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The Caracas Consensus

By Salim Muwakkil

Hugo Chávez’s landslide reelection on December 3 reinforced Latin America’s status as the primary outpost of opposition to the neoliberal economic policies pushed by the West—the so-called Washington consensus (See “What Chávez’s Re-election Means,” p. 26). Perhaps just as important, Chávez’s win also energizes the global movement of South-South integration that has been picking up steam in recent years. In… return to article

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    Race is not issue in much of Latin America as it is here. Except for
    a few all white countries like Argentina, Uruguay and Chile the population is much more mixed than in North America.
    There is no black power or white power movements in those countries.
    Chavez is trying to overcome US isolation but he has to be careful
    about overdoing the black brother crap.
    Latins and blacks here can’t stand each other. Africa is a total failure
    since independence. Colonialism will be returning and everyone will
    be better off.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 21, 2006 at 11:39 AM

    Chavez is a real man of the people.

    United States Posted by cabdriverinchicago on Dec 22, 2006 at 5:32 PM

    Again with the uninformed generalities...BM’s monkeyed response as always is noted...............the ‘toon lives…

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 24, 2006 at 8:46 PM

    The Caracas Consensus, South-South integration, Petrosouth, Resolution of Abuja, resource nationalism, attempts at African-South American-Caribbean-African American unity; Mr. Chavez gets my vote as man of the year.  As hard as it seems to be for some people to grasp, pro-Black does not equal anti-white, unless you benefit from the exploitation of Black people and their land.

    United States Posted by theloneous on Dec 26, 2006 at 10:59 AM

    If they are so uninformed, Horse, how come you can NEVER rebut
    them with specifics ?
    What “toon” are you talking about ? Are you trying to spell “coon” ?
    We’d all appreciate it if you would refrain from this racist language,
    Redhorse (why not Blackhorse ?).
    In the US, pro-black very much means anti-white, felonious.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 11:03 AM

    blondemike:

    Why so hateful?  Are you afraid of the ideas conveyed in Mr. Muwakkil’s commentary?  The future of “blond” looking rather “dark”? lol LOL LOL!!!  BOO LOL!!!

    United States Posted by theloneous on Dec 26, 2006 at 11:17 AM

    Felonious, I’ve been hearing this Black To The Future bullcrap for
    some time and it ain’t happening. I’m not afraid, just have contempt
    for this nonsense.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 2:32 PM

    What business is it of yours....BM… how others think or believe....? Yu seem very insecure about Afrikan people defining their own reality…

    .....” if they are so uninformed , Horse , how come you can NEVER rebut them with facts.....”

    BM...what “ they “ are yu referring too....? Is it not clear that I am referencing you...it’s a very straight forward statement....Who is “them”....There are no “ they” or “ them “ ...statements , in my last post....BM...are yu seeing things , that are not there.....?

    No....yu fool...I wrote and meant ‘ toon....not ‘ coon...Now if that , abbreviation , reminds yu of being a coon or of coonish aspirations...don’t let me stop yu...go right on ahead and be a ‘coon...if it makes yu happy…

    Redhorse would not be one bit surprized.......................  ‘ toon.

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 26, 2006 at 3:06 PM

    OK....Now that I have read the article....What Pres.Chavez is doing ...is what has been needed to be done for a long time....The plutocracies success in starving off this moment and movement should not go underestimated.....Hopefully Pres. Chavez will continue in this very important work...unharmed by those who would wish him no good....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 26, 2006 at 3:41 PM

    blondemike:

    You can’t even bring yourself to refer to me by my name, how can I take anything you say serious.  That’s why I laugh at your stupid a##, you’re a joke.  I won’t be responding to anymore of your bullsh*t.

    United States Posted by theloneous on Dec 26, 2006 at 3:59 PM

    Redhorse, you are an AfriKKKan nationalist.
    Catch my drift ?
    I could give a fiddler’s wart less about blacks defining their own
    identity. If they want to take Afro names, speak ebonics and dress
    like buffoons it’s not my problem, bro.
    As long as they don’t their crimes around me I don’t care.
    Shoot up, shoot out and drop out.
    You even steal the term “diaspora.” Thank god you all had all those
    good hearted Jewish people like my wife getting your rights for you.
    Otherwise, you’d still be in slavery.
    Now I don’t appreciate you calling me a coon, horse.
    To repeat you have yet to rebut one argument of mine. Not one.
    Can you read ? I know you cannot write and you cannot speak
    proper english. I’d do the ebonic rap but I’m the REAL black here
    and yo’ a high yaller sissy.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 4:02 PM

    Thank you, Theloneous. It was confusing because your arguments,
    to phrase it very generously, were intellectual felonies, hence the
    name confusion. One less AfriKKKan nut to worry about.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 4:05 PM

    BM....yu are one amazingly stupid mother....I wrote ‘ toon....I meant ‘ toon...if yu want to be called a coon.....ok coon.

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 26, 2006 at 5:02 PM

    Horse, I never called you a coon or any other
    disparaging racial epithet though I admit a few
    come to mind when I read your rants.
    What the hell is a toon then ?

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 5:50 PM

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.........? ? ? ! ! !
    Why do yu care.....?
    Are yu , who...Scorpy has identified yu as.....? He probably traced yu through your own references....all that stuff about writing for a certain periodical...yu gave your wifes first name several times...Scorps a crafly ol’ neo-con bastard....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 26, 2006 at 6:10 PM

    Who cares about Scorp ? He like you lost every debate that I had
    with him. Like you he can only attack the messenger because he
    can’t refute the message.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 7:03 PM

    It is quite clear that “Blonde Mike” is fearful, just as the rest of his European/White world leadership is, of, in the words of one Malcolm X, the “chickens coming home to roost"… Exploitation can only exist if you are willing to be exploited… and his message is one of clear, and overt racism.  Africans/African Americans, Latinos, Indigenous Indians....we are all one people with one struggle.  Fighting against a fundementally corrupt, racist, brutal, and injust global economic and social hierarchy.  No matter how hard you and your kind attempt to mystify our history and relations, as with time, eventually, all will pass.  Your place in history is eroding, and you must face the truth of your leaderships deads and karma.  Either deal with it like an intelligent, responsible adult, and adapt, make amends, or continue to wallow in the ignorace peddled upon you by those whom only seek your control and division.

    United States Posted by ordoabchao on Dec 26, 2006 at 10:28 PM

    Ranting negative buulshit about Afrika and Afrikan people is not a message BM....Yu have no message...Scorp has a more clear and concise message then yu.....Look at what yu have done...yu are burning bridges before they have even been built....Ordoabchao doesn’t know yu from spit...but he knows what yu have to say , ain’t worth spit......With the exception of Tina1....yu have got to be the most complete idiot on this venue....But don’t feel bad , there’s always tomorrow.................’ toon.

    But yu didn’t answer my question....Are yu Mike Hardesty...or is Scorp...barkin’ up the wrong tree....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 27, 2006 at 3:58 AM

    Ordo, what is this black nationalist anti-white rap ? We have heard
    this inevitability of history line before and you will notice that the great
    expositor of same, the Soviet Bloc, has long self-destructed.
    Ergo, with people of color nonsense. Ever take a look at the African
    continent ? No, that’s not the wave of the future.
    Redhorse, my remarks have been aimed at a portion of the black
    population, the lumpen, criminal degenerate Mo Fo culture, not all
    blacks.  As you well know.
    So what does your When will you stop beating your wife type questions
    have to do with anything ?
    Scorp is a simpleton like you, everything is all black or all white, stupid
    people can’t deal in nuances. Your anger at me is precisely because
    you can’t stereotype me in this one dimensional rightwing bag.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 1:09 PM

    First, my comments had absolutely nothing to do with black nationalism-- either you can’t read or, as I presume to be the case, you wish to transpose your own ignorant and false intimations on others words to mask your own discomfort with the truth.  Second, comparing the injustices perpetrated by whites against non-whites to the former Soviet Union and it’s struggles and ultimate failure with Socialism is absolute nonsense:  there has never been a free and true, GLobal, Pro Socialist movement or state advocating true justice for all people; your attempt to lump communism into the greater struggle for fundamental civil rights for the racistly downtrodden is absurd and simply preposterous.  Either your an idiot who does not understand history or you figured that the people who post here fit into your stereotypical view of what people of colour (or people of independent mind) are:  uninformed, angry without cause, and tyrannical.  This is not the case. 

    And your comments regarding the dysfunction of Africa:  there is blood upon your hands, as well as the people whom you support, and those who support you, daily.  It will not be cleansed.  Your ideology will serve as your executioner.  This cannot be avoided-- you understand and are afraid of this.

    Just as America is slowly dying, so too are those with your mindset suffering the confusion and debilitation of an illness you are not intelligent enough to see honestly…

    One ulitmately reeps what he sows.  It is unfortuneate that the leadership of your kind has conned you into believing that you are more than just a simple pawn.

    United States Posted by ordoabchao on Dec 27, 2006 at 4:46 PM

    Ordo, look turkey, I don’t who the hell you are and could care less.
    I’ve already covered this ground ad infinitum with Redhorse and
    Chessfrog among others.
    The Africans have plenty of blood on their own hands, they have killed
    five milllion of each other in the Congo alone in the last few years.
    Almost every state in Africa is a catalogue of horrors.
    The rest of your blather is hard to make out except for the childish insults.
    Africa is dying out and the only hope is that next time it can
    be repopulated with intelligent, sentient beings.
    The CPUSA was a major sparkplug of the civil rights movement
    and Communists like Stanley Levison advised Dr. King every step
    of the way, not a bad thing, let’s give credit where credit’s due.
    I strongly advise you to curb the personal insults, bro.
    Your ignorant presumption is only exceeded by your utter arrogance.
    My main man Redhorse be puttin’ his size 13 boot up yo’ hinepos.
    RH, I forget, is 13 your shoe size or yo’ IQ ?

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 6:01 PM

    Ordoabchao....Well....now yu know what the rest of us have been dealing with....BM...is a lost....really lost cause....BM’s problem is that he believes his own rhetoric.....Interestingly , nobody else does.......If yu correspond with him enough....you’d swear this guy is a Nazi , although he claims to be a progressive......Apparently his real name is Mike Hardesty...he claims to live in an all black community in Oakland , Ca.....But he hates Black people...especially those who disagree with his mindless butt scratching babble....He also claims to be a expert on the Afrikan community in Amerika....but we know that ain’t true....So now that he has alienated all parties concerned...he has not a leg to stand on....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 27, 2006 at 6:32 PM

    Redhorse, You have to be the most inarticulate dude around and
    a heavy duty mongoloid (retard) to boot. I LOVE nice law abiding,
    intellectual black people and pretty black women dig me big time
    (unlike you, lowlife.)
    But when one of these Black Commie Nationalist Gangbanging
    AIDS carrying, spear chucking black racists comes around I give
    them the bum’s rush fast.
    I’m actually the REAL black here and you’re a high yaller wannabbe
    black.
    The only parties I have alienated are three or four retards here and
    these fools spend their evenings 69ing each other
    (stay away from Chicago though, Nina has warned me about
    Jewish psycho fascist men.)
    About 98% of the population is on my wave length.
    I stand tall on both legs. You a shorty ?

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 7:05 PM

    BM’s monkeyed response is again noted.........’ toon.

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 27, 2006 at 8:45 PM

    One thing I’ve been meaning to ask you BM.....Why do you write responses , that make you appear to sound like a drunk peckawood on crack......?  You respond in this manner qiute often....I was wondering if it was some type of psycho-pathological disorder...or just your lumpen attempts at communication.......

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 27, 2006 at 9:09 PM

    Redhorse, do you know what the concept of “projection” means in
    psychology ? Look it up, it fits you to the proverbial “T.”

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 28, 2006 at 10:21 AM

    redhorse, what’s your hood ? notice you do a lot of tough talking but seem a little short in the action department. are we supposed to give a hoot that you’re black ? any of us can visit any jail and see all the black folks we care to see for miles on end. what with crime and aids the black population is on the downswing. i don’t see where you people are the wave of the future except for continued championship in scatology,
    basketball and poverty. what is it that your group contributes to the country except crime ? not just whites but asians, arabs and latins feel the same way.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 4:36 PM

    “ are we suppose to give a hoot “…

    Is that suppose to be intimidating ,....give a hoot....?
    Why don’t yu give it a break....any fool that thinks he can speak for all ethnic groups is at the very least....ostentatiously delusional....HaJerk....
    Whats your “ hood “, HaJerk....the local Geriatrics home....ol’ dude still got some go.........I can get yu a deal on a walker....pops...”.give a hoot “...HaHaHaHa !!!!!!!!

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 5:29 PM

    BM...and yet again...yu actual answer the question....It was rhetorical....a rhetorical question...lumpy.  the ‘toon lives.....and now he has another nazi friend...HaJerk allow me to introduce you to Bowel Mouth....Now HaJerk into Bowel Mouth......ugh......Yu two faggots play nice....Redhorse is no homophobe...thats why I thought yu two should meet...BM...HaJerk wants yu to cum on down low and visit him in Hawaii....leave Nina at home...the Horse can take care of her....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 6:18 PM

    we don’t have ghettoes here in honululu, redhorse. and i’m far from the geriatric stage as you would see if you cared to meet me in a duel. think blondie is tired of your jive act, rufus. all your dumbass questions are rhetorical and i’m surprised that you can spell it. i guess your old lady can read and showed you the dictionary. i never claimed to speak for all the ethnic groups here and let me assure you wouldn’t want to hear what they all say about your group. you people have had 400 years of living in the greatest country on earth and yet any immigrant can come here and outshine your tribe in a few years. the fault, dear brutus, is not in the stars, it’s in yourselves.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 6:29 PM

    pick the time and place, redhorse..............i’ve whipped many an ass belonging to a people of color.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:13 PM

    Yes....we’ve all heard the propoganda before....facts are the largest recipients of welfare are white people...So let me get this straight...after all that has been done to make Amerika...oh so perfect , for your little faggot whiteboy behind....yu losers still need more help being a man...than the rest of us....I turn on the TV....and all the Redhorse can see...is dead beat whiteboy after dead beat whiteboy...being paraded on some damn court show....Dumb whiteboys lined up to get on Springer.....Boy...the master race sure looks to be well below the average mark.....If yu whiteboys are so smart...how come none of you boys can keep the jobs your family needs in Amerika...You keep gettin’ pimped by a bunch of republican fag politicians....maybe thats why all your priest seem to want to fuck your sons , cause no matter what yu do to a dumb redneck....as long as yu can convince that dumb redneck he is superior to blacks or native amerikans or immigrants...yu can fuck that dumb redneck in the ass ...but he wouldn’t complain...oh no...That fag republican politician , will tell that dumb redneck.....” no , I did not fuck you in the ass...Al Queda...fucked yu , or those black people did it to yu.”...And the crazy thing is....that dumb ass mother of a redneck...too stupid to think for himself....believes that mess....Yes..27% approval rating for buckfush...and yu lost both the House and the Senate.....even ol’ Newty is worried....yes ,.HaJerk , yu have much too be proud of.....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:26 PM

    Threats are one thing...dumb ass...but to actually challenge somebody to a fight over the internet....BM , we have a contender for your throne as both the most ostentatiously obnoxious and cripple....a two for one deal...yu better hurry before this guy takes your crowns.....

    HaJerk....do yu really think I take yu seriously.....?  Yu are the height....of supreme ‘ toonishness.

    true.......

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:35 PM

    ....i’ve whipped many an ass belonging to a people of color....

    Yeah...yu sound a little punch drunk....So what yu are saying , is that yu singularly defeated another individual...in the plural...thats interesting..Drink a little too much that night...drunk and fighting in public...oh yu are the model citizen on the big island....Additionally , all that fist ta cuffs...is not that in violation of all that law and order bullshit yu were bitchin’ about earlier..is it not...What would your republican undercover fag governor say about all this violent behavior yu are bragging about…

    By the way...that superior education yu got ...sure helps yu in your sentence structure.....Once a redneck , always a redneck // even in paradise...shit stinks.

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:43 PM

    get off it, redhorse, blacks make up a far higher percentage proportionally of all welfare cases than any other group, this is statistically
    proven and for an empirical test go into any welfare office in any us urban area.  it’s not the conservatives that are screwing us but the big liberal multinationals that have destroyed american industry by hiring too many incompetent blacks and females. the disastrous liberal integration policies since 1954 have turned our country into a third world hellhole. the warren court decisions like miranda freeing millions of black and latino criminals have destroyed our urban areas. crackhead blacks are a far bigger national security threat than al queda. the reason gore lost in 2000 was because 26,000 black morons in the jacksonville, fla area marked the presidential ballot twice ! some demo party official told them to mark every page of the ballot and there were two pages of presidential candidates from third parties. the unthinking black dummies said dem’s the rules and followed that advice in their usual robotic fashion. that’s how dumbass bush got elected. thanks, blackies. a lot of those homo priests are black too. most black males do the down and low number according to cdc stats.
    again i challenge your cowardly behind to a duel, you pick the weapon, time and place, afterwards i have you fed to the pigs.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:47 PM

    your giving me lessons in sentence structure ? boy, that’s a hoot ! you
    have yet to pen one decent, grammatically correct sentence.
    I was using your leftist venacular, so-called people of color and i’ve whipped those dark behinds both individually and collectively. liston gave me some shit one day in philly and i floored his punk ass.
    not boasting, just a fact.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:50 PM

    Pushing your buttons is eazier than the other guy.....BM.
    So now you expect Redhorse to believe you did that on purpose....
    Ooooooook...what else yu got....yu beat a guy up in philly....oh no....nobodies ever done that before.......tell us more good citizen of your record concerning felony assualts or any other crimes yu have committed against people of color.....? Anybody really....share , please feel free....?

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 9:16 PM

    ..........i’ve whipped THOSE DARK BEHINDS both individually and collectively.........

    HawaiiJack.... boy....yu sure sound like a faggot to me.....I don’t know about yu...dude..?.Are yu another one of those....undercover loggers....? Talk about an AIDS factory.......

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 28, 2006 at 9:33 PM

    redhorse, you still going down and low ?

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:21 AM

    i noticed on an earlier posting you referred to the diaspora.....wonder where that comes from ? same people who got you the civil rights fraud, did all your free legal work and taught you how to use finger bowls and not fart loudly at lbj’s signing ceremonies......ever wonder why every group has leapfrogged over your peepul ? why when whitey was celebrating the moon landing, rev abernathy was leading the mule train at cape canaveral ? my ancestors were virginia gentlemen and they treated their slaves real well, it was like a socialist state, they fed, clothed, educated (well tried to) and took care of their health. the slaves liked it but it was hard to get an honest day’s work out of them, that’s why the south lost to the capitalist north. your people are headed back to
    a much worse kind of slavery this time. in baltimore over 70% of all black males between 14 and 45 are in jail, prison, probation, parole or awaiting sentencing. and i’m worried about the other 30% because who’s keeping an eye on them. as an expert on black history i am very disturbed by the dim prognosis for your beloved peepul. we the noble white man have tried for 400 years to assist, enlighten, educate and uplift your peepul and we’re very disappointed in the results. you owe us
    reparations, you be getting a huge bill, please pay by return mail.
    thank you and god bless.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:35 AM

    redhorse, a funny name for a black, self-defense is not a felony, i was strictly defending myself against negroid criminals. that’s why i’m a proud nra member and we welcome law abiding blacks too. not the low pants behind showing rapping rapers and gangbangers. why is there so much homo activity in your community ? very disturbing.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:40 AM

    redhorse, what’s a “toon” ? isn’t that japanese kiddie porn ? you don’t mean “coon” do you ? that has multiple meanings. when i was a teen in
    florida we had a legal coon hunting season.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:52 PM

    At this particular moment....yu are a ‘ toon.....with an extremely ‘ toonish viewpoint on history and humanity....But such is to be expected from a lowbrow ossified pinhead...who lives by his delusional exaggerations....

    Yes...I’ve read about many of those illiterate...gout ridden...syphilis spreading , pedophile rapist...you refer to as your ancestors...Apparently the chip didn’t fall far from the block.....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 29, 2006 at 4:49 PM

    you plugging that lying black left bullshit about sally hennings ? all the black leftists in this nation aren’t fit to lick the sweat off jefferson’s balls.
    you did a pedophile number on your kids ? goddamn, your disgusting.
    if i’m a toon (undefined) is it ok to call you a coon ? as ken hamblin says,
    two jigs and a boo to you, redhorse !

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:09 PM

    Sally Hennings....? What the hell , are yu ranting about now..........?
    I see in the news were Saddam Hussien is to be hung...When does the Buckfush trial begin......?

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:42 PM

    damn but your stupid. i prefer not to recirculate this libel against jefferson.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:47 PM

    One would guess...yu have no idea...of what yu are talking about.....
    HaJerk...posts a comment about something to do with Jefferson and Sally Hennings...but yu don’t expound on the point....

    Now I now who Ms Hennings was....and that Jefferson had children by her.....So this fact of history and nature...is too upsetting for yu to disciss......? Quite the sensitive fellow...aren’t yu....somewhat weak in the head , I see…

    Usually when individuals instigate a particular subject...they have something to say about that subject...at least that is what normal folks do....Is it safe then to assume that yu HaJerk...are abnormal....

    ...... ...” damn your stupid “.....I believe the correct grammar would dictate that ...your....should be spelled ....you’ re or you are.....But don’t believe a dummy like me....maybe the dictionary can help you with your lumpyness....Now if I wanted to refer to yu as just lumpen...I would write....now play attention...YOU ARE LUMPEN....See that wasn’t to hard.....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 29, 2006 at 6:28 PM

    Now lets look at your initial statement....

    ........You plugging that lying black leftist bullshit about sally hennings......?

    Yu are the articulate one , aren’t yu....A mouthpiece , if I may...for the verbal acumen of lumpen peckawoods everywhere....yu must be so proud....

    Then yu mention something about yu think about licking Jefferson’s balls...He’s been dead for quite some time...but if thats your freak...do it...My question is ...Why bring it up here....? What yu do or whatever fantasy yu have about some dead fucker of a redneck...is your business…

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 29, 2006 at 6:47 PM

    he had no children by her. can’t understand the rest of your wordsalad, maybe you can translate from ebonics into english but then you don’t know english........

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 8:07 PM

    Yes...he did.........Why would yu bring this up...personal / family connections possibly...Whats up...blood....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 29, 2006 at 8:56 PM

    Jack’s right, the story is a myth. Could give you refs but you never
    let the facts get in your way.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 31, 2006 at 6:00 PM

    Hardesty......where yu been....yu got references...? Lets see them....Sherlock....

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Dec 31, 2006 at 10:57 PM

    Hardesty, you’re full of shit, as usual.  Jefferson fathered six children with Hennings.  His will explicitly stipulated that after his death his children would be freed, and they were.  I’m sure you can cite all sorts of bullshit references from the Enterprise Institute or the Heritage Foundation to confound the facts, but the fact is that Jefferson’s support for equality extended beyond the constraints of race, gender, sexuality, income, intelligence, religuous or cultural affiliation or political ideology, because Jefferson believed in the one social attribute which surpassed and inspired all of the above, and that’s our shared humanity.  Not the accidental privilege of white supremacy or masculinity or affluence or superior intelligence but the simple recognition that all of us share the fundamental birthright of our common humanity.  If you can’t or won’t understand that, and your racist, antisemitic remarks on this website indicate that you don’t, then all your intellectual contortions are worthless.

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 1, 2007 at 1:28 AM

    Wait a minute, you discredit in advance any source that contradicts
    your bullshit lies about Jefferson, I was reading an article on this
    recently which specifically debunked the Hennings fairy tale which
    was invented by leftist revisionist historians in the 60s, none of
    Jefferson’s many earlier biographers such Bowers ever mentioned
    this because it never happened. Get off your lazy ass, buck private,
    buck private and google this yourself.
    Nothing racist about telling the truth about the incredible black crime
    and sociopathology in America nor is it racist to give the good news
    that 4-5 million Jews popularly thought murdered weren’t. If someone
    hated blacks qua blacks or Jews qua Jews, THAT would be racist but
    I haven’t seen anything remotely like that here.
    Except for anti-white agit-prop.
    RH, same advice about during your own research applies to you.
    If you really can’t find another side to this story on the web, I’ll locate
    it for you.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Jan 1, 2007 at 3:16 PM

    Sorry.  I should have said “...provocatively racist, anti-semitic remarks”.  Stop shilling for the settlers and get a life.  And since when did Jefferson’s alleged miscegenation suddenly become a source of shame for him, except in the fevered imagination of his racist auditors.  I can easilly entertain the plausible presumption that he regarded it as a source of pride.  It’s only the rednecks who bridle at the possibility that the sacred white paternity of their founding fathers might conceivably be mixed with “colored” blood.

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 1, 2007 at 6:22 PM

    And it’s nothing but racist to draw inviduous attention to the sociopathology of one race and ignore the causal context of the endemic sociopathology which reinforces it.

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 1, 2007 at 7:05 PM

    jack’s back ! and time for major anal surgery on the major ! the sally hennings bullshit is a crock invented by white leftist trash and communist black trash. you’re a friggin zero, major, you ain’t got a pot to piss or a window to throw it out of, they use the elevators for that at your project. the sociopathology of africans is not caused by whitey, it’s intrinsic to them.  you can throw around that meaningless racist label all you want but some of us know the score. since many of my best friends are arabs i have to reject the anti-semitic bs label too.
    barky, we could but we have black supremacists and jewish supremacists here that are not into peaceful coexistence.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 10:47 AM

    You call that anal surgery?

    Looks like oral masturbation for the double-jointed.

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 2, 2007 at 7:14 PM

    still trying to free willie, major ?

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 7:42 PM

    You bet, good buddy.  “Ergo” to you, too.

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 3, 2007 at 5:06 PM

    zzzzzzzzzzz

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 3, 2007 at 6:10 PM

    Sweet dreams, sweetheart.

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 3, 2007 at 6:27 PM

    Using your wifes vibrator.............. again........HJ
    Anal surgery on oneself ....I see....prepHJerk is an appropiate name for you..........true.

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Jan 3, 2007 at 6:32 PM

    redhorse, you’re old lady said you never went three times.......like she and I did.
    major, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 3, 2007 at 7:51 PM
    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 3, 2007 at 9:11 PM

    BORING. BORING. BORING.
    Major, the most uninteresting and boring thing since you’re wedding night.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM

    Race is not issue in much of Latin America as it is here. Except for
    a few all white countries like Argentina, Uruguay and Chile the population is much more

    mixed than in North America.
    There is no black power or white power movements in those countries.
    Chavez is trying to overcome US isolation but he has to be careful
    about overdoing the black brother crap.
    Latins and blacks here cant stand each other. Africa is a total failure
    since independence. Colonialism will be returning and everyone will
    be better off.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 21, 2006 at 11:39 AM

    If they are so uninformed, Horse, how come you can NEVER rebut
    them with specifics ?
    What toon are you talking about ? Are you trying to spell coon ?
    Wed all appreciate it if you would refrain from this racist language,
    Redhorse (why not Blackhorse ?).
    In the US, pro-black very much means anti-white, felonious.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 11:03 AM

    Felonious, Ive been hearing this Black To The Future bullcrap for
    some time and it aint happening. Im not afraid, just have contempt
    for this nonsense.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 2:32 PM

    Redhorse, you are an AfriKKKan nationalist.
    Catch my drift ?
    I could give a fiddlers wart less about blacks defining their own
    identity. If they want to take Afro names, speak ebonics and dress
    like buffoons its not my problem, bro.
    As long as they dont their crimes around me I dont care.
    Shoot up, shoot out and drop out.
    You even steal the term diaspora. Thank god you all had all those
    good hearted Jewish people like my wife getting your rights for you.
    Otherwise, youd still be in slavery.
    Now I dont appreciate you calling me a coon, horse.
    To repeat you have yet to rebut one argument of mine. Not one.
    Can you read ? I know you cannot write and you cannot speak
    proper english. Id do the ebonic rap but Im the REAL black here
    and yo a high yaller sissy.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 4:02 PM

    Thank you, Theloneous. It was confusing because your arguments,
    to phrase it very generously, were intellectual felonies, hence the
    name confusion. One less AfriKKKan nut to worry about.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 4:05 PM

    Horse, I never called you a coon or any other
    disparaging racial epithet though I admit a few
    come to mind when I read your rants.
    What the hell is a toon then ?

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 5:50 PM

    Who cares about Scorp ? He like you lost every debate that I had
    with him. Like you he can only attack the messenger because he
    cant refute the message.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 7:03 PM

    Ordo, what is this black nationalist anti-white rap ? We have heard
    this inevitability of history line before and you will notice that the great
    expositor of same, the Soviet Bloc, has long self-destructed.
    Ergo, with people of color nonsense. Ever take a look at the African
    continent ? No, thats not the wave of the future.
    Redhorse, my remarks have been aimed at a portion of the black
    population, the lumpen, criminal degenerate Mo Fo culture, not all
    blacks.  As you well know.
    So what does your When will you stop beating your wife type questions
    have to do with anything ?
    Scorp is a simpleton like you, everything is all black or all white, stupid
    people cant deal in nuances. Your anger at me is precisely because
    you cant stereotype me in this one dimensional rightwing bag.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 1:09 PM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 5:57 PM

    Ordo, look turkey, I dont who the hell you are and could care less.
    Ive already covered this ground ad infinitum with Redhorse and
    Chessfrog among others.
    The Africans have plenty of blood on their own hands, they have killed
    five milllion of each other in the Congo alone in the last few years.
    Almost every state in Africa is a catalogue of horrors.
    The rest of your blather is hard to make out except for the childish insults.
    Africa is dying out and the only hope is that next time it can
    be repopulated with intelligent, sentient beings.
    The CPUSA was a major sparkplug of the civil rights movement
    and Communists like Stanley Levison advised Dr. King every step
    of the way, not a bad thing, lets give credit where credits due.
    I strongly advise you to curb the personal insults, bro.
    Your ignorant presumption is only exceeded by your utter arrogance.
    My main man Redhorse be puttin his size 13 boot up yo hinepos.
    RH, I forget, is 13 your shoe size or yo IQ ?

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 6:01 PM

    Redhorse, You have to be the most inarticulate dude around and
    a heavy duty mongoloid (retard) to boot. I LOVE nice law abiding,
    intellectual black people and pretty black women dig me big time
    (unlike you, lowlife.)
    But when one of these Black Commie Nationalist Gangbanging
    AIDS carrying, spear chucking black racists comes around I give
    them the bums rush fast.
    Im actually the REAL black here and youre a high yaller wannabbe
    black.
    The only parties I have alienated are three or four retards here and
    these fools spend their evenings 69ing each other
    (stay away from Chicago though, Nina has warned me about
    Jewish psycho fascist men.)
    About 98% of the population is on my wave length.
    I stand tall on both legs. You a shorty ?

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 7:05 PM

    redhorse, whats your hood ? notice you do a lot of tough talking but seem a little short in the action department. are we supposed to give a hoot that youre black ? any of us can visit any jail and see all the black folks we care to see for miles on end. what with crime and aids the black population is on the downswing. i dont see where you people are the wave of the future except for continued championship in scatology,
    basketball and poverty. what is it that your group contributes to the country except crime ? not just whites but asians, arabs and latins feel the same way.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 4:36 PM

    we dont have ghettoes here in honululu, redhorse. and im far from the geriatric stage as you would see if you cared to meet me in a duel. think blondie is tired of your jive act, rufus. all your dumbass questions are rhetorical and im surprised that you can spell it. i guess your old lady can read and showed you the dictionary. i never claimed to speak for all
    the ethnic groups here and let me assure you wouldnt want to hear what they all say about your group. you people have had 400 years of living in the greatest country on earth and yet any immigrant can come here and outshine your tribe in a few years. the fault, dear brutus,
    is not in the stars, its in yourselves.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 6:29 PM

    ick the time and place, redhorse..............ive whipped many an ass belonging to a people of color.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:13 PM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 6:04 PM

    get off it, redhorse, blacks make up a far higher percentage proportionally of all welfare cases than any other group, this is statistically proven and for an empirical test go into any welfare office in any us urban area.  its not the conservatives that are screwing us but the big liberal multinationals that have destroyed american industry by hiring too many incompetent blacks and females. the disastrous liberal integration policies since 1954 have turned our country into a third world hellhole. the warren court decisions like miranda freeing millions of black and latino criminals have destroyed our urban areas. crackhead blacks are a far bigger national security threat than al queda. the reason gore lost in 2000 was because 26,000 black morons in the jacksonville, fla area marked the presidential ballot twice ! some demo party official told them to mark every page of the ballot and there were two pages of presidential candidates from third parties. the unthinking black dummies said dems the rules and followed that advice in their usual robotic fashion. thats how dumbass bush got elected. thanks, blackies. a lot of those homo priests are black too. most black males do the down and low number according to cdc stats.again i challenge your cowardly behind to a duel, you pick the weapon, time and place, afterwards i have you fed to the pigs.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:47 PM

    your giving me lessons in sentence structure ? boy, thats a hoot ! you
    have yet to pen one decent, grammatically correct sentence.
    I was using your leftist venacular, so-called people of color and ive whipped those dark behinds both individually and collectively. liston gave me some shit one day in philly and i floored his punk ass.
    not boasting, just a fact.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:50 PM

    redhorse, you still going down and low ?

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:21 AM

    i noticed on an earlier posting you referred to the diaspora.....wonder where that comes

    from ? same people who got you the civil rights fraud, did all your free legal work and

    taught you how to use finger bowls and not fart loudly at lbjs signing ceremonies......ever

    wonder why every group has leapfrogged over your peepul ? why when whitey was celebrating

    the moon landing, rev abernathy was leading the mule train at cape canaveral ? my ancestors

    were virginia gentlemen and they treated their slaves real well, it was like a socialist

    state, they fed, clothed, educated (well tried to) and took care of their health. the slaves

    liked it but it was hard to get an honest days work out of them, thats why the south lost

    to the capitalist north. your people are headed back to
    a much worse kind of slavery this time. in baltimore over 70% of all black males between 14

    and 45 are in jail, prison, probation, parole or awaiting sentencing. and im worried about

    the other 30% because whos keeping an eye on them. as an expert on black history i am very

    disturbed by the dim prognosis for your beloved peepul. we the noble white man have tried

    for 400 years to assist, enlighten, educate and uplift your peepul and were very

    disappointed in the results. you owe us
    reparations, you be getting a huge bill, please pay by return mail.
    thank you and god bless.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:35 AM

    redhorse, a funny name for a black, self-defense is not a felony, i was strictly defending

    myself against negroid criminals. thats why im a proud nra member and we welcome law

    abiding blacks too. not the low pants behind showing rapping rapers and gangbangers. why is

    there so much homo activity in your community ? very disturbing.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:40 AM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 6:05 PM

    redhorse, whats a toon ? isnt that japanese kiddie porn ? you dont mean coon do you ? that has multiple meanings. when i was a teen in florida we had a legal coon hunting season.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:52 PM

    you plugging that lying black left bullshit about sally hennings ? all the black leftists in this nation arent fit to lick the sweat off jeffersons balls.  you did a pedophile number on your kids ? goddamn, your disgusting.  if im a toon (undefined) is it ok to call you a coon ? as ken hamblin says, two jigs and a boo to you, redhorse !

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:09 PM

    damn but your stupid. i prefer not to recirculate this libel against jefferson.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:47 PM

    he had no children by her. cant understand the rest of your wordsalad, maybe you can translate from ebonics into english but then you dont know english........

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 8:07 PM

    Jacks right, the story is a myth. Could give you refs but you never
    let the facts get in your way.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Dec 31, 2006 at 6:00 PM

    Wait a minute, you discredit in advance any source that contradicts
    your bullshit lies about Jefferson, I was reading an article on this
    recently which specifically debunked the Hennings fairy tale which
    was invented by leftist revisionist historians in the 60s, none of
    Jeffersons many earlier biographers such Bowers ever mentioned
    this because it never happened. Get off your lazy ass, buck private,
    buck private and google this yourself.
    Nothing racist about telling the truth about the incredible black crime
    and sociopathology in America nor is it racist to give the good news
    that 4-5 million Jews popularly thought murdered werent. If someone
    hated blacks qua blacks or Jews qua Jews, THAT would be racist but
    I havent seen anything remotely like that here.
    Except for anti-white agit-prop.
    RH, same advice about during your own research applies to you.
    If you really cant find another side to this story on the web, Ill locate
    it for you.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Jan 1, 2007 at 3:16 PM

    jacks back ! and time for major anal surgery on the major ! the sally hennings bullshit is a crock invented by white leftist trash and communist black trash. youre a friggin zero, major, you aint got a pot to piss or a window to throw it out of, they use the elevators for that at your project. the sociopathology of africans is not caused by whitey, its intrinsic to them.  you can throw around that meaningless racist label all you want but some of us know the score. since many of my best friends are arabs i have to reject the anti-semitic bs label too.barky, we could but we have black supremacists and jewish supremacists here that are not into peaceful coexistence.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 10:47 AM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 6:09 PM

    still trying to free willie, major ?

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 7:42 PM

    zzzzzzzzzzz

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 3, 2007 at 6:10 PM

    redhorse, youre old lady said you never went three times.......like she and I did. major, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 3, 2007 at 7:51 PM

    BORING. BORING. BORING.
    Major, the most uninteresting and boring thing since youre we
    dding night.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 6:10 PM

    glad you are taking in all these words of wisdom, “major” but do you really think your opponents are limited to just two of us ?

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 4, 2007 at 6:47 PM

    Race is not issue in much of Latin America as it is here. Except for a few all white countries like Argentina, Uruguay and Chile the population is much more mixed than in North America. There is no black power or white power movements in those countries. Chavez is trying to overcome US isolation but he has to be careful about overdoing the black brother crap. Latins and blacks here cant stand each other. Africa is a total failure since independence. Colonialism will be returning and everyone will be better off.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 21, 2006 at 11:39 AM

    If they are so uninformed, Horse, how come you can NEVER rebut them with specifics ? What toon are you talking about ? Are you trying to spell coon? Wed all appreciate it if you would refrain from this racist language,Redhorse (why not Blackhorse ?). In the US, pro-black very much means anti-white, felonious.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 11:03 AM

    Felonious, Ive been hearing this Black To The Future bullcrap for some time and it aint happening. Im not afraid, just have contempt for this nonsense.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 2:32 PM

    Redhorse, you are an AfriKKKan nationalist. Catch my drift ? I could give a fiddlers wart less about blacks defining their own identity. If they want to take Afro names, speak ebonics and dress like buffoons its not my problem, bro. As long as they dont their crimes around me I dont care. Shoot up, shoot out and drop out. You even steal the term diaspora. Thank god you all had all those good hearted Jewish people like my wife getting your rights for you. Otherwise, youd still be in slavery. Now I dont appreciate you calling me a coon, horse. To repeat you have yet to rebut one argument of mine. Not one. Can you read ? I know you cannot write and you cannot speak proper english. Id do the ebonic rap but Im the REAL black here and yo a high yaller sissy.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 4:02 PM

    Thank you, Theloneous. It was confusing because your arguments, to phrase it very generously, were intellectual felonies, hence the name confusion. One less AfriKKKan nut to worry about.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 4:05 PM

    Horse, I never called you a coon or any other disparaging racial epithet though I admit a few come to mind when I read your rants. What the hell is a toon then ?

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 5:50 PM

    Who cares about Scorp ? He like you lost every debate that I had with him. Like you he can only attack the messenger because he cant refute the message.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 26, 2006 at 7:03 PM

    Ordo, what is this black nationalist anti-white rap ? We have heard this inevitability of history line before and you will notice that the great expositor of same, the Soviet Bloc, has long self-destructed. Ergo, with people of color nonsense. Ever take a look at the African continent ? No, thats not the wave of the future. Redhorse, my remarks have been aimed at a portion of the black population, the lumpen, criminal degenerate Mo Fo culture, not all blacks.  As you well know. So what does your When will you stop beating your wife type questions have to do with anything ? Scorp is a simpleton like you, everything is all black or all white, stupid people cant deal in nuances. Your anger at me is precisely because you cant stereotype me in this one dimensional rightwing bag.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 1:09 PM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 7:54 PM

    Ordo, look turkey, I dont who the hell you are and could care less. Ive already covered this ground ad infinitum with Redhorse and Chessfrog among others. The Africans have plenty of blood on their own hands, they have killed five milllion of each other in the Congo alone in the last few years. Almost every state in Africa is a catalogue of horrors. The rest of your blather is hard to make out except for the childish insults. Africa is dying out and the only hope is that next time it can be repopulated with intelligent, sentient beings.
    The CPUSA was a major sparkplug of the civil rights movement and Communists like Stanley Levison advised Dr. King every step of the way, not a bad thing, lets give credit where credits due. I strongly advise you to curb the personal insults, bro. Your ignorant presumption is only exceeded by your utter arrogance. My main man Redhorse be puttin his size 13 boot up yo hinepos. RH, I forget, is 13 your shoe size or yo IQ ?

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 6:01 PM

    Redhorse, You have to be the most inarticulate dude around and a heavy duty mongoloid (retard) to boot. I LOVE nice law abiding, intellectual black people and pretty black women dig me big time (unlike you, lowlife.) But when one of these Black Commie Nationalist Gangbanging AIDS carrying, spear chucking black racists comes around I give them the bums rush fast. Im actually the REAL black here and youre a high yaller wannabbe black. The only parties I have alienated are three or four retards here and these fools spend their evenings 69ing each other (stay away from Chicago though, Nina has warned me about Jewish psycho fascist men.) About 98% of the population is on my wave length. I stand tall on both legs. You a shorty ?

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 27, 2006 at 7:05 PM

    redhorse, whats your hood ? notice you do a lot of tough talking but seem a little short in the action department. are we supposed to give a hoot that youre black ? any of us can visit any jail and see all the black folks we care to see for miles on end. what with crime and aids the black population is on the downswing. i dont see where you people are the wave of the future except for continued championship in scatology, basketball and poverty. what is it that your group contributes to the country except crime ? not just whites but asians, arabs and latins feel the same way.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 4:36 PM

    we dont have ghettoes here in honululu, redhorse. and im far from the geriatric stage as you would see if you cared to meet me in a duel. think blondie is tired of your jive act, rufus. all your dumbass questions are rhetorical and im surprised that you can spell it. i guess your old lady can read and showed you the dictionary. i never claimed to speak for all
    the ethnic groups here and let me assure you wouldnt want to hear what they all say about your group. you people have had 400 years of living in the greatest country on earth and yet any immigrant can come here and outshine your tribe in a few years. the fault, dear brutus, is not in the stars, its in yourselves.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 6:29 PM

    pick the time and place, redhorse..............ive whipped many an ass belonging to a people of color.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:13 PM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 7:55 PM

    get off it, redhorse, blacks make up a far higher percentage proportionally of all welfare cases than any other group, this is statistically proven and for an empirical test go into any welfare office in any us urban area.  its not the conservatives that are screwing us but the big liberal multinationals that have destroyed american industry by hiring too many incompetent blacks and females. the disastrous liberal integration policies since 1954 have turned our country into a third world hellhole. the warren court decisions like miranda freeing millions of black and latino criminals have destroyed our urban areas. crackhead blacks are a far bigger national security threat than al queda. the reason gore lost in 2000 was because 26,000 black morons in the jacksonville, fla area marked the presidential ballot twice ! some demo party official told them to mark every page of the ballot and there were two pages of presidential candidates from third parties. the unthinking black dummies said dems the rules and followed that advice in their usual robotic fashion. thats how dumbass bush got elected. thanks, blackies. a lot of those homo priests are black too. most black males do the down and low number according to cdc stats.again i challenge your cowardly behind to a duel, you pick the weapon, time and place, afterwards i have you fed to the pigs.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:47 PM

    your giving me lessons in sentence structure ? boy, thats a hoot ! you have yet to pen one decent, grammatically correct sentence. I was using your leftist venacular, so-called people of color and ive whipped those dark behinds both individually and collectively. liston gave me some shit one day in philly and i floored his punk ass.
    not boasting, just a fact.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:50 PM

    redhorse, you still going down and low ?

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:21 AM

    i noticed on an earlier posting you referred to the diaspora.....wonder where that comes
    from ? same people who got you the civil rights fraud, did all your free legal work and
    taught you how to use finger bowls and not fart loudly at lbjs signing ceremonies......ever
    wonder why every group has leapfrogged over your peepul ? why when whitey was celebrating
    the moon landing, rev abernathy was leading the mule train at cape canaveral ? my ancestors
    were virginia gentlemen and they treated their slaves real well, it was like a socialist
    state, they fed, clothed, educated (well tried to) and took care of their health. the slaves
    liked it but it was hard to get an honest days work out of them, thats why the south lost to the capitalist north. your people are headed back to a much worse kind of slavery this time. in baltimore over 70% of all black males between 14and 45 are in jail, prison, probation, parole or awaiting sentencing. and im worried about the other 30% because whos keeping an eye on them. as an expert on black history i am very disturbed by the dim prognosis for your beloved peepul. we the noble white man have tried for 400 years to assist, enlighten, educate and uplift your peepul and were very disappointed in the results. you owe us reparations, you be getting a huge bill, please pay by return mail.
    thank you and god bless.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:35 AM

    redhorse, a funny name for a black, self-defense is not a felony, i was strictly defending
    myself against negroid criminals. thats why im a proud nra member and we welcome law abiding blacks too. not the low pants behind showing rapping rapers and gangbangers. why is there so much homo activity in your community ? very disturbing.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 10:40 AM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 7:57 PM

    redhorse, whats a toon ? isnt that japanese kiddie porn ? you dont mean coon do you ? that has multiple meanings. when i was a teen in florida we had a legal ,b>coon hunting season.</b>

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:52 PM

    you plugging that lying black left bullshit about sally hennings ? all the black leftists in this nation arent fit to lick the sweat off jeffersons balls.  you did a pedophile number on your kids ? goddamn, your disgusting.  if im a toon (undefined) is it ok to call you a coon ? as ken hamblin says, two jigs and a boo to you, redhorse !

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:09 PM

    damn but your stupid. i prefer not to recirculate this libel against jefferson.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 5:47 PM

    he had no children by her. cant understand the rest of your wordsalad, maybe you can translate from ebonics into english but then you dont know english........

    Posted by hawaii jack on Dec 29, 2006 at 8:07 PM

    Jacks right, the story is a myth. Could give you refs but you never let the facts get in your way.

    Posted by blondemike on Dec 31, 2006 at 6:00 PM

    Wait a minute, you discredit in advance any source that contradicts your bullshit lies about Jefferson, I was reading an article on this recently which specifically debunked the Hennings fairy tale which was invented by leftist revisionist historians in the 60s, none of
    Jeffersons many earlier biographers such Bowers ever mentioned this because it never happened. Get off your lazy ass, buck private, buck private and google this yourself.
    Nothing racist about telling the truth about the incredible black crime and sociopathology in America nor is it racist to give the good news that 4-5 million Jews popularly thought murdered werent. If someone hated blacks qua blacks or Jews qua Jews, THAT would be racist but I havent seen anything remotely like that here. Except for anti-white agit-prop. RH, same advice about during your own research applies to you. If you really cant find another side to this story on the web, Ill locate it for you.

    Posted by blondemike on Jan 1, 2007 at 3:16 PM

    jacks back ! and time for major anal surgery on the major ! the sally hennings bullshit is a crock invented by white leftist trash and communist black trash. youre a friggin zero, major, you aint got a pot to piss or a window to throw it out of, they use the elevators for that at your project. the sociopathology of africans is not caused by whitey, its intrinsic to them.  you can throw around that meaningless racist label all you want but some of us know the score. since many of my best friends are arabs i have to reject the anti-semitic bs label too. barky, we could but we have black supremacists and jewish supremacists here that are not into peaceful coexistence.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 10:47 AM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 7:58 PM

    still trying to free willie, major ?

    Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 2, 2007 at 7:42 PM

    zzzzzzzzzzz

    Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 3, 2007 at 6:10 PM

    redhorse, youre old lady said you never went three times.......like she and I did.
    major, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 3, 2007 at 7:51 PM

    BORING. BORING. BORING.
    Major, the most uninteresting and boring thing since youre wedding night.

    Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM

    United States Posted by Major Major on Jan 4, 2007 at 8:00 PM

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 5, 2007 at 11:17 AM

    I second Jack’s response. I know I totally stand by all my remarks even the ones pulled out of context, I’m sure Jack does too.
    No one would think of reproducing the Major’s comments because none are memorable.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Jan 6, 2007 at 2:11 PM

    If anyone cares, the patrimony of Sally Hemming’s children is of some controversy among historians, although that they are at least related to Jefferson is not much in doubt.

    I say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, odds are it’s a duck.

    United States Posted by luminous beauty on Jan 6, 2007 at 5:35 PM

    That’s what McCarthy said in the 50s about Comsymps....................

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 8, 2007 at 11:26 AM

    Of course, McCarthy, unlike LB, was right.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 8, 2007 at 4:11 PM

    Sockpuppets, strawmen, and trolls-Oh my! Long time reader/lurker, and finally had to sign on just to say STOP! Please! Major, Red Horse, and some others who should know better, what are you thinking!?? Whether or not this fool is Michael Hardesty is beside the point, though agree it’s probable. So what? We ain’t talking bout takin down Trent Lott here. Guys not a has-been, he’s a never was. Kamm summed it up just fine here . Ignore him!! Don’t respond to any of his inanity and he’ll go away. And reposting his nonsense was really beyond the pale, Major. Are you perchance role-playing Heller’s character? Let’s get back to meaningful dialogue, and only engage opposing viewpoints that have some coherent rationale. Communication should be the focus, not arguing with idiots. “They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience every time.”

    United States Posted by Eric Blair on Jan 8, 2007 at 7:43 PM

    I can agree with your point of viiew Eric....but how can an “ idiot “ beat or rather win out using experience....when the use of experience , assumes a degree of wisdom , plus some sense of history...of which to glean the knowledge of experience from....

    The sockpuppeted blind one , of whom we speak.... possesses no such qualities........

    Further...I find , after dealing with clients and their stuff all day.....slapping an idiot over the .net...can be therapeutic , without the subsequent possiblities of losing a client or ones employment......ya know.

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Jan 8, 2007 at 8:46 PM

    “They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience every time.”

    Eric, you are a breath of fresh air. Thanks.
    Especially for the quote. Who said that?
    A search turns up results that seem like it is a gamer phrase?
    The link was good too. Very well summed up.
    You should post more often.

    Ignore him!!

    Eric, easy to say. More difficult to do.
    Since I seem to find it therapeutic to try to help others get well.
    But ... that’s probably a ‘messiah complex’ I suffer from.

    Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Jan 8, 2007 at 10:16 PM

    Blair, I did some research here and found out that Hardesty responded at length to Kamm but Kamm chose not to run it. We have a mutual friend at MIT whom the neoconman Kamm libeled on several occasions. After Redhorse kept mentioning Hardesty I decided to do some checking up on him. Notice Kamm quotes from a 1973 (!) letter to the Washington Post wherein Hardesty strongly criticzes a brutal Israeli raid into Lebanon and on that basis calls Hardesty an “open anti-semite.” That alone should be the giveaway. Turns out Kamm is head of something called the Henry Jackson Society after the late liberal cold warrior from Washington State also represented Boeing and the State of Israel in the US Senate. Kamm does nothing to dispute the solid arguments of Rassinier or Faurisson on the holohoax but merely calls them names. Kamm incorrectly asserts that Michael Shermer and Richard Evans rebutted the holocaust revisionists but neglects to mention that solid rebuttals of their “rebuttals” are posted on the ihr website. I’m sure just an oversight by Ollie. On the Chomsky book reviewed by Hardesty Kamm forgets (?) to mention that no evidence of an attempted Serb “genocide” was found in Kosovo (quite unlike Bosnia) so that the Clinton-Blair War was based on lies and indeed they turned Kosovo over to the terrorist KLA which HAS ethnically cleansed the Serbs. Ollie forgot to mention that too. Notice also that Kamm didn’t deal with central point of Hardesty’s letter which was the existence of laws that imprison people for “denying” the hoax. They don’t imprison Flat Earthers so you have to wonder about that.
    In sum, Kamm doesn’t debunk a word of Hardesty’s letter on the evil holohoax laws, Chomsky’s book on the NATO war, the findings of the revisionists or Hardesty’s point about Israel’s murderous rampage in Lebanon. Eric, give my best to brother Tony, he needs it !
    David, that you endorse the shit that Kamm spewed out makes me even wonder about your lefty credentials, you seem to be a nonthinking piece of shit.
    Redhorse, you have clients ? You work at a meth clinic ?
    Again, little boys with their ad hominems fail utterly.
    By the way, “your” as is valid grammatically as “you’re.” Oily Ollie can’t get anything right.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 9, 2007 at 3:14 PM

    … that you endorse the shit that Kamm spewed out makes me even wonder about your lefty credentials ...

    Perhaps I should clarify. I did not endorse Mr. Kamm’s historical veracity but did enjoy his characterization of Mr. Hardesty as being deranged and a lunatic. Not that there is anything wrong with being a little crazy. Sorry for the confusion.

    My lefty credentials? I didn’t know I had any. But then I didn’t get my Lefty Decoder Ring either. That pissed me off. I sent in 1000 box tops from my favorite breakfast cereal, Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, got a rapid heartbeat from eating it, all for nothing.

    Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Jan 9, 2007 at 3:45 PM

    You are contradicting yourself here, David. The whole dispute between Hardesty and Kamm was over various historical issues including Kamm’s refusal to denounce so-called thought crime laws. So Kamm’s ad hominem attack on Hardesty was a not particularly clever way of killing the messenger instead of dealing with the unwelcome message. Some of us are only bound by Aristotelian logic so it’s impossible to understand why you’d endorse his partcularly vicious ad hominem if you didn’t agree with his political points ?

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 9, 2007 at 4:03 PM

    So sorry to hear that, David.

    I got my Super Agent Kremlin KGB X-Ray Specs in 6-48 weeks + $9.98 S&H;.

    They didn’t work worth a damn and they were made out of flimsy cardboard and flimsier cellophane.  Not to mention they made me look totally dorky.  I felt so cheated I turned in my Mom to the FBI.

    United States Posted by luminous beauty on Jan 9, 2007 at 4:22 PM

    You are contradicting yourself here, David.

    Not at all. Mr. Kamm derived his characterization of Mr. Hardesty from their discussion. I agree with Mr. Kamm’s characterization but base that on my discussions with Mr. Hardesty (blondemike) here at this forum. Do you see the logic? Even if you don’t, please remember that I defy logic and that contradictions and conundrums don’t bother me in the least.

    Perhaps I should repeat myself and clarify some more;
    I did not endorse Mr. Kamm’s historical veracity, or lack of it, but did enjoy his characterization of Mr. Hardesty as being deranged and a lunatic.

    Lunatic : a person whose actions and manner are marked by extreme eccentricity or recklessness.

    Blondmike has questioned my sanity and remarked on my eccentricity often enough that I feel that it’s only fair that I be allowed to make the same characterization. After all, to an insane person the sane people seem insane. Bah ... enough psychobabble.

    As for the thought crime laws; I would agree with much of what Mr. Hardesty had to say about them. But I have to be careful with what I say as I do live in Canada and, sadly, we do have thought crime laws up here and I have no desire to be frog-marched off to the nearest gulag.

    Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Jan 9, 2007 at 5:30 PM

    Thanks, David, clear as mud.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 9, 2007 at 6:10 PM

    Ya see doncha, David?

    If only you’d gotten that lefty decoder ring, you could make yourself understood to poor Jack.

    United States Posted by luminous beauty on Jan 9, 2007 at 6:30 PM

    David..LB....I’m surprized you havn’t seen the new technology....the DeC.xJF Magnifier...linked to a Sys.Tech. 8560Leftavist...will give maximum lefty- covert operative mode on a 24 hour status , with auto upgrades linked to verbal and / or cornea activated-modems....

    A virtual Leftavist for the rest-of-vist....

    On sale at WalMart.................really.! ! !

    United States Posted by Redhorse on Jan 9, 2007 at 7:43 PM

    Horse, ENGLISH translation, Please !

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:51 AM

    “How can you figure out if you are sane? ... Once you begin to question your own sanity, you get trapped in an ever-tighter vortex of self-fulfilling prophecies, though the process is by no means inevitable. Everyone knows that the insane interpret the world via their own peculiarly consistent logic; how can you tell if your own logic is “peculiar’ or not, given that you have only your own logic to judge itself? I don’t see any answer. I am reminded of Gödel’s second theorem, which implies that the only versions of formal number theory which assert their own consistency are inconsistent.”

    Horse, I posed this synopsis of Hof’’s comments on sanity into the updated 8561Leftavist. Try it on yours. With 61 you no longer require the decoder ring, but must purchase the cornea ID unit from them. Apparently Homeland Security has gotten involved.

    I’d like to answer David’s question about my earlier quote, and share a good laugh about HI-jack doing “research” to discover Kamm received a reply from Bl..Hardesty, when Kamm mentions it in the article. But Hugo’s check is late, and I’m not gonna waste time posting here for nuthin! I will share this though. I suspect many of the comments posted above were sent via a Yerkish accessible terminal.

    United States Posted by Eric Blair on Jan 10, 2007 at 2:39 PM

    No, Kamm received a lengthier response from Hardesty after his last attack on him and he chose not to reveal it because our oily Ollie is a cowardly little swine as two mutual friends of Hardesty’s have told me.  One is very well known and the other lesser known. Eric, don’t worry about ever getting paid because your work is as worthless as you are, smegma breath.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 10, 2007 at 4:11 PM

    Olllie Kamm just removed his butt plug and has reportedly drowned in an ocean of brown showers.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 6:09 PM

    Speaking of incomprehensible technological innovations…

    The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.

    -----Karl Marx

    (Jack, given your taste for scatological humor and identity mysteries [what am I talking about?], you might like entree #3 from this moveable digital feast.)

    United States Posted by luminous beauty on Jan 11, 2007 at 7:22 PM

    That was great ! Thanks, LB.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 11, 2007 at 7:36 PM

    as two mutual friends of Hardesty’s have told me.

    Jack, so you and Mr. Hardesty (aka blondemike) have mutual friends? Are you and Mr. Hardesty friends too? Tell us more about the lengthier response from Hardesty please.

    (Jack, given your taste for scatological humor and identity mysteries ...

    Luminous Beauty, I too noticed that Jack’s humour relies heavily on scatological themes. Have you seen A View on Pelosi from a World Away thread lately. Major found some more interesting research on our friend Mr. Hardesty.

    Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Jan 11, 2007 at 9:05 PM

    David,

    Yeah, I saw that.  Did you read the McSweeney’s bit?

    Am I being just a little too subtle, or did a giant whooshing sound just go by?

    United States Posted by luminous beauty on Jan 11, 2007 at 9:49 PM

    Yeah. Yeah. Whoosh or subtle!? Who knows? Kant would be proud?

    Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Jan 11, 2007 at 10:52 PM

    Chomsky is one of them. And another lesser known academic is the other and she specifically passed on the email that oily Ollie didn’t publish wherein Hardesty rebuts Ollie’s smears against himself, Chomsky, Faurisson and others.
    I already responded to you regarding the “Major” asshole on the other thread.

    United States Posted by hawaii jack on Jan 12, 2007 at 12:02 PM

    Kamm never published my full letter or my last letter at all. He’s a nobody even in the shabby ranks of neocondom and hysterical Israel First UK Jewry.

    United States Posted by blondemike on Jan 16, 2007 at 6:53 PM

    Thanks for the details, Mike (and Jack).

    The better I know you the better I like you. Both.

    Canada Posted by David in Canuckistan on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:39 PM
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