Litigation is a slow process. My fear is that by the time this reaches the Supreme Court, the 2008 elections will be over and they'll declare it moot. We have to remember that the current Supreme Court is even worse than the one that stopped the Florida recount in 2000. I'm happy to see this case filed I live in San Diego and in November I took our Registrar of Voters to court, alleging that the machines were hackable and the chain of custody was not secure. I lost. Now that everything I alleged has been proven correct, I often wonder …
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40 or 50 of us packed the San Diego Board of Supervisors meeting this morning. Our signs said, "Dump Diebold!" The Chair of the San Diego Democratic Party, the head of San Diego Metro Progressive Democrats of America, a Democratic Congressional candidate, a prominent journalist, the voter who had filed for a recount, and several others spoke to the Board and at the press conference we held afterwards. In the crowd were at least four Green Party members and at least two Republicans. One person asked me why we weren't in the streets in 2000 and 2004. I explained that some …
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Press coverage, Redhorse? I'm not expecting miracles here. The press was there, but what gets printed and aired is another story. About 15 years ago, when the last semi-liberal talk show host went off the air in San Diego, I realized I was living behind a media iron curtain and I did what any freedom-loving person does in that situation: I bought a shortwave radio. Since then I've gotten a computer and have myself become involved with Indy Media. So while it would be darned nice if there's some coverage from the propaganda press, I'll continue to rely on email and …
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I'm 66 years old. A couple of months ago I went to only the second street demonstration in my entire life, a small protest in front of the Mexican consulate in support of the Zapatistas and the people of Atenco. I went both as a participant and also to help cover the event for Indy Media. We chanted, read off the names of those imprisoned, and everything was fine. Then a police officer came over to try to clear a path on the sidewalk. He asked politely, "Who's in charge here?" And everyone yelled back in unison, "The people are in …
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Heh heh..... As an atheist all I can say is that I'm very glad that the Kennedy clan are Catholics. ;-)
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Frog, that's only one of the problems with mail-in voting. When you go to the polls to vote, there is a public list of voters and your name is crossed off or checked off. It is easy to tell how many people voted at each precinct. With mail-in ballots, on the other hand, it is impossible to know how many were actually received. When Greg Palast's team found thousands more absentee votes than registered absentee voters in one county, he noted that if ballots had been subtracted rather than added, nobody would have known about it. Any process that is not …
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You're very welcome, Frog. On the left hand side of any Indy Media site is are links to other Indy Media sites all over the world. So if I want the news from someplace in particular, I can go directly to their Indy Media site instead of having to depend on external news coverage. For example: Paris: http://paris.indymedia.org/ England: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/ San Diego, California USA: http://www.sdimc.org/ Chiapas, Mexico: http://chiapas.indymedia.org/ Beirut, Lebanon: http://beirut.indymedia.org/ All Indy Media sites are run by volunteers on whatever servers they can afford, with open source software, no commercials, and the same guidelines. Many stories will have translations available …
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Excellent! Thank you, Dirkk. It may be a stereotype, but I've always believed that the Dutch have an extra share of common sense. Best of luck to you!
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A young Canadian, huh? That explains it. We have to be our own leaders. If we let someone lead us, they get shot. If there's anything we don't need it is any more Kennedy assassinations. Did you read my post above, Stopycryingstartfighting, about the demo where the officer asked who was in charge, and everyone shouted, "The people are in charge!" There are many reasons for nonhierarchical organizing, not merely the fact that whenever fascists can identify a leader, they shoot. In order to have a participatory democracy, everyone has to learn how to participate. Instead of bosses and workers, everyone …
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This is so sad. It took RFK Jr. before the left gatekeeper sites permitted any discussion of election fraud, except to call it a conspiracy theory touted by nutcases. In the case of 9/11 Truth, it will take more than that because the crime is much greater than stealing elections. People from the Bush administration, military generals, respected engineers, all have been dismissed as looneys. My guess is that the only thing that will break the dam is when one of the perps gets busted for something else almost as big and turns state's evidence to buy clemency. If they don't …
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Today I'm going to a rally against electronic voting machines. Yesterday I was at a peace rally to protest U.S.-supported Israeli violence in Lebanon. Herman@s, escucha -- Estamos en la lucha! So the Pentagon "loses" a few trillion here, Enron swindles a few billion there, Halliburton is shown to have defrauded the government and is given more contracts anyway, some Congressperps get convicted or resign, the deficit is the greatest in history, and these are all supposed to be isolated incidents of a few rogue players? Enough is enough! What we have is a government of crooks. Anyone who hasn't resigned …
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Lufthansa was the only commercial airline to decide that the remote control system might be used for nefarious purposes, and remove it from their planes. Their fares tend to be a bit higher, but if you're concerned about security, flying Lufthansa is probably worth it.
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Never had a cell phone. My land line is useful, but I keep the ringer turned off and only use it to call out. I've got Skype for making free voice calls on my computer, but I have it set so that only people I've listed as contacts can Skype me. And they can only do that when I have it turned on. Technology like my computer and camcorder can be useful, but, like government, it must serve us rather than dominate us. ITT, for example, is useful only to the extent that public comment and discussion are allowed to refute …
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Nat spat: >You repeat again the illogic of pointing out the uniqueness of the tower's collapse in history. The hook that you simply cannot wriggle from is the fact that the towers themselves were unique, and so were the catastrophic events that caused their demise. What is it about this simple concept that escapes you? "Gee, Jim never has a second cup of coffee at home! Come to think of it, I never served Jim Folgers." Part of the uniqueness of the towers is that they were built to withstand plane crashes and fires of this type. > In fact, in …
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Nat then spat: > Witness for the prosecution: William Rodriguez: > Here's what the janitor said before an agenda driven lawyer and an agenda driven nut-job billionaire (@ 04:06) got a hold of him: Since you are an agenda driven writer, I guess you'd know about such things. > William Rodriguez worked on the basement level of the north tower and was in the building when the first plane struck his building. True. > "We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the …
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And Nat then spat: > Berg's client, William Rodriguez, is also on the tour. Rodriguez is a 911 hero who rescued many victims from the WTC, where he was a janitor in the North Tower; he accompanied firemen up the fire tower and let them onto the floors with a master key. For his acts of heroism, President Bush honored Rodriguez at the White House. Later, however, he realized that the "official" story is a lie. Rodriguez heard "explosions" in the North Tower before the building fell, confirming the 2+ Richter scale seismic recordings prior to the fall of each tower. …
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Thanks, Rabbit. I had an enlightening experience with a shill some time back on another board. I'd post something about election integrity and the dangers of Diebold machines, and he'd respond that the most important thing was to elect Democrats. I'd ask how you can elect Democrats if you don't have free, fair, open, honest, verifiable elections, and he'd say that I was being disruptive and wasting people's time and energy when the most important thing was to elect Democrats. And so on..... Since the JFK story in Rolling Stone came out, his paymasters have been telling him that the most …
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Skeptosis, that's my new favorite song! (Just shared it with a bunch of friends -- keep on rockin'!)
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Howler, the answer to suggesting that human beings can't keep secrets that long, may have been posted already, but I'll repeat it. The Manhattan Project was kept secret for years, even with thousands of people working on it, and even President Truman didn't know. Large numbers of human beings not only can, but have kept secrets for long periods of time, particularly when they are impressed with the importance of what they are doing. Anyone who would take part in something that killed 3,000 innocent citizens, must have thought that there was some important purpose involved or they wouldn't have done …
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Here we go again: Nat spat: >Can I get you to imagine just briefly, Rabbit, that there actually were no deliberately placed implosion/explosion devices in the WTC towers. There was only the airplane crashes, the resulting jet fuel and content fires, and gravity. Sure. And then, out of sheer jealousy, building 7 which had not been hit by a plane and did not have any jet fuel and only very small fires, was brought down by gravity in a similar manner and at a similar speed. Three buildings collapse in a similar manner, crumbling totally to the ground at a similar …
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Great picture, Wileywitch. Obviously, buildings which are more sturdily constructed with the specific intention that they would be able to withstand plane crashes, like the WTC towers, are less apt to remain standing than buildings, like that Amsterdam apartment complex, that are not. But only in Nat's fantasy land. As for blaming 9/11 on Islamic extremists, the FBI has disbanded the unit investigating Osama bin Laden because they found no evidence connecting him to 9/11. So it wasn't Al Queda. As for the supposed 19 hijackers, several of them are still alive, the supposed pilots simply didn't have the piloting skills …
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Oh one of those totally unreliable conspiracy theory news sites: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm Check it out, Nat.
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First they told us it was Osama bin Laden. Now they say it wasn't Osama bin Laden. Okay, so they made a mistake. Anybody can make a mistake. Just because there was one case of mistaken identity, doesn't necessarily mean that there were others. Oh, but they've admitted that some of the torture victims in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo were also cases of mistaken identity. Okay, just because there were many cases of mistaken identity, doesn't necessarily mean that there were also a few more than they've admitted to. But it does mean that they do make mistakes, they have made …
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Nat spat: >The fires were not accessible to firefighters. So why did the lying mainstream media tell us that two of the firefighters had reached the fires, said that they were small and controllable, and asked that hoses be brought up? >That’s the way it works, isn’t it? One of your myths is totally debunked and the response invariably is: “It doesn’t matter” No, the way it works is that when several of YOUR fantasies are totally debunked, Nat, your response invariably is, "It doesn't matter." With hurricane Katrina in New Orleans FEMA demonstrated complete ineptitude. With 9/11 our country's air …
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Here's a link to a page that has photos, quotes, and video links to major military and intelligence experts, and other respected people now voicing concern of possible U.S. government involvement in 9/11. http://www.v911t.org/911MythWebsite.php You just scroll down to the expert of your choice, click on the picture or the box, and it takes you right to the video. Enjoy! Uh, Nat, you might want to check it out also, just to see the sort of folks you've been trying so unsuccessfully to disparage.
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You find the scientists and structural engineers at the scientists and scholars for 9/11 truth sites. The video of the first mainstream media cameraman on the scene at the Pentagon is linked above. None of those forensic teams said there were any Arabs aboard the planes, and one specifically stated that there were none. And while some people may have thought they saw a commercial plane crash into the Pentagon, those with more knowledge and experience say it was not. Heck, even Cheney said it was a missile. Then he corrected himself -- with so many lies to remember anyone can …
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1) No way. Do your own googling. 2) You asked for somebody who "was actually at the Pentagon crash site." You didn't say that if he was a mainstream media reporter who also filmed what he saw it wouldn't count. Kilsheimer says he saw "the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building," but since the hole is too small for the wings to have entered the building, why weren't they on the lawn? In fact why was the Pentalawn (google that one also) so pristine if a plane had been flying that low over it. 3) You …
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I think it is interesting that during all the years of commerical aviation in the U.S., including many years in which we had Presidents who were accused of being soft on defense, it never took more than 10 minutes to scramble jets to intercept an off-course plane, not even a small private plane. But as soon as we get the current administration, which is supposedly tough on defense, and somebody who is supposed to be extremely tough on defense, Dick Cheney, is put personally in charge of our air defenses, a plane is allowed to continue flying around for 50 minutes …
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Scorp wrote: "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" I believe that's a quote from Richard Pryor. I didn't see the film, but I believe that his wife or girlfriend caught him in bed with another woman, and he said that to try to get out of trouble. You couldn't have picked a more apt quote.
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Very interesting, particularly since I can see with my own eyes that a plane never hit the building. Whatever it was, it wasn't a plane. And no plane could have caused that much destruction anyway, not in buildings specifically designed to withstand plane crashes. While commercial demolition may differ in some ways from military demolition, this was demolition, not planes and fires. Planes don't cause whole building to collapse, never have and never will. They only damage the parts of the buildings they hit. And no fires from anything in the planes or the buildings could have burned hot enough to …
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One of the major problems in this country, as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., just mentioned in an interview on bradblog.com is that we no longer have Ronald Reagan's Fairness Doctrine. So unless you have a millionaire friend, nobody is likely to hear your testimony. I'm sorry that people like you are dominating the media, Nat, and that it is backfiring on you because you can't find important information. But the rest of us seem to manage, so it might also be partly due to poor research skills. You probably don't get much news about hurricane Katrina survivors still living in trailer …
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I don't understand why the remains of the victims are not permitted a decent burial and have to remain in a garbage dump: http://www.evesmag.com/ashes.htm You'd think that if the federal and state governments care enough about 9/11 victims to start and support wars supposedly aimed at avenging them, that they'd be permitted a decent burial. Is it possible that the remains may contain traces of explosives that the government doesn't want found? I think our elected officials, now that they have Diebold and ES&S and don't need our votes any more, think we're all garbage.
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Oh gee, I forgot that you were genuinely interested in the 14 witnesses, Nat. So interested, in fact, that after all these years you have no idea who they are. But if we would be so kind as to name them, you'll be happy to discredit their testimony, discredit them (if their testimony actually got past the Media Iron Curtain, they must be publicity-seekers anyway, right?), and discredit yourself some more in the bargain. As soon as there is an independent, unbiased investigation into 9/11, the fourteen witnesses and many more just like them will come forward. You see everything as …
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And in your eyes, Natalie, the two sites are equally credible?
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According to yesterday's MSNBC poll with more than a quarter of a million responses, only 11% of the U.S. public doesn't think Bush should be impeached (2% don't know), and 87% think he should be. Now what are the odds that I would run into one of that 11% on a supposedly progressive website? This is not a scientific poll, but as so-called scientific polls rarely use anywhere near such a large sampling, it should be regarded as more, rather than less accurate since the margin of error decreases as the size of the sample increases. Are you really not angry …
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I guess that's why disagreement with the unelected leader (the Supreme Court stopped the recount in 2000, but newpaper investigations showed that had it proceeded, Gore would have won, and in 2004 the illegally suppressed votes would have overwhelmingly given the election to Kerry) is on a much more respectful plane that it was when Clinton was President. But then Bush probably deserves more respect for being a supposedly sober cocaine-addled deserter who has devastated the economy and committed war crimes. Funny the double standard -- the thing we were told about Clinton was that it wasn't about sex, it was …
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Nat-a-LIE doesn't think Bush went after Osama hard enough. No matter that the FBI says there is no evidence of Osama's involvement in 9/11. He was a good enough patsy, so Bush should have gone after him anyway? Or perhaps he did have some involvement, and the bin Laden family asked their dear close friends, the Bush family, to please cover it up so their beloved Osama (who they're said to have repudiated but still kept sending money to) wouldn't get in trouble, a request that the Bush family, being family-values people, had no choice but to comply with. So do …
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One thing I do believe is that Nat-a-LIE is a Reagan Democrat. See, I never believed that there was such a thing. When they told me that all these folks voted a straight Democratic ticket, but voted for a Republican for President, I didn't believe it. I had quite an argument with a friend at the time. There was an article in The New Yorker about how our government had interfered with elections in other countries, and I told him my feeling was that if they were doing it in other places, they were doing it here too. I've lost track …
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The FBI has stated that they have no evidence of Osama's involvement in 9/11, they've closed the unit that was investigating to see if he had any involvement in 9/11, and they've never charged him with any involvement in 9/11. But I'm the last person in the world who would try to defend the FBI's sanity, so if you want to say they're crazy, Nat-a-LIE, I'd be in the uncomfortable position of having to agree with you.
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Nice program on C-Span: http://www.c-span.org/ Look at "Recent Programs" and click on "Theories about 9/11" (American Perspectives). It has aired several times, but you can click on it online and watch/listen any time.
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And do you wish that Bush HAD been in charge during the Cuban missile crisis? You win, Nat-a-LIE. I've never had participated in a discussion with a fascist warmonger and apologist for human rights violators before and hope I never do again. On the rare occasions that my side wins, flowers bloom and children play happily in the sunshine. More often your side wins, and there is nothing but death, destruction, screams, agony, and darkness. That's your milieu, that's what you prefer, and that's all you will have when you win. Or do you think that if the Nazis had won …
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I voted that Democrats will take the House, but not the Senate. The Senate is our "House of Lords," and is reserved for the corporate aristocracy. But I think the Democrats have to take the House in order to make it seem plausible when a "Democrat" wins the White House in '08. Stay with me. Bill Kristol of Project for a New American Century, said on national TV that he expects the Democrats to win in November and that it will be the best thing that could happen for the Republicans. Remember there is a tradition that Republicans only pardon some …
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I'm a registered Green Party member, probably because part of my mind is still stuck in the stupid "win/lose" paradigm. Stupid, because when Greens have attained some power in places that have proportional representation, such as Mexico and Germany, it does seem to corrupt them. Often I find myself more in agreement with some of the Socialist parties, or with the Peace and Freedom party. But one day I was down at the Registrar of Voters' office and noticed a list of voters divided up by parties. There were about 30 different parties listed and I was amazed to see that …
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