeli bombardments are heaviest. Hizballah was born in those slums as a resistance movement to Israel’s occupation and a political party representing the Shiite populations. Two Israeli governments fell …
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Here in the U.S. of A, I fear we threw "noble" out with the baby and the bath water. Some of us will admit to it, but generally it is one of those dark, dirty, family secrets.
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The question is, "What is 'necessary'?" Sorry, schoolmarm clicked in. Merriam Webster online says the word "necessary" can be an adjective or a noun- 1. a : of an inevitable nature : INESCAPABLE b (1) : logically unavoidable (2) : that cannot be denied without contradiction c : determined or produced by the previous condition of things d : COMPULSORY 2 : absolutely needed : REQUIRED ---------------------------------------------------------------- It also provides a third definition, "necessary condition" which states: 1 : a state of affairs that must prevail if another is to occur : PREREQUISITE 2 : a proposition whose falsity assures the …
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WTH- You're too funny. You sound like my youngest, Jill. She got so fed-up with a printer that had always given trouble, took it out on their deck and beat the pulp out of it with a hammer. Then she worried that anyone watching her might have concern for the baby she's about to deliver, "What kind of mother will she be?" lol. At least you both are taking it out on things- and not people. Cheers!!!!
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WTH- I understand what you're saying about cost proficiency. I've experienced buying a printer for the same price as replacing the ink cartridge in one that had become problematic. I try to be "green" and not fill up the landfills, etc., but cost is a viable consideration. I use to be more conscious of what others think but I came to the realization that I basically live my life trying to "do no harm" (I do have a slingshot of rebuttals for unfairness...) so I was just not going to worry about that any more. I've listened to the counselor at …
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Redhorse- The World Can't Wait (to get rid of the Bush Regime) has a bus tour traveling north from New Orleans. As a member of this group I receive emails informing of their "progress." They stopped in a town in Mississippi (I forget the name) because of a demonstration going on there in which anti-abortionists (renamed pro-lifers) are attempting to close down the last abortion clinic in Mississippi. They reported that, while there, the abortionists tore up and burned a Quran. No one has been able to explain to me why that was necessary. What did Muslims or their holy book …
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"In 2000, it was Florida. In 2004, Ohio. Andrew Gumbel writes that in 2006 the biggest threat of election theft may be in Ohio once again. And John Ireland reports that RFK Jr.'s lawsuit against Diebold may be exactly what we need to prevent e-vote theft from happening across the rest of the country." RFK JR. BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON DIEBOLD John Ireland, In These Times The environmental lawyer-turned voting-rights advocate has found Diebold employees who may link the company to election fraud. http://www.alternet.org/story/39152/ We've got one of the biggest crooks ever, right here in Ohio. Ken Blackwell has found that …
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Hi Redhorse- Your comments are wise and consoling to this sojourner on this path "...all any of use can do is too continue in on the path layed before us , and think for a better day... " and suggest a look inside intent. Thanks. Although there isn't time to rest on one's "laurels," my country is comfortable with its "lot," and so the comfort zone supercedes anything else that seems irrelevant... wars, famine, lying politicians, poverty, Katrina catastrophe... if it takes any more than noble-sounding rhetoric or placebos, forget it... UNTIL it directly affects, and then all hell breaks loose. …
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Diebold spokesman David Bear admitted to the New York Times that the back door was inserted intentionally so that election officials would be able to update their systems easily. Bear justified Diebold's actions by saying, "For there to be a problem here, you're basically assuming a premise where you have some evil and nefarious election officials who would sneak in and introduce a piece of software... I don't believe these evil elections people exist." So, Diebold trusts "itself" and its employees so much that there is NO concern. And, it trusts all poll workers. Ah, me. Well, our experience here in …
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WTH- I'm generalizing but I'm sure you can hear my laughter because people from Cleveland like to laugh loudly and I'm from Cleveland. If I was from Ohio I might not have a sense of humor because Ohio is not in Cleveland.
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WTH and Rabbit, I'm happy as a lark, because I have been absolved of the whole bloody mess. I don't have to carry anyone else's shame.!! Good deal! I'm going to have a glass of wine and celebrate. Don't pull me down with your dirty deeds you dirty little boogers!! lol
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Rabbit- Not a thing happened to the Diebold employee. He's alive and well, still sharing his conservative wisdom on that same message board, spewing forth vitriolic epithets against all things liberal for any and all issues, fact or fiction. My daughter received a chilly, "OK. Thank you," and luckily for her she hasn't been placed in chains yet. We wonder if the day will come when this administration will decide to fill those mysterious new buildings going up, with the likes of us. I should probably ready my neglected bag of yarn so I can knit like Madame de Farge as …
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I just finished reading a fictional story by Belgian author, Anne Provoost, titled In the Shadow of the Ark. It's a different approach, looking through the eyes of those who are not chosen to be saved from the flood which was sent to rid the world of evil. If you have ever suffered and wondered , with in all humble innocence, what you could have done to deserve that suffering, then you have some idea the question of "Why me?" I'm telling this because even though I think the wars in the Middle East were started for political reasons, the media …
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Does the U. S. favor Israel? Here is a satirical piece, which alludes to that premise. Remember this is SATIRE, fiction... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14224.htm hmmm... or ....is...it...? So far, so good.
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July Monday 31st 2006 (23h17) : WORST EVER SECURITY FLAW FOUND IN DIEBOLD TS VOTING MA http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=12817CHINE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Subject: WORST EVER SECURITY FLAW FOUND IN DIEBOLD TS VOTING MACHINE Contact: Alan Dechert Reference: PICTURES (http://www.openvotingfoundation.org/ts/ ) SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA -- “This may be the worst security flaw we have seen in touch screen voting machines,” says Open Voting Foundation president, Alan Dechert. Upon examining the inner workings of one of the most popular paperless touch screen voting machines used in public elections in the United States, it has been determined that with the flip of a single switch inside, the …
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american irish70... you're a little late in this discussion... and, yes, we are "under" educated hicks. The South rose and put us under their thumbs, their heels, their oil money and corrupt cronyism. This discussion was over long ago. So now who is the whiner? You gotta back up your "legalise" talk with facts, not those same ole' conservative talking points. Saying something is legal does not make it so. Go home.
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Hi Wittengenstein, I have a decade on you and have expressed the same alarms and have been told "the dems lost and need to stop whining and get over it." They don't get it. It's not about the dems losing it's about the discrepancies, the oddities, the Ken Blackwell disenfrancising dealings here in Ohio. And yet, today, I was teaching an ESL class of 2nd generation American-Palestinian and American-Iraqi children about the U. S. Constitution and theirs and my 1st Amendment Rights. I gave it a good show but all the while my mind is whirling about how the "other side" …
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War Eagle, Your delayed response to my comments in 2006 explain why you sound so bitter. You've been holding it back too long, sir. When did you rewrite the history of the 2000 election? They stopped the election re-count in Florida and the U. S. Supreme Court appointed Bush president. Have you been Rip-Van-Wrinkling these two years? I'm not going to continue to argue with a close-minded personl. I'll choose a battle worth fighting for. Conservatives are that way, gung-ho with guns and war all the way and then blame a liberal when it all falls apart. May God have mercy …
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