"In his book Irresistible Revolution, 30-year-old author Shane Claiborne, who is currently living in Iraq to “stand in the way of war,” asks evangelicals why their literal reading of the Bible doesn’t lead them to do what Jesus so clearly told wealthy and middle-class people to do in his day: give up everything to help others." Jesus also commands him to kill all those who will not accept him as their king(Luke 19:26-27). Why isn't he doing that? Because like all Christians he cherry picks. If you want to be Christian, you are required to believe all of it without question. …
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[quote]We should let go of stereotypical thinking and accept that not all Christians are of the Robertson/Falwell ilk. Some actually embrace the doctrine of Love your neighbor as you love yourself, the Beatitudes, and the Sermon on the Mount. We would all do well to accept that all humans are flawed and not as perfect as we think ourselves to be. [/quote] That doesn't change the fact that they enable the Robertsons of the world by encouraging their fairy tales as reality, and making questioning their faith a social faux pas. Just because they do not practice those aspects of their …
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"That includes the religion of communism and its first cousins, liberalism & socialism" Communism installs the party as your new god, and that you should suffer for, and serve your god. It's no different from theistic religions in most respects. The only reason it's "atheistic", is that like all religions it hates competition. If you look at Soviet era laws andstructure, you'll find that Communism, like all dictatorships is a conservative movement, based on totalitarianism, suppression, and control by force. It uses socialism as a camoflauge, nothing more. Liberalism and socialism are nowhere close, as has been well demonstrated by our …
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[/quote]The Prospects For Liberty by Murray N. Rothbard, downloable at the lewrockwell.com website. Don’t bother recycling that old Comrade Nymp Chimsky bullcrap about socialism never being tried, it has been in all the Communist countries and has failed there as well as in the welfare police states of western Europe where you go to prison for questioning the holocaust conventional version. Religion is an evil but not all evils are religious though communism-socialism, both based on identical Marxian premises is a religion too. [/quote] Considering that all the communist countries are ruled by an elite class, who lives a life of …
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[quote]Mister Pooh Pooh Pants, I agree with Szasz, another libertarian, on psychiatry, so I’ll decline your kind suggestion above. I have already identified Rothbard on several different threads here so I think people are free to ignore your ASSertions and read him directly. I never voted for Bush and have no desire to conserve the present statist-collectivist disorder, so as usual your remarks are way off base. [/quote] You're conservative, an anarchist and insane. Of course you don't want to get mental help, very few mentally ill people do. I have read Rothbard, extensively. You are a sociopath, just like he …
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"Western Europe is a total failure and the last grasp of you statists now that all your Commie paradises have been totally discredited. Read Rothbard and learn something but being who you are I realize that may not be possible" Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Bush voter and conservative poster child. Rothbard, for those who don't know is the father of anarcho-capitalism, or as most people like to call it today, "libertarianism". The celebration of greed and practiced sociopathy where no one matters but yourself Get mental help. Sociopaths are dangerous to everyone. Negligence and deliberate inaction is harming …
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So now we've established that you're an anarchist,bigot, sociopath, probably scientologist, and holocaust denier Let's look at your handle, "blondemike" Hmm, where do all those things come together? I'm willing to be money our friend has at least one swastika tattooed on him somewhere.
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Yes, because a bigot is always the LAST one to blame it on the Jews Pray tell, what is the difference between a revisionist and a denier? Are you just claiming that not as MANY died? If it looks like a Nazi, smells like a Nazi, probably is one. I'm sure you're quite proud of your pure Aryan heritage right?
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"{No gas chambers, no systematic extermination, Frank existed but Diary a fraud, maybe 1 million Jews died of all causes in Europe during WW2 and I can refer you to several works if your interested" Oh give me a break. You're going to cite me Fred Leuchter's covert trips to the death camps, on the dime of Ernst Zundel, a criminal holocaust denier currently serving 5 years in jail for his lies Leuchter had no idea how to test for cyanide. The man is simply someone who stumbled into maintaining and building execution machines, and has no clue when it comes …
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It's all the zionist conspiracy, right Nazi?
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Do you even know what socialism means? I'd like you to define itfor us in your own words to show you actually understand it
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So in other words you have absolutely no idea what it is, and immediately launched into your tirades written by your anarchist, sociopathic idols
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IF they're Christians, they are required to believe. Period They are delusional, muderous, and if they're that intellectually dishonest that they do not kill, murder and mame in the name of their god, they're completely untrustworthy as well. Love is not possible under Jehovah. You are only permitted to love your fellow believers. Read your bible, and not just the parts taht make you feel fuzzy. Questioning your bible means you lack faith, and you will be sent to hell You must believe blindly, and be delusional and dangerous to be a Christian. It's in the handbook. Deal with it, and …
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No matter what the good intentions are, they and you are enabling the Robertsons and Falwells by putting religion in that untouchable space Moderates give birth to and enable extremists. If there's no one around to delude their minds as children, the problem is isolated only to those who are biologically mentally ill in the first place
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Too bad for the Nazi there have been many physical signs, detectible by physical movements, CAT scans, EKGs, and brain chemistry analysis that are common only to people having mental disorders Go talk to a doctor, I'm sure he can tell you all about yourself
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You know, it's going to be entertaining to see exactly how many crazy nutcase references he's going to keep pulling out "I'm not a Nazi, I have a jewish wife, but I blame everything on Jewish conspiracy and name myself "blondemike" So let's see Mike. I'll be happy to go to court with you where you can prove all of your "facts", and I'll bring reality and the experts. You lose and you voluntarily commit yourself to a mental institution for a minimum of 6 months
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You can print that the sky is yellow all you want, it still doesn't make it any less blue Nazi
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[quote]WickyWoo, Jesus didn’t command anyone to kill. Luke 19:26-27 is not Jesus giving a command, it is a character in a parable he was telling. The parable was about his return on the day of wrath. Again, it is not a command for us today. [/quote] Sorry, it's Jesus giving the command to kill. All of his "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" only applys to thy JEWISH neighbor. People of other ethnic groups and religions were not considered "thy neighbor", which is why you must sell your daughters into slavery to somoene not of your tribe. And if …
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[quote]Jesus is not making a commandment there, any cursory glance at the text will show that. The only way to say he is making an order there is to forget all about basic reading comprehension. This is a character in a parable that makes the proclamation, not Jesus. What “other times” does Jesus do this directly? [/quote] See above. [quote] obviously don’t have time to go through centuries of theology, but you’re basically pulling random things out of context and forcing your own opinion into it. [/quote] No, this is the typical theist response. Scream OUT OF CONTEXT!, and then run …
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[quote]Wow, you know everything about me! Amazing! Yeah I totally hate everyone and I want to kill them! [/quote] You do if you're a good Christian [quote]Your message of reform and progression are given a backseat to venom spatting hate speech. You don’t change the world by calling them retarded (obviously you’re much more enlightened than anyone else - your ego betrays you). [/quote] Religion by its very nature cannot be progressive. You are given orders by the all-powerful creator of the universe, perfect in every way, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff. Do you dare to question his …
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[quote]Well, there weren’t “50 million witnesses” anymore than “six million victims” and no my sources have never been discredited but only denounced by people who have never read them[/quote] Sworn testimony, mountains of photographs, documents and everything else. You're done I think that if we got a time machine and put you in it, you'd just put on the uniform, herd people into gas chambers, and STILL deny it
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[quote]The “sworn testimony” has been totally discredited in the books that I have referenced. The “witnesses” were lying on a massive scale and contradicted each other[/quote] So if they're to be discredited, you'll be able to provide some fact checking by neutral collegues and historians ina formal scientific peer-review process All you've provided is a bunch of books by Nazis like you, who use the same sound scientific principals as the Creationists, cherry picking things that support your case while tossing out any evidence to the contrary. Let's go to court. You bring your guys, I bring mine. At stake, 1 …
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[quote]Furthermore the peer review process doesn’t work in the social sciences as it does in the physical sciences because the epistemological premises are different. History is not some lab where everything can be neatly quantified. So for instance if 99% of historians or philosophers or economists have a certain ideology and a dissident is presenting an alternative paradigm by your logic no progess would ever happen because the new theory would be ruled per se insane by your conformist logic[/quote] All science is peer-reviewed, and peer-reviewable. be it historical research or paleontology. The political leanings of the people can be researched, …
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[quote]Gordon McFee writes, “Revisionists depart from the conclusion that the Holocaust did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt them to that preordained conclusion. Put another way, they reverse the proper methodology” [/quote] Which is exactly how creationists work.
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[quote]Glock, I’ve read those documents and they do not “prove” any “holocaust” the very name meaning death by fire is a lie. At this point you need to read something other than the same shit you have already read. I’m saying there was never a holocaust, never a systematic attempt or conspiracy to murder the Jews of Europe, that the gas chambers for humans never existed, only ones for de-licing, that nowhere six million Jews died, doubtful if it was more than a million[/quote] "Only a million", and if you're going to pick nits that they didn't specficially die by fire, …
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So we'll do a judge and no jury is you're that worried about emotionalism. I'm real sure your wife is Jewish, just like people have "lots of black friends". I'm offering you a fair legal arena for you to prove your claims. If you are unwilling to accept it, then you need to withdraw your claims, or admit you have no actual peer-reviewed evidence to back up and you're just ufll of it. And if you really want to ge that technical, they burned a huge percentage of the bodies, enjoy your nitpick, or just call it what it was: Genocide …
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[quote]I’m not nitpicking and while in the last year they had to cremate many bodies because of the typhus epidemic it was not genocide. Hey, asshole, I never made a court claim to withdraw.[/quote] You made the claim that the holocaust was greatly exagerated and didn't happen. In Canada you could be put on trial for that and put in jail for spreading hate speech. And you just proved you listen to Michael Savage, the biggest bigot on the airwaves
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[quote]Hey, assholes, I have already responded to your nonarguments, why should I repeat myself ? Check out the refs I gave. WickyJoo, we’re not in Canada and as I wrote earlier the very fact that they are forced to imprison people for heretical thoughts shows the utter intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the “holocaust” exterminationists.[/quote] And you're lucky, because I'd have you in prison right now, or more likely a mental instutition. [quote]All of the documents & testimonies & pitchers not only contradict each other repeatedly but many are worthless and no the German govt has done nothing to even remotely …
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[quote]They are “deniers” because they are denying there was a holocaust. They’re not trying to “revise” the holocaust story, they’re trying to refute it and deny it ever happened. It’s the most correct term and at least one of your sources uses this term. [/quote] Basically it comes down to this: Faced with the mountain of evidence against them, they turned to revisionsim to try to put the blame on the victims and "Jewish conspiracies", instead of simply trying to deny it ever happened It's the same thing with creationists becoming "intelligent design"ers.
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[quote]By your wuzzy nonlogic atheists are god deniers because they are denying god. [/quote] That would be by anyone's logic moron.
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[quote]How can someone “deny” something that doesn’t exist ? WoozyJoo, did you ever take a course in formal logic ? I mean Aristotelian Logic. If something doesn’t exist, there is NOTHING to deny. [/quote] de·ny –verb (used with object), -nied, -ny·ing. [b]1. to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true: to deny an accusation. [/b] 2. to refuse to agree or accede to: to deny a petition. 3. to withhold the possession, use, or enjoyment of: to deny access to secret information. 4. to withhold something from, or refuse to grant a request of: to deny …
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He is amusing, does he hang out anywhere else? I figure one of his other personalities might be equally amusing. I'm sad that he'll sue the vet, but he won't come to court with me. Perhaps one of these days someone will go pay him a visit and take some pictures so we can all see what the little weasel is really like.
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[quote]You seem like a fairly reasonable Bright, but you have disappointed me in this one regard. When you were called on the fact that the quote you quoted from the Parable of the Talents wasn’t Jesus speaking for himself, but as the King in the story, you failed to take honest umbrage for your mistake and further compounded it with the ludicrous assertion that you didn’t think it was part of the story, anyway. If you’re going to complain about the speck in your neighbor’s eye, you should first remove the log from your own. It’s a question of intellectual honesty, …
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Ah, but I'm not insisting that it's the word of a divine omnipotent being, as all believers are required to do. Questioning your god is sin and blasphemy, it's right in the handbook. While you yourself may not make that claim, the requirement for you to believe without question, and to murder in his name all nonbelievers never changes Yahweh is also quite hot on the whole blood/burned sacrifice thing Check out my personal favorite, God's cure for mildew that he himself puts there just to piss you off Or don't read it, watch the movie instead http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5270224317741172046&q=corn+pone LEVITICUS 14:33 And …
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[quote]While your interpretation and cherry-picked examples of superstitious elements in the OT are not entirely without merit, you do so at the expense of other examples that apprehend sublime wisdom and understanding. You are separating the wheat from the chaff and taking the chaff. You are being even more literalist in your interpretation than even the most regressive Calvinist Fundamentalist. It would appear you have no understanding of metaphor and symbolic representation[/quote] The question should be: "WHy aren't you?". This is a book written by the divine perfect creator of the universe as a handbook to his supposed handpicked religion. Do …
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[quote]The word JEWISH is YOUR interpolation, your interpretation. The NT is not Jewish scripture. It is not what most Christians believe. It is only what you believe they should believe according to your interpretation. This is solipsism. You are again being intellectually dishonest and torturing reason to boot. Thrice have ye denied thine error. Time for the rooster to crow, eh? [/quote] Go call over to your local university and find a professor of anthropology. He'll tell you the same thing I don't care what they believe. What they choose to cherry pick and what they are required to believe are …
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[quote]Any anthropologist who has as non-objective and simple-minded a view of religion as you is a failure in his profession.[/quote] And anthropologist will confirm the isolationism of the tribes populating the area at the time. Remember, "thou shalt not murder, now go genocide the Caananites" [quote]Again, it is YOUR intellectual honesty and not that of religious folk with which I am concerned. We can discuss that when you have corrected the small errors in your argument which I have pointed out. Until then, your credibility is questionable. [/quote] There are no errors in my arguement. Are they or are they not …
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[quote]P.S. The OT is an historical document because it dates from approx 3000 years in the past, not because it is necessarily accurate. Analysis of such documents requires some depth of comparative understanding, which you obviously lack. [/quote] Bull. It's a colleciton of narratives by a jillion different authors, which is one of the reasons for the contradictions (like the 2 different creation myths) I've madea statement about cultural attitudes of the time, you deny it, I offered you a method to confirm what i said, and you don't want to hear it
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[quote]You still have yet to answer why you think getting rid of religion would solve anything. Human ambition seems to be much more harmful than religion[/quote] Because religion has an all-powerful bye, the questioning of millenia of tradition, and an all powerful being to back it up. You can defeat men, but not ideas, and the ultimate, societal faux paus to ever question is god. And people take an entirely different attitude, as a rule, with of course exceptions, usually far more compassionate and far more valuing of humanity and life when they realize when you're dead you're dead, and that …
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[quote]You still have yet to answer why you think getting rid of religion would solve anything. Human ambition seems to be much more harmful than religion[/quote] Because religion has an all-powerful bye, the questioning of millenia of tradition, and an all powerful being to back it up. You can defeat men, but not ideas, and the ultimate, societal faux paus to ever question is god. And people take an entirely different attitude, as a rule, with of course exceptions, usually far more compassionate and far more valuing of humanity and life when they realize when you're dead you're dead, and that …
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[quote]To recap, Jesus never made the explicit statement that all the contingent rules of Leviticus should be considered to have the legal force of the Commandments[/quote] MATTHEW 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 [b]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.[/b] 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in …
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Then why list 10 new commandments? Specifically 10 new ones? Don't forget, we're talking the same book with 2 seperate creation myths in the first few pages. (Lilith and Eve)
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[quote]It is true that Christians have (often, not always) fought against Jews, Jews have fought against Christians, Moslems have fought against Christians, Christians have fought against Moslems, Jews have fought against Moslems and Moslems have fought against Jews. They have all fought among themselves. From my perspective, they are all part of the same mono-theistic religion. They are all the children of Abraham. By entering into this religious fray, you are only stirring the pot by the addition of Atheists against Theists and vice versa. [/quote] Considering how long theist have been doing up to and including killing atheists for their …
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[quote]Not believing in God is a religious belief. It does not require a systemic philosophy to back it up. But atheists do apply systemic philosophy to substantiate their belief, anyway, don’t they? Even if they don’t all agree. Traditional religionists don’t all agree, either, do they? [/quote] re·li·gion –noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and …
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[quote]Yeah, definition 6. Live with it. [/quote] As I said, definition 6 does not apply to many, if not most atheists, and only those of us who see that we have to fight fire with fire against the theists. The other ones can continue to get run over by the theistic steamroller and demonized, I don't choose to go quietly to the gas chambers of marginalization.(bet Mikey will love that one), while ignorance and mental illness are celebrated and financed with public dollars. [quote]Not what I am trying to do at all. I am reasoning about why people cling to belief, …
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Sorry, they're different and contradictory For example: [b]First story, Humans made after animals, and man and woman created at the same time[/b] GENESIS 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over …
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[quote]Calling BS is making a claim. To say it is not is, once again, intellectually dishonest [/quote] Oh give me a break. Calling BS is saying "prove it". [quote]You are mistaking narrative order for temporal order. Not necessarily the same. [/quote] Read it again. It says God went from A to B to C to D and so on. It's very specific. For another example it specifically talks about when plants and humans are created GENESIS 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed …
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[quote]Please show me where the verses in Gen. 2 are explicitly stated to be in chronological order. I cannot find any such qualifiers. [/quote] It's in the bible The bible is literally true Questioning the perfection of its words is blasphemy That's what you're required to believe as a Christian. No interpretation is allowed, otherwise you lack faith and are going to hell. You're doing exactly what i'm taling about. You're attempting to apply rationality to the inherently and irreversibly irrational. Stop enabling lunatics.
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[quote]Any reading of any text requires interpretation. One must interpret it within the context of one’s own world view at the very least. Literalism is the irrational refuge of Fundamentalists. Not all Christians are Fundamentalists. It is irrational and intellectually dishonest for you to claim that no interpretation is allowed by Christians. [/quote] Fundamentalism is the only kind of Abrahamic religion there can be. You believe you were given orders by the all powerful, all knowing, all seeing creator of the universe. Obedience without question is right in the manual. Why do you think they burn, torture and murder so many …
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[quote]Actually, Wicky, I’m a ‘sitter’. Which means I practice mindfulness as taught by Siddhartha Gotama Shakyamuni, a human being. This does not mean I am a strict believer in Buddhist Doctrine or the Buddha, but follow the Buddha’s injunction to examine the mind as a gold assayer examines a sample of ore. With logic and reason and focused empirical observation, without preconceptions. [/quote] Good. Don't apply your religion to one that is completely the opposite though. Perhaps if you did more research into the actual texts and structure of Abrahamic religions [quote]As far as Objective Reality, as Mikey puts it, I …
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[quote]If this is true then Quaker, Univeralist, Unitarian, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, Sufism, Conservative and Reformed Judaism, and the large majority of Christian, Jewish and Moslem sectarian groups are not Abrahamic religion. How can this be? [/quote] Because they cherry pick, and edit out the parts they don't like in order to make it more palatable to actual human beings, and not a bunch of sheepherders 5000 years ago who got off on denying themselves sex and killing each other
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quote]Absolutely not. Christianity is what Christians say it is. Christian Doctrine is only in relation to Biblical text. [/quote] Did they create it? No Did an all-powerful, all wise being create it(supposedly) in order to instruct his creations with the correct path? Yes How dare they question a god that has specifically stated "Do what you're told without question, or suffer" [quote]Yes, there are something like Fundamentalist Buddhists, but you won’t learn much about them by reading Dawkins. If you’d like to know about the issues involved and how trivial they are compared to Abrahamic Fundamentalism I suggest you read the …
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[quote]Thinking and principled argument takes rigorous training in logic and rhetoric. Mathematics too, if you want to be anything more than a pedantic rationalizer. [/quote] I'm going to ask you a series of questions now that are one-word answers. Yes or no Is the Bible the handbook for Christians? Yes or No Is the Christian God the creator of the universe, supposedly perfect, all knowing and all seeing? Yes or No Does the Bible contain orders by God to commit genocide in his name? Yes or No Does the Bible contain actions and orders by God for horrible things, such as …
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[quote]As per your questions, they are not yes/no or even maybe. they are open to interpretation and nuanced differences in meaning for which you lack the most basic comprehension. You are over-simplifying and pre-judging according to your own assumptions. You are arguing by assertion. A logical fallacy. [/quote] No, I'm reading what it says, literally, as it is perfect in every way, because the being that wrote it is perfect according to said religion Again, you are applying logic and rationality to something that is completely illogical and irrational to its core. [quote]For your information, the Dalia Lama has renounced secular …
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[quote]No you are not. You are paraphrasing. Literally would mean you are quoting the text. But what I’ve said holds. You are not a Christian, ergo, you cannot presume to what any particular Christian believes, much less generically[/quote] Umm, Ive CONSTANTLY quoted the text. And yes I can, since they have published guidelines. Whether or not you decide to believe it has no effect on the truth of the matter. Now who's being intellectutally dishonest? [quote]The State Dept., through the CIA, partially helped fund the relocation of the Government in Exile in India. The funding of resistance fighters was as I …
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(scratch) INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST (scratch)INTELLECTUALY DISHONEST Considering that I keep proving what you say wrong, is that really all you've got left?
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[quote]You aren’t proving anything. You are asserting things are true without any more support than your own opinion.[/quote] Now you're just outright lying. I've linked to articles in the last 3 posts, which proved your claims demonstrably wrong and when I told you to go call an anthropologist you went off on something about them being partisan. Republican technique #34 again-Accusing others of the crimes you commit yourself. You're just as bad as they are, the worst part is that you convince yourself that you're just aggressively neutral, when in reality what you really hate is negativity
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[quote]Given: Wicky thinks all Christians believe the Bible is literally true. Given: Many Christians do not believe the Bible is literally true. Ergo: What Wicky thinks is false. [/quote] Ergo, you misrepresent my repeatedly stated positions Given- All Christians are required to believe the bible is literally true Given- Most of them don't and instead cherrypick in order to reconcile the ludicrousness with their rational mind. As I've stated over and over and over again. Instead you decide what I'm arguing and argue that. [quote]Well, I can’t say I find it appealing. You know, you can attract more flies with sugar …
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[quote]“Given- All Christians are required to believe the bible is literally true” Who says so? WickyWoo says so. So? [/quote] The bible says so, and as the handbook for all Christians, you must follow it. It's like saying "I want to be a boy scout", then tossing the handbook in the garbage [quote]What I said about anthropologists: ““Any anthropologist who has as non-objective and simple-minded a view of religion as you is a failure in his profession.” What you said I said about anthropologists: ...when I told you to go call an anthropologist you went off on something about them being …
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[quote]You have an amazing capacity for imputing motives that borders on the supernatural. It’s like you can read my mind. Not! [/quote] [quote] just don’t understand you can interpret my saying that you are being non-objective and simplistic in a manner that no anthropologist worth his salt would countenance as meaning I would in any way dismiss the opinions of competent anthropologists. It is a mystery beyond mere human comprehension. Especially considering this post I wrote a bit later: [/quote] An anthropologist would tell you that tribes of the region at the time would have considered said rules only applicable to …
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[quote]It is not a fact that they are required to believe that the Bible is literally true. It is only your opinion and skewed interpretation. I am not applying logic to Christian belief, but to your arguments. That is a fact. [/quote] I want you to find the instructions in the Bible that specifically instructs you that you can pick and choose what to follow And why can't you ever just post once? The notifications that pile up are annoying
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[quote]Let us assume you are correct in saying Christians are illogical. Does that not imply that they are not beholden to the (presumably) logical constraints that you would impose upon their beliefs. [/quote] Everyone is beholden to logical constraints, regardless of whether they believe in them. Show me where the Bible says that believing the Bible is literally true is a pre-requisite for Christian faith. I've already provided many quotes demanding obedience. Again, the book is written by an all-powerful, all knowing being, and is the official handbook of Christianity. Therefore being written by a perfect being that they worship, is …
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[quote]Does this not question the absolute authority of Mosaic Law? [/quote] Yes, the bible contradicts itself on many topics. And you have to believe both versions. I asked you for a quote claiming the bible doesn't have to be adhered to, and given the repeated endorsements of Jesus of some of the more horrific Moses laws, I'd say that someone failed to inform the guy who wrote that chapter of that Here's a nice collection of biblical contradictions http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html Once again, you fail to address the point, that blind belief is a tenant of Christianity and all other religions that worship …
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[quote]You asked where the Bible allows questioning of the Bible. Don’t weasel away from your assertion. If the Bible allows questioning of Biblical authority, it follows that the Bible will have contradictory statements, otherwise there would be no verses contrary to prior established Biblical authority. If questioning the authority of the Bible is permitted by the Bible, then blind belief in the absolute authority of the Bible, much less literal truth, is not required.[/quote] The parts you quoted do not allow questioning on the bible, only a prophecy of a second covenant. And to turn back around your tactic, this is …
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[quote]Faith = Blind belief? Not necessarily so. It could mean trust and confidence in the face of uncertain knowledge as well. Especially since grace (spiritual knowledge) is a consequence of diligent faith. One couldn’t exacty presume to believe to know beforehand what grace is, could one? [/quote] faith–noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims. 4. belief in …
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[quote]Given that millions of Christians report the experience of grace, one cannot discount their faith as not supported by proof. [/quote] Umm, no. Sorry There is absolutely no proof that it's anything beyond a physical reaction brought on by self delusion. There is ZERO evidence, and in fact plenty of scientific studies that again and again go AGAINST supernatural involvement(prayer studies for example). In each of those cases, their delusion causes an increase in endorphins and other natural healers that raise their condition.. This is all scientifically verified and peer reviewed. Produce Yahweh, verify his deity, and then get his/her/its actual …
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[quote]From the actual looks of things currently one wonders who really won WWII. Bowel Movement should actually be pleased. It took a while but his dream actually came true. The proliferation of endless suffering and politically reactionary regimes is current proof. [/quote] I often wonder who really won the Civil War myself. Most of those policies are right out of the same reasons that the southern landowners started the war in the first place. Threat to their feudal lifestyle and continued autonomy to abuse those less fortunate (white and black alike).
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Lincoln saw a political advantage when he saw it. While he wasn't a fan of black people, he saw a way to really cheese off his enemy and possibly create disruption in the South and took it. Whether they had the right to secede or not is an issue for debate. What is not under debate were the cannon shells they fired, The southern landowners saw their business model being marginalized and profits down and did something about it
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[quote]Slavery was always a losing business and it would have failed regardless of the outcome[/quote] On the contrary, it let them make a single payment of what someone might make in a year, and then force them to work from birth to death for only the cost of very basic room and board, plus the property reproduces itself to boot! Slavery would have continued as long as it was allowed. No good greedy conservative would ever pass up free(or virtually free) labor, they just use illegal immigrants now. they'd just make them work the machines instead of picking by hand …
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[quote]Were the “southern landowners” more abusive than the northern factory owners? Probably not. Early industrial conditions could be quite severe, and generated much comment from the likes of Dickens and Marx. [/quote] I'm not denying that people, no matter what their geographic location can and are assholes. However the people in the North didn't start a war, commit treason and didn't own slaves and keep insisting on conditions that forced new states to accept their slave ways that many of them did not want simply to keep a "balance". [quote]The South always insisted it was fighting for States Rights, while the …
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Wow scorpy, I think that since you have his name, addres and phone number that perhaps you should contact the Nazi's local police department, considering how unstable he is At the very least there might be some good standoff footage on the news ;)
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Am I the only one getting the mental image of Taz spinning around right now?
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Ah, but you have standing since he directly threatened you ;)
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Yes, a promise as a threat That phrase is only used when looking to harm somone Nazi. Since we agre they're illegal, will you be turning yourself in? Better yet, why not take a nice relaxing vacation to Canada? Make sure to bring your literature with you too about the Jews
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You're right, a promise is not a threat, it means that instead of saying something stupid in the moment, you're certainly planning on doing it In other words a Threat : Wouldn't it be fun to rob a band A promise: Purchasing the equipment to rob a bank That under the law is called "intent" And I'd love to see a link to what makes you think that they repealed their hate speech laws
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Scorpy Yeah, but then you have the fun of getting him arrested, found incompetant to stand trial, and put on thorazine for the rest of his life :)
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[quote]So solly, WoozyJOOOOOOOOO but 99% of all involuntary commitments have been abolished since Szasz.[/quote] Ah yes, your "myth of mental illness" guy. Unfortunately, the rest of the world, and the scientific community does believe in mental illness, and you can be committed involuntarily if you are a danger to yourself or others, which you have proven you are As far as Thorazine being in disuse, that's news to everyone with the legal ability to describe it So how are you an expert? Prior involuntary commitments? And since when is Tony Blair, a neocon sucker of Bush's cock a leftist?
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[quote]WooozyJoooo, hate to break this to you but there is no bona fide disease such as “mental illness” listed in pathology textbooks. As a Soviet psychiatric you are still living in the 50s, laws have been changed in every state to make much harder to commit people for the noncrime, nondisease of “mental illness” nor has “science” endorsed psychiatry[/quote] Yes, that's why they license it and dispense degrees in it. Good job And since you've physically threatened someone, you HAVE committed a crime. Oh, and thorazine is used in mental hospitals to control dangerous psychotic patients, people like you.
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[quote]Either you are not a doctor in which case you have committed a crime here of practising medicine without a license[/quote] I think we've truely driven him completely over the edge, High fives all :)
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Put up or shut up what? We know you're a Nazi. we know that you're insane, and that on the internet you have no less than 3 "you's" who all live in different circumstances depending on the situtation. We know you're a violent racist and we also know that you've been invited to court to prove your claims, but you refuse because "the judge is a jew", I dont' think you know a single thing about medicine, practicing medicine or the law, except that it gets in the way of you shooting every non-white you see
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[quote]PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ! YOU HAVE LIBELLED ME, YOU HAVE THREATENED ME, YOU HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME IN BY YOUR LIBEL, BY EITHER POSTURING AS A DOCTOR WHEN YOU ARE NOT ONE OR ILLEGALLY MISUSING YOUR MEDICAL CREDENTIALS TO THREATEN PEOPLE WITH INCARCERATION IF YOU ARE ONE. WHAT “JUDGE” ? I NEVER HEARD OFANY JUDGE AND IN FACT YOU WILL HAVE TO REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY IF I DID GO TO COURT WITH YOU. NAME THE COURT, THE JUDGE AND THE DATE. I NEVER SAID THE JUDGE IS A JEW BECAUSE THERE IS NO JUDGE AND NO CASE. …
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The fact that you believe that I'm guitly of "practicing medicine without a license" is enough to tell me that you never talked to any lawyer, at least one that actually has a law license. Your paranoia is really really pathetic. I merely cited the Canadian laws against dissemination of blatantly false information to demonize ethnic/social groups, which has often been used to prosecute holocaust deniers such as yourself. If Scorp hadn't discovered his real identity, I'd be positive right about now we really did have Michael Savage on the hook
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You still have yet to link me to this historic changing of law in Canada, which I can find no mention of anywhere. [quote]Chomsky doesn’t go to prison for questioning Pol Pot mass murders nor does Parenti for denying the Gulag and 100 million killed by Mao[/quote] Except that Chomsky simply questions the fact that they were killed BY Pol Pot, and not by extra-Pot reasons, like American illegal actions. http://www.zmag.org/forums/chomcambodforum.htm I'm really sorry the truth about Tibet and many areas of China that Parenti points out hurt you ,but like Cuba, which was ina constant state of civil war, changing …
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So the exact opposite proves your point...right...... You claim to have consulted your lawyer, and you agree to come to court, therefore your lawyer would likely be present at such a transaction. At the very least, should your claims be true, it's a simple matter to ask them if that's the advice they gave you, and to verify they are a licensed lawyer, or does practicing law without a license not offend you? I ask you to cite your source of opinion on the law, and you refuse, further proving that you never called a single lawyer, nor did you read …
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That's up to you. Give me your lawyer's number, and we'll arrange your court date I'm still waiting for what part of Title 10 I'm supposedly in violation of
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Right...because i"m really going to give a psycho like you my name/address and phone number. If your attorney's license is in good standing, then you have no problem with me contacting him to find out exactly what he's been telling you. Considering that everything you've been saying shows 100% zero understanding of any semblence of medicine, or the law, and that you're unlikely in the neighborhood you live in to be able to afford a decent attorney, that you're simply blowing out your ass. Note the clever use of Republican/Conservative/Fundy method #42, accuse your opponent of crimes you yourself are guilty …
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The only thing you've challenged me to do is post ina public forum on the internet my name, address, social security # etc, which only a moron would do. Considering that I've offered to arrange a court date for you, I'd say that's a "put up" moment jackass
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Hey Mikey, I wouldn't be making any vacations to Europe any time soon [quote]Laws that make denying or trivialising the Holocaust a criminal offence punishable by jail sentences will be introduced across the European Union, according to a proposal expecting to win backing from ministers Thursday. Offenders will face up to three years in jail under the proposed legislation, which will also apply to inciting violence against ethnic, religious or national groups. [/quote] http://www.ft.com/cms/s/122134be-ed14-11db-9520-000b5df10621.html
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You keep saying they're repealing these laws, but fail to provide any evidence of it. Give me your lawyer's contact information so we can set our court date, adn you can sue me for practicing medicine without a license and libel, and you agree to be tried and sentenced under Germany's holocaust denial laws. You're not touching my personal information because you're armed and likely psychotic, and I'm not putting that out in the public domain like a moron. Give me your lawyer's contact information The next step I'm going to make is to report you to the police department for …
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I dunno, Mikey appears to have run out of things to do other than accuse me of slandering him and practicing medicine without a license, and telling me I need to put up, but won't accept any method of actual putting up that could expose him to litigation, or worse, reality :)
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Allow me to translate "I'm screwed, cause I told him to put up or shut up, and now he's called my bluff. Better go back to beating my wife/girlfriend/roomate because she's jewish and reinforcing my bunker for when the Jewish/Black conspiracy comes for me"
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Hello Mike or Mike's buddy
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Oh give me a break, corporal punishment has been illegal in schools for 40 years. If you're going to lie, at least make something believeable There's no controversy, there's as much actual doubt about the holocaust and all the other crap he babbles about as there is for gravity
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Gimme your lawyer's number and I'll call him this minute. Then you can "nail" me all you want
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Yes, because I want a psycho like you to have my personal information If you have a lawyer, and considering I'm perfectly willing to go to court with you, you should have no problem with providing me with your lawyer's contact information. That way if you try anything, I have legal protections from you obtaining it. Except in reality, you have no lawyer, and only your own delusions of how the law and medicine work
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Hey Mikey, how can you call me a psycho if you don't believe in either mental illness, nor the profession that defined it? You can't be libeled by something you don't believe in Cabbie, I think you're a bit paranoid in the other direction. While slavery was certainly an excuse, in reality it was all about the cash for the South, and keeping the white landowners in the style to which they'd become accustomed, despite the fact that their buisness was quickly becoming obsolete. They wanted slavery to spread simply so they could make sure that it could not be abolished. …
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Indicting me by my own standards? Aha, so they exist when it's people other than you, why that, along wit hthe rest of your posts sounds like... [quote]psy·cho·path n. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse. [/quote]
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[quote]I think the only lesson from this thread one can take is that anti-religious people can suffer from obsessive simple-minded neuroses and psychotic delusions just as much as those who profess religious belief. Maybe even more so[/quote] Religious belief is a learned behavior, a mass delusion. People can be mentally ill no matter what their upbringing
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[quote]Your standards exist in your own mind, I guess the “own” here is redundant, that does not mean I think those standards have any epistemological validity. [/quote] Are we not acknowleging the dictionary now?
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[quote]No, just disagreeing with it, it’s written by humans and hardly infallible. [/quote] Oh boy! You've just made the most insane arguement I ever got from a fundy, that the dictionary was wrong because fallible humans wrote it, and that only god gets to define words. I have just given you the universally, legally accepted source of definitions of words, and because it's inconvienient for you you dismiss it. We're bordering on schizophrenia now (which would explain your buddy for sure)
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You sure make a lot of assumptions about me. That I'm a doctor, that I practice medicine, and my parentage. Of course, as a nazi every non-blonde, white goosestepper is a "jew" SInce the dictionary is an accepted piece of evidence in a court of law, it's a standard definition as accepted by the entire world. Since we are communicating in English, the oxford english dictionary, whose definition I gave you, is considered the standard bearer of the language. Only an insane person would say otherwise.
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[quote]Combined with Hardesty’s fascination with buggery, cats, spanking, colostomy bags, and Nazi philosophy I would advise Thorazine in high doses combined with intense therapy preferably over long periods of time. As well as a thumbectomy to remove the ability to share his delusions with others via the Internet. [/quote] I'm so glad I'm going to have a co-defendant in the Nazi's "practicing medicine without a license" lawsuit ;)
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Well, I guess that both erases the doubt that they're all the same person, and that once again, nazi displays his total ignorance of medicine Because if he did, he'd know straightjackets haven't been used in years, they're considered cruel, and because of the danger of loss of circulation in the arms. Damn those facts
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