Seems unlikely to me given all the vested interests. I'm certain health care providers are easily in the top five contributors to the very people being asked to bite the hand that feeds them. Haven't posted here in ages, and have yet to see one familiar nick. Are any of the 'old-timers' still around? User turnover is such a trip.
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And what would that 'win' entail, Scorp? What would have to happen for your 'victory' to be declared? Anarcho- 30 years and 3 billion people ago I would have agreed with much of your thinking. Imagine going back to an island where there were just 2 tribes. One tribe killed those they encountered not from their group, and the other didn't. Which do you suppose were our ancestors? How do we explain to 2 and a half billion Indians and Chinese they can't use cheap, dirty coal to build their economies as we did? That they can't ever consume the way …
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You are a hoot, Scorp. So how long does our 'support' continue is the question. When can we say our 'mission is truly accomplished' and bring the troops home? What will the situation in Iraq have to look like for this to happen? This is the question you neocons never answer, along with where the money and fresh troops will come from to continue this insanity. I guess ultimately it's up the the Chinese and Japanese, as they carry most of our debt. What if they stop carrying us?
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How about the value of the dollar? As our economy runs on oil, you don't think this is going to be a problem? Just keep throwing money into the dark pit of Iraq and there'll be no consequences? Think we're getting more popular over there Scorp? Who's going to protect this small force we leave behind? The Iraqi military? Those others you mention ARE ALSO a hoot, Scorp, but the way you go on you'd fit right in. Ever consider running for office? The Hooters Party? Oh, and business and civil life will CONTINUE in Iraq? When did it START? I …
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Whether we leave Iraq next week or in 2 years, (which with our present manpower/equipment is impossible) the results will be the same there. Only [b]our[/b] debt and loss of life will be affected. The whole issue is so complex-easy to understand why the debate here has run out of steam. I see radical declines lately in online discussions all over the net. I sense many are starting to figure out that while there may be hope, it is for the planet, not us. Thus boards such as this are all dying.
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Heh heh. Guess LB misses Mike so much he decided to take over his role here. Pale comparison, to be sure, but still it seems Mike was such an excellent example of the futility of resorting to insults in debate it was out there as a constant reminder to the rest of us. This said, the quality of the discussion has definitely improved. I figure Mike must be dead if he didnt reply to this thread. Maybe he made the mistake of getting a cab at OHare? You know anything about that Cabbie? Will keep up with this discussion from here …
Posted to Sicko's Critics and the Upside of Hitler
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[quote]Memories of Kurt[/quote] The General in the bed next to Billy complaining to someone about how Billy has these recurrent nightmares and he has to listen to him beg for surrender and planning retreats in his sleep. The fantasy of how the aliens that had abducted him and put him in the zoo. Their explanation to zoo visitors of how Billys species viewed reality; looking through a long, large pipe attached to a car on a moving train. He saw only what appeared through the pipe. The trains themselves had no bias, but once you lay out the tracks thats the …
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Hi Natalie. What happened? Did Honest Joe go back to the asylum? I think you'll find your snake oil is a much harder sell in most of the other forums but I hope you do try. Imagine the problems Iran could cause us in Iraq, just when we've got things going so well there. Better check the rust on our over used saber before suggesting more 'rattling' anywhere. Great post David. Make an honest woman of her-get her to confess she's a paid hack for the 4 horsemen, betting on total devastation to win, place, and show.
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[quote] What an utterly strange holier than thou post, Arpie, coming from someone who couldnt for a time quite decide whether or not his own govt used explosives to bring down the WTC towers. Im reluctant to trust your take on saber oxidation and honesty.[/quote] Heh Heh. Holier than thou? Now Natalie, surely you remember Im an atheist. I notice as usual you didnt touch the pertinent question; what will happen in Iraq if we attack Iran? Do you think we have a workable game plan for that? Now try and focus N, and answer that question first before trying to …
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Natalie-This will be my last reply on this or other topics to you, and I would strongly recommend other users here follow suit. Here’s why. Paid or not, Natalie is clearly a spokesperson for nearly all that the majority of users on ITT find offensive about the attitudes and body politic in this country. Like most of her ilk, she is weak on history and primarily a one-trick pony. Notice how she inevitably keeps bringing up 9/11 though that is not the subject here. She will also avoid responding when she can find no rationale for her position in reply. Many …
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David-You actually Nated me!! This is what happens when you hang with the wrong people. First, I never said or insinuated that Natalie didnt have the right to participate here. Perish the thought. In fact, I will even still read her delusions just to see how the die hard [i]my country right or wrongers[/i] are trying to spin things these days. Im merely pointing out its a waste of time trying to engage her in logical debate, and self defeating. Not only does this take away time you could be using to post more of your thoughts on faith in Human, …
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Mike-if she was another of the sites imbeciles I wouldnt have bothered trying to engage her in dialogue in the Faith forum. She is far from that. She has intelligence, but as David said she has [i] a lifetime of patriotically pathologic indoctrination[/i] to overcome and the resulting hypocrisy is something I have encountered too often. Fact is, she represents a far higher level of the Rove/Cheney ideological sophistry than one would expect to encounter in a forum such as this and it truly does piss me off by association. That I allow myself to react that way pisses me off …
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Mike-you just caught me before going to town. I agree with everything you stated last reply. Make an honest woman of her. Going to break my vowel not to reply to you this one last time Nat-ocon. I was going to send links to polls showing the citizens of even our closest allies see us as major peace threat, but then remembered you just dismiss any evidence that doesnt support your position so why bother? You say Im closed minded yet continue to bring up my willingness to consider the possibilities regarding a 9/11 conspiracy with every reply. Yes I have …
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Well shiver me timbers! Hide the good silverware lads-weve just been boarded by a pirate. He likely got confused by all the 'raven' going on in this thread. Welcome aboard, KFZ. Bet I know how you found your way to this hidden little nook in the metaverse. Glad you did. Sadly you have arrived at the scene of my first hissy fit on ITT, and I still am amazed I let the lady who just called us all hopeless arouse my ire. I think its mostly her sanctimonious style and the way she cherry picks her issues in such a similar …
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I doubt it will be news to any ITT readers that the Bush administration manipulated the data leading up to the Iraq war. It leaked Wilsons wife was at CIA to make it look like she had something to do with him being the one sent, supposedly to back up the CIAs conjecture that the Niger story was a hoax. So what? Old news and barely skin deep. What I believe should be the focus of the ITT editorial staff is the role of the mass media that made Bush's cherry picking of intelligence possible. It was obvious this was going …
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I wish there were more articles on ITT regarding the economy. What has been presented in this one merely skirts the edge of the complex house of cards our economic system has become. Productivity is a significant indicator. But to simply allude to hedge funds and other machinations on Wall Street without examining derivatives and the game being played regarding the dollars status as the reserve currency is to fail to address the debt culture that underlies most of our problems. It seems part of our conundrum is we are all bombarded with such an overload of information in these times …
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Where you guys get the energy and motivation for all this truly intrigues me. Some really good posts in this thread, but as always the topic gets overwhelmed with other ongoing issues. Wonder whats going to happen when the continued growth/debt cycle finally reaches its limits? Anyone read a game plan for that little segue? When can be argued, but at some point the available resources will require consumption be curtailed. No more economic growth. What then?
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Well, that's it for me. You guys are on the economic version of the Titanic, and will still be staging your prolonged hissy fits as the leaky pipe youre arguing about goes under water. Before I follow in the wake of the stampede to stop emails to this topic, a few thoughts. I see a pattern here. Its like a digital barfight that crashes along amidst the various topics. It almost always comes back to the same arguments, no matter the topic. The sad part is amidst the verbal dramatics some really good writing and well constructed arguments appear. At first …
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Just saying hi to get notices for this topic. Rave on.
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Is this the Sockpuppets Ball? Thought I should weigh in as Erics date since he seems to have convinced a few here he has his hand up my hosiery. Now for a confession. I am Boston Blackie. I created him just to fool the rest of you into thinking he was Hawaii Jacks brother. Next I will have him deny this just to keep you guys in suspense. Think the word salad needs a touch more dressing. Coming next: The Thin Man.
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As usual, I'm with you Mike-the Socrates of ITT. David and LB-can god create an object so large that she cant lift it? Or put another way, can she make those of us who dont shine reflect her light? With faith there is no hope. Shall we just agree that what you call god is merely the sum of all we cant explain? Nothing personal.
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Interesting post, Luminous one. I would argue however that in fact there is ample evidence that 95% of religious belief IS in fact a cultural inheritance given about that percentage adopt the religion of their ancestors. You and David are just 2 more examples, or were your parents perhaps Buddhists? Religion is basically a contagious disease of the mind. ‘Go forth and multiply’ may have been good advice 2 thousand years ago but today leads us down the road of devolution and self destruction; a cancer cell ideology if you will. Bet Im the joyless atheist David refers to. Try Googling …
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WE HAVE A WINNER!! And theres Mike waxing ironic again, like he doesnt know we are ALL here because we arent all THERE! Boning LB THIRD prize? Guess Mike hasn’t seen her Myspace profile. Great post David, and while Christians may lack a sense of humor I never imagined you as a Sunday school believer and your reply cracked me up. Even with that great site you sent me a link for to find references in the Bible, go back and look at how little you were able to come up with. It truly is funny. All you could find was …
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Now were talking funny David. That Matt was such a card; laugh riot. I especially enjoyed his shtick about how man should not question his faith too carefully, relying on fallible human wisdom to analyze the actions of God. What a hoot, and it ties in so nicely with the whole Genesis theme-the tree of KNOWLEDGE. Dont even take a byte, or you shall be voted immediately off the island. A true Theocracy; 1 God, 1 vote. Trust me, my friend, if all who embraced a paranormal spirituality in the same way you and LB do I would have no antagonism …
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David and LB-blown away by your replies; GREAT writing!! You two should be immediately stuffed and mounted; thoughtful, articulate, men of faith. Oh that I have lived long enough to make the acquaintance of such!! Really hope we will have the opportunity to carry this dialogue much further. Other obligations prevent me from replying in full until the weekend, but one point Id like to leave you with. Neither of you responded to my charge that tearing 42 children with a couple bears for laughing at Elishas baldness hardly seems like the act of a loving god. Having read the book …
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Only for you would I do this Mike. Heres the link to LB's MySpace profile, which I learned about from Eric. This was posted in the In You more than yourself thread. But if you just Google [url=http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=44863518]Luminous Beauty[/url], this is first hit so she must be ringing somebodys bells. Not my type really, and the only thing I can keep stiff these days is my upper lip. Im hardly the one to ask about wood stiffening unless youre talking carpentry. But if you are talking biology, Ive heard the new liquid Viagra with Mydixadril is quite effective. Why not just …
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Interesting post, Kuya. Hope to hear more from you in this thread. I'll give my thoughts on some of your ideas soon. Love is supposed to be be the heart of worship, but would propose that fear and superstition are far more common among those of faith. Sad is the atheist who must seek sanctuary among believers, for they are not his conjectural kin. Yet in this home of the literary 'rough trade' this is one of the last peaceful forums left. LB, your picture reminded me of one I found to demonstrate visually the E8 problem, solved by a team …
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Tex-turn the other cheek, vato. Ignore him and he will stop. Del lobo un pelo es bastante, simon? Este cabron solamente busca un novio aqui, ¿consigues mi significado? Diga nada y vamos a tener no mas de esta vina. Ya Basta! Mike- PLEASE dont start up here. Im getting a real sense of deja-moo; Ive read this BS before. Go back to the economy thread where everyone has already left because of it. And do keep on your meds. If there cant be just a few topics where rational discussions can be held without the inane ad homenums, you will be …
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Wow-I havent had time to add to this great discussion here but hopefully soon will. In the meantime have really enjoyed reading it. Hope it continues. Some interesting insights.-Arpie
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Welcome indeed. I have been meaning to write a long reply to this thread but alas, time flies. Your observations are intriguing, Sandalwood. Hope to hear more from you. Have you ever done the exercise with the candle and the mirror? To see you real face? Tried that both on and off acid years ago. It was quite trippy either way. I positioned the candle so all I could see was my face. I was in a very isolated spot in the Florida Everglades, yet still use white noise to nullify any audio shifts. After staring [b]without blinking[/b]-this is crucial and …
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LB: Another of your really great posts. May I quote you in Pentangle? Consciousness is one of the five points in this topic. Ceupraxia and dyspraxia are often hard to distinguish though, are they not? Likely why the Chinese symbol is the same for both. I sure hope this thread continues the points made so far. So very hard to maintain continuity in forums such as this. As they about getting info on message boards; [i]the odds are often good, but the goods are often odd.[/i] --Arpie
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Even I agree he is likely better off now David, though for very different reasons. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Of all the many writers I have read completely-every book written-he was one of the best. Easily the most Humane. I have just recently turned the son of a close friend onto ole Kurt, and he has become his favorite writer. He will live on, through all the great work he left us and future generations. Farewell Kurt, and thanks for so many enjoyable hours and memories. You will be missed and remembered. And so it goes.
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Hehe-You must be getiin nervous with all this love directed toward you Mike. But don't worry-I still don't love you. However, this said I am still in awe of your hutzpa. They turn the other cheek only to get dope-slapped. How very [i]cheeky.[/i] You really must know the difference between ebonics and pidgin English. It's only because Tex knows how you love to write he calls you 'essay,' right Tex?
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[quote]Smellin’ yo’ own farts, again ? You love THAT ????????????[/quote] Mike. Think about it! What's the title of this thread? [b][i]RECLAIMING what makes us human, right???????[/i][/b] You mean you [b]don't[/b] smell your own gastric expulsions? Must make you pleasant dinner company. And yet believe it or not folks, he's still available for short notice invitations. Anyway guys, glad to see we're stickin to the higer elements of this discussion. Mike truly is irresistible to some, and at times he can be quite funny. We do have a lot of laughs here I guess, though rarely all at the same time. And …
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David-Heh heh-and did you notice Blackie's style? I told LB he could learn to do that, as with bart. But he still doesnt get it-the format change still cant erase his contextual fingerprints. Same old word salads, har har. Boston Blackie: Before reading Ayn Rand you should first read Old School by Tobias Wolfe. Gives a pretty good analysis of the cult that surrounded her; the Andy Warhol of the literary set. Thought Fountainhead was better than Atlas Shrugged, but if you are past your teens they may both seem irrelevant. The one I would recommend you read is her last …
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If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you You're probably stoned And they all know it too! Another good post David-but this was my redeux of Kipling's first stanza after seeing it played out over the years. Always thought that leaf on your flag looked familiar-you Canucks! Civil? As in civil war? If you can get these guys to interact politely with one another you should stop wasting your time here. Your talents are much needed in Israel and Iraq. "If you can dream and not make dreams your master..."? …
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Papa Theo wrote: [quote]One should not be surprised in the least to learn the military drugs detainees. It has done the same to its own soldiers. [insert-not a fraction of what its soldiers do to themselves] (See the 1994 report by the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs, Is Military Research Hazardous to Veterans Health? Lessons Spanning Half a Century.) Its appalling, really. [/quote] [Shocked. Shocked I say! Heres a thought. Ever get sodium pentathol at the dentist? Quite a nice high actually, and it does remove barriers to things one normally wouldnt say; like "hey Doc, any chance I can …
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Blondemike recently wrote:[quote]RP, your statement about me is totally false and libelous. Better give proof or retract. Your a lowlife, granted, that still doesn't give you a right to invent lies.[/quote] Ah Mike. Sad how memory slips away with time. I cant even remember when my blonde hair turned gray, or where it was I mentioned you being in the employ of a psychiatric institute as an experiment to see if people could be goaded into a therapeutic expunging of their hostility by engaging with a troll that was really a mole, online. But I did find the [url=http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/discuss/2979/]thread[/url] where you …
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Great post Mike! And if truth be told I think you are being modest. Now for all of your desciples out there who just havent realized yet how inportant you are to them, I would like to propose my own poll. And in addition to the mini-bio in your last post, I would ask others to name one other user that has been as open about sharing his real identity! Who do you believe Blondemike really is? A: The multi-dimensional Sage of Oakland whos Gonzo stye is the main draw to this site. B: An unsung hero in the struggle to …
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Sigh Sad to have your messages first replies be part of our ongoing comedy of errors here, but for a new user such as myself its nice to get a glimpse of the people behind the scenes at ITT. While I would like to ask about changes you have witnessed in the quantity and quality of participation by posters here, but I dont want to put you on the spot. Just curious about insights from one with the long view. Joel I would like to express my gratitude for your contribution in making this site possible. I have read a lot …
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Hardly surprising. What is in fact a real national security issue is exposing the public to the true historical modus operandi of our government. Bush and the Neo-cons didnt start all this subterfuge and manipulation, nor will it end with them. Remember, Big Brother not only controls the media, he also runs the opposition and infiltrates the rebellious to the point of skewing and directing their dialogue. Can you feel it?
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Theo-you just made a post that was completely on topic!! Are you allowed to do that here? So off the ITT tempo to be on topic. Anyway I enjoyed your comments but recognize David's (Hannibal) literary and ideological fingerprints all over it. And since you've made me feel guilty about using a anonymous screen name, 'Hannibal,' I'd say it was better than using phony ones and sock-puppets ranting about lauging at yourself. Well, I'll have more to say about all this soon, but from now on will always sign off with my real name so I can't be accused of misrepesenting …
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LB-wait a minute-having fun with it? Does this mean you’re not really the girl in that Myspace link? Does David know? Please tell me that was the genuine you and your not just another old man sitting around this digital woodstove. Perhaps Theo is the one being disingenuous here. Heard a rumor his real name is Maurice, and he lives in a villa on the island of Spetses in southern Greece and plays the Godgame in cyberspace. Where did you get the idea he was in Norway? He doesn’t sound cold or depressed to me, and that’s a Greek flag-no icicles. …
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Boys, I think I cracked the code!! It’s elizaazile, an interactive program based on the legendary “Eliza” software that supposedly exceeds the expectations of the Turing Test. Rumor has it they have gone online with it, and the software has successfully fooled users all over cyberspace into thinking they were having a discussion with a real person. Where Theoborg tipped his hand was in the post where he kept going on about being a real person. Follow my deconstruction below. [quote] The ironic double whammy in this thread is just fantastic. Imagine discussing the peculiarities and problems of being in any …
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Really disappointed this thread has petered out. So much insight could be gained by examining the very medium that connects us. Increasingly, for many of us, it will become our primary social context. I have many thoughts on this phenomenon, but why take the time if it is basically an exercise like reading a story to your computer to initialize some voice recognition software. It has to be done, but is a chore; not the connection we seek with other BiOSs'. (Biological Operating System) Imagine along the lines of Asimov's The Last Question and Herr Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse Five. There is just …
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Wow-the Magus is back! Have to get busy on my pirate tale for David. Beware the Waiting Room or Beware of Geeks Bearing Grifts will likely be the title, but it tis a long and convoluted story to tell, mateys, so I will have to send it in later. Part of the problem piecing it together is that the menu keeps changing my course. Thats how it goes with recursive loops Theo, unlike the functions. At times it can be quite difficult to tell where you are in relationship to the vortex. Perhaps I shall post more about how this works …
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A polly on me shoulder, twill now me translator be Ill speak no more, of ancient pirate lore As LB does it better than me!!! So let me UL sum 2k+ lingo dudes. I shall take you on a mini-tour, like the summary on a books jacket-of some aspects of the whole subject that havent been covered. Not surprising as a parody of the topic has taken most of this thread. And so it goes. So I shall start by defining my names purpose and function. Hang on. Recursion is a process where the very steps that construct it call for …
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The pirate speaks,"thanks for t' link David. wish I had this some time ago on a certian pirate ship in cyberspace. And what be PS for recursive, eh? Can ye scaby scurvey doges tell me dat? If I see some signs o' interest in me last post I'll do a follow up, but otherwise just some further thoughts on this subject. " Sad some of the observations I have made last 6 months playing cyber-anthropologist. Lot of potential in the metaverse, but like these infernal thinking machines we must use to enter it we are just at the genesis threshold. …
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Ahoy Mateys- Bin meanin ta git this off for days now, but have been busy wit me hand in annudder sock I be, and tis all the PS yll be hearin from me! Papa T-aka Theo-aka Maurice-thanks so much for actually taking the time to read that rather strange thread I posted a url for here earlier. It is way off course right now, but hopefully the entree will make a great dessert. As Ive stated, if you want to get a complicated message across to a large group of people, best to weave it within an intriguing yarn. It is …
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Mike-I got into a debate with another well know user here a while back as to whether or not you had a sense of humor. Thanks for again proving me right. Still laughing at an image I conjured up of you getting dressed up to go online. It was a replay of Lee Marvin getting into costume before the show-down with his evil twin from Cat Ballou. I still laugh thinking about it. David: another intriguing insight: doing is being; makes it real. Been there, done that! To misrepresent ourselves online, wouldnt we first have to know who we really are? …
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Mike, its gotten so bad even my imaginary friends won't talk to me any more. Afraid the jigs up Master. I went a little over the top with my praise-I think comparing you with Socrates was biggest mistake-and now all realize I am but another of your sockpuppets. Jack and Eric and Theo and I just sit round the stove playing solitaire now-talking to ourselves as we flip the cards of time.
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Thanks Mike. I wrote a long reply here but forgot to save it and once again it was lost. This site has the worst software set up I've seen in cyberspace!!!
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I wonder if there's any hope of reviving this thread? I had such hopes for it. I think an examination of online mindsets is a truly semminal topic for these forums, and of particular interest to me. Hi KFZ-read some of the above and make a brilliant reply that will bring back Theo. I suspect he may in fact be the Magus. Either that or.....Kaiser Sose??!!....
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Yo, Theo and David. Great. So now I should wonder if Theo is also KFZ, or is this all just a coincidence? Wait until I finally finish writing all this up. Those capable of following this convoluted tale will be astounded; both of them. An unholy trinity? Sober up, Theo. Ethanol does nothing to enhance perception-try some good hash. In the long run that doesnt really help either but at least does in the short term. Youre already way past 19 anyway, when more brain cells start dying then are being created. Tick Toc. Papa T It was your hilarious confusion …
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I had totally forgotten about this thread, my all time favorite on ITT. Looks like this was a sort of peak period though. The forum has really slowed down since then. I think ITT should try and get some of the long time users to post some articles-like Luminous Beauty, WTH, Theo, and what ever happened to Blonde Mike? Nobody will likely see this message as it's now deep in the archives. One big improvement would be for replies to older topics to become visible with a new reply, as many other sites do.
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Robert Beal makes 2 good points regarding the oil contracts and the issue of Euros for oil, the latter probably more responsible for the war in Iraq than any other single factor. Two links below go to William Clark pre-war analysis for both Iraq and Iran. There are other excellent links there to other articles also. As always, just follow the money. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html Its interesting to note that while Shiite Muslims are only about 20% of all Islam, they are concentrated in the gulf. It has occurred to me that part of the strategy in Iraq is that after we …
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Glad to see were staying on the 'high road' here, and right on topic. This is the Chomsky thread, yes? I took a senior level course in transformational grammar; back in university during the 60s when it was in the seminal stages. It was a poor introduction to this multidimensional thinker, and little remains-clearly-except certain insights from his discourses on language structure. His political writing would later give voice to unspoken thoughts I had developed over the years. His mental acuity is so far beyond my own that trying to really analyze his work would have taken a lifetime of study. …
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Thanks Michael-though I find your thoughts enigmatic as always. Regarding the Jewish intellectuals being a small portion of the total population, my point above is that there are a far higher percentage of intellectuals in this tribe than any other. Conversely, the Palestinians have the highest birthrate and lowest literacy rate (the two usually go together) of all the Islamic groups. If titles are what matter, many in Mexico had deeds to property we commandeered long ago. Of course they also took the land from the natives of the migration 11 thousand years earlier, who had appropriated it from the pre-Clovis …
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Live and learn. I'm trying to recall where I read that the literacy rate in Palestine was lowest in Arab world-maybe it was iliteracy rate?-but at any 'rate' I stand corrected. Perhaps the Jews learned a few things from Goebbels also? I tend to view most things quantitatively, but we are all influenced by the propaganda that bombards us from countless directions. I definitely agee that stereotypes generally contain some elements of truth, and that it's a slippery slope when we imprison people for their beliefs. As I hold the Jews in such high regard, I also worry that if some …
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Oh you kids! But David, you hafta admit it is 'quality entertainment,' and informative at the same time. Mike seems to be in the zone lately, and it reminds me of watching "All In the Family" years ago. There were times when ol Archie cleverly made a point that resonated, and reminded you there was plenty of irony to go around. Opposing viewpoints always include elements of truth. All axiomatic propositions contain elements that are not consistent with their own logic. In a way I feel Mike has provided me with a dope-slap I needed. My view of Israel has long …
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Mike-I know you have posted a lot on this topic in cyberspace, but if there is any particular link that you could endorse that includes a comprehensive summary of your viewpoint I'd like to read it so plese post a link. I plan to check out some authors you mention here today at the library. Cabby-I would like to see some links to the papers you mention in your replies. Surprised you would give up so many ‘debate points’ at the end of your post for a gratuitous insult, when Mike managed to stay on topic without resorting to them. If …
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Cabby-I truly love your image of me. I would make the switch in a second, orange hair and all. Sadly, my problem is from the other end of the spectrum-early onset dementia. I dont even remember how long ago it was I read Shirers Third Reich, but I recall wondering about the level of conjecture involved, and sensitivity to possible concerns of the victors. You didn't mention my query about the Hess flight, and the fact that all those files on that episode have yet to be released. How much else might be being held back we are not even aware …
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David-didnt get on the train, sigh. My modem couldn't catch up with it. Mike-I thought for a moment there I was going to again stand corrected, about Szasz being Jewish. It has happened so often after reading much about a certain topic I would come upon someone far above the rest and later learn they were Ashkenazi, I have in a few cases assumed incorrectly this was the case. I found several mentions that Szasz was born Jewish, but to also read an interesting article about its influence on him from another doctor who knew him for 40 years, [url=http://www.psychotherapy.net/products/articles/detail.php?id=263]here[/url] is …
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Mike-you named the classic 3 races, though I believe they soon added Australian Aborigines as they couldn’t explain many discrepancies between them and Negroids. Anyway, this concept goes back a couple centuries, and as I said has no science behind it. You even said Jews were a race, when initially you named 3. Malaysians, Mestizos, Mulattos, Hungarians, Finns, all defy such lumping into even 10 groups. Look at the difference between Iraqis and Chinese. Grouping all these ethnic tribes as Asians, or French and Scotts as Caucasians, would be problematic at best, and of limited use. Re: the Murrow question, I …
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Ah David, one of the rare evolved Christians, eh? I see I again stand corrected and you have been exposed to different cultures. Did you truly find the two to be the same? Certainly there are many shared traits between individuals of all tribes. But when you zoom out to the larger view, some stark differences appear. As you may have noticed, I try and quantify reality to the best of my limited abilities. When I look at the numbers for our indigenous populations, it seems they are the most handicapped in coping with the rapid changes thrust upon them. It …
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David-agree with and have often mentioned the flaw in logic you mention and of course now new DNA techniques have proven we have executed/convicted quite a few innoscent men. But... Our prisons are overcrowded, our medical system overwhelmed, our debt cycle continues. No one even has a theory about deal with the growing number of obstacles confronting us. Like explaining to India, China, and the rest of the developing world our mutual environment wont accommodate others to cross over the same tech bridge to the good life that we did. We debate using the death penalty as if it were the …
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Good final post WTH, but doubt it will give a reprieve to this topic. Care to define a few of those limiting adjectives? Lewd did I live, evil I did dwel? Language is so ambiguous. Ask Ludwig. Where are the digital Babel fish when we need them? We are all on the death row, but bet many would rather bail. While we discuss it, the lifeboat is sinking. Easy to maintain denial of problems that defy solution with flights of fancy. Life is a zero sum game, and even the winners wont get out alive. -arpie
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Just wanted to express kudos to some of the posters on the pro Chavez side of this discussion. Comparisons with Castro Are meaningless; he didnt have any oil. Yet despite being cut off from Soviet aid in the 90s and being boycotted and plotted against by the worlds most powerful nation, go to the World Health Organization website and look at all the numbers. Cubans have the same life expectancy as in U.S., and by all measurable health standards live better and have higher levels of education than 95% of all Latin Americans. Chavez and his oil money will enable populist …
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Hola, essays! Great bi-lingual homonym for the many here interested in el sur and love writing. Ive had time since yesterday to truly peruse this long thread and others, and see per usual I missed a lot. Premature articulation strikes again. Hard to know where to start, so guess Ill go with easy stuff. LB, Im now far more curious about what your story is than JC, who like his initial namesake apparently has the capability of rising from the dead via an unholy trinity such as mentioned by RH-great reply by the way. And while I do view the world …
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Aha! I see my attempt to post earlier-even after I shortened it-somehow just didnt go through so Im adding a few comments to the last paragraph of that reply, which was in original post before I learned of character limitations. While waiting to see if it just took time to for my comments to process, I Googled our Luminous one. Very impressive, and I think its safe to assume thats not our LB that goes by this same name on Myspace. (hehe) Surprised one of the trolls hasnt posted a link here. LB, if you have a blog somewhere I didnt …
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OK-this is second time my post didnt go through. My main question was whether Jay is same guy who heads MPC? If so, kudos on articles in computer world on privacy. Have you ever read Edmundo Paz Soldan's Turing's Dilemma? Its in English now if you dont grok Spanish. He is a IT guy who grew up in Bolivia. Our history in this hemisphere speaks for itself, but its instructive to see it from the perspective of those who emerged from under our heel. Afraid its payback time now, and my better side cheers them on. Face it Jay, the left …
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Jay-would really appreciate an answer to my question about you being the Jay Cline at MPC. If yes, you would be one person that surely wouldnt need to worry your activity online biting him. LB has already pointed out where your statement about all the media being controlled by the opposition was a misinterpretation. Turns out my daughter has a documentary video-The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, done by a crew that went down there to do a piece about Venezuela and were at the Presidential Palace filming all through the coup. As the title suggests, all the major stations failed …
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LB-do you happen to know if Jay is THE Jay Cline? If so, he might well be looking at you as you type with the new Google Alpha Satellite. (Joking of course) Feel guilty about calling him a troll. I clicked the link I believe the Major posted on the wiki-terminology for such, and had thought a troll was someone with a contrary viewpoint to those a site was established to serve. So, unless you know things I dont about anyone contending he is employing sockpuppets here, any troll assignation would seem inaccurate at best. If he does in fact have …
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LB-"I don't know if our Jay-Jay is ‘the’ Jay Cline, but I sometimes do have strange things happen to my computer when we’re going at it. Hmmm?" That's a rather paranoid reaction to what was most likely just a coincidence, and I bet it goes right into your file. Loved your quote-Rajneesh, was it? So much catching up to do and I even misread the Tracy/Hepburn role play you and Jay have got going on. You kids! Amazed by your link-thanks for posting it. Would have never thought to check that article, and wish there was a way to go directly …
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Of all the malignant viruses in memospace, the omnipotent god and his true offspring memetics remain the most virulent and contagious issues. I support Dawkins wholeheartedly in his attempt to lead the scientific charge against all such superstition. There are no theists in Tierra.
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Now that Ive had time to read a lot more of the posts on this site, my thoughts regarding it are far more discombobulated than when I began. How I wish there was some system in place where one could send private messages to ask some questions of other users here, though such venues also have huge drawbacks. The best explanation Ive encountered regarding the widespread success of the god meme came from Desmond Morris, another Zoologist. (something tells me its all happenin, at the zoo) In his first book The Naked Ape, he explains that most primate groups are quite …
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Remember the Kilgore Trout plot about how mankind’s true genesis was the result of an alien spaceship ‘seeding’ the brighter apes with the gene that could enable them to procreate beyond the limits of their environment? It was sort of the same way we create fish farms. When the population reached about 12 Billion they would return and begin the harvest of top-of-the-food-chain protein. Seems the message they left about “serving mankind” had been misinterpreted. It would explain our obsession with sex and myopic view of the future. Guess what BASMOQPNx3 is a mnemonic for, David. Lordy, I hate getting old. …
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Thanks LB. I will save the answer to what the mnemonic stands for to give David a chance to weigh in, as he is in a 'position' to grok it. I find I must rely on such in my dotage, and even came up with something I called "pentamnemonics." In was on "Word Spy" all last year, but didn't make the cut into neology. It works for me with long lists of data to be downloaded into the wetware using my 5 fingers as a kind of abacus. My usual example is "NlncisJgai." Rolls right off the tongue, doesnt it? It …
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LB-a couple add-ons to my last reply regarding hope and faith. Like most words pertaining to the human condition, they are as ambiguous as the humans they attempt to describe. This is merely my rendition. Hope makes a good breakfast but poor supper! A great line fro Tom Jones. We have faith the sun will come up in the morning, so we spend little time hoping it will. When something such as life beyond what our biology has on offer is the subject, we spend much time thinking about it. It is something totally beyond our level of experience, and so …
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Quoting ourselves, are we Mikey? Either you or HJ used the asperin line before. Matter of fact I live in California, but the mountains I referred to were from Thomas Wolfe's novels, not the ones here. Doubt you ever read him. Lots of that offensive 'verbiage' in his writing. Not surprising you keep your words short and simple, as you so often end up eating them. Here's a theory to add to the conspiracy theme that you help perpetuate on these threads. You and HI-jack are in fact both sockpuppets of LB! He uses you to show any opposition in the …
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LB-you knew if you created SPs with more panache we would have seen right away it was you. Didnt you used to post under the name Chappetto? Now another follow up reply by your untermench on irony. Talk about your recursive loops. You should have named him Mr. Fey. Think periodic table. A riot having him go on about muddy waters after all the mud hes dumped into our verbal stream. We truly are all Bozos on this bus.
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I for one would sure like to see this dialogue continue. I only started reading some of the 9/11 sites a few weeks ago, and find the discussion here very engaging. That site Rabbitt posted is still down, and it will take a while to digest Natalie's link. But ball is in your court, psikeyhackr-save us all some time and post links to the pages you can refute along with your rebuttal. I'm on the border with this one, and would like to be convinced one way or another. I got started with a new cell phone announcement that claims it …
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You have me confused here, Psi-I agree with Natalie's comment; you need to explain why you think the fact they didn't find any filing cabinents is so significant. I can't imagine what you're getting at with this. I went back to the first page and spent the last couple hours digesting the articles you posted the links on Natalie. They did a good job of making their case with all the pictures. I think part of the problem is we would all so love to have a 'smoking gun' to put BushCo out of business NOW! This said, there sure were …
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Apophenia and velocitization are 2 words that sum up my feelings about this topic right now. When I returned to this thread this morning and read Natalie's last comment, in conjunction with what I'd seen before from her links, I was convinced and ready to put this windmill behind me. My velocitized life allows very limited time for chasing them these days, and I'm running out of lances. Just as I had decided to chalk all this brouhaha up as apophenic “cherry picking," possibly by both sides, I went to check out Natalie's link concerning the cell phone calls. What happened …
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Then there was the call made by Mark Bingham, who I had heard of only in regard to the passenger attack on the hijackers and the fact he was gay. The answer your debunking site gave below sounded weak at first glance, as to why he would state his last name to his own mother, Alice Hoglan. He was her only child. Hoglan: Once in a while he would say that. He would call up, and he was, he was a young businessman, and used to, used to introduce himself on phone as Mark Bingham, and he was trying to be, …
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Natalie-just a short comment for now, but a much longer reply with many links is on the way. In going over past dialogues on this thread I realized to my astonishment I had somehow missed page 32 and the long final reply there by honestjoe. What an oversight! I really am starting to see a clear pattern here Natalie, of employing a primarily ad homenum approach in responding to most points made by the coincidental-overload theorist. I would really like to see you refute, point by point, the arguments presented by honestjoe in his last reply on page 32 without attacking …
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Natalie-are you avoiding my questions, or Honestjoe's, or both? Not like you, and again makes me wonder.
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Psik-no I have never taken a course in physics-high school drop out. I did, however, read the TAO of Physics. Does that count? I became interested in this subject when I came across Jones's paper on it, which I found convincing, as I have many of the excellent points you have made in this thread. Please continue sharing any insights, and holding Natalie's feet to the fire. Honestjoe-glad to see you back, and find the latest points you make right on, but not this topic. There is another thread-The Spoils of War-where it would perhaps be more apropos. This said, there …
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Natalie-I posted an earlier reply regarding the 9/11 posts by Joe and some questions you didnt reply to re: the cell phone calls, but it disappeared. Happens here on ITT. Rather than rewrite it, I would like to pose a couple more philosophical questions. After reading your latest replies and Joes, I see the futility of arguing even possibly disputable facts. Joe and Psik have far more to share in that regard anyway. Do you believe that this government would never sacrifice any citizens in the name of national security? It would allow 3 thousand soldiers to die but not ANY …
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First, let me apologize for intruding into what appears to be a private conversation. I will continue to browse this thread but not interrupt any more. I will leave a couple more questions to go unanswered though, on my way out the door. Joe, in the last couple days I have become almost as curious about your agenda as I am Natalie’s. Is all this to be included in a planned article/book? Why haven’t you just posted links to much of this? Do you in fact know Natalie’s identity, and have proof she works for some government linked entity? Perhaps then …
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Joe-thanks for the reply, and for all your efforts. I will write a longer post with some questions tomorrow. I figured what you stated was probably where you were coming from, but was curious as to why you posted so much here when I doubt many visit this site, and suspect most already agree with you. What do you think of Psik’s points about the concrete? I mentioned the links as I have read sites before like you just posted, and wondered why you re-pasted it all here. And yes, I have read most of the last 34 pages and have …
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Joe and Natalie: my favorite ITT debaters. You have to admit she really is clever, Joe. Far more than I, and I suspect even you. Have to tell you she is winning overall. Hard to explain why,but 2 big reasons pop out. She is incredibly adept at dialectic, though the effect is weakened by repeated and totally irrelevant ad homs. And 2, there are a few serious flaws I see in Faiths conjectures. I have never encountered your argument regarding their motives. They surely could have drawn us into a desired-for many possible reasons-war in the Mideast with a smaller attack …
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Ah Natalie, such a bright lass you are. You caught my circular ad homenum right away. Been years since I studied logic. I’m weak on the intricacies. I agree there are a lot of personal attacks all over this site, and hope you realize I truly am a fan of yours. Do I believe you work in some way, on whatever level, for me and my tax dollars? Yes, I still strongly suspect that, but perhaps it is but wishful thinking. If only our taxes could always reap such value in terms of the competence of those they employ. [quote] Again, …
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Hi Joe—I truly do admire your tenacity in bringing this matter to public attention, and as I myself still harbor some doubts I will be happy to serve as a John Q. Public that has yet to decide. But as you can see reading my posts, I am skeptical. Are you familiar with the word apophenia? Surprised Natalie hasn’t used it. Wiki has a good definition, and I think it is quite possible this phenomenon is at play within the Faith community. With an event as complicated an far reaching as 9/11, there is bound to be a large number of …
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Joe-sorry about my brainfart last night; I was tired, and with all the talk of the 08 election was thinking this WAS 08! Sorry. So much data overloading my waning wetware. However when I saw my error I did read the more recent articles. I have to tell you, I seriously question the Faith strategy of posting page after page of supporting speculation, however compelling. It would make sense on sites for the scientific and engineering communities, but not ones such as this. I think you need to work on an effective summary of this info for the general public. Just …
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Natalie-Other obligations will delay my full reply, but let me say I was somewhat surprised-thought you were older. Now the innocence of your pooh-poohing our history makes me wonder. The talk of dictator installations-like the Shah-is indicative of the corrupt mindset of our government. And there have been countless examples-ask some of the few remaining older citizens of Nevada-where it has sacrificed it’s own in the name of the greater good. I asked you before why this would not be acceptable, and you didn’t reply. It all speaks to the distrust that accumulates over time. Can you really trust a government …
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Oh Natalie-Ive always known what was going on in Reagans head; next to nothing! Ever see a show from back then called the Dukes of Hazard? It was Ronnie Ray-guns favorite show, and that alone speaks volumes if you ever saw it. I fear you’ve been reading the wrong history books. And no, my remark about your youth would go under Argument from Experience, but a fallacy nonetheless. (And for most women a compliment as well, logic aside) Freedom, Natalie? My you ARE an innocent. (there I go again, as the man who gave missiles to Iran to kill children in …
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Joe-no time now but just had to get off quick supportive comment. This is a GREAT start to what I had in mind re: condensing the points. One of mine: I found the closing argument very compelling at first, but on further reflection I wonder if anything close to this situation had occurred before? It would help this very well done closing argument immensely if you could show other explosions in steel structured buildings where equal or better still higher temperatures were reached. More asap.-Arpie Yowsers! Ok-my turn for quick edit--return to original that I got in email-MUCH better-and add the …
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Natalie and Joe: Well done! You two are back in the zone today, and Joe I think you’ve made a real comeback lately; I would definitely declare you the winner of this page. Your presentation is still WAY too data rich, but you have started down the path of not allowing Natalie to cherry pick your points for rebuttal, and bringing her back to unanswered questions. Joe-I’m involved in some other projects right now or I would love to join you in taking N to task. If I were you I would go back over your exchanges for the last 2 …
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Joe-I think you need to stop getting down to the nuts and bolts here. You are making a very sophisticated, big picture argument, and for whom? I really dont get it. What you should be posting are just links and basics. I wouldnt really be surprised if the 3 of us are the only ones reading this thread. You need to compile all this and send it to not just to NIST but the various Congressional committees that looked into all this. I wish I could talk to you for 5 minutes-have a lot to say but little time for additional …
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Just a quick note-its late. Somethings amiss with the auto-email on the server here as I havent received any on any of the topics I follow here. As I couldnt believe you two would go this long without having at one another so I came to check. Will reply to your last post to me soon, Natalie, and funny, but as you mention it and I see all that has been written/pasted here since I last looked in I DO wonder about Joe also. You two should get together somewhere and have this debate in person. I sense an electricity between …
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Bong Bong! There's the bell, end of Round 7. I definitely give this round to Natalie. Her impressive footwork is all the more amazing considering its her lovely hands that earn her living. And she certainly used them to her advantage here, with adroit counter punches to Joe's (Palooka Joe?) roundhouse style. Tap dancing around the ring, her precise, repeated jabs to Joe’s midsection (a few below the belt) have taken their toll. Unless Joe can connect with a serious blow to the body of Natalie’s appeal to authority, I think he's had it in this refs opinion. Most fighters in …
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Bong! Round 8 is a draw. Joe lost serious points for going so far off topic, Natalie for following his feints and for sarcastic ad hom shots. Both lost major points for ignoring referees instruction to look forward, and neither responded to his question about testing the steel NOW. The residue would still be there, so why would you both ignore a possible path to a knockout punch? Think both fighters are trying to just stay on their feet until the final bell, sports fans, continuing on rote and not wanting to be the one to throw in the towel. Same …
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[quote]Yes, there are still some folks watching this discussion. Except that now I observe because I am astounded that this could go on as long as it has. I no longer read entire postings of honestjoe, he has already made a convincing arguement months ago and Natalie ..[/quote] Xyptol-Thanks for letting me know I’m not the only one still watching. Unlike you I remain unconvinced, but am definitely leaning way back to my original possible but very unlikely opinion. Sadly this means I must still quickly scan all Joes new posts in case he comes up with new facts or experts …
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[quote] All they would have had to do is complete the tests and that would have stoped all the screaming for a real investigation but they wont. why?[/quote] Ah Joe. You just handed Round 9 to Natalie unless you can come up with something better. Let me answer your above question for her. (with your permission, N) Because if they (Faith) won’t accept the results from the partial tests, theres no reason to expect they would accept any tests that didn’t prove their point. Any experts you can site that have looked at NISTs test results that think there is reason …
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[quote]Since 9/11 people have asked that it be done but they refuse. Even when the money for the test has been offered to pay for it.[/quote] Did you edit this in Joe. Links that mention this offer, and gov. refusal? [quote]Limited Metallurgical Examinationâ€, shows evidence of explosives used, by way of photographs, microscopic, and chemical examination.[/quote] This is conjecture posing as fact, Joe. Who exactly says it shows evidence of explosives? What is their background/bona-fides? Links, m'boy, gimme links with credible sources. I want to believe Joe, but not being of the 'Faith' movement-wow just realized I've been calling you guys …
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Just sent some questions as edit to my last reply then realized you might not see them. If you were so inclined what I'd like to see is your top ten people with acknowledged expertice in these fields and their ed/exp. background sumary. I can tell you I grew up in Jersey, and Bucknell is Podunct East. Ask yourself why more of the mainstream hasn't picked up on any of this. I admit a bias from the start. After being impressed by Jones paper I asked my ultimate source to the world of science news/analysis, and he said the whole movement …
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Natalie-quick question from a newbie-I have read these debates about the time frame before and dont quite understand how there can be any doubts about the time frame. It was all filmed by countless cameras, so how can there be questions about the elapsed time on the fall?
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Bong bong! Round 9 to Natalie, and likely the match. Her great footwork and few well aimed counter punches did less harm than Joe did to himself swinging at shadows. First, I thought this was agreed? [quote] Natalie said; The steel wasn't tested for explosive residue because nobody had the slightest suspicion that explosives were used.[/quote] [quote] recursive prophet The steel has been tested a few times and the government (NIST) did not like what was found so they chose to ignore it as another unexplainable phenomenon that does not matter to the investigation![/quote] I replied:[quote] Cooper-seems he’s been leading guy …
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[quote] So Arpie it seems that what matters to you is who the scientist him/herself is and not their work. You should care more about the quality of their work and not who you think has better pedigree or if they went to an Ivy League college or not.[/quote] Joe, I give up. You're never going to get it. As I stated before, I am NOT qualified to judge the quality of their work. Are you? Have a doctorate in Physics, Math, or Chemistry you haven't told us about? I haven't any relevant expertise in these subjects, but I do know …
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Joe-It was a hell of a scrap, and I give you many kudos for hanging in there with so much working against you. Think you really should stay involved in uncovering misdeeds by our government; just pick one of many where there is more consenus. This was a lost cause from the start Joe, but if you are determined to keep at it you need to get some focus. Like the offer for paying to have steel tested. Congress now can take on some issues they couldnt just 4 months ago, and unless Truth can come up with something really solid-that …
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Natalie--don't reply. This is the loop I came in on. Why waste any others time looking into all this? I was intrigued by the Jones article, but would have likely figured it out faster without following up on all the links Joe posted. If no one replies, he will hopefully stop also and maybe even move on to a more productive task. So many misdeeds go uncovered, his energy and passion would be welcome. Dont be baited!! Joe-I didnt want to hurt your feelings earlier, nor now. But I really think you just repeat the same things over and over without …
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Hi Joe and Natalie. Just dropped in to see if you guys were still at it. No surprise you are. Joe, you make some good points regarding the Saudis and Cheney's background. You really should stick with that path and forget about the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense. Again I remind you the bad guys in our government couldn't kill Fidel in 17 attempts yet you think they could have orchestrated a cover-up of something like 9/11? And Natalie, I am amazed you still play your part in this farce. If I come back in 2 months will this insane dialogue still be …
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